Hour 4: The List

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: The List Release Date: January 23, 2025

In the "Hour 4: The List" episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into a variety of engaging topics ranging from their early radio experiences to in-depth discussions on sports coaching and Hall of Fame considerations. The episode, released on January 23, 2025, is structured into several key segments, each highlighting the hosts' expertise and passion for New York sports and beyond.

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1. Origin Stories: First Steps in Radio ([00:30] – [05:42])

The episode kicks off with the hosts reminiscing about their early days in radio. Don La Greca shares his struggles and breakthrough moments, emphasizing the importance of always being prepared for unexpected opportunities.

Don Hahn ([02:04]): “Always be ready to be on the air, right? That's never an excuse to say I wasn't prepared.”

Alan Rosenberg echoes this sentiment, recounting his own baptism by fire when he was unexpectedly thrown into hosting a live show.

Alan Rosenberg ([02:21]): “Trial by fire, you know what I mean? Not bad.”

This segment underscores the unpredictable nature of live broadcasting and the resilience required to thrive in the media landscape.

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2. Coaching the NY Jets: Aaron Glenn’s Appointment ([05:42] – [14:24])

Transitioning from radio tales, the hosts delve into the world of football, focusing on Aaron Glenn’s official appointment as the head coach of the New York Jets. Don and Alan analyze Glenn's qualifications and the expectations surrounding his tenure.

Don Hahn ([10:49]): “I think that's got an excellent chance to succeed, but you just don't know.”

Alan discusses Bill Parcells' endorsement of Glenn, highlighting Glenn’s methodical rise through scouting to defensive coordination.

Alan Rosenberg ([09:00] Approx.): “He knows all of that. He knows his flaws and where the jets are right now, I would take that.”

They debate the potential impact Glenn could have, balancing optimism with caution based on past coaching appointments like Adam Gase's.

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3. Listener Calls: Hall of Fame and Retired Numbers ([14:34] – [22:16])

Listener interactions add depth to the conversation, with callers like Javier and Queen discussing Hall of Fame inductees and the criteria for retiring player numbers. The discussion centers on CC Sabathia’s contributions to the Yankees and his potential Hall of Fame status.

Caller Javier ([16:56]): “I think CC’s number should be retired because he was a great leader and upheld the Yankee tradition.”

Alan responds by emphasizing Sabathia’s leadership and on-field performance, reinforcing the argument for his legacy within the franchise.

Alan Rosenberg ([20:10]): “He cared so much about his team as a leader. This is what he did. That's what it's all about.”

Don adds his perspective on the Yankees' pitching history, advocating for Sabathia's recognition based on both statistics and leadership.

Don Hahn ([20:56]): “CC Sabathia is in the Hall of Fame. He spent more years with the Yankees than any other team. It makes perfect sense to me.”

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4. Sports List-Making: NHL Quarter Century Teams ([22:16] – [36:19])

The core of the episode revolves around the creation of NHL Quarter Century Teams for New York’s major franchises: the Rangers, Islanders, and Devils. The hosts aim to honor the best players from each team since the year 2000, inspired by the NHL’s own celebrations.

New Jersey Devils List ([24:03] – [31:32])

Don presents his Devils list, highlighting key players such as Martin Brodeur, Scott Stevens, and Zach Parise.

Don Hahn ([24:03]): “Brodeur, Nedermyer, and Stevens on the blue line and Patrick Eliash, Zach Parisi, and Brian Gianta as forwards.”

New York Islanders List ([25:26] – [33:26])

Alan crafts the Islanders roster, focusing on talents like Rick DiPietro, Kenny Johnson, and John Tavares.

Alan Rosenberg ([28:06]): “Rick DiPietro has the most wins and shutouts, making him a clear choice for Islanders' goaltender.”

New York Rangers List ([28:33] – [36:19])

Don outlines his Rangers selections, including Henrik Lundqvist, Adam Fox, and Artemi Panarin.

Don Hahn ([28:38]): “Henrik Lundqvist at goalie, Adam Fox and Ryan McDonough on defense, and Chris Kreider and Artemi Panarin as forwards.”

The segment is interactive, with listener Anthony providing feedback and suggestions, leading to animated discussions about the merits of each pick and potential alternatives.

Anthony ([31:37]): “I love Rick as the goalie, but what about Wade Dublowitz?”

The hosts debate the inclusions, showcasing their deep knowledge and differing perspectives on player legacies.

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5. Honoring Jacques Lemaire and Devils’ Legacy ([38:38] – [44:42])

The conversation shifts to celebrating Jacques Lemaire’s induction into the Devils' Ring of Honor. Don shares nostalgic memories of covering the team during Lemaire’s transformative coaching era.

Don Hahn ([42:36]): “Jacques Lemaire completely changed the culture. They went to the conference final and won the cup in 95.”

Alan complements this by discussing Lemaire’s strategic prowess, particularly his implementation of the infamous "trap" defense system.

Alan Rosenberg ([43:01]): “He believed in his system, and it dominated the league defensively.”

The hosts reflect on Lemaire’s lasting impact and the significance of his honors, reinforcing the rich history of the Devils franchise.

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6. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts ([44:42] – [46:10])

As the episode wraps up, the hosts touch on ongoing NHL events, such as the Devils’ game against the Bruins and the broader implications of Lemaire’s legacy. They also briefly mention upcoming NFL playoffs and relevant promotions before signing off.

Alan Rosenberg ([40:32]): “Aaron Glenn said, ‘Prepare to be coached with everything we have... expect a winning team that you will be proud of.’ It’s a careful yet ambitious statement.”

The episode concludes with a blend of personal anecdotes, sports analysis, and community engagement, exemplifying the dynamic and informative nature of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast.

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Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn ([02:04]): “Always be ready to be on the air, right? That's never an excuse to say I wasn't prepared.”

• Alan Rosenberg ([05:42]): “Success is when preparation and opportunity meet.”

• Alan Rosenberg ([20:10]): “He cared so much about his team as a leader. This is what he did. That's what it's all about.”

• Alan Rosenberg ([28:06]): “Rick DiPietro has the most wins and shutouts, making him a clear choice for Islanders' goaltender.”

• Don Hahn ([24:03]): “Brodeur, Nedermyer, and Stevens on the blue line and Patrick Eliash, Zach Parisi, and Brian Gianta as forwards.”

• Alan Rosenberg ([43:01]): “He believed in his system, and it dominated the league defensively.”

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This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg masterfully weaves together personal narratives, expert sports analysis, and listener interaction, offering a comprehensive and engaging exploration of New York's rich sports tapestry.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app. And your smart speakers always wanted to do this.

[Don Hahn]

What's that?

[Alan Rosenberg]

603 in the big city.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Don Han, Rosenberg, 880 ESPN. I just kind of like stuff like that. I like coming in especially to start the hour. Like, I know it's old school and it sounds kind of like, you know, Midwestern radio where, you know, you just don't know. You know, 17 degrees here in Midtown Manhattan. Like, I get it, but I don't know, there's just something kind of classic about it.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, listen. I grew up on radio. I love it, right? That's why I started in the big city, you know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Was it a caller who said earlier about, like, your first time on radio, how were you? Like, were you.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What? Because I know my. I never forget the first show I did by myself. I was set up, too. It was Justin Craig set me up, but he did it because he knew I had to just. Just, you know, baptism by fire. Just throw me in the pool and say swim. What was it for you?

[Don Hahn]

I had been hoping to get a. The host at the Fan and Chernoff's like, ah, you're not ready. You're not ready. You're not ready. And I was not ready. I was buying. This is going back. God is like in the, you know, mid-90s, 97, maybe a little late 90s.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay?

[Don Hahn]

And I'm me and Jerry. Me and Jerry Reo bought time in Red Bank, New Jersey, at a radio station, like at 6 in the morning on a Saturday doing shows and getting tapes. And I'm giving what that cost? Oh, I don't remember. It was like, man, I don't know. Like, maybe. I think it was like 150 bucks for like three hours.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So you paid to be on radio?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I paid to be on radio.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Isn't that amazing?

[Don Hahn]

Because there was no podcasts back then. Whatever. So me and Jerry, you know, Jerry was. Was. Was a board op at the Fan, and I was doing updates, and he was trying to get on the air, and I was trying to get a show. So we would. We would do that in the morning and just get tapes, giving tapes to churn off. And he would say, yeah, it sounds good, but you're not ready. You're not ready. And so it was. The WNBA All Star Game was on our air. It was during the All Star break of baseball. And they put. They put the WNBA All Star Game on the air. And so I was just doing updates and, you know, doing the IDs during. During the game. And Richard near was coming on after the game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Richard Near, Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And Richard near didn't misjudged the. When the game was going to end and the game ended and the postgame ended and there was no host, so they just threw me on the air and I did a show. I did it for like, you know, like a 20 minutes, a half hour or whatever. And that kind of broke the seal. You know, he. He critiqued it and.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But.

[Don Hahn]

But I did it. I was on the air. And then my next opportunity was Joe Benigo's house burned down. It was the day that Earnhardt died.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

And they didn't have anybody to do it, and so they. I was doing updates, and I'm like, can you do it? And I did that day. And I was a little. I was well versed in NASCAR at that particular point, so I was. It was good that I was on the air for that. And then it just. It just happened. But I just kind of. Kind of got thrown to the wolves. And I don't know if those emergency situations didn't. Didn't happen with Richard near not. Not being in on time and, And. And Joe having that, you know, tragedy of losing his house. I don't know if I. When it would ever happen. So I was, you know, humming Hum and I'm gonna. But I just did it. And, And I never remember, like, Chernoff, God bless him. I mean, I. I owe a lot to Mark Chernoff. He was. He was the PD over at Kroc when I interned there back in 1990. And so he really opened some doors for me. And so he's going over the tape with me and he's critiquing it. And I said, you know, I didn't know I was gonna be on the air, you know, and he's like, no, always be ready to be on the air, right? That's never an excuse to like, I wasn't prepared. No, always be ready. Yeah, you're doing updates, but who knows? The host could get sick. So you always, you've been begging to get this opportunity. You can't tell me. Well, I didn't know I was gonna be on the air. You always have to be ready. And since that day, I was like, I'm ready to do a monologue at the drop of ad. You could see me at the Willowbrook Mall and say, hey, Don, what do you think of this? And I'm gonna, I'll spit fire. Because like that's what he told me is like, you got to be ready. You don't know. Same thing with like play by play. Like, you know, you know, you're, you're, you're doing. I remember Robin Lumberg was doing the pre and post for the Knicks, and I forget who was doing the play by play at the time. Like didn't show up. And so he got thrown in to do the play by play. Like you never know when that opportunity is gonna present itself. You know, the guy on the bench, somebody gets hurt, you gotta jump in there and play. So now I do remember that. Do you remember what the topic was when they put you on the air?

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, I don't. All I remember is this because really I drew a blank. It was a three hour show. I was on a lot with Dave Rothenberg. Dave was kind enough. Like I would supposed to just do like hits after nick games. I'd come up and. Because back then the station was, you know, right by Madison Square Garden. It was a two pen plaza. And so I would just go upstairs after the postgame show and just sit in with Dave for like one segment after the post game show. Take a couple call, whatever. But I would like linger, I'd hang around because it was fun and you know, so ended up with sometimes like if the games were early, like Dave and I would be there for like an hour or two together taking calls, just, you know, kicking around, having fun. And, and I was, you know, I could talk Yankees, I could talk jets, like I was, you know, well versed in enough. And I listened to sports talk radio, you know, all the time. So I was so used to just, you know, because when you work with somebody that's just running the show, it's so easy to sit back and kind of let them run it. And you just chime in when you can. Then it started to become like, hey, why don't you come in and do this show on an off night. So I would start doing that with Dave. Or there was another. I can't. I think I might have, like, maybe even Brandon Tierney once. Like, I. I think you and I actually did a show once together. And so Justin Craig, just one day was like, hey, you're coming in on. I think it was like a Sunday night. So I went in, and I'm sitting there in the. In the. In the production, in the control room, and I'm waiting for whoever the host was going to be to come in, but I didn't know who it was going to be. Nobody's coming in. It was like two minutes before the show starts. I look at the producer, I'm like, where's the host? He's like, you're it. I'm like, me done. The first segment was 10 minutes long. About. I said all I had I could think of, and I thought, okay, that's probably got to be 10 minutes, right? There was still seven minutes left in the second. I had nothing left. I couldn't, you know, so I was sweating, like, literally, like my armpits soaked. I'm drenched, nervous, you know, thank God the call started coming in and somehow some way got through it. But, yeah, like, you think you're ready, right? Like, look, success is when preparation and opportunity meet. Right? We all know that. So prepared is the one thing that I always pride myself on being. So I had enough knowledge in my head. It was all the other stuff, you know, running a show, I guess you know better than anybody, there's a lot going on. There's a ton of moving parts. There's a lot you have to do. You pay attention to clock and everything else. It's not just talking. So that's where I. My head was spinning, man. I'm telling you, I couldn't wait for that show to end. But here we are. Not bad. Trial by fire, you know what I mean? 800 now. 193776. Speaking of which, again, for Aaron Glenn, it's sort of the same thing, right? Like, he's never done it before, but he's been around it enough to know what it's supposed to look like. And he's also been around some of the best coaches in the sport, one of them being Bill Parcells, who he played for, not not just with the jets, but also Parcells thought enough of him to bring him into Dallas when he went there. And Rich Samini reached out, as he. As you would think you would, reached out to Bill Parcells to get a quote about It. And Samini says Parcells doesn't get excited about too many things, but you could hear it in his voice. He was pumped up for Glenn. They still talk regularly. And he went on to say that Parcells said, I know he's done an awful lot of diligent work to prepare himself to be a pro coach. Worked hard over the years. He started in scouting, which is a very good place to start, and learned about personnel acquisition prototypes and things like that. He knows all of that. That, to me is part of the story with Glenn that I think we keep glazing over. He did put in the time. You know, he went into personal business after he was retired and he was successful at that. But as he told the story, it was eating at him. He loved football. He missed it. He would watch games and yell at the TV and all that stuff. And his wife finally said, why don't you just get back into it? This is what you're about. And he said it was like a weight was lifted off his shoulders that his family would give him that blessing of. We know it's going to take a lot out of you, time wise and everything else, but this is what you love. Go do what you love. And he did. But he didn't have the silver spoon. He went in just as Parcel said. He got into scouting first. Yes, he worked for the jets scouting. He was a low level coach. Found his way up the ladder to a point where he was a defensive coordinator on a very good team, had a top 10 defense and then became one of the hot head coaching candidates. And now he takes a job with the team that drafted him all those years ago in 1994, and a job that he calls his dream job, which is head coach of the New York jets. This is 15 years in the making. This is not somebody that is, you know, wet behind the ears.

[Don Hahn]

I think that's got an excellent chance to succeed, but you just don't know. They just don't know. Remember, Adam Gase was recommended by Peyton Manning.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So. And that's somebody that you respect and have knowledge of and had worked with him and knew him and recommended him and it didn't work out. You know, like I said, Bill Parcells recommended Ray Hanley. Ray Hanley was a part of a championship team. Clock management, running backs coach. Two things that the Giants did very well. Just couldn't handle being a head. Everybody's got their origin story, right, Alan. I mean everybody. We just talked about ours with going on the air. We've all dedicated ourselves to this Nobody gets to this level by accident. So I think every coach that has succeeded has an amazing origin story. And unfortunately every coach that worked their tail off. I keep thinking about Richie Pettibone who was an assistant under Gibbs for all those years in Washington. He finally got the opportunity to be that coach and he won three games and he was out and that was it. Never got another opportunity again. I mean, you pay your dues and sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. So there's the great unknown. But he, like I've been saying, we've been saying he checks a lot of boxes and there was somebody on hold that we didn't get to like. Why am I so hung up on Mike McCarthy? It's not that I love Mike McCarthy. If I, if Detroit, if Campbell resigned tomorrow and Detroit needed to hire a coach, I'm not sure Mike McCarthy would be the guy because I'm not sure he's going to win you a Super Bowl. But you know what I'll know he's going to do? He's going to win you 10, 11 games. He's going to have your team involved every year. You know, the jets hope to one day win a Super bowl, but at this stage, how about just making the playoffs? How about just winning double digit games, finishing above.500, you know, and that's what I think Mike McCarthy gives you the opportunity to do. Not hung up on him, just hey, I. A guy with some experience that you don't have to worry about. He's got a resume, something tangible I could wrap my mind around instead of just theories of what I think he's going to be. I know what Mike McCarthy is. I know his flaws and where the jets are right now, I would take that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And he's had success even, even with Dallas this past year. They had a ton of injuries and that definitely hurt him. But the two prior years, 26 wins, over two years, 13 wins. I mean, would you take that? Of course you'd take that because you know you're in it and you have a chance now what happens to him in the playoffs or late in games, those are things that, that becomes now your, your frustration. But you always need that coach that just gets you back on track. He might not be the one that gets you to the championship. Like Mark Jackson got the Golden State warriors on track. He got that franchise right. He started to establish who they were going to be defensive minded and all that stuff for a bunch of guys that were a lot of offensive minded players. But he wasn't going to Be the one to take them over the top. Steve Kerr came in at just the right time and was able to take him over the top. I mean, Jeff Collins and Phil Jackson in Chicago, it's all the same. Like, you've seen this before. Just get them on track, get them right. And, you know, that's what you were looking for with Mike McCarthy.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Because. Because again, Jeff, fans don't want. Your team's a joke right now. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, when you franchise that long, the Fran. Yeah, the franchise, not the team. I think the team is very good.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But it's not a respected franchise. You don't have a respected owner. There's a lot of things that don't exactly look great. If you're the New York jets right now, you just want to get back to being part of the conversation again and. And then you can go, and maybe we'll see if Glenn can do that. But you're right. Sometimes it's not the guy. Maybe Mike McCarthy's not the guy to lead you to a Super bowl, but at least get you on the right path.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

To help the next guy that gets you over the top.

[Alan Rosenberg]

800 now. 193776. Let's get some more calls in here, and Javier and Queen's been waiting a while. What's up, Javi?

[C]

Hey, what's going on, guys? Thanks for taking my call, as always. And kind of amazing show today. The ENN was very special. And your origin stories, I mean, you know, Chef's Kiss, this is pretty impressive stuff, guys.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And we sang. And we sang on the show earlier, too.

[C]

I mean, we've done everything. A multitude of things today. A lot of drops in there, but like, with the Jets. Right. Your last caller, that guy sounded insane. I think he was talking about The jets winning 12 games next year and Aaron Rodgers being his favorite player. He was like, look, like that's. That's my major issue with the jets, like, the last two seasons. Like, my big thing is not Salah, it's not Hackett. Right. It's the expectation. Right. They. They did the cardinal sin two years in a row of talking about the super bowl attached to the jets, even after Rodgers hurt his Achilles. So, like, it's about tempering the expectations. Like Aaron Glenn, anyone who calls and says one way or the other with Glenn, they don't know. But I just want 10 wins. I want to experience the playoffs for the first time in a long, long time. And also just with the hall of Fame, like what you guys are talking about, like, my first love is baseball. My dad came to his country, he already loved baseball. He's already a Yankee fan before he was even in this country. And that's why I'm into sports. But baseball, I love the game. But the hall of Fame, like, they're a little, like, elitist. They have very antiquated thinking, and, like, it's. It's. They're just kind of dumb. Like, when you think about it, Mariano Rivera is the only unanimous guy in. But he. He's not. And I'm a Yankee fan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's.

[C]

He's not the best player ever. He's also not even the best pitcher ever. Right? And in comparison to guys that haven't gotten in, like. Like Albert Bell, who has the numbers to get in. He's not a steroid guy. He's just, like, a hated, scary dude, and that's why he didn't get in. So, like, that's. That's what bugs you about the hall of Fame. I want to ask Alan a very quick question. Do you think Cece's number should be retired? I do. Because if you retired Jackson's number and he went in as a Yankee when he probably should have went in as an A, I think you. You retire his number. I think you retire it quickly because that shows him the proper respect. He was a good. He was a better Yankee than Jackson, and he was a better leader than Jackson when he was with the Yankees.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Reggie also was part of multiple championships. CC got that. That's. Yeah. Oh, nine. That's a big one. And I also think there's one thing, you know, it's a good question. It's fair. Now, I'm not a. I think Michael K. Probably has more an authoritative response to this than I would. I'm a fan. And so if they had announced it, would I say, oh, that's ridiculous? No, I would not. I'd be all for it. One thing that we all have to remember about CC Sabathia done is not only was he, you know, he was a great pitcher. He came up big in big spots for the Yankees. They did win a World Series with him as the horse. I also want to point out that when it came to the standard, who was the guy in that clubhouse that upheld it, that when Jeter retired, kept it going, that took the torch and made sure that the Yankee tradition and standard continued, and that if anybody ever messed with anybody wearing pinstripes, no matter who you were, you had to answer to CC Sabathia. That is something of the leadership aspect he took care of young players. But that idea that he took the standard for a guy that wasn't an original Yankee who came after the fact later in his career, but he took so much pride in being a Yankee that he made sure that that standard that has been carried on for decades, for generations, that while I'm here, that standard will continue on my watch. That goes a long way with me.

[Don Hahn]

I just want to mention the jets have tweeted out. It's official. They've agreed to terms with Aaron Glenn. So it's no longer just hypothetical. We knew it was coming, but the jets have made it official. You know, you said, I'm only a fan. To me, retired numbers are all about the fans. Like, I don't think the media gets involved in that. Obviously, the organization has to ultimately make the decision, but if the fans want it, give it to them. I mean, really, what is it about when you. When you put it up there, you put it up in the stadium, right? For fans to see. And there's just certain times where you don't look at the numbers. You just go by feel. And I think if you asked fans, the overwhelming majority would agree with you. I think. I think that is a fan thing. There's no standard. Like, you look at the Devils, like they're honoring Jacques Lemaire today. They're going to put him in their ring of honor. But one of the they're retired numbers is Ken Danico. Ken Danico's not in the hall of Fame. Candanico doesn't have numbers that blow you away, but he was a forever devil. The fans loved him, and they wanted his number three retired. And it's retired. Like, there could be people like that are outside the organization. A Ranger fan like Anthony might say, why is Ken Daniel's number retired? You don't get it. You're not a Devil fan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

Like, so I think that you said, no, I'm only a fan. No, I think you are the person or the people that should judge whose number is retired or not.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, I say do it for the exact reason why I gave his numbers, his resume as a Yankee. Tell you what he did. I don't think, you know, you could argue it, his performance in the uniform. But beyond that, like I said, I also think there was something about what he represented, which I think is very important when it comes to telling the history of this franchise. Now I know everybody's, how many numbers can you retire in that whole thing? I get it. I totally understand it. You know, he's not Whitey Ford, but there is still something about each generation that matters, and he certainly belongs there.

[Don Hahn]

But I gotta. I gotta tell you, you know, love the Yankees as much as you want. Tons of amazing players, but in recent vintage, not a ton of pitchers. And listen, Andy Pettit is a great Yankee, but he's not a Hall of Famer. To me, you know, CC Sabathia is in the hall of Fame. CC Sabathia spent more years with the Yankees than any other team. He spent eight with Cleveland. And the one year in Milwaukee, he's going to probably go in as a Yankee. So I'm not even a Yankee fan, but I wouldn't look at that and go, why are you retiring his number? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense to me because really, in the last 25 years, when you start listing the great pitchers in this organization, you know, Mike Messina jumps to mind. Andy Pettit, D.C. sabathia, right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Do you remember again, these are. I'm more about the stories, right? Because you could tell me about an unbelievable, like, you know, 12 strikeout performance or some type of shutdown thing or whatever. You could point all those out to me all you want. Those are great. What I loved are the little things about him that. This is what makes you a Hall of Famer. It goes beyond your talent on the field. You remember when he had that bonus, right?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, against the Rays. I was on the air when that happened. It was a day one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I will like to me that if that doesn't clinch it, when you do that and just basically say, like, I'm taking care of business here, it's going to cost me a quarter of a million dollars. I don't care.

[Don Hahn]

I don't care. Because being the leader of this team is more important.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What these guys think of me, right? What these guys think of me matters more. And that opposing team needs to know they can't get away with this. That. That's to. How does that not clinch it if you're a fan? Clinches What a great story that, like, think about 100 years from now, there's a father and son walking through Monument park and there's cece Sabathia. And the kid might say, who is this one, dad? Oh, where do you hear this story right now?

[Don Hahn]

That's the story, right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. Is there a better story than that one? That's the story. This is what he represented. He cared so much about his team as a leader. This is what he did. That's what it's all about the Apple.

[C]

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[Don Hahn]

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[C]

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[Don Hahn]

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[C]

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[Don Hahn]

The first time in glossy jet black aluminum compared to previous generations.

[C]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right, it's Wednesday, so it's time for the list. But we decided today we're gonna have two lists and this is done in in honor of the fact that the NHL is going to do their their quarter century teams for each franchise.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I mean it's a century team if you think about it. Because we've only had 25 years over into the 20. Wait, we have 25 years in the this century. But okay, so it basically means from 2000 on and you're going to do the Rangers, I'm going to do the Islanders, the Devil.

[Don Hahn]

The reason we're doing this is because the Devils are supposed to come out with theirs today. They haven't come out with it yet.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And they won a bunch of cups.

[Don Hahn]

And I'll throw, I'll throw a Devil's out there too. But. All right. But all we want to see, we really, when we did this list, we thought the Devils would be out already.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And then we'd be able to throw it out there. But as of right now at 6:30 they haven't done it yet.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So can you do a quick. Give me a quick Devils. Like what would you have? And I guess what we're going to do what we'll do three forwards, two defensemen and a goalie, right? Yes. All right, so give me, give me a double one real quick for the Devils.

[Don Hahn]

It's going to be Brode or.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And even though it's only four years each, I still can't think of anybody since 2000 that's better than Stevens and Nedemyer collectively went to seven All Star Games in that span. And Nedemyer's last year with the Devils won a Norris. So I've got Neder, Meyer and Stevens on the blue line and my forwards are going to be Patrick Eliash, only forward with his number retired, Zach Parisi. And I'm going. Brian Gianta, 48, goal scorer, seven years with the team over Travis Ajak. So that would be my Devils. We'll see what theirs are. Hopefully we'll have it before we're off the air.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right. My daughter Gracie, very upset. No, no Jack Q's.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's too soon.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm joking. I'm just saying think about it, right? Like I've got a family full of Ranger fans. My son is an Islanders fan and my daughter, for reasons unknown, haha, is a huge Devil's fans now. Huge Devil fan.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Gracie loves the Devils.

[Don Hahn]

So you want to start with the Islanders or.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, let me do that because we'll finish up with the Rangers. All right. So the Islander one. I remember everybody. I did cover this team for. This is the beginning of my career. So I actually covered the team going into this century, wrote a book about them. I wrote two books about them and they. This is when they ended a seven year drought without making the playoffs. It was a big deal back in 2002 when they finally did that. Peter Laviolette, for those who don't remember, that was his first coaching job. I was there, met him at the airport when he was hired and all that stuff.

[Don Hahn]

So his wife throw up that day or something?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes, yes. She jumped over me to get out of the car to throw up in the bushes in Garden City. That is a true story. She was pregnant though. I will point that out. Boys who are now probably, what are they almost in their 20s?

[Don Hahn]

There's no reflection on Long island, okay?

[Alan Rosenberg]

It was not about Long island, not at all. I was hoping it wouldn't be about the conversation we were having in the car either in the meantime. So keep in mind that I might lean a little bit to history, but I also have been paying attention to this franchise for a long time. I'm going to start at goaltender like you did. And no, this is not just because of relationships. But I think Rick D. Pietro is got to be the goalie and here's why. Look at his numbers. He was an all star. Maybe another Islanders all star goalie. Like he was an all star. He was. He played the most, he has the most wins and shutouts and everything else. He's right up there in the top five goaltending numbers statistically. He played a long time, nine years. Despite all the injuries and everything else. He's got to be the guy. Sorokin came later and yes, he's very good and Varlamov was good short term, you know, Halak, you know, Chris Osgood at the beginning, I was there with Chris Osgood. Ozzie was there for a year and a half, not long enough. So I'm giving it to Rick defenseman Kenny Onsen. Kenny Johnson's in the, in the franchises hall of Fame. He was a guy that every year was considered one of the top two way defensemen in the NHL. Very, very smart defenseman. He was a captain. He went through some lean years and I'll never forget his face when they finally clinched the playoffs that year in 02. There's a huge smile on his face, the euphoria. He scored a goal in that game too that they clinched. Nick Letty's the other one. I'm telling you, things went south for this franchise when they let him go. He was so good guy. That was always again, one of the top, you know, defenseman, a great offensive defenseman and part of some really, really tough, good playoff teams that they had. Now when it comes to the forwards, Brock Nelson's a given. He's been here a long time. He's one of the top goal scorers in the franchise's history and he's been, he's scored some big goals in his career. Matt Barzell, I'm going to give because again, all star, huge talent, one of the rare first rounders that turned into something special. And he's fun to watch when he's on and he's been good lately. Last but not least, I know everybody doesn't like it anymore, but you loved him when he was here. That was John Tavares. He was, you know, again the number one pick. He did help turn the franchise around another time where it got them back into the, the playoffs. Scored an unbelievable overtime goal, of course, to help him win a series. Like there's so much about John Tavares that when he was an Islander, he was one of the best that they've had in this quarter century. Now also, can I just do a quick, you know, honorable mention?

[Don Hahn]

Why not?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Alexei Yashin, you got to think of him. Michael Pekka, I, I thought he was one of my favorite players to cover. He's now a Rangers assistant coach. And then that identity line of, of Martin Tzikis and Clutterbuck. If I could have put them all three together. I know it's nuts. But again, the Islanders were at their best in these last 25 years because of that line. So you had to mention them. Any issues with what I've got so far?

[Don Hahn]

No. Zero.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right. What do you got for the Rangers?

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'm going To start and goal. Obviously a tenric. Long quest. That. That's easy. That was the easiest one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That Brodeur are the easiest ones you can come up with.

[Don Hahn]

Now the blue line's interesting because Adam Fox has to be there. He's won a Norris Trophy. He's an amazing defenseman. And he hasn't been here that long, but, you know, long enough. The other defenseman. Do you go stall. But let's talk. He was the captain.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Seems to be the given.

[Don Hahn]

But I'm gonna. He was the captain of the team eight years. I'm gonna go Ryan McDonough now. Now I can be swayed in a different direction. Like install was goal. But they're really. You know, people say. What about Brian Leach? Brian Leach was gone by like, what, 03?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And it was the tail end of his career.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's 90s.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Michael Roosevelt was a nice defenseman. You know, let's not get crazy. Yeah, let's not get crazy. Ryan McDonough Just because of the captain. Now the forwards got to be. Amir Yagur. Should have won the MVP in 06. Should have won the heart. They gave it to Thornton.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

Chris Kreider. Now, before you roll your eyes, all right, Chris Kreider has, I think. Was it 319. That's third most in Rangers history. Okay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And he's gonna. And. And he's gonna end up being second by the time the season is over. So Chris Kreider is there and listen, he hasn't been here that long, but Artemi Panarin already has 500 points as a Ranger. I can't think of any other forward that I would put there other than Artemi Panarin. Short period of time was it only been five years, but 500 points points already fastest to 500 of any Ranger in any period of time. Actually got the 500 points faster than Mark Messier while he was here. And Mess was at the end of his career, too. I know Mess did spill into the 2000s.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But. And was there up until, you know, at the end of the lockout or when the seal the 04 probably would have played 04.05. But then the lockout and then he retired right after that. So I've got my forwards, Jagger Kreider, Panarin, defenseman McDonough, Fox, and Henrik Lundquist is my goaltender.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Interesting. Are there any other forwards like that were like, sort of on the fringe that you were thinking of? Because I'm trying to rack my brain.

[Don Hahn]

Marion Gabric was a really good forward, but only here for what, three, four years. Not a ton of time. Yeah, maybe Amica's advantage ads in the conversation too. I know it hasn't aged well recently, but Mika was a really good forward for this team. But you know, you're talking about Panarin with 100 points. Panarin 500. In a short period of time I almost.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Theo Fleury here was. He was. He was.

[Don Hahn]

He was here. He was here for. Yeah, he was here for a bit of time.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Brendan Shanahan was here for a bit of time too.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Cups of coffees for a lot of guys that were really good players. But those are my. And Ranger fans can argue and for the Devils quickly. Yeah, we did the Devils already. That's right. I did it earlier. Still waiting for them to come up with their list. So that's what we have. Those are our Rangers, Islanders and Devils lists.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right. Anthony is a hockey expert and he's a big Rangers fan. Anthony, any problems with any of these lists?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[D]

Don and I on gameis conduct which you can get by the way, wherever you get your podcasts have kind of been kicking the tires on these a little bit. I didn't know Johnson very well. The Islander that you mentioned.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Johnson sings.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly. That's all you have to say.

[D]

Exactly. I love Rick is the goalie. I think it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think again push back because again like you know, and if somebody calls in and says Wade Dublowitz, I'm hanging up on you. Never show again. Right. Because that was a short term thing. Everybody loved him.

[Don Hahn]

But Wade was big that year. They made the playoffs down the street.

[D]

I don't have too many loved him.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But Osgood Snow like you could, you know, you can make your. Garth Snow was very good when he was, you know in that at times. You know they all had like a playoff series the first. Ozzy had the first one. Snow had the second one. Rick was there for the third one. That those three years they made the play playoffs in the beginning they went to three. They went through coaches like it was crazy what they went through back then.

[Don Hahn]

Ood's only two years but he was. He was. He was record. He was like.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He was very good.

[Don Hahn]

Games above.500.

[D]

Harvey also believes it should be Zack. By the way.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Don is Zack really that. That big of an.

[Don Hahn]

He just. He. He.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No Adam Henrique.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not putting Adam Henriques. You know, Ranger fans will get upset. He did have a big goal. That's a John to scored 4:48 for a team that's never had a 50 goal score to have 48 goal. He was, listen, Travis was a. Was a forever. He's played over a thousand games with the Devils.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But. And then I think, like, I'm thinking of like Soroka. I'm thinking of John Madden. Like they had some guys that were like, big part of what.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because I was thinking like Jason Arnott. Yo.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Jamie Langenbruner. There was a. You know, it's. But I'm going to stand by my list.

[D]

Yeah, I think. I think probably. I think Barzell's great. I think. I wonder if there is a different forward there for the Islanders. I just can't think of one right now.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Trying to think, like, what you get Franz Nielsen, like, what are you doing here?

[D]

Yeah, it could be. Honestly, you might even go Josh. You could go Josh Bailey.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Josh Bailey.

[D]

He's gotten a lot of the statistics that put him up there in Islanders. He was there forever. And then Don, kind of like what Alan was saying for, I think McDonough, Stahl, Girardi. I think one of those three, you really can't go wrong.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Girardi's a good one, too.

[D]

And again, that's longevity and the numbers aren't there. But everybody knows.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like Stall, though. Always was always a fan of Stahl's game. Like, he brought it.

[Don Hahn]

Even though Anthony did a great job with the tweet all quarter century team. But I just know he's a veteran of the lists. People are going to be like, where's Roger? It's since 2000.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just preemptively since 2000. All right. So that's why there's no Mark Messier.

[D]

I really thought I screwed up something.

[Don Hahn]

No, no. I just. Because people, you don't pay attention. Like, oh, Mike Bossi, 2000, 2000.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That are just, you know, you're gonna get those. You're definitely gonna get those.

[D]

But Mike Richter won a cup, Don.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. And it technically. Right. When. When did. When was Ricky done? Was that because, remember they went through that. Remember that? The. The Dan Cloutier and Almontoya years.

[D]

He was. He was done in O3 03. But he only played 13 games.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, he went through a lot.

[D]

His statistics in the 2000s aren't, of course, just being there. You could say that he was the all quarter century because he won them a cup, but it wasn't in that quarter century. So I would say that going with.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Hank, I mean, anybody that argues with Hank, you don't know what you're talking about. Do you remember. Do you remember, like, when Fox had the NHL and they had those Saturday afternoon games, you know, the glow Puck and all that crazy stuff that they had going on, but they still. They would have these games. Do you remember? Tommy Sallow was a goalie for the Islanders and they were playing some Saturday afternoon game at the Coliseum. Dan Cloutier was the goalie for the Rangers and they had their typical. Where it was just an awful game of hockey. But yeah, of course, it's Islands, Rangers. Somebody had to fight somebody.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And it got ugly. And then Tommy Sallow, because Clue was getting it. Get into. He was a tough dude and he's a goalie now, and he was getting into it. Some people. So Salo comes down the ice as if, like, you know, I guess I gotta step in here. And I mean, the absolute beating this poor guy took from Dan Cluche. I mean, it was like I was in the press box going, oh, my God, somebody step in. But you couldn't because everybody was paired off and there was only two lines, but they could only do so much. And this poor guy is just getting absolutely pummeled.

[Don Hahn]

I remember that. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Chris and Tony island wanted to submit Zook as a possibility for the Rangers.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Zuccharel is a good one.

[D]

Do you think we'll get these right guys? Because they will come out eventually. The Devils might wait till tomorrow, but they will come out eventually.

[Don Hahn]

Giving me heat about Fox. Like, dude, Fox has been here since 1920. No, 1920. Yeah, 2000. But he's already. He finished fourth in the Calder for Rookie of the Year. He's won a Norris. He finished second in the Norris and fifth in the Norris. Actually, he's finished in the top five in the Norris four out of his first six years. He's a plus, 144, 114.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You could argue that he's the. He's the most decorated Ranger defenseman since Li. Right?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I mean, so what are we talking about?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, just. People like to argue, but I like.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Steve, but that's what we do. That's why we make lists, so we can argue about said lists. Right. Well, we'll finish up with what Aaron Glenn said in a statement when the jets officially announced him as head coach. Something he said in a message to the fans that I think is very telling. That is coming up before we call it a day. But first, may I introduce you, Don and Anthony and everybody else to an SUV where everything for every passenger feels just right. That is the all new 2025 Infiniti QX80. It's Infiniti's most luxurious full size three row SUV. It's full of customizable and advanced features. The audio system in this thing absolutely bumps over 20 speakers in this. It really like the kids grab the aux. They got their music bumping and they love it. But the best thing is if I get a call, it isolates calls or even directions right to the driver's seat. So if I get a call and everybody's in the car, you can keep your business personal. They don't have to hear what you have to say or what people are saying to you. Customizable shades. You can set 64 different ones. Just set the mood. Two rows of heated and cooled massage seats. Ultimate in relaxation and luxury. And it's got tons of room. It's got a third row, but it's a legit third row. Adults fit in this third row. Trust me. We have had a lot of family around the last week or so with all the different things going on in our personal lives. And it has been great to be able to fit everybody all together in one car. And that's what I love. My family loves about the QX80. So why don't you discover you're just right. Visit infinityusa.com to learn more about the all new Infiniti QX80. Availability of features may vary by trim level, packaging and options. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. So you're not a Guns N'ROSES guy, right? I gotta feel.

[Don Hahn]

No, you're not. Yeah, I am not a Guns. But I do like this song.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

There's a few songs I like. I respect them. I just.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Was a great song.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, dude, great down and finish a show. I mean, let's be honest. All right. That's all I'm saying.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But. But I'll tell you what. Out of. Out of all the stuff they put out, GNR lies. The acoustic album is insane.

[Don Hahn]

No, listen, they were town. They were a good band. I just thought that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, I know. Got over the top.

[Don Hahn]

Appetite for Destruction was a little. They went a little crazy with that as far as like how amazing I listen. It was. It was a great first, you know, debut album and all that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, that's a no Skips album, my friend.

[Don Hahn]

They sm. They just messed it up. I mean they were so good. They waited and you could Say, with the drugs and everything, but they waited too long for the second album. It was like four years. You had to wait.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, then use your illusion. One and two came out. Those are very good.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, there's. There's a lot that I do like. I just. I'm not a. A fan, say live because I didn't want to sit there and wait, you know, three hours for them to show up.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's true, too. One of my favorites, though. One of my favorites. Just real quick here. Aaron Glenn again, the statement put out between, you know, on the jets official statement. They have one from him. And just one thing that stood out to me, he said this at the end of his statement to our players. Prepare to be coached with everything we have. That's our. Our responsibility. I asked that we share the same vision, and that's working towards winning a championship. He said, working towards. Okay, the last line is this to our fans, simply put, expect a winning team that you will be proud of. Do you think it's interesting that he said, working towards winning a championship instead of my goal is to win a championship?

[Don Hahn]

No, I think that's smart, right? Working. Because the last core made a good point. Like, since Rogers has been here, it's like, super bowl or bust.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's my pointing it down.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Working towards. Don't expect, like, if he just, you know, like, Rex came in, like, I'm not kissing the ring. We're gonna win a championship, like, and it's fine. You want to fire people up, but I thought it was very carefully worded. Working towards. I found that to be interesting. Okay, good stuff out of the gate. So tonight we got some hockey Devils at home against the Bruins, and it is Jacques Lemaire night. They're going to put him in the ring of honor, which is well deserved, certainly done. And you know what? Great memories of those days.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I just. I just wanted to show some love. Devils don't get a ton of it. And I think everybody that listens to the show knows I grew up a Devil fan. And when he came over in 93, 94, the year before Herb Brooks got them in the playoffs, they were beaten by Pittsburgh in five games. And then Jock came in and listen, so did Brodeur, and there's a lot of good players, too, but, like, Jock came in and just completely changed the culture. They go. They go to the conference final, lose to the Rangers in seven games, and then they go out and you win the cup in 95. And he just put them on the map. Alan he did. I know they had their run in 88 to the conference final, but Jacques Lemaire put them on the map. And I thought this was well deserved honor for him. But I'll never forget. You'll appreciate this. As a reporter, I was covering the Devils for like Sports Phone, which meant I cover games because I was the only guy that lived in Jersey and I'd make my 15 bucks going to Devil games. I was a fan and I got the COVID Steve Goldstein was actually the one that trained me. My first Devil game was a Devil Canadian game. Steve Goldstein went on to become the voice of the Florida Panthers. And I don't know if you've ever seen this in your life, Alan. So it's 1993, season's over. The Devils are going to announce their head coach. It's at the Winners Club at the Meadowlands. Everybody's in there. It's the only press conference, I think, since no one knew who they were introducing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

Luke kept it close. Didn't know who was going to come out from behind the curtain. Yeah, like, have you ever seen that? Like, usually things get leaked out under Lou's watch. And I got it's the Devil. So it wasn't like a billion people were trying to uncover this, but like didn't know he was going to introduce. And it's Jacques Lemaire and it's a former Canadian, a Hall of Famer Canadian. And it really opened the whole thing that where like, you know how the Rangers kind of use the former Oilers.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

The Devils use the former Canadians. They bring in Claude Lemieux, they bring in Stephon Riche, and you know, obviously Larry Robinson is an assistant coach and all that and just really ushered in really putting the Devils, you know, on the map. And they probably, they're probably in Nashville if it's not for Jacques Lemaire. So he definitely deserves his due. He's 80 or he's going to be 80s pretty soon. So he did a great job in Minnesota, if you remember too took them to the conference final, I think in their second year or whatever.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So he was a guy, he believed in his system. Right. And that's something that, you know, I mean, the good and the bad, they were a great team with great goaltending. But he also had his defensive system that was literally like just. It stifled you. You got suffocated by this. It was, I guess it was left wing lock, right. That's what they were they calling you.

[Don Hahn]

Trap is what they call called the trap, which and in Detroit used a left wing lock. But Detroit had a ton of hall of Fame goal scorers and. But I thought the devil's. I think they got a bad rap for the, for the trap. No. No rhyme intended.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well done.

[Don Hahn]

But no, that would really put him on the map. So I'm glad that they're honoring. They should be a pretty cool night of the Rock tonight.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Absolutely. And again, it's on msg, so you can certainly watch it there. And they'll put him up. He's the third name to go in that they're doing this ring of honor. So he's. He's the third. Do you know the other two are.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I know the retired numbers are Eliash Stevens, Nita Meyer, Danico, oh, Sergey Breland and.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And. And John McMullen are the other two.

[Don Hahn]

So this is. I guess this is the stage below number retirement.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because the numbers Brodeur, Scott, Stevens, Nedemyer, Donaco and Eliash.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Like you said, Breland's the forgotten guy that was on all three cups.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He was so good. I covered. I covered the 2000. I covered a lot of those runs. I covered the 2000 runs of the Cup. That, that Dallas overtime Arnott goal was amazing. That one zero three. I was around that team a lot back then. And, and he was. He was so good. They were such a good team, Gomez and them. Really great team. So it'd be fun to watch that tonight. Don, I will see you tomorrow.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.