Hour 4: The Don Show

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: The Don Show

Date: January 29, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg (w/ Anthony Pusick)
Podcast Focus: New York sports and broader pop culture topics, with an emphasis on discussion, opinion, and engaging calls from listeners.

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Episode Overview

This fourth hour, dubbed "The Don Show," centers around the aftermath of NFL Hall of Fame voting controversy—specifically the surprising omission of Bill Belichick as a first-ballot Hall of Famer. The hosts dig into the Hall’s official statement, debate the bylaws and possible violations, and field calls exploring the motivations at play. The episode pivots in its final segment to lighter fare, including discussions of boy bands, concert venues, and a bit of New York Rangers hockey fandom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Controversy: Bill Belichick Not a First-Ballot Hall of Famer (00:30–15:20)

• Background & Statement:
  The Pro Football Hall of Fame released a statement after reports emerged that Bill Polian may have lobbied against Belichick’s induction, supposedly due to the Spygate scandal.

  • Host Reaction:
    • Michael Rosenberg found the Hall’s statement ambiguous, saying,

    "This statement to me leaves more questions than answers. How exactly were the bylaws violated?" (03:31)

    • The hosts question whether Polian’s efforts really violate any real “bylaws,” noting that debate and persuasion are built into the process.

• Arguments Over Bylaws:

  • Rosenberg and Anthony Pusick dig into whether it’s against the rules to argue against, not just for, a candidate.
    • Anthony Pusick:

    "Can you make an argument? Are you not allowed to make an argument against someone?" (05:59)

  • General consensus: Only non-football reasons (like personal vendettas) would violate the process, not football-related controversies such as Spygate.
  • Mike Garofalo’s reporting (delivered via Anthony): votes against someone for reasons like poor media relations would be out of bounds, but votes over football controversies are okay.
    • Anthony Pusick:

    “Specific to Belichick, the Spygate debate would be considered football related and not a violation.” (10:48)

• On Motivations and Proof:

  • Rosenberg notes:

  “Is he not allowed to go in the room and say, don't vote for Bill because he cheated? If that's a part of the bylaw, that doesn't seem... Maybe there is a rule that says you cannot petition against a candidate—you can only petition for them.” (13:13)

• Public Backlash, Hall’s Response:

  • Hosts interpret the Hall’s public statement as an acknowledgment of public uproar and a need to reassure fans of due process, not necessarily evidence of real impropriety.
    • Anthony Pusick:

    “They're almost admitting that something went wrong here by putting out this statement... something that social media has universally galvanized upon, which is very rare.” (14:10)

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2. Caller Segment: Theories and Fan Perspectives (12:56–21:50, 17:40–24:04)

• Motivations Behind Voting (12:56–15:20)

  • Listeners speculate about Polian’s motives and whether voting against Belichick could be personal rather than strictly football-related.
  • Rosenberg pushes back, stressing how hard it would be to prove someone’s true motivations unless there is explicit evidence—and notes the democracy and imperfection of the process.

• Rule Nuances: Football vs. Non-Football Reasons (17:40–19:10)

  • Caller Cody (San Diego) raises a “what if” scenario: if it’s proven a voter denied Belichick for a non-football reason (e.g. personal life), that would break the rules.
  • Rosenberg’s take:

    “I can't imagine Bill Polian would be that stupid. And I can't imagine that anybody could prove that Bill Polian's motivations were anything but keeping him out because of Spygate. So this is probably much ado about nothing.” (19:10)

• Perspective on Public Outcry

  • Rosenberg:

    “I kind of admire that the general public could put aside their feelings for Bill and say, do the right thing and put him in there.” (20:28)

    • Compares hypothetical for other coaches:

    “Are you telling me that this guy’s not a first ballot hall of famer and in a couple of years you’re going to put Mike Tomlin in as a first ballot hall of famer... that just disrespects the whole process.” (20:55)

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3. Pop Culture & Fan Life: Boy Bands, the Sphere, and NY Rangers (21:50–end)

• Boy Bands and Live Music (21:50–23:22)

  • Caller Lauren (New Jersey) shares her Backstreet Boys/Sphere concert experience.
    • Lauren:

    “There is no bad seat in the house… two totally different shows you’re watching. It’s phenomenal.” (22:03)

  • Hosts note the expansion of the Sphere to other cities and rave about concert tech experiences.

• Menudo & Pop History (23:00–23:13)

  • Caller Scott brings up Menudo as the “first boy band.”
    • Rosenberg:

    “I don’t know a song, but I certainly remember Menudo.”

  • Brief nostalgia on 80s pop culture.

• Rangers Fandom & Team Changes (23:30–24:04)

  • A caller laments the state of the NY Rangers, missing Don La Greca’s broadcasts and sharing his wife’s newfound fandom for the San Jose Sharks.
    • Rosenberg:

    “They could call it whatever they want. It’s a rebuild…”

    • Offers insight on possible future moves for the Rangers roster, emphasizing the patience needed for team rebuilds.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “This statement to me leaves more questions than answers. How exactly were the bylaws violated?”
  — Michael Rosenberg (03:31)

• “Can you make an argument? Are you not allowed to make an argument against someone?”
  — Anthony Pusick (05:59)

• “Specific to Belichick, the Spygate debate would be considered football related and not a violation.”
  — Anthony Pusick, citing Mike Garofalo (10:48)

• “Are they suggesting that Bill Polian had a motive to get them to vote against Belichick and is that a violation of the bylaws?”
  — Michael Rosenberg (04:14)

• “They're almost admitting that something went wrong here by putting out this statement... something that social media has universally galvanized upon, which is very rare.”
  — Anthony Pusick (14:10)

• “I kind of admire that the general public could put aside their feelings for Bill and say, do the right thing and put him in there.”
  — Michael Rosenberg (20:28)

• “There is no bad seat in the house… two totally different shows you’re watching. It’s phenomenal.”
  — Lauren (caller) (22:03)

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Memorable Moments

• The genuine confusion and debate between Rosenberg and Pusick on what exactly constitutes a violation of Hall of Fame voting bylaws (03:31–06:50).
• The show’s lighthearted transition from Hall of Fame controversy to classic pop culture with callers sharing concert stories and the nostalgia for 80s boy bands (21:50–23:22).
• Candid fan confession about switching hockey loyalty and inter-household rivalry, symbolizing the intersection between sports and everyday life (23:30–24:04).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:30–15:20 – Belichick Hall of Fame controversy, bylaws discussion, and Hall’s official statement
• 12:56–15:20 – Listener theories on motivations and process
• 17:40–19:10 – Football vs. non-football reasons for Hall of Fame exclusion
• 21:50–23:22 – Boy bands, concert venues, and caller nostalgia
• 23:30–24:04 – NY Rangers fandom, Don La Greca’s career, and the pain of rebuilding

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Final Thoughts

This hour of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" is a lively blend of sports debate and pop culture banter. It’s especially valuable for listeners interested in the intricacies (and drama) of NFL Hall of Fame politics, with authentic dialogue that’s both informed and skeptical. The segment is equally grounded by the personalities and passions of the New York fanbase, providing broader appeal through its mix of topics and caller inclusion.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Michael Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don La Greca]

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[Scott]

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[Don La Greca]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Michael Rosenberg]

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[Don La Greca]

Hey, Don.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. It's always great, great to be a part of the Don Show. So as I teased, I guess, at the conclusion of Don Hahn and Rosenberg, since this is the Don show, that the hall of Fame has issued a statement on the heels of Bill Belichick not going in on the first ballot. And you know the claims to Bill Polian was petitioning voters not to vote for Belichick and going public on one report that he's 100% sure he voted for Belichick and another report he said he was 95% sure. So Bill seemed to be all over the place. So here's the statement. The Pro Football hall of Fame understands and respects the passionate reaction of many fans, media members and enshrines of the hall itself. In light of the published reports regarding the voting results of the class of 2026, it's that very passion that propels the game. The hall also respects the members of the selection committee when they follow the selection process. By laws, it is an honor to serve as a selector. Each year the hall reviews the selection process and the composition of the 50 person selection committee. It is determined that if it is determined that any member members will violated the selection process bylaws, they understand action will be taken. They could. That could include the possibility that such selector selectors would not remain a member of the committee moving forward. The selection of a new class is the most important duty the hall of Fame oversees each year. And the integrity of that process cannot be in question. Now what do we know? We know that Bill Belichick did not get the number of votes necessary to be a first ballot hall of Famer.

[Rich Eisen]

All right.

[Michael Rosenberg]

And we're hearing reports that Bill Pollian was telling voters not to vote for Belichick because he cheated with Spygate. Bill Poldian has denied that. I don't know what the bylaws are. I don't think there is a law that says you can't vote for somebody because they cheated. I don't think it'd be in the bylaws that you can suggest to someone who they should vote for. Because part of the process of voting is negotiating or not negotiating, but like Debating and arguing whether somebody's a Pro Football hall of Famer or not. I always give the example. Vinny the Trane was the Giants voter and he stood up and had to make a case for Lawrence Taylor. Gary Myers had to make a case for Eli Manning. If Bill Polling wanted to make a case, don't vote for Bill Belichick because he cheated. I wouldn't think that violated the bylaws either. So this statement to me had leaves more questions than answers. How exactly were the bylaws violated? That's what I'd want to know. Am I missing something, Anthony? I mean, I don't think any reports had anything other than Bill Polian suggesting that people on the committee not vote for Bill Belichick and that he didn't get the allotment of voted necessary to be a first ballot hall of Famer.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, I'm just currently, you know, in the weeds on NFL selection committee bylaws, seeing if I could see anything that could seem nefarious that would prevent what was done here.

[Michael Rosenberg]

What I would say is that is it possible, I would think that one of the laws that could be violated is, you know, buying votes or, hey, don't vote for Belichick and I'll vote for your guy. I don't know if that's in the bylaws or not, but that to me sounds like something that might be in the bylaws. Not polling and asking guys not to vote for Bill Belichick, I don't think that would be in the bylaws. And voting against Belichick because he was involved in a controversy, also not something that violates the bylaws. There were people that were not going to vote for Lawrence Taylor because he had a drug problem and it committed crimes. So I would think you're well within your right to not vote for Bill Belichick because of that. And you don't even have to tell anybody why he didn't vote for him. So I need to know more information. What exactly are they suggesting was violated? And again, I don't want to assume, but I do a talk show and right now I'm doing it by myself until 7 o'. Clock. And we can open the phones at 1-800-919-3776. Are they suggesting that Bill Polian had a motive to get them to vote against Belichick and is that a violation of the bylaws?

[Anthony Pusick]

I get you can stump for someone. That is the job of the person as you.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Anthony Pusick]

Can you make an argument? Are you not allowed to make an argument against someone.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Is that in the bylaw? I wouldn't think it is. If you can petition for somebody, wouldn't you petition against them? I mean, Gary Myers, when he was and we'd love to get Gary on, maybe we'll try to get him on tomorrow. When he stood up defending Eli Manning, I'm sure there were guys that shouted back, no, he doesn't have the numbers. He only went to one Pro Bowl. Tony Romo was better. Philip Rivers was better. I mean, is that against the bylaws to fight back? I the only thing I would think is, is that, hey, don't vote for Bill. If you don't vote for Bill, I'll make sure I'll vote for your guy next time or I'll vote for your guy this time. That to me sounds like it could be something that violates it. But again, I'm just guessing.

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[Michael Rosenberg]

Unless something was reported that I didn't see and that's why I checked with my producer Anthony Pusick. It doesn't sound like anything that's being suggested would violate any bylaws. Unless like Anthony said, you are not allowed to argue against somebody. But that seems silly.

[Anthony Pusick]

So we've got something from Mike Garofalo. Go ahead. Who says the context of this is if the hall has reason to believe a voter made a decision on a candidate for non football reasons eg not cooperative with the media, action will be taken. Specific to Belichick, the Spygate debate would be considered football related and not a violation. So that's not. You can actually say what?

[Michael Rosenberg]

Right.

[Anthony Pusick]

I think Spygate's problem. They would say non football related reasons. So he was prickly to the media and he didn't like me. So I'm like.

[Michael Rosenberg]

But this would be a football related reason.

[Anthony Pusick]

Unless it's more than that from someone. Am I even saying Bill now? Because Bill, 95%, 100%, whatever. Are they implying that there's another voter out there that didn't vote for Belichick because he had an axe to grind? But, and I don't know the answer.

[Michael Rosenberg]

They said in the statement, they're responding to the reports, the outcry that Bill wasn't voted in. So they wouldn't do that. Nobody would know anything because they don't have to tell you anything. So this the only person that we know that is polling. So did polling do something? Was polling using this as a negotiating tool, like the Lawrence Taylor example that I gave? I guess that would fall under football because he was suspended from football for drug use. Right. So that sounds like that would fall under the umbrella of a football decision. I didn't like him. He didn't. He wasn't nice to me. I thought he was awful. In any given Sunday, I'm not voting for him. That's, that's, that's against the bylaws. But voting against Lawrence Taylor because he was suspended a year or suspended from games for drug use, well, then that's okay. So I need to do a little bit more. We'll probably get a little bit more information as it comes out. But this statement to me left more questions than answers. 1-800-919-3776 let's go to Billy and Piscataway. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Bill?

[Caller Cody]

Hey, Don. Nice to be on with you. So I was thinking, could it be possible that maybe Bill Polian was feeling a little saucy while he was general manager of the Indianapolis Colts and maybe he thought they were always cheating to get by them to win Super Bowls that he might have gotten.

[Michael Rosenberg]

I think that's definitely the reason why he wants to keep Mount. But does that violate a bylaw to say, hey, don't vote for this guy? He got, he got caught cheating. I'm sure his motivation is, I don't like Bill Belichick. He stole a Super bowl from me. Or, you know, I just don't like the cut of his jib, whatever it is. But he's using the cheating angle, which according to Anthony would fall into the bylaws. Of it's okay because it's a football reason why you didn't vote for him. I've got no question that Bill Polian, if he did do this, did it because he doesn't like Bill Belichick. But is he not allowed to go in the room and say, don't vote for Bill because he cheated? If that's a part of the bylaw, that doesn't seem. Anthony, maybe you're right. Maybe there is a rule that says you cannot petition against a candidate. You can only petition for them.

[Anthony Pusick]

The thing that's most shocking to me about this, Don, is this. I'm not going to put words in the mouth of the Pro Football hall of Fame. They're almost admitting that something went wrong here by putting out this statement. There have been people that people thought should get into the hall of Fame before that didn't get in in their first ballot. They're thinking that the, the way that this is coming out, and of course, there's been such an outcry of it and as Booger pointed out, something that social media has universally galvanized upon, which is very rare, that we understand. We had to put out a statement because we think something here either doesn't make sense or we had to say we understand everybody talking about this and we're going to look into it.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Yeah, the feeling of that there's some impropriety, some violation of the bylaws. And not having the bylaws in front of me, I would just have to. I would just have to guess. 1-800-919-3776 more of this. Take you up until 7 o'. Clock. And then there's our coverage of the Knicks and the Raptors. Coverage of Islanders Rangers has already begun on 1050, so definitely check that out. And our coverage of St. John's and Butler, that's already underway on the ESPN app. So there's a lot going on here on ESPN New York.

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[Michael Rosenberg]

Thanks.

[Don Hahn]

For listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Michael Rosenberg]

All right, last call crew 1-800-919-3776. Cody in San Diego, you're on ESPN New York.

[Scott]

What's up, Don?

[Caller Cody]

How are you?

[Michael Rosenberg]

What's up buddy?

[Caller Cody]

So I got a potential theory into the Bella Check scandal here or whatever you want to call it. So it was presented, I believe earlier that if someone votes for a non football reason to deny someone access to the hall or whatever that could be reason to, that might be a violation of the bylaws. So for example, Bill Belichick's relationship with Jordan or whatever her name is, if someone votes against him because of that, a non football reason, that would technically based on, I believe what was said earlier be a violation.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Yes, but how would you know that's the reason they did it? The only report we have is Bill Polian was trying to Convince voters not to vote for Belichick in the first year because of Spygate. Spygate is a reason why you can vote against him. So where has there been any reporting that anybody voted for for a different reason?

[Caller Cody]

There could be a leak somewhere. I'm not saying because he could have voted because against Belichick because of Scott Spygate, but if he voted against him because of this non football reason, that would still violate the bylaws and therefore, I believe, maybe call into question the, I don't know, just, you know, call into question Bill Pollion or anyone who might have voted in that way.

[Michael Rosenberg]

You're right, Cody. I guess the investigation could be. All right. Bill Polian was going around telling everybody, don't vote for Bill Belichick because of Spygate. But was he motivated to do that because of the fact he doesn't like him? Peg, come on. You know, we don't like this guy. Like if there's evidence that he said to a voter, listen, we got to keep this guy out of the hall of Fame, vote against him and just tell him it was because of Spygate. But we don't like this guy. I can't imagine Bill Poly would be that stupid. And I can't imagine that anybody could prove that Bill Polian's motivations were anything but keeping him out because of Spygate. So this is probably much ado about nothing, but I guess there was enough of a backlash that the Pro Football hall of Fame felt like they had to say something, issue a statement. Now think about that. We had a caller earlier today, didn't get a chance to make his comment, but he said he's not going to shed a tear for Bill Belichick because he's a Jet fan. Screw Bill Belichick. He didn't want to coach my team, keep him out of hall of Fame. There's a lot of people that share that opinion. There are a lot of people that were relishing in the fact that he was failing in North Carolina. There's a lot of people that do not like Bill Belichick, but the majority of people still felt like he deserved to be in the hall of Fame because he was that good. Believe me, if they did this to, I don't know, Bill Cower, would there be the outcry? Bill Cower is a deserving Pro Football hall of Fame coach, but not to the level of Bill Belichick. And I kind of admire that. That the general public could put aside their feelings for Bill and say, do the right thing and put him in There, because, listen, I think we all enjoy the hall of Fame and the concept that there's a place where the greatest ever play or do it can be. And it really just bastardizes the whole concept of the hall of Fame. If Bill Belichick's not in it now, maybe it's only a year, but. Dude, are you telling me that this guy's not a first ballot hall of Famer and in a couple of years you're going to put Mike Tomlin in as a first ballot hall of Famer and say Mike Tomlin deserved to be in the hall of Fame earlier than Bill Belichick? That. That just, to me, just disrespects the whole process. Sometimes people are that good. The other topic of conversation, boy bands. Lauren, in New Jersey, you got to see one live, huh?

[Lauren]

Yeah, I've been seeing Baptist boys for. Since they first came out in the US But I actually went to the Sphere earlier this year. That place is phenomenal.

[Michael Rosenberg]

I've heard them good things.

[Lauren]

If you have a chance to go. There is no bad seat in the house. I did both nights in January and one night I stayed in the 100 section, and then the second night I stayed in the 400 section. Two totally different shows you're watching. It's phenomenal. And I hear that they're trying to make one in Washington, dc. I don't know how that's going to work out, but they, they said that they're going to do that, too.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Yeah, I heard that too. And that there's a possibility of even more of them popping up around the world. And that's what Jim Dolan's dream is, is to have these be in more places than Vegas. But thank you, Lauren, for the call. I've heard nothing but good things about the Sphere. I did not go to Vegas this year because the Devils and Golden Knights are on national television. So I did not make the trip out there, but I plan on being there next year and checking it out because I've heard nothing but good things about it. Scott and Ulbridge, you're on ESPN New York.

[Scott]

Hey, Don. How you doing, my man?

[Michael Rosenberg]

Good, man. How are you?

[Scott]

I'm good, not bad. Listen, one got one thing you forgot. Probably the first boy band of all time, Menudo.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Oh, I remember Manu. I don't. I don't know a song, but I certainly remember Menudo.

[Scott]

We're the same age, me and you. You know, I mean, I was never a Menudo guy, but, you know, back in the day. Back in the day, they were Huge. They were like the first.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Well, the fact that I never heard a song, but I know the name, and in the 80s, it was all anybody was talking about, so.

[Scott]

One thing I have to say, though, everyone's jumping ship on my. My New York Rangers. Don, I listened to you every single night as I was driving home from work on the radio until I would get in the house to watch a tv. And you were fantastic on the radio. And I miss. I miss hearing you, you know? But you're with your Devils now. Your first love. You got the tattoo.

[Michael Rosenberg]

I know.

[Scott]

So, yeah, good for you. But also on top of that, my wife, she's also jumping ship and she's got a crush on this Macklin celebrity, and she goes upstairs and watches the Sharks while I'm down here in misery watching the Rangers.

[Michael Rosenberg]

Wow. And then she's watching the Sharks late because they start their games at like 10, 10:30. So, yeah, I go upstairs.

[Scott]

I go upstairs after another Ranger loss, and there she is, smiling and celebrating. He just scored again. I'm like, yeah, great.

[Michael Rosenberg]

And then they. And then they beat you the other night, too. They had to insult him. Yeah. Listen, it's gonna take time, Scott and I appreciate the phone call. They're obviously. They could call it whatever they want. It's a rebuild, and they're gonna try to move whatever they can move to try to get in the right place. I'm a Chris Drury fan. I am. I think he's trying to clean up some of the messes from earlier, but sometimes you got to just recognize what you are. And I think Panarin is going to be gone, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some other significant games that are also moved. I wonder if they would ever part ways with Adam Fox. I mean, it might get to that level. We'll see. I don't see Shusturkin going anywhere, but we'll have to wait and see. Knicks basketball is coming up next, and I will talk to you again tomorrow at 3:00 clock right here on ESPN New York.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know.

[Don Hahn]

It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 88 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.