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Julia Louis-Dreyfus (0:01)
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Glenn Close (1:02)
Lemonade. Hello, dear listeners, it's Gideon, Mandy, and Catherine. We are taking a little holiday rest. In the meantime, we wanted to share a wonderful conversation from Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis Dreyfus and the incomparable Glenn Close. In this episode, Glenn reflects on growing up in the moral rearmament cult, her iconic work in Fatal Attraction and the New Knives out and the tenacity, talent, and forgiveness that have shaped her life. She talks about the women who raised her, what becoming a grandmother has meant, and even shares an incredible story from the set of the Natural. If you want to hear more of Wiser Than Me finding, follow the link in the show notes. Happy holidays and we'll see you in 2026.
Julia Louis-Dreyfus (1:59)
Every actor who's been around for a minute has an audition story, and here is mine. You may have heard part of this story before, but I want you to hear the whole thing. This was a really long time ago, like between SNL and Seinfeld, and I was living in New York and I got an audition for the movie About Last Night. This was a movie with a lot of heat on it. It was being directed by Ed Zwick, and it was based on a play by David Mamet, the preeminent American playwright of the day. And it had been adapted by my close Chicago pal Tim Kazarinski. And the role that I was auditioning for was Joan, the cynical Friend, which is, you know, come on, let's face it, that's like right in my wheelhouse. So, okay, I go to this hotel for the audition and I'm in The hallway waiting for turn to go in. And from inside the room, I hear this big laugh. And out comes Demi Moore, who was like peak Brat Pack at that moment. And she did this adorable little twirl, and everybody was waving goodbye to her, and they were craning their necks to see her go. She was so beautiful. And that's when the casting assistant says, jilly Louis Dreyfus. And I'm like, oh, fuck, I have to follow that. I mean, even though I wasn't reading for the same part as Demi Moore, I mean, her just her confidence and the fact that she had obviously killed in the room, it was just also very intimidating. I remember exactly nothing about the audition. And that gives you an idea of the trauma that I experienced for the next three minutes or so. It was terrible, and it should have been great. I mean, I was right for the part. I was prepared. That it was such a disaster was a total fluke. All I needed was another chance. But of course, you know, you don't get another chance unless you get called back. And I really wasn't getting called back for that, that was for sure. So guess what I did. I went home and I wrote the director, Ed Zwick, a handwritten note, and I was completely honest, and. And I begged him for one more chance. I told him that I knew I could just nail the role of Joan. And I took the note back to the hotel and I gave it to the concierge, who told me that he would absolutely deliver it personally to Mr. Zwick, which he did. And you know what? Ed Zwick is not only a wonderful director, but he's also a wonderful man. And he said, absolutely. Come back tomorrow. We would be so very happy to see you again. And I ran that Jones scene a thousand times in my apartment that night. And the next day, just brimming with confidence and buoyed by my display of classic, you know, show biz chutzpah, I walked back into that room where I could feel Ed Zweck and the producers rooting for me because I'd taken a chance and it was paying off. Eleven months later, almost to the day, about last night opened, and guess what? When I nervously read the review in the New York Times, they didn't love the movie, but they said standing out in the role of Joan, a kindergarten teacher who says very funny and very rude things to men in a singles bar, is the excellent Elizabeth Perkins. Oh, my God. Not for the faint of heart, this show business. That's why one of my. My favorite things in the world is an actor over 70 who is still working, still risking everything on stage or in front of a camera, and has great stories to tell. I think it's kind of heroic, really. How fitting then that today we get to talk to Glenn Close. I'm Julia Louis Dreyfus and this is Wiser Than Me, the podcast where I get schooled by women who are wiser than me. So you're walking along a creek in Bozeman, Montana. Sacajawea peak rises nearly 10,000ft above. The snow crunches underfoot as you move through the beautiful, untamed wilderness. And then up ahead, you see her, a woman with the most striking, gorgeous white hair moving confidently through the snow. And yeah, it's Glenn Close, who is now settled in Bozeman among bears and mountain bluebirds being, you know, fabulous Glenn Close. I got to watch her in Fatal Attraction again last night. And let me tell you something, that movie holds up. And you know why it holds up? Because Glenn Close has this weight, this power, this inner light, this complete commitment. When she takes a role, any role, Alex Force, Patty Hughes, Albert Knobbs, and hundreds more. Man, she loves to work. I can't believe how much this woman works for every. She engineers a real person. Even when it's Cruella De Vil, Glenn Close makes it the real Cruella De Vil. The Cruella who would do all of those horrible, terrible Cruella things. And she still gets all the laughs. And on stage. Good Lord. I was lucky enough to see her on Broadway and Sunset Boulevard and it was a full on tour de force for real. Glenn didn't grow up like most actors. She grew up inside the mra, a fundamentalist movement she later called a cult. Somehow she emerged from that with an enormous heart and a capacity for compassion and forgiveness that shows up in all of her performances on the screen and on stage. Beyond performing, she co founded Bring Change to Mind with her sister Jessie, turning a family struggle into a mission to break the stigma around mental illness, reaching 2 billion people and supporting tens of thousands of students along the way. She's won Tonys and Golden Globes and Emmys and is an eight time Oscar nominee. That is right. Eight times this year. She became a first time grandmother, which feels like a great way for her to start her third act. Welcome. Mother, sister, aunt, actor, producer, writer, and now grandmother. And a woman who is so much wiser than me, Glenn Close. Hi, Glenn.