Hour 4: Super Bowl Trivia & Roger Goodell

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Super Bowl Trivia & Roger Goodell

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Special Guest: Dan Grassa

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Episode Overview

This episode blends light-hearted sports trivia with sharp NFL conversation. Anchored by Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg's signature banter, they first dive into a rapid-fire New York Giants-themed Super Bowl quiz. The second half reacts to Roger Goodell’s State of the League address, focusing on pressing issues like the Giants' Steve Tisch situation, NFL officiating, and the looming 18-game regular season. The atmosphere is classic ESPN New York: fun, spirited, but insightful about the state of football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl Giants Trivia Showdown

[00:34-11:38]

• Purpose: Peter brings an ESPN.com Super Bowl quiz to test Don’s knowledge of the 2011 New York Giants (their most recent Super Bowl win).
• Format: 10 quick-hit multiple choice questions, with everyone chiming in, trying to reason out both obvious and obscure answers.
• Notable Moments:
  • Easy early questions (e.g., “Who started at QB?”—all agree: “Eli Manning.”)
  • Increasing uncertainty on deep bench questions (notable laughter, guessing, and honest admission of “I don’t know”).
  • Good-natured ribbing when Don gets answers wrong; Peter jokes: “Might be time to study up. Flashcards can be helpful.” ([11:33])
  • Shared nostalgia for the 2011 team, poking fun at the obscure names and funny training camp memories (e.g., “They threw him [Prince Amukamara] in the cold tub in training camp.” [02:30])

Notable Quotes

• Peter (on Don’s trivia skills):
  “Not bad. But it might be time to study up. Flashcards can be helpful.” ([11:33])
• Dan Grassa (admitting fading recall):
  “This has now gone beyond mine.” ([09:15])
• Rosenberg (on question difficulty):
  “But this is their last Super Bowl, 2011?” ([01:37])

Memorable Timestamps

• QB Question: 00:57-01:13
• Player Rookie Year Question: 02:11-02:59
• Obscure TD Scorer Question: 09:09-09:29
• Results & Gentle Roast: 11:18-11:41

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2. Comparing John Harbaugh’s Voice to Joe Biden

[12:00-12:59]

• Listener Call: Joe from Chappaqua calls to comment that John Harbaugh sounds just like Joe Biden.
• Hosts react: They laugh, agree, and debate whether they could do a convincing audio comparison.
• Peter suggests: They try to isolate generic phrases both might say for a “side-by-side.”
  “Can we do a side by side by side audio? ... You can find something where it’s very generic and just to see.” ([12:18], [12:54])

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3. Roger Goodell’s State of the League Address & NFL Hot Topics

[15:45-22:34]

a. The Steve Tisch/Epstein Email Situation

• Context: Goodell is asked about Giants’ co-owner Steve Tisch and possible discipline under the NFL’s personal conduct policy due to new emails released.
• Goodell’s Response:
  “Absolutely, you know, we are going to look at all the facts... we're going to try to understand that and we'll look at how that falls under the policy. But I think we take one step at a time. Let's get the facts first.” ([16:24])
• Host Analysis:
  Rosenberg acknowledges the “non-answer” is all Goodell can say—due process, investigation, legal steps.

b. NFL Officiating and Technology (AI)

• Goodell’s Position:
  “I truly believe that technology can help our officials... we need to give them that tool and I think AI is going to be a real opportunity there.” ([17:07])
• Panel Reaction:
  Hosts unanimously support more tech on the field. Peter: “Whatever TV has, the officials should have.” ([17:41])
  Rosenberg: “I just want to get it right.” ([17:43])
• Cautious Optimism: They discuss practical uses, especially with first down measurements and instant replay.

c. 18-Game Regular Season & Two Bye Weeks

• Goodell’s Comments:
  “We have not had any formal discussions about it... It is not a given that we’ll do that. It is not something that we assume will happen… We want to talk about [it] with the union leadership...” ([18:16])
• Host Hot Takes:
  • Peter: Suggests possible all-star break or two byes, debates logistics.
  • Rosenberg: “No, they don’t. Because you don’t want to have no football.” ([19:20])
  • Lament over load management creeping into the NFL (e.g., teams resting stars late in season like NBA teams).
  • Don (biggest concern):
    “This really isn’t about player safety. It’s obviously about money. And we’re going to get worse football.” ([21:59])
  • Consensus: More games = more revenue, more rest = diluted regular season, potential for worse September football, disappointed paying fans.

Notable Quotes

• Rosenberg (on the future of 18 games):
  “Listen, I don't want to speak for Roger Goodell, but I will go into 18 because 17 makes no sense. Right. So they're not going back to 16. They're eventually going to go to 18, but they've got to cosmetically make it look like they care about the players.” ([20:00])
• Dan Grassa:
  “We’re going to get worse football… Your good teams are going to rest players. You're going to get bad games. You pay money for tickets and don't see players play.” ([22:05])
• Peter (on two byes):
  “The logistics of that make it that much more difficult, don't you think?” ([19:45])

Memorable Timestamps

• Goodell on Tisch: 16:24
• Goodell on AI/technology: 17:07
• Goodell on 18 games: 18:16
• Host debate on byes/season length: 19:06-22:27

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Standout Moments & Humor

• Don being roasted for scoring “five out of ten” (11:24):
  • “Not good. If there was one for Super Bowl 21. I don't know. Whatever it is...” – Rosenberg ([11:26])
• On Harbaugh/Biden similarity:
  • “It is as close to doppelganger voice wise that I've ever heard.” – Rosenberg ([12:21])
• Meta-commentary on NFL priorities:
  • “This really isn’t about player safety. It’s obviously about money.” – Don ([21:59])

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Conclusion

This episode delivers equal parts nostalgia, fan fun, and sharp NFL analysis. The Super Bowl trivia provides playful self-deprecation among hosts and a trip down memory lane for Giants fans. The second half, reacting to Roger Goodell’s address, shows the panel at their best: candid, critical, but always passionate about football’s future.
Recommended for fans wanting banter, background on current NFL controversies, and the signature personality of ESPN New York’s finest.

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Quick Navigation by Topic

• Giants Super Bowl Trivia: [00:34–11:41]
• Harbaugh & Biden Voice Talk: [12:00–12:59]
• Goodell’s State of the League / NFL Issues: [15:45–22:34]
• Season Structure & Player Safety Rant: [21:40–22:34]

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Rosenberg]

Panic at the disc. Nice.

[Peter]

Pretty.

[Rosenberg]

Glad she likes it. Yeah, I don't know what year it's from, but I think it's fairly recent compared to my musical taste.

[Peter]

Yes.

[Dan Grassa]

What's she like?

[Peter]

Panic has definitely tried to keep the rock genre going.

[Rosenberg]

Cool.

[Peter]

So ESPN.com getting ready for the super bowl has a Super bowl quiz. And each team has, like, quiz about, like, how much you know about your team when they won their Super Bowl. Their last Super Bowl. So do you want to play a little one real quick?

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah, that could be fun.

[Peter]

All right, there's 10 of them real fast. Let's see how good Don is at his favorite team.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Peter]

So let's see. Here's the first one. Which quarterback started the most games for the 2011 New York Giants?

[Rosenberg]

Which Giant? Eli Manning.

[Peter]

You're going Manning.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah, that's the same way to go.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's pretty easy.

[Rosenberg]

I think he started.

[Peter]

Yeah, I know. Well, for one, I'm with less nervous. Which player scored this. Scored in the super bowl for the Giants.

[Dan Grassa]

Which player?

[Peter]

Which player scored in the Super Bowl? I'll give you four. Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz, Brandon Jacobs.

[Dan Grassa]

Very easy.

[Peter]

But this is their last Super 2011.

[Rosenberg]

Okay. Oh, wait.

[Dan Grassa]

Eleven.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I'm saying. But that's right. It's scored.

[Peter]

The Latley just said score. Score scored in the Super Bowl.

[Rosenberg]

Okay. Because they had, you know, Bradshaw scored two women's.

[Peter]

But okay.

[Rosenberg]

All right. Yeah, of course, that's. That's very easy to cruise. Yes.

[Peter]

Which player was a rookie for the 2011 New York Giants? JPP Aaron Ross, Prince Amukamara or Will Beatty?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I don't think it was Prince.

[Dan Grassa]

No.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Peter]

They threw him in a hot tub.

[Dan Grassa]

What were they again?

[Rosenberg]

And the first cold tub action. And the first one was Jason Pierre.

[Peter]

Paul. No, no, Camara. Will Beaty.

[Dan Grassa]

See, I was thinking it was Prince.

[Peter]

I think it's Prince.

[Dan Grassa]

I think it's Prince.

[Peter]

I don't know. I don't have the answer. I have to click.

[Dan Grassa]

I remember Prince.

[Peter]

I have to click the choice to.

[Rosenberg]

Find out if it's right or wrong had been there.

[Dan Grassa]

No, because I remember I got to know Prince a little bit around the time I was on this show, and so he was pretty new. Eileen Prince. But I don't know about then.

[Rosenberg]

I would say Ross, but then you should.

[Dan Grassa]

No, no, but it's your team?

[Peter]

Pick one, please.

[Rosenberg]

I'll say I'm going to pick ross.

[Peter]

Ross. No, Ms.

[Dan Grassa]

Prince, so far I know your team.

[Peter]

Better than they threw him in the cold tub in training camp.

[Dan Grassa]

I forgot about that. But yes, now I remember.

[Peter]

Okay, which defender was named to the Pro bowl? This is the 2011 Giants. Jason Seahorn, JPP. Chris Canty, Justin Tuck.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I would. Justin Tuck was the best of the players so I would think Justin Tuck went to the Pro Bowl. It couldn't have been who was the first win.

[Dan Grassa]

I'm going to rule out. I'm going to stay with Tuck.

[Peter]

Also Jason Pierre, Paul. Oh, jpp.

[Rosenberg]

But that's Samantha. I mean, who cares about the pro. All right, but I was wrong.

[Dan Grassa]

Well, and Tuck and JVP were both, you know, the guys.

[Peter]

Okay, more defense. Which defensive player led the 2011 Giants in interceptions? Oh, we have ontrell Roll Matthias. Kiwanuka.

[Rosenberg]

Matthias.

[Peter]

Is it Matthias? Yeah, Theus Matthias. Let's call the whole thing off. Aaron Ross. I think it was Corey Webster.

[Dan Grassa]

Aaron Ross or Corey Webster?

[Peter]

Yeah, those are the other two. So roll Kiwanuka Ross. Webster. I gotta tell this is leading the team in intercept.

[Rosenberg]

Ross.

[Unidentified Guest]

I think it's Webster.

[Dan Grassa]

You think Webster.

[Rosenberg]

That year it was Webster.

[Unidentified Guest]

I think he had the like game ceiling picks on a couple of those.

[Peter]

Final answer.

[Dan Grassa]

No. Don.

[Rosenberg]

Well, don't go by me.

[Dan Grassa]

Don went Ross.

[Peter]

Don went Ross.

[Dan Grassa]

He loves Ross. For the second time.

[Peter]

Show me.

[Rosenberg]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. It's about the last Super bowl, right?

[Peter]

2011 season.

[Dan Grassa]

But the season it was web.

[Peter]

We keep a score, by the way.

[Rosenberg]

I hope not.

[Dan Grassa]

He's gotten two wrong.

[Peter]

Two wrong. Okay.

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[Peter]

All right, here we are. We're at number six. Well, this should be easy. Who was the kicker for the 2011 Giants?

[Rosenberg]

Well, that would be if your choices don't worry.

[Peter]

Lawrence Tynes, Lawrence Tines, Steve Weatherford, Zach Diase or Pat Summerall?

[Commercial Announcer 1]

They didn't.

[Peter]

They did.

[Rosenberg]

They did. I'm going to Go.

[Dan Grassa]

Lawrence signs also.

[Peter]

All right, which member of the team in 2011 played 10 or more seasons in the NFL?

[Dan Grassa]

Okay.

[Peter]

Brandon Stokely, OC Humanura, Chris Snee, David Bass.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, boy. What's the first seasons?

[Peter]

10 seasons. I'll take back on that. So I think. I think I know this one.

[Dan Grassa]

I think OC's out because Stokely had.

[Rosenberg]

Been around a while.

[Peter]

Yeah, I. I'm with you. I'm with you. Ant.

[Dan Grassa]

What was the first name?

[Peter]

The first one was Stokely. Brandon Stokely.

[Dan Grassa]

Okay. Second name.

[Peter]

Human.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Then Chris Snee.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And David Bass.

[Rosenberg]

Snee. When does Sneeze?

[Dan Grassa]

I think I lean. Snee.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Snee had been there a while, it'd be between him and oc. So I'll go.

[Peter]

Snake Stokely. We all thought it was.

[Rosenberg]

That was my. That was my gut. But I thought they were gonna. Because he had been in the league.

[Dan Grassa]

I know O.C. came up just short of that. I think O.C. played eight or nine years.

[Peter]

Okay, well, this is weird. I don't like this question. No, it's dumb. This is the eighth one who scored a touchdown for the 2011 giants.

[Roger Goodell]

Okay.

[Peter]

Michael Clayton, Travis Beckham, Darrell Scott or Danny Ware.

[Unidentified Guest]

That's.

[Dan Grassa]

This has now gone beyond mine.

[Rosenberg]

It's gone.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah, we've gone.

[Peter]

Which of this group?

[Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Unidentified Guest]

The second one.

[Peter]

You're going with Beckham. Sure. That Beckham.

[Dan Grassa]

I don't remember another Beckham scoring a touchdown. He's right.

[Peter]

And he got it. Nice.

[Dan Grassa]

I don't remember.

[Peter]

Travis, look at you. All right, we have two more here, and then we're done. Which member? Oh, this is pretty good. Which member of the 2011 Giants went to college at Tennessee?

[Dan Grassa]

It's your tittle.

[Unidentified Guest]

Dave already has it. He doesn't even know the names.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah, he already knows.

[Peter]

Brandon Jacobs, Justin Tuck, Victor Cruz, Dionne Grant.

[Dan Grassa]

Not Cruz.

[Rosenberg]

Definitely not Tuck. Not Tuck.

[Dan Grassa]

What was it?

[Peter]

Deon Jacobs.

[Dan Grassa]

Brandon Jacobs.

[Unidentified Guest]

I think it's Grant because I don't know where.

[Commercial Announcer 2]

Jacobs.

[Rosenberg]

I think it's. I think it's Grant, too.

[Dan Grassa]

Let's try Grant.

[Peter]

Nailed it.

[Rosenberg]

Who's buried in Grant's tomb?

[Peter]

That's right. Last one. Let's see. This is. This is really good, huh?

[Rosenberg]

I think I do better on their first Super Bowl.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah, you would.

[Peter]

Of course you would. Yeah, well, maybe there's another one. Who carried the ball on the 2011 New York Giants longest play from scrimmage in the Super Bowl. I love these names. Henry Hinaski, Bear Pasco, Mario Manningham, Ahmad Bradshaw. Carried the ball carried the hinoceros, the highness fullback. These are some names.

[Dan Grassa]

Well, like the thing is, if it's a trick question, they're begging you to say Bradshaw.

[Rosenberg]

But it's not Bradshaw. It's not Bradshaw.

[Dan Grassa]

But it may not be a trick question.

[Rosenberg]

And it wouldn't be Manningham.

[Peter]

The longest.

[Dan Grassa]

Maybe it was the first carry the ball.

[Rosenberg]

So he has to. He has to catch the ball and take off. And his big catch was at the sideline.

[Dan Grassa]

No, but maybe they ran a. Maybe they ran a quick little head around handoff to Manahem Hinaski.

[Rosenberg]

Sounds like. Because it probably wasn't for a ton and pass. So it's.

[Unidentified Guest]

Maybe they didn't have a big run in that game.

[Dan Grassa]

That's right. It's very possible they didn't have a.

[Unidentified Guest]

Big run because then it could be.

[Rosenberg]

I'll say Hinaski.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah, I agree.

[Peter]

Manningham end around.

[Unidentified Guest]

All right.

[Peter]

Well, isn't that amazing?

[Rosenberg]

I honestly don't remember anything but his catch on the sideline.

[Dan Grassa]

Well, it was probably a 10 yard run. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But I don't know how long was. You know how long?

[Dan Grassa]

I do remember five out of ten.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Not good. If there was one for Super Bowl 21. I don't know. Whatever it is, just.

[Peter]

By the way, it's. It also has a little message for you, Don.

[Dan Grassa]

What's that?

[Peter]

Not bad. But it might. Might be time to study up. Flashcards can be helpful.

[Dan Grassa]

Don't worry, he's still got the game on his dvr.

[Peter]

Done.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. So I'll just have to watch.

[Peter]

They have all the teams that have won a Super Bowl.

[Dan Grassa]

I got to play the Commanders one, the Redskins one.

[Peter]

Well, we have all week.

[Dan Grassa]

Exactly. All week. For God's sake.

[Rosenberg]

Now, we could do this, Joe. And Chappaqua makes a great point. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Joe? Hey, guys. How you doing? Thanks for taking a call.

[Dan Grassa]

Hi, buddy.

[Rosenberg]

Always. So you were playing clips of John harbor earlier and.

[Roger Goodell]

And I don't know what it is.

[Rosenberg]

But whenever I hear him talking, I just hear Joe Biden. We've brought that up.

[Dan Grassa]

You haven't heard us say that.

[Rosenberg]

It is. You never heard us say that. We said it when you got hired. It's incredible.

[Peter]

Can we do a side by side by side audio? Side by side?

[Rosenberg]

It's, it's. It's unbelievable. It is as close to doppelganger voice wise that I've ever heard, and I'm glad that you agree. I don't know if we'd be able to do a side by side because you'd have to find some like, real generic sentence because I'm sure the topic matter will give it away.

[Peter]

No, no, it's, it's just a matter of hearing them.

[Dan Grassa]

The tone.

[Peter]

There's got to be some generality that they both have said.

[Dan Grassa]

You know, we have them both saying.

[Peter]

I'm not kidding around, like, and that's how you win. Yeah, I'm not kidding.

[Dan Grassa]

Or come on, people.

[Peter]

But you can find something where it's very generic and just to see.

[Dan Grassa]

But it's very similar style, man.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Dan Grassa]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Grassa]

Anything, Don, Any movement very near, you.

[Rosenberg]

Know, honest sounding note to, you know, producer.

[Dan Grassa]

Let's get to this.

[Roger Goodell]

This.

[Rosenberg]

Now, it's not metal.

[Peter]

No, no.

[Rosenberg]

But it's hard rock. It's not bad.

[Dan Grassa]

But that's like pop. It's pop hard right now.

[Rosenberg]

What song was that, Jacob?

[Dan Grassa]

That was Never Enough by Turnstile.

[Rosenberg]

They also have Birds, which is a good song.

[Rich Eisen]

That one. I want to say that one.

[Rosenberg]

Best new song. All right, well, listen, what are you gonna do? All right. Roger Goodell spoke today from Santa Clara. His state of the league address that usually always came later in the week, but they did it on Monday. And of course, the one thing everyone wants to know is about the Tisch situation. Could Steve Tish be disciplined under personal conduct policy?

[Reporter]

Hi, Roger. Last week release of some of Jeffrey Epstein's emails indicated repeated exchanges with Giants co owner Steve Tisch. To what extent will the NFL look further into those exchanges? And could Steve Tisch be subject to discipline under the personal conduct policy?

[Roger Goodell]

Well, you may be getting ahead of yourself on the second part, but I would say that absolutely, you know, we are going to look at all the facts, we're going to look at the context of those. We're going to try to understand that and we'll look at how that falls under the policy. But I think we take one step at a time. Let's get the facts first.

[Rosenberg]

I know that sounds like a lame avoiding the question. What else is he supposed to say? He has to say, this just came back, just came down on Friday. It's Monday. There's a due process, there's an investigation.

[Peter]

Well, legally, it's what he has to say.

[Rosenberg]

Right. I mean, you know, but he did say that. Yeah, it could fall under this. But, you know, we got a long way to go before we get to that point.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

On the officiating in the NFL, I.

[Roger Goodell]

Truly believe that technology can help our officials. They do a great job, but it's an incredibly fast game. The technology that you all bring with super slow mo, you now have three times the number of cameras that we had several years ago. They can move the angle. We need to be able to use that to help our officials get it right. They want to get it right. They're incredibly dedicated professionals. But we also, we need to give them that tool and I think AI is going to be a real opportunity there. We are talking with our partners and talking with others about how we implement that to help our officials.

[Peter]

I'm all for it. I don't know how you guys feel.

[Rosenberg]

I just want to get it right.

[Peter]

Whatever TV has, the officials should have it agreed disposal and you should be able to use it to make the right call. I though. How do you. How do you use that?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I guess you could probably use it, you know, to enhance the first down.

[Peter]

Create a model of thing.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I guess would look like. But yeah, whatever technology is at your disposal. It sounds silly now, but that's obviously being used and if it's accurate and isn't going to be compromised, I'd be all for it. And finally, is 18 games guaranteed before the end of the CBA.

[Roger Goodell]

We have not had any formal discussions about it and frankly very little of any informal conversations. I've heard people talk about it in the context. It is not a given that we'll do that. It is not something that we assume will happen. It is something that we want to talk about with the union leadership. As you know, they're going through a transition, but the challenges will be different here a little bit and it'll. It'll depend on a lot of factors, including safety of the game. What other changes can we make to the game that are going to continue to prove that from a safety standpoint, but also a competitive standpoint? Should we have two buys? What are the roster sizes? There are a number of issues that need to be discussed with the players and that I'm sure will be a focus or at least a component of the next cba, at least in the discussion phase. But there are a lot of things that I think are going to be on the table.

[Peter]

The two buy thing don't. I think. Would you get to a point that if the season is that long, could the league afford to have like a all star break type of break?

[Rosenberg]

No, they don't. Because you don't want to have no football.

[Peter]

Well, you don't have no football in middle of a season, but you don't have no football.

[Rosenberg]

All star break. No, because nobody wants to play in a Pro Bowl. It's a joke. It's gonna be silly.

[Peter]

It's no football. What. What can.

[Dan Grassa]

Like, can they do something to two buys feels?

[Rosenberg]

No, but that's a lot. You do two buys, but you do it like you do now, where there's always football. Just not everybody plays but your team gets two weeks off.

[Peter]

But the logistics of that make it that much more difficult, don't you think? Two buys?

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah, I don't know how they do.

[Rosenberg]

Well, they've got to try to figure out a way.

[Peter]

You got to add another week, not just one week.

[Rosenberg]

And they're all for that.

[Dan Grassa]

But guess what? That's what AI is for. They'll figure it out.

[Rosenberg]

The thing is, is do they want to go from Labor Day to President's Day? If they decided to play on Labor Day, which they tried to avoid because apparently the ratings were down because everybody's going to the beach last summer of the weekend, but apparently what was going on this, oh, they had week zero in college football and apparently the ratings are through the roof. So if they revisit it and figure they can make it happen. Football's been so dominant with the ratings now and go Labor Day to day, President's Day where people are off the day after the super bowl and you get those 18 weeks. Listen, I don't want to speak for Roger Goodell, but I will go into 18 because 17 makes no sense. Right. So they're not going back to 16. They're eventually going to go to 18, but they've got to cosmetically make it look like they care about the players. Well, so they're going to add player safety. They're going to add the two buys. The reason I believe this is a huge mistake is because they're going to take away the preseason. We already see the first month looking ridiculous because training camp is now patty cake. And with with three preseason games and nobody playing, these guys aren't ready to play.

[Peter]

Don't you think it also cheapens September even more because we all question. Remember it used to be 03 was the death. Now no longer.

[Rich Eisen]

No.

[Rosenberg]

But you are going to create an atmosphere where load management is going to become a thing.

[Peter]

Oh, absolutely.

[Rosenberg]

Team's got a four game lead in the division. It's late in the season. You know what? I'm not going to play Mahomes. You know I'm not going to play.

[Dan Grassa]

That is a good point because you.

[Rosenberg]

Know it's late in the season in all that. And why would you want to have a game really? It's one thing have an NBA game on a Tuesday when the Knicks are playing whoever, but to have an NFL game in which starters aren't playing and has a preseason feel in November, December.

[Peter]

On a Thursday night, that's going to look bad too because it's a short week. I'm sitting my guys. I don't care. That's this game means nothing.

[Rosenberg]

That's why you have to have the second buy so that you avoid doing that.

[Peter]

But you got to understand the logistics of a second buy. It doesn't lengthen your season by one week.

[Rosenberg]

It had several buys back in the day. You know, back in the early 90s.

[Dan Grassa]

It was less complicated. But Don makes the ultimate point. This really isn't about player safety. It's obviously about money.

[Peter]

Of course.

[Dan Grassa]

And we're going to get worse football. Yeah, I agree to your point. You go.05 now, your season's not over. Well, that may be true. There's some upside there. But on the back end, your good teams are going to rest players. You're going to get bad games. You pay money for tickets and don't see players play.

[Peter]

Yep.

[Dan Grassa]

And it's still more dangerous for all of them. But.

[Rosenberg]

But keeping it at 17 seems silly to have an odd number of games.

[Dan Grassa]

It does. So how about go back to 16?

[Rosenberg]

They won't go back to 16. It's going to come to the expense of a preseason game and then you get to get down to two and there is no.

[Peter]

Good to see all you guys.

[Dan Grassa]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Good to see you.

[Dan Grassa]

Enjoyed this.

[Rosenberg]

Dan Grassa, Next ESPN New York thanks.

[Don Hahn]

For listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Dan Grassa]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.

[Don Hahn]

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