Hour 4: TNF Picks

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Hour 4: TNF Picks — September 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively episode brings together ESPN New York voices Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg for the show's signature blend of sports banter, inside jokes, and bold predictions. The trio addresses upcoming NFL games with their Thursday Night Football (TNF) picks, delves into creative show punishments for failed picks, debates NFC odds, and takes energetic calls from fans. The episode is punctuated with the personalities’ trademark wit, friendly ribbing, and insightful sports commentary—perfect for NY sports enthusiasts and anyone who loves football season energy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Show Punishments: “Clown Show” Bets (00:54–04:35)

• Listener David calls in to resurrect the “clown show” punishment for last-place pickers, suggesting the loser of NFL picks should dress as a traditional clown—think Bozo, not Joker—and become internet meme fodder.

  • The gang laughs about the idea's viral potential: “Like the videos from the show that day will be you... Full on clown, full clown outfit, man.” (C, 02:00)
  • Social media and real-life implications are debated, with Alan noting, “For a negotiated period of time, your face in clown makeup, your avatar on Twitter for like a month.” (A, 04:04)
  • The crew settles on a week for the Twitter avatar as a fair balance.
  • Alan jokes about being at a different stage in his life, questioning whether he’d go as far as getting another tattoo, only for Don to tease that he was planning to update his show tattoo anyway.

• Purpose: These punishments are supposed to motivate participants to win and give fans something to look forward to, moving beyond soft penalties: “It’s a punishment. It motivates you to win. It gets the fans excited that the loser had to do something.” (A, 04:17)

2. Punishment Debates: “Whopper-gate” and Restaurant Challenges (06:11–09:34)

• Rehashing the infamous incident where Michael K almost threw up eating a Whopper as a “penalty.” The crew questions whether Michael's disgust was real or performative.

  • Peter: “No human could feel that delicious, delicious mayonnaise slathered meat in their mouth...” (C, 06:49)
  • Alan confesses his dislike for mayo, but acknowledges, “On a burger, you take that mayonnaise and ketchup together...” (A, 07:00)

• New Punishment Idea: Producer Anthony suggests the popular “24-hour in a restaurant” punishment, where your time is reduced based on how much you eat.

  • Peter dismisses the idea for health reasons: “I'm going to kickboxing every day with arthritic knees—throw it all away like that?” (A, 08:26)
  • They joke about the grim prospect of such an unhealthy challenge—“All of a sudden just kill... Die two days later.” (D/C, 08:42–08:44)
  • Health update: Peter shares he doesn’t need surgery for his torn meniscus, just optional care. (C, 08:57)

3. Thursday Night Football (TNF) Picks: Cowboys vs. Eagles (11:43–14:43)

• Alan’s Three-Point Play: Alan throws his full weight behind Dallas covering the +8.5 spread against Philadelphia:

  • “My three point play, the Dallas Cowboys cover the eight and a half.” (A, 12:31)
  • Admits it’s risky to pick the opener but feels most confident here.
  • Don supports the logic: “The Eagles have no idea what the Cowboys offense is going to look like... It's a new play caller. It's a new system... They do have a decent running game. Dak is healthy.” (D, 13:04)
  • Emphasizes that the wider world may underestimate the Cowboys due to last season’s injuries, especially since Dak Prescott plays well early in seasons: “It's a business decision... One thing Dak does... you know, plays well against the Eagles and he plays well to start seasons. It’s usually he fades more in the second half.” (A, 13:30–13:41)

• Peter’s Skepticism: Notes how weird and awkward week one divisional games can be, but doesn’t hate Alan’s pick.

  • “These games are always awkward. They play weird games... like a Super Bowl. Like it's an awkward stop and start.” (C, 14:12)

4. NFC Odds and “Disrespect” (15:07–16:14)

• Brief discussion on NFC championship odds seen on TV during the break:
  • Peter realizes his “Commies” (Commanders) are ranking below teams like the 49ers, Packers, Lions, and Eagles.
  • “You really want everybody picking you?” (A, 15:28)
  • The group discusses why odds reflect not just team strength but schedules and divisions, referencing San Francisco’s “cakewalk” schedule compared to Washington’s. (E, 16:18–16:43)

5. More Listener Calls: Odds, Drops, Food Banter, Tennis (16:14–20:35)

• Danny from Long Island offers insight into how betting odds are set, underscoring the impact of divisional competition and schedule difficulty.
• Callback to “drop madness” and Peter’s colorful description of Whopper-gate: “That delicious, delicious mayonnaise slathered meat in their mouth.” (C, 17:09)
• Richard in Manhattan: Asks about the Yankees’ franchise value, then shifts to US Open tennis:
  • Richard highlights Amanda Anisimova's upset over Iga Swiatek, and storylines involving Naomi Osaka, Novak Djokovic, and the incredible atmosphere and drama of this year’s tournament.
  • “Djokovic versus Alcaraz. Gotta go for 20,000 tomorrow... This is some unbelievable US Open...” (G, 19:12–20:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Punishments:

  • Alan: “You'd have to dress up like a clown for the clown show.” (A, 01:45)
  • Peter: “No, you have to be clown.” (C, 02:15)
  • Don: “Gotta be, like, like Bozo.” (D, 02:16)
  • Alan: “[Michael K’s Whopper moment]... it's a punishment. It motivates you to win. It gets the fans excited that the loser had to do something.” (A, 04:17)

• Food Antics:

  • Peter (on Michael K and the Whopper): “No human could feel that delicious, delicious mayonnaise slathered meat in their mouth.” (C, 06:49)
  • Alan: “I not love it. I hate mayonnaise.” (A, 06:55)

• Football Picks:

  • Alan: “My three point play, the Dallas Cowboys cover the eight and a half.” (A, 12:31)
  • Don: “The Eagles have no idea what the Cowboys offense is going to look like... It's a new play caller. It's a new system... Dak, historically against the Eagles, does well.” (D, 13:04)

• Odds & Disrespect:

  • Peter: “You really want everybody picking you?” (A, 15:28)
  • Alan: “It’s a business decision that I'm making.” (A, 13:33)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Show Punishment Debate (Clown Show): 00:54–04:35
• Whopper-Gate and Restaurant Challenge Discussions: 06:11–09:34
• Health & Surgery Update (Peter’s Knee): 08:57–09:34
• TNF Three-Point Play (Cowboys +8.5): 11:43–14:43
• NFC Odds and “Disrespect”: 15:07–16:14
• Listener Danny (Betting Odds Logic): 16:14–16:54
• Listener Richard (Yankees Value and US Open Tennis): 18:11–20:35

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Tone & Style

The episode lives in the fun, fast-paced, slightly irreverent zone: playful, opinionated, and always teasing the line between fan banter and serious (if never too serious) analysis. The hosts keep things sharp with inside jokes, lively debates, and good-natured ribbing, making it highly entertaining for anyone plugged into New York sports culture.

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Bottom Line:
Whether you want NFL picks, locker-room-style punishments, or deep-dives into tennis and fast food, this episode is a whirlwind of New York sports talk—full of memorable moments and classic DHR energy.

Transcript

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[E]

Gentlemen. Alan, you weren't around the last year. We heard the clown show chant for weeks during the NFL season. And I'd really, really love to ask you to run a poll because I feel like that was a great, great idea and K dropped out of it using that excuse that none of us will ever believe. But I really think the people would love for that to be what ends up being the determining factor.

[A]

I'm good with that. Just you'd have to dress up like a clown for the clown show.

[D]

Clown show.

[A]

And even though we don't have.

[D]

What do you have to do?

[A]

Well, just, just you'd have to dress up like a clown.

[C]

And like the videos from the show that day will be you like, so there'll always be Internet videos of you.

[D]

Full on clown, full clown outfit, man.

[C]

I think we do a whole social.

[D]

Media kind of clown. You want or does it have to be like, like the. The traditional.

[C]

I think it's traditional.

[A]

Goofy. No, you don't get to look cool like the Joker. I can't do the Joker.

[C]

No, you have to be clown.

[D]

Gotta be like, like bozo.

[A]

Bozo, yes. You got to be Bozo. I love it. David, thank you for reminding Me terrible. Especially how weak Kay was to back out because he could have still made the picks. He had a show, but he didn't do it. And I was. It was disrespect. I love it. David, thank you so much. Yeah. Because we. Even though we don't. We're not on tv. We have the video component.

[D]

Not yet.

[A]

And then we. We can get Jake to do a video before. And we're just walking around getting coffee. Just walking around the city. Maybe coming early. Just walk around the city.

[C]

Maybe have lunch first. Yeah.

[A]

We go out to a restaurant and with the. With the horn and the nose and the big shoes.

[C]

Clown shoes require a little bit of work, but it's. It's a worthwhile. Like that's pretty embarrassing. And the meme living is embarrassing. And we get to play the clown show drop all the time. There's a lot of upside.

[A]

And also I would say for a negotiated period of time, you, your face in clown makeup, your avatar on Twitter for like a month.

[D]

But now you really. That's.

[A]

Or a week.

[C]

How about a week?

[A]

That's a lot.

[C]

A week. A week is.

[A]

Week is fair.

[C]

A week is manageable. That's light. A month starts to get.

[D]

I mean, I'm spending a whole tattoo on your videos. Yeah, I know.

[C]

He's the thing. He's gone through a lot.

[A]

Allen's at a different stage in his life. I don't think he'd ever do that. I don't think he'd agree to be tatted again. Excuse me, would you?

[D]

I guess I'm not gonna do what I plan on doing.

[A]

What is that?

[D]

It's gonna tat the show logo on right next to it.

[A]

You mean cover in lieu of the clown?

[D]

No, no, no. Not in lieu of the clown. That's just on my own. Just figured it was time to upgrade to update.

[A]

Oh, that just the resume. No, that's something you want to do.

[D]

I was like, oh, he wouldn't do.

[A]

It now because you seem like you were anti Avatar for a while.

[D]

The Avatar thing is like it's.

[A]

You are covering Nicks and then people are going to be going to you for Nick's information. It'd be a clown face. I could be doing Devil Jury or something. The devils want me to use my social media during games and it's not good.

[D]

Listen, I feel like that's.

[A]

But the point is this is what Michael never got the point. It's punishment. It motivates you to win. It gets the fans excited that the loser had to do something. Other than get his hair colored. Eat a delicious Whopper.

[C]

I mean, that was truly the Whopper one.

[D]

That one really got me because it's like, that's your punishment. For most people, that's like the treat.

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[A]

Your life's on the line. Peter, getting this question right, was it performative during the Whopper eating when Michael almost vomited?

[C]

I no. Part of me actually believes that Michael K was disgusted by the Whopper going.

[D]

Down his throat, thought that was an act, played that up.

[C]

I think there's a part deep in his brain where he mentally cheated himself into like, oh, this is gross. It wasn't a real feeling.

[G]

You can't.

[C]

No human could feel that delicious, delicious mayonnaise slathered meat in their mouth.

[A]

And I. I not love it. I hate mayonnaise.

[C]

Not on a Whopper, you don't.

[A]

Because the Whopper's just like the combination.

[C]

If you were to tell Me, the combination of. Of mayonnaise and ketchup and grease. It sounds disgusting. Mayonnaise and ketchup.

[D]

Burger, mayonnaise, ketchup and relish. Special sauce.

[C]

That's special sauce.

[D]

Come on.

[C]

But on a burger, you take that mayonnaise and ketchup together and yet. Michael, protect.

[A]

Oh, Anthony, the floor is yours.

[H]

Well, I have an interesting one. I've seen this before. I haven't done it yet, but have you guys seen the ones where the loser of you have to pick a restaurant and you have to stay 24 hours in the restaurant. The kicker is the more you eat and certain items knock minutes, hours off of your time there. So if we can get a sponsor, Smashburger, one of our lovely sponsors, I would take my time and you would do 24 hours. We'll get the social team out there in a restaurant or a fast food establishment and the loser, lowest picks has to stay there for 24 hours by eating and the amount of time spent there.

[A]

So you could just sit there for 24 hours not doing.

[H]

You could sit there for 24 hours not doing anything. If it's not 24 hours, that's a problem.

[A]

Like if it's something. Well, you'd have to find a restaurant that's open 24 hours that has a different variety.

[H]

They've done it at IHOPs and Denny's where it's like a pancake is 30 minutes and then eggs are.

[A]

What would you serve at Denny's? That would be awful.

[C]

It's not about the awful. It's about how much can you eat.

[H]

How much and how much time.

[C]

Well, no, thank you. No. It's not meant to be healthy.

[A]

I know, but I'm just meant to be a punishment. I'm trying, man. I'm going to kickboxing every day with arthritic knees.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Throw it all away like that.

[C]

You can't do it. By the way, I met with the.

[A]

Because that could be a way. Like if God forbid, one of us passes away, they'll look back to that as the real.

[D]

Wouldn't that be something, right? All of a sudden just kill.

[C]

Die two days later.

[D]

And what happened? The caloric implosion.

[C]

Now I don't know if that's a thing, but I sounded good.

[A]

Sounds like Anthony wants one of us.

[C]

Dead on the table now. Now, by the way, 1, 2, 3.

[A]

Looks good.

[C]

Now I did go to the surgeon today at HSS and get check. We get the knee checked out. The old, the torn meniscus okay. And I got good news. It does not sound like it is a surgery situation. It's a surgery optional situation. Like, if it continues to bother me, they can go in arthroscopically and just shave off the little part that's messed up and I'd be all right. So I'm very excited about this. You guys weren't here that day. It was not good. The limp that day. Anthony, can you describe how bad the limp was?

[H]

Oh, walking wounded.

[C]

It was not good.

[H]

It wasn't. It was. First time I saw him in a month.

[C]

Yeah, but it was the worst.

[H]

I was like, he came out of an army.

[C]

I was so excited to walk in the room like, I'm gonna see Ty for the first time in forever. I haven't seen John and Anthony and Jacob in a month, whatever it was. And I'm so psyched to like jump in the room like guys. And instead I limp in pathetically because I injured myself on steps.

[D]

Self sabotage.

[C]

It's not good. But the surgery will be avoided.

[D]

No surgery.

[C]

The season will stop. So we'll be all right. The season will not stop.

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[A]

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[C]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[C]

All right.

[A]

It's the moment of truth. It's Thursday and you guys know if I pick the Thursday game, it's always a three point play. I think it's your gutless puke if you don't go three. It's hard to do the homework in week one and it's really moronic to throw a three point play on the literally the first game of the season. But eight and a half is a big number for Philadelphia. It is. And I was looking at social media. Des Bryant just tweeted out I dropped 50k on the boys starting the season off right. Let's go Cowboys.

[D]

Does he have a receipt?

[A]

I got Twitter and Des never lied to me before. Okay, so my three point play, the Dallas Cowboys cover of the eight and a half.

[D]

33333.

[A]

And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that's a dope.

[C]

That's a big man pick. Well, here's the. Just threw it right on the table.

[A]

Well, here's the thing. I have to have a three point play, right? And this is the game that I'm feeling the best of. So why lay out what's the difference if I do it Thursday where people are all going to be able to hear it or it's a Sunday game that I'm not feeling, but I got to give a three point play, so. All right, three point play.

[D]

Now I'll give you a reason for optimism.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

The Eagles have no idea what the Cowboys offense is going to look like.

[A]

No.

[D]

They don't know what they're going to do.

[C]

No.

[D]

Because it's a new play caller. It's a new system. Right. They had George Pickens and now you add another wide receiver along with CD Lamb. There are more options. They do have a decent running game. Dak is healthy. There's a lot of. And by the way, Dak, historically against the Eagles, does well. So there's a lot of reasons for you to feel this way. So it's not.

[A]

I do.

[D]

It's not, it's. It's not the crazy pick that you might be trying to portray that it is.

[A]

You know everybody. And listen, I'm no Cowboy fan, I'm no Eagle fan, but it's a business decision that I'm making.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Is that everybody just thinks the Cowboys are going to be a dumpster fire. And they were 7 and 10 last year with Dak being out for half of the season. And one thing Dak does as you Said, you know, plays well against the Eagles and he plays well to start seasons. It's usually he fades more in the second half. So I'm going to go with the Cowboys to cover the eight half. You guys, anybody else partake eight wins last year? There were seven and 10 last year. He missed. Oh, he only played in eight games.

[D]

Well, he was. I thought they got the.

[C]

Well, listen, if you believe the Micah Parsons hype going to Green Bay, then you should believe that him leaving Dallas means they're going to lose by 75 points tonight. But I'm not touching. I don't think it's a horrible pick because also these games are always awkward. They play weird games. They kind of play like a Super bowl. Like it's an awkward stop and start.

[D]

And they're, they're very sloppy for the most part. And again you don't know what the other team is. They don't know who you are.

[C]

Let's say Dallas gets up fluky early seven nothing. Now you're getting 15 and a half points. And these offenses aren't gelling in week one, so making that up can be hard. I don't hate the pit.

[D]

Only thing working against you is the Eagles offense. They are the well oiled machine they were a year ago.

[A]

That is true.

[C]

Now during the break we were looking up at the old tv. Sure, they showed the NFC champion odds. My commies were behind San Francisco. Who are we tied with? San Francisco and the Rams.

[H]

San Francisco. You were behind the Lions, Eagles and someone else.

[C]

Yeah, who was am I forgetting?

[D]

Niners, Packers.

[C]

You were behind the Packers, Lions, Eagles. Packers.

[H]

Tied with the Niners.

[C]

Tied with the Niners. It was like they were like fifth. You know what, But Alan's right. I like it. I like the disrespect. Who wants to be called?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You really want everybody picking you?

[C]

No, you don't.

[D]

You don't. But I mean disrespect.

[C]

San Francisco.

[D]

Yeah, I don't get that.

[A]

That's the one, that's the part that.

[C]

You tied with San Francisco is what I just think.

[A]

I think people just don't believe Sophomore jinx. They won a few fluky games last year, but you know what? They played well. Listen, even some of the. They caught some breaks for sure. You know the Tampa game, the fumble, they could have lost. They could have been out right away, you know, but still, I think there's a chance that Daniels can get even better.

[C]

Right? Well that's the thing. When everyone looks at the stuff, you can look at any team and look at all the lucky things that happen throughout the course of a run. We can all point to that, right? I mean, look at the Ravens. We could be talking about the Ravens in the super bowl if Mark Andrews doesn't freakishly drop a ball. But he did.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Danny, Long island, you're on espn, New York. What's up, Danny?

[E]

Couple of things, men. First of all, great show as always. You know, when you're looking at these odds, these future odds, they take into account a lot of factors, not just how good your team is. If you look at the San Francisco 49ers schedule, it's a cakewalk. They're not as good as the Redskins. I'm sorry, commanders. But they certainly have an easier path to get there. And that's a big part of the futures bets. Who you playing when you're playing? It's not just a referendum on which team is better.

[G]

That's.

[E]

The Commanders are in the division with this defending super bowl champion. So right away, they have a harder time to win a division, to even get a home playoff game. So that. Don't. Don't take it personal, Pete. That's. These are betting odds.

[C]

Yeah, no, you're right. That's a good point.

[E]

Point number two, if we were still doing drop madness, Peter's description of Michael's Whopper as mayo slathered and mayo slathered beef in your mouth would be a solid number six in the Peter category.

[A]

And it's a. Maybe we might bring this back.

[C]

That delicious, delicious mayonnaise slathered meat in their mouth.

[E]

And I did witness that event live, and I called up afterwards. It was horrifying. I don't think so. I think, Michael, normal people with normal. You eat normal food. Cannot imagine a Whopper making you throw up. People. Michael K. In his head, that was a horrifying moment. I thought he was gonna die. I thought that was literally gonna be the end of the show right on the air. Speaking of food, by the way, how many calories is Chris Carlin ingesting tonight at Calandra's Italian Restaurant? Bakery, Delicatessen and Pizzeria combo? Is there an under over on that? Are we going to get a Collins corner table?

[A]

I thought, well, I would hope so, but they are sponsors, so he better make sure that they. That he does it right. I don't want to make fun of Carlin. The food is good, but I'm sure he's. He's going to get his fill. Harvey got an appetite, too?

[D]

Yes, he does. Carlin doesn't get cheated.

[A]

All Right. Let's close it out with Richard in Manhattan. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Richard?

[G]

Don? Peter Allen. You know, if the New York Giants are valued at 10 billion, I wonder what the Yankees are valued at. Triple.

[C]

It's a good.

[A]

No.

[C]

Triple.

[G]

What?

[A]

No. Maybe. Maybe 12. I don't. I don't. I don't know.

[C]

Because it's football. More valuable than baseball? Probably wouldn't be that much more probably, actually.

[G]

Okay, fellas, the US Open. What storylines? First of all, Don, tonight you have this for playing Osaka. Anissimova is from Freehold, New Jersey. Now, two months ago. Exactly. In the Wimbledon finals, she got double bagel by Swiatek, 6, 060. And yesterday, this girl comes back and beats her. I mean, in what other sport would you see something like that?

[C]

Oh, I didn't even realize. Hold on. It was the girl from the Wimbledon final who beat Swiatek yesterday.

[G]

Yes.

[C]

I didn't even realize that. That's. That's. That is pretty incredible, Peter.

[G]

She's from Freehold, New Jersey.

[C]

The six.

[G]

And she's playing Osaka tonight. Can you imagine? Osaka was down and out for about two or three years, and look what she's gone through. Now the men's is more unbelievable. Tuesday night, we're watching Djokovic versus Taylor Fritz, an American I hated. A hated rival, Djokovic. He didn't come here for two years because he had a big mouth about the vaccine. And he. The fans are going wild. It was 50. 50, maybe 60, 40 djokovic. And you know why that is? Because the guy's 38 years old. He was playing great seats. Were going 10,000. Tomorrow, it's Djokovic versus Alcaraz. Gotta go for 20,000 tomorrow. And then Sunday, I don't know what will be bigger, Sinner versus Djokovic or Sinner versus Alcaraz. But Sinner first has to beat this kid, Felix Augur alsiman, who's upset three top rated players in a RO. This kid is 27. Yeah. So I don't think there's a chance that he can beat Sinner. But this is some unbelievable US Open, not to mention Venus Williams. And then the girl Taylor. The girl. The poor girl had eight. Eight points to win a match. Eight points. Break. Eight service points. And she lost all eight of them and lost the match. That was unbelievable.

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All right, thanks a lot, Richard, for the call tomorrow. A lot of football, a lot of baseball as well. And our picks, Don Hahn and Rosenberg, right here on ESPN New York. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast. I don't want to know how the.

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Sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.

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