Hour 4: World Cup Rating & Calls

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: World Cup Rating & Calls (July 21, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode, the trio of Don Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, and (primarily) Anthony dive into the TV ratings for the 2026 FIFA World Cup Final, discuss how soccer is evolving in the U.S., debate LeBron James' hypothetical next landing spot, reminisce about the most watched events in TV history, and take engaging listener calls on everything from LeBron's legacy to hockey icons. The signature mix of stats, sports banter, and New York attitude defines the hour.

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World Cup 2026 Final TV Ratings: Breaking Records

Key Segment: 00:40 – 04:22

• The show kicks off discussing the U.S. viewership numbers for the 2026 World Cup Final: Argentina vs. Spain.
• Anthony reveals the numbers to Peter, who guesses high. The actual figures:
  • Total U.S. viewers: 38,937,000 (rounded to 39 million)
  • Peak audience: 51.6 million viewers between 5:45–6:00 pm
• Historical comparisons:
  • Up 132% from the 2022 final (16.8 million)
  • Most watched soccer telecast in U.S. history
  • Most watched non-NFL broadcast since 2016’s World Series Game 6 (40 million+)
• The crew speculates how many more viewers a USA-involved final would draw.
  • Anthony estimates maybe 42–62 million: “If it did 39 [million], it might do 42…” (03:00)
  • Peter: “Soccer is a beast, man. It’s just a different animal.” (03:34)
• Comparison to other big events:
  • 2022 Olympic gold medal women’s hockey (U.S. vs. Canada): 20.7 million total, peaked at 26 million—impressive given 8am time slot, but not close to the soccer final.

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LeBron James’ Next Chapter: The Sexiest Destination?

Key Segment: 07:00 – 11:22

• Caller “JT in Jersey” launches a LeBron segment, advocating for nostalgia and legacy if LeBron returns to Cleveland.
  • JT: “The reason Cleveland is on the map at all for basketball is because of LeBron James…sandwiching those two dynamics brings marketability.”
• Anthony counters: “To me, the sexy one would be Philly. They haven’t won since 1983…Ben there, done that [in Cleveland].” (09:04)
  • Anthony’s POV: Winning with the Sixers would snap a 43-year drought and add a fourth franchise title to LeBron’s resume.
  • “He’ll never catch Jordan…but he’d win a fourth title with a fourth team, ending a 43-year curse in Philadelphia. To me, that would be sexy.” (10:36)
• Peter (10:03): “It would be a huge thing for sure… The randomness of it makes it very interesting, too.”

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Memorable Quotes

• Anthony: “Soccer fans were watching that game…these are Olympic numbers” (03:30)
• Peter: “Soccer is a beast, man. It’s just a different animal.” (03:34)
• Anthony: “Winning with the Sixers would end a 43-year curse…that would be sexy.” (10:36)

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Most Watched TV Events in U.S. History: Guessing Game

Key Segment: 15:13 – 18:43

• The crew quizzes each other on the all-time most-watched events:
  • Moon landing (1969): Between 125–150 million (17:00)
  • MAS*H finale (1983): 105 million (17:09)
  • Super Bowls: Dominant, but then some historic non-sports outliers.
• Nostalgic observations:
  • “People gathered outside of an appliance store…watch this. That would never happen now.” (17:59, Anthony)
• Quick foray into moon landing conspiracy banter:
  • Peter: “How many people at the time knew the moon landing was fake? That’s the question.” (18:23)
  • Rosenberg: “For me personally, no [doubts].” (18:58)

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Listener Calls: Endings, Streaks, and Icons

Key Segment: 19:56 – 21:27

• Caller references Sixers coach Billy Cunningham’s unique dual championship role as player/coach.
• Name drops: System of a Down’s Serj Tankian, Tim Kurkjian, Steve Sarkisian, Chuck Nock.
• Discussion about the Boston Red Sox’s (hypothetical) 15-game win streak after being 15 under .500: “They were 15 games under…first in sports history?” (20:57)
• Who’s the fourth “old GOAT”?
  • Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, LeBron James—plus Alex Ovechkin (“You haven’t mentioned him, Alex...” 21:00)
  • Anthony confirms Ovechkin’s return: “Washington is gonna be a very, very dangerous team.” (21:08)

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Memorable/Light Moments

• Peter’s disappointment at missing an Ovechkin meet-and-greet: “I was so excited to get a picture with Ovechkin and he didn’t come.” (21:16)
• The show wraps amid playful banter and reminders to listen in via app and YouTube due to scheduling (13:46–14:16).
• Discovery that Aaron Rodgers reconnected with his family, “in at least a decade.” (14:16–14:37)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------| | 00:40–04:22 | World Cup viewership breakdown & Olympic comps | | 07:00–11:22 | Caller on LeBron’s legacy + Philly vs Cleveland | | 15:13–18:43 | U.S. TV history: Most watched events quiz | | 19:56–21:27 | Rapid-fire sports trivia, GOATs & Ovechkin talk | | 14:16 | Rodgers reconnects with family | | 21:53 | Wrap-up & fun banter |

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Closing Thoughts

This episode captures the excitement surrounding soccer’s U.S. moment, classic sports hypotheticals (where next for LeBron?), and the shared language of viewership stats, iconic TV moments, and the legends who transcend their sport. But as ever, it’s all delivered with New York wit, listener engagement, and good-natured teasing.

Listen for: Real talk about the magnitude of the World Cup’s breakthrough in the U.S., fresh takes on LeBron’s endgame, and a dash of nostalgia and conspiracy with that classic Don, Hahn & Rosenberg energy.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Anthony]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Anthony]

All right, so we. The numbers are out. Peter, I don't know if you looked

[Peter]

online, I have not seen it.

[Anthony]

The numbers are out for the final World cup game on Sunday. Argentina, Spain. Not a great game, but competitive. What do you think? I've got the actual number.

[Peter]

All right, what is the number? The US streaming and television US number, right?

[Anthony]

Yeah. No, no, it's the US number.

[Peter]

Give me 65 million.

[Anthony]

65 million. The actual number was 38 million 930. Let's say 39 million.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Anthony]

And it peaked between 545 and 6. So that's at the end of the game, pretty much at over 51 1/2 million.

[Peter]

Okay, what did I say? 59.

[Anthony]

You said 60.

[Peter]

61.

[Anthony]

Best finish for the best tournament ever. 38,937,000 viewers watched FIFA World Cup 2026 finals Sunday afternoon on Fox, the most watched soccer telecast in U.S. history. That's up 132% from the 2022 final. That did 16.8 million. Most watched non NFL telecast on any network since 2016. Just World Series game six on Fox did over 40 million. Peak audience of 51.6 million between 545 and six. Good numbers.

[Peter]

Those are good numbers. So let me ask you a question. What's the number if the US is playing?

[Anthony]

You know what I'm going to tell you, I'm going to surprise you.

[Peter]

Not that much better.

[Anthony]

It'll be better, but I don't think that much better. It might get to the like 61, 62. But if it did 30, if it did 39, I might do 42 because I think soccer fans were watching that game. You. And because here's the thing, if you're a US fan, you're invested, you're a soccer fan. It's a final. You've been watching. You're gonna watch the final. It's Sunday afternoon. You're gonna watch Right. If the US is involved. Like how, like what number was the US doing when. When they lost to Belgium. What was the final number there? Oh, it was 24, 25, something like that.

[Peter]

I think it may have peaked in the 30s.

[Anthony]

So you really think it's going to double the final? That's a lot. That's a lot.

[Peter]

But remember, it's Sunday, 3:00 clock and final. No, you're right. It would go up. I'd say it might be 10 million higher than it was.

[Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe. But listen, those are incredible numbers.

[Peter]

I mean soccer is a beast, man. It's just. It's just a different animal.

[Anthony]

Yeah, it's different than anything you're gonna see. And it's every four years. I mean we. These are Olympic numbers, you know, because the Olympics are kind of the same thing. It's a rare event.

[Peter]

But what Olympic, What Olympic events do this?

[Anthony]

Well, well, Anthony, what was the number for US Canada, the gold medal game?

[Rosenberg]

I'm checking now. 20.7 in the US

[Peter]

so.

[Rosenberg]

Peaked at 26 million during overtime.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So not, not a bad number.

[Bus Rolney]

Most pre watched.

[Peter]

Not this.

[Rosenberg]

The Most watched pre 9am sporting event in US history.

[Peter]

Well, that's a terrible time slot too.

[Anthony]

Yeah, that would have done a much better number if it was at 3 o' clock in the afternoon and not 8 o' clock in the morning.

[Rosenberg]

26 million.

[Bus Rolney]

That was good.

[Rosenberg]

That was.

[Anthony]

That's good.

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[Anthony]

You're finally on. You're on ESPN. What's up buddy?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, hey bros. Gay. Hey, how you doing, Don? Don, before to the Cosby visual of you going to a garage sale, comparing it to Peters, talking about like these authentic kind of vintage threads, just making that analogy between, you know, walking down the street, you stop at the garage. Sally, maybe you're fiddling around with a Cosby DVD and it's like 50 cents. Just a hilarious thing. But to my point, guys, the, the LeBron conversation, his landing place. Yeah, I got the vibe that you were kind of underestimating the value of a Cleveland reemerg again with LeBron because he's got something to prove again, just like he had to prove when he came into the league. So I think that sandwiching those two kind of dynamics for his career, I think that's going to actually bring a lot of like marketability to, to, to LeBron James and just the NBA in general. The reason Cleveland is on the map at all for basketball is because of LeBron James in general. So I think you can kind of bring a level of nostalgia back into that, too, by bringing in combination to. With the championship chances as well. It's not like Cleveland's going anywhere either. And like, I think, you know, you say it's not a sexy thing. Yeah, Cleveland, Ohio. Like, what? You're not going to find those things there. But I think with the, you know, career kind of like winding down aspect coming at it from there. But where else, too, besides for LeBron to win? Like, I was thinking that, you know, I don't know what the budget looks like in San Antonio, but somewhere like that where he can, like, unite with Pop, who's always had kind of a relationship with, you know, to me.

[Anthony]

To me, the sexy one would be Philly. They haven't won since 1983. So he. So there would be that sexiness of like, hey, the Knicks hadn't won in 53 years. Philly hasn't won in 43 years. Remember, he's been back to Cleveland already. He's won the title in Cleveland. So if he wins the title in Cleveland. Been there, done that. If he goes to Miami, wins the title. Been there, done that. All right, he's not going to go. I don't think Golden State. Yeah, he'd win a title in Golden State, but Golden State's won a bunch of titles. San Antonio, I mean, that would be almost. That would almost cheapen it. Go to the team that went to the finals last year. I'm not saying Cleveland would be nothing because he would be going home. And it could be a story without him winning, that he went home. Nobody's gonna kill him if he doesn't win in Cleveland. He's already won there. But to me, Philadelphia is sexy. And listen, I'm no Philly fan, but 43 years without a championship, they haven't won since Dr. J.

[Peter]

It would be a huge thing for sure.

[Anthony]

And it's a big market. He gets to play with Jaylen Brown. I just. To me, that's sexier. But listen, it's in the eye of the beholder, right? I mean, I don't think there's any right or wrong answers. I just think going back to Cleveland, it's redundant. The only thing, the two things that I will give you about Cleveland, Peter, is that if he didn't win, he wouldn't get killed for it, because just going home would be a thing. And also, Cleveland would have a really good chance. They went to the conference final.

[Peter]

Well, that's the part that I think you're not giving enough credit to and

[Anthony]

so hey, they probably don't blow the 20 point lead in the first game if LeBron's there and now they're up one nothing. It changes the whole series. But from a sexy standpoint, going to Philadelphia and if he was able to win there, win with another team now he won with the Lakers, he's won with Miami, he's won with Cleveland, he'd win with a fourth team. He'll never catch Jordan going four, going six for six. But he'd win a fourth title with a fourth team, ending a 43 year curse in Philadelphia. To me, that would be sexy.

[Peter]

And it's just like random. I don't think it's going to happen, but I think the randomness of it makes it very interesting too Smalls here

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Rosenberg]

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[Peter]

Tomorrow's the big day before the birthday show. You know there's no show like that.

[Anthony]

No show like the birthday show. And also we should remind everybody because The Mets are a 220 vehicle tomorrow that we will at least start app only. And YouTube we should say Apple app and YouTube are always the go to and then we'll be joined by 880 a little bit later on. Yankees got a split double header tomorrow as well. They've got rained out because it's gonna be a tough night tonight. Weather wise. I don't think tomorrow's gonna be any gem either.

[Peter]

So now I did. I forgot something in ENN that I meant to. I actually cared about this and didn't get to it. Aaron Rodgers has finally reconnected with his estranged family.

[Anthony]

Yes. I saw this for the first time

[Peter]

in at least a decade. Rogers was together with the family, shared pictures with his mom, one with his dad and one with his brother Luke, and wrote another bonding week. Famous Jordan Rogers still not there.

[Anthony]

Hmm. I love Bobby. Well, Matt was asking on social media did the, did the numbers, were they the streaming numbers included in and I don't know. He said, I don't know if I'm being trolled, but he's like the peacock numbers. The games wasn't on Peacock.

[Rich Eisen]

That wasn't.

[Peter]

No, there were like somehow was on in like multiple places.

[Anthony]

I don't even. I'm sure they counted every number. They could now be water my friends. And he's got Bruce Lee as his avatar. That makes sense. Jeff Bezos is talking about like the most viewed things live broadcast and Super Bowl 60. Because LX is 60, right?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

137 points.

[Peter]

Really? Two biggest numbers. Not debate Give me Hillary and Trump.

[Anthony]

No.

[Peter]

No Oscars. No Hillary and Trump. Non sports.

[Anthony]

Not on this list here.

[Peter]

Nonsense. Is any of it political?

[Anthony]

No. Okay, well, one you should know, definitely. Because it gets brought up. It's among all the super. It's the one thing that's not a Super bowl on the most watched things.

[Peter]

I always thought that's the Oscar. It's the non.

[Anthony]

With 105 million.

[Peter]

105 million people.

[Anthony]

You should know that.

[Peter]

You're gonna be like, oh, okay, hold on, give me a second.

[Anthony]

And you're gonna be like, it's corny. And you probably didn't see it, might even hate it.

[Peter]

How often does it happen?

[Anthony]

No, it was a one time thing.

[Peter]

It was a one time.

[Anthony]

These two things are one time things.

[Peter]

They're both one time things, Anthony. You know what they are?

[Rosenberg]

I do not.

[Peter]

One time things that rated up over 100 million viewers.

[Anthony]

The way they broke it down here, that Super Bowl. And then there's an event that did between 125 and 150 million. And then this one in traditional television. So there might have been the things between the 105 and 150, but these are the three things that cover three different genres.

[Peter]

Just real quick, can you give me the eras?

[Anthony]

I'll tell you, I'll give you the year.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Anthony]

1969.

[Peter]

Moon land.

[Anthony]

The moon Land.

[Peter]

All right, give me that.

[Anthony]

And 1983, TV like a show.

[Peter]

Oh, the Dallas finale.

[Anthony]

No, the Mash. Mash finale.

[Peter]

Sorry, what am I doing?

[Anthony]

Because you always see that, like, just like it's. Listen, I'll be honest.

[Peter]

Was that big?

[Anthony]

It's crazy. I'm surprised. It was only between 125 and 150 million to watch the moon landing.

[Peter]

Right.

[Anthony]

I would almost think everyone that had a television watch that now. I. I wasn't alone. I was. I was one, I want to say was in the middle of the day, so probably affected it. If they landed on the moon at 8 o' clock at night, how would anybody not watch that?

[Peter]

Well, also there were less TVs. You know, you could have a home there without a TV.

[Anthony]

No, like in 1969, there could still

[Peter]

be homes without TVs. People hanging on. People like your dad. Well, I'm all good.

[Anthony]

You know what was a thing back then that would never happen now? People gathered outside of an appliance store, gotta watch this. And they'd have the TV on in the front window.

[Peter]

I know, because they show it in movies at least.

[Anthony]

And I don't know if they still do this Peter, they probably threw it up in Times Square.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Anthony]

Now, I don't know. Did they have a big jumbotron type of thing in Times Square in 1969?

[Peter]

I don't know. And how many people at the time knew that the moon landing was fake? That's the question.

[Anthony]

How do people think it's fake?

[Peter]

I'm starting. I'm getting slightly pushed that direction, but slightly.

[Anthony]

But they left things on the moon,

[Peter]

so how do we know? I could see it still. Yeah, you can see it right now.

[Anthony]

They've got ways to be able to look at the. See the footprints and everything up there. Now Anthony has.

[Peter]

Anthony, tell me the truth.

[Rich Eisen]

Yes.

[Anthony]

Between me, you, just us girl and the walls.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Caller or Guest]

Sure.

[Peter]

Has any part of you gotten pushed towards. Maybe it's not real.

[Rosenberg]

For me personally, no.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

That's just me, though.

[Peter]

I just. I don't know why. It's like, when I do look at how bad the video looks, I'm like, wow, they were on the moon.

[Anthony]

We're lucky we had video.

[Peter]

How did we have.

[Rosenberg]

We were at war.

[Peter]

How do we have video, though?

[Anthony]

Well, we had video. It was poor video.

[Peter]

How do they even do the video? Who shot the video?

[Anthony]

They did.

[Peter]

They brought a camera also.

[Anthony]

Wouldn't you. Could you imagine? They land, they go, we forgot the camera. Damn. What do we do? I will draw pictures.

[Peter]

By the way, Don, if you want the. If you want the show to go and we got. Let's be honest, sports wise tomorrow, God only knows if you want the show to go completely haywire and have phone calls filled for four hours. If we do a prove to me that the moon landing did or didn't happen. I bet we're four hours in. People are obsessed with this topic. I'm only. I'm playing around. I haven't really done the dive. People are crazy.

[Anthony]

I don't want to be like Alan, you got a minute and a half? Richard, go.

[Caller or Guest]

You guys mentioned Philly in 83 to sixes. Billy Cunningham was the coach. He won a championship with Philadelphia and then won a championship as a coach and a hall of famer. Him and Bill Russell are the only two guys that did that. Don, the system at a downs lead singer. Serj Tankian.

[Anthony]

Yes, I read his book. Very good.

[Caller or Guest]

Tim Kirchin. Steve Sarkeesian. My Last name is McCallion. Harry from Inglewood. Cleaves Harry. Chuck Nock. John was from my church up in Washington. Sure. Alexis Ohanian. Of course. Fellas, Boston Red Sox. If they win tonight, 15 game winning streak. They were 15 games under, I would bet. I don't know for sure. The first team in sports history 15 games under to then go on to a 15 game winning streak. You mentioned three old goats yesterday. Tom Brady, Lionel Messi and LeBron James. Am I correct? Yes. The one goat you guys haven't mentioned. Old guy that's connected to both of you guys. And Don, I'm very surprised at you.

[Rich Eisen]

Alex.

[Caller or Guest]

You haven't mentioned him. Alex Ovenston. Is he coming back? He's got those two new guys from St. Louis.

[Anthony]

No, he's definitely.

[Caller or Guest]

I hope he comes back.

[Anthony]

He had announced it is coming back and he'll play with Kyru and he'll play with Tuck and Washington is gonna be a very, very dangerous team.

[Peter]

When I was at Lids the other day, I was doing my thing and they said, oh, just you know that we're gonna be having a thing with Ovechkin here at the same time. And I was so excited to get a picture with Ovechkin and he didn't come.

[Anthony]

Aw yeah. I would like the time tomorrow. 3 o'.

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[Anthony]

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[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I don't want to know how the

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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