Hour 4: Up For Grabs

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Up For Grabs

Release Date: June 16, 2025

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Introduction

In the fourth hour of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast titled "Up For Grabs," hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into the nuanced interpretation of the phrase "up for grabs," particularly within the context of sports broadcasting. The discussion not only highlights differing perspectives on language usage but also engages with listener interactions, enriching the conversation with diverse viewpoints.

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Main Discussion: The Meaning of "Up For Grabs"

The episode centers around the phrase "up for grabs," sparked by its use during a pivotal sports moment. Don references its association with the opening song played at stadiums:

Don [00:35]: "Renegade, baby. It's the way this song begins that they play it at the stadium before the team comes out of the tunnel."

This leads to a deeper conversation about the phrase's meaning. Michael Hahn challenges its usage:

Michael [01:10]: "That doesn't sound up for grabs. Sounds like he was very much grabbed."

Contrastingly, Don and Peter defend the idiomatic expression, emphasizing its intended meaning of availability and opportunity, rather than literal interpretation.

Don [05:03]: "It just makes sense."

Peter [05:08]: "You know exactly what it means."

Listener Interaction: Pat's Call-In

Listener Pat joins the conversation, lauding Peter's passion for sports and suggesting that Peter would be an excellent host for certain ESPN segments. This interaction highlights the camaraderie among the hosts and their connection with the audience.

Pat [01:29]: "Espn, is it Jimmy Kataro, whatever the guy's name is. Put Peter there. He should be hosting this show. This is ridiculous."

Deepening the Debate: Ryan Ruko's Perspective

Ryan Ruko, a close friend of the program, shares his experience during a WNBA game, reinforcing Michael's skepticism about the phrase's usage:

Ryan Ruko [05:16]: "That's building was rocking. It had to be an homage, Michael, because no sane person uses it like that."

Michael elaborates on his stance, arguing that the phrase's literal interpretation detracts from its intended meaning:

Michael [05:42]: "Up for grabs is a phrase. We all exist. It exists. Hey, I got a sandwich. Up for grabs... That is how the phrase is known."

Don and Peter counter, emphasizing the idiomatic and contextual understanding within sports broadcasting.

Don [06:06]: "That's the literal."

Peter [06:19]: "It's supposed to be just a fun way of saying it's not fun."

Listener Input: Smitty and Gabriel Weigh In

Smitty introduces a new dimension to the discussion by addressing the evolution of language within hip hop, where words like "bad" have transformed in meaning. His input suggests that language is fluid and subject to cultural influences.

Smitty [21:10]: "Every hip hop fan knows bad used to mean bad, but now it means good. So what are you talking about? You can't reframe and redefine words."

Gabriel adds further complexity by describing the phrase "up for grabs" in the context of a sports arena's atmosphere, emphasizing its association with unpredictability and fan behavior during intense moments.

Gabriel [24:14]: "When you go into like, and both teams are playing real good... the home crowd gets quiet. It could be like, you could only have, like, feel like you're in the arena on the road."

Conclusion: Balancing Literal and Idiomatic Interpretations

The episode concludes with the hosts acknowledging the validity of different interpretations while reaffirming their preference for the idiomatic use of "up for grabs" in sports contexts. Michael maintains his stance for clarity, while Don and Peter advocate for the phrase's conventional meaning within their broadcasting framework.

Don [25:05]: "It is attainable. It means it's attainable."

Michael [25:16]: "Is that okay? I mean, why can't we just sometimes say not a fan?"

The discussion encapsulates the dynamic interplay between language precision and colloquial usage, especially in the high-energy environment of sports broadcasting.

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Final Thoughts

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg skillfully navigate the complexities of language within their show, using the debate over "up for grabs" as a microcosm for broader conversations about communication in sports media. By integrating listener perspectives, the hosts enrich the dialogue, offering listeners both entertainment and insight into the intricacies of sports commentary.

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For those interested in exploring the full depth of this engaging episode, tuning into Don, Hahn & Rosenberg on ESPN New York, the ESPN New York app, or your preferred smart speakers is highly recommended.

Transcript

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[Don]

This is the Dime Han Han at Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. Renegade, baby. It's the way this song begins that they play it at the stadium before the team comes out of the tunnel.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

And Bart Scott admitted to me that the first time you hear it when you're in the tunnel, he admits that it is actually really intimidating there.

[Peter]

I was there for the championship game, Jets, Steelers, and that was as up for grabs. I've heard of building loud into it doesn't make sense.

[Don]

Up for grabs.

[Michael]

That doesn't sound up for grabs. Sounds like he was very much grabbed.

[Don]

I've always wondered, what up for grabs, Michael.

[Peter]

But it just makes sense. And I think people that are in the sports, it can't be up for.

[Don]

Grabs if it was literally in the grass.

[Peter]

Why do you got to ruin everything with logic?

[Michael]

Okay, take something. The people were just going nuts.

[Peter]

They're up for grabs. Like the voting was cats living together.

[Don]

Mass hysteria.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's all it was. Up for grabs. Like anything could have happened at that point. You wouldn't have been shocked. Oh, I like this. Pat in Connecticut agrees with me about Peter. Pat, what did I say?

[Michael]

What?

[Pat]

All right, gentlemen, big fan. First time I've called the new show. So you guys are great. But Don has for years said that Peter is easily the best consumer of all sports in all of espn. Peter suggesting that he would actually go to the hot dog eating contest. I just, I think just proves Don's point. Espn, is it Jimmy Kataro, whatever the guy's name is. Put Peter there. He should be hosting this show. This is ridiculous.

[Don]

You know what? Who does host it?

[Peter]

Because you should be posting it.

[Pat]

It's been on The Ocho.

[Michael]

It's. No, it's on the big one. It's on the big one.

[Don]

It's not on abc.

[Michael]

It's on espn.

[Don]

It's on. It's on regular espn.

[Pat]

It should be the Elongated Meat Man.

[Michael]

It's a great point by you. I like what you've said.

[Don]

I like the way he said it too.

[Peter]

I like the way Pat said it.

[Michael]

Well, yeah, I mean, he took it directly from me, so I thought it was fantastic. But.

[Pat]

Well, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but still.

[Don]

Just keep going.

[Michael]

Well, here's the thing. It's usually the host. The actual host is the guy who puts it on, the promoter of it. Who's the screaming, like, carnival barker guy. Respectfully. But then we do have commentators doing it. I don't know who the commentary team is, but I'd consider it. You probably have to be there, like, four in the morning, though.

[Pat]

Get Peter there. That's all I want. That's how I want to tell the.

[Michael]

I should be the king of the Ocho. You're right.

[Peter]

I've always said that no one consumes more sports than Peter. He may be, like, an expert on a handful of them, but he's willing to go and watch and experience every single Saturday.

[Michael]

Saturday, I watched some.

[Peter]

The golf.

[Michael]

Some of the golf.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Michael]

I watched some ufc. Fight Night. Watched a little of the baseball. Oh, I watched the Stanley Cup.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Michael]

I watched a lot of Stanley. Stanley Cup. I was in for a while till it got completely stupid.

[Don]

Does Jeremy Shaft still host it?

[Michael]

No, I don't think so. He may have before.

[Don]

Because you're right. Because then the Major League eating president.

[Michael]

Then takes the guy with the suit and the screaming.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Michael]

He's the one out there.

[Don]

So it's not Shap?

[Michael]

No.

[Don]

It's gotta be somebody.

[Peter]

Shapp's too serious to do that.

[Michael]

Well, don't you judge Jeremy Shap? He does a lot of things.

[Peter]

I know he does a lot of things. A lot of things. Well, he shouldn't lower himself to do that.

[Michael]

Whoa.

[Peter]

It's stupid.

[Michael]

We love hot dogs.

[Don]

Chap and Tiffany Green did it last year. Yeah.

[Michael]

Really? Shaq did it last year?

[Don]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Don]

And Tiffany Green minimums to hit.

[Michael]

We need to get Chaps days. Send him out for the hot dog.

[Don]

People don't know what you're talking about.

[Michael]

We pay him a lot of money.

[Don]

But I said it Inside business. Anybody who gets it, just laugh because that's really funny.

[Peter]

Now, professor in New York says that Michael's not the only one that says up for grabs, Professor. Who else says up for grabs?

[Ryan Ruko]

Close friend of the program, Ryan Ruko. May 17, fourth quarter of a WNBA King Clark game. I forget.

[Michael]

It was like, eight minutes left.

[Ryan Ruko]

I got it on my dvr. Up for grabs.

[Michael]

And the building was rocking.

[Ryan Ruko]

That's building was rocking. It was. It had to be an homage, Michael, because no sane person uses it like that.

[Michael]

Thank you very much. If you're 100% correct, he definitely learned it from Michael.

[Peter]

No, I. But I don't know why it's so bad.

[Michael]

It's terrible.

[Don]

It just makes sense.

[Peter]

You know exactly what it means. You say it makes no sense.

[Ryan Ruko]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Michael]

It's terrible, Don. It makes us awful. This is the one thing that makes me agree with the people who say you're carrying Michael's water.

[Peter]

No, I'm not.

[Michael]

Because it doesn't make sense. Here's the problem with it, fundamentally. I'll explain very quickly. Up for grabs is a phrase. We all exist. It exists. Hey, I got a sandwich. Up for grabs. That exists in the world. That is how the phrase is known. Michael taking the phrase up for grabs as if it doesn't already have a meaning. And the meaning is it could be anyone's. You can't change it. The phrase exists, Alan. Am I explaining it clearly?

[Peter]

Your version of up for grab.

[Michael]

That's the version.

[Peter]

Things that have different meanings.

[Don]

Do you want Cambridge?

[Peter]

Oh, this will be interesting.

[Michael]

Yeah. What is Cambridge saying?

[Don]

It's an idiom available, ready to be won or taken. There are hundreds of hundreds of prizes up for grabs right now.

[Peter]

That's the literal.

[Don]

So the building being up for grabs, meaning it can be taken.

[Peter]

Right. And what he said by the team.

[Don]

Playing is what I'm suggesting. Not the crowd taking the building. It is the home team.

[Peter]

It's supposed to be just a fun way of saying it's not fun. Well, then stick your head up.

[Don]

It's not fun.

[Michael]

No. Excuse me. Maybe.

[Don]

Maybe I will not.

[Michael]

Maybe, Don. Maybe you. It's not even your phrase. It's Michael's.

[Peter]

I know, but I just don't understand why it's so literal. What are you saying? This is up for grab. People are out of their minds.

[Don]

Tyler. Hero.

[Peter]

Say out of your mind. The mind never left your body. I don't see your brain floating over your head.

[Michael]

You're taking it too literal.

[Peter]

The people are going. They might take over the building. Who knows what's going to happen next? People are just going crazy. They might storm the field. They might start tearing up the seats.

[Don]

I don't know.

[Peter]

It's up for grabs, man. This place is up for grabs.

[Don]

I have one slice of pizza left. It's up for grabs.

[Michael]

All right.

[Peter]

That's the literal.

[Don]

That's how literal meaning not the building's up for grass.

[Michael]

Michael would say it. This is why, you know, I'm just right, because the job of the broadcaster is to have even the dumbest member of your audience understand what you're saying. So let's assume that's me. When he would say up for grabs, I'd kind of look at the crowd and go, is it split?

[Peter]

So that's what I don't know. Not the fact that people are just crazy. They're going out of their minds. They're insane. Right now. The place is up for grabs.

[Michael]

No, it doesn't make sense.

[Peter]

No, it makes perfect sense.

[Don]

Available to anyone not yet claimed.

[Michael]

You can't act.

[Peter]

It's just you're taking the fun out of everything. There's gotta be other things.

[Don]

No, I think we're trying to be better.

[Michael]

Yeah, we want better. I want Michael to be better. He's above this phrase, and he's Captain Literal. He uses tools, words as weapons.

[Peter]

You would think he's somebody arguing that side, but I think it's just a cool way of saying that the building is going crazy.

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[Michael]

I won't deny that it sounds quote cool. I thought it matters, but it's not a good descriptor. Too many people have an idea of what it he say to foul pole.

[Peter]

If it's fair, there's certain things we just take.

[Don]

It's not. Granted, that's not crazy.

[Peter]

These are just certain things that it just the way it sounds. Why do you got to take the fun out of everything? That's why we kill Michael for being Captain Literal Man. You're like you're taking the fun out of everything.

[Michael]

But I don't do this about everything. I'm doing it with this one because I find it confusing and stupid. If anyone got confused of what the foul poll was because it's actually the foul, then you'd be it wouldn't make sense. Everyone knows what it means.

[Don]

Well, if you're not on the other side, it's foul.

[Michael]

But everybody knows what you're referring to. There's no not everybody knows what that means. I think there are probably people who hear him go up for grabs and go, what does he mean?

[Peter]

No, those people would be. Would be dim.

[Michael]

Alan, do you think you hear a guy.

[Peter]

No, wait a minute. Tito Martinez hits a grand slam home run in the World Series. And Michael says, the place up for grabs.

[Don]

You can be like, I wonder if I understand what. It matters.

[Peter]

That's all you're saying?

[Don]

Doesn't make it something that I'm like, I don't really want to use that.

[Michael]

That. What do you think? 1-800-919-3776. Is Michael a yo yo or not?

[Don]

Idioms.

[Peter]

You know, Speaking of yo yos, let's go to Richard of Manhattan.

[Michael]

You're on.

[Ryan Ruko]

Hi, fellas. Don. Peter Allen, the opening episode. Mary Tyler Moore.

[Michael]

Here we go.

[Ryan Ruko]

First day on the job, she goes into Lou Grant, his office at Asner, and he says. She says, oh. He says to her, mary, no, you did a good job. He says, you got spunk. And she smiles and sheepishly, she shrugs her shoulders. She says, thank you, Mr. Grant. And he looks at her and growls and says, I hate spunk. I thought that was great. By the way, Marlo Thomas preceded Mary Tyler Moore. She was the original girl who left home. She was a professor. Yeah.

[Peter]

She was in a relationship. So she wasn't married. But the whole premise of she had a boyfriend and they were going to get married. So.

[Ryan Ruko]

Donald, Donald Ted Bessel. Now, you know what was great about that show? It was in New York City, and the building they always showed, it was on the FDR. It still is, obviously, on the FDR. 79th street, the north corner. Right. On 79th and FDR Drive there. They used to show the building. I mean, they never showed too much of it, but they just showed that. Alan, this is for you. Now, you mentioned two things on Friday. You're 100% right. Pet Sounds, Beach Boys, three great, great songs. Paul McCartney calls God only Knows the greatest song ever written. And then you got Wouldn't It Be Nice? And California Girls. California Girls. What a song. They don't put down any other girls. They love all the girls, the Eastern girls, the northern girls, but they're true to themselves and their region. And they say the California girls are the best. What a great song.

[Michael]

And God Only Knows, but not on Pet Sound.

[Ryan Ruko]

That wasn't on Pep Sounds. Oh, the other two are Then God Only Knows and Wouldn't It Be nice? God Only Knows. What a song. All they mention a God only. Okay, Allen, I got to correct you on this with all due respect the Seattle SuperSonics. In 79, they were in the championship the year before. They had a Hall of Fame coach, Lenny Wilkins. They made the trade for. And you may forget you didn't mention this guy's name. Lonnie Shelton. Lonnie Shelton was the premier power. He was the Maurice Lucas at Sigma was Bill Walton. And Johnny Johnson, the prototype small forward. And the two guards, Gus Williams, Dennis Johnson. In my estimation, Alan is a step below Jason Kidd and Isaiah Thomas on the pantheon of guards. Better than Gary Payton and better than Ray Allen. He was a defender. He led two different teams to championships, Boston and Seattle. And another guy who was not on the team was more famous than any of them. He was cut the year before, but he was an original Seattle supersonic. Slick Watts. Slick Watts was famous for two things. He was the first guy with a shaved head. Early 1971, he came into the league, he had a shaved head. The first guy in the NBA with a shaved head, he had a. You know, he had a disease when he was little and he couldn't grow hair, so he had a shaved head. And he was the first guy before Chamberlain that wore a headband. Hence the nickname Slick Watts. He was great, too, but he didn't make it through the 78, 79 season. But that was a very, very good team. They were better than Indiana, this year's team. So like I said, the only team maybe you can compare was the Detroit Pistons. And I don't even think they were so. Alan, always a pleasure. Thank you, fellas.

[Don]

I did mention Lonnie Shelton. All the people that he named, majority of people listening, anybody that's a basketball fan probably are like, I still don't know who most of these guys are. So it does compare. And the fact that they won the championship is why later on now, you know them because they won a championship, right? Like. Like, if they don't win a championship, nobody remembers that team.

[Peter]

And I know that. I know Seattle was in the championship the year before. Well, the Pacers were in the conference final last year. They weren't the championship, but they were. They were in the Final four.

[Don]

You know why? Slick Watch didn't. Couldn't grow hair in his head.

[Peter]

Why?

[Don]

Football injury.

[Peter]

A football.

[Don]

Football is what it says. Football injury when he was 13, damaged his scalp, causing his hair to grow in unusual patches that led him to shave his head.

[Michael]

That is to not know that.

[Peter]

And now usually when somebody's limping, it's like, oh, rare. Football injury. Not.

[Don]

That's a real thing.

[Peter]

Well, Richard brought a lot to the table. Lot fell off but a lot on the table. Close out your calls next. Don Hannah Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

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[Don]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don]

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[Peter]

So apparently Aaron Rodgers family doesn't believe he's married.

[Don]

Daily Mail story I saw.

[Peter]

That's not a surprise. They don't speak.

[Don]

Well, they don't believe it though, which is odd. It is a very bizarre relationship. But they actually didn't Ian's book suggest that there was some mending.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

Of emotions.

[Peter]

His dad went to go see him.

[Don]

Right. He spent a minute with him.

[Peter]

So I don't know who in the family doesn't believe or they just in all generally don't believe.

[Don]

Well, it's. It's a family source.

[Peter]

Well, he's gonna have to come clean at some point, right? I mean, it's hard to be that famous and well, her name is your wife, so we know Brittany.

[Don]

That's all we know.

[Peter]

Good for him. I mean, it doesn't matter to me.

[Don]

Happy. He's happy.

[Peter]

I don't even know if he's happy.

[Michael]

Yeah, we don't know anything about this man.

[Peter]

No.

[Michael]

Hey, by the way, speaking of happy, huh. Do you guys see that our tomorrow. Starting tomorrow night, our very own Ty Butler is joining Sports Night on Snyder.

[Don]

Texting him this morning. Oh, this afternoon.

[Michael]

I gotta be honest.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Little offended he didn't tell me.

[Don]

Well, he didn't tell me either.

[Peter]

How'd you feel? How'd you feel?

[Don]

I didn't feel anything. I texted him congratulations, some pointers.

[Michael]

I wanted the inside dope.

[Don]

I think he's gonna be great.

[Peter]

I didn't get anything. All I saw that he tweeted out that he had a major announcement that he was gonna broadcast on his show. But I couldn't listen. So I text him. What's the announcement? He told me. I don't think I list the people he needs to notify.

[Michael]

I want.

[Don]

You want.

[Michael]

I'm a big type proponent.

[Don]

You wanted exclusive source based before everybody knew.

[Michael]

That's right. That's right.

[Don]

Pre announcement kind of thing.

[Michael]

Yeah, I wanted a pre announcement announcement. I would have felt better about it. You were owed that ode is strong. I would have liked.

[Peter]

Who's his rabbi like Ryan looked up to Michael, who does Ty look up to here?

[Michael]

I think Ty. I think Ty has probably admiration for several people here. He's been a young guy here for now, several years. But I think him and I have.

[Don]

A lot of us, a lot of.

[Peter]

But there's gonna be one guy that is above everybody else that probably receives that.

[Michael]

Oh, so I didn't get it. No one didn't get it.

[Don]

I don't know. I don't. It doesn't. It doesn't. To me. I look at him like, you know, I feel like I raised him so. Because he was on at night with me as a producer. He and Anthony and they were, like, incredibly creative.

[Michael]

And you didn't want a heads up of some sort of announcement?

[Don]

I don't need that. He's on his own. We sent him off into the world. He became. He's becoming what he dreamed to become, and it's great.

[Michael]

He's flying now.

[Peter]

Yeah. I didn't feel any obligation.

[Michael]

In all seriousness, I'm super. It's gonna be. I mean, it's great. It's gonna be great.

[Peter]

Let's go tomorrow. Smitty in Brooklyn. You're on espn.

[Michael]

Oh, hey, Smitty.

[Don]

Smitty Schmitty.

[Smitty]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Peter]

What's up, man?

[Smitty]

Hey, listen, I'm here to support Don for Up for Grabs. I'm an English teacher and I'm a hip hop fan. And I'm kind of disgusted with you, Peter, because your basis for your argument was you can't change the meaning of fixed words and sayings. Every hip hop fan knows bad used to mean bad, but now it means good. So what are you talking about? You can't reframe and redefine words.

[Don]

He is using Run DMC against you.

[Michael]

I mean, by the way, I think bad may go beyond even hip hop, but generally that requires a cultural movement. Though of many people that do it, Michael's been riding the it's up for grabs thing alone. And so if one person is doing it, if one person says, yo, man, you're ugly, and someone goes, oh, my God. Excuse me. No, no. Well, when I say ugly, I mean beautiful. Everyone. People get on board with it. That's not catching.

[Smitty]

All right, when he says, you're being too literal and taking the fun of it, the phrase means a state of bedlam where anything could happen.

[Peter]

Yeah, I was up for grab.

[Smitty]

Listen, it could happen.

[Michael]

That was a very good bedlam in chaos. And the way that you just described it was better than both Michael and Don have ever done.

[Don]

But up for grabs. I. Attainable. It means it's attainable.

[Michael]

See, you're going back to the literal.

[Peter]

Version that I don't think anybody didn't know. When Martinez hit that home run and Michael says this place is up for grabs. Anybody's like, I wonder what he meant by they all knew what he was talking about.

[Michael]

I guess you're right. I'm just not a big fan. Is that okay? I mean, why can't we just sometimes say not a fan?

[Peter]

See, you know what?

[Don]

It is true, though. If you don't like something, I have.

[Michael]

To be convinced all of a sudden.

[Don]

You'Re wrong for not liking it instead of just saying, it's not for me.

[Michael]

It doesn't work for me.

[Don]

There you go.

[Michael]

That's okay. I think Michael's one of the greatest talk show hosts of all time. It's up for grabs. It's not for me.

[Peter]

That's not for you.

[Michael]

It's not for me.

[Peter]

But don't like then just leave it at that.

[Michael]

Well, I can't. That. That's. It makes for a boring talk show. I got to keep breaking it down for the people. It gets them going.

[Peter]

Let's see what Gabriel in the car thinks about. It's up for grabs.

[Michael]

Maybe. Maybe the right. Maybe he has the right take.

[Smitty]

Hello?

[Michael]

Hey, Gabriel.

[Smitty]

What's up? Listen, I always did the word. I hear you guys arguing about the word up for grab to make the word up for grab the man. Like, you know, like, when you go into like, and both teams are playing real good. They're going back and forth, and the fans are going crazy. And then that one team, like, all of a sudden, like, they take the lead and they, like, stretch it or whatever, and then it gets. The other friends get real quiet. Like, the home crowd get quiet. It could be like, you could only have, like, feel like you're in the arena on the road. You only got maybe, like, a few, you know, a few hundred slings there. But your friends, by you taking over the. By you taking over that arena, your friend seems so much louder than the others.

[Peter]

Gabriel, thank you for the effort.

[Don]

We're trying way too hard. Now that did. Gabriel was making that effort. He had to wipe his brow for a minute. It. It's.

[Peter]

He might have pulled some.

[Michael]

No, he might have pulled some.

[Don]

Conversation was up for grabs when he.

[Peter]

Was talking about, like, the game being close. Yeah, the game being up for grabs is to Peter's point. It's up for grabs. It's anybody's game. That call was, like, anybody's building. I like it. And I'm going to continue to use.

[Michael]

No, listen.

[Peter]

Not in honor of Michael.

[Don]

I dare you. Next Ranger game he calls.

[Michael]

Yeah, do it.

[Don]

I want to hear it.

[Peter]

Well, no, because I don't like to steal.

[Michael]

No, wait. So it's a personal saying like see ya. Only one person could say.

[Peter]

Apparently he said. Nobody else seems to use it except Ryan. And we know why Ryan uses it. Dan Gross is up next. And then at 7:30 our coverage begins game five of the NBA finals. We'll see you tomorrow at 3:00 o' clock here on ESPN New York.

[Don]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.