Episode 200 | Don’t Call Me Snow Bunny

Summary

Don’t Call Me White Girl – Episode 200 | Don’t Call Me Snow Bunny
Release Date: July 22, 2025
Host: Don’t Call Me White Girl (aka Mona)
Guest: Dr. Umar Johnson
Special Appearance: Phelps

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Episode Overview

This milestone 200th episode of “Don’t Call Me White Girl” features the long-anticipated guest, Dr. Umar Johnson—psychologist, Pan-Africanist, and controversial commentator on Black culture and politics. The conversation is candid, unfiltered, occasionally humorous, and at times incendiary. Mona and Dr. Umar traverse a wide range of subjects, including Black identity, colorism, politics, relationships, education, the Black Lives Matter movement, and the complex dynamics of interracial relationships. This episode is as much a celebration of Mona's journey as a podcaster as it is a provocative exploration of some of the most urgent, difficult, and taboo topics in contemporary Black America.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Celebrating 200 Episodes & Setting the Scene

[01:54–03:09]

• Mona celebrates her 200th episode with gratitude for her listeners (“cousins”) and introduces her special guest, Dr. Umar Johnson.
• Dr. Umar interprets the number 200 as symbolic of “balance” and a new chapter.

  “Two represents balance. One and one. So this 200th podcast is taking you into the other side of your destiny.” —Dr. Umar [03:33]

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2. Philadelphia Politics, Racism, & Power

[04:27–07:26]

• Discussion of Philadelphia roots, the recent city workers’ strike, and Black female leadership (Mayor Sherrell Parker).
• Dr. Umar expresses concern about Black politicians being manipulated and set up to fail, especially Black women.

  “I really felt that there were powers operating behind her that were manipulating that set of circumstances...” —Dr. Umar [05:12]

• Mona points out Philadelphia’s entrenched racism, referencing the MOVE bombing and police brutality.

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3. Israel-Palestine, Black Celebrity Politics & Hypocrisy

[06:30–10:44]

• Mona shares discomfort about Mayor Parker’s public support for Israel.
• Dr. Umar explains the influence of pro-Israeli lobbying (AIPAC) on Black politicians and celebrities.

  “Most of our celebrities are under Israeli control... they own the NBA, Hollywood, the music industry.” —Dr. Umar [08:04]

• Critique of Black American inconsistency and silence over Israel—especially after Kamala Harris’ support—versus strong support for Palestine pre-nomination.

  “Your principles cannot be conditional. If they're conditional, they're not principles.” —Dr. Umar [09:45]

• Dr. Umar clarifies his position: he doesn’t stand for any group before Black people, listing neglected struggles in Haiti, Congo, Ethiopia, and the Somali community.

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4. Black Community, Segregation, and Self-Acceptance

[10:44–12:36]

• Deep dive into the legacy of slavery and ongoing desire for Black people to find acceptance from outside communities.

  “How do you build black power if black people don't even want to live next to each other?” —Dr. Umar [11:16]

• Mona asks about the implications of interracial dating (leading into the “snow bunny” theme).
• Dr. Umar argues that any public dating outside the race sets a negative example for Black children:

  “The little black girl can see Dr. Umar is more invested in this white woman than he is in a black woman. And that's a problem.” —Dr. Umar [12:13]

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5. Mixed Race Identity & Blackness

[12:36–17:30]

• Dr. Umar shares his dating history (never dated white women; mixed-race is acceptable if the person identifies as Black full-time).
• Explains that mixed-race children have historically understood racism on unique terms due to experience in white family spaces.

  “A mixed race African, if they're conscious, can understand racism better than you and I because when they go home, they get the real white person...” —Dr. Umar [17:07]

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6. Can White People Be in Black Liberation? / BLM & Population Control

[19:02–27:05]

• Dr. Umar firmly claims that white people can't be part of the Black liberation movement, elaborating on FBI and police infiltration of Black movements.
• Discusses the origins of Black Lives Matter, its grassroots roots, then corporatization by “opportunists” and the influence of George Soros.

  “He’s a population control junkie ... BLM's job was to hijack leadership ... toward LGBTQ leadership.” —Dr. Umar [23:02] “[BLM] raised millions upon millions of dollars. I never heard about them getting an IRS audit.” —Dr. Umar [24:07]

• Dr. Umar argues that certain social issues within Black communities (e.g. homosexuality) were imported through integration, asserting controversial views on their African origins and discussing the history of eugenics.

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7. Racism, Education, and Reform

[28:08–31:19]

• Dr. Umar deconstructs the difference between bigotry and systemic racism:

  “A bigot hates you because you black. Racism is business.” —Dr. Umar [29:44]

• Debates whether “teaching white children Black history” can reduce racism and concludes that’s not an effective solution; empowerment comes from teaching Black children.

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8. Religion, Spirituality, and Pan-Africanism

[31:31–37:39]

• Reflects on religious experiences in Black Muslim communities, recounting anti-Blackness among other Muslims.

  “Black people are the only people who let religion blind them to racism. Nobody else is blind to racism except Negroes.” —Dr. Umar [33:52]

• Proclaims that “being Black is the religion for Black people... I want black power.” [37:31]

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9. Mental Health, Schooling, and Therapy

[56:18–68:08]

• Dr. Umar explores the mistrust of White therapists, the shortage of Black mental health providers, and systemic failures in education leading to the over-diagnosis and tracking of Black children into special education.
• Reveals the financial incentives for schools to place children in special education and the role of parents’ consent.

  “Special ed is big business. The failure of black children is big business.” —Dr. Umar [67:38]

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10. Social Engineering, Drug Epidemics, and Conspiracies

[58:59–62:48]

• Dr. Umar claims the ADD/ADHD diagnosis surge began the same year as the crack epidemic (1980), characterizing it as social engineering.

  “We're going to addict all fatherless black boys to a chemical substance.” —Dr. Umar [59:06]

• Further explores the consequences of medicalizing Black children and the history of government-sanctioned experiments against Black people.

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11. Conspiracies, History, and Distrust in Institutions

[59:51–64:32]

• Mona expresses concern over being misled by “conspiracy theories,” with Dr. Umar referencing historic government abuses (e.g., COINTELPRO, J. Edgar Hoover’s mixed-race lineage) and questions about the Black community accepting official narratives.
• Dr. Umar: “A conspiracy theory is any truth that's not sanctioned by the government.” [101:09]

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12. Black Relationships, Marriage, and Sexual Politics

[93:31–150:12 and interspersed]

• Dr. Umar discusses polygamy, colorism, requirements for his future wives, and the importance of visibility of Black love for the next generation.

  “Two queens. Two wives... They cannot be the same complexion.” —Dr. Umar [93:54]

• The conversation turns explicit and comedic, with Dr. Umar’s take on sexual compatibility, relationships, monogamy, cheating, and the importance of not revealing sexual histories.

  “Never tell a man when is the last time you've been with another man.” —Dr. Umar [131:20]

• Discussion of sexual double standards, gendered responses to infidelity, and the emotional costs.

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13. Parenting, Family Cycles, and Breaking Generational Trauma

[91:32–146:08]

• Mona and Dr. Umar reflect on how to break cycles of criminality, abuse, and low self-awareness in Black families, emphasizing self-awareness as critical.

  “The three most important things when it comes to breaking family cycles... is self-awareness.” —Dr. Umar [91:39]

• Advice on not having favorite children to prevent sibling rivalry.

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14. Education Activism & Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy

[172:24–175:13]

• Dr. Umar gives practical advice for Black parents navigating schools.
• Promotes the upcoming opening of the Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy in Wilmington, reaffirming its independence from white financial and political influence.

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Notable Quotes

• On Black Political Leadership:
  “I would hate for her to be made a pawn in someone else’s game.” – Dr. Umar [04:43]

• On Pan-African Focus:
  “Don't you ever ask me, as a Pan Africanist, to go and fight for the struggles of another race when my people are still hurting.” – Dr. Umar [10:04]

• On Interracial Relationships:
  “If they don't see black love, why would they want it?” – Dr. Umar [12:13]

• On White Allyship:
  “No black person has a white friend. You just don’t know it yet till they turn on your ass.” – Dr. Umar [31:22]

• On Anti-Blackness in Religion:
  “Black people are the only people who let religion blind them to racism.” – Dr. Umar [33:52]

• On Schools and Special Education:
  “Special ed is big business. The failure of black children is big business.” – Dr. Umar [67:38]

• On Polygamy and Colorism:
  “They cannot be the same complexion ... If they both dark, they gonna call me a dark-skinned supremacist.” – Dr. Umar [94:05]

• On Cheating and Partnership:
  “Don’t leave no good man ‘cuz he got some coochie on his side. Are you crazy?” – Dr. Umar [148:59] “Women cheat because y’all don’t get attention ... Men cheat because we don’t feel appreciated.” – Dr. Umar [138:09]

• On Black Women’s Self-Esteem:
  “The prettiest women in our community have the lowest self-esteem...” – Dr. Umar [144:17]

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Memorable Moments

• Thunder Strikes
  Dr. Umar claims thunder has struck during only three interviews/lectures in his life; it occurs during this recording, which he interprets as a sign from the ancestors. [45:45]

• Mona’s Candidness
  Mona openly discusses her criminal record, family cycles of incarceration, experiences of being assaulted by teachers, and approach to motherhood.

• Mona’s Grandmother and Black Heritage
  Moving story about Mona’s grandmother teaching her about slavery, Black history, and Kwanzaa, reinforcing the episode’s theme of Black self-love.

• Humorous Sexual Banter
  The show’s last hour is laced with sex positivity, frank talk about intimacy, body types, and Dr. Umar’s “requirements”:

  “If you ain't got no walls, I don't want your draws.” – Dr. Umar [143:13]

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Practical Advice (for Listeners)

[172:24–173:57]

• Don’t sign paperwork at school if you don’t understand it.
• Don’t attend school meetings alone.
• Don’t get kids evaluated for special education before age seven, except for speech issues.
• Don’t share all your personal information with schools.
• Request your child’s academic record each year.

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The Show’s Tone & Style

Mona’s style is unapologetic, irreverent, and rooted in everyday Black life, blending humor with vulnerability and cultural critique. Dr. Umar brings a confrontational, charismatic energy, peppering his commentary with slogans and pro-Black rhetoric (“Black Queens forever. Snow bunnies never.” [27:05]) and balancing strong opinions with moments of compassion, spiritual reference, and practical advice.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode serves as both a celebration of Mona’s platform as a safe space for raw, necessary Black conversation and a vehicle for Dr. Umar’s bold, sometimes contentious, perspectives on Black unity, love, and self-determination. The underlying message, revisited throughout: Black love, Black power, and Black community first—and above all else.

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For full, unfiltered context—including many provocative jokes, explicit relationship advice, and more on personal and political conspiracies—listen to the entire episode.

Transcript

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Don't call me right girl Pop your.

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Shit open and grab the nigga by the head again. Call me white girl. Hello cousins, we are here. This is a very exciting day. Episode 200. 200 times I sat this big fat ass right here in front of y' all and brung you the world's best podcast. Me and my boy Phelps, Hugo Phelps. How does it feel to be here 200 times he thought I was going to be petty, but I'm not.

[A]

I don't know. I feel it feels it's accomplished, but it don't feel different.

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Yeah, yeah. I feel like we sat and did something, got something done. Yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna really around with y'. All. It's only been 2 years, 3 months, 33 days of me saying I want the same on this podcast. I said that I would lay out rose petals and wear A dashiki. I might even offer the little cat. Not talk about that. But today is the day. I pulled it off all by myself. Please, everybody in here and at home, even if you home, get the up and give it up for Dr. Umar.

[A]

Let's go to love together.

[B]

Peace and love.

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Peace and love.

[B]

I'm a little excited. If you look around me, I'm not the only one. Right? We did all this forecast. I come in here sweating, eating flies. But today, Dr. Umar, come on. We pull out all the stops. Dr. Umar, welcome.

[A]

Thank you, Queen. Glad to be here. Wilmington, Delaware. Shout out. Don't call me white girl. Sister Mona. It's an honor. 200th that's important. Two represents balance. One in one. So this 200th podcast is taking you into the other side of. Of your destiny. So we expect great things from you for the next 200 episodes.

[B]

God damn.

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Yes.

[B]

Y' all ain't say no shit like that. Cut that up. Dr. Umar, do you remember when I ran down on you?

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Yes. You pulled up at the Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy.

[B]

Yes, I did. Beautiful building, I must say.

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And I said, that's a cute, thick, light skinned queen right there.

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That's exactly what he said. I need to be so honest. No. You are very, very important to us here. Me and Phelps love you. It was real important for us to get you. You. Come on. The 200th episode is so perfect. It's so much I want to talk to you about. Right. We're gonna jump right into it. Both of us are Philadelphians.

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Yes.

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We're both from North Philadelphia.

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Yes.

[B]

Right. Your thoughts on the end of the strike and what in the. The level Chevelle plays in it or. Or everybody. Where everybody plays in it. The union leader. Because they came to some type of agreement. It's over with now.

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Yes. And I'm not familiar with the terms of the quote, unquote ceasefire or the agreement that brought the striking workers back to work, but I was concerned for Mayor Sherrell Parker. I don't know her personally, I've never met her, but when I see a black woman in a position of influence like that, I would hate for her to be made a pawn in someone else's game. And when she decided to hold strong in the negotiations and not give in.

[B]

Right.

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I really felt that there were powers operating behind her that were manipulating that set of circumstances to reduce her popularity in the city, which could affect her reelection in a few years.

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Right.

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So I'm glad it came to this because had it gotten a little Worse, I think she could have reached a point of no return where her positive image. Because I think she has a very positive image amongst our people, unlike some of the previous mayors in the city of Philadelphia. And I began to grow concerned that her reputation was going to take a dip because of this strike. So I'm glad it's over with. I really felt that someone who wanted her out the way was engineering her failure by way of this strike.

[B]

And see, that's a whole different way to look at it. I, I not a big fan of Cheryl Parker as a black woman. That's in the comedy game. Totally male dominated. Right. White male dominant.

[A]

You do comedy?

[B]

Yes, I'm a comedian. Stand up comedian.

[A]

I did not know that.

[B]

Yes, it's male dominated. It's a little tougher. It's a little harder. Right. I can only imagine what a black woman that makes it all the way up to mayor goes through. Right.

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The first black woman mayor in Philadelphia.

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First black woman Ray. Or Philadelphia. And I also don't think that a lot of people know how racist of a history that Philadelphia is.

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Ah, still is racist.

[B]

Exactly. The move bombing Rizzo in general, right?

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Absolutely.

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But Sherrelle made one of my first like intros to Sherrelle was her making videos supporting Israel. And it really bothered me.

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That would bother me too.

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Yeah. I could not.

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That would bother me.

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She had to say anything, let alone saying like say anything backing us when they already have our backing as a country. So it's like what the is the point?

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I'll tell you why, tell me. Because of apic. Aipic, I believe it is the acronym. It is an Israeli based lobbying and Israeli based lobby. And it's probably the single most powerful lobby in the United States. They contribute heavily to political campaigns. I'm not saying she's taking money from apic, I don't know. But I do know that APIC and other Israeli back lobby lobbies play a big role in who gets campaign financing and who gets elected.

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Yeah.

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So a lot, a lot of elected officials, especially Democrats and Republicans, they bow down to Israel because of that money and that control, right?

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Yeah, lobbyist, period. But it's. And I don't know if at home I'm going to assume. Y' all know what lobbyist lobbyists. Just people that back people's campaigns.

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But I mean argue and negotiate and fight for the changes that their clients.

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Want to see in their best interest.

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Absolutely. It also explains why LeBron James stood with Israel. It explains why Floyd Mayweather stood with Israel. In fact, Floyd Mayweather flew a plane full of supplies to Israel, if I'm not mistaken. But I don't think he flew a plane full of supplies for Hurricane Katrina or any of these other natural disasters that black people have been affected by.

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It doesn't surprise me that Floyd Mayweather would support Israel. You know what I mean? It doesn't.

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Now, Lebron, most of our celebrities are under Israeli control.

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Shut up.

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Most of them are.

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So. So if they lobbying for politicians, what are they doing for entertainers? The same thing.

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Control. They have very serious control of branches of entertainment.

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It's pitiful.

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I think they own the NBA. They own Hollywood. They own the music industry.

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Yeah.

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They own the Federal Reserve.

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We might got cut some of this shit out.

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Well, y' all pick and choose. Notice we said Israeli, right.

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And not the. Because you better.

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Yeah, I wouldn't do that to you. This episode 200 and I'm not in.

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A second, I'm not even going to get that far into it. But just in general, I don't know if people understand at home in that war, in that situation. The Israeli goal is to eradicate the Palestinian. There is no selling genocide. They. It's genocide. They want to get rid of every single one. It's case after case where one person is left and the whole family going. His grandparents, his little cousins, his nephews, they want to get rid of all of them. So please.

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But I want to call out the hypocrisy of black America when it comes to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Because prior to former Vice president Kamala Harris receiving the Democratic Party nomination, black people were adamant against the genocide of Palestine. When Kamala Harris received the Democratic Party nomination, when she backed Israel, not a single negro said a word. That is hypocrisy. Don't run around telling people to stand up for Palestine and do this and do that and do this and do that. You. And soon. When Kamala Harris endorses Israel, nobody said nothing.

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That's crazy.

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Your principles cannot be conditional. If they're conditional, they're not principles. Now, with that being said, I got to say this because I've been going back and forth with different people in our community and outside of our community about the fact that I don't publicly stand for Palestine. I publicly stand for righteousness and fairness.

[B]

Right?

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So I'm against the genocide, period. But Dr. Umar is not taking time out of Dr. Umar's life to fight for the Palestinians because I haven't done finished fighting for the Haitians. I'm not done finished fighting for the Congolese. I'm not done finished fighting for the Ethiopians. I'm not done finished fighting for the Somali. Don't you ever ask me, as a Pan Africanist, to go and fight for the struggles of another race when my people are still hurting. And we as black people have put ourselves into this condition, Mona. This corner where every group feels that they. We are obligated to stand for them when they go through their crises, but nobody is obligated to stand with us.

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Is that from slavery?

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A part of it is slavery. A big part of it is slavery. And this is what I mean by that. We are always looking for acceptance. Cuz we've been kept out so long.

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Yeah.

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It feels like this is why we date outside the race. We want acceptance. That's why we move into other people's neighborhoods. We want acceptance. That's why we send our kids to black colleges, white colleges.

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I just feel like I burnt in, out, like I want to try because I. I've ran through it. You know what I mean?

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But here's the thing though. Power is concentrated, right? Power is concentrated. How do you build black power if black people don't even want to live next to each other?

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Damn.

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Are we playing the long game or are we playing the short game?

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Right?

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Because if you playing the long game, black people got to live next to black people or you don't get black power.

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So they're like me, I'm a little late in life. We don't got to discuss the number now. Me getting with somebody, I ain't making no children. You know what I mean? I'm not going.

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You're still young enough to have babies though. You're not.

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I am, but I'm. I in this situation, in this, I meet some white. That's not where we taking it. We just dating. That's still going against the movement, as us, as black people moving us up. Me dating outside my race, even if.

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It'S just you're dating outside your race now.

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No, I never had. I've never dated anybody else besides a black man. Yeah, about to say, I'm asking if even dating without marriage and without making babies, is that the same thing where.

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It'S like not with our advantage, it's the same. Because here's the thing. When I walk down the street with a white woman, the little black girl don't know if I'm gonna marry her or not.

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Facts.

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The little black girl don't know if I'm gonna impregnate her or not. The little black girl don't know if she a baby, mama or fiance. But what that little black girl can see. Dr. Umar is more invested in this white woman than he is in a black woman. And that's a problem. And that's going to hurt her self esteem. We have to look at the example that we are putting out for our children. If they don't see black love, why would they want it?

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Have you ever?

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Never dated outside my race.

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Not even real.

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I've dated two Puerto Rican Africans until I realized that they no longer wanted to be Africans. What's the point? I've had white girls.

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Wait a minute.

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So I've had white girls being attracted to me all through college. You attractive all through college. White girls. And I knew for some of them they wanted me cuz they wanted to see if I was really what I say I was. You know, you could feel it in them. Like if I can get him to clap these cheeks, I can get any black man to clap these cheeks. So I can tell when it's genuine and I can tell when they trying to test King Kong.

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Right?

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You see what I'm saying?

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King Kong.

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But I tell people like this, if I ever sleep with a white woman, you know, she not going to her grave without the world knowing that I don't see a white woman taking that seat. Can you see that? Yeah. I don't see a white woman taking that secret to her grave. If I ever clap pale flat cheeks, the world will know. I want black power. I want black power. I want Martin Malcolm. I want Megan Mandela. I want Huey. I want George Jackson. I want Bunchy Carter. I want Thomas Sankara. What's the. What's. So you said you only. You said Puerto Rican African. So you've never, you never slept with half white, half black? No. Mixed race is fine. Mixed race is fine. If a sister got a white mother and a black father or a black mother and a white father, that's fine. If she identifies as black full time. Do you see that? Yes. It's not just enough to be biologically black. You got to be psychologically black. If you don't identify, I don't accept you.

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Yeah.

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You feel me? Have you went down that road though? Oh, I've dated plenty of mixed race sisters. Okay. And many of my ancestors have dated mixed race. Martin Delaney, the grandfather, Pan Africanism. His wife was a mixed race African. See, on the plantation, because we knew that we had no control over how we came into this world. Because the master could cohabitate with any woman he wanted to. We never rejected the offspring because they had no control over how we got here. This whole I don't mess with black people. If they got a white parent that doesn't have a long, a long lineage. In our history, in fact, in the Pan African movement and we're the oldest political ideology of black people, we've never cut off mixed race Africans. Some of my greatest heroes were mixed race Africans. This even an argument which will never be able to sustain that the prophet Nat Turner, the greatest revolutionary devil walk on American soil, his mother might have been raped by a white man. Oh, we going to cancel Nat Turner. What?

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I mean, I know that I do feel like it's a, it's so new that I don't remember that in my teens or like early 20s where it's like you're not black just because you know your mother. Cuz the thing on Twitter was like, if your mom's white, then I'm not into that. Right. But this is what I will say though. You know how the white girl, she might have a baby and get that asymmetrical Bob and she with that and he do her a little dirty and then she go back home. So that next baby got that straight hair and then she has another one. They got this straight hair. Now when they go to the pool, one of them look real ashy because she don't know how to shea butter her up and get her hair together. But she's the one black one. But now the mom is with a white man. So the whole house is white. Culturally, that's a white girl.

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One of the biggest reasons why, to your point, one of the biggest reasons why I don't think black men should date out the race is if it doesn't work out with that white woman. To your point, there's no greater trauma for a black girl than to be raised by a white woman scorned by a black man who don't know how to take care of black girls. You feel me? Because I've dated mixed race sisters who had white mothers and their mother didn't know how to take care of them. I had one mixed race sister, she was in the Garvey movement. Gorgeous. She told me how her white relatives would make fun of her and her siblings in front of her parents. You follow me? It was like N word right in front of them. Barack Obama talked about this. N word. Yeah. Barack Obama talked about how he heard the N word growing up with his grandparents. Because the one thing we fail to realize is a mixed race African, if they're conscious, can understand racism better than you and I because when they go home, they get the real white person. You feel me? Work is over. This is my house. So if I want to call black people the N word, I'm gonna call black people the N word. You see that?

[B]

They get the real white race and they scary.

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We don't get the real right racist. We get that smile on your face, act like I like you at work, go home. You the N word. They get the real cracker at home. You see what I'm saying? So they tend to understand racism better than we do. The problem is they're so traumatized by it that that a lot of them don't want to accept their black identity.

[B]

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[A]

Absolutely not. Because. And let me explain why.

[B]

I want to tell you something.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

The only Black Lives Matter Raleigh that was here, right? The first one. I was like the keynote speaker. The last speaker was a big deal.

[A]

What year we talking?

[B]

I ever had 2022.

[A]

Okay, that's.

[B]

This is. This is like down south. This is old. This is.

[A]

Okay. It wasn't here.

[B]

It was here. It was in this state. This is a Place where the first police officer arrested.

[A]

Oh, like Sussex county, you saying?

[B]

I'm talking about Newcastle, Delaware. Talking about all the way down to. What's the county for Dover?

[A]

Kent County.

[B]

The state trooper down in Kent county kicked the guy his head while he has his cuffs on. Gave him permanent brain damage. He was a state trooper, never went to jail.

[A]

He.

[B]

It's a boy around the corner from here. He was in a wheelchair. His name was Bam, I think he was yelling loud. Whatever. They shot him. Said he had a gun. I knew Bam's mother. He didn't have a gun. They murdered him in a wheelchair. These officers were never jailed. That's just not something that happens here. Right. It's slower here. And we did that rally. It was one of the most I have never felt. I told people because I walked there and back because it was so much going on that I felt tall. I felt like I was 7 foot tall when I was walking through the crowd. And it was scary. I never. I never get nervous doing comedy, but I was like, nervous. The door. My voice was shaking, but it was huge. Right. We walked through the ghetto, right. And I walked past all my people. Right. But it was all white people. Majority of that crowd was white people. And that was like, hard for me, like, seeing it, you know what I mean? Because I'm walking through the trenches and in trenches with what happens. You know what happens. So that's what I'm walking through. The worst of the worst. How hard it get for us. Right. But I'm walking through a white people to get to our cars like that with me. And it also with me, whether I should trust this support or not. You know what I mean?

[A]

Right.

[B]

I thought half of them was cops. I thought I was tripping. And they could have earpieces. Some of them had earpieces. I say that some of them was police. Yeah. But the bulk of them were just.

[A]

Well, remember it came out that the FBI was paying informants.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To disrupt Black Lives Matter protests and plant bricks during the George Floyd protest.

[B]

Yeah. And they planted bricks and shit.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. That's a fact. I know.

[A]

Remember Dr. King's march in. He was murdered in Memphis. The FBI used informants. The fights that started during the Dr. King March, those was FBI plants. That's why you got to know who you struggling with. You just don't run out there and march with Negroes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because you could be marching with an army full of FBI informants. Yeah. Let's talk about Black Lives Matter itself. BLM was founded by a Group of grassroots brothers and sisters, Right. In Michael Brown's city. What was the name of that town?

[B]

Is that St. Louis.

[A]

Where was right outside of St. Louis. Ferguson, Missouri.

[B]

Right, yeah.

[A]

Black Lives Matter was started by a group of grassroots Africans, the Sisters, who founded the official BLM and incorporated it. They were opportunists because they stole that from the grass.

[B]

The had the mansions, and they turned.

[A]

It into a bourgeoisie thing. And they got funded by George Soros, who's a population control junkie. So why would a population control junkie, AKA eugenicists, be interested in funding Black Lives Matter? Because the founders.

[B]

The blue eye thing, right?

[A]

Yes. It is the systemic reproduction of the master race.

[B]

We don't need words down here. College level.

[A]

Eliminate the blacks, reproduce the Caucasians. That's eugenics. Right. Based on the belief that African people are intellectually inferior to Caucasians and should be bred out of existence. Right, Right. Hitler's whole theory, eugenics, came from a white psychologist, Francis Galton, London, England. He came up with the idea of eugenics. Okay, right. So psychology gave birth to white supremacy. Which is why when people complain about black people not going to get mental health, why would I go to the same devils who caused my people's problems to fix mine? Now stay with blm. The three sisters who founded, I think it was three, I believe they were all lesbian. Allegedly all lesbian, Right. The reason George Soros funded them is because since they were all lesbian.

[B]

Population control.

[A]

Population control. The BLM's job was to hijack leadership of the black grassroots movement away from heterosexual leadership to LGBTQ leadership. They wanted to redirect black youth away from heterosexual orientations towards grassroots struggle into LGBTQ orientations towards glass root struggle. In other words, we want to put the gays in charge of the black agenda as opposed to the heterosexuals. It was about population control and re engineering.

[B]

Now listen.

[A]

But it failed because they got exposed too soon by black people to be hustlers of the money.

[B]

About that bread.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, for me, and really quick, really interesting about this, right? They raised millions upon millions of dollars. I never heard about them getting an IRS audit. They may have, but I ain't heard about the IRS audit. The Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy, we hadn't reached a million dollars and we got audited. So when I saw the BLM thing, I say something funny. How are they not being audited?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And they raised tens of millions of dollars. We ain't got a million in the IRS that already ran down on us. Something to be said about that.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I have a question though for you. So there's some people that will heard some of that, what you said, right?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And they would think that that was something like a conspiracy theory.

[A]

That's a fact though.

[B]

What?

[A]

It's a fact that George Soros funded him. It's the fact that he's a population control junkie. It's the fact that BLM was founded by three lesbians.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's a. Now you can debate whether or not the purpose of them being funded by white interest groups was for something other than taking away the leadership of the blast grassroots struggle away from heterosexual leadership to homosexual leadership. But can we just use common sense? You have a movement led by three lesbians funded by a population control junkie. It's only one way you taking this away from heterosexuality into the sexual confusion and then once you get the attention of the young.

[B]

Sexual confusion.

[A]

Sexual confusion.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

From an African cultural perspective, same sex relationships don't fit within our cultural reality. I'm not demonizing nobody, okay? I'm not canceling, I'm not disqualifying. I'm simply saying as African people, those are not lifestyles that our ancestors practice or ever considered to be healthy for us. A big problem we have as black people is part of the. One of the negative collateral damages of integration. We pick up everything from the enemy.

[B]

Am I wrong?

[A]

Whatever white folks do, we got to do it.

[B]

You're saying that we picked up homosexuality?

[A]

You damn right. Do you know that black men were being raped on the slave plantations?

[B]

I.

[A]

Do you understand? Do you also know that some of the sexually transmitted diseases that are so popular amongst black people today, there's no record of them having ever existed in Africa. There's no proof of chlamydia in Africa. There's no proof of gonorrhea in Africa. A lot of them diseases came down from Europe through the Black plague, the Dark ages. When they were not washing their asses.

[B]

For hundreds of years, they really historically didn't wash up.

[A]

We taught him how to do so.

[B]

We taught him how to wash. Yes. This is the thing.

[A]

What was Columbus looking for? When Columbus took his sale to the so called New World, he was looking for India. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

But he found the Caribbean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's why they call it West Indies. Cuz he thought it was India. He didn't know where he was.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But what was he looking for? Spices. And why did he want spices? Because traditionally in Europe, because they did not wash, they had no concept of soap. They would spice themselves up like you soap yourself up. They would spice themselves up. They use spice to suffocate the funk. Black queens forever. Snow bunnies never.

[B]

I don't think I'm gonna make it far past this. Y' all just call it the Umar Show. Darken out where my name is and just light him up. We'll watch him. Hey, we wasted time here. You know what I mean? This what I do to n podcast. I can't.

[A]

I got a question.

[B]

You got that?

[A]

I. I understand you into, like, child psychology and stuff, right? My doctorate is clinical psychology and I'm a certified school psychologist. So, yes, child psychology is my thing. Okay. Clinically and educationally. Right, and so I understand you say white people can't be a part of movement, and you opening the school with all black kids. Right? Let me clarify. In the state of Delaware, you cannot refuse admission into a school even if it's independent on the basis of race. Okay? You follow me? That's like you taking your child to a white private school in Newcastle, right? They straight, independent. Yeah. They don't get no government money. Right? Just like us. And they tell you, your child can't come here because they're black. It's against state law. So if a white person wants their child at our school, we have to consider them for admission. We cannot exclude based on race.

[B]

We can make it hard. Like they do so.

[A]

So. Well, if they want their child learning voodoo, bring them on in there. So. No, listen, that was. That was. My next question is if, basically, if you had, like, a group of white kids, you say they was ages of, I don't know, six. We want to start with second, third, and fourth, okay? So seven through ten. So what I'm saying is, is how do you go about teaching white youth the history? Whose history?

[B]

Ours.

[A]

Ours how, Doc? Okay. However, always begin with the end in mind. I'm teaching white children black and African history. For what purpose? Why am I doing this? I don't. I don't. That's what. That's what I'm. That's my Negro. Why am I teaching white kids who I am? No, I'm not about you or black. No, us as a group.

[B]

He's saying, who.

[A]

Why would we teach white children who we are? What's the purpose? Us. It's a part of history. It's a part of American history. Black people. Why are white parents sending white kids to us to learn about black history? I don't. They're not. So my. They're not. My question, but my question would be, is, is if that was presented to you, how would you go about educating white youth? If that. If. If. If you're saying you can't do it, then you say no. If I got a white student enrolled in the school, then they gonna learn like everybody else. Okay, Yeah. I thought you were saying, let's create a program and teach white kids who black people is. You won't have. No, no, no, no. I was just saying, if the white youth is in front of you, how do you go about delivering? White people are very intentional about domination and control. And the one mistake that we make as African people is we don't understand the difference between racism and bigotry. A bigot hates you because you black. A bigot. Thank you. Inferior. A bigot is emotionally tied to the worst stereotypes about black people. You feel me? Bigotry is personal and it's emotional. I hate black people. Racism is not personal. Racism is not emotional. Racism is business. Racism says, I have no problem with you being black. I have no problem with you dating my sister. I have no problem with you living in my neighborhood. I don't have no problem with that. But I want to make sure white people control all the resources. I want white people to control all the opportunities in Wilmington. I want white people to control all the privileges and what. In other words, I'm gonna still go to your party. I'm gonna still hang out with you. I' ma still smoke weed with you. I' ma still clap your sister's cheeks. But guess what? When it comes to power in this city, when it comes to resources in the city, when it comes to opportunities in the city, I want white people in charge all the time. Do you see that? Don't confuse how somebody feels about black people personally. From the business of racism, you can have a white person that has no bigotry in their blood at all, and they still want white people in charge. I brought that up because when you talked about education, my argument is education is not a solution to racism. You have black people who think if you teach white people who we are, they'll stop being racist. My argument is the opposite. If you teach black people who we are, they're going to become more racist because the more they see your potential, the. The more they have to guard white privilege.

[B]

So you ain't got no friends? No. No, poker buddy.

[A]

No black person has a white friend. Oh, no black person has a white friend. You just don't know it yet till they turn on your ass.

[B]

Listen. No, no, no.

[A]

I said I want black power.

[B]

No, Dr. Umar, historically, right? Every single white friendship. This is the truth my mother shared with you. Earlier, my mother moved me to the suburbs. Like middle school, school. We lived in a cul de sac. Everybody was white. My first white friend was Beth. I remember going to their house and Baps was out with Halle Berry. And I turned to and they said, why you want to watch this chocolate movie?

[A]

And white people said, that's what the.

[B]

White people said to me. Why you want to watch this chocolate movie? I don't even know now looking back, did they know my mother's very fair skinned. I mean, I feel like I'm. I look black, but people play that game a lot, right? But period, point blank, Bethany. Every white friend friendship I ever had, they all me like. And it was rough, like hurtful. The last one, we were grown. If you watch this, Nicole, you. We was in jail together. And that was on her ass, you know what I mean? And you know, we both were up, we both in prison, but she was on her ass, you know what I'm saying? And she came to jail with rips in her jacket because they shot that with that long taser, the long one with the wires. And we were like the best, the besties in the minute she went home, she forgot about me. She's from King of Prussia. They had a couple dollars. And she was like, you and that. And that was as an adult. After that, I kind of gave up on it. And I always thought that I had this, this thing with white people, right? What kind of separated that for me is that my love for a law. I'm Muslim by faith. I'm a Muslim my whole life, okay? So I cannot hate a white person.

[A]

Because you don't have to hate them.

[B]

I can't, I don't believe. Be willing to stand in formation and make salat with a white person. If I'm in a masjid, we get shoulder to shoulder, we make salat together.

[A]

And I'm never making salat with a white person again. First of all, I was raised Muslim. I was raised Muslim.

[B]

Your name is Umar.

[A]

I was born Muslim.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I left the masjid, okay? North Philly masjid Mecca, okay? 13th. I was born and raised in it. I was born and raised in it. And guess what?

[B]

In that Masjid, don't do it.

[A]

We were line up for salat Friday, player. And the Arabs would move their foot away from mine.

[B]

That's a fact.

[A]

Then I said, wait a minute, cuz. You know, in Islam, the hadith, they say that when you line up for prayer, there should be no gap because that's how the devil get in, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when the Arab move his foot over, I move my foot over. Because we can't have no gaps.

[B]

You're not supposed to. Yeah, they don't want to.

[A]

Arab is saying, I don't give a damn how much Muslim you want.

[B]

That's a fact.

[A]

I'm an A and I'm better than you. You see, black people are the only people who let religion blind them to racism. Nobody else is blind to racism except Negroes.

[B]

When I go to the mansion and the Arab sisters move away from me, I let them move away from me. I don't close the gap. They really move. But here's my information.

[A]

I'm glad you don't close the gap. But here's my question. Why are God's people we. Why are God's chosen people? The original people? The first people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

African people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The only true Homo sapiens sapiens on Earth. I don't know if you notice. We're the only race who have zero Neanderthal DNA. Did you know that? Africans are the only true organic human beings. Oh, yeah. Every other race has Neanderthal DNA except you. The African woman is the only woman who has the mitochondrial DNA. The original DNA structure of the first woman on Earth, Queen Mother Eve, who gave birth to everybody. You're the only one who has that. The Chinese woman who have the mitochondrial DNA. The Arab woman don't have the mitochondrial DNA. The East Indian ain't got the mitochondrial DNA. The Anglo Saxons ain't got the mitochondrial DNA. So here's my question. If we are the original, why do I even want to enter a prayer house with somebody who don't even like me?

[B]

Because Islam is perfect. Not the Muslims. But we don't have to debate about it.

[A]

No institution created by a man is perfect. Islam ain't perfect because it came from men. Christianity ain't perfect because it came from men. Judaism ain't perfect because it came from men. I respect them all. Not that they beautiful.

[B]

Right?

[A]

But here's what black people need to understand. Nobody is going to be blind to your race because they share your religion. And until we understand that, we will always be last. That's why the Honorable Marcus Garvey said, put race first, not religion. Race. I'm older than Moses. I'm older than Muhammad. I'm older than Jesus. I'm older than Abraham.

[B]

I was around.

[A]

They didn't exist. No Bible, no Quran, no Torah. I'm the first man. I wish you would reduce me to somebody's religion. Black power.

[B]

I don't know y'.

[A]

All. What the King consciousness.

[B]

Come and sit down. I don't know the I'mma do with that. Set all this up. Now we, we 10 minutes and we.

[A]

But check this out. We ain't got no clips, but check this out. I will go and pray with my Muslim brothers. I go into the church and pray.

[B]

That's my question.

[A]

God is one. So if he a Hebrew and he say doc, we about to pray, do you mind? Let's do it. When I go to Malcolm X's grave site and the Muslim brothers are making Salat, you know, in on behalf of Malcolm. Dr. Umar, will you join us in salat? Yes, because I'm praying with the original people. I don't care what you call it. You might call it Christianity. She might call it Islam. He may call it Hebrew. Naan Moore, God of Earth, Nation of Islam, right? Seven Day Adventist, Jehovah Witness. I don't care about the label you put upon spirituality. Are we worshiping the God of African people? And if we are, I'll pray with you. I don't care about your labels. The Bible says what? In my father's house there are many mansions. You choose the room but the house is still the Lord.

[B]

What is the religion for black people?

[A]

Being black is the religion for black. I want black power.

[B]

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[A]

Shantae Moore. That's who it is. You remind me of Shantay Moore, the singer.

[B]

Shantae.

[A]

She fine as. What are you talking about?

[B]

I get faith more than anybody. I think El Varner more than faith.

[A]

Faith is fine, but you're more attractive than faith. You remind me of Shantay.

[B]

Clip that. That's the only one we got. I don't give a. Add it in. AI it. Figure it out.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

Go ahead, Phelps.

[A]

Talk to me.

[B]

Dr. Omar. I want to reverse just a little bit. Right when you said most of that stuff is inherited, like certain Things are inherited by white people. When you say inheritance, as far as homosexuality, would you. Because me personally, I believe people are born gay, born trans. That's my personal belief. Right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

When you say we ain't born trans. Born.

[A]

Let's just take trans for a minute.

[B]

Let's not.

[A]

No, let's take transfer. No, let's take trans.

[B]

Are you saying.

[A]

So you're telling me that you believe it is in with within someone's DNA structure that they would want to switch their gender?

[B]

No, I think that.

[A]

Can I ask you a question?

[B]

No, let me. Let me answer yours first.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

I believe with all of me that people are born and they feel they're not born in the correct body. I think that people that are born.

[A]

Wouldn't that be a mental illness.

[B]

In.

[A]

2025 to your natural self? Is that not mental illness?

[B]

You can transition into another sex, so that's what you do.

[A]

Can I ask you a question? If we're the oldest people in the world and we were the only people on earth, we were the only people on earth for tens of thousands of years before we evolved into any other race, why is there no evidence of a transgender anywhere in Africa? Is any people are born transgender?

[B]

Is there any evidence of homosexuality or lesbianism at all? Because I don't know. I know about at our earliest of times, but I don't know about African.

[A]

History at our earliest of times. Yeah, I don't see concrete evidence of it at our earliest of times.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

As we come down through the ages. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The question is not whether or not there was homosexuality or lesbianism in Africa. That's not the question. The question is, was homosexuality or lesbianism ever treated and or accepted as a normal, healthy, acceptable form of family? Do you see the difference?

[B]

Yeah, I see the difference.

[A]

Did African people ever treat same sex relationships as normal? And when I talked to the LBGTQ brothers and sisters, who I love and respect, but we disagree. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

I asked them, bring me proof of a traditional African society where homosexuality and lesbianism were treated as normal. You see that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's one thing for it to have existed and to be marginalized is something else. To have existed and been accepted.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We never accepted that because in African culture, we believe in complementarity. Right. For the sun, there's the moon. For water, there's land. For dark, there's light. For the feminine principle, there's the masculine principle. What happens if you get a. If your car dies and you need to get a jump? Right. Positive cable, negative cable. If you Put positive on positive.

[B]

Boom, Right?

[A]

It was never meant for that.

[B]

It feels like a waste of time. This is my personal opinion. I feel like. Because I don't care how you come, right? I have all this respect for you, and this is no disrespect.

[A]

Yes, ma'.

[B]

Am. If something went down, right, and it was this big ass scandal about anything regarding you in that way, right? You're not losing an ounce of respect for me because of that. I do not care how you come. Even this whole big thing with Puff Daddy where all his nastiness has been put out, all his freaky. Because a lot of people do freaky at home that you don't want to. To get out, right? When it comes down to like that, I don't care. I feel like that with my people. As a black woman, I feel like we split up about so much dumb. Who light skin? Who dark skin, Who? Who. Who's gay, who's straight, who trans? Who.

[A]

Can I ask you a question?

[B]

In my opinion. Let me finish. In my opinion, united, we would do way better. And if it's such an uphill battle, why the. Are we fighting about how you come or what you want to do, but you want to tuck your dick between your asshole. What's my. Why is that my business?

[A]

So let me challenge you then. Only one out of every four black women will get married in this country. My sons become homosexuals.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Oh, please, stay with me. Your daughters don't have a husband.

[B]

This straight.

[A]

His sons become homosexual is up. No, but that ain't my point, though. My point is we are inflicting genocide on ourselves because by perpetuating same sex culture.

[B]

I don't know, Doc.

[A]

Only 20. Did you hear the thunder? That's the ancestors rocking with me.

[B]

Everybody home Right after he said that the thunder did thunder. I don't know which which way.

[A]

Wait, let me give you something.

[B]

No.

[A]

Can I give you something? This how I know it's going to be a special episode. You ready for this?

[B]

I'm ready.

[A]

I've only had thunder clap on me three times.

[B]

No, listen.

[A]

Hey, yo, this real. No, no, freaks, this real. No freaks, this real. Y' all ready? No, this is real. You just got to watch. I've only had thunder clap on me three times. Never in the interview. Stay with me. This 200. Stay with me.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[A]

The first time, thunder clap. I was doing a double lecture. Stay with me. Stay with me. I was doing a double lecture in Atlanta with Professor Griff back in 2011-2012. I was. Tell me that. Tell me that ain't. Tell me that ain't my ancestors. We lost our ancestors.

[B]

It's the ancestors.

[A]

I've had thunder clap on me three times that I was aware of. First time was at a lecture in Atlanta, 2011-2012. That was me and Professor Griff. It was a double lecture. I was speaking on the MAU MAU revolution to Kenya, and thunder hit. Boom. Shook the whole place. Second time, South Africa, 2015 or 2016. So 10 years or nine years ago, I was speaking on something passionately. It was about the struggle in South Africa. Thunder hit right after the end of my statement. Boom. And your podcast was the third time. Soon when I finished, Shango said clap. Dr. Omar, talking about my ancestors ain't here. Out of your mind. Ain't no religion greater than my ancestors. Not one of them.

[B]

So a class that will be taught in Frederick Douglas Academy is definitely African.

[A]

Spirituality and cosmology, who do. And it's going to be a very controversial topic I'm teaching it, which is the spiritual system of the Yoruba peoples of Nigeria. Voodoo is a cousin system.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Similar but different. You feel me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that's still within the family of African spirituality. Unfortunately, because of the propaganda against voodoo. Right. And because of some practitioners in voodoo who have used divine magic for evil purposes, voodoo has gotten a bad name. But I want you to understand something, my good sister, my good brother, the white man, has intentionally demonized and criminalized voodoo because he's afraid of it. And why is he afraid of it? Because it was you that our Haitian African brothers and sisters use to give us the first independent free black republic in the Western hemisphere. When they won the Haitian Revolution against Napoleon, the white man's greatest general was defeated by an army of slaves, and.

[B]

He fought him for 30. They fought for 13 years, right? Yeah. That's a hell.

[A]

The white man don't ever want no black person practicing voodoo because he don't control it.

[B]

It.

[A]

Religions are instruments of control.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

The best way to control the people is to make them think God wants them to do things a certain way. If I could convince you God wants you to do this, I never have to worry about arresting you. Religion is the best thing that happened to white supremacy. Look at all them children been raped through the Roman Catholic Church.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And ain't nobody said nothing. Why? Because religion brainwashes you into thinking that the church is supposed to be in control of your life. Jesus said the temple of God is within you, not within no church. Not within no religion. Me personally, I think religion is a distraction away from higher spirituality for African people. Keep you caught up in beliefs and rituals and customs as opposed to focusing on your divine destiny and your relationship with the Creator.

[B]

I had a close friend tell me that she thought that slavery was a blessing because that's how Christianity was introduced to us.

[A]

She suffers from post traumatic slave disease. First of all, we had Christianity first. Christianity came from African people. Jesus spent his childhood where? In Egypt. Jesus was an African. Where did Moses go to school.

[B]

At this point? Zach dropping them. Is that you?

[A]

No, Shango. Drop him. Shango is the God of thunder, not Zach. Shout out to Zach. I got an uncle named Zach.

[B]

Dr. Umar, I want to ask you a little bit about your past. Sorry.

[A]

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[A]

Yes, Right. My introduction to black consciousness came from the George G. Mead Elementary School, 18th and Oxford Street, North Philadelphia. Five blocks away from Marcus Garvey's UNIA Liberty Hall. We have black history class in fourth grade. We have black history class in fifth grade. We also had a coexisting Black History Month public speaking contest. I entered both years. I won first place both years. And I ain't shut up since.

[B]

Why do you remember that? You won that at fourth and fifth grade.

[A]

That's true. Because that was the beginning. And then in my sixth and seventh grade year, my father took me to my first family reunion. Baltimore, Maryland I'll never forget the family reunion. Why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because I jumped into the swimming pool at the deepest end of the days end hotel. And my sister jumped in to save me. I didn't know how to swim, but I said, you got to get over your fear. And I jumped in as deep as water couldn't swim. My sister jumped in and almost drowned her. So she left me out there. And then a snow bunny came and saved me. And I saw two big white titties, and I crashed them.

[B]

Black power.

[A]

I said, we want black power. I grabbed them two white breasts. And that snow bunny saved the life of the future prince of Pan Africanism, wherever she is. I want to say thank you to that flat butt, big breast, white woman. Because if it wasn't for her breasts, I might not be here now. Black power.

[B]

What the fuck do y' all want me to do? Cut the light off me. Leave it on him. What are we doing?

[A]

And so check it out. We walk in the back of the church and it's all this Frederick Douglass memorabilia. His hat, his Bible, his shoes. So I asked my father, I said, what's all this Frederick Douglass stuff doing at the family reunion? He said, because you're related to him. I said, oh, I'm related to Frederick Douglass, the greatest black leader in American history. Oh, it's on and popping now. By the time I graduated from elementary school, I knew I would be the prince.

[B]

Really? That early?

[A]

I knew it.

[B]

So you go.

[A]

And the Garvey Building was five blocks away. My mother bought my sneakers. Do you remember Hollywood sneaker store on Cecil B. Moore Avenue, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

When my mother bought my sneak, guess what was right next door to Hollywood? The Garvey Building. But I never knew it was the Garvey Building until they painted it in the Garvey colors. Red, black and green.

[B]

I don't remember the Garvey Building, but I remember remember Hollywood because they never.

[A]

There was no sign on there because I would have got introduced to Garveyism sooner back then. You feel me as A baby.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it obviously wasn't meant for whatever reason, you feel me? Maybe my father would have kept me away from it because of his Islam, brainwashed, whatever the case may be. But I joined the UNIA right around the time I came out of undergrad.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

You feel me? And I never left. It's been 25 years.

[B]

What made you go into psychology for kids?

[A]

I wanted to be a psychologist because my father was very strict and abusive to me and my mother emotionally and physically in North Carolina, where he was a drill instructor for the Marine Corps. And I said, when I grow up, I'm going to be the therapist that other children can talk to if they don't have nobody else to talk to. Because I'm the oldest son of four, okay? My mother. Excuse me. I'm the oldest son of four from my father and. And five from my mother, okay? Right. So my mom and dad have four. And then when they got divorced, my mother had another boy.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

But I'm the oldest, right? And since I didn't have an older brother, I said, I'm going to be the person the other children can talk to. And that's what led me into psychology, right? So before I left elementary, because that was third grade that I decided I want to be a psychologist, fourth and fifth grade was black history class, sixth and seventh grade. I think it was sixth when I found that I was related to Frederick Douglass. So before I left elementary school, I knew I was going to be a psychologist. I knew I was going to be a black revolutionary. I knew I was going to be an orator. Life was laid for me.

[B]

But how do we get from that person, right, to the person that feels like mental health is not the end or be all for people? And why would a black person trust going. Because when you said that earlier, no.

[A]

We need mental health, okay? But we can't get it from white folks.

[B]

White people, okay, listen, in.

[A]

In a therapeutic relationship. Thank you. Thank you. You look, in a therapeutic relationship, right? The most important thing is how you feel you're being cared for by your therapist. Are you following me? It don't matter how many degrees they got. It don't matter how many years they've been therapy, right? If I'm going to be your therapist, I'm Mona's therapist. My degrees, my doctorate, that means nothing. Do you feel like I care about you?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Do you feel like I'm genuinely trying to help you? That's what helps people, right? So if a white person don't like black people and you know you can feel that. How they gonna help you? First of all, you're not even going to tell them your deepest secrets because you don't even think they give it that.

[B]

We can't barely get help in a regular hospital. Yeah.

[A]

So the reason black people not going to therapy, there's not enough black therapists. We don't trust white folks. And I'm telling you as somebody who is in psychology, white people don't give a damn about black folks.

[B]

And the difference between a therapist. Make sure I'm correct. If it was between a therapist, a psychologist, you could write the prescription.

[A]

No, medical. No, MD write prescription.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Nobody but an MD medical doc. The psychiatrist, okay. Writes the prescription. Psychologists don't. We are purely therapy.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Psychiatrists can pull out that pad and get that Prozac, that Paxil, that Ritalin, that Adderall, that Concerta. That's Strattera. That's the psychiatrist. But you want to hear a little funny fact? Well, most people think the psychiatrist has more expertise than a psychologist because they have an MD. We have a PhD, right? No. Guess who gets more formal training in mental health while earning their doctorate? The psychologist. Remember, a psychiatrist is trained like a regular medical doctor. You feel me? And they get concentrations in psychiatry, but most of their training is redder. Regular medical school.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So decide. We have more training than the psychiatrist does, although they have the md.

[B]

Yeah. How long have you been out of the field? Like completely or did you ever work in the field after getting it?

[A]

I never left the field.

[B]

Oh, you still counseling?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I still evaluate children. I do it all. Adhd, autism, learning disability, emotional disturbance, blind, deaf, brain injured, orthopedically impaired, developmentally delayed, other health impairment. That's me.

[B]

What do you think? That people were overly put on as ADHD when I was a kid.

[A]

We all scam. It's a scam.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

When do we get add? Forget about adhd. Let's go back to add.

[B]

And I'm trying to think because I feel like I was. I. I was automatically. Oh, what. What year did it start?

[A]

1980.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Same year the CIA dropped off crack cocaine in the black community. Did you hear that?

[B]

I wanted. I, I never heard it.

[A]

Social engineering. We're going to addict all fatherless black boys to a chemical substance. And this will be the introduction into crack cocaine. We're going to destroy the black community through chemical.

[B]

Cuz it's in the same family of drugs. Rin and crack and coke. Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Rin. Rin and Ritalin. And Cocaine, if I'm not mistaken, are in the same category.

[B]

Yeah, similar. Very similar. At least. Yeah.

[A]

Drug Enforcement Association.

[B]

Let me ask you something else. So for me, right. And I started to talk about this a little bit earlier. I struggle with this a lot. We in the information age. It's information constantly coming to you, Right. And for me personally, it's almost like you could read on something. You can go down these. What do they call them?

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Rabbit holes. You go to these rabbit holes. This talk. You go down these rabbit holes and you trying to get all this information. And sometimes things can be put off as conspiracy theories or people will say that that is a conspiracy. Conspiracy theory. For me, the reason why I wrestle with that, right. When I read about things like. Like J. Edgar Hoover. Right. A lot of that.

[A]

J, who was a mixed race African. Go ahead.

[B]

Was he?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I thought he was a homosexual.

[A]

One is race, one is sexual orientation.

[B]

I was just. That's all I knew about him, that he was gay and he was his assistant.

[A]

They lived together and he was a classic black person.

[B]

Shut the. He was pretending to be white.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It came out. His relatives exposed him and said, yes, mixed race.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think one of his. He would have been like a quadroon, octoroon. In other words, he had a black grandparent or a black great grandparent or something to that extent. Just like Abraham Lincoln. Just like George Washington. Something just like Calvin Coolidge. Just like Alexander Hamilton.

[B]

Abraham Lincoln looks black to me.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He was darker than Barack Obama.

[B]

I'm the only person that think that Abraham Lincoln looks like a. Like an old black drone.

[A]

Abraham Lincoln had black butt. Remember? On the floor of the US Depression, on the floor of the US Congress, they used to call him Abraham Africanus. The white congress persons would call Abraham Lincoln Abraham Africanus. In fact, if you watch the movie Lincoln, the movie on Abraham Lincoln, there's a scene where they're debating slavery and one of the congressmen gets up and they call him Abraham Africa noose. That was the slur they gave him, letting him know we know you black.

[B]

Shut up. Rewind. Almost.

[A]

Barack Obama was not the first black president. He was the first one who couldn't hide it.

[B]

So the first black president is Abraham Lincoln is what you're telling me?

[A]

Well, depending on how you look at it. Because if you talk to some of the Morris brothers and sisters, they would say that there was five presidents who actually reigned as president even before George Washington. And then my question to them, what the hell did they do about slavery? Because I Don't care about no five black presidents. If they didn't do to stop my people from being dehumanized. See, when you talked. Let me go back. ADHD 1980, add 1988. ADHD. Why did they add the H in 1988? Why did the word hyperactive get added to the definition? Why did it go from add 1980?

[B]

Crack.

[A]

Same year the CIA dropped off crack. Exactly. There's no drug that can make you pay attention. He's on ADD meds. You're on ADD meds. I'm on ADD meds. No drug can make you pay attention. The drugs only slow your brain down. The drug companies were not making enough money. The drug companies were not making enough money, so they added hyperactivity. To do what? Justify drugging everybody. Today, if you just inattentive without being hyper, you getting a medical prescription. They drugging everybody. $30 billion a year off psychiatrics.

[B]

Anytime you're in a situation where you have doctors over prescribing something, it leads into an epidemic. Early 90s, they over prescribe Oxy's, Percocet, things like that. That's why we have kids into now. Period.

[A]

Big reason why you have Kensington is because of ADHD. Most of the Kensington opioids, they were the ADHD kids 10 years ago.

[B]

Yeah. That's a fact.

[A]

ADHD.

[B]

You're getting a kid used to changing how you feel with a pill.

[A]

The Ritalin, the Adderall, the Concerta, the Strattera, the Cycler. These were the gateway drugs.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What happens when you're used to getting high on child psychiatrics all through school and then you graduate and you no longer get in this free dope?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You end up in Kensington. Right. America creates drug epidemics.

[B]

That's a fact. For sure.

[A]

Because it's how you control populations.

[B]

For sure. Me doing like research into the Sackler families and stuff like that. They had a real good show on TV called Painkiller. And it was like. I mean, it could have been a biopic the way they did it. But that's what I learned from a lot of them situations that anytime where you just pushing and for sure when I was a kid, that was automatic. If you were a little better than the other kids in your class, that was 32 people with one stressed out that didn't give a about none of these urban kids, you automatically were considered to have a situation deficit disorder. My mother was very adid about not giving me medication, but my mother never gave me anything else. So for me, I struggle and everything they Said that would happen to most of everything. They said that would happen to kids with add. That was untreated. Happened to me. I went to jail. I experimented with drugs early. That's. I mean, that's when you read Google. What happens to adults that don't. You know what I mean? Don't get any type of treatment for them not being able to pay attention. Because I couldn't pay attention. That's a fact. But I still can't pay attention.

[A]

We talked to your.

[B]

I'm dying right now.

[A]

We talked about why black people don't go to therapy. Right. I gotta know you care about me in order to trust you enough to tell you my deepest secrets and hurts. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's no different than education. The reason so many black children are turned off from education. I don't care if we talk in Newcastle County, Sussex county, it's because they know the teachers don't care about if I can't read. Limu Emu and Doug, here we have the Limu Emu in its natural habitat helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us. Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty.

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[B]

I'm gonna tell this bitch that.

[A]

But you want me to get up and try to read in front of the class? I'm not gonna do that unless I know if I mess up, you go, you got me. And you're not gonna let them make fun of me. Do you feel me right? Children got to know the teacher love them.

[B]

You gotta be a safe atmosphere.

[A]

Well, they not going to try because they self esteem is already damaged. They can't afford to take a risk. I'd rather stay dumb and not let nobody know I can't read than try to read and be humiliated. Yes, our children don't have teachers who love them. And they don't have enough black male teachers. Schools are ran by women. Boys need men. There would be no ADHD if we had black male teachers. Who is the one diagnosing and referring for diagnosis our children? White teachers and black mothers are in a conspiracy. The black mother unintentionally, she just don't know no better. But without her, the system don't work. See, in order for me to put your child in special ed, you got to sign your name five times. You got to sign permission for my psychological evaluation. I'm the school psychologist. I can't test your child until you sign. Then you gotta sign. You agreed with my psyche vow. Then you got to sign the iep. Then you got to sign a specialized service agreement. You follow what I'm saying? Incarceration, education preparation.

[B]

Wow, Did I know he was gonna be right?

[A]

So you don't go to special ed unless you signed your child away four times. So when the parent at Wilmington come up to me and they stop at the school, Dr. Umar got a question about my child. They put him in special ed. Don't tell me what they did. You did it because if you didn't sign your name, your child still be in a regular class. They are using our ignorance against us. And I'm very disappointed in black men.

[B]

I mean, they give you a little check too.

[A]

Yeah, but the school gets more money than you ever get.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

Oh, the school gets paid. There would be no special lead if the school ain't get paid. You think they helping? Special lead is the business.

[B]

He almost said no.

[A]

Special letters are. Listen, when you put a child in special ed, you get twice the money for them.

[B]

Shut up. I didn't know that woman. I knew how. I know how much.

[A]

This is a hustle.

[B]

I know how much you get up as the mom.

[A]

Let me give an example. Let's say Wilmington city schools, right? Let's say Newcastle schools spend. And I don't know what Newcastle spends per child. Let's say $11,000. Nah, that's too low. Let's say that's like one teacher's paycheck. Let's say 11,000 per kid per year. Once Dr. Umar says or some white racist school psychologist in Wilmington says your child reading, disabled math, disabled comprehension, disabled speech and language impairment, emotional disturbance, adhd, conduct disorder, odd, right intellectual. The minute I give him a label and qualify them for special ed, he ain't worth 11, 000 or more. He worth 22 000. Oh, big business. The failure of black children is big business. Let me give you an example. I'm a principal in Wilmington, right? Hypothetically. Well, I will be in real life. But we talk in public school. Because we're not gonna have Special Ed at FDMG, right? Right. I got three black boys that three snow bunnies sent to my office and they said, Dr. Umar, these boys can't read. They in the fifth grade. They read on the second grade level. I got a decision to make. I could do one of two things. Send them to special ed, right? Set them up for prison. Or use some of my Title 1 money and pay some of these teachers to tutor them after school. You feel me? I'm either gonna help them or I'm gonna throw them in special ed. What's the big difference? To help them, I gotta spend money, right? If I put them in special ed, I make money. What do you think these principals doing in Wilmington, Delaware? They put them in special ed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I go into your schools in Wilmington, Delaware and evaluate half the kids in that school, I bet you they're not in special ed because they can't learn in special. That because they've never been taught. They in special ed because they don't know how to sit still. And it is illegal in the United States of. Of America to put a child in special ed for behavior. You don't go to special ed for behavior. You go to special ed because you got learning problems. But most black boys in Delaware, especially for being bad, which is illegal, but their parents don't know. But can I give you the sad part? If we go tell their parents that your son should not be in special ed for behavior, they gonna curse me out and say, get out my face. Do you want to know why? Number one, she's getting a check. You are not going to take them out of special ed, Dr. Umar. What about my hair money?

[B]

Eleven hundred. And you ain't gotta get that. The medicine.

[A]

Check it out. She getting the check. Number two, he never going to be retained another year in school. When a child is put in special ed, we can socially promote him. Did y' all hear what I said? Once I put him in special ed, he automatically go into sixth grade. Six, still can't read. Automatically going to seventh grade. Still can. In special ed, you can promote them due to age, not achievement. You think that mother gonna take him out of special ed where he gotta read and practice and study and he getting socially promoted and she getting a check. He'll be on honor roll until he graduates. Listen to this. He'll be on honor roll until he graduates. And then the mother will find out the day after graduate that my son will, who've been on honor roll since fifth grade, can't read. And do you know why? Mona, in special ed, children are graded based on effort, not achievement. Let me give you an example. He's in the fifth grade, you're in the fifth grade. He's in special ed. You're a regular ed. Y' all brother and sister, y' all twins. Y' all come home, both of y' all report cards got A's and B's, right? Guess what the big difference is? You're in regular ed. Your A's is based on achievement. You're making State of Delaware achievement. Your A's is based on effort. Your ass still can't read. But nobody told your mother that. The A's and B's on your report card ain't got a damn thing to do with whether you learning or not. It's only judged on whether or not you tried.

[B]

Dr. Umar, you know I was physically assaulted by three teachers. Yes. Hit. I got hit. My first time I ever got hit was in Philadelphia. I went to fed school, Patrick Elementary. Ms. Dyson, she smacked me with a book on the boulevard cuz they would bust us up north. She smacked me with a book and she came cuz we would gather. This is before Philadelphians roll SEPTA and got school tokens. So we were riding cheese and she came and got gave me. I always was a big girl. Came gave me this big ass Hershey's. And I was like, you all right? And that was that. Sixth grade, we came here. Seventh grade we came here. My sewing teacher, I would smell alcohol, her Beth all the time. She punched me in my chest, right? By the time I got to ninth grade, my teacher was named Miss St. Julie. And she pushed me and I flipped on her. That's my first time going to jail. It was a prison in my high school already. I went to William Penn High School here in Delaware. I was supposed to go straight to jail. And my mother came to get me and said, we're not going to jail. They got to come get you. We went to my house and I was basically on a run for like 30 days. They said that I was put out of every school in Delaware. I was exposed at the time. I was 14 years old. I wasn't even 15. My mother couldn't wrap her head around how could you expose somebody that young? Technically, legally, you can't stop school till you were 16. My mother got Me, a lawyer. Michael, Monica. We went to. To court. My mother spent 1500. I will never forget it. Because I remember thinking like, oh, this rich, you know, because she got that money together with my mother. She knew how important that was. And she knew they were me. But imagine all the parents that don't have them type of resources. Don't understand. You could fight back.

[A]

Let me give your mother this. I'm gonna give your mother her flowers. She's still with us.

[B]

Yeah, she's still here.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you why a child don't remember everything. But there's one thing a child will always remember, no matter what. No matter how good of a parent you were. No matter how not so good of a parent you were. You know what children always matter, always remember, is when their parents stood up for them. Yeah. You never forget when your mother went to bat, even if she couldn't prove if you were right or wrong. That's my child I'm riding.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You never forget the moments. Do you feel me?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

When your mother did that for you. You already loved her. But that took your respect for your mother to a whole nother level. Because she didn't have to do it for sure. Most parents wouldn't. They would be too afraid of the system to fight it back.

[B]

I recall listening to Newcastle county police on her voicemail, going to her room like, yo, they are saying, if we don't go up there and her sitting up in her bed at her sleep saying, them gotta bring a bulldozer to this. That's how they gonna meet you. They gotta. They gotta knock the front door to Mona. That's what they gotta do. And I remember leaving her room like, oh, all right, that we good.

[A]

And we went.

[B]

When we had a lawyer and she had to hustle the money up, it took about a month. We went back. I ended up going to alternative school in my class. And at this time, I'm in the ninth grade. I had seventh graders, eighth graders, ninth graders, tenth graders. They gave us like, regular paper. We did division, multiplication. It was literally nothing. Six months of nothing. I earned my way back to regular school, but legit. I didn't learn anything for the whole year.

[A]

Oh, the alternative schools, they don't teach. The purpose of the alternative school is to waste so much of your time that you drop out of inner street life, right?

[B]

Because it's hard to get out.

[A]

All. All juvenile programs, halfway house, juvie hall, alternative school, foster care. You feel me? All of them are designed to get.

[B]

You ready for jail, to Frustrate you.

[A]

And waste your time so much that you drop out and enter the streets and go up in jail. First of all, foster care is introduction to sex trafficking. Foster care is introduction to sex trafficking. And let me tell you why I say that.

[B]

Please.

[A]

Once you turn 16, they set you free. Why are you a 16 year old girl? She ain't got no job, no house, no parents.

[B]

How else you gonna make money?

[A]

And you putting her on the street.

[B]

True. Yeah.

[A]

What's she gonna do to make it? Sell her body?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm gonna give you this. I can't prove it, but I know it's true. There's a quota child family court. They must kidnap a certain number of black children every year off the street or from their parents. False allegations of abuse and neglect. You with me? A certain number every year. Why, Phelps? Why, Mona? The government needs research monkeys for its experiments. You can't buy a human, you can't make a human. Do you feel me?

[B]

Only black kids.

[A]

You saying primarily?

[B]

Primarily. Okay.

[A]

Primarily. Because remember, most of their population control weapons are aimed at who? Us. They're not trying to get rid of white folks. They ain't got enough of them as it is. You see, they dying off.

[B]

I don't think I ever believed in population control.

[A]

Well, we don't believe in population control because we the population, right? Black people, the biggest race on earth. So we don't believe in no damn population control. But white folks are always trying to get rid of us because there's too many of us and not enough of them.

[B]

And they're dying off. Correct?

[A]

Of course that's why. That's why white women who hate black people will have a black man's baby in a minute. You know why? Why? Subconsciously. She don't even understand that the first law of nature is self preservation. She don't know why she's attracted to that black man. She thinks it's because of his penis. No.

[B]

That's what I thought.

[A]

It's because of his genetic material. He can help your species survive a little bit longer.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

It's a subconscious call. When I feel that. White women sending me vagina energy. Nobody. Mind control. I got a. Wait. So you. You. Very important to the. To the culture. Yes, sir. You. You know how to captivate us, but you educate us, even though you make us laugh. And the reason I do that. Phelps. I was going to say, how did you. Like, like if, for instance, you know how. If you was to watch like a old, I don't know, Michael Jordan introduction, we Would see him at 6 years old doing the same thing he was doing as an adult. When you was doing this speaking and stuff as a, as, as a, you know, were you making a class laugh in the middle of saying something important? Like, were you always like this or was you like, you know what? I know how to make people laugh, but I got to get them. I'm going tell you what happened. Yeah. When I first blew. First of all, it's a unique style you got. Yes, sir. I've always been into public speaking. Right. When I blew up in 2010, that's when everything went to another level. A Chicago interview in a Harlem lecture changed my life forever. September 18, 2010. Shout out to that. My first couple lectures I gave before I blew. So I'm going, before I blew. I used to do a lecture series at the African American Museum in Philadelphia and also used to speak at the unia. That's my beginning. African American Museum of Philadelphia and the Garvey Movement. Right. And I made an analysis. I said, you know what? Your information is so strong, if you don't sugarcoat this, as much as they love to hear it, they not coming back because you're making them take responsibility. And that ain't something black people really want to do. You feel me? You telling them what they really already know, but they don't want to accept it. What keeps everybody coming back to church, you don't expect nothing from them but money. Do you feel me? The pastor never makes you build anything. The pastor never makes you change anything. You follow what I'm saying? There's no responsibility with church, no obligation. Just make a donation. So I said, you're gonna have to make this a little sweeter for them to eat it. You got to feed a baby baby food. You feel me? So that's when I said, you got to put a little bit of humor in this. Because if you don't put no humor in your message, although they know it's true, they're not coming back a second time to hear it because it's too strong, it's too real, it's too pure.

[B]

It's hard, period. If I go live, I'm live for 20 minutes. And we just so happen to fall on the subject of redlining. That's the first time I ever had a conversation with other adults about stuff that I assume other adults knew. I'm having this conversation with grown ass people, people older than me, by realigning, they have no idea about it. And you just watch them lead alive. Like when I. If I'm a funny person. If I give any real information, half of them leave.

[A]

Oh, they don't want. Because black people don't want responsibility. You brought up earlier. You. You said information overload. You know how I deal with information overload? One simple question. How does knowing this change anything about the black reality? I had a Negro text me earlier today. He said, Dr. Umar, is the earth flat? I said, ninja. He said, it's the earth flat. Is that feeding anybody? Is that educating anybody? Is that stopping the violence? Is that opening the hospital? Is that starting the supermarket? Is that in the. Police brutality? I don't give a damn if the earth is flat or shaped like a banana. If it ain't changing nothing, I don't want to talk about it. That's how I give you another one. The pretendians, right? Y' all familiar with the pretendious Africans who want to be Indian? Yeah, the ones that. The ones that claim that they got Native American. No, they do have it. I got Cherokee in me. But here's the problem, Phelps. You got four grandparents.

[B]

How the did you know that?

[A]

Me, I was lost. That's a real thing. No, that's real.

[B]

I'm lost.

[A]

But here's the thing. You got four grandparents. You got eight great grandparents. You got 16 great, great, 32 great, great, great. 64 great, great, great, great. 108 great, great, great, great, great. Can I ask you a question? If you got 108, five or six times great grandparents, and one of them is a Cherokee, one of them is a Choctaw, one of them is a Seminole, one of them is a Chickasaw, how the hell you stop being black? Do you feel me? Nah, I feel you. You look like Shaka Zulu talking about, I ain't come from Africa. I. I was already here. Nigga, please. And it's crazy that you say that, because my cousins, they are real quarter Native American. Their grandmother was straight, you feel me? I knew her live right in West Philly, but they never was like, oh, I'm Native American, I'm Indian, they're black. Black people don't want to be black. So we always coming up with new things to be. Cause we think that if we tell the white man, hey, mister. What Donald Trump. I'm not African American. I'm Chickasaw.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[A]

I didn't know that. Put him in another group.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nobody's gonna stop treating you like a black person because everybody know you black but us, right? But here's my question. What does it change? Yeah, what does it change.

[B]

And this is the thing though, too, I feel like, because I think that.

[A]

First of all, the Cherokees ain't letting you on the reservation.

[B]

Nah.

[A]

You're not getting no casino money. I'm serious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know that first of all.

[B]

That every, like, everybody got Indian?

[A]

Thank you for the question of the night. You think? Did you all get the question of the night? Mona said, why are we the only ones who didn't get nothing? Let me tell you what the Native Americans did that the American Africans did not.

[B]

What?

[A]

When the Native Americans sat down to negotiate their treaty with America, they did not ask to be Americans. They asked for their own land in their own territory. Do you feel me? They said, I want a piece of America. Black people said, I want a place in America.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do y' all say that?

[B]

Still agreed to give us and they took it back. What, the four acres?

[A]

Now, the 40 acres in the mule was a field order from only one general that technically he didn't really have the legal authority for president. Abraham. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So it was always bullshit and it never applied to everybody. It was only for them.

[B]

I remember being a teenager and realizing that, like, I don't know what it was about it, right? But I was. First of all, my name, don't call me white girl, right? Is wrapped up in love for being black, right? I grew up in a time where it was a thing to say, oh, I got we 13 Cherokee. That's just what people did. Anybody light or something or with straight hair? Yeah. If your hair was a different.

[A]

I could take you to Africa and show you straight hair. In every country, right? And every. Not everybody got the tight kinks, right? African people have different phenotypes. I can take you to Sudan where their noses are skinnier than white people, they lips are smaller than white people. You feel me? The shape of the wig women is skinnier than the flattest, buttest white girl, right? Every phenotype comes from Africa. The Chinese phenotype, I could take south. Did you see? Remember Nelson Mandela? Nelson Mandela was of the Koi people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Koi people, some would argue, are the predecessors of the modern day Chinese.

[B]

Right? Because they have the eye and everything.

[A]

Every phenotype comes from African people. But because we hate ourselves, we always try to be something that we not, right? But guess what? When we get our reparations, how much? I would have bet money, I bet everybody here a hundred dollars. When we get reparations, they won't be Cherokee no more. I bet you they they won't be Chickasaw no more. They gonna be Zulu, Nigerian, Ivory Coast, Liberia. Let us get some money. I bet you all that Native American stuff. Stop.

[B]

When are we getting the reparations? What day?

[A]

It's gonna be hard for us to get reparations. I'm gonna tell you why.

[B]

Yeah. We ain't getting them.

[A]

Some black people believe being able to call themselves American is reparation enough.

[B]

Oh, that.

[A]

Some black men believe being able to push up in the white pale vagina.

[B]

Is a choppy muffin. Grilly, give me the mule and the four acres. Listen, I feel like it's. No, I don't think it's any worse crime being done to any people. Let me say. Let me say why, Because I. It's a stupid debate to have, but I've heard it a thousand times. Is Holocaust worse than slavery? Is it? What was worse? The reason why you can't.

[A]

One was six years. One was 500 years.

[B]

Exactly. Our lasted forever. And it was set up for us to be. And we are still suffering from.

[A]

And can I give you one more? The people who were victimized in Germany. Their ancestors financed our Holocaust. Who built the ships for our holocaust. Who captained the voyages for our Holocaust. Who built the banks that stored the money from our Holocaust. So the same people asking you to cry about this 6 years have never apologized for their participation in your 500 years? I wish I would shed a tear. Black queens forever. Snow bunnies. Never.

[B]

Also, in the beginning of the pod, I want to do a little message for our white cousins. Hey, maybe sit this one out. This is not the one.

[A]

White people. Listen and learn. White people. I do not hate you. I have nothing against you.

[B]

What do you.

[A]

But I am 100%, unapologetically and unequivocally committed to the liberation, salvation and destiny of blacks. I have nothing against you, but I'm for my own.

[B]

And we can't be friends.

[A]

Black people can't have a white friend. If white privilege dictates unfair monopolization of power and privilege. How could a white person ever be your friend friend if their survival depends on your marginalization. In other words, does the white friend of a black person want to give up their white privilege to be your friend?

[B]

No.

[A]

There's not a white person on. There you go.

[B]

Hell, no.

[A]

Can you think of any white person that would give up white privilege to be your friend?

[B]

That. To add to that, I couldn't imagine being born white and not feeling like I was better than niggas.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

That's just the truth. And I Hate when I hear that conversation with people and they like kind of can confused about you.

[A]

Don't stop saying the N word. I'mma pull your damn fingers out.

[B]

I was going to ask you that. How do you feel about the N word? But you know what I didn't do?

[A]

You got to stop using.

[B]

But guess what I didn't do. I never referred to you as a. Not once. That's big for me.

[A]

Started the show. I'm taking one thing in that line. Exact.

[B]

Said it too.

[A]

Did I?

[B]

Cut it out.

[A]

So even though every. You know, it's all black, everything culturally. Are. Are there any things from other cultures that you could enjoy? Like Italian food? I love Asian movies.

[B]

He loves pizza.

[A]

My. My ninja almost. But here's the thing. I'm a pizza. There's evidence that pizza was not discovered by Italians. I'm just that African people. I'm being real. And if you want to go martial arts, who are the inventors of martial arts?

[B]

Let them tell you.

[A]

Who invented martial arts? Martial arts, African people, us. But you know what I'm. You know what I'm referencing though. I'm just saying in the modern. In the modern. Give me something that you like from another people. We invented hockey. We invented the golf tee. The thing is, is we probably invented basketball. We just ain't found out yet. Well, I'm, I'm. I like, I'm a sports guy, so that's not fair. But I mean, I'm everything black across. Across the board though. So you feel me. I can appreciate other things, but I know you feel me. When we get into. I don't.

[B]

I don't now what I was saying to you earlier, right? The name don't call me white girl. It's not it. Because people used to get it confused and sometimes, like, if I would go viral on different sides of the Internet, I remember going viral negatively because I told people why I don't think black people belong on armed forces. Like my children, right? My children can't be probation officers. They can't be cops. They can't be in the army. They. They can't be in the Marines. My kids can't be boy Scouts. They can't be girl Scouts. They can't do none of that. You're not allowed. Like it will cause a real problem between me and my kid. And I'm not like an overbearing mom like that. I just don't feel like black people have those any fitting in those spaces, right? For me, I remember being like 4 or 5 and my grandmother Having a painting on the wall. And I thought it was ants on a log, right? And it was a slave ship. A diagram of a shape ship. My mother, my grandmother, sitting me down, explaining, and me asking her, well, well, where'd you go to the bathroom? She's like, on top of the person you laying on top of, where did you vomit? On top of the person if you had a baby. On top of the person if you died, they threw you out. My grandmother told me what bed maids were. They will rape you upstairs. I mean, I learned all that at 6 or 7. My grandmother was a celebrated. A celebrator of Kwanzaa. And this is before all the others came out of our Kwanzaa, right? My grandmother would hire African drummers that come every year. They never celebrated Christmas. Christmas, we. We did the Kwanzaa for all. What is it, 11 days. Coogee, Jacqueline, Nia. Don't make me start. Nine, eight, seven. Okay, I got the days.

[A]

No, it's seven principles of Kwanzaa, right?

[B]

So how many days is it? 7.

[A]

Where you get 11 from?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

If your grandmother has you celebrating Kwanzaa, how you don't know the number of principles?

[B]

Because when I, you know, the truth, I didn't celebrate it as an adult because when I did my research on it, I wasn't confident in it, right? Because I found out about all the negative shit the guy going to jail, him pulling from all the other shit and where it just didn't give me, like, you know, I got why my grandmother did it. I'm glad she still gonna preach me.

[A]

Because it was an introduction to consciousness.

[B]

I didn't have to get woke on Twitter. I was born like this. My grandmother would say, you too pale to not know your history in this country. She would say, you too yellow for that. You gotta know. And that she would sit down and give it to me. But for me, like, I feel blessed to be black. Like, I feel like a special thing.

[A]

It should be.

[B]

And I grew up in a time where it was just always, you something else, you something else. And I never felt that way, right, Right. For me, don't call me white girls. More love of being a black woman versus hate for a white girl. It's more. Don't call me no white girl. It ain't no compliment to me. Not to mention them got horrible press. You ain't even watch up. Like, it's not a compliment at all, right? When I teach my kids, and especially with me having a criminal record, because I went the other way I said first time with the jail was 14 years years old. I was totally indoctrinated to that life. So by the time I was 21, I was in federal prison. I spent my whole 20s going to jail. Of course, I don't want that for my children and I try to teach like that to my kids. But statistically, recidivism, if your parent go to jail, you go to jail. My grandfather went to jail, his son went to jail, my father went to jail, I went to jail.

[A]

It's hard to break family cycles.

[B]

How do you break that family cycle? Especially coming from me to my kids, how do I stop them from going to prison?

[A]

The biggest, the three most important things when it comes to breaking family cycles, number one is you have to look for the traits of your parents and grandparents in yourself. You have to practice self awareness. For example, my father was emotionally abusive, right. So with my children, even in my school. Do you feel me? I have to be very, very observant of myself himself to make sure some of his emotional abuse don't come out in us. Because here's the irony of trauma. As much as you hate being beat, abused, abandoned, mistreated, you are likely to do the same thing yourself if you don't become conscious of how your trauma operates in your life. It's like the woman who say, I saw my mama get beat on all her life by her men.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I, I will never let a man hit me. And the next thing you know, her man is hitting her. Because you're not becoming conscious of how your trauma, your mama's trauma, right. Has reinvented itself in you. It's hard to break family cycles because most of us are not disciplined and honest enough to track it.

[B]

That self awareness that you have and.

[A]

Catch it or you got to have.

[B]

It, self awareness is not a rare, it's not like a common thing. A lot of people have no idea what they do.

[A]

Awareness. Because first of all, your ego.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The biggest obstacle to you seeing yourself as you are and making the necessary changes is your ego. Because your ego is invested in what maintaining the image you created of yourself for yourself. You hear that? Your ego has the image that you gave. Ain't trying to consider nothing else but this perfect picture.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So in order for me to grow, I got to tell my ego, this ain't the real me, right. I do got problems.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ego don't want to hear that. You see what I'm saying?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And that's why we got to tap into spirit. Because the only thing greater than Ego is spirit. Spirit and ego are at war. Ego is the devil. Spirit is God. Which one gonna run your life? Can you talk about the. See, when I get married, I'm gonna have two queens. They cannot be the same complexion.

[B]

Two wives.

[A]

Two queens. Two wives. I'm gonna call them queens. We're gonna have contract. We're not gonna marry the white man.

[B]

Okay, two queens, two different colors.

[A]

How you know that?

[B]

You just said.

[A]

You just said it. Oh, complexions.

[B]

You said two different.

[A]

They can't. Because if they both dark, they're gonna call me a dark skinned supremacist. If they both light, they gonna call me light skinned supremacists. If they both brown, they're gonna call me a caramel supremacist. So they can't say keep it.

[B]

Brown and black don't even go light skin.

[A]

It's not work for you. It can work for you.

[B]

I'm telling you, don't touch us right now.

[A]

No, listen, listen, listen, listen. No light skinned girls. Coochie just as good as chocolate girls. But listen to me. Listen, listen, listen. I digress. Think he pinky. We must stay focused. Consciousness over the cookies. Politics over the punai need. Revolution over romance. Institutions over intimacy. And we must take care of business before the back shots. Listen, listen. And we talked about this before the show. So I'm going to put it out there.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

I am hurt. And I want all my light skinned sisters who support Dr. Umar to hear me. I'm hurt by my fair skinned queens who I see no differently than my chocolate or my caramels. It hurts me when they inbox me or text me or email me and WhatsApp me and say you would never consider me as your wife because I'm too light. That shit hurt. So I need all my light skinned sisters to know I can have a light skinned wife. I can have a mixed race wife. I don't care because both of them ain't gonna be the same complexion anyway. But I'm going to have two queens and light skin. I ain't got no issue. I have no color complex at all. And you know what? I thank God for that. Because I would be a hypocrite as a Pan Africanist if I had any colorism.

[B]

So you require two queens because you need to show two because.

[A]

No, no, no. Because of the work I have to do for the people. The reason I'm gonna have two queens, they are two secretaries, two assistants. Okay, yeah. Two managing directors. There's a lot of work. I got fdmg. I Got team pan African. I got the descendants of African freedmen in America that we working on.

[B]

I was your loving.

[A]

I got about six major organizations I got to run real. Not to mention I travel globally. So I'm gonna have a base all over the world. I need women to help me do my work. So you might say, why not have one wife and have an assistant, right? Because if that assistant is holding me down as much as you is, I'm Muslim. I don't have stay with me now. But stay well. Polygamy don't come from Islam. Polygamy come from African culture.

[B]

Islam borrowed it from brother.

[A]

Okay, stay with me. But that's also. That's also patriarchal versus matriarchal polygony. There's a difference.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And matriarchal polygony, the women choose the co wives, they train each other, they work together, they answer to the queen mothers in the village.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

The men don't say you're the wife. You feel me? Women have a big say, okay? Because if the women don't get along, the marriage going to fall apart. True. I can, I can say you my wife and I can say she my wife. But if y' all don't like each other, gonna fail. Yeah. So in matriarchal polygony, y' all make sure y' all work.

[B]

Why do we lock eyes like that? You ready?

[A]

Y' all ready? Caramel and vanilla.

[B]

Let's do this.

[A]

Five, five thick in the times two. Let's do this. Clap on, clap off. Cut it out. Ph but one of y' all still got to be able to bear children. Cuz I still need a baby. Papa. If I don't get a baby prince of Pan Africanism, I'm going to have a problem. I need a son, you need a boy. I got two daughters. I need a boy.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

I don't care if he likes.

[B]

And boys are funner.

[A]

We call them baby Malcolm. Malcolm. Ifatunde.

[B]

I have a brown skinned boy and a light skinned boy. Girls. I have one girl, a light skin.

[A]

So you got three?

[B]

Yeah, I got three. Yeah.

[A]

Who you? What's your age? What's the ages?

[B]

You want to know my favorite?

[A]

No, you don't have a favorite child, don't you?

[B]

Oh, I have favorite.

[A]

Don't do that. Don't you do that. Not on this show while I'm here. You will not stop.

[B]

You probably stop. You probably your parents favorite. That's why you say that. All right. I don't got a favorite.

[A]

You cannot do that every Watching this.

[B]

Know my favorite is listen. That's the crazy part.

[A]

Don't do that. Don't do that, Mona. Don't do that. Don't you ever do. Listen. Black Parent Psychology 101. Don't you ever, ever tell anybody that you have a favorite child. It breeds sibling rivalry.

[B]

Yes, it does.

[A]

It breeds sibling contempt.

[B]

Get the mothers, they give. Right?

[A]

Sibling conflict. Who loves children? When they get old enough, they'll never speak to each other again.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

Because you chose one over the other. Don't you ever do that.

[B]

The one I chose gonna hold me down, though.

[A]

Don't stop. You don't want that. Karma. Don't do that. Don't ever do that.

[B]

It ain't right.

[A]

It ain't. Stop it. Stop it.

[B]

You don't got paper shoes.

[A]

You choose a kiss. So guess what I'm gonna do? Since you're choosing one child over the rest. I' ma call you white girl. Cut that white out.

[B]

No, Dr. Umar. So what? Okay, we. You still don't let me spit it out about J. Edgar Hoover, okay, Please. So this is my issue with trying to figure out if something is a conspiracy theory, right? So like to me, normally off the bat, the first. Like you said, I'm the population. So of course, me thinking population controls conspiracy. Because I'm the population. That's who I'm supposed to be fooled by, stuff like that, right? I think about things like back in the day with J. Edgar Hoover. And I can imagine being a teenager and I'm in this pro black group that's all about us uplifting each other. We calling it the Panthers and we protecting each other. We doing all this, right? And it's one of the Panthers that are saying, I'm telling y', all, the government watching us, they bugging us. They trying to get us to do this. Trying to get that. I can imagine that person. People being like, something wrong with you. This. Why would the government be watching us, right? Even when you look at stuff, it's like Martin Luther King it coming out there. He cheated on Coretta, but the man got his phone tapping, he can't find. But so much. So that's what he put out, right? For me. Like, how do you figure out when. Because half of those things that those people back then, probably the masses, look. Black people, my people looked at, like, that's. It's impossible. Especially about the CA. CIA dropping crack off right now, 2025.

[A]

At the show, the global crack, right?

[B]

But right now, in 2025, you have shows as big as snowfall and it's just an open thing. Yeah, cool. But back when it was happening even five or ten it was controversial. Five years after that people killed the.

[A]

White man who exposed because they killed that.

[B]

That exposed the story. So like how as the people at home. Because it's not just about reading. How do you decipher like what the to like what is really going on and what's not. Because my thing is my worst fear is being left in the dark and I don't know what the going on.

[A]

Critical analysis and common sense that we.

[B]

Don'T have a lot of that we.

[A]

Critical analysis means you got to read other than social media.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Common sense.

[B]

You know most people get they step from shade room and Facebook which is.

[A]

That's not good. It's not as bad because it's not corroborated. There's no sources, there's no proof. There's no nothing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Don't get me wrong. A lot of truth don't have proof.

[B]

Right.

[A]

A lot of truth don't have proof. You feel me? So I'm not one of them people that say if you can't prove it, I don't believe it? No, there's a lot you can't prove that's true. You follow what I'm saying? Yeah, but at the same time there still needs to be some kind of a standard.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right. But generally speaking a conspiracy theory is any truth that's not sanctioned by the government. If it's not sanctioned by the government, it's called conspiracy theory, I tell you.

[B]

Meaning if the government didn't approve it being put out.

[A]

Exactly. Okay, I give you a conspiracy theory. But nobody calls it a conspiracy theory because it was approved by the government. What the twin tower was 9 11. How Manhattan. What? The government says that terrorists flew two planes into them buildings. But people who was on the ground in New York said that what they saw didn't even have windows in it. It could have been commercial planes.

[B]

Right? Yeah.

[A]

You follow what I'm saying? The buildings got imploded from the basement. People heard bombs going off on the bottom.

[B]

Is that what Michael Moore said too?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. And I definitely believe Michael. Yes. Okay.

[A]

But people believe it because the government said this is the way it happened.

[B]

Tell him that.

[A]

Check it out. No high ranking officials. No high ranking officials went to the World Trade center that day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Michael Jackson just so happened to oversleep that morning. He was supposed to be in there that day.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

That's a coincidence.

[B]

No, they quiet here. Is it a coincidence or not?

[A]

To, to justify their involvement in Afghanistan. Because the Taliban was burning all the poppy seed. You know, Afghanistan is the number one poppy producer nation, the world. That's where you get your heroin and your opium. They burned it up. America needed to get back in there.

[B]

To get that dope. Yes, that makes sense.

[A]

Yes. That was about crack. And why are drugs so important to governments?

[B]

I'm assuming so they could tax them eventually and make money.

[A]

But also we live in a capitalist society. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Capitalism is based off what everyday consumption. Right. You're looking at the stock market, market every day. Who. But right, but the problem is what do you need to buy a cell phone every day? Do you need to buy a car every day? Do you need to buy sneakers every day?

[B]

You need that crack, though.

[A]

Do you need to buy food, but you need that crack? What is the one thing people want to buy? Whether it's a storm, a tsunami, a blizzard, a birthday.

[B]

Alcohol.

[A]

Covid. Drugs and alcohol. Drugs and alcohol. And that's why most governments subsidize their stock market with drug money.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

America will never stop dealing drugs. It's too profitable. And you know why they love drug money, the most illegal drug money? Because if I don't have billions of dollars I can use to pay for this African president to be assassinated and that South American president to be overthrown. You follow what I'm saying? I need money to pay for these operations that Congress never approved. If I ain't got the money, I gotta get congressional approval. I wanna get congressional approval. So the drug money is how I run all my illegal operations on behalf of the United States government.

[B]

That's what always irritated with me, people with that like look down on different drug use. People are total drunks. They get drunk from Monday, start two dollar Tuesday, wasted Wednesday. To me, it's no different. It's no different person that's addicted to alcohol than the person that snorts heroin after they get off of work.

[A]

I had actually more people die from cigarettes and alcohol.

[B]

More people die from driving drunk than driving on heroin or driving, smoking crack. Like that's a fact.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

But alcohol is legal. So other, other black, you know, people will judge you on it. Because the man said, I don't know.

[A]

Why alcohol is killing us though.

[B]

Alcohol is killing us.

[A]

Alcohol is killing us. From kids up the kidney, the liver, sclerosis.

[B]

Yeah, I could, I never even think abuse of it. Yes.

[A]

The dementia.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

And then you got to realize that the malt liquor that they say sale the 40 ounce. Do you know that malt liquor Was never intended to be consumed by humans. Do you know what malt liquor is? When they're done making the high grade liquor, that's the garbage left at the bottom of the barrel. You know how I learned this? I met a brother, I was in Sprint one day, we both getting our phones fixed. He just so happened to be one of the distributors for the beer company. He said, Dr. Umar, malt liquor was never supposed to be consumed. That was the leftover stuff. But they had so much of it, they said, we need to find something we could do. And they said, sell it to the blacks. And Snoop Dogg sell it to the blacks. It's like. It's like 250 more toxic than any other other liquors. And they bring it right to our community. And I got a problem with the rappers because all the rappers are endorsing alcohol. Don't we have enough alcohol in the black community? Why does every rapper gotta either have a weed weed factory or you selling alcohol? That's all y'. All.

[B]

How about they push, give me a hospital. They don't. Give me a school.

[A]

Give me a supermarket. Give me a distribution company. Don't bring me no damn weed farm and no alcohol.

[B]

Oh, my God. You know what? This occurred to me. What the. Do you listen to, like, just African drums and.

[A]

Or do you like music Shot gold? You listen to what?

[B]

Do you like to listen to old.

[A]

Stuff, So R and B rap? What poor righteous teachers? I like prt, but I'm a public enemy guy. Told you I was a public enemy. Tupac is my favorite rapper.

[B]

Tupac's your favorite Tupac? Okay.

[A]

I always wonder what would have happened if he would have been around for us to meet.

[B]

Yeah, that would have been crazy. Tupac at 50 would have been crazy.

[A]

Yes. New edition, Jagged edge. I'm mostly 90s in early 2000s rapid music.

[B]

Okay, so there's no mumble rap right now that you like?

[A]

I listen to a little bit of NBA Youngboy because I like the aggression.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

Cause it's good.

[B]

Yeah, it's good though.

[A]

Meek Mill, obviously. North Philly used to live at English with us.

[B]

Of course. Right.

[A]

But I don't do a lot of the new school. Yeah, I don't do a lot of the new school.

[B]

What's your thoughts on drill music?

[A]

No. Yeah, Anything that promotes self destruction, I can't do it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We need to have another. We need a black cultural renaissance like the Harlem Renaissance. We have to take back all of our arts. You feel me? Hip hop, graffiti, take it all back and turn it positive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You feel me? We have allowed them to be used for negative.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't get the youth if you don't get the culture.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Got to take the culture.

[B]

And it's at the most extreme that it could be where it's some fat white guy in the office and he's talking to some guy from Broward county in Florida, and he dissing all his options. Some of his friends are dying, and this guy might bail him out of jail if he can, if it's worth the risk of other times. He just forget this. Live like that's really what's going on right now.

[A]

And let me say this for clarity. I do like this because you got violence in Wilmington, you got violence in Philly, you got violence in Chester, you got violence in Baltimore.

[B]

The shootout that just happened. I have never been afraid of a. Like, I've never watched footage because I come from outside. The first case I caught, a Dell case, is guns, drugs, all of it my. And court with nobody else.

[A]

I got you.

[B]

But watching them little ass hands, cup switches. Like they know to hold this from the bottom. It just me up just watching all them girls. I'm speaking of the shootout and raising killers. These. And it's the thing if you not outside, you wouldn't know. But now the younger, they start young. Like the people that say smoking is 13, 14, 15. It's been like that since at least I'm gonna say 20. Like 13.

[A]

Like they little kids, the way we allow them to be.

[B]

I couldn't imagine my son coming home smelling like gunpowder. I'm not having a conversation with this boy.

[A]

The black community has no system to socialize its own children.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So the children are being used against. You see that? There's three main reasons why we got so much community violence in the black community community. One is miseducation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you don't fix the schools and the opportunities that come from a decent education, you can't stop violence. Yeah. Because violence grows from the soil of poverty. Violence grows from the soil of poverty. If I'm listening to a mayor of Wilmington or the mayor of Chester or the mayor of Philly or the mayor of New York, say, I want to do something about violence, but I don't want to do nothing about poverty.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I want to do something about violence, but I don't want to do nothing about the school. I want to do something about violence, but I don't do nothing about the economic devastation, the underemployment of black youth. You know, Black youth have one of the lowest employments in America. Immigrants have a higher employment than our teenagers. Nobody wants to hire black youth because of the stereotypes. They can't find work, you see? So if you don't deal with the education, the economic castration. Here's the third part. Mental illness. Yeah. Mixed with post traumatic slavery disease.

[B]

It ain't getting high.

[A]

First of all, black people are angry at the system.

[B]

We should be.

[A]

They kill each other because they know if you touch the system, there's consequences. Me and you get into an argument, I take your life, God forbid, right? I'm really mad at the system. I ain't got no job, I ain't got no house. My mom ain't got no food, My kids are. You feel I'm mad at the system, but I can't attack the system. I ain't got the courage to do that. This. If I attack the system, there's consequences. But if I take you out, they might not even look for me. You see that? Most of the violence in our community, it's for the system. Yeah, but I'm going to kill you. I feel like, like, because you're the only. The only person a black people can assault and not be held accountable is another black person.

[B]

I used to land on the bottom. I went to war with the guys from down the bottom. I didn't say the N word. Me and my baby father shout out to you. To me, me using a hammer and busting my neighbor in the head was the American way. Because in America, that's how you solve your issues with violence. America, you figure out a way to make money. You do well with the money. You keep doing it. It makes total sense. Sense why I tried to sell drugs at 14, 15, 16, and kept it up as an adult. That's capitalistic. Like, I resent the fact almost like it's a ghetto thing, even though I understand it isn't why it is. But Terminator is the governor in California. Like Terminator. Kill. That's the American way to be violent. That's a very American thing we brought here.

[A]

America is violence.

[B]

Yeah. So it's like, like for me, I never felt like a criminal. I felt like a real American.

[A]

America's. America's neurosis over black on black crime stems from the fact that they never want you to politicize your violence against the state.

[B]

This black on black crime isn't real.

[A]

Well, you do have black on black crime.

[B]

What is black on black crime?

[A]

Black people killing black people.

[B]

Well, everybody kills people that live in their Vicinity.

[A]

That's true. But guess what? We're the only people. Black men. The leading cause of death is other black men.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

From 2021-40, the leading cause of death is other black men. That's not true for every group.

[B]

The leading cause of black men 20.

[A]

To 21 to 40 is other black men. Homicide.

[B]

I don't want people to know that. Cut that out. I'm so serious.

[A]

Homicide. Okay, and guess what number two is. Suicide. Shut up. Black people are taking their life like it's crazy, man.

[B]

Oh, that's so sad.

[A]

Men, women rising that. I seen that. Oh, it's a big R. And since COVID black girls 12 to 17.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Little fastest growing suicide risk.

[B]

But that's that social media. I couldn't imagine being a little kid growing up with social media. You know, you get your ass with only people that talk about the fights. People that came in and friends of those people. Now you get your ass whooping. They replay it. My daughter got her first fight. She got her ass whooped. They played it and put one of my viral sounds on top of it and slowed it down. So every time she dipped and the punched her like you called it to my voice.

[A]

And you should have got the child expelled. Because technically, if you reproduce the assault of a child, that's an expellable offense in most school districts. That's cyber bullying to the 10th power. Y' all should have got. Whoever did that, y' all could have got. Not that she wanted to, but she won, but you could have got that shot. Expelled from school.

[B]

And it was like, I don't know what you would call it, White girl that's totally engulfed in black culture.

[A]

What do you call it?

[B]

Wigger.

[A]

I don't call it Snow bunny.

[B]

A snow. When you say snow bunny, I think blind hair from a C. People.

[A]

Credit. Yeah, I mean immersing yourself in black culture. If a white person wants credit for me, immerse yourself in one of these fights that my people have for freedom, justice and equal. How about you fight for better schools and fight against mass incarceration and fight against homelessness and gentrification and fight against police genocide and fight against economic apartheid. If a white person wants to impress me, fight against one of our problems. Learning my culture and learning how to cook black food and learning how to play the drum. That shit means nothing to me.

[B]

You know what pissed me off the most? You'll see a video on social media and it would be a white guy and he's nailing a black dance like he hitting the nanny. He it up. And it's black people in the comments. Like, that's right. You can come to the cookout.

[A]

It influenced me because black people are always looking to be accepted by others. And that's why it's so easy to exploit our culture. We will give it away to you if we think this is going to help you like us. We will sell the whole community down a drain just for a smile from a Caucasian.

[B]

I just thought we were really helpful. Like, we just like to fix stuff and help people.

[A]

Charity starts at home, just like all them black people. Self help. Where's the self help?

[B]

Just like black people kept saying, we're gonna stay out of the ICE thing. We're not saying nothing. We told them not to vote for Trump. Black people are standing up and saying things about ice, you know what I mean? Not just about the Haitian people that are being kidnapped by ice.

[A]

And the black people spoke more about Palestine than they did about Haiti, Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan put together. Black people cared more about the Palestinians than they own people. You will never find that in another race. We are the only people who will care more about another people's crisis than our own. I want what's best for the Palestinians. I want what's best for the Mexicans and the immigrants. But if you think any of my time, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Until all black problems are free, I have no. Excuse me. Until all black problems have been fixed, I have no time for anybody else's issues.

[B]

Heard you. I want to spit a couple names at you and see what you think.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Tyler Perry.

[A]

Tyler Perry is a legend. I appreciate the rags the Riches story. If he starts giving us some positive content, he could end up on my 21st century Mount Rushmore. Because his rags, the richest story is amazing.

[B]

It's amazing.

[A]

Oprah Winfrey's rags, the richest story is amazing.

[B]

Yes, it is.

[A]

Jay Z's rags, the richest story story is amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But guess what? They haven't given us anything enough where we can say, not only did he do this for himself, he did it for us too. None of them have given us an institution yet. Think about it. We don't have.

[B]

I don't think Oprah has no, like, like Oprah, like, you know, this is perfectly.

[A]

Came from nothing.

[B]

I used to always say, I'mma be the black Oprah. And I wouldn't even think about it. That's how white she is to me, in my mind.

[A]

No, she's white.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But what I'm saying is her story is so profound. Her Story that if she ever flipped.

[B]

Her black and her bun back in.

[A]

The day, Oprah, you know. But the problem with them is they so close to white people. Yeah, they really know how white people are. They know more than we do. Yeah, they up there with them billionaires who will kill you at the drop of a hat. And so some of them are selfish, but a lot of them are scared. A lot of them are scared to.

[B]

Lose position or mess it up.

[A]

To lose they life money to lose. They look what they did to Bill Cosby because he wouldn't let them draw for drill for oil under his house. He'd get accused of raping all these ugly fat old white women.

[B]

So Bill Cosby didn't rape anybody.

[A]

No.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

That's what they do in Hollywood. Bill Cosby didn't rape nobody. The the second largest oil company in America wanted to drill under his house in Massachusetts. Cosby wouldn't let him do it. That's when he got hit. They was going to liquidate his assets through the lawsuits. Force them to sell the house. They get the drill to the oil. Damn. That's why these people in jail. R. Kelly may be guilty, but guess what? That ain't why he did. R. Kelly there because he didn't want to give his unpublished music away to a certain music company. He there because yes, he did. Because he wanted his masters back. Whitney Houston is there because she wanted to audit on her earnings and she wanted her masters back. Prince is there because he ain't give his unpublished music up. Michael Jackson is dead cause he wouldn't sell back the Beatles catalog.

[B]

Now the first thing I believed, maybe even Michael Jackson prior to this con.

[A]

Oh, Michael Jackson is a fact.

[B]

But R. Kelly. R. Kelly's R. Kelly nasty. I don't give a.

[A]

No, no, no. I'm not saying he's innocent.

[B]

They locked him.

[A]

No, no, no. This is what I'm saying. That ain't why he's there. Okay, I see the problem with us is we can't separate the politics from the personal. You feel me? Puff Daddy might be a creep, but Puffy didn't go to jail because he was a creepy creep. Why creeps in the music industry?

[B]

Yes, they are.

[A]

Puffy went to jail because he sued Diageo and forced him to settle out of court. And they wanted him to go to jail so they wouldn't have to pay him. That's what they saying.

[B]

Well, who the went to jail cuz they supposed to go to jail?

[A]

Suge Knight, maybe.

[B]

I just read that. I just read that. Suge Knight, that was his friend, and they got in the car together to go handle business. Suge Knight had a podcast on our music media company for a little while from jail. He will call in, but I've read that because he's. He went to jail allegedly for running over a guy and, like, hurting him. The story is, is that. That they got into an issue with. With another. So hard not to say it in word with some other guys. They went together to attack these guys together, and it was like a freak accident. And he ran his friend over, but they went together to fight together.

[A]

Here's the thing. When black people are nothing but commodities, that's all we've ever been to whites, you understand? When they no longer need you, you are fair game. When LeBron James stopped playing basketball, LeBron James better be careful about every move he make, because they only protect you as long as they need you. The minute they don't need your ass no more, you ain't no different than Umar Johnson. Notice how they get all of them after their prime? Who did they get in? They prom. Name one. They don't get nobody in their prom because they still need you in your prime. You're still valuable. Mike Tyson, they get you after your prom. Bill Cosby, France. And Mike Vic. Well, Mike Vick wasn't billionaire status, you feel me? I think Mike Vick owned team. Yeah. You feel me? I think there was some. I think he got set up by his own team.

[B]

With them dogs?

[A]

With them dogs. I think Mike Tyson might have got set up, but I'm not so sure that wasn't the Mafia who set him up because he wouldn't give him a cut. No, bro. You don't know the mob runs bought boxing. You don't know that. Yeah, yeah, I remember. They say Muhammad Ali, first heavyweight championship was a throw. That the who he? Sonny Liston.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They said the mob told Sonny Liston to lose that fight, bro. Remember the Nation of Islam had to get the Mafia off of Muhammad Ali. The Fruit of Islam had to go tell them, y' all gonna leave him alone or y' all gonna have beef with us. Yeah. Some people say that's why Sam Cooke got murdered, because Sam Cook didn't have no muscle behind him. Remember, Sam Cooke owned his own masters, owned his own publishing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is why Motown was big. Sam Cooke is owning everything. Oh, some people said the Mafia did Sam cooking. We can't have black people thinking that they can own their own publishing. How do we eat right?

[B]

Now, listen, on a lighter note, Dr. Omar, because we have been here for a bit. It's almost over. I hate to say it.

[A]

I ain't in no rush. King Kong.

[B]

King Kong consciousness business. My question to you is, like, what can we do to get united? Sometimes when I think about. Because I use my platform every way I can to like, like, remind us that we all we got. I think I. I truly believe that it's nobody that's gonna come save us. There's no group that's gonna. That's gonna have any special interests and make sure we. Okay. We have to take care of each other. Like in general, in every way you could think of. Like when I think about days that they speak of that I've never seen. Like when people say, talk about these, these old times, wherever you got in trouble and the lady at the block smacked upside your head, and then you got home, you got popular. I've never even seen no like that.

[A]

That's when we had community. We haven't had that.

[B]

How do you get.

[A]

Integration destroyed community. I don't think black people knew how much we really loved white people until integration. Remember up until integration, you were forced to stay away from them. It could cost you your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think we realize how much we were in love with white people people until desegregation came. That's why you hear black people say they need to segregate us again. Why does your enemy have to separate you from him?

[B]

Right.

[A]

In order for you to do white right by yourself? Because black people are too intoxicated with white folks. Most black people are after white validity. Yeah. White success, white validity, white proximity and white imitation. It's.

[B]

I just don't.

[A]

We want to imitate whites. We want to be accepted by whites. And we want to be as close to them as we possibly can, despite how poorly they treat us.

[B]

Just like it's like an automatic thing. Then when you get to a certain level, you move to a white neighborhood, you send your kids to white schools.

[A]

Our definition of success is tied to them.

[B]

That's so annoying because we've run everything. We make everything.

[A]

Like of top tier athletes, black men 75 marry white girls. Why 75? Because it makes me feel like a man. I feel more equal to the white man. I feel better about myself. See, when a black man penetrates white vagina, when the black man penetrates white vagina psychologically, he says to himself, I have made it. I am equal. I am good enough. See that? The white woman is the black man surrender flag. And she's his Pass into white society when. If I walk into. Take me. Right. If Dr. Umar walk into a meeting with a white girl, it don't matter how hard I talk. Do you feel me? It don't matter. Look at Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley, he's pretty. He's an alpha male coon, but he's an alpha male. But because he got that white woman, White people don't think about what Charles Barkley got to say. They know you never going to do nothing against us because you sleep with us. You see that? No matter how tough you talk, if your woman is white, they know you white.

[B]

So you safer.

[A]

You safer. That's why I appreciate the brother, the track brother for the Olympics. What's his name? Who married the chocolate Jamaican sister? The sprinter. The sprinter from the Olympics. No allowed Lyles married a chocolate queen from Jamaica. He ain't getting no attention, you feel me? Now, I wouldn't have had a problem if he married a light skinned queen. But the fact that he married a chocolate queen, which is something they frowned upon. I had to respect him for doing that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

See, our thing is we got to get rid of the colorism all together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Merit in our community should be based on service to the race.

[B]

So a brother come to you and say, you know what, Dr. Umar, I've been reading into you. I'm getting into you. So intelligent. I feel like a lot of y' all principles will advance us as a community. I didn't marry this white girl. What do I do?

[A]

You say, when the children. No, not if you got babies.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

As much as I don't support the bunny hop. If you have babies with women of another race, it is not those children's fault that you hate yourself. So if you pregnant, stay with me. Stay with me. Wilmington, Delaware, stay with me. And I get these questions from black men. They ask me, yeah, and you know what? I. How old are your children? Well, you know, I got a five or six or seven. I said, brother, it's not fair.

[B]

Men have to ask you that. And they got a white woman.

[A]

Yeah, Dr. Umar, I'm conscious now. I wasn't conscious. And they say, what do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? E fatu day. And I tell him, I said, you got to stay in that house to the babies that grown. You know why? Because if you leave that white woman, she bringing a white man in there. Do you want that white man looking at your daughter?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Do you want that white man chastising your black sons? The biggest mistake Black men make when they make these babies with these non black women is if this relationship don't work, your child gonna be raised by not only another man, but a man of another race who can't stand yours.

[B]

Yeah, that's deep.

[A]

So you got to stay there. I would never tell a black man a white walk out on his kids because the mother white. Nah, you dug that ditch.

[B]

You ain't got laying it. You ain't got nothing with that. With a German shepherd, do you pack up and leave? Do you take the dog or you leave a bit? The dog with the dog with the lady.

[A]

You don't have any children.

[B]

All y' all got is how close.

[A]

Is she with the dog?

[B]

That's your son. The dog is your child. You don't have any human children.

[A]

They just locked the guy up the other day. They caught him having sex with his dog. No, this was on the news.

[B]

No, they. It really was a guy on the news.

[A]

Yeah, he was having sex with his dog.

[B]

Yeah. So don't leave the dog. There's no way I'm telling y', all, okay?

[A]

I'm not messing with no woman who dog sleep in the bed with her. Do. Do you know anybody personally? Any. Any of your male black friends have white wives and. And mixed kids? Anybody? Friend? No, I don't have snow bunny hoppers for friends.

[B]

How about, like cousins and brothers? Like family members when you go to.

[A]

Yeah, I got. I got family members who Bunny hop. Yeah.

[B]

Damn. I want that reunion tense as a.

[A]

No, it ain't. No, cuz they know where I stand. I know where they stand. The snow bunny know who I am.

[B]

If uncle I forgive.

[A]

No, I'm not gonna mistreat her. If she speak. Listen, y' all gotta understand something, cuz I don't hate nobody. Right? I have white fans. I have white fans.

[B]

Of course you do.

[A]

I have Asian fans. I had an Arab woman just send me a picture in Instagram yesterday. Said, would you like me? I'm built like a sister. She was ass fat as. But you're not black. You not black. I can't tap it. It's against the rules. It's against the rules.

[B]

Have you been married before?

[A]

I've never been married. I've never lived with a woman.

[B]

And if you do get married, two queens got it.

[A]

They don't have to live in the same house. They don't have to live in the same state.

[B]

You have to make sure you live.

[A]

In the same country. They ain't got to live on the same continent because I'm Intercontinental IFA Tunde.

[B]

Damn. Y' all ain't in the palace together.

[A]

It's up to them. Now if they say they want to live together, but they can't be popping each other because I don't do no LGBs. They can't be what can be popping each other. It ain't that type of no.

[B]

Scissoring. Scissoring? You know they scissor when they bump. Gucci not go nah, it's like this.

[A]

Not in the e tun. You know what? Scissors. All eyes on pop. So you're not having intercourse with both wives s at the same time? No, ain't no need for that.

[B]

That's gay.

[A]

Four cheeks. That would be a pretty sight. But no, we not going to do that. Four center buns now. No, we not doing. No, we're not doing a freaking. This is not a freak off, this is a marriage.

[B]

So listen, listen.

[A]

It's not a freak off, it's a marriage.

[B]

So listen, you have.

[A]

And if they ever come home with a loosey goosey, they getting divorced. If you ever get in my bed and your rubber band pop, keep going to your mama house.

[B]

What the does. What does that mean?

[A]

If the rubber band popped like the hymen. They gotta be virgins if your walls are worn out.

[B]

But you would know that before you marry. You would know that. You're not gonna test it.

[A]

You damn right I'm testing.

[B]

I know you're gonna do some women.

[A]

Some queens have put so many miles on their Vajayja.

[B]

Oh, Dr. Umar, please.

[A]

No, listen, this is real. I'm gonna be real. Be real. There are women in their 50s who are in better vaginal health than women in their 30s. Do you hear me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've dated women who you would think they were virgins and they over the age of 40. I've dated women under 40. You would think they was over the age of 60.

[B]

Cannot. Cannot.

[A]

Introduce on your engine and the transmission will slip.

[B]

I don't believe you could sell. I don't think.

[A]

Yes, you can tell.

[B]

I don't think you know that.

[A]

Biggest mistake women make is y' all think all for JJ is the same.

[B]

John, you better stop nodding. It's called kegels.

[A]

Listen. Talk, ladies. Talk about it.

[B]

Ladies.

[A]

Listen. Talk about it.

[B]

Eagles. Thank you.

[A]

No two are the same. Are you Listen. No two are the same.

[B]

What? Coochies.

[A]

Every woman in this room you would know.

[B]

I never had.

[A]

Listen. Every woman in this room has a completely different energy. You have a completely different moisture level. You have a completely different temperature. Some of y' all stay cold. Some of y' all get extra hot.

[B]

My moisture.

[A]

Some of y' all extra dry, some extra wet. And the last one, that's me. Extra wet is your tightness.

[B]

You extra dry.

[A]

You're one of y' all the best cookies in the world. The best peach cobbler you can ever have here. Y' all listening late. The best peach cobbler on earth. It is extra hot, it is extra wet, and it is extra tight. And the worst peach cobbler in the world is extra cold, extra dry, extra loose. I said black queens forever.

[B]

Snow bunnies never.

[A]

Snow bunnies never. And this is why black women gotta stop telling men how many parts, partner. Listen to me, ladies. This is game. Never tell a man when is the last time you've been with another man.

[B]

We know that.

[A]

No, but women do it all the time. We don't like y' all volunteer. I ain't been with nobody. We volunteer lies there with nobody in three years and you ain't got no walls three seconds before we started chatting. But this the thing though. When y' all trying to impress us, y' all just turning us off because I never acted You. That's the thing. And you know why we. And why do we not need to know? You know why you don't need to know?

[B]

Because it's none of your business.

[A]

But even more than that, as a man, why you know why I don't need to know?

[B]

Because you want to feel like you the only I've ever had.

[A]

No, let him answer. Let him answer.

[B]

He asked me.

[A]

Listen. When I enter your sacred waters, when I enter your caramel, when I enter your dark cinnamon, when I enter your butterscotch cream, I'm going to have a very pretty good idea on when the last time somebody swam in this ocean. It ain't no myth. It is not no myth.

[B]

That's bullshit. I just don't believe it.

[A]

Is not. No, listen. There was a woman I was going to marry. I can't tell her story. I care about it. Well, let me give it okay. You know, spare, but tell the story. Okay. I went on a trip out the country. I was in love with her. This is here in Philadelphia. I said to myself, when I come back from this 30 day trip, if that coochie type, we getting engaged, okay? Because this was her final test. 30 days, that was simple.

[B]

Keep your coochie.

[A]

But she didn't know because you don't tell them. Because if you tell them, then they gonna. Yeah, she gonna. She gonna keep it tight. Just because she know. So I didn't tell her. So I came back, 30 days, 30 nights, right out the country. I couldn't wait to hit it. I go inside my royal waters and there was water missing. I said, this is. This is not the way I left this.

[B]

This shit going too far.

[A]

So I looked at her and I said, my beautiful African queen. Who been inside my swimming pool? And she said, nobody. I said, I'm gonna ask you one more time. I've been going for 30 days and 30 nights. I know how I left you 30 days ago. Who been in my peach cobbler? And she said, nobody. I said, I'm gonna ask you one more time and I'm gonna get dressed and I'm walking out that door and I'm never coming back. She said, nobody. I got up, put my clothes on. I said, you know what? I was about to marry your ass. You should have saw her face.

[B]

Did it hurt? Were you hurt?

[A]

I was more hurt because she them some good ass cookies. She gave them to somebody while I was gone. When I got to the door, she stopped me and she looked at me. And guess what she said.

[B]

Just one person.

[A]

How did you know?

[B]

Oh, that's what she said.

[A]

She finally admit cause she was so overwhelmed that I knew. She said, was it the way I smelt? No. And let us be clear, ladies. Cheaters. Coochie has a different smell. Ladies. Y' all need to know that. Did you hear me, princess?

[B]

Now that's true.

[A]

Cheaters coochie has it. This is. Let me give you the four smells of a woman. You want the four cents?

[B]

I think I might know them.

[A]

But ladies, listen to King Kong. Listen to King Kong. You have a scent when you're about to have your menstrual. That's mother nature, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every man know that scent. You better hit it tonight, cuz tomorrow it's over. It's over. The premenstrual scent. Okay, I better have my fun now, she cheated on me scent. Every woman has a she cheated on me scent. You know when you sniff that yoni, when it warm up, somebody else then baked your pancakes, okay?

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

Woman got the you need to wash your ass scent. Go soak that yoni. Go soak that yoni. And guess what the fourth sin is.

[B]

What?

[A]

We having a baby.

[B]

Oh, okay. When she pregnant.

[A]

Y' all have a pregnant scent.

[B]

We definitely have pregnant scents, for sure.

[A]

I dated a woman one time, I told her she was pregnant. She couldn't believe it. Yeah. I said, you pregnant and I ain't Even touched her yet, so it can't be mine. Key Cole. Pregnancy scent. Premenstrual scent. Wash your ass scent, and you cheated on me scent. Every woman got them. They only know two of them. And black men master the sense of your woman because although the scents are generally the same, most of y' all in here will generally have the same scent when the four conditions are going on. But sometimes it can be different. If you know your woman's sense, you know your woman.

[B]

You go down there and it smell like fruity pebbles or lavender. What is your thoughts on that?

[A]

It depends. Because if you don't normally smell like fruity pebbles and lavender, and you smell like fruity peppers and lavender, you're smart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You trying to hide that. That dick scent. And woman, don't ever tell your man if you cheated on him, you can't. We don't take it like y' all take it. Y' all take it like a champ.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Women take it like a champ. If he didn't marry her, black men, we don't give a damn if you love. Excuse me, if he didn't love her, y' all will say, did he love her? And if he didn't, y' all could deal with that smash stuff, too.

[B]

We don't like that.

[A]

Right. But for us, you can say, I didn't love him. I don't give a damn.

[B]

Yeah. You cannot even crush your cookies.

[A]

We be hurt for life.

[B]

Please. You can hold y'. All. We hold hands. Y' all get hurt. You can't do nothing.

[A]

Oh, we'd be hurt.

[B]

You have to walk a straight line.

[A]

And then we say, I want to see. See who he is, knowing damn well we don't want to see who he.

[B]

Is or you or no. What y' all say that's stupid, is, did you suck it? How was it? Better. Yeah, they. That's what y' all do, though. That's not what they do.

[A]

First of all, my wife sucked off another man. She's a hoe. H E A u x.

[B]

Listen, Dr. Tell.

[A]

You mean you sucked off another man and you cheated. That's a ho. It's bad enough you gave him the damn peach cobbler. You had to give him a gummy bear, too. We done. Oh, we ain't coming back from that. We ain't coming back from. We. We probably not gonna come come back because you gave away my peach cobbler. Right? You crawled in my bed with a loose ass goose. We should be done there. But if I find out you gummy beared His Shango stick. You gummy bared his Shango stick. Oh, we done. We the hell done. I don't care if you take half. In fact, take 95. I'm never sleeping in the same bed with a woman who gummy beared another man Shango stick while we was in a relationship. How do you watch your damn mind?

[B]

How do you feel about men that do take their woman back that cheat on them? What do you do? I respect it, too. I think it takes a real man to be able to get past something petty like that because it's just sex.

[A]

It ain't always petty with you.

[B]

Oh, it's very.

[A]

No, let me explain something.

[B]

It's petty.

[A]

No, let me explain something. Men cheat, right? We often cheat because we don't feel appreciated. Women cheat because y' all don't get attention.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when y' all cheat, y' all tend to need some type of an emotional connection with the cheating partner. Yeah, we don't need an emotional connection. We need a FedEx.

[B]

I fall in love with my side. Yo, can I tell you a secret?

[A]

Y' all need a connection. So if you let him hit, I know you felt some way about that man. Unless you're a hoe. If you're not a hoe, you felt something for that man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Women are not made to smash and dash.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Unless you a hoe. A hoe will smash, smashing, dash. But if she not know how you had a connection.

[B]

I do feel like women are set up, like, literally, hormonally. We release certain hormones that make us want to love you and take care of you and cook for you, things like that.

[A]

I do believe y' all normally need a connection to get there, but y' all don't randomly do that.

[B]

But the times are changing, and I feel like for me growing up, right, I remember people teen pregnancy.

[A]

If you giving out community coochie, go get a 501c3 tax, not for profit, and get some damn tax write off for giving that Gucci out. Dr. Omar, put a 501C3 on that vagina. If it's community cooch, call the community cooch and get some tax write offs.

[B]

Dr. Dr. Warren, when I was coming up, right t pregnancy was a big thing, right? And people was. And for me, it was like, I didn't want to be a hoe. That was my whole thing. I would see girls get pregnant. That scared the out of me. I was molested as a kid. I think it scared me from boys in general. I think I lost my Virginia at like 18. My first boyfriend bought me a lot of he did for me. I lost my virginity. He cried with me. We both cried like we was in love with each other. But I was an adult technically.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

When I look back on that, I regret not being a. Like every I know now is winning. Like people love whores marry their horse. They take their horse places, they do stuff. You know why? Cuz men like to come. They don't give a about how many you look at Hollywood. Look how them bounc around.

[A]

Love as much as you can today you might die tomorrow. There's no woman queen. There's no black. There's no black woman. Fight back. You can't say Queen Kong. That's Suki Honda title I'm playing. I'm joking. I'm joking.

[B]

My friend Suki's a friend of the vibe.

[A]

I'm joking. Listen, you know Suki from here? Yeah, yeah, Suki.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Yeah. Here's the thing. Damn. What was you saying? I had an adhd. I thought I had an ADHD moment. An ancestral diversion for higher development.

[B]

I think men love who.

[A]

Oh, I don't think it help. What did Tyler Perry tell the white guy who's suing him? Tyler Perry said, I'mma take care of you. And of course this is homosexual. But I'm just draw the parallel quickly.

[B]

Oh, I don't know about it.

[A]

The guy, he being sued for $260 million.

[B]

Educate me.

[A]

From the white guy from the show that he was. What's the show I just talked about? Nah, you know, you know the actor that's suing Tyler Perry, the white actor is suing him for sexual harassment. You knew that. Listen, well, Tyler Perry hasn't admitted he gay.

[B]

So I don't say he gay. Respect.

[A]

But the guy.

[B]

But he's gay.

[A]

He's being accused of it. Right? Okay, but my point is, the guy said Tyler Perry told him I'm too busy for an emotional attachment. I want somebody I can take care of. Smash and dash when I want and they keep their damn mouth shut.

[B]

Score.

[A]

Stay with me. That's what a lot of men want, right? That's what a provides. You don't pay a whore to stay around.

[B]

You pay her to leave.

[A]

You pay her to leave when you're done with her.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Here's my point. No black woman. I don't care how many long how many times she's been tricking or hoeing or prostitute. No black woman can naturally and healthily disconnect spiritually from her vagina. Without constant practice and effort. You understand me? A black woman has to literally disconnect her vagina from herself in order to engage in constant prostitution and hoish. It's not your nature.

[B]

That's what some people end up addicted to drugs.

[A]

That's why you take a woman, a woman who've been prostituting for 20 years, she go to church and find the right pastor, go to the mosque and find the right imam, go into an African traditional circle and find the right bible or mama, right? And she walk away from that life for the rest of her life. And you say she been hoeing for 20 years. I've seen that woman cleaned her ass up overnight because it was always her nature to be divine. It's not meant for y' all to not love who y' all give y' all yoni to.

[B]

So your honest can get deleted.

[A]

What you mean? Yes. Okay, but here's my question. Your wholeness might have gotten deleted, but did your rubber band pop?

[B]

It's popped. I knew he was gonna say that.

[A]

Cause if you ain't got no walls, I don't want your draws. If you ain't got no walls, I don't want your draws. So if she got the crazy past, but the snatch still tight, you good. There's nothing worse than making love to a drop dead gorgeous woman. Listen to me, there is nothing worse. And fellas know what I'm talking about. If you ever had a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10, you feel me? Off the scales.

[B]

Bad bitch.

[A]

And you lay with her and she had no walls and that coochie corny, and you looking at her like you the finest thing on this. I mean fine, no walls. You know what that comes from? Having sex too early, too often. When I see a beautiful princess, I'm concerned because women who are attractive black women, y' all date earlier and y' all date older men earlier. 16 year old, fully developed, voluptuous 10th grader. Yeah, she would have her 27 year old boy.

[B]

I was fully developed. She's going to get you.

[A]

She going to get hurt. And guess what? This is why the most attractive black women have the lowest self esteem. Esteems. The prettiest women in our community have the lowest self esteem. You know why? Because they've been hurt too early in life before they had the psychological resources to deal with trauma. You're basically a baby with a woman's body and you're being mistreated by a grown man. You see that? And a lot of our daughters never recover from that. Trauma of dating men who are too old for them when they are fully developed. And our mothers and community and fathers don't protect our babies enough. Yeah, the more voluptuous, the more beautiful they are, the more we need to keep them on the shelf. You feel me? They get hurt earlier, they get pregnant earlier, they get done dirty earlier. And by the time they 30, even though they still beautiful, when they look in the mirror, they don't see that valued for their body. And that's why we as black men, although I joke about the cookies and the peach cobbler and the Cinnabons, at the same time, I have to be conscious about sexually objectifying the black woman. Because a lot of beautiful Black women are tired of that. Yeah, I'm tired of y' all looking at me and seeing nothing but my beauty. What about my mind, my goals, my pain, my traumas, my insecurities? Are you willing to nurture that? Or do you just want to nurture these cheeks and breasts? We, as Black men, one of the. One of the biggest things we're going to have to do to help our queens is we're going to have to stop sexually objectifying y'. All. And you know what y' all going to have to do?

[B]

What?

[A]

Y' all gonna have to stop financially objectifying us. Black women financially objectify black men too much. And black men sexually objectify black women too much. And I'm gonna tell y' all one more thing. Mona, you just said the coochie can't.

[B]

Go away for free. You can't give it away for free. Put a 501 on it.

[A]

I' ma put her on probation. Not for your right community. Look, here's another conversation that y' all women need to have by yourself with no men around. You know what? The conversation that all y' all women need to have by yourself with no men around. A conversation on plural relationships. Listen to me. I didn't say polygyny. I just said plural relationships. You want to know why? Because there's not an alpha male in Wilmington who ain't got more than one queen. There's not? No. There's no alpha male in this room who ain't got more than one queen.

[B]

I know a lot of bitch ass males who don't have one queen.

[A]

Listen, all y' all women know that the men that y' all like the most are not monogamous men. So why do y' all keep playing games with each other?

[B]

I never really got cheated on.

[A]

That's not crazy. Monogamous alpha males.

[B]

I Don't know.

[A]

Very few.

[B]

I have not. I have never been cheated on. Honestly. Not that I know.

[A]

You may not have, but.

[B]

I might have. But he did.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Because. I don't know.

[A]

The ideal man that most women describe that man is not a monogamous creature.

[B]

Yeah. He's not made for one woman.

[A]

Even if he was. Even if he was. Right. Because let's say we got a lot of monogamous men, okay? There's not enough. Listen. There's not enough heterosexuals to go around. Yeah, there's not enough heterosexual. Y' all gonna have to share. No, listen.

[B]

But y' all don't have to share.

[A]

Listen. Why? The reason why you don't have to share, Mona. Because you're still young and gorgeous. Every sister in this room is still young and gorgeous. But you know what the problem is?

[B]

What?

[A]

30 years from now, you'll still be gorgeous.

[B]

I'm gonna be old, though.

[A]

But guess what? I don't want you at 60 living and dying by yourself.

[B]

Right. Pumping my own gas.

[A]

Do you understand what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm seeing too many queen mothers living bottom. I don't want you. I don't want to see no queen die. And nobody was by her bedside to give her one last hug and one last kiss. And the older y' all get, the less y' all gonna be so concerned about the monogamy anyway. That's a young woman's game. When you hit your 50s and 60s, it's more transactional. It's more operational. And as long as he ain't bringing me no diseases. And ain't bringing me no problems and no extra babies, we good. I'm just saying, black women are setting yourselves up for romantic disappointment. If you're saying that you're going to find a man and keep them all to yourself, you're going to share. Sharon doesn't mean he's going to always have a bunch of chicks. Sharon means at some point in this relationship. He's going to entertain other feminine energy. That's all it means. Means it's up to him to be disciplined enough to not disrespect. You See, when women ask me, Dr. Umar, should I leave because he cheated? You know what I'm asking you, princess? I'm gonna say, is he good to you? Does he take care of you? Does he love you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what you leaving for? Because he cheated. And guess what? The next man you get, he gonna cheat, too. But he ain't gonna be able to do for you what this one did you better be careful about what you about to drop off. Because another queen will pick it up and clean it off and keep going. You don't leave no good man cuz he got some coochie on his side. Are you crazy? But I tell you when you better leave. You know when you better leave. If my daughter came to me and said my husband cheated on me. If he good to her, he don't hit her, he holding her down, taking care of the kids. I'm not going to tell her no. But you better think twice. Because another woman will gladly step into your space.

[B]

The bar.

[A]

Okay. But let me tell you when you better leave. If that other woman has become number one and you now number two. You don't let no man disrespect you. You understand? You might share, but you don't ever give up your position. If you was queen bee, you better stay queen bee. And the minute he wouldn't make you queen, C, D and E. Get your ass about that relationship. You never let a man demote you and put a woman where you were. Because if you allow that type of treatment, he will keep on demoting you till you are no longer relevant in his life at all. You don't leave because you're not the only one. But you better leave when you no longer number one.

[B]

If that hurt, lead that. I mean that man today. If that hurt and you told that.

[A]

Don'T make decisions with emotion.

[B]

He had one more time and that goddamn Nissan Central is in your name. Call it car lot and lead it. That's all. Excuse me.

[A]

Well, if the Nissan. Well here's. I'm not going to say no. But my question to you, Mona.

[B]

I wouldn't leave a man for cheating on me. That's me personally I think cheating for me. I think when men think and what he does.

[A]

This is what I'm telling.

[B]

If you pay her rent, I'm leaving. If you take care of her children, I'm leaving. If I feel like that when I'm calling, you gonna not answer because you were. No, you better tell her to be the quiet answer to my calls.

[A]

But you know what with the rest me though. But wait a minute, wait a minute.

[B]

Feels disloyal.

[A]

I might slightly disagree when you say if he's paying her rent and taking care of the kids, they not his kids. Listen, if she giving up that yoni verse he's obligated to do. That's what a man does. No, wait, wait, wait. Stay with me. Morning. He's already taking care of you. Stay with me. He's already taking care of your kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's already paying your bills.

[B]

You right.

[A]

So what business is it of yours that he's paying the bills for the other wife?

[B]

Because that's our money.

[A]

But how are you losing from him holding down his other family? How are you losing?

[B]

I'm losing because you got to be.

[A]

Mind fish and don't want another woman to have that blessing.

[B]

Call it what you want.

[A]

No, tell me what it is. But you won't be getting. Tell me what it is.

[B]

That's what I know.

[A]

Because here's what's going to happen.

[B]

That's where I draw it.

[A]

Let's do real life. Let's do real life. Y' all saw what happened with Ashanti and Nelly, right? I don't know the whole story. Ashanti and Nelly, one of my favorite young couples. I love how they love each other. Do you stay with me? Yeah, I love her. Okay. I used to have a crush on Ashanti when she was younger.

[B]

She's gorgeous.

[A]

I wanted them Cinnabuns, but anyway, he.

[B]

Wanted Ashanti, but I don't know why she wants Nelly, but go ahead, stop, whatever.

[A]

Now, Nelly was dating another queen, and she needed time to explore as to whether she wanted this. And Ashanti said, oh, really? You taking a break? Don't come back. Make it permanent. I'm taking him. Women got to understand that if you leave him because he paying her bills when yours are already covered, you may not get him back. She might say, you know what? She left you for that. Come on over here. She ain't coming back. You don't always get a second chance. Make your decisions well up front, if that is a smash and grab and you left him, I don't think that was a good move. If he love her, but she's still not over you, you don't leave. You leave when you have been replaced, when you are no longer number one. I'm gonna tell you when y' all leave. When it's too late. A lot of y' all don't leave till you number three and four. And by that time, you don't give a damn if you're going at all. You don't wait till you three or four. I'm out at two.

[B]

When does the black man leave? When? When? Is it too much unappreciation or when? When? Or is he disrespected to a certain point that he has to leave his family or there's no reason for you to leave your family?

[A]

No. As much as I Want him to stick it out. Mental health is real. And the last thing I want is for a black man to stay in a situation where he's so angry and frustrated that he starts with, yeah, look at all the black men who are killing their spouses. You feel me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Black men never killed their women and didn't kill their kids. And then, yeah, they self. That's white man stuff. But now we doing it on Facebook live. The reason I can't force him to stay is because if this situation is too unhealthy, it could end up costing her. You see what I'm saying? So especially if he's domestically abusive. First of all, domestically abusive men shouldn't be getting married at all.

[B]

No, they should.

[A]

Keep your hands to yourself, what I'm saying. Yeah, but if he feel he got to go, he got to go. Men that molest men, because we're not appreciated.

[B]

Men that molest children and rape women, they should be put down. Do you agree? Like murdered?

[A]

Yes. Right. I only have one caveat. Two caveats. You ready for the first one? Yes, I hesitate. There's a couple of states right now that are flirting with the idea that if you get convicted of rape, they do something to your penis now.

[B]

Castrate you.

[A]

No, they don't cut it off, but they make it so you can never use it.

[B]

It's like a liquid castration.

[A]

Something where you can't do nothing but urinate.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Never have sex.

[B]

It won't get hard or Nothing.

[A]

You say, Dr. Umar, why would you hesitate if he raped him?

[B]

Because black people are charged wrongly so much. That's the problem with that. Yeah.

[A]

If we agree with them, we medically castrating our men. If they get something, we're rich for men. Molestation. What happens when he's innocent? Y' all follow me.

[B]

And often not.

[A]

We're black men and women who have been sentenced to death who were innocent. You see him. So I'm not hesitating because I don't agree with the crime. I'm hesitating because of how the crime will be applied.

[B]

And the first guy I'm thinking of is that uncle that your aunt told you to worry about because she got molested by him. That's the person I'm thinking about you.

[A]

Saying in a real situation.

[B]

In a real situation, this in his theory.

[A]

I agree in practice, this in this country. Because I know white men will get off and black men will be cast. Because after all, we have a history of being castrated anyway.

[B]

Yes, we do. Yes.

[A]

So that's my One hesitation. Let me give my second hesitation. Why would Dr. Umar hesitate against medical castration for a rapist or molester? Do you know when most molesters begin molesting?

[B]

After they are molested?

[A]

Say it again, princess. As children. So here's my question to you, Mona. If you found out your 10 year old son.

[B]

Oh God.

[A]

Molested his 5 year old little cousin.

[B]

I have a 10 year old son.

[A]

Are you ready for him to be.

[B]

Put down for molestation?

[A]

A kid?

[B]

No. No.

[A]

Why not? But you just said all molest.

[B]

I did. When I said molesters, I was talking about adult molesting children, not children molesting children. What age as an adult? Same way they do everything else.

[A]

What age are you saying? Once you turn this age, if you molest children, you die. But before that you don't.

[B]

That's hard.

[A]

Exactly. And that's why for me it's an area of concern.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I did my pre doctoral internship in Trenton, New Jersey at the Trenton Residential Treatment Center. Do you know who I work with? All year kids. Boys who molested their cousins and sisters.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Y' all feel me? So I'm working with 12 year olds, 11 year olds. Third, all of them molested somebody. And do you know what I found out in working with them?

[B]

What?

[A]

Damn near every one of them were molested themselves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when you say put down, I agree with you as an adult. But if we gonna have law in order in the black community, Mona, we have to make a tough decision. And you know what that decision is? What is the age cutoff? Is it 18? Is it okay to put down an 18 year old molester?

[B]

Is. I'm hard with that. Because your lobe isn't created. Because that's even hard for.

[A]

In other words, there's extenuating circumstances.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think what I would do is I would institutionalize them for life.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

You feel me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They would be medically institutionalized, psychiatrically institutionalized for life. At least up until a certain age. So we might go up until maybe 21, maybe 25. And then after that you might have to be put down. You follow what I'm saying? But for the babies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could not in good conscience see a baby medically castrated or electric chaired for molesting a kid. When he was molested as a kid too. You felt just like you said, with your son. And of course your son would never do that. But if you had a 10 year old boy who you cared about and you found out he molested a father.

[B]

I don't care about. I never was speaking about children. I'm talking about adults molested children.

[A]

Right, but the point that I'm just making is you gotta have a cutoff. Let's look at the sexual majority laws, right? You know why R. Kelly got nipped off in Chicago and new in New York? Because in Illinois and New York the age of sexual majority is 17. In Pennsylvania, the age of sexual majority is 16. You see that one year of difference determines whether you go to jail for 30 years or not at all. So we have to make this is what self government means. It means we get into a room like this and we talk about all the possible scenarios and we decide what we're going to do. And if you say they should all die, if it's your nephew and your cousin, do you feel the same way in a 13, 14 or 15? Are they getting medically castrated as well? I had a brother in the conscious community, right. We had this debate and he went around telling people that Dr. Umar was soft on child molesters and rapists. No, I'm not. All I said was they start as children. Are we going to kill kids? That's all I said. And if you say we should kill kids, let's have the conversation, right? I'm not soft on the topic, I'm soft on the age. Do we punish children who have mental illness that are the result of being sexually abused themselves? Wow, that's the. These are the hard conversations that the black community don't want to have.

[B]

Dr. Omar, we're about to go. I want to ask you because you're a Leo, right? We had this. It got a little too serious here.

[A]

Leo season is coming up. Today is the 9th. I'm sorry, today is July 23rd. Leo season begins on July.

[B]

Share your honest thoughts on Aquarius. I'm an Aquarius.

[A]

I don't know if you know Aquarius are rebellious by nature. You will create your own path. You don't follow well at all and you don't give a shit what anybody thinks about it. That's the Aquarius. They are a trailblazer, a fire blood good leaders too. You feel me? But when they get upset, they lose their moral compass. When you get angry, you do a lot of nut ass shit. And then when you calm down you say I can't believe I did that.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

And guess what if the Shango stick was good you extra crazy. Oh my God.

[B]

Cut that out.

[A]

Calm consciousness.

[B]

I appreciate you so much coming on Dr. Omar. I really do.

[A]

We had a good and one more Thing.

[B]

Oh, please. No more things. Not about Aquarius.

[A]

One more. Number one. I'm going back to the light skinned piece. Right. Okay. Stay with me.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I'm gonna hold all my fair skinned queens accountable for one thing. That's you. You on the borderline. You more caramel? I'm gonna pass you out. Y' all should never date a man who you know is dating you for your skin tone.

[B]

Oh, that's.

[A]

Are you with me? I'm with you because a lot of light skinned sisters will know. These low self esteem brothers are with you because of your light skin.

[B]

They make you a fetish. It's weird.

[A]

Don't do that. Yeah, but a lot of women do that. Yeah. You follow what I'm saying? Don't ever do that. Number two. Don't ever date an ugly man as a beautiful woman. Princess. I mean it.

[B]

Did you get this man notes?

[A]

I'm talking to caramel.

[B]

Why would y' all give him notes about me?

[A]

Dark cinnamon. I'm talking to sweet brown sugar. Why would y' all give him a sexy buttercream?

[B]

Why would y' all give him stuff about me though?

[A]

Don't date ugly.

[B]

I'm interviewing him.

[A]

Do you know why a beautiful woman can't date an ugly man?

[B]

What are you talking about?

[A]

Because he cannot let you go. First of all, ugly man with a beautiful woman, he will hurt you if you try to leave him. Only and don't let him think you use them for his money or his time or his niceness. He will take you out. Ugly people don't rebound. Well. Am I wrong, family? Am I wrong?

[B]

Dr. Umar Only 90.

[A]

Which is why ugly people should only date ugly people. No, I'm serious. Ugly people should only date ugly people. That way they never be insecure about being taken away.

[B]

Wanted.

[A]

And low self esteem. People should date low self esteem people. Because if you got low self esteem and I got low self esteem, neither one of us going to cheat, Dr. Umar. We don't think nobody want us anyway. And don't let a woman cook for your man.

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

You better not let a woman cook for your man.

[B]

Hell no.

[A]

Young ones, y' all better listen. I know that the way a ugly woman can get your man is that kitchen.

[B]

That kitchen. The kitchen in the c. Cat in the coochie.

[A]

They are undefeated. The coochie in the kitchen are undefeated.

[B]

Them ugly cook for you. Suck you all that burn your bathroom.

[A]

They study your weakness and they master them.

[B]

Rub that back.

[A]

I'm telling you, every man in this room know what I'm talking about when I say this. If he don't, he lying. I'm talking to every brother in here. We have all dated a woman who was not our type until we taste her food. And the way she made that Mac and cheese, the deviled eggs.

[B]

I love devil the oxtail.

[A]

And when you saw her yesterday, you said she ugly, man. And after you had them oxtails and that peach cobbler for dessert.

[B]

I feel the same way about men.

[A]

You said, shit, she do look like Beyonce.

[B]

After a man treats you nice, he gets more handsome. I think the two guys were missing an eye twice.

[A]

I think women's attraction to money makes men more attractive to you unconsciously.

[B]

How about I just don't care about you missing the eye. I like your personality.

[A]

Okay, okay, I'm with that. So you're saying you are an organic queen and money plays no role in your assessment of possible mates. Cause you look like you lying. Look at your nose, your lips and your eyes. He's calling the cops right now on the red farm.

[B]

This is what I'mma say. That's not what grabs my attention about no man. The way he look. I want to be the cute one anyway. So it's like I always like the rougher kind of guy that didn't give a about his appearance.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And sometimes they come missing eyes and being a little ashy. So that's how mine started. I don't feel like detectors. I like a. That's gonna hold it down, right? Yeah, like that, you know? Now financial for me. I don't know how to base it. Somebody like you, if you don't financially.

[A]

Do you expect your king to take care of. You're in a committed relationship.

[B]

I pay the wi. Fi the trash. He pays the mortgage.

[A]

Give me a percentage. 40. Is that 75? 25. What is the breakdown?

[B]

20 is right.

[A]

That's 80 for him and 20 for you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you think that's fair? Yes. Would you have a problem?

[B]

I cook from scratch. Ain't no box in my house. I wash clothes my don't clean. I bring you your plate and I pick it the up. I play my.

[A]

I see what you're saying. You said you completely take and I suck.

[B]

I'm a. I'm your woman. Like, stop.

[A]

Don't talk about gummy bearing the shine go stick. Listen, mine's not unhappy, but stay with me.

[B]

And I don't nag. That's a fact.

[A]

I want to make sure I understand you because it makes sense. I agree what you're telling me.

[B]

I'M earning that.

[A]

We going to do 8020.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the reason we going to do 8020 is because the house will be completely taken care of. Everything in it. And you will be treated like a king at all times.

[B]

If it got that bad, I don't feel like cleaning. I'm a hire a to clean and get that out so he get on.

[A]

If a man had a problem with that, I would have a problem with the man.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Now for me, I'm going to do 100. I'm just an old school man. I'm doing the honey. Even with my two wives. I'm paying everything. You feel me?

[B]

Both houses.

[A]

Take care of the house. Keep that coochie tight.

[B]

Y' all might be.

[A]

Make sure the oxtails are warm. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know what's going on.

[A]

Do you have any advice for any young men? Young black men moving?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Find your purpose before you look for anything else. Don't look for a woman before you have your purpose. Don't look for a career before you have your purpose. Don't look for anything until you know why you are here. Because we were all sent to earth by the Almighty to fulfill an obligation. Once you know who you are and why you here, then you decide on the rest of that. A man has no business getting married until he know what his purpose. We don't spend enough time finding out our purpose. We spend too much time chasing the damn crowd.

[B]

Well, we need you married right away because I think you at the top of the palace with your two queens is going to do so much for our community.

[A]

I agree with you. For Dr. Umar to walk into a room, to walk into a lecture and say, these are my queens, oh, it'd be huge. I think it's going to motivate a lot of other black men to settle down.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think it's going to bring black love back. Not to say I'm the be all and end all, but I recognize my. My influence.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You follow what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I look for that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I have to make sure I don't run into no traps like I just ran into.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You feel me?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I pray for it. I told God, put them in my dream because I don't have enough time to sort y' all out. My problem is I'm too busy. I can't date you and sort you out. I'm too busy. I got my mama, I got the school. I got to travel the world. You feel me? I don't have time to learn Burn. So I need my ancestors to just put them in my mind, okay? If it's Mona and Sukihana, just say that. Caramel and buttercream. Just say that.

[B]

Combo there, boy.

[A]

Just say that and we will get married in the school. Just say that. He like Delaware.

[B]

That's a hell of a combo.

[A]

I. I'm afraid that if it's not put in my vision, because I get dreams, right? My ancestors talk to me a lot through dreams. Not all the time, but enough. I need them to put the faces of the two. If they put them in my dreams tonight, I'll be married by the end of the year. But if I'm expected. See, I have two children, right? And I didn't. No disrespect to the mothers of my children, but I didn't choose women who were best for me, right? And so I'm a little paranoid now, right? Because I don't want to run into this a third time. You got post traumatic relationship disorder.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Post traumatic baby mama trauma. Yes, baby mama trauma. You feel me? So I'm a little too untrusting. You see what I'm saying? So I need the ancestors to help me out. You feel me? Put the face in the damn dream.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And let me solidify this. Because for me to have a school for boys and they don't see me with a regular queen, right? That don't look good. Good. You feel me? So I see the urge. But I can't rush it, right? Because if I rush it, you make a mistake. Boom.

[B]

Y' all write in getting them DMs, getting them emails, send them pictures, say, hey, did your great, great, great, great.

[A]

Great, great grandfather stop sending me wifey resumes with fake hair? Why am I getting wifey resumes with fake hair?

[B]

I knew I should have wore my natural.

[A]

My queen's got it. Got to be 5, 5. Thick in the thighs, all natural, head to toe. Now, five. Five is a metaphor, okay? You can be four, 11. You could be five, 10. That's a metaphor.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

But you must be curvy.

[B]

Okay? That's.

[A]

And they must be natural curves.

[B]

So you can.

[A]

It must be all natural hair. You can't. Oh, I can't do a flat ass. That's a horrible.

[B]

How do you feel about. How do you feel about bbls? Bbls?

[A]

No, no, I want all natural, head to toe.

[B]

You know what? I heard that BBLS lessen the value of the coochie. It makes the coochie corny. I've had male friends tell me that when they have sex with girls with bbls, the coochie drive feel a little off.

[A]

You ever experienced the BBL? Dr. Umar? I'm going to plead the hell of a question.

[B]

That was a hell of a question.

[A]

Felt on the grounds that that might incriminate me. But I'm going tell you what I don't understand about sisters with artificial body parts. If your breasts are hurting you, why did you get them and why do you still have them? If it hurts to sit on your ass six months after your surgery, why did you get it? Why do you still have it? I'm seeing sisters who are literally living in pain from breast and butt surgery. For what?

[B]

You said six months. Give it eight.

[A]

Give it eight. But here's my thing. Fake breasts do nothing for me in the bedroom. They don't move normally, right? You can't touch them because they hurt to the touch. They hard. Your butt cheeks are hard. It don't bounce. You want that smack? You want the smack. If you ain't got the bounce, what good is the scent of box?

[B]

Have you heard about the BBL scent? They say you can smell it. There's a smell that's like a thing there.

[A]

But listen, my queen's gotta be all natural hair. Let me ask you a question. You have a stunningly beautiful face.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Stunningly.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Why don't you wear your natural hair?

[B]

It's just hard to maintain in this weather. I wear it during the winter.

[A]

But it's a real answer. That's the truth.

[B]

No, the truth is my original hairstyle wasn't going to be this.

[A]

How is your original hair? Is it. Is it. Is it fine? Is it coarse? Is it curly?

[B]

It's thick. It's big. I got a big fur.

[A]

Why you don't wear it?

[B]

Because it's hot.

[A]

You would look beautiful in the fro.

[B]

I mean, not in the heat. Why not?

[A]

That's when you're supposed to wear the fro.

[B]

It's uncomfortable. It's hot. We wear braids in the summer.

[A]

Like the European look.

[B]

No, it's definitely not that. I can enjoy a wig, but it's not that. Because I do braids. I do my own curl. My own like. Like wear natural, just wet. But really it's a weather thing for me. Like I wouldn't even wear wigs in the summer. This is just. Dr. Umar was coming and I couldn't get my hair braided.

[A]

So you mean to tell me Dr. Umar was coming and you put on the blonde hair?

[B]

Gary, I fucking told you. That. No, for real.

[A]

You should have won the Afro Puffs, Gary.

[B]

I told you that. That is fucked up. That's fucked up. Gary.

[A]

I would love to see you in.

[B]

Your natural hair next time. I promise.

[A]

She wear it out.

[B]

Damn. Dr. Umar, thank you so much for spending this episode.

[A]

Because if I can't grab it, you can't have it. I'm sorry, say that again.

[B]

You can still grab the wig if it's not down right.

[A]

You cannot touch our hair. You can't grab it. You can't. You can't.

[B]

You can't. Okay, Dr. Umar.

[A]

Parents, quick tips. Number one, don't sign no paperwork from your child's school. You don't understand. Number two, don't go to no school meeting by yourself. Number three, don't get children evaluated less than seven unless it's a speech problem. Number four, stop telling the schools all of your business. Number five, make sure you get a complete copy of your child's academic record every year. Go through the record to make sure there's nothing in there that reflects negatively on your child. If it is, you have a right to get it taken out of the file. It's the Family Educational Rights and Privacy act of 1974. It allows you to get a copy of your child's record and to dispute any paperwork in that record that is inaccurate or negatively affects on your child. If you ever need Dr. Umar's consultation or help. School psychology, clinical psychology, please reach out to me. I'm free and available to the community. 215-989-9858. Do not call me, text me. I don't answer the phone. [phone]. Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy is coming soon. All we got to do is lay down the tile in the schools. And once we lay down the tile in the Marcus Garvey Elementary School, we're going to apply for our certificate of occupancy from the city of Wilmington. And once we obtain that certificate of occupancy from the city Illini and the city fire department, we're going to have a grand opening celebration. And I want all my Wilmington Africans, my Newcastle County Africans, my Sussex County Africans, and my Kent County Africans to come and celebrate with me. And I don't understand why I don't have a Delaware queen yet. I should have been had a Delaware? Yeah.

[B]

You late.

[A]

I was looking for one. It must not be meant for me to have a queen in Delaware. That might be too close for the craziness. Maybe I got to keep her over the border in Chester. Dr. Umar. Dr. Umar. Shout out to my Chester Queens. I love you, Chester. I used to be school psychologist, Chester. I used to do all the early intervention evaluations.

[B]

High school.

[A]

They wanted me to be principal at Chester High School. I turned it down. And the reason I turned down a principalship at Chester High School. This is almost 15 years ago. But the reason I turned down a principalship at Chester High is I told them I gotta choose my own teachers. You're not gonna put me in no snow bunny motel.

[B]

Put the James on the doors.

[A]

Put me in no Snow bunny motel. And then when the test scores don't go up, right, you blame me when your white lazy ass teachers don't teach. I would never be a principal in a public school unless I had the right to choose my own teachers. Because what they do is they blame black principals for the failure of white teachers. That's why this school we opening is independent. All black money, no government funding, no white banks, or none of that. We did it from the gut. We changed choosing our teachers. And if we don't like it, we don't hire it. Black queens forever. Snow bunnies, never.

[B]

I appreciate you, doctor. Thank you so much for coming to this episode. This was huge. We appreciate you so much for giving me your time. Okay.

[A]

Enjoyed it. Yes, mama.

[B]

Love y' all at home. Thank you for helping me do this to all my cousins. I appreciate Dr. Umar.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I appreciate Phelps. I appreciate my whole team. Zach, everybody but my cousins. It could not happen without you. I love you so much, all of y'. All. Vern and Jack and John. Okay.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

Everybody. Thank you. Love y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Love you, cousin. Still love y' all the most. Love y'. All.