Astrology, Farts, and Mistakes We Made

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Don’t Listen To Us with Mandy Patinkin & Kathryn Grody
Episode: Astrology, Farts, and Mistakes We Made
Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Lemonada Media

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant, multi-generational episode, actors Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody, joined by their son Gideon, tackle real listener questions ranging from childhood mistakes and creativity to how technology has reshaped daily life. The show shifts between humor and candid wisdom, with memorable moments involving a whoopee cushion, a child’s advice question, and a surprise guest segment on astrology with astrologer Isabel Wilder. The tone is warm, authentic, and frequently playful, perfectly capturing the chaos and intimacy of family conversation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family Banter, Farts & Whoopee Cushion (00:21–01:28)

• The episode launches with classic Patinkin-Grody family banter, featuring playful teasing about farts and the introduction of a self-inflating whoopee cushion as a running joke and “punctuation” tool for topics Kathryn doesn’t like.
  • Memorable quote:
    Kathryn (01:10): “I’m going to keep it and I’m going to use it as punctuation for what I don’t like today.”

2. Grandparenting & Driving Anecdotes (01:35–03:02)

• Mandy reflects on being a grandparent and the anxieties that come with caring for grandkids, especially concerns about safety while driving.
  • “I’m nervous about having a heart attack at any moment while they’re in the pool or in the car and I’m gonna drive into like an oil tanker.” — Mandy (02:16)
• The family jokingly debates who among them is the worst driver, revealing their humor and candor about foibles.

3. Listener Question from 4-Year-Old Alex: Childhood Mistakes (03:03–09:01)

• [03:24] Listener Question (Alex, age 4): “Tell me about a choice you made when you were a kid and what did you learn from it?”
  • Mandy’s Response: Shares a story about copying slapstick violence from The Three Stooges, accidentally hurting his sister, and learning the difference between TV and real life.
    • “My parents really, really got upset and they made me realize that real life was not the same as Three Stooges…” — Mandy (04:15)
  • Kathryn’s Story: She recalls mocking a Spanish teacher in high school, getting a bad grade, and missing out on a coveted scholarship, learning the consequences of her behavior and the importance of effort, regardless of how she felt about the class.
    • “I thought I was a pretty special kid… But I just thought because I was so special that I’d get a decent grade. And I didn’t.” — Kathryn (06:08)
  • Both reflect on the idea that adults are really "old kids"—that childlike rules and joy still apply.

4. “The Olden Times” – Life Before Cell Phones (11:12–19:04)

• Prompted by Gideon, the discussion turns to how communication worked before cell phones.

  • Answering Services and Commitment: Kathryn describes relying on answering services and how people honored plans, with less last-minute flakiness.
    • “You made commitments, you made plans. That was the biggest difference. You didn’t have the opportunity…to flake out all the time.” — Kathryn (12:29)
  • Mandy’s Memory: “Twice a day at lunchtime, I would check to see if I had any messages on my machine. I’d press star 33. I remember.” (13:36)
  • “You didn’t jam pack the day full of inconsistency or insecurity, thinking maybe something better is going to happen.” — Kathryn (13:58)
  • Both reminisce about spontaneous street encounters and the slower, more human pace of life.

• Memorable Advice:

  • “My favorite thing about time and people in appointments. I went to an audition once with Chris Walken...He said, ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here!’ And we left. And it was one of the greatest things I ever did.” — Mandy (19:11)

5. Listener Question (Sarah): Artistic Creativity and Storytelling (20:29–28:48)

• Sarah’s Email: An art teacher and illustrator struggling to find her own narrative for a book asks for advice on storytelling.
  • Kathryn’s Advice: Think of storytelling as “pearls on a string”—start with the visual impulse, create many illustrations inspired by nature, and let the story emerge organically rather than forcing a linear narrative.
    • “I wouldn’t worry about the beginning, the middle and an end… Just make up those different visuals.” — Kathryn (23:07)
  • Gideon’s Insight: Emphasizes that sparking a child's imagination is itself a valuable response to “the times.”
    • "Anything that encourages a child's imagination, problem solving… is helping." — Gideon (23:56)
  • Mandy’s Comfort Zone: Describes lack of comfort in new formats (like podcasting), feeling like he’s “walking a tightrope,” but feels most alive singing on stage and telling stories through song choices that speak to him.
  • Kathryn’s Comfort Zone: Loves live theater but finds TV/film less intuitive, laughing about her confusion around filming multiple takes.

6. Special Guest: Isabel Wilder and Astrology (29:08–42:16)

• Introduction & Skepticism: Isabel Wilder, a professional astrologer, joins, sparking a discussion about skepticism, openness to new forms of self-understanding, and the role of astrology across cultures and centuries.
  • “There’s so many ways...we are trying to make ourselves better human beings and understand this crazy planet we’re on." — Kathryn (31:47)
  • Isabel dismantles astrology “sun sign” stereotypes, explaining its nuanced approach and ancient roots (Mesopotamians, Greeks).
    • "It’s generations of people who’ve paid attention to the patterns of human behavior as they relate to celestial movement." — Isabel (38:46)
  • Venus in the Birth Chart Game: Isabel guides the family through a playful reveal of which parent’s Venus was in Capricorn vs. Sagittarius—a small demonstration of astrological interpretation.
    • "Venus in Sagittarius is...philosophizing...Venus can roam... [In] Capricorn, there’s more of a sense of stability…." — Isabel (36:16)
  • Kathryn expresses past bias, but also a transformative experience with astrology that left her open-minded.
  • Family jokes about their pet’s astrological sign; Isabel is quick to clarify the real meaning behind different signs and encourages not reducing people to “nice” or “not nice” based on their chart.
  • Isabel’s business, Fifth House Pottery, is mentioned as a way for listeners to connect.

7. Invitation to Kids and Listeners (42:35–43:21)

• Gideon invites children everywhere to submit questions, songs, and advice (“kid song hour”) to the show.
  • “If you’ve written a song, please just sing it in a voice memo and send it to us. We’d love to hear that inspiration.” — Gideon (43:02)
  • Mandy proposes making a children’s album with submissions to benefit charity.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• "I’m going to keep it [the whoopee cushion] and I’m going to use it as punctuation for what I don’t like today." — Kathryn Grody (01:10)
• "Adults are just old kids." — Mandy Patinkin (08:08)
• "You made commitments, you made plans... You didn’t have the opportunity…to flake out all the time." — Kathryn Grody (12:29)
• "My favorite thing about time and people in appointments…Chris Walken…said, ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here!’" — Mandy Patinkin (19:11)
• "I wouldn’t worry about the beginning, the middle and an end… Just make up those different visuals." — Kathryn Grody (23:07)
• "Anything that encourages a child's imagination, problem solving… is helping." — Gideon Grody Patinkin (23:56)
• "It’s generations of people who’ve paid attention to the patterns of human behavior as they relate to celestial movement." — Isabel Wilder (38:46)
• “If you’ve written a song, please just sing it in a voice memo and send it to us. We’d love to hear that inspiration.” — Gideon Grody Patinkin (43:02)

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Major Timestamps

• 00:21 – Whoopee cushion & farty humor
• 03:03 – Listener Alex (4): Childhood mistakes & lessons
• 11:12 – "Olden Times" tech talk: Pre-cell phone social life
• 20:29 – Listener Sarah: Artistic storytelling and creativity
• 29:08 – Isabel Wilder joins for astrology segment
• 34:54 – Astrology's origins and deeper meanings
• 42:35 – Invitation to children: Questions & songs

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Conclusion

This episode beautifully blends childish play (farts and whoopee cushions), deep introspection (childhood mistakes, creativity struggles), nostalgia (life before digital tech), and curiosity about the mysterious (astrology). Beneath all the laughter is practical, lived-in advice and warm encouragement for listeners to embrace imperfection and ask big questions at any age. Especially memorable is the family’s ongoing commitment to honest storytelling, encouraging listeners—of all generations—to connect, wonder, and never quite grow up.

Transcript

[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

Lemonad. Honey, can you get up for a second? Do you have your phone there? Oh, no, that's. All right, fine. Let me just have this for one second.

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay.

[Isabel Wilder]

All right.

[Kathryn Grody]

We'll talk about that kid. Because I'm available.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I mean, what was that?

[Kathryn Grody]

Mom stupidness.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What?

[Kathryn Grody]

Giddy baby stupid fartiness. What just right there was that?

[Mandy Patinkin]

You knew it was not me, it was mom who farted.

[Kathryn Grody]

No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What's under your butt?

[Kathryn Grody]

That. Oh my God. It's so sad.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I think anytime you feel like it, you should just. It's a self inflating whoopee cushion.

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay. I'm going to keep it and I'm going to use it as punctuation for what I don't like today.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay?

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So anytime you don't like something, you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So you have to stand up a little bit.

[Kathryn Grody]

It just sounds like just really tearing.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Off a piece of tape. How are you guys doing?

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm okay. How are you doing today?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm fine.

[Kathryn Grody]

This is the Friday, Saturday. It's really, really bad reading day.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Really good.

[Kathryn Grody]

Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, how am I supposed to. I'm fine.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh. Oh. I'm.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, saucy. I'm so grateful.

[Kathryn Grody]

This is our fifth day. Fifth day of experiencing full time child care. Or almost full time. Not quite.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How do you feel going out? Just as solo grandpa with. With the kids. Is that fun or are you nervous?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, I do it all the time. I love it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But you do it sometimes.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What are you. What are you talking about? Sometimes. That makes like what I just said not true.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, you. Oh, I thought you were joking. You do it all the time. Do you love it? I know when they were younger you were nervous, but it had been a while since you were with little kids.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I'm nervous about having a heart attack at any moment while they're in the pool or in the car and I'm gonna drive into like an oil tanker.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Does it make you a better driver when they're in the car?

[Kathryn Grody]

Nothing makes him a better driver. I'm sorry. This really time to take away the friggin kiss.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And you're a great driver.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, mom, you are so bad.

[Kathryn Grody]

No, wait a minute, guys. She's bad.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Thank you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You guys are tied for gold. Med and shitty driving.

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm sorry, I'm a good driver. You are not. You either.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What constitutes a good driver?

[Kathryn Grody]

Somebody that pays attention to a sign that says stop or a red light.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, there's that. You can't do that all the time. That's not how I'm gonna die.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Grandkids in the car is a great way to practice even extra, extra driving.

[Kathryn Grody]

I couldn't agree more.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Speaking of kids, we've got our first listener question today.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Three year old.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's from one of our youngest listeners.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Do we put on our earphones?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes, we want to put on your headphones there.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Okay.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And we are going to hear. Oh yeah, she's already had them from the beginning. We're going to hear from four year old Alex.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, great.

[Kathryn Grody]

Tell me about choice you made when.

[Isabel Wilder]

You were a kid and what did.

[Kathryn Grody]

You learn from it?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Bad choice when I was a kid and what did I learn from it? Great question. Wow. Wow.

[Kathryn Grody]

Amazing question.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You can take your headphones out if you like. I love that question, Alex. Bad choice when I was a kid. I tell you one, I'll tell you a great one. My favorite TV show when I was a kid was After School. Andy, his name was. Andy was an old guy, he was really young, but he had old hair, old makeup, you know, pretended to be old. And he would show the Three Stooges cereals. They were about 10, 15 minute, sometimes 20 minute long, little tiny movies. And they'd be after school and I loved them and they would do funny things. You have to watch it to see it. Your mom and dad might not let you, but they would, they would do things when they'd hit each other in fun play way or. And fall off things. And it was called slapstick comedy, but it was very funny. And so they would like hit each other with a frying pan and then they put in a big noise to make it sound like a big noise. Anyway, one day my sister got me angry and I did to her what the Three Stooges did to each other. And I think I hit her with something. And my parents, I don't think it was a frying pan, but it was something. And my parents really, really got upset and they made me upset and they made me realize that real life was not the same as Three Stooges and a pretend show where people are pretending to be silly and be clowns and that you can't do those things in real life. Sometimes like you see in the movies, that's pretend and make believe. How did your and I learned that, and I didn't do it anymore.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. How did your sister respond?

[Mandy Patinkin]

She stopped talking to me. When? When she was.

[Kathryn Grody]

For the rest of her life.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I kept it up forever. Yeah. But I also just. And I didn't want to. And my punishment, the best. Couldn't watch it because I couldn't watch the Three Stooges. If I did something bad, my mom and dad would take away my privileges to watch the Three Stooges.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Did they let you watch it after you?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yes, because they made it. It taught me that that was pretend.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And that was special. People that learn how to do things and not hurt each other do silly things and it's only pretend. It's like hitting somebody with a feather.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

So it doesn't hurt.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's a good one.

[Kathryn Grody]

This is scary, Alex. I'm trying to think of something I did.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A bad choice you made was a bad choice I made when you were a kid. And what did you learn from it?

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay, I must admit, Alex, I was sort of an old kid. I was a teenager. I was in high school, and I thought I was a pretty special kid. I didn't like my Spanish class, and I didn't work hard in it. And I made fun of the teacher in the class, and I didn't study. But I just thought because I was so special that I'd get a decent grade. And I didn't. I got a bad grade. And how did you make fun of the teacher? Because I made. I walked around. I imitated how he was walking behind his back. I made fun of him. And somehow I still thought I'd get a decent grade. And when I got a very bad grade, it ruined my chances to go to the college I wanted to. I tried to have my dad talk to the teacher about my behavior. And if there was any way I could make up for it, and there wasn't. And the consequence of that for me, I learned that it doesn't matter if you like a class or don't like a class if you're in it. You have to do the best you can. And you can't expect to just get what you want for not working very hard.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I never heard that about college and the grade. But I imagine that you were making fun of the teacher because you were getting a pretty good response from your fellow classmates. That is too stage.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes, I was performing in my Spanish class.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

This was your first role?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Kathryn Gordy, One Woman show. Look at how dumb this is.

[Kathryn Grody]

But it prevented me from being a nephibian, which everybody expected me to be because I get that's a special student that gets really good grades and does great service. And it was big on applications and it prevented it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It's like a student that can swim on land and water.

[Kathryn Grody]

I was so ashamed that I. That I didn't get that because of that bad grade that I walked four miles home from my class.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I want to tell Alex something. When you said something about an old kid or something. You know, Alex, we are old kids. People say that we're grown ups because of how old we are. I am not a grown up, Alex. I am an old kid and I love being an old kid. I know some rules. I've learned a few along the road, but I like the kid rules better. And kid rules are good because they make you be safe. They make you not do dangerous things.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Don't hit your sister with a frying pan.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Don't hit your sister with a frying pan. Don't go where it's dangerous. Don't touch fire, you know, don't go without mommy and daddy to important places. But I love being a kid and I'm going to be a kid my whole life.

[Kathryn Grody]

All right, thank you, Alex. That's such an amazing question for somebody. 4. I can't wait to talk to you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

When you're 8 or 5 or 5.

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[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Guys, now, I wanted to do a little thing called the Olden Times. And I wanted to ask if you could tell me a little bit about the olden times before cell phones, before text and WhatsApp. Like, I'm curious, were you. Were you making phone calls all the time, or did we just need to be in touch less back then? I remember, like the phone and the long cord being a big part of childhood. But did you have certain times of day that you made all your phone calls? Did you find yourself running to the phone?

[Mandy Patinkin]

How did that work?

[Kathryn Grody]

Well, as an actor, you had answering services, right? So you would. That were actual real people. You know, people would call and leave a message with the real people. And you'd call in from wherever you were on a payphone.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And a real person would.

[Kathryn Grody]

And a real person would say, hi. And I'd say, any messages today? Am I supposed to show up anywhere?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, my God.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I never had that.

[Kathryn Grody]

You never had.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm serious.

[Kathryn Grody]

Really?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I had an answering machine.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, you had an answering machine. Well, that's the difference in six years.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And was that like a big, cool techno.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Not only was it cool, have you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Been to Mandy's place? He has an answering machine.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, I don't know, but it was a cassette tape. And I have the tapes of when you guys were born, you and Isaac, and people calling and what they had to say.

[Kathryn Grody]

Anyway, I think you made commitments, you made plans. That was the biggest difference. You didn't have the opportunity or the viability. What is the word? Flake out all the time to always change and never be. I remember when cell phones came and somebody asked you if you want to do something Friday night, and you thought about it and said, yes. And then they said, oh, I'll call you, I'll text you. And. And you said, you can't do that with me. I don't have a cell phone. Because you were the last person not to have a cell phone. You said, and you call them commitment wreckers. And I thought that really stuck.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, Gideon. Hated the change of plans. Hated.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I still do struggle with that, but. So when you'd make a plan for Friday night on Tuesday, there's no way of changing it. You'd see you here at 7pm on Friday, and then you just fucking do that. Check in on Thursday and then Friday.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Because the person you make the plan with doesn't know that you changed your mind.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I know.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Isn't that because I did. Twice a day at lunchtime, I would check to see if I had any messages on my machine. I'd press star 33. I remember.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Wow.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That was my code. Star 33. No, I'm sorry. Number sign 33. And then I checked it when I got home. So if I had a plan with you for dinner at 6 o', clock, I didn't check it till after dinner. Meaning if you canceled on me, I. I didn't get that message till after dinner. I didn't call it to assume that you might have canceled. Right.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Because people just showed up when they.

[Kathryn Grody]

Said they showed up when they said they'd show up. And you didn't jam pack the day full of inconsistency or insecurity, thinking maybe something better is going to happen. Maybe that whole foma fear of missing out, whatever. You didn't have that because you were looking forward to what was going to happen. Or here's something. In my olden day, I'd run into somebody. I'd run into somebody, you know, and.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Then hang out right there.

[Kathryn Grody]

And hang out right there, you know.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What are you doing?

[Kathryn Grody]

You want to get a cup of coffee?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I remember when I was a kid, you'd be like, I ran into Suze and we went for a walk for four hours.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, I. I missed that. I missed that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You hated running into the.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I would take walks without her. I would leave her and just. She'd be talking to people. She wouldn't even know where I was.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Would you not run into people that you knew on the street and have the same.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, I would. Like many times you just say, hey, many times. Not. And then I knew that there's no telling how long this is gonna go. I'm going on with my life.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And I left.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And she never even. You know, she never. She's just constantly meeting people.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What was it like booking a plane ticket? How did you do that?

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, my God, do I even remember how to do that? I remember it was. Well, when I was in college, my dad would do it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You called the airline.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You called and you looked the airline's phone number up in the phone book.

[Kathryn Grody]

You looked?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, when I met her, I was late to have an early dinner at an Indian restaurant with her and her dear friend Diane Keaton, who I'd never met, but I certainly.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes, you had met her on YouTube.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'd already met her. Okay. Got that one wrong, I guess. How do you like that? Anyway, I. I was late because I spent over two hours on the phone, I believe, with United airlines, to save $1 over their horseshit rules about how I had to do this and what this was gonna cost. I was so infuriated, I would not get off the phone till I got a supervisor and I got it done the right way. And I believe I saved a dollar.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Which back then is, like, worth, you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Know, a dollar and a quarter.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, yeah, but let me tell you. But the whole.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Or maybe 70 cents, what was really different?

[Kathryn Grody]

The whole sense of time. Because even a rotary phone, right. Your generation right now, you know, would look at a rotary phone with it going around and coming back and around and going back as like, oh, my God, it's so long. We didn't think about that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hey, listen to this.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I think.

[Kathryn Grody]

You think that sounds.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

This is Mandy working on his home.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Working on my robotics.

[Kathryn Grody]

I mean, I think the value of time and the speed of time was much more human and much slower because you didn't pack in all sorts of. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe we'll change. We'll switch.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And you're speaking fortunately.

[Mandy Patinkin]

So why don't you leave your phone?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You're the number one packer inner of things, and you were maybe a pioneer packer in it before there was a cell phone.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why don't you leave your phone at home and if you. So annoying.

[Kathryn Grody]

No, I left my home, my. My phone at home alone last night.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And almost a good title for a movie.

[Kathryn Grody]

And I was so nervous at first. I thought I'd go back, but I'd be so late. It felt great, because what it meant to me is I'm just not assuming there's an emergency. I'm not available. I'm with my friends Bobby and Beverly. I'm having a real conversation.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, and you're not looking at your phone to show them a podcast or a picture of this or this or.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Interact with memory so many times having a conversation, you're like. You're like, oh, did I tell you about something? Let me find it. And I'm just like, describe it to me. Like, I can't remember the whole thing. I'm like, describe the feelings that left you.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, so basically olden times. Like, everybody that lived in them, they thought those times were better. But I actually think with this technology, it's really fucking.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Is the lyric in the song everything old is new again, or is it everything new? Is everything old is new again?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I don't know that song. I think that's the word.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I don't know. It's some old song. Everything old is new again. Think of some song.

[Kathryn Grody]

You know what it was. Also, you practiced relationships with strangers in a warm way. I had a relationship with my answering service people. They would ask, like, how did the audition go?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, wow.

[Kathryn Grody]

And I'd say, oh, I think I blew it. That's all right. They'd say, there'll be another one.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, wow.

[Kathryn Grody]

You know, there was this.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You know what? If anyone out there ever had the job of being an answering service technician, we would love to hear from you and hear what that experience was like. That is.

[Kathryn Grody]

It's a whole profession gone. And a lot of them were actors out of work actors that were, you know, subbing and doing that. So they were very sympathetic to the whole audition. And how did it go?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. Did you find that you would got. That you would get stood up more often back then because somebody was late?

[Kathryn Grody]

No, never. People kept the plan, Never keep up plan. You knew if they didn't, something horrible, horrible it happened.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Because even though we can tell each other that we're running late or something, people get stood up more now because people are managing too much.

[Kathryn Grody]

They're managing too much. They're packing too much in, and they. They have an unrealistic sense of time, of what you can feel.

[Mandy Patinkin]

My favorite thing about time and people in appointments. I went to an audition once with Chris Walken. He was a big star. I was nobody. And it was just the two of us waiting in this little tiny room, and the people weren't there. Was nobody there to meet us. There was nobody there to greet us. And he said, let's get the fuck out of here. I said, what do you mean? Talk about, this is a big job. He said, let's fuck them. Let's get the fuck out of here. And I went, yeah, let's get the.

[Isabel Wilder]

Fuck out of here.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And we left. And it was one of the greatest things I ever did.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Did you guys go get a sandwich or something?

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no, no. We just left together.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And that was the best advice Chris Walken ever gave you. Let's get the fuck out of here.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, Chris Walken was a great Guy, we're at another event for Sidney Lumet and he was at the table with mom and me and Paul Newman was at the table. And he could see Paul was a little antsy and he realized that Paul needed a six pack. And so he talked to one of the waiters. He said, if I give you like this amount of money, can you go out and get a six pack for Paul?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Of what?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Beer? Yeah, beer. A six pack. Paul Newman can get a six pack of stomach overnight. What are we talking about in an hour? So, yeah, so the guy goes out and gets Paul Newman a six pack of beer. And then Paul and Chris are literally holding the beer cans under the table. It is fancy event.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Our next question. Here is an email from Sarah and wondering, dad, if you could read her email.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Sarah wrote. Dear Mandy, Catherine and Gideon, I am an art teacher where I teach 5th through 12th grade. I am also an artist when I have time. But as you can imagine, a lot of my creative forces go into teaching younger people. Around eight years ago, I was lucky enough to be hired to illustrate my first and then second children's book. @ the time, it was helpful having to work within the parameters given by the publisher. However, after completing the second book, I have dreamed of having the third opportunity where I have full artistic freedom. I hear you, Sarah. I am not a writer and am rather someone who relates to things more in pictures than in words. I love you, Sarah. I often have strong images that appear to me especially through nature, but I have never been able to piece them together into a meaningful storyline. As people whose creativity is expressed through the word writing or storytelling, what advice could you give me to help me find my own story and how to bring it all together? I hope to find a story that meets the needs of our time. Thank you for all the good work that you do. Wow. I love this most important thing you just said. What is your story? Who are you? What do you need to say? I think that's the goal. I am not a writer. Katherine is a writer. Katherine knows storytelling, which is also called the narrative. I am good at being the mailman. I deliver the mail from wonderful writers who either tell stories in pictures or in music or in words. And that's what I enjoy doing and that's how I like telling stories. But Kathryn knows how to do it with the word and the structure. She's really good at it.

[Kathryn Grody]

But Sarah, I want to say something. There's all different kinds of ways of telling stories. Not one story is alike. And I know that structure versus what my Husband says is really hard for me. And a friend once said something so important, it's just think of it as pearls on a string. I wouldn't worry about the beginning, the middle, and an end. You have this impulse. You've already done two books, which is incredible. So I think you just illustrated.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But this is our first time writing a story.

[Kathryn Grody]

But you have images in nature that you say you want to do, right? Yeah, especially through nature. Whatever you see in nature, paint that. I would just go illustration by illustration and see whatever speaks to your heart that makes you glad or that makes you concerned. And then when you have 20 illustrations.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You mean like write the story from the medium she's used to doing the illustrations?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. Don't worry about the words. I just saw. I just read a great book to my grandson called the Book with no Words. So I think your gift is visual. Start with the visual and just make up all those different visuals. Gid, what do you think?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I think. I think a good thing to remember is that speaking to this time can be so many things. It doesn't have to be on the nose. I would say anything that encourages a child's imagination, problem solving, thinking outside the box is helping. Giving the next generation tools to get us out of all the shit storms. I mean, that's what we lack is imagination. We lack creativity. That's why we're in these same power structures that just repeat the same mistakes, because adults are bad at inventing new things and we're stuck. So I think anything that has a sense of creativity and imagination is for these times.

[Kathryn Grody]

I just had this image of you writing part of an illustration and even asking the kid that's reading it what he thinks would be next in that picture. Would it be. And giving him options or giving him choices, and then you coming up with that. There's so many things you should do. I just think you should throw away your worry about the words and just go with your visual gift.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And what about you guys as creatives? I mean, you've gotten comfortable in certain formats or used to certain formats, and then you're challenged to do another format. And how has that experience for you been shifting into new medium or trying something that has been nearby to you but different?

[Kathryn Grody]

This. Right.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Doing a podcast, the thing we're doing right this second. And I don't feel I'm not in my comfort zone yet by any means, and I don't know what that comfort zone is. So I'm walking a tightrope high up with no net.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Where do you feel you're in your comfort zone.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I don't think I've had that experience yet.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What's closest for you?

[Kathryn Grody]

Singing.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Singing? Yeah, singing. Live concert stage, without the structure of a play. Meaning? I take the songs that people wrote for other reasons, either pop songs or songs from shows that were part of the narrative. And I take them because I just like the lyrics for the way they speak to me in a universal sense, not about the story that they were originally written for. Those are the ones I choose. And some of them are just pop songs that, you know, great writers write, but they're all story songs that I like to do, and I like to just put them together in my own. Not literal. Literal line for my concert, but a figurative journey that I don't talk about. I don't say what I'm doing that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Means what it means to you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I just let the words of the song take us and then that leads us into the next one. Or says, like, change the pace and let's do a silly one or a meaningful one or. And that's my way of writing.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And that's your most comfortable creative zone?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Without a doubt. Yeah. Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And what about you, Ma?

[Kathryn Grody]

I love doing live theater. I mean, I've tried. I did a couple of short films the last year. One of them I had a great experience with. One of them I had less so, but. And I love doing our pilot, even though, you know, I never understand why you repeat a scene a million times. Because.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, yeah, that was hilarious. You couldn't wrap your head around getting coverage.

[Kathryn Grody]

No. And we kept forgetting. I forgot that I was connected to Euron Ewan's ears. So we'd finish a scene and then they. Okay, set it up again. I'd go, why are we doing this again? And then you'd come marching over and say it was the boom or it was the sound.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

No, no, it's not that. There's a problem with the shot. You need coverage.

[Kathryn Grody]

You need different angles. Yeah, that's right, the different angles.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But you also had your husband, TV star who could explain.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes, he did explain it to me. Anyway, so those.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The pilot is we. Me and collaborator, dear friend of mine and the family, Ewan Wright. We made television pilot for a show we wrote called Seasoned, starring my parents, where they're playing fictionalized versions of themselves. And we filmed a pilot in New York City over five nights.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. Throughout 4:30 in the afternoon till 6 in the morning. 95 degree weather.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I'll never do that to my parents.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I love that process. We went through on season. Because. And that's why, for me, that's the part of television I love. Because you do so much in so little time. You do a movie, they'll have you literally walk out the door, open your car door, get in, and cut. That's the whole day's work.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's your day.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's your day.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And then another 14 hours waiting.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And that's like a quarter of a page in TV. You'll do 20, 30 pages a day sometimes. No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It did feel like an athletic sport. It was quite an experience.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Makes you young.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Sarah, thanks so much for writing to us. Please let us know what you write and what this next book is so that we can read it to our grandkids and niece and nephew or ourselves.

[Kathryn Grody]

And congratulations for doing the book you did have. And just put that handwriting and painting on the page.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's exciting. Mom, dad, we have a special guest for you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, who's this person?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A friend of the podcast from 5th House Pottery, Isabel Wilder.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hi. Isabelle. Sit down.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, right there. Mom, dad. You knew?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yes.

[Isabel Wilder]

Oh, nice. You know what's funny is. That's from my mom.

[Narrator/Announcer]

What?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, the whooping cushion.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Did you just put a whoopee cushion under Isabelle?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yes, but it was just a little tiny one.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A little tiny one. It's a. Can you show that actually to the camera? This whoopee cushion is an incredible technology. It's a self inflating whoopee cushion.

[Kathryn Grody]

Wow.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay, so Isabel is joining us today to talk about our first live guest. This is. This is a monumental moment at. Don't listen to us. We're bringing in our first live person to also not listen to. And, Isabel, what are we talking about today?

[Isabel Wilder]

We're going to talk about astrology a little bit today, but let me preface this by saying we're not giving away anything private. We're not doing anything predictive. So we're not looking into the future. We're not giving away your secrets.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why are you looking at me?

[Isabel Wilder]

In case you were concerned about that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Because what you've said, you don't like the future telling things?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, when I met mom 47 years ago, you had somebody do a chart of me or something, and I didn't want it.

[Kathryn Grody]

No, honey, My friend Marty Gold, who's no longer with us, did a chart on Isaac and she recorded it and I have it somewhere hidden around.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no, no.

[Kathryn Grody]

And you didn't want it. You were freaked out by what you thought was predicting who this person was.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no. There was a possibility. Forgive me, but this is where we remember things differently. I've never experienced that before with you, but look at that, how extraordinary it is. But nonetheless, it was the possibility of this person who did charts to do one for me. And I do viscerally remember I did not want to be told what was.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Going to happen to you. Yeah, great.

[Isabel Wilder]

So we're not going to do that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Isabelle, before we continue, can you just share with our listeners why we are talking to you about this?

[Isabel Wilder]

Oh, sure. I am an astrologer.

[Mandy Patinkin]

There you go.

[Isabel Wilder]

Amongst other things.

[Mandy Patinkin]

There you go.

[Isabel Wilder]

Okay.

[Kathryn Grody]

And I must admit, when I met Isabel and this was a relatively new occupation, I mean, within the last some years. Right?

[Isabel Wilder]

Within the last five years.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, I did that horrible sort of. Yeah, astrologer. Because I had biases about astrology.

[Isabel Wilder]

And so did I. Which I would love to say.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes, yes. That's what sort of calmed me down. And I just find there's so many things we don't understand. There's so many ways through religion, through astrology, through psychiatry, that we are trying to make ourselves better human beings and understand this crazy planet we're on in the universe and all the things we don't understand. I am now open to anything that helps me understand it, as long as it's not exclusive, you know, as long as astrology doesn't knock out Buddhism or whatever. And also.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Or fuck me up also.

[Kathryn Grody]

I have had an experience. I had a very profound experience about 10 years ago.

[Isabel Wilder]

Yes, I know.

[Kathryn Grody]

With an astrologer that made me think there might be something to it. Even though it's so hard for me to understand the planets and their signs and the stars and the biases, the generalities of things. Like if I say, oh, my birthday's in November, they say, oh, you're a Scorpio, I don't know. And it's a scorpion sign. That means I'm a bad person. I don't want to be a bad person.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What would you say to that? Sort of simple.

[Isabel Wilder]

Well, that's unfortunate. I mean, that came out of like a newspaper blurb understanding of astrology by just distilling everything down to someone's sun sign and then writing kind of, you know, dramatic or juicy blurbs that would keep people interested in buying the paper every week. So that's not really how astrology works. All the signs and the planets are on a spectrum and they have places in which they're skilled and places in which they're more challenged. And so every sign has some things that may be challenging for folks to deal with. Or live inside of. And every sign has their strengths and their gifts. And you learn how to kind of, you know, assimilate all of those qualities of your sign over time. I mean, it's what we're all doing, just as human people in the world, learning to live with our strengths and our weaknesses.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Explain it.

[Kathryn Grody]

So that just gives you insight.

[Isabel Wilder]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Grody]

That you might not have had into your.

[Isabel Wilder]

It's like a system of tools.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Tell us about those tools.

[Isabel Wilder]

So the 1 of 12 constellations the sun appears to pass through is a very simple way of describing a sign. They're each named after a mythological figure or an animal. Like, not a rabbit, but a crab, say.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Isabel Wilder]

Which is cancer.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Do you know what sign I am, dad?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, you're Cancer.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I don't.

[Kathryn Grody]

This is cancer. Both boys are cancers. Both boys are cancers, which I've always attributed to mean home loving, you know, domestic, sort of warm, caretaking people.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's what cancer means. Domestic, warm, caretaking people. Why did they call it. Why did they name a disease after.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Isabel Wilder]

I don't know. I am not a doctor.

[Kathryn Grody]

What was the origin of astrology? Was it with the Greeks?

[Isabel Wilder]

Mesopotamians. So about 5,000 years ago, it was originated with the Mesopotamians, spread to India, moved on into Greek civilization, where it was sort of developed into the way we understand it in its western form today. Do you know there were maps of the stars before there were maps of Earth?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I did not know I would believe that because that's what people could see.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, right.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, right.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Isabel Wilder]

Okay, so do you want to play a little game?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes, we love games.

[Isabel Wilder]

All right. So today, Venus went into cancer. So I thought we would do something about Venus. Venus is the planet of love and relationships and social cohesion. And also speaks to the way.

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm already nervous. I'm just so nervous.

[Isabel Wilder]

To the way we're creative in the world.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What did you just write down, Ma?

[Isabel Wilder]

She wrote love. Isn't that so sweet?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Don't forget.

[Kathryn Grody]

Don't forget that.

[Isabel Wilder]

Okay, so when one of you was born, Venus was in Capricorn on that day. And for the other, Venus happened to be in Sagittarius, so which I know is a sun sign here for someone, but that. That's a separate issue. So Venus was in Capricorn, and Venus was in Sagittarius.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Isabelle, hear it? Don't listen to us. We try not to tap the table.

[Kathryn Grody]

Great.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You can tap the blank. You can tap the blank. That's what the blank is for.

[Isabel Wilder]

Nice hack.

[Kathryn Grody]

And we have to guess which of us had Venus in either Sagittarius or Capricorn on the day we were born.

[Isabel Wilder]

Right. Okay, so. So Venus in Sagittarius is very interested in philosophizing. It's attracted to people who are full of life and love to be out in the world, engaging with multiple things. Venus can roam a little bit more in Sagittarius and feel a little less grounded in Capricorn. There's more of a sense of stability, long term kind of ideas around commitment and steadiness. It's attracted more to a steadiness. While Sagittarius can feel a little more chaotic or all over the place. Capricorn can be a bit of a loner at times, needs time alone, can commit to an artistry or a creative practice that stays very much the same same over time.

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay, I would say Mandy's Venus was in Capricorn and mine was in Sagittarius.

[Isabel Wilder]

What do you think, Mandy?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, I'm Sagittarius.

[Isabel Wilder]

I know, but don't worry about that. Just the Venus description, I liked it better.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I like the Venus Sagittarius description, but I'll take it better. I'll buy two of those.

[Isabel Wilder]

Interesting. Catherine is absolutely correct. The day Mandy was born, Venus was in Capricorn. So you are a Sagittarius. So you have lots of Sagittarian qualities. The day that you were born, Venus was in Sagittarius.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Wow. I wasn't listening. After I heard Venus in Sagittarius, I just went, okay. That's when I was listening to. I didn't listen too much to the Venus Capricorn. So I missed what I am.

[Isabel Wilder]

Well, we can talk about it again another time.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That was great.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'll have to listen to the podcast.

[Isabel Wilder]

That your Venus is in the sign that is your husband.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, that's good.

[Kathryn Grody]

So I've been afraid to have our charts sort of paired because I think after 47 years somebody will go, oh, this is really.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I did have a question while I was listening to you. Explain that. Yeah, says who?

[Isabel Wilder]

Yeah, that's a great question too. Well, we can go back 5,000 years and start to tease that.

[Kathryn Grody]

Says who? Moses man. Says who? Jesus says it's.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, but.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But it was Jesus the first.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Just give me 1000 years or however many thousands of years.

[Isabel Wilder]

I think that it's been a study of patterns over time. So there's not one person who said, this is why this placement behaves this way. It's generations of people who've paid attention to the Patterns of human behavior as they relate to celestial movement. And so over time, they notice that things repeated and showed up again and again and again and again. And so over thousands of years, they.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And the stars were the big show of the day.

[Isabel Wilder]

They were the big show of the day. The sky was very dark and you could see.

[Kathryn Grody]

And now that's part of the problem with too much light everywhere. We are losing our connection not only with other things in nature, but the sky. We never see it, so we don't know that it's speaking to us in these different ways. I know.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. Is it? Do we know Becky's sign?

[Isabel Wilder]

Well, do you?

[Mandy Patinkin]

February 9, 2019.

[Kathryn Grody]

That's where they think she was born, man. Not really.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, that's the. I believe is the date when the rescue people took her to the vet.

[Kathryn Grody]

Right. But she was six months.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's the date they gave him that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Six months. Six months before February 19th.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Isabel Wilder]

Six months before February 19th.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's the date she was brought to the vet.

[Isabel Wilder]

She's an Aquarius or a Pisces.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, she's definitely a Pisces.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And what. What would you say? Yeah, what do you think that means about her personality?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Is that like, with peanut butter inside? That's pieces.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's species pieces.

[Kathryn Grody]

I know that. Like, I know that I have either a Pisces moon or a Virgo moon or Pisces rising in a Virgo moon. And I know I'm Scorpio.

[Mandy Patinkin]

We've narrowed that down quite brilliantly.

[Kathryn Grody]

All I know is there are certain signs. I have an intuitive thing of, oh, that's a nice side, as opposed to not a nice side.

[Isabel Wilder]

But again, every sign has good and bad.

[Kathryn Grody]

Right. I know it's stupid, but that's the sort of, you know, dumbed down version of this very complex point of view and philosophy and way of looking at things that gets filtered down to popular culture as kind of, oh, my God, you're a Scorpio.

[Isabel Wilder]

You know, Scorpios are fantastic.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, thank you.

[Isabel Wilder]

They're brilliant. They're probing and curious and.

[Kathryn Grody]

Doesn't that sound like who I am, honey? Probing and curious and fantastic.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Tell Mandy. Tell Mandy some more things about his wife.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Really?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What if Mandy ended up becoming, like, just the hardest core astrology person in the history of astrology?

[Isabel Wilder]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Mandy developed an interest in it. Mandy is immutable.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What does that mean? Immutable or mutable? Yeah.

[Kathryn Grody]

What does that mean?

[Isabel Wilder]

It is the sign that is at the end of the season so it's the sign that is taking all of those learnings, composting them and being moving on to something else. So there's a. Oh, I like that. Yeah, I know.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I do like that. You got me on the nose.

[Isabel Wilder]

That's what you are.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, I like that. Give her 10 bucks.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

We don't, we don't, we don't have any budget for that in this show.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's a $20 answer.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Isabel, you do amazing astrological readings for people. We've had so many friends like blown away by that. Where, where can people find you if they want to.

[Isabel Wilder]

Fifth House Pottery. The number 5th house, pottery.com. you can find me there.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And we, yeah, highly recommend getting a reading with Isabelle. We've had friends that have just been completely mind blown by it. And thank you for dropping by today.

[Isabel Wilder]

Thanks for having.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

We'll see you soon.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Thank you. It was nice to meet you.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Guys. Thanks so much for talking. Thanks to Isabel. Thanks for all the callers.

[Kathryn Grody]

And Alex, great question, Alex.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, yeah, that's our first kid question. We want to invite all the children of the world to ask questions that you have that make sense or even that don't make sense. If you're a kid out there and you want to know what, why a popsicle is not square, but for bunny rabbit, Hope for tomorrow. Yes, that is a question we will take.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And also, can we have kids song hours so kids who write songs call in and sing us your song?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes, kids, if you've written a song, please just sing it in a voice memo and send it to us. We'd love to hear that inspiration. We want to hear from you out there more.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And maybe one day we'll have enough kids songs and we'll make a. An album or whatever they call them today. And we'll raise money for charity and give it to the kids. Vote on their favorite charity.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I love this idea. Okay, call in with your songs, more questions, stories, advice for us. Send an email to askmandiancatherinemail.com or check out socials for an easy way to send us a voice note. And thank you so much for being here and tuning in. Let's be perfectly clear. Don't listen to us.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Don't listen to. Just listen to Catherine.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Don't just listen to Catherine or Isabelle. It's the new title of the show and not me.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Thanks a lot. Just as a Catherine or Gid or Isabelle. Not me. You did. You left me out. And we'll talk about that next week. Maybe you'll stop laughing by then.

[Isabel Wilder]

Foreign.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Don't Listen to Us is a Lemonada Media original hosted by Mandy Patinkin, Kathryn Grody and Gideon Grody Patinkin Created by Katrina Onstad, Debbie Pacheco and Gideon Grody Patinkin. Executive producers are Katherine Grody, Gideon Grody Paninkin, Mandy Padinkin, Katrina Onstadt, Debbie Pacheco, Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Whittles Wax. Our engineer is Ryan Derringer of Welterweight Sound. Video and audio production by Mark Whiteway of Bellows Media. Thanks to Lemonada's lead engineer, Ivan Kurayev. If you haven't subscribed to Lemonada Media Premium yet, now's the perfect time. You can hear Don't Listen to Us completely ad free. Plus you'll unlock exclusive bonus content like behind the scenes conversations, questions so weird they didn't make it on air, Becky the Dog shenanigans, and more. Just tap the subscribe button on Apple podcasts. Head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe on any other app, or listen ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership. That's lemonadapremium.com don't miss out.