Hour 4: Rodgers on McAfee

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Rodgers on McAfee

Release Date: January 17, 2025

In this engaging episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don Hahn, Alan Rosenberg, and guest speaker delve deep into the ongoing saga surrounding quarterback Aaron Rodgers and his uncertain future with the New York Jets. The conversation navigates through Rodgers' exit interviews, potential coaching hires, and broader implications for the Jets' strategy moving forward. Additionally, the hosts touch upon related topics in sports, including insights into hockey and brief discussions on other sports teams.

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Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets Situation

The primary focus of the episode centers on Aaron Rodgers and his purported relationship with the New York Jets. The guest speaker initiates the discussion by questioning the saturation of Rodgers' involvement with the Jets, to which Alan Rosenberg responds, "I think we've... there's not much meat on the bone anymore" (00:43).

Exit Interviews and Organizational Dynamics

Rodgers recently appeared on Pat McAfee's show, where he detailed his exit interviews with the Jets' organization. According to the guest speaker, Rodgers met with key figures including Woody Johnson, Christopher Johnson, Jaime, and Coach Ulbrich. Rodgers remarked:

"Met with Woody, met with Christopher and Jaime and Coach Ulbrich and you know, everybody there had a lot of nice conversations, gave some constructive things... There’s always ways to improve." (01:54)

This indicates a comprehensive review process involving both coaching staff and the front office. The hosts interpret Rodgers' comments to suggest that the ultimate decision rests with the new general manager and head coach, particularly regarding Rodgers' future with the team.

Potential Quarterback Replacements

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Rodgers' potential departure and the Jets' options for replacing him. The guest speaker names possible candidates such as Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Justin Fields, and Russell Wilson. Alan highlights the financial implications:

"He's going to have to pay north of $40 million a year..." (02:15)

They debate the feasibility of signing high-caliber quarterbacks given the associated costs and the current market scarcity of elite QBs. The guest argues, "If you decide to draft the quarterback, then you have a Hall of Fame quarterback... Then if Rodgers can't go for that fourth year..." (17:26), suggesting that retaining Rodgers could be strategic for both short-term performance and long-term planning.

Coaching Hire Speculations

With the Jets in need of a new head coach and general manager, the conversation shifts to potential candidates. The guest speaker expresses skepticism about popular choices, mentioning:

"I don't think it's that. I think it's Pittsburgh. He and Mike Tomlin have always been simpatico." (07:10)

They consider Mike Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers as a viable option due to his longstanding rapport with Rodgers and his respected coaching acumen. Additionally, the discussion touches upon the challenges the Jets face in attracting top coaching talent given their current quarterback situation.

Alan Rosenberg adds perspective on the difficulty of the Jets' position:

"If you're being interviewed to coach the Jets, Aaron Rodgers is how far down the list of questions? Because I'm probably asking it first." (05:02)

This underscores the significant influence Rodgers' future holds over the Jets' overall strategy and attractiveness of the coaching position.

Callers and Audience Interaction

Throughout the episode, listeners call in to share their views and seek advice. Notable interactions include:

• Ira from Staten Island (15:26) expresses support for the hosts and shares thoughts on potential quarterback strategies, emphasizing the importance of balancing Rodgers' tenure with drafting new talent.

• Tommy from Connecticut (26:05) transitions the conversation to hockey, discussing the Boston Bruins and Salt Lake City Rangers' performance, demonstrating the podcast's blend of different sports topics.

Additional Discussions

While the episode primarily focuses on football and the Jets' quarterback conundrum, the hosts briefly venture into other sports:

• Hockey Insights: The conversation touches on upcoming Rangers games, team performances, and playoff implications, highlighting the interconnectedness of various sports within the New York sports landscape.

• NBA’s New York Knicks: A listener named Marvin (32:48) brings up the Knicks' bench improvement strategies, prompting a discussion on the challenges of mid-season trades and the team's current roster needs.

Notable Quotes

• Alan Rosenberg on Rodgers' influence:

  "You know, you're only going to have a Hall of Fame quarterback. And then if Rodgers can't go for that fourth year, well, then Dart. Maybe Dart takes over." (17:26)

• Guest Speaker on Jets' coaching options:

  "They've interviewed every head coaching candidate you can think of, except, of course, Bill Belichick and Mike McCarthy." (04:43)

• Alan Rosenberg on team dynamics without Rodgers:

  "How attractive is this job if you got to start over at quarterback." (04:25)

Concluding Thoughts

The episode wraps up with the hosts reflecting on the complex dynamics surrounding Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets. They emphasize the critical nature of the upcoming decisions for the team's future and the broader implications for their standing in the NFL. Listeners are left with a multifaceted view of the challenges the Jets face, particularly in balancing legacy talent with the need for strategic organizational changes.

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Key Takeaways:

• Aaron Rodgers' Future: Central to the Jets' strategy, with his potential departure posing significant challenges in quarterback replacement and overall team competitiveness.

• Coaching Hires: The Jets face difficulties in attracting top-tier coaching talent amidst uncertainties surrounding their quarterback situation.

• Financial Constraints: High costs associated with signing elite quarterbacks limit the Jets' options, necessitating a careful balance between retaining veterans and investing in new talent.

• Broader Sports Insights: The podcast also provides valuable perspectives on other sports, particularly hockey and basketball, showcasing the hosts' versatility and deep knowledge across multiple sports domains.

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Note: This summary omits advertisements, casual off-topic conversations, and non-content sections to focus solely on the substantive discussions relevant to listeners interested in New York sports, particularly the Jets' quarterback situation.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Guest Speaker]

All right, I've been teasing this throughout the whole show, and I know a lot of people, like, kind of. Are you. Is the Aaron Rodgers stuff. Is it oversaturated at this point, Don?

[Alan Rosenberg]

A little less so. But, yeah, I think we've. There's not much meat on the bone anymore.

[Guest Speaker]

We haven't jumped the shark yet.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Have we closed Roger quite yet?

[Guest Speaker]

Well, because it's not. Although a lot of people think it's a fait accompli, that he's not gonna be back with the Jets. It's not officially that, no.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But you could also make some evidence, like, what was that? You know better than me on the social media the other day. What was it, Anthony, that 4G? It was something that everybody, like, sent out, like a picture loading 4K. Yeah, the jets one was Aaron Rodgers. But people are telling me that Aaron Rodgers is shown in, like, the package for season tickets.

[Guest Speaker]

I was just going to tell you. Have you seen the commercials for season tickets?

[Alan Rosenberg]

So. So I. You can't tell me they don't have anybody else. I mean, Wilson's under contract. You certainly can use a bunch of other players on the team. You don't have to use Aaron. So I. I wonder, do they just know that if he decides not to retire, that he'll be back, that he's coming, that they want him back?

[Guest Speaker]

I don't think he's retiring.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So then you come back.

[Guest Speaker]

He doesn't sound like he wants to retire. He sounds like he wants to play for the Jets.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Of the quarterbacks that are available.

[Guest Speaker]

Thank you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Who can you tell me is clearly better than Aaron Rodgers, even if you hate Aaron?

[Guest Speaker]

Of the real available. So we're real available. So we're talking about Sam Darnold, right? Jameis Winston. We're talking about potentially Justin Fields and Russell Wilson, right? They're potentially both those guys are going to be available like, you know, this is what we're doing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. And Cousins maybe is Sam Darnold maybe, you know, came off much, much better season. He's younger. I get it. But you're gonna have to pay north of $40 million a year.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh yeah. For.

[Alan Rosenberg]

For that. So I think Rogers is gonna.

[Guest Speaker]

One more year of rogers in the 40s and not just age but in how much you'd pay him is still something. But. So he's on Pat McAfee as he always is. And this was an interesting interview, I thought because he talked about his exit interview which every player has when the season's over, you have your exit interview. You meet with the coaching staff, you know, they ask you questions, you ask them questions. It took about where to go from here. He also met with ownership and the high up front office. So that includes not just Woody Johnson, but Christopher Johnson. So here's what he talked about in his exit interview with the jets and how he felt.

[Aaron Rodgers]

Met with Woody, met with Christopher and Jaime and Coach Ulbrich and you know, everybody there had a lot of nice conversations, gave some constructive things. There's so much that goes into the whole thing. There's. There's the food bar, there's the locker room, there's travel, there's hotel stuff. There's different. You know, you just give in little constructive things here and there that maybe they take to heart, maybe they don't. But I think there's always ways to improve. And I was impressed to see that the meeting with Christopher and Jaime was a lot about that. The meeting about Woody was. Was more about team future, different things. But I think everybody understands it's going to come down to a GM and a coach and myself and whether we all want to do a dance together or it's not in the cards.

[Guest Speaker]

Now what I read out of that is him saying that Woody told them it's what the new GM and coach want.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

If they want you, then that's on them. Woody is trying to say this is not my decision. I'm not saying it's over. Even though everybody outside the organization is getting whispers that Rogers is gone and it's because Woody doesn't want him back. He wants to move on from the Aaron Rodgers business.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think both could be true. I think Woody would like to move on. But Woody also realizes you're limiting your choices at general manager and head coach if Aaron Rodgers isn't here. Like, how attractive is this job if you got to start over at quarterback.

[Guest Speaker]

If you have nothing at quarterback.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So Aaron Rodgers, you decide he's gone. So how attractive is the job? A lot of talented players, but now you're looking for a quarterback.

[Guest Speaker]

It's not right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So they. Woody has to know that, like when he's sitting down with all of these coaches, any of the coaches saying, boy, this job would really be a lot more. Aaron Rodgers has gone.

[Guest Speaker]

They've interviewed every head coaching candidate you can think of, except, of course, Bill Belichick and Mike McCarthy. More on that later. So they've interviewed a ton of coaches. You don. If you're being interviewed. If you. You come in for an interview to coach the Jets, Aaron Rodgers is how far down the list of questions? Because I'm probably asking it first.

[Alan Rosenberg]

First. It's first rush.

[Guest Speaker]

I'd want to know right away, what are we going to do with quarterback? What's the plan of quarterback? Well, we don't have a gm, so we don't know. Well, what do you want to do?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Do you want Rodgers to be here? Can you work with Aaron Rodgers?

[Guest Speaker]

Yes. Can I talk to him and see if he'll do it my way?

[Alan Rosenberg]

And Rodgers knows that. So when he says, you know, when he says you'll be up to the coach in the jump, he has to figure that his odds are pretty good that whoever they hire is going to want him back, especially from the coach's perspective. You're Aaron Glenn, right? You want the jets job. You've been on record. You want the jets job. You're a former. But do you really want your first job in the NFL in a highly scrutinized market like New York, a team that hasn't gone to the playoffs since 2010, and the first thing you have to do, you go find a quarterback.

[Guest Speaker]

No.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You know, and probably win three games. Is that the way you want to start things?

[Guest Speaker]

What destroyed Robert Sala, what destroyed him not having a quarterback?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Because Robert Sala won seven games with no quarterback. That's why this year was so disturbing and that's why it was so ridiculous. For Woody to fire Robert Sala is because. Not that Salah is a great coach, but Sala was a stable figure and.

[Guest Speaker]

His defense was elite.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And what you did was you got rid of. I think Mike Vaccaro had the best line. We're repeating and it's deserving. They went from poorly coached to not coached at all. Right now you bring in Albert, God bless him, but he wasn't ready for the head coaching job. And now you hurt your defense because you took the best part of the defense, their coordinator, and took his attention away from that. It was a disaster. What do you got? Got fat hands on the thing and screwed it all up. Robert Sala would've won two, three more games. They would have been playing relevant games in December. Instead, their season was over. After the loss to New England, after the loss to Indianapolis Classic overs, all those games that they couldn't get a stop. And listen, I'm no Aaron Rodgers fan. I think that he is part of the reason why they only won five games. You know, the way they lost against Minnesota, couldn't score a point against Denver, all that. But you know what really killed him when he was playing some of his best football? Their defense couldn't stop anybody.

[Guest Speaker]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And you look at those stats and you say, you know what? Those were stats that we thought in the beginning of the season would be more than enough for this to be a playoff team with the talent that they had, but they were not coached. So. I think Rogers is coming back.

[Guest Speaker]

You think he's coming back? Yes, I do, too. Now. I also think he's playing regardless.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

I have a team that I think that is a. I don't even know if I call it a sleeper. I think, to me, it's the one that I would say is a likely and very intriguing landing spot. And while everybody is looking at the 49ers, because that's home, Northern California, it's a coach with a system he's very familiar with. I don't think it's that. I think it's Pittsburgh. He and Mike Tomlin have always been simpatico. They have always had a respect for each other and an intellectual level. We remember that moment famously, of course, when Tomlin knew what he was, what Rogers was trying to pull and wouldn't let him pull it. And they both give them the head nod to each other, that respectful moment, that was really cool. These are two guys that, by the way, it's still amazing that the media in Pittsburgh is trying to get rid of Mike Tomlin. It's incredible. These are two guys that have never been appreciated for their genius because they're both very difficult to deal with. Right. Because they don't want to hear it from you. You know, and sometimes you have to acknowledge that some people are above you. They are smarter than you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Even though in the media, we hate that, but it is true. So these two guys put them together and it would be a very interesting combination to see. They need a quarterback. It's not going to Be Russell Wilson. He's proven that he's not the guy. We all know it's not going to be Justin Fields. They don't have a quarterback. That would be an ideal place. They have a roster. It's a very good one. It's a very good one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, you say very good. I don't know because that's why my defense of Mike Tomlin is. And granted the quarterback was part of it.

[Guest Speaker]

They were on the verge of winning.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The division, but then they lost four straight regular season games. Well, because I just don't think that they were. I think Russell Wilson came back down to earth, but I don't.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, you can say it, quarterback, but it was bad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But going into the season like Cincinnati wet the bed.

[Guest Speaker]

Right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

But we going into the season looking at that town, you're like, they're not Baltimore, they're not Cincinnati.

[Guest Speaker]

No. And somehow they won. And they always do with.

[Alan Rosenberg]

They always do. And that's why they want them out, because they always win. But yet they don't win the Super Bowl. It's a lot like what's going on with the Yankees and Aaron.

[Guest Speaker]

And here's why they don't always win, because they don't have a quarterback. They haven't in years. Roethlisberger got all the other. That fugazi, what was that 11 and oh start that year. We knew they weren't that, but they still somehow were 11 and oh, but Roethlisberger, the wheels fell off him and since then they have not been able to replace him, which is a story that Giants fans can certainly relate to. I think it's a perfect short term kind of thing there for them and see what it does.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Now what about, what about San Francisco?

[Guest Speaker]

I just don't see it. I don't see it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Again, Purdy didn't have that great of.

[Guest Speaker]

A season and they don't want to.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Pay him, but they don't want to pay him. So do you bring in, you know, Rogers gets to come home.

[Guest Speaker]

There's still a ton of who's given Purdy $55 million? Nobody.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

He'll end up staying. I'm telling you, somebody at some point in the NFL has got to reach a point where they look at a quarterback and they say, I know what the market says. But it's the same thing as Pete Alonso and the Mets. This is what you're worth to us. If you go into the free market, who has that much cap space to give you that 50 million, 55 million, whatever it is, who's Got it. And if they do, they probably suck. And you don't want to go there.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right. But the problem is is there's so few good quarterbacks in the league and when somebody who actually played in a Super bowl becomes available, like somebody will overpay for Sam Darnold because they'll look at it and go, desperation. Yeah. He won 14 games and it might be the Giants. Still young.

[Guest Speaker]

Still might be the Giants.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So yeah. And Everybody looks at $40 million, like, wow, that's a lot of money. It's not really a lot of money. Daniel Jones got $40 million. Right. So that position, they'll find some money for it. But I do think when you're looking for all of these coaches and all these general managers that they've interviewed, how attractive is this Jet job? I Understand it's only one of 32, but if you are a coach with options, how would the jets stand? You know, you got a fat hands owner in Woody and no quarterback. How attractive is that job?

[Guest Speaker]

It's attractive to a guy who is a defensive minded coach or a guy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That knows that if he says no to this, he may not get another chance.

[Guest Speaker]

And you don't want that. I don't want that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And that's not what you want.

[Guest Speaker]

And Dan Graziano had his, his predictions earlier in the week. You didn't like any of that, did you? Because Arthur Smith, could you imagine? But he chose.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I want to be on the air when that happens.

[Guest Speaker]

That's like Adam Gates again.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We'll save lives. There'll be people calling from their cell phone at the George Washington Bridge. We're going to save lives that day.

[Guest Speaker]

You think so?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

That bad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Who's going to like it? Well, who would call it. This is an inspired hire.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, no, no one would.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And Dan Grassa brought up the point. Love Graziano. He's like, well, they missed out on Gase in 2016. They weren't looking for a coach in 2016. Bulls just came off a 10 win season.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, well, it's. Graziano to me was in the process of elimination with the candidates and he had Flores going somewhere else and he had. Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So he ran out of. He ran out of shit.

[Guest Speaker]

Somebody had to coach here and they wouldn't choose Rex Ryan because no one in their right mind believes Rex is getting that job.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm just telling you jets, not that you pay attention to me anymore. It's been a long time since I worked there. But if you hire him, don't do it on a Friday night because all the steam will. All the bloom will be off the roads by Monday. Please do it at like 5 o'clock on a Tuesday.

[Guest Speaker]

Need that on a Tuesday, please. Five on a Tuesday is a good, good time for Monday.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Actually, you know what? At three. Because we'll do the whole four hours. Please don't bury it. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't do it tomorrow at 7:05 when we're not on till the following Tuesday because we got the nick.

[Guest Speaker]

What would. What would draw the bigger response? Settling for an Arthur Smith who really was completely over his head as a head coach. He's a great offensive mind. Over his head as a head coach, not a CEO. You saw it in Atlanta. Would it be hiring him as well? It's sort of like this was the last best thing left because I think if they want to get the guy they want, they're gonna have to overpay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Mm.

[Guest Speaker]

You're gonna have to grossly overpay somebody. So that's something that he'll have to be willing to do if he doesn't want to do it. So if so, tell me. I'm going to give you two names. Arthur Smith, which you feel like there'll be people, as you said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Ready to just jump off bridges here in New York. Or Rex Ryan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, no, the fans will love Rex.

[Guest Speaker]

You think so?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

I have not heard that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No.

[Guest Speaker]

No. I have not heard that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Greenie went nuts.

[Guest Speaker]

He works with. I mean.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, no, Green. He's not a fraud. Fandom is way more important in his career.

[Guest Speaker]

I agree. But I also think for Greeny, that is a somebody like you. You look. Rex is easy. Gotta love you like him. You'd love to see. But I. I don't know if I want to by.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Compared to Arthur Smith.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Would that be better? There are fans who don't understand it. Why would you do this? And no one believes it's going to happen. This whole feeling of courtesy interview.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, that's.

[Guest Speaker]

That's sad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We talked about this yesterday. You. The jets are doing their due diligence, but this is going too far. I mean, the list is. You're doing favors for agents. Now you're doing.

[Guest Speaker]

They're interviewing people I've never heard of.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. You're telling me there's no chance that. Listen, I got the all brick. Listen, you gotta do it was on the staff. You gotta do it.

[Guest Speaker]

You gotta do that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But some of these people. Come on. You're not hiring these people who are These people. But that's what happens too. And also you get into the Rooney rule thing, which gets ridiculous too. Like, I understand the Rooney Rule, but, you know, you're interviewing people that you know. Do you think that Byron Leftwich was a legitimate candidate in New England? They couldn't announce Vrabel. They had to interview minority candidates. They ended interviewing two. One was Byron Lefwich. The other one escapes me at the moment. I was like, that's not what the Rooney. That's not the spirit of the Rooney Rule.

[Guest Speaker]

Of course it's not. But that's how you do it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But. So there's a lot. You heard. You saw articles that Kafka for the Giants is getting interviews because his mom's from Puerto Rico.

[Guest Speaker]

I can't believe that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So that checked the box for the Rooney Rule. Like, no offense to Kafka, but are you serious? Your team. Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

That's why they interviewed him in Chicago.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, Chicago might be a little different just because of the fact that there's a relationship with the gm, because they work together in Kansas City, which is still a favor. But still if. But. But it checks two boxes, right? I get to do a favor for my buddy that I used to work with and I get the Rooney Rule.

[Guest Speaker]

My goodness.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Is that really what Rudy was thinking about when they came up with the answer?

[Guest Speaker]

It's not. Of course it's not. Come on, let's see what Ira in Staten island thinks of this. Ira.

[Caller]

Hey, Alan. How are you? My sincere condolences. You, your family.

[Guest Speaker]

Thank you.

[Caller]

I know it's got to be difficult times. Just hang in there.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Are you excited about the possibility of Mike Loxley being your new head?

[Caller]

Oh, yeah. But you know what? You got to give Tannerbaum credit. He's earning his money, he's digging up every course possible. So Woody can't complain.

[Guest Speaker]

That he is. Everybody gets an interview now. No stone unturned. This is what you do. The due diligence. There you go.

[Caller]

But you know what? I still think it's going to end up being Aaron Glenn. And listen, you know how I feel about the Roger situation. I just don't know how you give a first year GM and a first year head coach the baggage. Not. Not the ability, but the baggage that carries with Aaron Rodgers. And even if they do want him, and let's say they have a successful season, then what do you do the following year? You're going to bring them back for a fourth year at 43 years old. So to me, it's a new regime. It's A wasted year with Aaron Rodgers.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But not if it's a winning season.

[Guest Speaker]

Well, and who are you? Who are you getting?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's the thing. Who do you wanted your quarterback then.

[Guest Speaker]

It'S easy in January to say Tyrod Taylor or something like that. And I'm telling you, by November, you'll be regretting it.

[Caller]

No, this is what I want. I want Justin Fields, I want Taylor, and I wanted. I got to give Rick credit. I want to draft Jackson Dart. I think Jackson Dart has untapped abilities. And you get the right offense. Yep. The guy from Ole Miss.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm with Ira. Think about this. Then you get the kid from old biztart. You keep Aaron Rodgers for a year. Rogers has shown like he obviously helped out Love. We found that out later on. And now you have a Hall of Fame quarterback. And then if Rogers can't go for that fourth year, well, then Dart. Maybe Dart takes over. That's another reason to keep Aaron Rodgers. Right. If you decide to draft the quarterback.

[Caller]

Yeah, that. I can live with that. That. Then. Then it would make sense to me. I'm telling you, this kid Dot. You watch a man. You put a Buffalo Bills uniform on him, and he looks like a young Josh Allen. He's got the arm. He's got the. Oh, yes, he's got the arm, the mobility. And. Don, I'll tell you, you're a Giant fan. I'm giving you a prediction right now. The Giant to draft him. Dart at number four.

[Guest Speaker]

At four.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, they got the third pick. No, they won't take him at four. What? They got to trade down to four.

[Guest Speaker]

He's being projected as, like, second, third round.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, wait.

[Guest Speaker]

You.

[Caller]

You wait till the combine comes in.

[Guest Speaker]

You think he's gonna skyrocket?

[Caller]

I think he's gonna skyrocket. And I think he. I think he's a top 10 pick.

[Guest Speaker]

Wow.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, let's listen. That happened to Eli.

[Guest Speaker]

I'll know about him.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That happened with Baker Mayfield. Right. The combine. He shot right up to number one, Daniel Jones. Same thing. Went up to six, although everybody was kind of dubious when he went at six. Hey, that's a different story. If. If. If Dart moves up to, say, the top half of the first round, would the Giants take him at 3 or would they trade down? Hey, here's what I would say. If I'm Shane and I love him and Eli's telling me, take him. He broke his records, then what does it matter what the people think? Take them. You don't take any chances.

[Guest Speaker]

Well, you don't Want someone else to be in on it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right, right. But the idea is, is that if you do your due diligence and it looks like you might be the only one. That's the problem I had with Gettleman, with Jones, all right, you were in full bloom, love. Take him. But you could have traded down because it didn't seem like anybody else was interested. So you could have gotten some equity back. Now you do take a chance that people are lying and all that, but you know, I don't think Dart's going to go.

[Guest Speaker]

But you also know who's not taking a quarterback. So if you're watching the board and you know, okay, well they don't need a corba. They don't need a corba. And then you worry about somebody jumping over you, but you do. All right? So there's a name to keep an eye on. But it is.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And it's funny how the, it's amazing how these games don't mean anything. All of a sudden they'll take, they're taking the Wonderlic test, they're, they're having their pro days, they the combine and all of a sudden guys that we weren't even talking about.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Went from a Sanders and Ward to all of a sudden it might be.

[Guest Speaker]

Rejected third round suddenly are going to be top 10 out of the blue. And Quinn, yours by the way, now is going to be as well. So we'll see where he ends up. And then of course the Manning era begins at Texas.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Guest Speaker]

And if you're the Giants, do you punt just to wait one more year for another Manning, it's tough to do. We shall see. Don. We have more calls to get to, more conversations. Of course. Knicks, jets, little Giants, of course. Pete Alonso. Are his days over with the Mets? Some reports suggest they are. So lots more to get to with you but there is some Samwell to discuss.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Guest Speaker]

This one is started getting grimy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like it a lot.

[Guest Speaker]

This is you, huh? This is.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like this.

[Guest Speaker]

Like I picture you. Let me, let me see if I can like set the scene. This is, this is playing on a, on a transistor. You're you. You got, let's see, you got a white T shirt on. It's got grease on it. You got jeans on. You got a Chevelle up on blocks, maybe up on like ramps. You got the hood up. I got a. I got an oil pan down on the ground. And you're just changing oil. It's a Saturday. Just changing the oil.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, that's not, that's not me. I'm not a car guy. I do love cars.

[Guest Speaker]

You never changed the oil.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Never changed the oil. I think I was my dad.

[Guest Speaker]

This is the first thing my dad taught me. I was 12 years old, I could change the tire.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That was, man, that was something. My dad's like, you gotta know how.

[Guest Speaker]

To change the oil. That's an essential skill, right? But, but changing the oil every 3,000 miles was something like my dad, at 12 years old, I was under the car changing the oil. And his is my mother's car. Every time we do, he's like, oh, we got, we'd go to eight auto store. We'd get like, you'd get the case of oil. You get the, the oil filter. We get a new air filter as well. You know, I top out the Fluids, the whole thing. And I'd spend. This is what I did. I loved it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like it.

[Guest Speaker]

Playing some music, just changing oil.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I do like that was you.

[Guest Speaker]

I thought that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That, that felt. No, I'm not.

[Guest Speaker]

I missed the mark.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Never messed with. With cars.

[Guest Speaker]

The mark, man.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I like. Like, I just playing some music, putting, you know, taking the Christmas decorations down last weekend. I enjoy that.

[Guest Speaker]

All right, there's that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like to do things myself.

[Guest Speaker]

So house like. House like. All right. You're cutting the grass. You got headphones in.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

So you're playing this.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't cut the grass. We've got the landscaper for that.

[Guest Speaker]

Damn, man.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Only because I'm just not around. You don't want it to get crazy. But I.

[Guest Speaker]

But Michael used to kill me. What are you doing in the snow?

[Alan Rosenberg]

My shovel.

[Guest Speaker]

Shovel the snow?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, but I don't listen. I don't have headphones. I like being in my own mind, just bouncing some ideas.

[Guest Speaker]

We're very different.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I do shovel.

[Guest Speaker]

I cut to. Not only do we. Because we have a hard time at landscapers, we have a property that's a little weird and it ends up getting just carved up because it's just hilly. But we have a circle in our neighborhood. Like, it's not a cul de sac because it's an island in the middle. It's a circle with trees and stuff. We had it all. The town actually came in and cleaned it up. So we put grass down. Like the neighbors. We all chipped in. We got, you know, we did this whole thing and I, I. It's like my favorite thing to do. I cut the grass in the circle. I tidied up. I got the backpack blower out. I'm cleaning.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I would like to do that.

[Guest Speaker]

It's my favorite thing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I would like.

[Guest Speaker]

I would like neighborhood. Our little circle looks. It's my favorite thing because everything looks nice and neat and clean, and I had a hand in it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I feel like I just don't have. I wish I had the time because I would love to do it, honestly.

[Guest Speaker]

It's a Saturday morning in the summer. Like, it's spring and summer. What are you doing?

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I've got two kids. One.

[Guest Speaker]

I got four. Saturday.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, I get it. But you know what you don't have a little hope. I have a nanny au pair or something like that. Oh, good for you. I don't even know what that is. You know, Jalen's got a dance class, and I got a Marco. Marco's already got, like a baseball Thing going today.

[Guest Speaker]

Today.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Wow.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Little winter in the gym. Obviously.

[Guest Speaker]

Love it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But no. So they're all getting all over there. There's a lot to do. But I wish I can get to the point now. Is it you. You got a riding mower or no good.

[Guest Speaker]

No, I got. I got. Well, I will say this though. I do feel a little cheesy. My father's rolling over in his grave. I did get the battery powered ones. The big pack battery though. The. The Ryobi.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Guest Speaker]

Law. More. It's powerful by the way. It's great. But I do. So I don't have the gas anymore. But I do have the gas powered backpack and I did. And I have. I got the weed whacker. I've got the edger. All these different. I love it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I can't wait for the spring. It's.

[Guest Speaker]

It's. To me, it's the best time of year. Everything's growing, everything's blooming.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, it's so nice.

[Guest Speaker]

So looking forward to that someday. Anyways, I thought we would connect on that and we clearly don't, so.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I hear you.

[Guest Speaker]

That hurt a little. A little down right now. Tommy in Connecticut. Let's talk some hockey. So we feel better. Hey, Tommy.

[Tommy]

What's up, Alan? What's up, Donnie? How are we doing, boys?

[Alan Rosenberg]

How are you?

[Tommy]

All good. All good out. Just want to send prayers to your.

[Guest Speaker]

Family you and greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

[Tommy]

Tommy, what's going on? I know, I know. Hockey east is a beast. What's going on with you and H and the Cats?

[Guest Speaker]

Well, we got this a big weekend. BU weekend. Big games this weekend. Still nationally ranked the 16th, so. But they got to make some hay now in Hockey East. They haven't played a lot of league games yet, but it's starting now. Here comes. This is the. This is the toughest part of the season right now. So we'll see if they can hang in and try to get into the tournament.

[Tommy]

Dude, college hockey is awesome.

[Guest Speaker]

It's the best.

[Tommy]

So what do you guys think? I know you're both big hockey guys. This Rangers west coast swing, do they need to get at least one point tonight?

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Guest Speaker]

One point.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, no. Two. Two. Utah's lousy. They just. They can't win at home. They've won twice in their last 10 games. No. This would be ugly, by the way, if they don't get two points.

[Guest Speaker]

Let me. Let me share this, Don, because we did discuss this earlier about. You said they're bad at home and I Said it'd be interesting to see. First time the Rangers are playing at Salt Lake City. Will there be a New York contingent showing up in this building? Because the tickets are very cheap. Friend of mine, Barry Haltman, he said this to me. He said, to answer your question, my brother lives in Utah now. A big Ranger fan. Going to the game. He said he went to the Islanders Utah game last week. Said there was a lot of Islander fans in the seats. So, you know, Ranger fans are more plentiful. So they expect it to be a bipartisan crowd tonight in Salt Lake City. Something to listen for.

[Tommy]

And if I can say just one more thing. So I went to a Jazz game because that's the arena they play in.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Tommy]

I have never seen a more clean arena in my entire life. It's unbelievable.

[Guest Speaker]

It was.

[Tommy]

It was immaculate.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And I'm so happy that they finally found the home there. And it's going to work in Utah, there's no question. But it's still a very young team. But, hey, you know, they've got Cooley, who's good. Keller is very good. They beat the Rangers at the Garden in overtime in the Rangers home opener this year, so be careful.

[Guest Speaker]

That was a good game. Utah got off to a good six, five.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, they got up to a great start. Now it's kind of settled down. But. But. No, no, no, listen. You take whatever you can get. When you're five points out of a playoff spot, you got to come back with five of a possible six. Especially when you had the lead late against Colorado. You're salivating on sweeping the road trip. Didn't get that point. No, no, no, no. You got to win tonight.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I completely.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Any way, shape or form. Even if it's ugly, even if you're disgusted with yourself when it's over, like the Knicks last night. Yeah, but you just.

[Guest Speaker]

I'll take an ugly one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But you need the points, man, because they're starting to get better. But this is a game you have to have, because I tell you, when you looked at the schedule, even a couple of weeks ago, he said, we come back from the trip, we got Columbus at home, and we got Montreal and Montreal. Oh, those are four points. Columbus has won five in a row. Right. That is an amazing story. If the Columbus Blue Jackets. I know a lot of people don't care. Columbus Blue Jackets.

[Guest Speaker]

No, you shouldn't.

[Alan Rosenberg]

If the Columbus Blue Jackets make the playoffs this year. What a story after what happened to Johnny Goudreau.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. How it would be a dry eye.

[Alan Rosenberg]

In the House it would be. Now, they got a lot of work to do.

[Guest Speaker]

Right. But.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And in Montreal's playing out of their minds, too. So now it's not an easy four points over the weekend, the way you thought maybe a few weeks ago. Got to get two.

[Guest Speaker]

I'm gonna give you the next six. All right? You got blue jackets right after this. Canadians, like you said in Montreal.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Guest Speaker]

Then you're home for a bit.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Ottawa. Right.

[Guest Speaker]

Ottawa, Flyers, Colorado, Hurricanes. And then you go up to Boston to start February, play the Bruins.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That is a. That's a hefty.

[Guest Speaker]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's a hefty schedule. Carolina's not playing great right now, but it's still Carolina. Team that's ahead of you in the standings.

[Guest Speaker]

A heavy team, too. They wear you out.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Ottawa's a pain in the neck, too, the way they're playing.

[Guest Speaker]

Well, good goaltending.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. All of a sudden, this kid they called up. What is it? I mispronounced his name. He has started seven games in the NHL. It's two shutouts. So listen, the Rangers, and one of.

[Guest Speaker]

Them was at the island last year.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, the Rangers really can't afford to say, oh, we could beat that team, but they are playing better. But tonight is one of those nights. Got to get to.

[Guest Speaker]

Got to get two. And Don will be on the call, the pre and post. Right. We started 8:30, right. Pre tonight, 8:30, ESPN. So stay tuned, certainly, for that. Marvin in the car. What's up, Marvin?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Marvin.

[Guest Speaker]

Marvin.

[Marvin]

What's going on, fellas? How y'all doing?

[Guest Speaker]

Good.

[Marvin]

Yeah. I just wanted to say give you my deepest condolences, Alan.

[Guest Speaker]

Thank you, Marvin.

[Marvin]

And also wanted to say congratulations to Peter on the baby. And lastly, Don, I go, I work at A Urology Group, Pennsylvania. And the doctor there, Dr. Baum, he heard me listening to the radio and he's like, is that Don? And I'm like, yeah, you know Don. Like, yeah, he works. He comes here for his. For the urology test. And I'm just like, really?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep. Every year. I love Dr. Baum. Big, big devil fan, Dr. Bound, big giant fan, too.

[Guest Speaker]

Really?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Here's the story, guys. I might have told. I one time in 2002, had three kidney stones at once. Oh, all right. One was able to pass on its own. The other one I had to laser. They lasered. And the other one they had to go get. And I will tell you, they went and got it and didn't open me up. So leave it to your imagination. They had to put me under for it.

[Guest Speaker]

I would rather not imagine that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And I had to have a stint. It was a. It was a mess. But then I started talking to Dr. Baum. He. I've had him on the air. He's a. He's a great guy. I look forward. That's where I get my psa. You got to take care of yourself.

[Guest Speaker]

I agree with that. Yes.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And your prostate exam and all that. So if you see him again, Marvin, tell him I said hi and I'm looking forward to seeing him. I believe my appointments in June.

[Marvin]

All right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

We were just looking it up and I was like, when was the last time he was here? So I looked it up and it was June 24th. And he's like, yeah, you should have seen him. I'm like, I know. If I seen Don, you know, you're.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Not looking at my file.

[Guest Speaker]

He looked it up. Did you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You're looking at my file.

[Guest Speaker]

He looked it up. You looked the X rays.

[Marvin]

At the encounter like the last time you were here.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I got nothing to hide. Go check it out. You know what? Nothing wrong with the second opinion.

[Marvin]

The point I wanted to get to, the point I wanted to get to was for Alan. I heard you earlier. You're saying the Knicks can't improve the bench mid season.

[Guest Speaker]

I mean, they're going to try, but I think it's very difficult to do when people are talking about the types of trades people want to see. It's incredibly difficult to do in season.

[Marvin]

Sure. So with that being said, who were you eyeing during the offseason? I know we're not there yet. You know, I like the way the Knicks are playing now, but who do you think we should go for in the offseason to solidify the bench?

[Guest Speaker]

It's a great question. I wish I could answer it. I think I. I need to know what Mitchell Robinson looks like when he does return. He's supposed to practice this season, this month, and if he does get cleared for practice, you should see him in some games and they can get a better feel. Can he finish the season, be effective, be impactful like we've seen him do, then okay, you don't. Then maybe you don't need a center, but I think they need one. A seven foot, you need more size. So if you're asking me what do I want to see, I can't give you a name. I'm going to tell you what I want. I want a bouncy seven footer who can defend, block shots and all that stuff. And, you know, I don't need them to be a Big time score. I just need him to be a bouncy seven footer. And then I need a six, eight athletic wing who can guard and run up and down the floor and come off the bench and, you know, give me some versatility that if they can find two pieces like that, I think they're. They get even closer to being that team that I think could contend for a championship. That's it. I can't give you names though, because I just don't know at this point.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But hard to get in season, you're saying?

[Guest Speaker]

I just don't think teams are giving up guys like that as easily. And when you are going to trade for them, it's going to cost you a ton. And keep in mind, again, I don't want to get too deep in it, but it's not a cap issue for the Knicks. It's a threshold. The second apron thing, which I know once I explain it, I'm pouring everybody to tears. Just understand that it's. It acts as a hard cap and then once you hit it and the Knicks are very close to it, if you hit it, you can't do anything. You can't trade anybody, you can't sign anybody who gets like. I would watch and see. Are there any veterans who get waived that you can sign at the end of the season? These veteran minimums, you can pick up guys that are cut and they become available and then you can sign them. That's something to watch. So, you know, we shall see. All right, we'll finish up with some calls, some thoughts and everything else. But first, may I introduce everybody to an SUV where everything for every passenger feels just right. It is the all new 2025 Infiniti QX80. I have talked about this before, is my family's favorite car. Now, this is the one everybody wants to take. Now, a lot of family in town over this weekend. Everybody knows we went through some personal family stuff. This SUV came through big time for us. Clutch because it's got a big third row. It's not your typical third row where you put the little ones in the back because nobody, no adult can fit back there. No, this third row is legit. The second row is what everybody fights over because while, as you know, normally everybody has the massage seats in the front and the heat and cool and all that stuff, the second row also has it. So you're sitting there in the second row getting a little massage and my mom, who's been through a lot, she's sitting there and we're going to, you know, to the different places we had to go to the funeral home, to the church. And she's in it. And I'm like, you know what, mom? Let's go. Let's put a little luxury for you on this ride. Let's make you feel good. So that's the one thing I gotta say about this suv. It doesn't. No one feels cramped. It drives so nice, so smooth. It is the ultimate in luxury. And that's why I keep talking about this truck. I've talked about the hockey bags that go in this thing and when I take my daughter to hockey and how much she loves it. But you got to try it out for yourself. It's got all kinds of features. I have driven really, really nice cars in my lifetime. I've been fortunate enough to do that. This is one of my favorite cars, not only to drive, but to be in, because it is the ultimate in luxury. So how about you discover you just right? Visit InfinityUSA.com learn more about the all new Infiniti QX80. Availability of features may vary by trim level, packaging and options.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Guest Speaker]

Where would you rank this song? All time rock. Like, you don't have to give me a number. Give me a range.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, it's. I. I like. It's not my favorite of Jimi Hendrix.

[Guest Speaker]

Not your favorite? No, this is my favorite. What's your favorite?

[Alan Rosenberg]

What is it? I can't think of it now because this song is playing in my head. No, I got a. I got a. I like this. I do. But I can't say that it's among my favorites.

[Guest Speaker]

Okay. I just. It's like again, this is a name. That tune in Purple Haze. I was hoping you wouldn't say Purple Haze. Purple Haze is a mainstream, but not.

[Alan Rosenberg]

As what is because I'm not the biggest Jimi Hendrix fan. But what's the 9 and 6? See if you can find that there. It's 9 and 6. Go ahead.

[Guest Speaker]

So now foxy lady. Not hey Joe.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. Give it a little of that flavor. This is my favorite Jimi Hendrix song.

[Guest Speaker]

Jacob will be on it. Don't worry, Jay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Jacob's gonna be on it.

[Guest Speaker]

Okay. Well, that's the one we're talking about. All on the wall Tower. I just think it's not.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's a phenomenal guitar player. And it's the cords, though, are just so.

[Guest Speaker]

The. The chords Are visceral. Like, they're just. Song comes in so strong.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He definitely knew what the heck he was doing.

[Guest Speaker]

Hell, yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Another one of those guys that. That magic 27, right? They all die. 27.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Got such a groove.

[Guest Speaker]

Okay, so you. I see a lot of what you like has that same vibe to it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay, so that's my favorite Jimi Hendrix song.

[Guest Speaker]

Nicely done.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Used in. What is that? Surfer. Why am I vegging on the name of the surfer? The movie. The Rob Banks. It was the.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Johnny Utah.

[Guest Speaker]

Point Break.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Point Break. Yeah, it's in there. It's really good. They remade Point Break Gary Busey in that movie. What are you doing? Remaking Point Break. And also because I mentioned Roadhouse before, they remade that with Jake Gyllenhaal. What are you doing?

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, Terry, what are you doing? It wasn't really the same story, though. That's the problem.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Doesn't matter. Leave it alone.

[Guest Speaker]

By the way, speaking of rock and Point Break, the band that they had a bit part in. Point.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[Guest Speaker]

Yes.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Isn't that cool? Like, all of a sudden, there's this Anthony Cade.

[Alan Rosenberg]

She's like shot in the foot.

[Guest Speaker]

Let's take some more. You want to take Richard? Do it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Hey, Richard.

[Guest Speaker]

Hey, Richard. Richard Manhattan.

[Richard]

Hi. Hi, Don. Hi, Alan. You know the first Hendrix song? You played that? He played that at Woodstock.

[Guest Speaker]

Yes, that and the. Of course, the anthem. Famously.

[Richard]

You know, you mentioned Tim Robbins. Tim Robbins plays roller hockey down on Houston street every Sunday. He's playing years. Oh, I don't know. I haven't seen the last couple of years.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, in the 90s.

[Richard]

Oh, yeah. He's a big hockey player. Alan, I got this for you. Now, you know, obviously, basketball, out of the four majors, the athletes are probably trained athletes or most athletic, let's say. How do you explain this? You got six guards shooting point guards over 35. Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Steph Curry, Chris Paul, James Harden, Russell Westbrook. They're still playing at an elite level. How do you explain that?

[Guest Speaker]

Because, well, Westbrook is one that plays above the rim or did the other ones. You just named a lot of guards who played with smarts. And all of them are strong, like, physically strong. The guys like, again, John Moran. Richard is so great, but once he loses the bounce, I think it's going to be over. That's sad, but it's a reality. That's what you see. Like, Chris Paul is a highly intelligent player who's also strong as hell, but knows he's smart. Knows his spots. Steph Curry is the greatest shooter in the history of the game, but also very smart. Kyle Lowry, incredibly smart player who never had to use athletic like, that's why Jalen Brunson is going to be one of these guys that'll be 38 and still playing, still getting buckets because they don't need the athleticism. They use strength and smarts and everything else. And that's really certainly what it told me.

[Alan Rosenberg]

How about that? There was an actual back and forth there between Alan and Richard.

[Guest Speaker]

Was it?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I usually let him go.

[Guest Speaker]

That's the question.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Dan got in the way of Richard and got trampled.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, to death. Just steppage.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And then Dan got mad at Richard for not letting Dan get a word in. And I had to say to Dan, just, you don't know. Richard, just let him go. You just open the cage and just hope he doesn't run you over.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, it's just how it works.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That was fun, man.

[Guest Speaker]

It was definitely fun. It was definitely cathartic for me to be back and I appreciate it, Don, as always. And you will get more of Don Lagreca at 8:30 with the Rangers pregame show Rangers and the Utah Hockey Club.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, they got to correct that and.

[Guest Speaker]

They got to get the two points and make it a good trip. And so we will, we will discuss tomorrow as the Knicks will get back at it at the Garden as well. So have a great night everybody.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Guest Speaker]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.

[Don Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.