Hour 4: Scott Boras & NBA Giveaways

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Scott Boras & NBA Giveaways

Date: February 27, 2026 | Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

This lively hour explores two main topics: a candid look at New York Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner and Mets owner Steve Cohen through the eyes of super-agent Scott Boras, followed by a deep dive into the Atlanta Hawks’ “Magic City Monday” collaboration, blending basketball with Atlanta’s nightlife culture. The trio displays their usual banter, mixing keen sports analysis with irreverent humor, and the hour is rounded out by fan calls and trademark playful riffs on pop culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scott Boras on Hal Steinbrenner’s Yankee Leadership

[01:37 – 05:13]

• Boras reflects on the changing reputation of Hal Steinbrenner, suggesting that, in recent years, Hal has shown more personal investment and competitiveness in Yankees negotiations—comparable to the legendary drive of his father, George Steinbrenner.
  • “I saw an emotional commitment to competitiveness. I had not seen that personally before.” – Scott Boras [01:58]
• The hosts discuss whether fan perceptions of Hal as ‘soft’ are still accurate.
  • Don: “He’s getting a little more like the old man. Interesting, no?” [02:46]
  • Alan: “I’ll believe it when I’m able to sense this.” [03:03]
• Reference to pivotal negotiations (Aaron Judge, Juan Soto, Cody Bellinger) as proof of Hal’s evolving style.
  • Scott: “The judge negotiations is where he finally put his foot down and said, no, we have to do this.” [03:58]
  • Don: “There was a time that narrative was right, and Hal was hesitant to spend…but when it comes to ‘players we want to keep,’ he was recently [more aggressive].” [04:13]

Notable Quote

“It does seem like there was a time where that narrative was right…But when it comes to these are players we want to keep or we need, [Hal's] recently… I don’t know how that’s going to change their pursuit.”
— Don [04:13]

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2. Scott Boras Praises Steve Cohen’s Mets Ownership

[05:20 – 06:05]

• Boras, ever the diplomat, lauds Steve Cohen’s strategic genius and competitive edge as Mets owner, viewing him as the kind of “owner genius” modern baseball needs.
  • “When [Steve Cohen] puts his mind to something, you can see that he has every focus to do things in a manner that are strategic…there is a constant dig to find personnel for the next generation of talent.” – Scott Boras [05:20]
• The hosts find the praise a bit generic; Alan and Don joke that “Limerick Boris” (Boras in rhyme) might have been more entertaining.

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3. Atlanta Hawks & Magic City Night: Basketball Meets Southern Culture

[07:11 – 12:45]

• Segment kicks off with amusement about the Hawks struggling with attendance, leading to a novel promotion: teaming with Atlanta’s iconic Magic City (gentleman’s club) for “Magic City Monday.”
  • Don: “The Atlanta Hawks, who can’t draw flies these days, are partnering up with Magic City…and they’re having a night, Magic City Monday.” [07:35]
• Cultural significance and cheekiness:
  • Alan: “I gotta tell you, this is edgy. This, this, this is actually edgy.” [07:52]
  • Don: “They have great wings.” [07:27]
  • Peter: “Lou Williams left the bubble just for those wings.” [07:31]
• Promotion details:
  • Magic City’s world famous lemon pepper wings served at the arena.
  • Atlanta rap legend T.I. performs at halftime.
  • Co-branded hoodies as exclusive merch.
  • DJ Esco to provide music.
  • But notably: no mention of actual stripping or dancers in the press release, which the hosts find both funny and a sign of the NBA “pushing the line, but not too far.”
    • Don: “We’re missing one element, are we not?” [10:41]
    • Alan: “Still no strippers or dancers.” [10:14]
    • Don: “Now, they do have a dance team that might get interesting.” [11:06]
• The hosts riff on Atlanta’s unique blend of basketball and nightlife.
  • Alan: “Listen, Atlanta deserves this credit… sometimes feels like you’re at Magic City just by going to the game.” [12:31]
• Quick aside about the NYCFC home opener against Orlando City, with playful continuity on “Magic City” references. [13:02]

Notable Quote

“It’s a fun, edgy thing to do. I respect the league for going for it.”
— Alan Hahn [11:56]

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4. Fan Call: Richard’s Sports Media Nostalgia & Knicks Coaching Takes

[16:17 – 20:23]

• Richard calls in with classic sports broadcasting memories (Curt Gowdy, Jack Whitaker, Pat Summerall), plus personal reminiscences (“throwing snowballs at garbage cans”).
• He pivots to the current Knicks coach comparison:
  • Praises Tom Thibodeau as a motivating leader who “made all these guys better”—Brunson, Hart, Donovan, Derrick Rose, Julius Randle, Jimmy Butler.
  • Critiques Mike Brown as competent but “just a very nice guy,” lacking the stern approach of past coaching greats.
    • “Would Bill Parcells do that? Would Pat Riley? No.” [19:02]
• Don and Alan agree that teams often shift from a “taskmaster” coach to a softer touch; it’s a natural pendulum, but can have consequences for discipline and performance.

Notable Quote

“That’s usually what happens after you go from the taskmaster coach. The minute that coach steps aside, it’s almost like everybody just kind of exhales…”
— Don [20:25]

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5. Light-hearted Closings: Music, Game Highlights, and Signature Banter

[13:45 – End]

• The crew skims through a playful airing (“My All Remix”) and jests about how remixes never start on time.
• Quick “Game Time” update on tonight’s local NHL and NBA action, with enthusiastic (and irreverent) cues for liquor sponsors.
  • Alan: “It’s telly time!” [15:06]
• Peter and Richard drop in with bonus chat: most underrated rock & roll songs, sports broadcast themes, and snowball etiquette (“If you're gonna throw a snowball at a cop, aim at the knee!” – Richard [17:28]).

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On Hal Steinbrenner’s growth:
  • “He’s getting a little more like the old man. Interesting, no?” – Don [02:46]
• On Magic City Monday:
  • “I might have to COP one [hoodie].” – Don [07:59]
  • “If you're not going to see…if we don't get actual nudity, what are we doing?” – Alan [09:33]
  • “Food, music, merchandise…missing one element. It’s still no reference whatsoever.” – Don [10:41]
• On New York’s unique sports culture:
  • “From MLK jerseys to Magic City night. Name me another city with this range.” – Don [12:24]
• Richard’s Snowball Wisdom:
  • “If you're gonna throw a snowball at a cop, aim at the knee. Don’t throw into somebody’s head.” – Richard [17:28]

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• Scott Boras on Yankees / Mets Owners: [01:37 – 06:05]
• Magic City Monday / Hawks Promotion: [07:11 – 12:45]
• NYCFC Ticket Giveaway Announcement: [13:02]
• “My All Remix” & Remix Jokes: [13:45 – 14:49]
• Game Time / Sports Update: [15:01 – 16:14]
• Richard’s Nostalgic Call & Knicks Chat: [16:17 – 20:23]
• Show Closing Thoughts and Banter: [20:23 – End]

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Summary

This hour offers the signature Don, Hahn & Rosenberg blend of East Coast sports takes, nostalgia, and sharp humor. From Boras’s revelations about Yankees and Mets leadership to the wild Atlanta Hawks-Magic City promo and a crash course in New York sports media history courtesy of Richard, listeners get a fast-moving, entertaining, and sneakily insightful window into the intersecting worlds of sports, culture, and fandom. All in the style of three guys who live and breathe New York sports—and don’t take themselves too seriously.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Richard]

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[Peter]

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[Don]

gunned down the key to this case. It's Brian.

[Richard]

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[Scott]

This might be a hit.

[Richard]

You want the truth? They just want a conviction.

[Don]

Being placed under arrest. We had a killer amongst us.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Podcast Announcer]

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[Alan Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Alan Hahn]

Well, Don thinks not worthy of the Rock and Roll hall of Fame.

[Don]

Yeah, probably not, but they weren't bad.

[Alan Hahn]

Did we ever hear Did I miss it? Did I miss it? Did we ever hear the My all remix?

[Don]

No, he did not.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. He's had enough.

[Peter]

I mean, if you've been paying attention, I played at least one song from

[Alan Hahn]

each artist, but not my All Reman.

[Peter]

You want me to play of everything?

[Don]

Well, no, man.

[Alan Hahn]

We said we.

[Don]

You know what? He's feeling himself pushing back. I've never heard Jake push back.

[Alan Hahn]

He's dumping.

[Don]

He's. I don't think he respects you.

[Scott]

Peter Ross has had a long day. We can go till 7:30.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, he could, but, but all I'm saying is, you know, she said she really wanted to hear it and

[Peter]

I, I thought we would, but you know what? I, I, I got you. I'll finish.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen. It's okay.

[Peter]

We've heard enough. Phil Collins, I think.

[Don]

New World Order and.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, come on.

[Don]

Haven't heard some New World Order.

[Alan Hahn]

My All Remix, that's something.

[Don]

A new Order, actually.

[Peter]

You know what I'm thinking about?

[Don]

Nwo. NWO is a wholly different order, isn't it?

[Alan Hahn]

It's a very different thing.

[Don]

Okay, well, because I teased it, I have to. You pay it off, Scott. Boris, for those who hate Hal Steinbrenner and feel like he's soft already.

[Richard]

Sorry, Sorry.

[Don]

Timing. I didn't even. I haven't heard this yet.

[Alan Hahn]

That was actually Anthony.

[Don]

I am curious to see what he has to say about the Yankee owner.

[Boris]

I've known Hal Steinbrenner for a long time and I negotiated with his father with him. I learned something in the one Soto pursuit in the meeting when Hal was there is that I saw an emotional commitment to competitiveness. I had not seen that personally before. You know, we have conversations, we talk a lot on the phone, but I hadn't seen that in Hal. And I saw it again this year with Cody Bellen. Again where this is our guy. This is who we really want. It's our focus, what we're going to do. We obviously had to take a timetable of that negotiation, which is sometimes difficult for teams to deal with, but they stuck with it. That was their plan. That's what they wanted to do. And so the idea of being competitive, being personally committed, being involved, I've seen a transition in that in. In Hal, where I think that's how he feels about his leadership with the Yankees.

[Don]

All right, so sounds like he's trying to tell us that he used to be laid back, soft, not as aggressive, but not anymore. Lately, he's getting a little more like the old man. Interesting. No.

[Alan Hahn]

If it's true.

[Don]

Well, do you think he's just totally making this up?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't, but, like, I just. I kind of will believe it when I'm able to sense this.

[Don]

I think we got the sense like he didn't want to let Bellinger go.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. You know something? I mean, I don't know, Anthony. Let's ask Anthony. You're a Mr. Yankee fan. Are you moved?

[Don]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Well, the thing I would say that's. That's great to hear. I think you go farther than that. And of course, Scott wasn't involved in those negotiations. It goes back to when the late night call in Italy would judge.

[Don]

Right.

[Scott]

Where Hal said, enough, we have to get this done.

[Don]

Right.

[Scott]

You've heard that more. So it doesn't surprise me. He's still doing it, but I guess it validates a lot of Yankee fans thoughts of Hal was not George. Apparently up until the Soto and Bellinger negotiations with Boris, he wasn't.

[Don]

But he didn't want to lose anyone.

[Scott]

And I guess the judge negotiations is where he finally put his foot down and said, no, we have to. We have to do this.

[Don]

Yeah. And he did it because remember with Soto, they just kept going and going and going. And Soto just wanted to be a Met.

[Scott]

And their argument will now be, well, why Isn't your payroll $400 million? And then we get back into he doesn't have that money.

[Don]

Right. And then we just go round around on that. But I do think that is something that we need to keep in mind. It does seem like that there was a time where that narrative was right and Hal was hesitant to spend, hesitant to go after anybody aggressively. But when it comes to these are players we want to keep or we need, he was recently. I don't know how that's going to change their pursuit because, you know, Bryce Harper becomes available. Are they going to whatever it takes to Bring him in, knowing how much he'd probably love to be here. I don't know. I don't think anybody's ever going to take on the Dodgers toe to toe. I just don't think it's possible. When you are the. As we've called it, they're the mom and pop. They're a very, very.

[Alan Hahn]

They're a rich mom and pop.

[Don]

Very, very rich mom and pop.

[Alan Hahn]

Very, very rich, very successful.

[Don]

But in comparison to hedge fund money and corporate money, it is not the same. It is mom and pop. So that's. You know, I just find that interesting to hear from Boris because there's no reason for him to say that. Do you care to hear what he says about Steve Cohen?

[Alan Hahn]

That actually. Yeah, sure.

[Don]

Yeah. Okay.

[Boris]

With Steve Cohen, there's just not much in a competitive environment that he doesn't win at. He's just very good at it, brilliant at it. When he puts his mind to something, you can see that he has every focus to do things in a manner that are strategic. They're evolved, they are detailed. There is a constant dig to find personnel for the next generation of talent. And I think this is what we hope the game should bring well to our country. We want to attract owner geniuses. We want the geniuses in all fields to come. All of these things.

[Don]

I think I. I could sense that you checked out early on this one.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. That wasn't. That didn't give me what I was.

[Scott]

We might like Limerick Boris. Better thoughts.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe it's time to give us one of your weird songs, but.

[Don]

Yeah. All right.

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[Don]

Some other news. Right, that's what that felt like. You know, Magic City.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Don]

Well know of it.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course I do.

[Don]

Atlanta. Famous, well known gentleman's club.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right. Very popular.

[Don]

Very popular. Because they have great wings.

[Peter]

Lou pebble once left the bubble just for those wings.

[Don]

That's right. Lemon pepper.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

[Don]

Yes. So the Atlanta Hawks, who can't draw flies these days, are partnering up with Magic City, of all places, and they're having a night, Magic City Monday. What? Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I gotta tell you, this is edgy. This, this, this is actual edgy.

[Don]

There are even hoodies.

[Alan Hahn]

They got hoodies.

[Don]

Yeah, they do. I might have to COP1. March 16, the Hawks. And they'll play that night. Who would be the appropriate opponent when you're playing, when you're having a Magic City night?

[Alan Hahn]

Orlando.

[Don]

The Orlando Magic. Ooh.

[Alan Hahn]

Although it's kind of weird. It's almost like you're promoting them.

[Don]

But it's weird. But, you know, whatever works, right?

[Alan Hahn]

So what does this include?

[Don]

This night, they will actually serve at the arena to purchase lemon pepper Wings. The famous Wings TI Will be performing at halftime.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. This is actually something.

[Don]

You're thinking of something now.

[Alan Hahn]

This is something. This is actually going out there. If you're the Atlanta Hawks. Listen, they got rich Trey Young this year. It's rebuild time.

[Don]

It is.

[Alan Hahn]

We got it. We got to figure out what the hell's going on. Let's do something to bring people in the building. This is something.

[Don]

So the Hawk. This is the headline of their press release. The Hawks to celebrate Atlanta's iconic cultural institution, Magic City during team's Magic City Monday game. Iconic cultural institution. You know what, boys?

[Alan Hahn]

You're moving to Atlanta.

[Don]

Road trip.

[Peter]

I think I might need to go on assignment right quick.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Now tell me this though. Is there going to be actual stripping? Because if not, we're playing games. Tonka truck, as some would say.

[Don]

I mean, they, you know, I mean, they have a co Brand. The hoodie I told you about. Co branded limited edition hoodie. Which means how are we getting our hands on this thing? We got to figure that out.

[Alan Hahn]

Because. Because. But if you're not going to see if we don't get actual nudity. What are we doing?

[Don]

You want actual nudity?

[Alan Hahn]

What are we doing? Yeah, yeah. That would be. Take it to the next level. You know, as.

[Richard]

Or.

[Alan Hahn]

Or it's 1, 2, 3. Let's be good.

[Don]

Sorry. So. So Atlanta's own TI perform some of his well known tracks at halftime.

[Alan Hahn]

Look at that.

[Don]

Presented by Jack. Jack Daniels. Of course, they've also teamed up with the coolest DJ in the world, DJ Esco.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's DJ Esco to you.

[Don]

And of course. Yeah, you and me. Yeah. Let's see. That's. Let's see. Anything else? I gotta tell you, I'm seeing Nothing about stripping. Dancing. No. It's still nothing about dancers.

[Alan Hahn]

Still no strippers or dancers.

[Don]

There's a lot in this press release. Magic City kitchen will serve two versions of their world famous lemon pepper wings.

[Peter]

Now, who do you think is serving

[Don]

Lou Will Lemon pepper.

[Alan Hahn]

Now here's the.

[Don]

Ooh, barbecue and traditional lemon pepper.

[Alan Hahn]

But let me. Here's the question though. Who's serving the rings? The wings. Yeah.

[Don]

I should say still

[Alan Hahn]

because the waitresses could be. You know what I'm saying?

[Don]

From the food to the music and the exclusive merchandise, we're excited to team up with Magic City. We're missing one element, are we not? The strippers, food, right. Music, merchandise. Yeah. Missing one element. It's still no reference whatsoever. Now, they do have a dance team that might get interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

God bless. You know what I mean?

[Don]

Oh, we have a quote from TI

[Alan Hahn]

I live for prison rules.

[Don]

You want to hear what TI has to say in the statement? What a tip happen in a statement? TI Said, quote, we doing this one for the city. Magic City.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don]

End quote. If he was that bad, that's the cause.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's the South. When you're talking about the dirty south, you got to talk about Alan Hahn

[Don]

out five games on the road. On the road. Well, I want to Atlanta for some Magic City.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, well, you know, when Alan will Wings. When Alan's on the road, you know what it is?

[Don]

Wow. So, yeah, so it'll be a hoodie, wings and basketball.

[Alan Hahn]

But listen, in all seriousness, that is a pretty fun.

[Don]

Very, very interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a fun, edgy thing to do. I respect the league. I respect the league for going for it.

[Don]

And you're. You think Adam Silver. Just him co signing this. It's cool.

[Alan Hahn]

I think so. I mean, listen, I know the NBA doc.

[Scott]

NBA.com has a story on it.

[Don]

Yes, they do. It's a press release. I was reading from it.

[Alan Hahn]

So people may be offended, but I think it's pretty.

[Don]

One question about the hoodies is will kid sizes be available?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen,

[Don]

again, another said this from MLK jerseys to Magic City night. Name me another city with this rain.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's Atlanta. Now listen, Atlanta deserves this credit. And Alan, you were telling me that going to a Hawks game is sometimes feels like you're at Magic City just by going to the game.

[Don]

Respectfully right halftime. You always take a tour around the concourse.

[Alan Hahn]

God bless.

[Don]

You know what I mean?

[Alan Hahn]

God bless me. Bless.

[Don]

Always take a tour. You want some tickets? Oh, you bet you New York soccer fans, are you ready for tickets? Saturday, March 7, New York City FC opens the season at home against Orlando City.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, like Magic City.

[Don]

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Don]

So this is it.

[Alan Hahn]

This is my all remix.

[Peter]

Like, whoa.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm curious to hear where it goes like. Hold on, hold on. Here we go. Baseline.

[Don]

Here we go. Keep ad lib in here for a minute.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Listen, Pete's doing

[Don]

anytime, right?

[Alan Hahn]

It's kind of cool. I don't really know. It takes a little time to get going.

[Don]

Yeah. They used to bother me, the ones that like the remixes that just take forever to get to the song.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you got to tell people to remix.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

How are they gonna know if it's a remix if you don't say this is the remix or remix over and over again for a long time.

[Don]

Right. Think about it like that was the most annoying part is the ad lib stuff. You just. Just get to the song. Guys, I get it. You're on the. You're on this one. I get it. You're on the track, right?

[Alan Hahn]

No, you're on.

[Don]

You're here. We got it now.

[Alan Hahn]

No.3 mix.

[Don]

Turn me up. Turn me up. Well, listen, we got it, but that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's part of the fun.

[Don]

You know what else is fun? Game time brought to you by. Tell them our Dew Irish Whiskey. Can you do a remix of this? Because when it's game time.

[Scott]

Hey.

[Don]

Huh, huh? Huh.

[Alan Hahn]

It's telly time.

[Don]

It is telly time. Rangers back from the Olympic break, facing the Flyers. Anthony's excited coverage immediately following dan Grassa on 8:80 at 7:30. It's an 8 o' clock puck drop. For those wondering why it's later than usual. Islander's also back in action. They take on the Canadians up in Montreal. That's at seven. So right after us, you can watch them Islander hockey if you'd like. And if you're missing Don legreca, you can watch him on MSG again tonight. Back to back. Legreca Devils visiting the Penguins at seven. And then if you want to watch Wemby and the spurs, you know who they play.

[Scott]

The Spurs.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I love when Wemby plays the Spurs. That honestly, that's the matchup you're looking for is.

[Don]

It'll be better than this matchup. The Nets are hosting The spurs at 7:30. Telemardu. The original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemardu or try the new Telemurdu. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying. Tell them or do responsibly. Well, you want to.

[Alan Hahn]

You want to do it?

[Don]

You want to do it?

[Alan Hahn]

I do, yeah.

[Don]

You always.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, I'm in the mood. Are you for what we call some big dick in Manhattan?

[Richard]

Hi, Peter. Don. Alan. Hi, Peter. Hi, Alan. The most underrated rock and roll song ever. 1973. Rick Derringer rock and roll. Hoochie Coo. That is such a great song. I never hear anybody talking about it. And Sade when she came out with Smooth operator, October of 79. Wow, that was unbelievable. You know what I did yesterday, Peter? What's that, Alan? First time in 45 years I was throwing snowballs. And as kids we used to call it. It was good packing, you know. That's when you.

[Alan Hahn]

It was the ul. And were you one of the ones? You weren't involved?

[Richard]

No, no. I was throwing him at the garbage can, believe it or not. The idiot mayor that thought it's good that you can throw snowballs at a policeman's head is a schmuck. I mean, you throw it at the guy's ankle or throw it at his knee. You don't throw it in his head.

[Don]

That's weird.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what? You didn't think Richard would have the most reasonable take that. There is no one's.

[Don]

This is Richard. If you're gonna throw a snowball at a cop, aim at me. Throw it at his. It's like, there you go. It's like hit him in the lower.

[Richard]

Everything's correct.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Richard]

I wouldn't go for it, but at least you're not an idiot throwing into somebody's head. You Gotta be. You know, you guys were talking about big, big name announcers. And the first big name announcer solo. You'll know the name right away. When he did the game, it was big Curt Gowdy. Man, that guy can do it all. He was great. Then you had a guy, Jack Whitaker, who was exactly like Jim Nance. Did football, but he also did a lot of golf. Little boring like, same type. But Curt Gowdy was huge. Now the best 2 man I ever heard was a tie. Before Summerhall and Madden it was Summerall and Brookshire. They were great. They were must listen to. And Brookshire was really good until he got in trouble. But then you had also ABC had the game of the week. And by the way, if you could ever get the song Allen, it is unbelievable. The NBA game of the week. Anyway, Twyman and Schenke did those. You want to talk about the greatest three man Allen ever? Three man greatest. Enberg, Maguire and Packard. 1977, when they did a college basketball game, forget about it. And you want to know how great Twyman was? Twyman played with Oscar Robertson, Maurice Stokes. Maurice Stokes was a black man who got paralyzed. Twyman organized a benefit charity up at Kutchers in the Jewish Alps in the Catskills. Every year, Chamberlain, Russell, Robertson, West. They all played in an exhibition game. It drew tons of people for charity and they played all out. This guy Twynman was way ahead of his time. Then he did the games with Krish Schenkel on the ABC Game of the week, the NBA game. Man, they were great. That's how good they were. Now as far as Thibodeau goes, he's the only guy that can light a fire under Cat. Mike Brown is a nice guy, but Thibodeau made all these guys better. Brunson, DeFincenzo Hart, Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, Julius Randle. No offense to Mike Brown, but to be honest fellas, when I saw Mike Brown hugging Draymond Green after Draymond Green mug cat after the Knicks blew a 17 point lead and lost to the Golden State. That's all I had to see. He's a nice guy, but he's not an NBA coach. Would Bill Parcells do that? Would Jeff Van Gundy do that? Billy Martin, Fred Holtzman do that? Pat Riley? No, but no, it's not against Mike Brown. He's just a very nice guy, that's all.

[Alan Hahn]

Richard's a very good call. You brought a lot of good things.

[Don]

But that's usually what happens after you go from the taskmaster coach. Like, it always tends to happen.

[Alan Hahn]

Everybody kind of like, especially if the team complained.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

If it came from the team and, you know, and Tibbs didn't get backed up by Jalen. He didn't put his foot down and they let it happen.

[Don]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

In all likelihood, they're going to go a softer direction. I think we can all admit that's what it looks like. At least it is with Mike Brown. So it's not a bad point from Richard.

[Don]

It's fair. It is fair. And it's. What happens, though, is the minute that the taskmaster coach steps aside, it's almost like everybody just kind of exhales. And if that coach that comes in doesn't have that same kind of firm grip on the team and lets it loosen up a little bit, it's a lot harder now to bring them back and be tough on them. So we'll see how things go for the rest of this season. Next play tomorrow night in Milwaukee. Well, we will be here with you tomorrow. So everybody have a great night.

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[Don]

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