Hour 4: What The Pho

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: What The Pho
Release Date: April 3, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

In Hour 4: What The Pho, hosts Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the upcoming NFL Draft, focusing primarily on the New York Giants' quarterback conundrum. Amidst their lively discussion, snippets of casual banter about sushi and late-game talk provide a well-rounded episode that balances professional analysis with personal anecdotes.

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Main Discussion: Giants’ Quarterback Dilemma

Analyzing Draft Strategies

The core of the episode revolves around the Giants' decision-making process for the NFL Draft, particularly their potential selection of Shador Sanders as quarterback. The trio debates whether the Giants should prioritize drafting a quarterback at the third overall pick or consider other strategic options.

• Don LaGreca's Stance:
  Don is skeptical about drafting Sanders at pick three, drawing comparisons to former Giants quarterback Chad Pennington. He argues that choosing Sanders might mean missing out on more versatile talent.

  "I don't think it's being afraid of Deion. I just think they look at him and just say I just don't think he's all that. He will be drafted, he will play in the NFL and maybe he'll have a career."
  — Don LaGreca [04:02]

• Alan Hahn's Perspective:
  Alan counters by emphasizing the necessity of securing a quarterback to stabilize the Giants' roster. He believes that even if Sanders resembles Pennington's career, having a reliable QB is paramount.

  "He is an intelligent person and he's an intelligent quarterback. If you don't like the fact that he has confidence and has a little bit of a swagger to him, I'm sorry, he's the son of Deion Sanders."
  — Alan Hahn [05:09]

• Peter Rosenberg's Input:
  Peter provides a middle ground, acknowledging Don’s concerns while understanding the franchise's urgency to find a competent quarterback.

  "It certainly feels like the Cleveland Browns are inclined to look elsewhere Aside from quarterback."
  — Peter Rosenberg [02:28]

Potential Draft Outcomes and Trade Scenarios

The discussion evolves into potential scenarios where the Giants might trade their pick to acquire Sanders or opt for other strategic moves such as drafting Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter. The hosts consider the ramifications of each choice, weighing long-term benefits against immediate needs.

• Trade Implications:
  Don highlights the complexities and potential losses involved in trading up, emphasizing the risk of passing on other generational talents.

  "But you're also not doing this in a vacuum by taking Sanders and it not working out. It's the failure of him not working out and who you could have had."
  — Don LaGreca [20:50]

• Strategic Flexibility:
  Alan suggests that even if Sanders is not selected at pick three, the Giants should remain flexible to adapt based on how the draft unfolds.

  "I feel like he is somebody that can have a career in the NFL and a Good one. And again, if you want to use Chad Pennington, I don't completely agree with it but if you want to use Chad Pennington, fine."
  — Alan Hahn [10:08]

Comparative Analysis with Other Teams

The hosts also compare the Giants' strategy with other teams like the Cleveland Browns and Tennessee Titans, examining how their approaches to drafting quarterbacks might influence their future prospects.

• Cleveland Browns:
  Peter notes the Browns' inclination to explore options beyond quarterbacks, suggesting a different strategic path.

  "It certainly feels like the Cleveland Browns are inclined to look elsewhere Aside from quarterback."
  — Peter Rosenberg [02:28]

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Casual Banter: Sushi and Lifestyle

Interspersed with the analytical conversation, the hosts engage in light-hearted discussions about sushi preferences, personal eating habits, and humorous anecdotes from their experiences.

• Sushi Preferences:
  The hosts debate their favorite sushi types, with Don expressing reluctance to try new varieties, while Alan and Peter encourage him to expand his palate.

  "I'm usually like a shrimp guy, something like that. But I'm usually like, when I go down the shore, I'll have lobster."
  — Don LaGreca [28:34]

• Personal Stories:
  Peter shares a personal story about receiving leftover pho, highlighting the blend of humor and personal connection that characterizes their interactions.

  "I just realized that's all I had was the pho."
  — Peter Rosenberg [26:21]

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Listener Mail and Additional Topics

The episode features interactions with listeners like Felicia and Bart Scott, who share thoughts on various topics including Billy Joel’s performances and NCAA hockey frustrations. These segments add depth and relatability to the podcast, showcasing the hosts' engagement with their audience.

• Listener Feedback:
  Felicia praises Natalie's gift, while Bart Scott introduces humorous hypotheticals, maintaining an entertaining atmosphere.

  "Your gift was so thoughtful and sweet... It was currently on its little easel thing on the nightstand next to Natalie's bed."
  — Peter Rosenberg [35:19]

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In wrapping up the main discussions, the hosts reaffirm their differing views on the Giants' draft strategy, acknowledging the complexities and uncertainties inherent in NFL team management. The episode concludes with plans to continue the debate in future discussions, leaving listeners eager for more insights.

"If he turns out, there's two. There is a quarterback there for the Giants and they will pass."
— Don LaGreca [11:19]

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Notable Quotes

1. Don LaGreca on Drafting Sanders:

   "But you don't take a Chad Pennington at three."
   — Don LaGreca [05:56]

2. Alan Hahn on Quarterback Necessity:

   "I feel like he is somebody that will have a career in the NFL and a Good one."
   — Alan Hahn [12:47]

3. Peter Rosenberg on Browns' Strategy:

   "It certainly feels like the Cleveland Browns are inclined to look elsewhere Aside from quarterback."
   — Peter Rosenberg [02:28]

4. Don LaGreca Comparing Sanders to Pennington:

   "If I'm the Giants and I, and I agree with Mel that the best case scenario for Shadur Sanders is to have the career of Chad Pennington. I'm not taking that at three."
   — Don LaGreca [16:44]

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Final Thoughts

Hour 4: What The Pho offers an engaging blend of serious sports analysis and personable interactions, making it a must-listen for fans interested in the intricacies of NFL drafting strategies and the dynamic interplay between New York's sports media personalities. Whether you're a die-hard Giants supporter or simply enjoy insightful sports conversations, this episode delivers both depth and entertainment.

Transcript

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Bart Scott]

The best threesome I've ever heard.

[Alan Hahn]

880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app at a 6 o'clock hour we go with Don McGregor, Peter Rosenberg, I'm Alan Hahn 800-919-3776. The number we'll get to your calls here momentarily, but as we are continuing to just like work our way towards the NFL draft and then things really start to pick up again, the Aaron Rodgers watch continues and we'll certainly keep an eye on things. There's just, just almost amusement, right? It's not a New York story anymore directly, but there is sort of this little bit of amusement of what is going to end up with Aaron Rodgers at this point. So we'll keep an eye on that. But the Giants still have and do have the number three pick in the draft. And while they did make curious signings for quarterback with two veterans and Jameis Winston, who's living his best life already, if you see all the stuff on social media with him, he's already living his best life. And Russell Wilson, the number three pick in the draft, is there. And as more and more information is now being gathered and put together and reported about what's going to happen at the top of the draft, it seems almost a fait accompli that Cam Ward will be the number one pick. The Tennessee Titans will take him. It is not necessarily a given that the Browns will take a quarterback at 2. It was originally thought that way, but it just continues to now sound like the Browns aren't in love with Chador Sanders either. Which means that at three the Giants could be on the clock with Shador Sanders available. And the sense is they will not take a quarterback there. Which again, seeing who they signed in free agency tells you that the need isn't there. But but the question is, of course, is that the right decision? Here's Adam Schefter talking about what the Giants are looking at outside of quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It certainly feels like the Cleveland Browns are inclined to look elsewhere Aside from quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

And it's starting to feel like the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

New York Giants at number three are starting to look elsewhere other than quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

Sound like Wendy. So if the Browns don't take Shador.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sanders at 2 and if the Giants don't take Shador Sanders at 3 and that is the feel that I'm getting recently, where is Shador Sanders going?

[Alan Hahn]

Could this be another story of a quarterback who everybody thought might be the second pick in the draft? He might. Does he even get picked? Did the Raiders take him before the jets at 6 and is that where he goes or does he even fall all the way out of top 10?

[Don LaGreca]

I really feel like he's going to be there for the jets at seven. Like we're going to be talking about the jets having a chance to take him. I do think he is going to have that, that Thurman Thomas, Brady Quinn moment where ABC is going to be showing him as each pick goes. All right, Aaron Rodgers and just dropping, dropping, drop. I just, I don't know any inside information. I just feel like he is going to drop and it'd be interesting. Would the jets take him at seven? Probably not. Not. You know, they've invested in the young quarterback already in Justin Fields. Kind of like a pick of Jace picking him up for a couple of years. Right. They've already got the backup in place and Tyrod Taylor. I don't think the jets are going to take him. So then where does he go? The Raiders are interested.

[Alan Hahn]

I think the Raiders. I don't think he gets no the Raiders.

[Don LaGreca]

The Raiders just gave a contract to Geno Smith.

[Alan Hahn]

But Geno Smith is 34, 35 years.

[Don LaGreca]

Old, but he's playing well. If they. I just don't think anybody looks at Sanders as a top pick. I don't. I don't think it's. I don't think it's being afraid of Deion. I just think they look at him and just say I just don't think he's all that. He will be drafted, he will play in the NFL and maybe he'll have a career. But you weren't on yesterday when we were talking with Peter and the comparisons to Chad Pennington. I'm wrong with Chad Pennington.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that what this is from Mel? Is that this from Mel? Let me hear this from Mel. Is the guys played this yesterday when I wasn't around.

[Don LaGreca]

Chad Pennington would probably be my comp for Shador. I love Chad coming out, had him in the top five on the big board. He ends up going 18. That was the year the jets had four first round draft choices. He went 18 to the jets, ended up playing at Miami, had a really good career. Okay. Was he a Hall of Famer? No. But could you get to a Super bowl with Chad Pennington? Yeah, you could have if he had a supporting cast around them. That's why Brady was a late 6th round pick because he didn't have great talent. Okay. Didn't have the greatest arm, ran 5, 2, 4, had a 24 vertical. Not athletic. No arm strength, no mobility. Greatest of all time. That's why I don't buy into this Shador minimizing what Shador can be in the NFL.

[Alan Hahn]

See, I've felt the same way that Kuyper has felt here. This notion that he's gotta be a measurables guy that blows your mind as a physical specimen is ridiculous. He is a person that I think Sanders is a guy that you bring into a big market like New York and he is not overwhelmed by it. That he's comfortable in the spotlight. He processes. He is an intelligent person and he's an intelligent quarterback. If you don't like the fact that he has confidence and has a little bit of a swagger to him, I'm sorry, he's the son of Deion Sanders. You're going to have to expect that.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't think it's that. I just think that people look at him like. Like Mel said, that he could be Chad Pennington. Chad Pennington is not somebody you take third.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not sexy.

[Don LaGreca]

Chad Pennington's probably somebody you take in the middle of the first round. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Alan Hahn]

Chad Pennington was somebody that before the shoulder injury, before some of the injuries, he was turning into a very good quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very good.

[Alan Hahn]

But the jets let him go was for a reason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because obviously no one's looking for very good anymore. It's just not. The league is.

[Don LaGreca]

That's not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You need great. You need absolute stunning at quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

Not a top 10 pick. Now, if you tell them me, but.

[Alan Hahn]

The Giants instead are going to have Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston and the next year hope that something else comes around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hear you. I'm not saying that's ideal either.

[Alan Hahn]

How is that? Like if you know you can get a guy that you could plug in and be a capable starter. Nobody says he's got to be your. Your be all end all for the next 10 years. But if he can get you through for a couple until you get the chance to get.

[Don LaGreca]

Don't do that at three. Not when you're Going to have possibilities. Trade back, but then you trade back, but maybe he's not there. Like who are you trading back with? But then you miss out on what could be a generational talent like a Hunter or a Carter. That's the rub there.

[Alan Hahn]

Carter's going to be gone with the Browns, probably.

[Don LaGreca]

Hunter. Hunter is a real sexy pick. He's going to sell jerseys, get the Giants excited. He's, he plays a, he plays a position of need. He could also play wide receiver. He's a generational guy. You're going to pass on that to trade down.

[Alan Hahn]

He's taking a quarterback at three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you grab, you grab whatever.

[Alan Hahn]

You take it.

[Don LaGreca]

A quarterback, I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you get the piece.

[Alan Hahn]

He gets a cornerback and a part time wide receiver. That's what he is in the end.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you get Travis Hunter at 3.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you package up other picks and go back into the bottom of the first round to try to get Shador Sanders. That could make sense.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's Jordan Renan talked about this with, with Barton Carlin.

[Bart Scott]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean pick 34 or usually when you have pick 34 and if you.

[Alan Hahn]

See a quarterback you like around there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You move back into the back half of the first round. That fifth year option is very valuable.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. I mean, when you're talking about a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Quarterback, you'd rather, much rather have a guy at pick 30 or you know, 32, which the Ravens once did with Lamar Jackson. Remember having Lamar, it took him a.

[Don LaGreca]

While to get a contract. That's because that 50 year option is super valuable. So you know by somewhere on day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Two, I would expect them to have a quarterback. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

So, but, so you could sit there. All right, you're the giant. You take Hunter, Carter, whoever's available. All right, which would probably be Hunter. And then you see how the draft goes and Shador is there. And then you get to like where it's getting late in the first round and he's sitting there at 13 or 14 or 20, then maybe you make a phone call, hey, do you want the 34th pick and this and that and I'll trade back into the first round, see where it goes. I don't think it has anything to do with Deion or how confident he is. I just think they look and say, I'm not taking a quarterback of his ability that high in the draft. If he is Chad Pennington. Chad Pennington was a wonderful player, a smart player, a guy that I like to have at quarterback. But he was taken at 18. That's where you take a Chad Pennington at 18 and that's why. But you don't take a chad Pennington at 3.

[Alan Hahn]

So you don't think because all the talk of Jackson Dart, the Ole Miss quarterback, right. That and I mean Orlovsky now has been saying that this guy could be a top 10 pick, that if there's a scenario where Dart goes in the top 10 and Sanders is still sitting there, he's not gonna be in the green room, but he's still sitting there waiting to be chosen, that that has only to do. Oh, we think Dart is the better quarterback. You don't think it's avoiding the Sanders stuff and all the potential distractions that could come with it, that this is more of a cuz Dart is someone that has the measurables, the physical stuff and all the things that you can put him in front of people and say look at this guy, doesn't he look like a quarterback? Look at him. And then if it doesn't work out, well, it didn't work out. Where Sanders doesn't have that part of it and then he has the other flashy quote unquote arrogance. I don't buy it, but arrogance part of it that some people might cringe at.

[Don LaGreca]

I can't tell you that every franchise is in my like thinking, yeah, there's some probably weak ass franchises like I don't want Deion complaining about my quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

And you don't think the Giants are in that category of a franchise would be worried about having to deal with that.

[Don LaGreca]

But that'd be stupid. But if you like them, you take them. But at three, if you don't, you gotta really be in love. It's the third overall pick in the draft.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it.

[Don LaGreca]

And if you're not in love with them and clearly what are you hitting the tires on Stafford by signing two veteran quarterbacks, that's telling me that they love Ward or don't like either of the two quarterbacks. They just know Ward's going to get taken likely by Tennessee. There's rumors they were trying to trade up to 1. They were obviously trading up to 1 to get Ward. Ward's not going to be there. They don't love Sanders. You're telling me that the only reason not to love Sanders is because of Deion and because of his confidence? Or hey, you just heard a guy who's paid to evaluate talent says I think his upside is Chad Pennington. That tells me that maybe not everybody is in love with his abilities to take them that high.

[Alan Hahn]

So again I. Originally my thinking was they're not going to have the top two quarterbacks available when they get to three. And so this is when it makes sense to take the best player available. But if what everybody's now suggesting, Shefty's done this and some others, that the Browns are not going to take a quarterback either.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And more than likely it'll be Abdul Carter and then so now he's off the table. There is a quarterback there for the Giants and they will pass.

[Don LaGreca]

And I'm cool with that.

[Alan Hahn]

If they don't like him, you're fine with that.

[Don LaGreca]

So you're fine with just taking a quarterback for the sake of taking a quarterback. You've been high on him. I get it.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why. Because I don't understand why they wouldn't like him.

[Don LaGreca]

But you cannot tell me that they're high on Shador Sanders and they kick the tires on Stafford and pay him $50 million a year and going out and signing Winston and Wilson and they're in love with Sanders. Stop it. Because what are you going to do with Sander? You're going to have three quarterback. Four with counting DeVito. You can always just cut them, but you're going to have three quarterbacks.

[Alan Hahn]

This would make me think that ownership is involved more than they should be.

[Don LaGreca]

Or they just. They're trusting Dable and Dable. Remember, Dable's job's on the line. He might.

[Alan Hahn]

Joe Shane's job's on the line. Both of them.

[Don LaGreca]

But I would think if Dable's the guy that knows quarterbacks and probably says to him, I don't think I can work with this guy, then what are you supposed to do if you're Joe Shane, I got my quarterback guru saying, maybe he's not good enough.

[Alan Hahn]

High, efficient, high intelligent quarterback who doesn't turn it over and they will. Can't work with him. Come on.

[Don LaGreca]

So you would take chad Pennington at 3, knowing the career that he had and. Yeah, Mel said.

[Alan Hahn]

Mel saying Chad Pennington. It doesn't mean he is.

[Don LaGreca]

No, but I'm just saying that's the comp. Yeah. What was. Chad Pennington didn't make a mistake. Bright kid, game manager. But at 3, I need a guy that's dynamic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have to.

[Alan Hahn]

That guy's not available.

[Don LaGreca]

I know, but then I.

[Alan Hahn]

Not that either.

[Don LaGreca]

He's going number one because he is.

[Alan Hahn]

Impressive in the room.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

They love his leadership skills. He has physical tools and he's an amazing personality, leadership skills wise. And they feel like we can develop him into something special.

[Don LaGreca]

But there's the possibility. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there's a possibility I can have a generational edge pass rusher or a unicorn corner wide receiver that I'm going to pass on.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't think that's a bigger risk? The unicorn corner receiver, first of all. Again, cornerback at three. Start there. The second one is.

[Don LaGreca]

But don't just call it the thing.

[Alan Hahn]

We'Ve never seen in the sport before. Now he's Shohei Ohtani. Now he's going to play both sides of the ball. What if you've never seen this before?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but, but Allen.

[Alan Hahn]

But if he gets hurt now, you lose two positions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Allen, what we. Okay, two things. Number one, the. The game manager quarterback thing is dead. That, that doesn't appear to be how this success in this league works if you look at who's the top. At the top of both conferences every year. And number two, it really doesn't work for this franchise's brass because they need to win now. They don't have like, that's the thing about Dable and Shane. They can't sit there and try to be like, oh, and it could be.

[Alan Hahn]

Winston and, and Wilson, because you need two vets that can play now while we get a quarterback that we can develop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that is he going to be the step.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't have to draft Shador and play him right away, but where are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You hoping to then go with him next year? Like if Shador Sanders turned into Chad Pennington, are they going to have enough of a team around him where that could really compete? It's going to overtake the Commanders, going to overtake the Eagles, it's going to overtake the Cowboys. Is that really going to happen?

[Don LaGreca]

But you're, but what you're in essence saying is, I need a quarterback. I can't pass on a quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

At three.

[Don LaGreca]

What I'm saying is I need a quarterback, but he's not the right guy. At three, I'm not taking. I'm not taking that chance. So you're saying you're okay with just taking a quarterback? Hey, you need a quarterback, I take. I don't care what Tennessee does. If Tennessee is thinking, I need a quarterback, I'm taking Ward, then they're stupid.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not just take a quarterback for the sake of taking a quarterback. That's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that I feel like he is somebody that will have a career in the NFL and a Good one. And again, if you want to use Chad Pennington, I don't completely agree with it but if you want to use Chad Pennington, fine. Chad Pennington had a good career in the NFL.

[Don LaGreca]

He did.

[Alan Hahn]

Injuries are why he didn't have understood a longer and better.

[Don LaGreca]

But he'd have a three year old.

[Alan Hahn]

Highly intellectual quarterback who you could trust who was just starting to figure it out with the jets. And the jets only moved on from him because they had a chance to get Brett Favreau. So he moved on.

[Don LaGreca]

But so, so he's not the third overall pick.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, he's not. He's not. But again, it's all relative. When you are a franchise that is desperate to find quarterbacks, you find quarterbacks and you look at someone like him and you got to think there's enough there that it's worth bring them in and turn him into something.

[Don LaGreca]

But if you believe. And again, I trust Mel, but I don't know. The idea is if I'm a general manager or head coach and I look at a guy and I go the upside is Chad Pennington, then that tells me I can't take that at three.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it. I totally understand.

[Don LaGreca]

Especially passing on what Hunter.

[Alan Hahn]

If he's there late in the first and you move.

[Don LaGreca]

That's a different story.

[Alan Hahn]

Move your way in and take him there. I'm happy.

[Don LaGreca]

And if I get lucky, if he.

[Alan Hahn]

Goes six to the Raiders then that, that'll annoy me.

[Don LaGreca]

If I go out there and becomes the next great quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that means Tom Brady certainly knows some.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's see if the Raiders pass on.

[Alan Hahn]

Him then I might. That's when I'll worry because if he gets past them then yes, then I'm concerned because then it's like, all right, so they're seeing something that I clearly can't see.

[Don LaGreca]

I have a feeling that he's going to drop. I think he's just.

[Alan Hahn]

He's got winning tendencies. There's something about him that just tells me this guy's a winner.

[Don LaGreca]

You're arguing from a place you could, you could argue all you want with a Chad Pennington comparison. You are arguing from a place of you're a believer.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

So you're not really arguing from the Chad Penne that he's going to be better.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's hard for me to.

[Don LaGreca]

And I don't know but all I'm saying is is that if I'm the Giants and I, and I agree with Mel that the best case scenario for Shadur Sanders is to be have the career of Chad Pennington. I'm not taking that at three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Understood the Don and Iron lockstep in that regard.

[Alan Hahn]

And that, by the way, I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Respectfully.

[Don LaGreca]

Respectfully.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I need to include respectfully because Pennington's a really nice player.

[Alan Hahn]

Anthony Harris, very Anthony.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don. Don, you couldn't be more right about this. And Han, you couldn't be more wrong.

[Bart Scott]

What is the fixation that the Giants at three are forced to take a.

[Alan Hahn]

Quarterback for a need? Yes, it's the number one need in your franchise. Number one with a.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what?

[Bart Scott]

Tennessee, the number one need in their.

[Alan Hahn]

Franchise too, was to take a quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And guess what?

[Bart Scott]

They did.

[Alan Hahn]

They keep doing it. Yeah, but they keep notice. They keep doing it. Malik Willis didn't work out. Right. Who's the kid they have now that didn't work out? They're moving on from him. Will Levis. Right. Like they. It's what you do when you can't find. This is Mike Tannenbaum. This is what he says all the time. Until you find one, you keep taking them. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying forced. What I'm saying is moving on surprises me. That's all. He's available, he's there and they're just not going to take him. That would. That says a lot. It's very interesting to me that they would just say, yeah, we're all set on Shadow Sanders.

[Bart Scott]

As a Giant fan, I would rather them be.

[Alan Hahn]

How do I say this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The right way?

[Alan Hahn]

I would rather them be wrong and him go somewhere else and be a.

[Bart Scott]

Good quarterback, then take him and stick.

[Alan Hahn]

This franchise back another five years. Why would it be five years? Why is it five years? Is Tennessee back five years? Three straight years. They'll be drafting a quarterback. How's it five years?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, still waiting for them to be good again.

[Alan Hahn]

But still.

[Don LaGreca]

I think you're talking about when they're going to finally be good. Because I agree with you. Because if he turns out there's two.

[Alan Hahn]

Things to play, I'm not telling him he's wrong. I'm just. I feel the way I feel.

[Don LaGreca]

How does Sanders become as a player? But what, how, what do the Giants pivot to? Well, let's say Sanders is drafted by the Raiders and becomes a great quarterback. That doesn't necessarily mean the Giants made a mistake because maybe Hunter or Carter become great and then they get a quarterback down the road who ends up being just as great as Sanders and they're happy. Like, so I understand need drafting for need but you have at three. You have to love the quarterback as much as Gettleman got it wrong. I never killed Gettleman for the Daniel Jones. He was in full bloom. Love as a general manager. Hey, it's your job. If you believe he's the guy, go out and get him, by all means. But if you don't believe he's the guy, don't make him into something.

[Alan Hahn]

There wasn't another quarterback in that draft, right? Right. There wasn't another option that they could have gone.

[Don LaGreca]

There's no. There's nothing wrong with going with your gut when you believe. But don't make somebody into something they're not, because you would need a quarterback. Can't do it. This can't.

[Alan Hahn]

Like I said again, I am not telling anyone that they're wrong. I'm not telling you you're wrong. Because I understand that argument. I get it. But for me, I'm looking at a franchise that just continues to try to find the guy. And as much as it's fun to talk about Arch Manning next year, that is just as much a risk as it is to take somebody like this and see if you can develop them into your future. And if it doesn't go well next year, you can try again. And because that's what you're supposed to do, keep trying till you get the guy.

[Don LaGreca]

But you're also not doing this in a vacuum by taking Sanders and it not working out. It's the failure of him not working out and who you could have had. Remember, there's going to be a special player there at three that you're passing on. So not only did you draft Sanders, not believe in him, and then get it wrong, you now got to live with what Hunter or Carter become. Now, if Hunter and Carter become busts, which they will, then it doesn't matter. But I tell you what, it doesn't feel. It feels like if you're going to tell me which one of the three is going to be a bust, Carter, Hunter or Sanders, it's probably going to be Sanders, right?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, I don't expect it to be. I just don't. And that's why I've just. I'm going to die on this Hill. And I'm sure. But I think, you know, a year from now we'll. We'll have this conversation.

[Don LaGreca]

But the reason you're dying on the Hill is because you believe that Sanders is going to be good. Not because you would draft Chad Pennington. You wouldn't do that. No.

[Alan Hahn]

It's like I keep going back to it. It's not apples. It's not apples and apples here. It's the comp is. I understand it. But the situation is different where the Giants are as a franchise. I don't think it's so quick to just move on.

[Don LaGreca]

But it's like looking for your wife, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Don LaGreca]

You keep asking women out until you finally get somebody to agree to go out with you. All right? That's the way you're looking at it. Keep drafting quarterbacks until you find one.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Don LaGreca]

Keep asking girls out until one says yes. But in the NFL draft, while you're asking that one girl out, you're not asking out another one that might be.

[Alan Hahn]

The one you're missing out on the one because you're so desperate on the wrong.

[Don LaGreca]

Is this the right woman? And the one that walked out the door that I chose not to ask could have been the one. So you keep picking. I'm going for a quarterback. But every quarterback you take is somebody else you didn't take.

[Alan Hahn]

Gotcha. 800 now a 93776.

[Don LaGreca]

I just feel passionate. I felt like something was going on there. I almost want to smoke a cigarette with the back and forth.

[Alan Hahn]

Really well. I mean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cause there's something there.

[Alan Hahn]

I almost can't wait to get the draft night because of all this.

[Don LaGreca]

I wish the draft was yesterday. Honestly, this show would have been much different.

[Alan Hahn]

I lose my mind. Mel and I are going to just fight this to the very end.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. I've not heard this.

[Don LaGreca]

This. Is this pil?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Sex Pistols.

[Don LaGreca]

Johnny Rod. He was in P. PIL after the sex piss.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

So I had the right. The right voice.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't like that Today's not his best day. Jake's had great days.

[Don LaGreca]

Is it Johnny Rotten's birthday?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no. I just remembered a song from. You mentioned Freddy got fingered earlier. So I came. It's in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Freddie got fingered?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I'm telling you like he does. Listen. At least someone's listening to the show. Jacob Perry, but that's who you look yet. He's not a great day. No, he's a little off today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at this. Look at this.

[Alan Hahn]

What happened?

[Don LaGreca]

We having a stroke?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not having a stroke, but I. My blood sugar is low. I just realized. So Don just. Don just generously went into his bag of treats and gave me his leftover Cheeto crumbs so I could have something.

[Alan Hahn]

Crumbs?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they were good. That was more than crumbs. They were like the small remaining Cheetos. It was not dust.

[Alan Hahn]

You could choke. It was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no, you wouldn't choke. They had full crunch. But you had to kind of pour them in your hand to get the light going.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, I was down to the. I've been working on that bag for like four days. This is our four here in the studio. No, because I like to have the like a chip for lunch.

[Alan Hahn]

Dom buys a bag at the start of the week and works at it at the end of the week.

[Don LaGreca]

Bag of segment.

[Alan Hahn]

Bart Scott used to have his own, like, little pantry in the other studio. What does Bart have now? Like, does Bart have something somewhere? Maybe he hides it. He keeps his. Because he had condiments. He had everything in his bag.

[Don LaGreca]

I got to talk to Bart because I saw that room that you.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you know, it was a mess.

[Don LaGreca]

I look at. Because I like Frank's Red Hot too. It says keep refrigerated. I don't think you're supposed to leave that out.

[Alan Hahn]

He puts that on everything I do.

[Don LaGreca]

But it says right There, after you open it, you got a refrigerator.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's supposed to be a refrigerator.

[Don LaGreca]

That's where you get in trouble.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I realized what my problem is, though. I was like, why am I starving?

[Alan Hahn]

What happened?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I remember the only thing I ate prior to coming here today, because I was running around, was I had Natalie's leftover pho from last night.

[Alan Hahn]

Leftover pho?

[Don LaGreca]

Not familiar. My mind wandered.

[Alan Hahn]

Pho.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. We want to explain. Anthony, I work with two heathens. These people aren't cool.

[Don LaGreca]

I enjoy eating fa. I just never got any nourishment from it.

[Alan Hahn]

We need to be on TV just for that face that he paid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jacob, you want to explain pho?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, please do. Jack. Was it noodles? Noodles and broth.

[Don LaGreca]

Pho, Like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's not pho. It's pho.

[Alan Hahn]

I call it pho.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, we used to call it pho.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I pronounced.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you also say gyro when you show. When you go to the grill? Yeah, but you're right. But the point is. You're right, Jacob. It's. It's.

[Don LaGreca]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's.

[Don LaGreca]

It's broth.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And noodles with, like, you know, it's a Vietnamese soup.

[Alan Hahn]

It's Vietnamese soup, if that's what you want to call it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's called pho.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

What is.

[Alan Hahn]

No, just. Why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why do you keep. Why don't you just hear me? I'm telling you, it's called pho.

[Don LaGreca]

Is this, like. Like, kill Bill? Like, what, are you in training or something?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, pho is a very popular cuisine.

[Don LaGreca]

What the fu.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What the fu is Right? But it was fu. Ing delicious.

[Don LaGreca]

But how. But how is that was. How is that an option?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Natalie had it for dinner last night, and I. I went in the fridge, and I'm like, ah, I'm in a rush. She goes, you can have. She goes, you want. And she had a little spring roll thing with a little, like. So I guess she goes, you can have all of it. And then I realized that's all I had was the pho.

[Don LaGreca]

And what time was this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I had the pho before I left. Like, 1:30.

[Alan Hahn]

Good for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But now I'm starving, and I'm eating Cheeto dust.

[Alan Hahn]

Good for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm worried about my blood sugar.

[Alan Hahn]

You'll be fine. You're gonna make it. I believe in you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Alan Hahn]

It's really inspiring how you. Power.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm gonna. By the way, do you know Don? Do you know Don right now?

[Don LaGreca]

Hello.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you know that Don has never. He told me Last week.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never had sushi.

[Don LaGreca]

Never. I like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That got a head turn. That got a legitimate head turn from choice or.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, Nancy thinks it's disgusting. He's never gone to a place that had it.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't go on your own. You're on the road, you've done.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You never, never. You just. It's such a great takeout situation. You just grab it, go to the hotel room.

[Don LaGreca]

Nervous.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Isn't that chocolate Nervous?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm not a big fish guy. No.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you like? What if there is fish? Fish to eat? What. What is it that you would choose?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm usually like. I'm like a shrimp guy, something like that. But I'm usually like, when I go down the shore, I'll have lobster. Because I'm like, I'm a big, like, if I have a.

[Alan Hahn]

Near an ocean.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I'm just.

[Alan Hahn]

Shrimp tempura. You would love shrimp tempura. The easiest roll to get.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shrimp tempura rolls.

[Alan Hahn]

That's such a great starter, isn't it? Right. Like, that's the portal, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, no, And California roll. You can do a California roll. You do shrimp, temporarily warm it up. I mean, I would say I actually trust Don, like, more than the average person who's trying it because I think people would easily get wussed out. I think Don could jump right into, like a spicy tuna and be fine. Like, jump right in.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly what it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can we just do it for lunch one day next week?

[Alan Hahn]

Let's do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll just order some. Yeah, try it out.

[Don LaGreca]

The people that like it. It's Japanese people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they're wonderful.

[Don LaGreca]

No, no, no. I remember one time, like, when we were on the charter with the Rangers. I don't know if this is the way with the Knicks. We're not getting sushi. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it depends on what they order.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, but the players, they. They have at whatever. And then we get. There's a menu and it's in.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm not. I'm not walking up where the players are and grabbing their sushi, right? No, but we were going to Buffalo and it was a lake effect snow in Buffalo. They postponed the game, so we never. We never left Westchester. So everybody got off the plane and we had to wait for our car services to pick us up to take us home.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

And then they came. Big plate of sushi that the players never had to eat. And they gave it and everybody from. They jumped on it like it was money.

[Alan Hahn]

Because it was probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because they were probably pretty good Sushi.

[Alan Hahn]

From wherever they ordered from.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, but I'm just saying the people that love it like absolutely adore it. So I'm sure I will love it. It's just that I never. And plus I'm always worried about sick. What if I don't like, you're not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gonna get on the road?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm always a little timid to experiment on the road.

[Alan Hahn]

Like airport sushi. That's a. That's probably a choice, but. But you don't want to do that, you know, that kind of thing. But. But what we'll do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But yeah, like we'll order's a nice place here.

[Alan Hahn]

How's. How's Tuesday sound? Wanna do a little Tuesday for lunch? Tuesday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Don LaGreca]

That was a filling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, for sure. I mean, well, it depends what you get.

[Alan Hahn]

Not for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. But if you get. If you had. If we order three of us, you guys want Anthony J. Anthony told us.

[Don LaGreca]

That right outside this building is a place called Sugarfish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sugar Fish is a high level. High level sushi.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, don't I deserve the best?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, absolutely. No, no. What I'm saying is Sugar fish is if you jump in with sugar fish.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a good question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you don't like it, it means you don.

[Don LaGreca]

If you want me to try for the first time, like at a gas station.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I don't think so. I think sugar fish is the way to go. Should we go to Sugarfish?

[Alan Hahn]

We'll go to Nobu.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is Nobu and Jay's. I mean, it's a really high level place. Should we go in? Just go sit down like gentlemen.

[Alan Hahn]

You want to like early meet early. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, the great thing about sushi is also doesn't take long. We can still have a 2 o'clock.

[Don LaGreca]

Lunch there and have a full meeting cooked. That's right. Now can I pivot if I don't like it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Absolutely. You get a chicken teriyaki.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'll be fine. You got to trust us. We got you.

[Alan Hahn]

Tuesday.

[Don LaGreca]

Tuesday they got no Rangers.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go. Tuesday, the Knicks play. But it's national tv, so I'm just going for fun. So I don't even have to be like anywhere. So let's do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think I'm good.

[Don LaGreca]

Could change my life, right?

[Alan Hahn]

You fall in love with it and then now just let Nancy know, like you better get on this because this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is what now, now real quick, does answer. Does Nancy hate it or has she not tried it?

[Don LaGreca]

She tried it once and she was grossed out by It.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How old was she when she was? Just, like, years and years ago.

[Don LaGreca]

I think probably in her late 20s. This was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This was like, 1989 with people like, there's this thing called sushi. It's like when they were like, I'm trying this thing called yogging, and they're like, oh, there's a new. There's this new cuisine from Japan called sushi, I believe. It's amazing.

[Alan Hahn]

Change your takeout travel, Don.

[Don LaGreca]

If you like this, it will change.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What you get on the road. It opens. It opens a portal.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

Options.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's definitely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, it's the kind of thing why you don't want to, like, crush tons of it because there is rice there. From a health standpoint, it's a really good, healthy thing to eat.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, they got Japanese yellowtail.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's sugar fish.

[Don LaGreca]

For God's.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go.

[Don LaGreca]

So Anthony's a big. You're a big sushi guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I love sushi. Jacob, we're all in. The two of us, we're in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But let me tell you something.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, so family lunch.

[Don LaGreca]

We got to bring because Jacob for Lent's given up meat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, well, you can eat fish.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, he's been. Oh, yeah. Definition of me to jamming like a bear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, good.

[Alan Hahn]

Love it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, we're in.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a sacrifice. By the way, Jake, very proud of you for Lent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at you.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't realize.

[Alan Hahn]

First time back on it. Yeah, I like it. Kenny's in Babylon. What's up, Kenny?

[Don LaGreca]

Hey, guys.

[Alan Hahn]

How we doing? Good.

[Don LaGreca]

About the call you're talking about Alan, about Sidor Sanders. I mean, I think his skill set is amazing, too, that for the Giants.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There'S such an old room.

[Don LaGreca]

That's the kind of guy that they probably should take.

[Alan Hahn]

How far back in the draft do.

[Don LaGreca]

You think they would want to take them, though, if you guys think they shouldn't take him at three, maybe at eight or nine of the Giants pick that idea?

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I want to find out is, does he get past the Raiders? And there are some people that think he won't get past the Jets. I don't know about that, but that's where I think, you know, the wheelhouse would be if. I will be shocked if he's still there at the 10. And if he is, then it'll take a lot for you to convince me that it doesn't have to do with Deion. That's what I think, Kenny.

[Don LaGreca]

Now, Nate sent a tweet saying, I guess Todd McShay was on. In order for the Giants to trade back into the first round to get Shador, the Giants would have to give up a 2 this year and a 1 and 2 or 3 next year. Don't see them doing that. That is a lot. That's a big sacrifice. Not an easy thing. Now they do have 34, so their two is first round of Jays.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

So they gotta feel like they could maybe move up the whole idea. In a perfect world, you like to see them fall to the second round. So you don't have the fifth year option. Deal. But listen, can I see. Let's just say for sake of argument, he's there at 21. Giants and Steelers have a relationship. Giants decide they want to make a deal. Would I take them at 21? Yeah, maybe any. I made my pick at three. Then that's.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, of course. Then if you don't, you're a fool. But you're a fool if you don't do it there.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But I just. Again, I'm only pushing back on the idea that when you go into a draft, you have priorities. And this is their main priority. It's their biggest need. It is. You can't tell me there's another bigger need on the roster for long term. And so I just feel like you just keep trying to find that guy. That's. That's all I'm talking about. Um, let's take Felicia in Mississippi. Hello, Felicia.

[E]

Hey, guys. How's it going?

[Don LaGreca]

Good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Felicia, I have to tell you something.

[E]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your gift was so thoughtful and sweet. Alan, I think you were gone that day. I think it was right before my voice fell apart. Felicia sent Natalie a beautiful Rocky. How would you describe it, Felicia? It was like a photo, but with writing on it. Like a beautiful little canvas with Rocky on it.

[E]

I think they were described as like a photo or a table plaque. I think is what they're called table plaque.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's really lovely. And I just want you to know it is currently on its little easel thing on the nightstand next to Natalie's bed. That was incredibly sweet and touching. I meant a lot.

[E]

Well, I'm glad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you, Felicia.

[E]

I was able to do a little bit. Yeah, of course. But real quick, because I tried to get through yesterday, but it was late when I called. I wanted to kind of say something. Peter, you said something about Billy Joel yesterday, about him being able to kind of, like, play a role even though he's not it. And it made me think of one of my favorite of his songs, which is Ballad of Billy the Kid. And he did a live studio broadcast in Philadelphia that was supposed to be recorded and it didn't get recorded. This is like right after Cold Spring Harbor. And it's funny because, like, excuse me, I was outside Feed the Horses, so I'm a lot of breath. But in the studio broadcast, he goes, you know, this is my idea of a western. And me being from New York, I know all about westerns. And the crowd didn't get the joke at first. Then he was like, it's a joke laugh. And it was really funny.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that is a funny one you mentioned too, because, like, even, for example, the clopity clop at the beginning of Ballad of Billy the Kid is so cheesy. It's like so like. Like it's like he's been doing a silly musical.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I think that's at times why people who don't get Billy Joel don't like him, because they don't understand. It's sort of intentionally. Intentionally theatrical and even borderline silly in moments.

[Alan Hahn]

Sarcastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Tongue in cheek, if you will.

[Alan Hahn]

Better put.

[E]

Yeah. But, yeah, that was just from yesterday. But today I just kind of wanted to pipe up on the hockey, of course. And I'm so frustrated. I know that we're not that good and we wouldn't have made a run, but, you know, just looking back a week ago, we were a point out and if we had beaten Vancouver, we would have been in the playoff spot. And I know there's no shame in losing to Tampa and Carolina, but it's just so frustrating because it just really seems like the team just is just completely deflated. And now the stuff with Declare and I feel bad for Wall because I think he is a good coach. No, really odd.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm with you. Let's see. Felicia. I think they got the right coach. I think he has no filter. And it's shocking to some people, but the Declare stuff is straight. Like, remember that's one of his guys. Like, he wanted him.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And to use God awful as a way to describe his play is one thing, but the next day, like, the story today to advance it is that they met this morning to talk it out. And declare, I guess, needed some time away to. To. I don't know what was the word? To. He had to think about it. It's just strange.

[E]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Like it's the end of the season.

[Don LaGreca]

Your team's trying to make the playoffs.

[Alan Hahn]

And you're like, you know, I got. I gotta. I gotta think of some things. Right now, I gotta take a step away. If the groin is that big of an issue, which it's gotta be, right, Felicia? Like, he's been hurt since the start of the season. He tried to come back. He doesn't look like he's playing hard. Now, that could be a groin injury that he's trying to play through, because those are for skaters. Brutal. So if that's it, then, okay, then shut it down. But don't. Don't start taking it personal because the coach is telling you you're not playing well. So if you're hurt, you got to tell.

[Don LaGreca]

He shouldn't embarrass a player like that. Now, listen, it's not apples and apples, but, you know, if you remember his exit from Montreal because he wasn't pulled in nine goals against Detroit, he felt insulted. Now, Anthony Duclair is not Patrick Waugh, but he should know that these players are prideful, and if you want to rip them in the room, I'm sure he said all that to him before, but does it have to go public and embarrass the player? And players nowadays, that's probably not the way to get out. So if you were trying to inspire him for the run, and then now he's walked away, now he needs, I.

[Alan Hahn]

Think, Patrick, with all his ability to speak English, I do think he has awkward English moments where he just said he has no. It sounds like he has no filter. Where he just says it. Then he doesn't realize, like, oh, wait, that wasn't. That was kind of rude.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, remember, he said penalty. Kill you, kill me.

[Alan Hahn]

Remember?

[Don LaGreca]

That wasn't. That wasn't a problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love that quote.

[Alan Hahn]

We'll finish up with a few calls, a few thoughts. But first, Peter, may I have a message this time? Can you say please? Pretty please?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fine.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, guys, let me talk to you about Amazon pickup and what it can do for you. First and foremost, you gotta be thinking Amazon and what you order from Amazon all the time, right? You're watching video. It's a daily part of your life. So what's Amazon pickup? Well, Amazon pickup allows you to send your orders to a secure pickup location that you can choose so when delivery to your home or apartment isn't ideal, packages can go directly to a convenient pickup location, like an Amazon locker, a counter. Listen, between work and a newborn at home, my schedule's crazy. Amazon pickup gives me peace of mind. It lets me pick up my packages on my own time. So you can order online and at checkout. You simply select the pickup location that works best for you and when your package arrives, you get a delivery confirmation email that notifies you that your package is ready with pickup instructions. Great for when you're out and about. Amazon pickup is secure and convenient too. It's a delivery solution, all right, that you can get. So what are you doing? It's convenient and it's an amazing way to get your Amazon packages at no additional cost. Head to Amazon.com pickupmvp to learn more. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same Premium Wireless for $15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to [e-mail].

[Alan Hahn]

Switch upfront payment of $45 for three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Month plan equivalent to $15 per month.

[Alan Hahn]

Required intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees, extra fee, full [e-mail] thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Lakers going for a clean sweep.

[Don LaGreca]

First round match?

[Alan Hahn]

Could be.

[Don LaGreca]

I can't get with they're tipping at what, 10?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's it's and it's TNT.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm winding down at that point. Yeah, I don't that's a late night. Like I did. I got home like about 11:30 from the game last night. That's about all I can give you at this point.

[Alan Hahn]

I hear you. I'M with you. But we'll be talking about it tomorrow and get up, so I'm gonna have to.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, you're at a wedding, like you read about it.

[Alan Hahn]

I gotta watch that. Steph Curry versus LeBron. The Expendables.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're up early. You're up early again tomorrow.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, sir.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Back at it again.

[Alan Hahn]

Just, you know, grinding.

[Don LaGreca]

I love you.

[Alan Hahn]

It's what we do.

[Don LaGreca]

How about when's your next vehicle, Peter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. We had talked about one next week, but then I didn't know if the one I did today replaced it or not.

[Alan Hahn]

So, quick question. Do you want the real RFM or do you want another impersonation?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's hear a quick impersonation if we have time. Then go right to him.

[Alan Hahn]

Barry and Comac. How quick can you be here, Alan?

[Bart Scott]

Don. Peter, real quick. I've said it before. You guys are the best threesome there is. I think to find a better one, you got to go back to 1982 when you had Janet, Chrissy Snow and Jack Tripper. Okay, enough of that. Don, this one's for you. 1961, this day in history at the Polo Grounds, the Kickball Invitational. There was a player, Shecky Moskowitz. His calves were the size of watermelon. Okay, enough of that. Peter. Hypothetical Bart Star. It is prime versus John Cena in a steel cage match. Who wins and what is the finishing move? I think that is a very interesting question.

[Alan Hahn]

Very fantastic, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

John Cena and Bart Starr. The combo is too good for words.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, maybe now let's change our plan. Instead of doing the Caller Palooza, maybe we do. We have Richard and then Richard impersonate fake Richards.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, wait. So it just becomes Richard Palooza or Richard Kahn?

[Don LaGreca]

Richard Kah.

[Alan Hahn]

Richard Cobb would definitely be the way to go. Can we get Richard here for like one minute?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's try Richard.

[Bart Scott]

We got a minute, Don. Peter Allen, Lakers, Golden State. Five hall of Famers were watching Carmelo Anthony. What he did will never be done. Ever. And what he did never was done. A freshman leading a collegiate NCAA team since 73 when freshmen were allowed. He's the only one. He's the only collegiate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it could happen this weekend.

[Bart Scott]

Richard, a freshman, leading the whole team. I don't know about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I off on Cooper flag? I mean it literally. It's probably going to happen, Richard.

[Bart Scott]

Peter, by the way, did you know that three out of the four coaches this weekend, the NCAA tournament are Jewish?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Three out of four.

[Bart Scott]

Yes. Three out of the four John Shire golden and Bruce Pearl. Three and a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We don't. We. We don't. Speaking on behalf of the Jewish contingent. We don't claim Shire, but the rest of them. Sure, absolutely.

[Don LaGreca]

Wait a minute.

[Bart Scott]

We don't claim Jerry of Jewish basketball in today's time, I believe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you, Richard.

[Alan Hahn]

Real quick, Richard, real quick.

[Bart Scott]

In the 1960s, hockey, we played. You know what the puck was? It's street hockey in the street. With their roller skates. With the key. Electrical tape. Black electrical tape. And the two sticks were.

[Alan Hahn]

Man, my dad got so mad.

[Bart Scott]

Or Sherwood.

[Alan Hahn]

Sherwood. Yeah. Yes, that was the brand. Peter, we got Richard. We gotta go here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Love you, Richard.

[Alan Hahn]

My father got so mad at us because he had a. It probably wasn't cheap and needed it. All right. Before whatever project he was doing every weekend, it was something and we just took it out onto the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So what would you do? Would you wrap it around something or just literally wrap just the tape?

[Alan Hahn]

Just the tape looked like a puck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Enough like a puck and would get hard.

[Alan Hahn]

And you're, you know, we're 10 years old. What do we know? We're slapping around now. You can't. You can't get to the tape. You can't use it. So it's useless. Roll of tape.

[Don LaGreca]

I think I saw the hole that there are three Jewish head coaches in the final four and they start talking about the great Jewish Pitzman, Larry Brown, and they throw Hubie Brown in. And that's not true. Hubie wasn't Jewish. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think Hubie's Jewish.

[Don LaGreca]

Jewish.

[Alan Hahn]

Brendan went to a Catholic school.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So that. I mean, that's not necessarily a giveaway, but they're all. You never know.

[Don LaGreca]

Actually, Hughie was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's possible Hubie is married a non Jewish woman. And then they just kind of moved the face off. Lost the face off back to the electrical.

[Alan Hahn]

That's one of the things you just never asked the question. Right? Like.

[Don LaGreca]

Like, I don't care.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it doesn't matter. It absolutely doesn't matter. He tells me 10. It says 15 on the clock. What am I doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He knows that. He knows that we're done.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's 15 on the clock.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he knows that we're dumb. He doesn't trust us.

[Don LaGreca]

We got a game to go to.

[Alan Hahn]

We do, but we also have sushi to eat. So we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know what's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.