True NYC Stories We’ve Never Told (Until Now)

Summary

Episode Summary: "True NYC Stories We’ve Never Told (Until Now)"

Don't Listen To Us with Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody – April 29, 2026 | Lemonada Media

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Overview

In this special, unscripted episode, Mandy Patinkin, Kathryn Grody, and their son Gideon abandon their typical advice format for a meandering, freewheeling conversation brimming with never-before-told New York City stories, family memories, and candor about personal experiences. From tales of apartment mishaps and eccentric neighbors to frank family confessions and humorous asides about sex, drugs, and city living, the trio embraces chaos, nostalgia, and the unpredictability of family life in Manhattan. The result is an hour where wisdom, laughter, and oversharing collide, highlighting both the tenderness and absurdities of their shared pasts.

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Key Discussion Points and Conversations

The Freewheeling Format

• Kickoff: Gideon sets the tone: “Today we're doing something a little different. We're doing a relaxed, freewheeling episode.” (00:19)
• Mandy is bemused by the new approach: “Are the others not relaxed?” (00:24)

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Family Memories: NYC Apartments, Rats, and Neighbors

[02:55–08:54]

• Travel Stories & Misremembered Vacations: The family debates old trips, with classic confusion and affectionate teasing.
• Mandy's Rat Encounter in Venice: “The rat comes into the bathroom like this… I said, it's your job. You're finding me another room without rats.” (04:14–04:47)
• Stories of Urban Encounters: The conversation shifts to their NYC apartment building:
  • Gideon recalls “naked woman” exhibitionism and neighbors’ eccentric bathroom habits (07:12–08:34).
  • Kathryn watches an unknown neighbor work at his computer late at night, comparing it to “an Edward Hopper painting.” (09:00–09:20)

Memorable Quote

“How are you not aware that there's a 15 story building right across from you? ...It felt very exhibitionistic, so I felt that was fine.”
— Gideon (07:32)

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Privacy, Exposure, and Gender

[10:00–11:59]

• The family debates the exposure risks in NYC apartments—Mandy is “very paranoid”, Gideon is blithe: “I open the bathroom window all the way… get a load of this, New York City.” (09:43)
• Mandy recounts being surreptitiously photographed in a gym, contrasting his flattered reaction with women's constant discomfort:

  “Welcome to being a woman. That’s what it feels like…fucking people behaving inappropriately.” — Gideon (10:45)

• Kathryn and Gideon share stories about women using hat pins on the subway to defend against gropers (11:29–11:59).

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NYC Perils: Biking, Subways, and Parenting Worry

[15:37–18:18]

• Kathryn admits—multiple times—her anxiety about Gideon biking in the city.
• Gideon shares harrowing city tales: “I’ve seen somebody with their brains all over the sidewalk.” (17:03) Mandy asks, “Why don’t you tell us that?” (17:12) Prompting a discussion on what children do and don’t share with their parents.

Memorable Quote

“You think I’m gonna come home and say, ‘Hey, Mom, don’t worry, I just saw a guy with his brains on the sidewalk.’”
— Gideon (17:26)

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Uplifting City Stories & Local Legends

[18:23–22:32]

• After prompting, Gideon shares positive NYC memories—art, kindness, and the story of “Peanuts,” their woodland neighbor who lived off the grid, powered his lights with a wheel in the stream, and became a beloved fixture.
• “He had 78 records attached to a bicycle wheel. That was his power for his light… as the water went by, it would turn the wheel and… turn on his light.” (19:51–20:09)

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Cockroach Apartments, Drug Confessions & Family Lore

Cockroach Tales and Parental Visits

[22:32–29:40]

• Mandy and Kathryn swap stories of their own decrepit first NYC apartments, complete with cockroaches, flea-ridden rugs, and cramped bathrooms. (22:04–29:40)
• Mandy’s mother’s memorable visit: “She had on her mink coat and her pocketbook filled with money… she freaked out when she saw where I was living.” (23:11–24:34)
• Kathryn’s dad brought sandwiches for “hungry” prostitutes he met on 42nd Street, unaware of their situation. (36:02–36:24)

Early Drug Use: Confessions and Missteps

[27:06–31:30]

• Mandy details his limited experience: “Once I did cocaine... And then I did marijuana and the one with the flowers, which is a different, more potent kind…” (27:25)
• Kathryn says: “I'm not into drugs. The only one. I smoked pot once. Like. Like that. Really?” (28:01–28:09)
• Mandy humorously laments marijuana’s effects: “I'd get high and then I’d go out to the Corner to buy 12 dozen chocolate Entenmann's donuts and a gallon of milk…” (27:49)
• The infamous story of Kathryn buying marijuana cookies from Gideon’s dealer—and learning just after about an armed robbery there: “Two weeks after…they pistol-whipped our friend and his roommate and then held them at gunpoint.” (31:42–32:54)

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Legendary Friends & Star Encounters

[23:05–24:13]

• Mandy recounts living with John Lithgow, who joined their apartment with a baby in tow.

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Parent–Child Myth Busting & The Trouble with Memory

[29:54–36:49]

• Kathryn puzzles over disputed lore: “Martin Sheen drove you across the country… and you made him swear not to tell your dad that it was a filthy apartment…” (34:27–34:46)
• Kathryn clarifies she arrived in NYC by plane, and various memories are hilariously jumbled.

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From the Ridiculous to the Raunchy: Sex Acts, Sounding, and Generational Confusion

[37:00–39:04]

• Gideon introduces “sounding,” a sexual practice, much to his parents' bewilderment:
  • "It's simply the practice of inserting objects... typically made of metal or silicone into the urethra for sexual gratification." — Gideon (37:56–38:12)
• Kathryn and Mandy react with emphatic discomfort:
  • “I request that be cut from the episode as a sign that we were failed parents.” — Mandy (37:28)
  • Kathryn: “Oh, my God. Oh, my God. God, I do not need to know this.” (37:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On City Living:
  “I've seen people helping each other. I've seen people making art.” — Gideon (18:38)
• Urban Coming-of-age:
  "That was sex-ed-ing me. Well, it was a great way to learn." — Gideon (08:42)
• Gift Ideas Gone Wrong:
  Mandy (joking): “Maybe I could get you one of those [sounding] items for…” (38:14)
  Gideon: “A sounding kit from your dad is just... It’s too much.” (38:18)
• On Parental Anxiety:
  “Kid, I'm so anxious when you ride a bike in New York City.” — Kathryn (15:37)
• On Memory, Family, and Stories:
  Mandy: “That should be a new segment. Things that we’ve said more than...every episode.” (19:02)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:19 – Introduction to the “freewheeling” episode
• 04:14 – Mandy’s Venice rat story
• 07:12 – Gideon’s tales of NYC neighbors
• 10:45 – Discussion of women’s safety and public exposure
• 15:37 – Kathryn’s NYC cyclist anxiety
• 17:03 – Gideon’s “brains on the sidewalk” anecdote
• 19:13 – Peanuts, the magical neighbor
• 23:11 – Mandy’s mother and the mink coat
• 27:25 – Mandy and Kathryn’s drug confessions
• 31:42 – Kathryn’s near-miss with a drug dealer robbery
• 36:02 – Kathryn’s dad feeds sex workers
• 37:00 – “What is sounding?” (sexual acts discussion)
• 39:02 – End of content section

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Tone and Dynamics

• Warm, irreverent, deeply familial: The trio’s teasing, loving interruptions and genuine curiosity about each other's histories provide warmth and humor, even when veering into awkward or risqué territory.
• Blunt, self-deprecating humor: No one is immune from embarrassment, especially as family legends are debunked in real-time.
• Honest, sometimes raw reflections: The three grapple openly with the sometimes-harsh realities of urban life—danger, trauma, resilience, and finding connection amid chaos.

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Episode Takeaways

• Life in New York City is equal parts gritty and magical, full of stories you won't hear anywhere else.
• Family memories are inevitably messy, contradictory, and often hilarious.
• Intergenerational conversations about drugs, sex, and city life are as awkward as they are necessary.
• Even in a family of storytellers, new tales emerge and old stories are constantly reinterpreted.

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Listener advice: If you’re looking for direct solutions to problems, you won’t find them here—except, perhaps, “Don’t listen to the last three minutes if you’re squeamish,” and “Always check the bathroom for rats (or men with cameras) in NYC.”

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End of summary.

Transcript

[Mandy Patinkin]

Lemonade.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

This week on our podcast, Don't Listen to Us, things go completely off the rails. Hello. Hello?

[Mandy Patinkin]

A little too cheery for me.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Today we're doing something a little different. We're doing a relaxed, freewheeling episode.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are the other's not relaxed?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You'll learn something about Catherine that might shock you.

[Kathryn Grody]

I smoked pot once. Like. Like that. Really?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You ever try bath salts?

[Kathryn Grody]

Bath salts?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Nope. Okay.

[Kathryn Grody]

Nope.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

My parents start questioning everything.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I request that be cut from the episode as a sign that we were failed parents.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And we end with a conversation that maybe shouldn't have made the cut. It's simply the practice of inserting objects.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, here he goes.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Typically made of metal or silicone into the urethra for sexual gratification. We are pro sex and pro exploring our bodies on this show.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I never said that I was that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So keep listening to. Don't Listen to Us. Hello? Hello? Mom and dad. Dad and Mom.

[Kathryn Grody]

That's us.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I haven't seen you guys in a while.

[Mandy Patinkin]

A little too cheery for me.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A little too.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. Could just have it make it normal. Try it again.

[Kathryn Grody]

What do you think? I have a question for you in the hang area. Gideon.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I guess she didn't hear me.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Hey, guys.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, it's all right. Never mind.

[Kathryn Grody]

I have a question for you. What aspect of yourself do you think I'm loving? But I would not mention.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I don't know. But you know who's calling me right now that I've been playing phone tag with?

[Kathryn Grody]

Who?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

My love from sixth grade?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Emily.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, Emily.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hi, Emily.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I didn't. I didn't answer the call.

[Kathryn Grody]

Are you in touch with Emily?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Playing phone tag for forever.

[Kathryn Grody]

Are you in touch with her?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

No. Let me just tell her. Anyway. This is first. First love broke my heart. She's, you know, it happens. I was, what, 11?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. I thought Mariana. I thought Mariana was your first love when you were 11.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

No, you always get her name wrong.

[Kathryn Grody]

I think you forget how many first loves you had.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Today we're doing something a little different. We're doing a relaxed, freewheeling episode.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are the others not relaxed?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The others are a little more designed. We have some idea of where we're going, but today we don't have any idea where we're going.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I see.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And it could go anywhere or nowhere at all. Are you guys aware that we put. Put Becky in a different place every time?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I never learn where it is, but I have seen her.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, that's very funny. Okay.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Is she on the couch behind me?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, she travels around.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I Know she's not on the couch.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What do you guys want to talk about today?

[Mandy Patinkin]

What a great question. Go ahead, honey. You're the one.

[Kathryn Grody]

We have to deal with holiday stuff. There's various desires.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Holidays happened months ago.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, it did? Okay, so we never talked about that, I guess.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are you making any. Are you planning on taking any trips anywhere? Hello? Hello?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That happened that time.

[Kathryn Grody]

That was good.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It was as though he was a ghost. Submit this to the bench as Exhibit A. Okay. Exhibit A, you're on.

[Kathryn Grody]

I agree on that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Please submit it to the benches.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Exhibit A, please speak.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You have a video. You have a video record of it? I see. I see no problem with this.

[Kathryn Grody]

Speak.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Daddy, you know, I can't remember once I once.

[Kathryn Grody]

I know you were gonna say trips. You were talking about trips.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's okay. I don't not.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Dad asked me if I'm taking any trips anywhere anytime soon.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Next question.

[Kathryn Grody]

Do you remember when we went for two weeks to Venice, just you and me?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

No.

[Kathryn Grody]

I think it was 10 years ago.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It wasn't just 2019.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Kyle was there.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I believe in Venice. He's thinking of Barcelona.

[Kathryn Grody]

You're thinking of Spain.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Honey, that's when he was 16, 24 years ago. Whoa.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You're lucky you weren't with me in Venice.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes, I know.

[Mandy Patinkin]

The rat came into my bedroom. Rat this big. And I'm sitting on the toilet. And the rat comes into the bathroom like this.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What did you say to it?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I went, get the fuck out of here. And I'm looking and I'm chasing the rat out, and the rat disappears. Well, where did it go? I'm looking under the bed. There's like a radiator. I'm trying to find a hole, but the rat. I'm not kidding, I'm not exaggerating. Rat was this big. Somehow the rat got in and got out. Because, you know, you're surrounded by water in Venice and the rats are a big problem.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I grabbed my stuff, got off the toilet, went down to the front desk. It's like, you know, one o' clock in the morning, the guy can't speak English, sitting at the desk. I said, it's your job. You're finding me another room without rats. I said, I don't speak Italian. I'm sleeping here next to you right now for the rest of the night unless you find me another room. Finally, he did.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You know, that reminds me, rat free.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, yeah, I'm here to tell you,

[Kathryn Grody]

that reminds me, rat free. That reminds me of when Isaac decided, why shouldn't he go with dad when dad's working in Chichester, England, because he's old enough, you know, he's 8 years old. I think it's a great idea. So he goes with dad when dad rehearsing.

[Mandy Patinkin]

How old was I? Eight.

[Kathryn Grody]

No, you were. Isaac was eight. Yeah. And he calls me at like three in the morning for me. He says, mom, mom, there's a huge cat that came in the window. What do I do? I said, honey, ask your dad. I'm in New York, you're in London with your dad. Dad's sleeping. He's still resting for his rehearsal. I can't bother dad.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You know what I heard out of this? You know how I heard this? Since that previous episode we did, I would have said to that 8 year old Isaac back then or any person in the future, quick close the bathroom doors so the cat doesn't pull the toilet paper down.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Very good, dad.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Cause you remember that episode previously, which way the toilet paper goes?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That people, cat owners have an incentive to orient the toilet paper roll such that the cat won't spiral it onto a pyramid on the floor.

[Mandy Patinkin]

We are better. For those of you who have never heard our show, we are better than how I made this house, how I fix it. You know, you can fix it, do it yourself, whatever those shows are called. We learn things. On this show, we learned that you turn the toilet paper one way and the cat can unravel it into a pile. You turn it the other way, which is not the way I like. The toilet paper turned and the cat can't do it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Have we learned anything else on this

[Mandy Patinkin]

show that was

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

seems like pretty good, 25 episodes.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, that's a valuable thing. Who doesn't sit on the toilet and look at the toilet paper?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kathryn Grody]

I think Isaac very much prefers it the other way. Opposite way.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You know, there was a guy when I was growing up in an apartment building that I grew up in on 90th in Amsterdam. Across from us there was a community garden plot and we had a little garden plot there when I was a kid. And then they turned it into a luxury condos apartments.

[Kathryn Grody]

But they kept a little bit the garden.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, but there were these big windows quite close to our apartment building so you could see into people's lives and people's homes. And I remember I. I really learned. It was quite an education. There was one very naked woman who would get out of her shower and stand at the open window. I was a teenager. And lotion her naked body facing towards our building, unaware Well, I felt like it was an invitation to watch because how do you. How are you not aware that there's a 15 story building right across from you with also people facing it? It felt very exhibitionistic, so I felt that was fine. There was another guy whose bathroom was by the window and unaware wipe standing up while pacing his bathroom in.

[Kathryn Grody]

Are you serious, kid?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes, yes. His toilet was by the window. And when he was done taking a. He would stand up while wiping his ass while walking around in circles in his bathroom.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm trying.

[Kathryn Grody]

Is this what gave you your eccentric point of view of the world? That you looked at all these people across the street from us get all

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

those years and then there was another very short, round woman with a very tall, lanky man and they would have sex in their living room and I could see the whole thing. That was sex editing me. Well, it was a great way to learn about.

[Kathryn Grody]

You know, I still. There's one person I look at from where I'm living now.

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[Kathryn Grody]

Well, it's fascinating to me. I don't know who he is. I think he's not in our building. I think he's in the adjacent building. That kind of comes close. It's Columbia and it's like watching an edge Ed Hopper painting. I've never seen him with anybody else. It's always late at night. He's always at a desk. There's a big computer screen.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Oh, I see that guy.

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[Kathryn Grody]

Don't you wonder what he's doing there? Just by himself on that computer.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Which building? Where we live now?

[Kathryn Grody]

From the kitchen window? Yeah, you look down so I can see.

[Mandy Patinkin]

How do you feel when the bathroom windows open a little? You know, for air and people can see you naked in the bathroom.

[Kathryn Grody]

Nobody sees me naked in the bathroom.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I open the bathroom window all the way when I'm using that bathroom and

[Mandy Patinkin]

people can see you and I just

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

say, get a load of this, New York City.

[Kathryn Grody]

Nobody can see. Our bathrooms don't face windows. The only problem is, is when they were doing all that tuck pointing.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Where do you live? We face that right across the street. There's windows everywhere.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, there's about 2,000 windows pointing towards the street.

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm sorry, not the bathroom.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You have both bathrooms that you have.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You look right across the street and there's millions of windows at the same height. It's a high story building equal to ours.

[Kathryn Grody]

No, no, we have a frosted.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm talking when you lift up the window because you want some air.

[Kathryn Grody]

I do not see anybody out there.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Not if you're looking through the frosted. But when you lift up the window.

[Kathryn Grody]

I don't think that's true. I have to look.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are you crazy?

[Kathryn Grody]

No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, here's the great thing. It's a solvable problem. It's fine for all of us to just be.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm very paranoid about it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. Well. Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I had a guy take a picture of me. I went to a gym in Los Angeles, and I'm changing in the changing room, and I don't know what I was doing. Some guy recognized me. He takes a fucking picture.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, welcome to being a woman. That's what it feels like, being a woman. Walking through the world, fucking people, behaving inappropriately, taking pictures of you, creeping out right under skirts, grabbing you under skirts outside your apartment. I had a friend who was in their apartment, saw a guy whacking off on the street in the bushes, looking up at her.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I didn't finish my story.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay. Please.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I was very flattered by it. And.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And there's the difference between being a

[Mandy Patinkin]

man and being a woman.

[Kathryn Grody]

Exactly. You know, I didn't even. In the subways in the old days get. I never even. I just expected, you know, people to do inappropriate things. If you're squished together in the subway.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, I was. I was just with a. A friend who's. In some later years, and they were talking about. They used to wear a hat pin, a long hat, so that they could stab men in the hands.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, that.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That groped her.

[Kathryn Grody]

Wow.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And that when they would feel someone grab them, they would take their hat pin and shove this long needle into their hand, as she had occasion to do that many times. Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Do I know this person?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I know, but I was like, wow. And you know that. That is.

[Kathryn Grody]

I have hat pins. I could take one with me.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Grody]

Maybe that would make me feel safer on the subway these days.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But the amount of how regular an experience that is for women is just insane.

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[Kathryn Grody]

Kid, I'm so anxious when you ride a bike in New York City. What brought that up?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Where'd that come from?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Just an opportunity to feel terrible about something.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Where'd that come from? What Was the connective tissue of that subways.

[Kathryn Grody]

And when Gid. When Gid was taking subways when he was very young, at one in the morning and I was objecting to. And he said, mom, was the last time you were on a subway at one in the morning?

[Mandy Patinkin]

We're talking about the bike.

[Kathryn Grody]

And then he took me on the

[Mandy Patinkin]

subway and what had the connection to the bike?

[Kathryn Grody]

I was thinking of him on the subway and he does those city bike things all over the place.

[Mandy Patinkin]

How does that connect to the subway? Because it's modes of transportation and that's how you connected. I'm so terrified whenever he rides.

[Kathryn Grody]

That's not even disconnected.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Okay,

[Kathryn Grody]

it isn't. It's just that I find the streets of New York with those bright white lights and the pressure on all delivery people to get their food so fast. It's.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You shouldn't ride a bicycle in New York because you are not skilled at it. Something I'll say though. I yell at a lot of people on the bike going to New York all day long when I'm moving around the city like that, I yell, look up, look up, look up. Because people are looking on their phone. People are biking through that city, which is inherently dangerous. I've seen two people die. I've gotten doored by caps. It is inherently dangerous thing. It makes it a lot more dangerous if you are texting while riding a bike.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You've seen them die?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, yeah. I mean, I've seen somebody with their brains all over the sidewalk.

[Kathryn Grody]

Jesus, kid.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's New York. You see a lot of stuff. It's New York City. You ever been there?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why didn't I hear about that? Why don't you talk to us?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Are you kidding me?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why? Why didn't you. Why don't you tell. Do it. Do it. How many hours

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

you think I'm gonna come home? You think I'm gonna come home and say, hey, Mom, I know you're really worried about me biking in the city. Don't worry, I just saw a guy with his brains on the sidewalk.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, I'd find that. I'd like to hear that from you. Not for the poor guy. How do you not come home to your loved ones and share that? What happens? Why do you edit that out?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I don't.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are you worried we're going to ask you what your doctor said in a private visit?

[Kathryn Grody]

Do you? Tell us.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why wouldn't you tell us that? I'm curious.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Why would that be information you need to know?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, my son was like, God forbid you were in A traffic accident and people were harmed and thank God you weren't. You wouldn't share that you were in an accident.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. I'm just saying stuff you've seen around the city. I've seen a lot of crazy things in the city.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Have you been to New York City? What else have you seen that you haven't shared with us? Like give me another extreme example of brain all over the city.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Take a. On the subway.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I've seen somebody take a.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

On another person.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I've seen that. Something else.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You know, you see somebody throw some dog at somebody.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no, no. Get away from the extra.

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay. What are the beautiful. If I did this conversation, you would be slow. You would be saying to me, act

[Mandy Patinkin]

like you've been educated.

[Kathryn Grody]

Ok. What's the positive things you've seen in New York?

[Mandy Patinkin]

What else?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I've seen people helping each other. I've seen people standing up for each other.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's beautiful.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I've seen people making art. I've seen people getting people out of danger's way.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's your cue to tell the story about you. How you knew what a wonderful person he was when he helped somebody get

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

out of the house. Mom loves an opportunity to talk about her.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Aren't you gonna tell that story?

[Kathryn Grody]

No, because I already told that story, honey. I don't want to keep repeating stories.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That should be a new segment. Things that we've said more than tw every episode.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A nice memory I have of. Of growing up around this place was that there was an old guy named Peanuts.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Who lived in a little kind of shack of a house out out in the woods on your land here.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Beautiful.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And you let him just continue to live there rent free. And I just remember we'd be on the porch and Peanuts would just emerge from the woods, kind of toothless and smiley as all get out. And just like this sweet, sort of magical kind woodland figure with his little wood stove in there.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And that's where he wanted to be. He didn't want to be in anywhere. He had 78 records and a bicycle attached to 78 records attached to a bicycle wheel. And that was his power for his light because there's a stream. And so the stream would make the record spin and it would generate power. And that was his light.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The stream would make the record spin.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It was like a water wheel. So the old 78 records he attached to a bicycle. It was put in the stream. So as the water went by, it would turn the wheel and that would. And he hooked it to a generator and it would turn on his light.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Kathryn Grody]

You know, it's interesting about Peanuts, too, because one of the first times when we first were up here, and I just saw this guy go by the window when. When I could see out the window in the kitchen. And I immediately went into my New York City mode. Oh, my God. Who's this guy? Terrifying. You know, he's trespassing. And then, of course, it was this beautiful guy who was actually part of a very old family up here. He was the.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You know, and what we said to him.

[Kathryn Grody]

Successful schoon maker.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, we said to him in the beginning, because he was a good friend of Joe who owned the property next to us. And I'll never forget the day we got here. Not the day, but it felt like the day we got here. All of a sudden, someone was shooting from the back toward us, toward our house. And I looked, Catherine, I said, we gotta move. We gotta get out of here.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I gotta do your target practice somehow.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And he said, oh, that's no big deal. That was just the locals. Those are just the cops and the firemen and everything. You gotta be friendly to the locals. He said, because they put up a deer stand and they're looking for deer, so you don't want to be. You don't want to, you know, ruffle that. And I said, well, I'm okay with that. I'm just not okay with them shooting toward my house. He said, well, I'll give him. I'll give him a talk to.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Seems like there's a fair compromise somewhere in there.

[Mandy Patinkin]

But he was Peanuts's good friend, and Peanuts was. That property was on Peanut. Peanuts was on his property.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Right.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And then eventually that property became ours, and Joe had passed away. And I said to Peanuts, as soon as, you know that. That Joe had passed away, I said, peanuts, you can live here forever if you want. And also if you want some help to live somewhere else that isn't just outside like this in the elements, we'll help you. No, no, I just want to be here.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

He had a house out there. It was just.

[Mandy Patinkin]

He made a house. He had an outhouse, too. Very modest. And then his niece, I believe, finally, at a certain point, decided that he needed to be in a. In a place that would give better care. And she picked him up and moved him. He needed help.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I always thought. He died.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no, no. She moved him to a home, for he was pretty elderly. He stayed there quite a while, but he was, you know, ill, and he wouldn't complain ever.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Mom I just thought of a story. Can you share the story about Martin traveling over here and the cockroaches? When you moved to New York for the first time, didn't Martin help you move out here. And you made him promise not to tell about the cockroaches in the apartment.

[Kathryn Grody]

You're making this up to show that I've lost my mind.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no, Martin.

[Kathryn Grody]

Martin and the cockroaches.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Didn't Martin help you move to New York for the first time, and then he moved you into your apartment?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Martin helped her see Joe Pal? No. Who?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And you said, don't tell my parents about the cockroaches in the apartment.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, that was me. My apartment that I was sharing with nobody. And it was a real hovel. And the bathroom was in the kitchen. And there were cockroaches everywhere. And my mother came to visit after my father died. And I had gotten a new apartment with my friend Ted, but we hadn't moved in yet. But my mother was on her way to Europe. And she had on her mink coat and her pocketbook filled with money and things to go to Europe. And I said to, you know, cushion the horror that she's gonna feel when she goes. But other kids from Juilliard lived in this building, too. But I knew she'd freak out when she saw where I was living. So I brought her over to where I was gonna move with my friend Ted Chapin. We had this apartment on 73rd street, but we weren't in there. And Josh Logan's daughter was living there. I think her name was Susan Logan. And she had a boyfriend who had a motorcycle. So we rang the bell. It was 1C. John Lithgow lived above us at 2C. Eventually, John moved in to share the apartment with me. Because he needed a place.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

John Lithgow, the actor?

[Mandy Patinkin]

John Lithgow, the actor. An old, dear friend. And he knocked on our door once. Cause he had a little baby named Ian. And we were singing. Ted and I in the living room was waking up the baby. But that's a different story. So I go to the store, we hit the buzzer for 1C. And we hear Susan on the buzzer machine in the hallway. And who.

[Kathryn Grody]

Who's this?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Who's this?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Hello?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hello?

[Kathryn Grody]

Who's this?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Who's this? And I said, susan, it's Mandy. I'm here. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Come in. Come in, come in, come in, come in, come in, come in. And there was just such hysteria. Okay, I'm here with my mother. Yeah, come in, come In. So we go right there. It's right past the entry door, one seat to the left. You know, she opens the door and there's a giant German shepherd sleeping on the floor. There's a motorcycle right to the right in the dining room. And then she's in a state. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We were just robbed. We were just robbed. We thought it was him coming back. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, we're so glad you're here.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Coming back. And then they let you in.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, we thought it was. She thought it was the burglar coming back, the guy who robbed them. And so when it was me, she was very relieved. And then she said, my boyfriend, she's all tied up in the other room. What? And my mother says, where is he? Where is he? And she's in a mink coat, a full length mink coat, and the pocketbook with her money for Europe. And we go into the bedroom and there's her boyfriend, a classic Hell's angel looking guy, on the floor on his stomach, hands behind his back, and his hands and feet were tied with, like, extension cords. My mother gets on the floor in the mink coat, puts her bag down and starts untying him and saying very casually, can I ask a question? Did this have to do with drugs? I don't want to lecture you, but I'm. And then all of a sudden, out of the. Out of Susan's mouth comes, yeah, yeah. And he had a gun. And we thought it was him coming back because he said he was going to come back. And it got quiet for a second. And then my mother got up, he was untied at this point, and she says, we need to go. She picked up her pocketbook.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The man with the gun might come back.

[Mandy Patinkin]

The man might come back. And my quick response was, don't you want to see the kitchen? I forced her to see the kitchen because that's the Holy Grail to my mother. And then we came out and we went to the corner of Amsterdam on 74th, 73rd Street, Amsterdam and 73rd. And she had to call Shirley and her other friends, Bella, and tell them, you know, what just happened. And it was one of the great adventures of our life. We went back to the hovel where I lived, and we went into another guy's apartment. And it was like one room, like smaller than one room. And it had a table that you could sit three and three, you know, and there was a loft above it. So there was like a very low roof, and they were all smoking pot My mother was right in the middle and she got high as a kite and was trying to call my sister to tell her what just happened.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

This all happened in the same day. She gave them Tied up man a lecture about not getting involved with drugs and then went to get high and

[Mandy Patinkin]

rescued the Tied up man. And then she got high. She didn't mean to get high, but it was a contact.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You think she never did drugs on her own?

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, she never did drugs?

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, not on her own. That was the time. Yeah. She did Valium.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Let's go over the drugs you guys have done. Pot, cocaine, lsd.

[Kathryn Grody]

No, I've never done that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Windowpane acid. Once I did cocaine when a friend of mine who had the trust fund bought it for the rest of us. And then I did marijuana and the one with the flowers, which is a different, more potent kind. I forget what it's called. Hashish. Hashish or something. It had flowers or something. It was more potent. And I had to stop the marijuana because like clockwork, I'd get high and then I'd go out to the Corner to buy 12 dozen chocolate Entenmann's donuts and a gallon of milk. And then I'd have a sinus cold the next day and had to go on antibiotics every time.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Right. What about you, Mom?

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm not into drugs. The only one. I smoked pot once. Like. Like that. Really?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Kathryn Grody]

I snorted cocaine once. I. Bath salts. Bath salts?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Nope. Okay.

[Kathryn Grody]

Nope. The only drug I was attracted to. I think I already told this. The only drug I really was attracted to was speed. But I just felt if I started that, that I wouldn't enjoy my own speed. And so I wouldn't do it. So I didn't.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That's great. I want to go back to. Didn't Martin Sheen help you move to New York City?

[Kathryn Grody]

No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

He drove you out and then you told him, don't tell my parents that there's cockroaches.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh my God. Honey, I never heard that. I'm going to ask Martin about this, but no.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Who drove to New York City to move into my first apartment?

[Kathryn Grody]

First of all, I flew to New York City to visit a very special friend. I thought I was going to be here for one minute and I ended up getting a job. So I stayed in New York City. I moved around to various friends until I found an apartment. I did decide to put grass, a grass rug in my sixth floor walk up kitchen, which was dumb.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A grass rug?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. You know those grass woven rugs.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Fake grass.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. You know Sissel Sisal, but not a fancy one. And it turned out roaches were very happy under there. But I don't think I ever told you that. I was here with Martin, and he introduced me to Joe Papp and the Horn and Hardart.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's a different story.

[Kathryn Grody]

The first thing I was, my job in Buffalo, I called dad because when I went into the apartment.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Me dad or your dad?

[Kathryn Grody]

No, Gideon's dad. You husband.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Husband.

[Kathryn Grody]

Okay. I called dad, very upset because I thought the rug was moving, and it was because there were fleas. And I said, I can't do this. I can't live like this anymore. In these cockroaches.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Love wicker baskets.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Let me ask you a question. So, okay, so I have that story wrong. That's very weird, because I feel like I heard that multiple times.

[Mandy Patinkin]

But we'll get to the other. I never heard it. I never heard it.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Can you tell us your experience of your first drug deal? When I sent you to buy drugs from my drug dealer?

[Kathryn Grody]

And you know what's really frightening? I really can't remember it very much, but all I remember is, why was I doing that?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You wanted to try eating marijuana cookies.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Because I was in.

[Kathryn Grody]

I tried that because Gideon was into it. So I was very nervous. I wanted to see what that experience did. And you sent me just a block or two away to your guy.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah. And you were very nervous.

[Kathryn Grody]

I was very nervous about it. It made me very nervous.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

You never bought drugs?

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm buying cookie drugs at my son's thing. I knock on this guy. Somehow you made me feel it was more comfortable because he was also involved with the opera. And I knocked on his door and I liked him, and we had a big conversation, as I do with strangers, that I'm buying cookie drugs from.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And you really liked it. You hung out in his apartment and talked to him for a while.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, I did.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Did you get high with him?

[Kathryn Grody]

No, I don't think I did.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You didn't have a cookie?

[Kathryn Grody]

No, I don't think I did.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

But you had a great experience.

[Kathryn Grody]

I had a great experience. And then a very short time afterwards, were you gonna send me back there or something to do it again? And a horrible thing happened that you felt very glad I was.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So I told you that. I didn't know if I'd told you that yet.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What happened?

[Kathryn Grody]

What happened? Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So in this same apartment that I sent my dear mom to and convinced her it was entirely safe, the individual I bought the cookies from, he just sold cookies. But his roommate sold weed and had the plant, which I didn't. I didn't know. They got a knock on the door and. And it was a local gentleman in the area known as. Who they'd been selling to and known for a while. And so they let. He opened the door and he let in. And next to was two men in ski masks with guns. And they pistol whipped our friend and his roommate and then held them at gunpoint. And why? Because they were stealing from them. They stole his roommate's weed. He had several pounds of weed and $30,000 in cash. Now, this is a popular thing to steal from drug dealers because who won't call the cops? Drug dealers. So this is a classic thing in the drug dealing world now.

[Kathryn Grody]

And that was very shortly after I had gone.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Two weeks after.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Mom would have been pistol whipped.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

No, nobody's gonna pistol whip you. You're so.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. Sweet.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Unpistal.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Whippable. So, so. Catherine. Grody. Unpistable. So these guys. These guys were so upset by the betrayal of their friend that. Oh, I'm wondering,

[Mandy Patinkin]

was their friend who betrayed them.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yeah, Local.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

So they. They turned him in and got. And I think did some kind of deal. God, I hope I'm not getting anybody in trouble. No, I don't think everybody knew this. Everybody was talking about it in the neighborhood.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

And then. And struck some sort of deal to get in less trouble because the neighborhood was so, like, surveilled. And so they got into trouble. They stole from the wrong dealers. But anyway, you know, if you'd been there at that moment, you would have been like, boys, everyone, put down.

[Kathryn Grody]

Put down that pistol.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Let's talk.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It's hot in here. Take those ski masks off.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Let's talk about how everyone's feeling. I'm sure we can work this out.

[Kathryn Grody]

I'm just. These, these, these. Hearing these stories is making my heart accelerate as well.

[Mandy Patinkin]

He's just.

[Kathryn Grody]

I know.

[Mandy Patinkin]

So did you.

[Kathryn Grody]

I know, I know, I know. But I just.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I tell you the story about one month when mom and I first went shopping.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, yes, you have.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes.

[Kathryn Grody]

Boring.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Yes, I think.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, I told you, but I haven't told the world.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, yeah, you have, you have. We've talked about it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Okay. Sorry. World not today.

[Kathryn Grody]

You thought Martin drove me across country.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

The story I heard, and many times was that Martin Sheen drove you across the country in some car to move you into your first apartment. You got there, there were tons of cockroaches, and you made him swear not to tell your dad that it was a filthy apartment because Then your dad would be worried about you.

[Kathryn Grody]

Honey, this is so. I know I've forgotten things, but I'm going to actually ask if that ever happened, because it never did. What I do remember is I was living with my boyfriend Jeffrey in a real serious, awful place on Avenue A and 9th in 1970 or 71. My dad was visiting and he was surprising us at that apartment. And I literally. I literally had. All I thought was, he's gonna see the bed when I sleep with Jeffrey on the floor. Filthy steps going up. We just moved in. It was one room.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

He'd be upset about the bed being full.

[Kathryn Grody]

Well, I didn't want my father really to question my relationship with this guy that I was living with and obviously sleep with. But I just thought it was a pretty sordid place. We just moved in. I hadn't been able to fix it up. And I remember my dad, you know, bouncing down 9th to a street. Just. I felt like I was having a hallucination seeing him there. I was very worried about him coming.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I never knew your dad came to New York after you moved there.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What else did he do with you? What else did he do there?

[Kathryn Grody]

He was at some conference.

[Mandy Patinkin]

For what, Big brothers?

[Kathryn Grody]

No, probably for insurance. But I know that he saw at 42nd street all these young women here. They look hungry. He brought sandwiches and didn't quite realize they were prostitutes on 42nd Street.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Your dad brought sandwiches to the prostitutes on 42nd street because they looked hungry?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes, he did.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Well, that's great.

[Kathryn Grody]

I mean, he didn't quite know what they were all doing there, but these young women look like they could use some food. So he had a bunch of sandwiches. He would pass out, and I was just like, story.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm not going where I'm thinking, how have we never.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

How have we never heard that?

[Kathryn Grody]

I bet you maybe.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no. Honey.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Grandpa. Sandwiches to sex workers in 40 seconds.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You don't forget it. Yeah, I never heard it. Did he take you to dinner?

[Kathryn Grody]

Well, he must have taken me.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Did you remember having a nice time with him?

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, I remember having a nice day

[Mandy Patinkin]

or two for a coffee.

[Kathryn Grody]

It's very brief. It was very brief.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Do you guys know what sounding is?

[Mandy Patinkin]

No.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Like the sexual act of sounding. It's. People insert, like, a solid metal rod into the penis hole of an erect penis for pleasure. It's called sounding. What do you think of that?

[Kathryn Grody]

I think that's not real. That's like your dream that you talked of with you being part animal and flowers.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Very real.

[Kathryn Grody]

I don't want to look it up because I really think people are getting so more peculiar and not.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What is wrong with that?

[Kathryn Grody]

Not practicing their good human things.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I would. I request that be cut from the episode as a sign that we were failed parents.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yeah, it's called.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's called parenting urethral sounding.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, God. Oh, my God.

[Mandy Patinkin]

This is.

[Kathryn Grody]

God, I do not need to know this.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It makes whatever I do inappropriate look like. Look like Candyland.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

We are pro sex and pro exploring our bodies on this show.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I never said that I was. That I never went down that road.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

It's just. It's simply the practice of inserting objects.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, here he goes.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Typically made of metal or silicone into the urethra for sexual gratification. Medical probes called sounds are often used giving the name. I mean, if consenting adults are doing that with their bodies, I think that's great.

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[Mandy Patinkin]

Maybe I could get you one of those items for.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

No, no. That would be inappropriate.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why?

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

A sounding kit from your dad is just. It's too much. It's too much.

[Kathryn Grody]

Oh, my God.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why? What if I got one for you and your partner? Can a woman also insert.

[Kathryn Grody]

Yes. There. She has parts that are insertable.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I don't know about that. It's mainly a penis.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What's the difference between a. Oh, let

[Kathryn Grody]

us not go there, honey. I'm 50 years.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Okay, guys, guess what. It's the end of the show.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, my God. We didn't call anybody. Nobody called in with.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

I know. This is because this is the freewheeling show.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, well, there's no advice, so don't listen to each other.

[Kathryn Grody]

Right.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

We probably had some advice somewhere.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Like, I don't want to listen to the sounding explanation.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Maybe your advice would be don't try sounding.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, don't listen to the end of this episode. If you get If. Yeah, don't listen to the last three, four minutes. Oh, Becky, come here.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

What's that big.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Here it is.

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

That is unreal. Thanks for tuning in, folks. We want to hear from you. Send us questions, stories, advice, cool dog tricks your dogs do, explanations of football, accurate or otherwise. You can send an email to ask mandyandcatherinemail.com or check out our socials for an easy way to send us a voice note. And don't forget to subscribe or follow us on YouTube, on Apple, and other places where you watch or listen to your podcasts.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And don't be frightened that we didn't have any questions to read. We'll have them another time. This was just an experiment.

[Kathryn Grody]

An experiment. Yeah,

[Gideon Grody Patinkin]

Don't Listen to Us is a Lemonada Media original hosted by Mandy Patinkin, Kathryn Grody and Gideon Grody Patinkin Created by Katrina Onstad, Debbie Pacheco and Gideon Grody Patinkin. Executive producers are Kathryn Grody, Gideon Grody Pitinkin, Mandy Patinkin, Katrina Onstadt, Debbie Pacheco, Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Whittles Wax. Our engineer is Ryan Derringer of Welterweight Sound. Video and audio production by Mark Whiteway of Bellows Media. You can watch on CNN.com watch or the CNN app. If you haven't subscribed to Lemonada Media Premium yet, now's the perfect time. You can hear Don't Listen to Us completely ad free. Plus you'll unlock exclusive bonus content like behind the scenes conversations, questions so weird they didn't make it on air, Becky the Dog shenanigans, and more. Just tap the subscribe button on Apple podcasts. Head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe on any other app, or listen ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership. That's lemonadapremium.com don't miss out.