Don’t Call Me White Girl – Episode 200 | Don’t Call Me Snow Bunny
Release Date: July 22, 2025
Host: Don’t Call Me White Girl (aka Mona)
Guest: Dr. Umar Johnson
Special Appearance: Phelps
Episode Overview
This milestone 200th episode of “Don’t Call Me White Girl” features the long-anticipated guest, Dr. Umar Johnson—psychologist, Pan-Africanist, and controversial commentator on Black culture and politics. The conversation is candid, unfiltered, occasionally humorous, and at times incendiary. Mona and Dr. Umar traverse a wide range of subjects, including Black identity, colorism, politics, relationships, education, the Black Lives Matter movement, and the complex dynamics of interracial relationships. This episode is as much a celebration of Mona's journey as a podcaster as it is a provocative exploration of some of the most urgent, difficult, and taboo topics in contemporary Black America.
Key Discussion Points & Timestamps
1. Celebrating 200 Episodes & Setting the Scene
[01:54–03:09]
- Mona celebrates her 200th episode with gratitude for her listeners (“cousins”) and introduces her special guest, Dr. Umar Johnson.
- Dr. Umar interprets the number 200 as symbolic of “balance” and a new chapter.
“Two represents balance. One and one. So this 200th podcast is taking you into the other side of your destiny.” —Dr. Umar [03:33]
2. Philadelphia Politics, Racism, & Power
[04:27–07:26]
- Discussion of Philadelphia roots, the recent city workers’ strike, and Black female leadership (Mayor Sherrell Parker).
- Dr. Umar expresses concern about Black politicians being manipulated and set up to fail, especially Black women.
“I really felt that there were powers operating behind her that were manipulating that set of circumstances...” —Dr. Umar [05:12]
- Mona points out Philadelphia’s entrenched racism, referencing the MOVE bombing and police brutality.
3. Israel-Palestine, Black Celebrity Politics & Hypocrisy
[06:30–10:44]
- Mona shares discomfort about Mayor Parker’s public support for Israel.
- Dr. Umar explains the influence of pro-Israeli lobbying (AIPAC) on Black politicians and celebrities.
“Most of our celebrities are under Israeli control... they own the NBA, Hollywood, the music industry.” —Dr. Umar [08:04]
- Critique of Black American inconsistency and silence over Israel—especially after Kamala Harris’ support—versus strong support for Palestine pre-nomination.
“Your principles cannot be conditional. If they're conditional, they're not principles.” —Dr. Umar [09:45]
- Dr. Umar clarifies his position: he doesn’t stand for any group before Black people, listing neglected struggles in Haiti, Congo, Ethiopia, and the Somali community.
4. Black Community, Segregation, and Self-Acceptance
[10:44–12:36]
- Deep dive into the legacy of slavery and ongoing desire for Black people to find acceptance from outside communities.
“How do you build black power if black people don't even want to live next to each other?” —Dr. Umar [11:16]
- Mona asks about the implications of interracial dating (leading into the “snow bunny” theme).
- Dr. Umar argues that any public dating outside the race sets a negative example for Black children:
“The little black girl can see Dr. Umar is more invested in this white woman than he is in a black woman. And that's a problem.” —Dr. Umar [12:13]
5. Mixed Race Identity & Blackness
[12:36–17:30]
- Dr. Umar shares his dating history (never dated white women; mixed-race is acceptable if the person identifies as Black full-time).
- Explains that mixed-race children have historically understood racism on unique terms due to experience in white family spaces.
“A mixed race African, if they're conscious, can understand racism better than you and I because when they go home, they get the real white person...” —Dr. Umar [17:07]
6. Can White People Be in Black Liberation? / BLM & Population Control
[19:02–27:05]
- Dr. Umar firmly claims that white people can't be part of the Black liberation movement, elaborating on FBI and police infiltration of Black movements.
- Discusses the origins of Black Lives Matter, its grassroots roots, then corporatization by “opportunists” and the influence of George Soros.
“He’s a population control junkie ... BLM's job was to hijack leadership ... toward LGBTQ leadership.” —Dr. Umar [23:02] “[BLM] raised millions upon millions of dollars. I never heard about them getting an IRS audit.” —Dr. Umar [24:07]
- Dr. Umar argues that certain social issues within Black communities (e.g. homosexuality) were imported through integration, asserting controversial views on their African origins and discussing the history of eugenics.
7. Racism, Education, and Reform
[28:08–31:19]
- Dr. Umar deconstructs the difference between bigotry and systemic racism:
“A bigot hates you because you black. Racism is business.” —Dr. Umar [29:44]
- Debates whether “teaching white children Black history” can reduce racism and concludes that’s not an effective solution; empowerment comes from teaching Black children.
8. Religion, Spirituality, and Pan-Africanism
[31:31–37:39]
- Reflects on religious experiences in Black Muslim communities, recounting anti-Blackness among other Muslims.
“Black people are the only people who let religion blind them to racism. Nobody else is blind to racism except Negroes.” —Dr. Umar [33:52]
- Proclaims that “being Black is the religion for Black people... I want black power.” [37:31]
9. Mental Health, Schooling, and Therapy
[56:18–68:08]
- Dr. Umar explores the mistrust of White therapists, the shortage of Black mental health providers, and systemic failures in education leading to the over-diagnosis and tracking of Black children into special education.
- Reveals the financial incentives for schools to place children in special education and the role of parents’ consent.
“Special ed is big business. The failure of black children is big business.” —Dr. Umar [67:38]
10. Social Engineering, Drug Epidemics, and Conspiracies
[58:59–62:48]
- Dr. Umar claims the ADD/ADHD diagnosis surge began the same year as the crack epidemic (1980), characterizing it as social engineering.
“We're going to addict all fatherless black boys to a chemical substance.” —Dr. Umar [59:06]
- Further explores the consequences of medicalizing Black children and the history of government-sanctioned experiments against Black people.
11. Conspiracies, History, and Distrust in Institutions
[59:51–64:32]
- Mona expresses concern over being misled by “conspiracy theories,” with Dr. Umar referencing historic government abuses (e.g., COINTELPRO, J. Edgar Hoover’s mixed-race lineage) and questions about the Black community accepting official narratives.
- Dr. Umar: “A conspiracy theory is any truth that's not sanctioned by the government.” [101:09]
12. Black Relationships, Marriage, and Sexual Politics
[93:31–150:12 and interspersed]
- Dr. Umar discusses polygamy, colorism, requirements for his future wives, and the importance of visibility of Black love for the next generation.
“Two queens. Two wives... They cannot be the same complexion.” —Dr. Umar [93:54]
- The conversation turns explicit and comedic, with Dr. Umar’s take on sexual compatibility, relationships, monogamy, cheating, and the importance of not revealing sexual histories.
“Never tell a man when is the last time you've been with another man.” —Dr. Umar [131:20]
- Discussion of sexual double standards, gendered responses to infidelity, and the emotional costs.
13. Parenting, Family Cycles, and Breaking Generational Trauma
[91:32–146:08]
- Mona and Dr. Umar reflect on how to break cycles of criminality, abuse, and low self-awareness in Black families, emphasizing self-awareness as critical.
“The three most important things when it comes to breaking family cycles... is self-awareness.” —Dr. Umar [91:39]
- Advice on not having favorite children to prevent sibling rivalry.
14. Education Activism & Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy
[172:24–175:13]
- Dr. Umar gives practical advice for Black parents navigating schools.
- Promotes the upcoming opening of the Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy in Wilmington, reaffirming its independence from white financial and political influence.
Notable Quotes
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On Black Political Leadership:
“I would hate for her to be made a pawn in someone else’s game.” – Dr. Umar [04:43] -
On Pan-African Focus:
“Don't you ever ask me, as a Pan Africanist, to go and fight for the struggles of another race when my people are still hurting.” – Dr. Umar [10:04] -
On Interracial Relationships:
“If they don't see black love, why would they want it?” – Dr. Umar [12:13] -
On White Allyship:
“No black person has a white friend. You just don’t know it yet till they turn on your ass.” – Dr. Umar [31:22] -
On Anti-Blackness in Religion:
“Black people are the only people who let religion blind them to racism.” – Dr. Umar [33:52] -
On Schools and Special Education:
“Special ed is big business. The failure of black children is big business.” – Dr. Umar [67:38] -
On Polygamy and Colorism:
“They cannot be the same complexion ... If they both dark, they gonna call me a dark-skinned supremacist.” – Dr. Umar [94:05] -
On Cheating and Partnership:
“Don’t leave no good man ‘cuz he got some coochie on his side. Are you crazy?” – Dr. Umar [148:59] “Women cheat because y’all don’t get attention ... Men cheat because we don’t feel appreciated.” – Dr. Umar [138:09] -
On Black Women’s Self-Esteem:
“The prettiest women in our community have the lowest self-esteem...” – Dr. Umar [144:17]
Memorable Moments
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Thunder Strikes
Dr. Umar claims thunder has struck during only three interviews/lectures in his life; it occurs during this recording, which he interprets as a sign from the ancestors. [45:45] -
Mona’s Candidness
Mona openly discusses her criminal record, family cycles of incarceration, experiences of being assaulted by teachers, and approach to motherhood. -
Mona’s Grandmother and Black Heritage
Moving story about Mona’s grandmother teaching her about slavery, Black history, and Kwanzaa, reinforcing the episode’s theme of Black self-love. -
Humorous Sexual Banter
The show’s last hour is laced with sex positivity, frank talk about intimacy, body types, and Dr. Umar’s “requirements”:“If you ain't got no walls, I don't want your draws.” – Dr. Umar [143:13]
Practical Advice (for Listeners)
[172:24–173:57]
- Don’t sign paperwork at school if you don’t understand it.
- Don’t attend school meetings alone.
- Don’t get kids evaluated for special education before age seven, except for speech issues.
- Don’t share all your personal information with schools.
- Request your child’s academic record each year.
The Show’s Tone & Style
Mona’s style is unapologetic, irreverent, and rooted in everyday Black life, blending humor with vulnerability and cultural critique. Dr. Umar brings a confrontational, charismatic energy, peppering his commentary with slogans and pro-Black rhetoric (“Black Queens forever. Snow bunnies never.” [27:05]) and balancing strong opinions with moments of compassion, spiritual reference, and practical advice.
Closing Thoughts
This episode serves as both a celebration of Mona’s platform as a safe space for raw, necessary Black conversation and a vehicle for Dr. Umar’s bold, sometimes contentious, perspectives on Black unity, love, and self-determination. The underlying message, revisited throughout: Black love, Black power, and Black community first—and above all else.
For full, unfiltered context—including many provocative jokes, explicit relationship advice, and more on personal and political conspiracies—listen to the entire episode.