Why Don’t I Feel like an Adult? And Revising Holiday Traditions

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Why Don’t I Feel like an Adult? And Revising Holiday Traditions"

Don’t Listen To Us with Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody (feat. Gideon Grody Patinkin & guest Sarah Levy) – Lemonada Media
Date: December 10, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode blends existential musings with family chaos, focusing on what “feeling like an adult” actually means in modern life, and how holiday (especially Jewish) traditions change over time. Hosts Mandy, Kathryn, and son Gideon—alongside guest Sarah Levy—explore listener questions with their signature mix of humor, candor, and warmth, sharing memories, recipes, and advice for revising rituals to fit evolving families.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Banter and Family Chaos

• Tone: Immediate warmth, banter, and self-deprecation dominate, including pajama preferences and a naked encounter with a "bear" (actually an umbrella).
  • Notable Moment: Gideon’s “bear incident.” (00:53-02:14)
  • Quote:
    "And I was naked because I was sleeping..." – Gideon, explaining his midnight 'bear scare' (01:26)

2. Food, Entertaining, and Recipes (05:24-13:00)

• Listener question about favorite dishes for entertaining.
• Mandy and Kathryn detail favorite Jewish dishes and family traditions—stuffing, cranberry sauce, charoset, lamb marinade, kugel, and Hanukkah latkes, noting sometimes making extra to enjoy leftovers.
  • Quote:
    “We make more of my mother’s stuffing for Thanksgiving, so there’ll be leftovers because we love it.” – Mandy (06:01)
• Kathryn reveals hiding chocolate cake for herself.
  • “I have been known to hide pieces of [flourless chocolate cake].” – Kathryn (06:55)
• Conversation turns nostalgic about New Year’s Eve, with a shared dislike of big parties, and stories of childhood food memories—tuna burgers, brisket, rice pudding, and cheesecake.
  • “I didn’t have to eat it [tongue] when they served it because the little bumps on the tongue sent me!” – Mandy about childhood aversion (10:14)
  • "You’re trying to look hot and sexy." – Gideon teasing Mandy about skipping fattening dairy (10:57)
• Kathryn once 'saved' Mandy's eyebrows from being shaved for a play. (11:18)

3. Listener Question: "Why Don't I Feel Like An Adult?" (14:42-21:18)

• Gemma (Australia) asks: At 29, she worries she’s never “felt like an adult." (15:03-16:28)
• Kathryn: Adulthood is a personal, evolving idea—often linked to separating from parents or making independent choices.
  • “I think you keep redefining what being an adult means. It’s an individual thumbprint.” – Kathryn (17:21)
  • She recalls feeling adult when loving someone her parents hated. (16:50)
• Mandy: Embraces childlike qualities, denies ever really feeling “grown up.”
  • “I’m not an adult. Anyone who knows me can attest to that. I’m a child. I will be till the day I die.” – Mandy (18:49)
• Gideon: Associations with rites of passage didn’t trigger adult feelings; driving alone did.
  • “Driving a car by yourself was like, I can bring this body anywhere now. And that was a magical, magical feeling.” – Gideon (20:16)
• The family agrees the concept is fluid and personal; no universal “adult” moment.

4. Traditions, Hanukkah, and Reinventing Rituals (22:00-39:08)

• Call-a-friend: Sarah Levy joins for a discussion on how Jewish holidays, especially Hanukkah, evolve in adulthood.
  • Nostalgic stories of large family celebrations now lost as relatives pass away.
  • “It’s completely different. Partly because everyone who was in charge of it is dead now.” – Sarah (26:41)
  • The sense of loss, nostalgia, and the gradual shrinking of festivities as families change.
• Kathryn misses childhood-style Hanukkahs but admits smaller celebrations now prompt nostalgia.
  • “It makes me very nostalgic for when we had a lot of people over. Now it’s just sort of immediate family.” – Kathryn (28:12)
• Sarah describes adapting traditions: hosting parties without presents, inventing new recipes (scallion and hint of sweet potato in latkes).
  • Quote:
    “We have created a new latke recipe... scallions and some sweet potato.” – Sarah (29:01)
• The group discusses the tension of maintaining old traditions vs. inventing new ones; the pressure to give children the same experience their parents had vs. being honest about change.
  • “Sometimes nowadays we go, oh, that’s not really necessary. But we don’t always make new traditions.” – Gideon (35:39)
  • Mandy advocates letting kids invent new rituals:
    “Let them invent a new tradition. I think they’d feel very proud about that.” (37:16)

Notable Hanukkah Memories & Insights

• Mandy: Baseball cards, jacks, and Lionel train set accessories as favorite presents.
• Sarah: Family arguments about how many songs to sing; her father always wanted more tradition (songs, rituals) vs. others just wanted to eat.
  • “The singing feels important. The lighting the candles feels really important. And talking about light and miracles and hope feels important.” – Sarah (33:24)
• Kathryn: The power of traditions that “bring light”—emphasizing hope as a form of resistance.
  • "'Hope is an act of resistance.' So that’s what I’ve decided to take with me on this day.” – Kathryn (34:29)

5. On the Evolution of Rituals and Joy (37:52-39:08)

• Sarah shares the tale of the Hanukkah candle dilemma (Hillel vs. Shammai): Light one candle and build up hope, rather than diminish it:
  • “There was a disagreement…should we start with eight candles and decrease, or light more each night…Hillel won. Who else is more fun?” – Sarah (38:29)
• Increasing joy, light, giving, and hope becomes the thematic takeaway for holidays.

6. Creating New Traditions & Songs (39:01-41:00)

• New Hanukkah song “Puppy for Hanukkah” (by Daveed Diggs) and Adam Sandler’s “Hanukkah Song” are proposed for the next generation.
  • “Can I come to your house for one night of Hanukkah?” – Kathryn (40:12)
  • “24/7 joy, hope, and miracles.” – Sarah, warmly accepting (40:29)
• Plan to exchange latke-making lessons and create fresh family joys.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On feeling like an adult:

  • "I’m not an adult. Anyone who knows me can attest to that. I’m a child. I will be till the day I die." – Mandy (18:49)
  • “I think you keep redefining what being an adult means. It’s an individual thumbprint.” – Kathryn (17:21)
  • “Driving a car by yourself was like, I can bring this body anywhere now...” – Gideon (20:16)

• On evolving tradition:

  • “It’s completely different. Partly because everyone who was in charge of it is dead now.” – Sarah (26:41)
  • "Let them invent a new tradition. I think they'd feel very proud about that." – Mandy (37:16)
  • "Hope is an act of resistance." – Kathryn (34:29)

• Funny/Endearing:

  • “I was naked because I was sleeping.” – Gideon, recounting his ‘bear’ scare (01:26)
  • “I have been known to hide pieces of that [flourless chocolate cake].” – Kathryn (06:55)

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Important Segments – Timestamps

• Bear/Umbrella Incident: 00:53–02:14
• Favorite Dishes & Leftovers: 05:24–13:00
• Listener: Feeling like an adult? 14:42–21:18
• Sarah Levy & Evolving Hanukkah Traditions: 22:00–39:08
• Creating New Traditions: 35:39–39:08

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Wrap Up: Tone & Takeaways

With unfiltered honesty and warmth, the Patinkin-Grody family (plus Sarah) affirm that adulthood is not a fixed destination and that traditions are meant to serve joy, connection, and meaning—not static repetition. Listeners are encouraged to honor old rituals but not be afraid to invent new ones, to cherish community, and to remember that hope—like lighting another candle each night—is always an act of resistance and renewal.

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For Listeners Seeking

• Wisdom, reassurance, and humor about “growing up,”
• Relatable stories on family, food, and togetherness,
• Permission to let tradition evolve,
• A front-row seat to loving, chaotic, multigenerational conversation—
  this episode is a gift.

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Send your own questions or stories to the show—or just listen for the comfort and laughter.

Transcript

[Sarah Levy]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

Lemonad.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Do you wear pajamas, you pajama people?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm. I'm a T shirt. Oh, you big T shirt. Extra, extra, extra large T shirt.

[Catherine Grody]

I'm in either silk pajamas or nothing.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Huh.

[Catherine Grody]

You know, because I read something that it's very healthy for you not to wear any clothes when you go to bed.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Wow. Usually you read things about stuff that's unhealthy for you. You also read stuff that's good for you.

[Catherine Grody]

Yes, I have enormous resources.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Do you know that a while ago, I was asleep and I was taking care of my brother's dog, and the dog started barking, like, incessantly. I knew something was unusual. I looked out the window and I saw a black bear in the yard. I was trying to get the dog to calm down, and I couldn't. And.

And I was banging on the window to try to scare the bear off, and I. And I couldn't. And then the dog wouldn't stop barking, so I grabbed two pots and pans and went outside.

[Catherine Grody]

You went outside with the bear?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And I was naked because I was. I was sleeping.

[Catherine Grody]

How dumb are you?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, I was close enough to the door where I could run home if the bear started charging me. And so I go out and I start banging the pots. Naked. I trip the electric light switch so I get flooded in light banging the pots. And when the lights come on in the yard, I see it was a black, open umbrella that had blown into the yard.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Were you able to scare it away?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

No, it had. It had no reaction to me. So it was just a crazy naked man banging pots against toying an umbrella. But I spent, like, before I got out with my pots, man, I spent like 20 minutes trying to scare away the umbrella.

[Catherine Grody]

Did that make you think you needed a new prescription or something for glasses? That you mistook an umbrella for a bear?

Yeah, it's a little peculiar then.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Something not quite right with me, really. Anyway, that's one way to scare away a bear that doesn't exist.

Welcome to Don't Listen to Us. I am Gideon Grodipatenkin.

[Catherine Grody]

And I am Catherine.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Great. You don't have to give your last name if you don't want. If you want to just keep it private. Yeah, dad. Who are you?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Menachem Mendel Ben Eliezer?

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah. What does all that mean that is his Hebrew name. Don't you even know that?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Menachem Mendel. Menachem Mendel is my Menachem. My Hebrew name.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Menachem is a name is Mendel in Hebrew.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Mendel is the Yiddish name. It means. Mandel means. Mendel means Mandal, which is. Means almond. So they named me after a nut. Thank you, mom and dad and. And Ben, son of Eliezer, my father, Lester. His Hebrew name was Eliezer. So what is your Hebrew name?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Gideon.

[Catherine Grody]

No, you have a Hebrew name.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Gidon. Gidon. So Gidon Ben Menachem Mendel. Yeah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, wow. Shocked you've never called me that before. Wait, the. The first one is Menachem.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Menachem is my Hebrew name. Mendel is my Yiddish name.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

So what's my Yiddish name?

[Catherine Grody]

I don't know what his Yiddish name is. You had to get a. You had to get a Hebrew name for your progress.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You don't have one. Yeah, you just don't.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, that's exciting.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'll get to Yiddish name if you want. Look, if.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

If anybody needs some calm, look what I brought today. This is.

[Catherine Grody]

I'm so sorry I can't put you to sleep immediately.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

How. How does that make you feel? A little ding dong.

[Catherine Grody]

I like that. Sound good.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

So if you're annoying each other, you give me a signal and I'll go then.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah, you'll be doing that. How often would you say, huh?

[Mandy Patinkin]

You don't annoy him as often as you.

[Catherine Grody]

As I annoy you?

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, you never annoy me.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And Catherine is working on her faces to just let Mandy speak if he's having a thought. She's working on going. I mean, if you're watching it on YouTube, you'll see sometimes, keep your eye.

[Mandy Patinkin]

On me and watch what I do. I close my eyes while I'm talking so I don't have to see her faces telling me to shut the fuck up.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

I know, that's good.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I worry if she's making faces, it means she's at least listening to me, and that's all I care about.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

There you go. That's something.

Okay, let's get to our first listener question today. It's an email from sue, and it's about entertaining. Sue writes, I'm sure you've both entertained friends and family a lot over the years. I'd love to know your best and most popular dish or appetizer. And is there something you like to make for parties? Because you like it, but usually no one else does, so, you know, there will be leftovers Smiley cry, laughy face. My part.

[Mandy Patinkin]

My.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

My party favorites are liver pate with mushrooms and sweet onions. And Bloody Mary jell is basically a slightly spicy tomato with paste with vodka in it. I love them both, and it's rare. I don't have leftovers of at least one of them. Bloody Mary jello. That sounds really awful. Bloody. Just terrible idea.

[Mandy Patinkin]

If you have me over for dinner, you'll have my portion left over, that's for sure.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Have you guys ever done this? Made something knowing that people won't eat a lot of it so that you get all the leftovers?

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, no, no, no. That's not true. We make more of my mother's stuffing for Thanksgiving, so there'll be leftovers because we love it. And I also make more cranberry sauce.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah. And tons of harosis for Passover. I mean, I make vats of it because we eat it all week, but that's just the opposite. I've never made anything for people knowing they won't like it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

On Rosh Hashanah, we have a butterfly lamb that we. What's it called? Marinade.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

In a half a cup of equal proportions, I should say, of shoyu and honey. And then tons of garlic that we chop up and stab it all over the butterfly lamb, put it in big baggies, put it in the fridge so it's overnight, and then we eat that for a week. We make extra, so we have extra lamb because we love it.

[Catherine Grody]

I do. I do love Tina Jacobson's.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm gonna open up these windows so we have a little more air.

[Catherine Grody]

Flourless chocolate cake. I think it's the best I've ever had.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, yeah.

[Catherine Grody]

And I have been known to hide pieces of that.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Do we make any things for Hanukkah in particular?

[Catherine Grody]

Latkes. Dad makes great latkes.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's a nightmare. You remember trying to.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah, but I got a great video out of it.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

You guys were just in the kitchen. I was filming you. You covered in sweat, angry, frustrated, and really hard. Potato sweat.

[Catherine Grody]

Dad used to make great potato.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, I think we got to just follow my mother's recipe a little.

[Catherine Grody]

That's true.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah. You were both yelling at each other, referencing four different recipes from six different.

[Catherine Grody]

So my kugel has taken a downturn. It used to be really delicious. And I've forgotten. I do something. It's. It's not as moist as it may be.

[Mandy Patinkin]

For. It's not for entertaining. It's for entertaining Catherine and myself. Our. Our New Year's Eve meal, which is sour cream clam sauce. Spaghetti with sour cream clam sauce. So we always make extra because the leftover is much better.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Than the.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And clams from the can, right?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, baby clams from the can.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

What kind of can? Always. Same company.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, it usually is from the grocery store. We get it for. It usually is. And they're probably poisonous for you.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

How did that dish become to be your New Year's dish?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Miles Chapin, my friend Ted Chapin's brother Miles made it.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And I loved it. And then there was a New Year's Eve, and I said, let me try and make this. And I called him and he gave it to me. And we made it just the way he said. And we've kept to it and. And it became our meal.

[Catherine Grody]

And we like New Year's. We are. We are very. Just duo New Year celebrators. We don't like New Year's parties, particularly. We found that out on our very first New Year's in 79. Very big, big, big, big. I'm in bed by 8, and dad looked at me and said, so that's.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Like every other guy.

[Catherine Grody]

I think I said it too. I said, I have to tell you something. I really don't like New Year's Eve parties. And he said, neither do I. And that was the last one we went to.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And we kissed. And I said, I think you marry me.

[Catherine Grody]

I think we went.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

I might have inherited that from you. I don't really care for parties.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And then there's tuna burgers. David Block's mother's tuna burgers, which I love.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Always make extra from childhood. That stayed childhood.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Second grade, o' Keeffe school, went over to Dave Block's house. Mom made tuna burgers.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Is he still with us? David Block?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm sure he is. I hope he is. And. And then his mother made the tuna burgers called. My mother gave her the recipe. She used Miracle Whip for quite a while. And then Catherine didn't like Miracle Whip for some reason, so we used mayonnaise.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Right. Ma, do you have a dish from childhood that you remember? Or holiday dish or childhood dish? Oh, I know. Your mom used to make you tongue and rose petal sandwiches.

[Catherine Grody]

No, honey. Boy, that is how a story gets. That was Gregory. That was Gregory.

I can't remember his last name. He was Armenian. And it was white Wonder bread with mayonnaise with rose petal sandwiches. I couldn't get over it. It was so beautiful to look at. But that was not my mom's.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, what did you get Sent to school with.

[Catherine Grody]

I have absolutely no memory of when I got school. Sent to school. That's interesting. Nuns.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Tongue wasn't a part of it.

[Catherine Grody]

Tongue. My mom served tongue at home, but.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I didn't have to eat it when they served it because the little. Little bumps on the tongue sent me.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

No, that was kind of a big thing in Jewish homes.

[Catherine Grody]

It was a big thing in Jewish homes. And brisket.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Pickled tongue.

[Catherine Grody]

Brisket and tongue. And my mom made great rice pudding and she made great cheesecake. And I still have her little recipe box.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, we should. We should make a cheesecake I've never had.

[Mandy Patinkin]

My mom always made Philadelphia cream cheese. Hors d'. Oeuvres, White silver cup bread cut into circles. You make the stuff with the egg and the Philadelphia cream cheese and the paprika. I'm not sure what else. And then you spread it. You toast the bread. Spread it on, broil it. I'm in heaven.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Why, why don't you ever make those?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm trying not to have too much dairy.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Because you're trying to look.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And they're pretty fattening.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Because you're trying to look hot and sexy.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. I want to be attractive to your mother.

[Catherine Grody]

You've always been attractive.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Let's talk about that.

[Catherine Grody]

Even when I wasn't a mother. Anyway, none of these are answering sexy questions.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What is the most attractive? How do you find it attractive? Is it my eyebrows?

[Catherine Grody]

I found your curiosity and you're never giving up. Ness. And your eyebrows, which I saved.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

You saved his eyebrows?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yes.

[Catherine Grody]

Because when he was in this one play, Paradise Found, he was playing a unit and so he was going to shave his eyebrows and I said, you can't do that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

The preacher asked me, shave them?

[Catherine Grody]

Yes. And I said, no, you will not.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

So you saved his eyebrows from being chauvin. You did. He didn't shave them off. And then you.

[Catherine Grody]

I don't think is.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Keep them.

[Catherine Grody]

Yes, I.

[Mandy Patinkin]

So it's a word.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

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[Catherine Grody]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

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[Catherine Grody]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

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[Catherine Grody]

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[Mandy Patinkin]

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[Catherine Grody]

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[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We're going to move on to the next question. Yes, this is from Gemma in Australia and it's a voice note so we can put our headphones in there. This is a question several people have asked and you probably have in your life too.

It's definitely worth listen Here is Gemma's note.

[Gemma]

G', Day, Mandy, Catherine, and Gideon. My name is Gemma, and if you can't already tell from the sound of my voice, I am in fact recording this from Australia. I stumbled across your podcast idea and I thought about how cool it would be to be a part of this new community that you guys are building. And to be able to do that from the other side of the world is actually pretty amazing. So here I am. Hello and g' day from down under. A little about me. I play the trombone. I once lived in a van and traveled around Australia during COVID And I've also had something like 14 different jobs over the years, including things like working in sales. I've been a radio host, a taxi driver, and even a school teacher, just to name a few. Now, I say all of this in the lead up to ask you but one question. Have any of you ever had that moment where you finally feel like an adult? I'm not having a midlife crisis, I promise. I'm only 29 years old.

[Catherine Grody]

Oh, my God.

[Gemma]

I've never had that moment. And I'm starting to wonder, what if I never, truly ever feel like an adult. How do you know when you've become who you're meant to be? Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to my mini existential meaning of life crisis. I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Thank you, Gemma.

[Catherine Grody]

Thank you, Gemma. This is. Gemma is gone.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Gemma's gone.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

That was just, you know, was there a moment where you felt when you were younger that you were an adult now? Like, was it when you're getting a first job or your driver's license or a first experience or relationship? Or is that.

[Sarah Levy]

I don't know.

[Catherine Grody]

I think supporting yourself, not depending on parents.

Separating from your parents in some way about making decisions. I felt very adult when I fell in love with somebody my parents hated when I was like, 22.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Because you still went ahead with it.

[Catherine Grody]

Because I went ahead and I loved this person and I knew they could not stand him.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Who was it?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Jeffrey.

[Catherine Grody]

Jeffrey?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, yeah.

[Catherine Grody]

He threw a chicken at you. He did have some.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

If you're out there, that's the reason she would never throw a chicken at her.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Every other guy she was with threw a chicken at her. Yeah, I'm the only one who did it.

[Catherine Grody]

I mean, it's interest.

It is interesting. I think you keep redefining what being an adult means. And I don't think one adult is like another. I think it's an individual thumbprint. Do you know like, like fingerprints are all individual. So I hate the idea of somebody saying, you're not acting like an adult. If I'm laughing hysterically, why can't a person my age laugh hysterically?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

I mean, it's interesting to me. We've gotten sort of this question from many, many people.

[Catherine Grody]

Really?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah. And like, why are people so interested in this question? Why are we obsessed with this idea of that marker or this idea of progress or growing up? Like, it's interesting how many different people that came from.

[Catherine Grody]

I mean, does adult mean age or does it adult mean accomplished in your work? Or does adult mean finished with something? Or.

I'm just having this image of the. The butterfly, you know, the caterpillar to the butterfly. And I don't know. It's an interesting question.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

I don't know.

[Catherine Grody]

I don't think I've ever had a thought in my head where I'm going to be an adult now. And that is going to be my goal. Was it when I became. When I married, when I became a parent, when I, you know, I don't know, just a human? I prefer to be a human and a non defined human, ageless, non defined, non categorizable human. What about you, honey?

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm not an adult. Anyone who knows me can attest to that. I'm a child. I will be till the day I die. Any day that I might feel like an adult, I'll wait until that feeling passes, as my mother used to say, and I'll think that I may have died.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Was there a moment like mom had dating somebody that her parents didn't like? That she said, fucking? Anyway, is there a moment from your youth where you felt like, oh, this is, this is a demarcation. I feel like a grown up in a different way than I have before.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I just remember my mother saying things to Catherine like, well, I know there are no allergies in your family, but there's plenty. And in other words, basically what she would say to you were things like the allergy thing. There were things like, wait till you get to know Mandy, then you won't probably stay, right?

[Catherine Grody]

No. She said, honey, when you said we were getting married, she said, oh, I thought you'd lose her.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And when we said, there you go, that's perfect. And when we said, you thought I'd lose her? Yeah, she thought I'd lose her.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's meaning I'm not good enough for.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Her and she liked me.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Thank you, Mom.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Nice.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, great. Love her. I do love her and gave me.

[Catherine Grody]

A lot how do you feel about that definition and what?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, I thought it was, you know, I got bar mitzvah. I didn't feel like an adult at 13 years old. You know, it's supposed to be. I had sex when I was 16. I didn't feel like an adult then. I think the big thing that felt like freedom, a new thing, was being able to drive a car.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Driving a car by yourself was like, I can bring this body anywhere now. And that was a magical, magical feeling.

[Catherine Grody]

Do you remember that moment when you were about to go drive across country and it was three in the morning and you put your arms around me and dad and you said, okay, listen, guys, just remember, shit happens. And if anything happens to me, just remember, I've had the best 18 years anybody could have. And then you drove up Amsterdam in the wrong lane, and dad and I were just sobbing, we'll never see him again. Yeah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, I'll say this. A portion of that story is true.

[Catherine Grody]

That is entirely true story.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

It wasn't three in the morning. It was the morning. I remember I turned left on Amsterdam. But you know what? I don't want to take that away from you.

[Catherine Grody]

Okay. Thank you.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And imagination is a wonderful thing.

[Catherine Grody]

Okay, Gemma, Just enjoy yourself. You're having a wonderful life.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah. Let us know if you ever.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And I love you.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Feel like you're an adult. Be curious when that happens for you.

Okay, so you guys can put your headphones here.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We are going back into.

Our Call a friend segment, and we've got a friend on the line here to help us dive into this next fun question and can say hello to our friends. See if you guys can figure out.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I know who I did.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Hello, friend.

[Catherine Grody]

Hello, friend. Hello, hello. Oh, my God.

[Sarah Levy]

Sarah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, that didn't take long. It's Sarah Levy.

[Sarah Levy]

Guessed right.

[Catherine Grody]

Oh, my God. Well, we had to do a podcast to hear each other's voices.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We've got on the line our dear friend, Sarah Levy. I grew up thinking that me and Sarah were cousins and found out that we weren't at the age of 12 and was just shocked. And we were very close friends with her family and her mom and dad and her sister. And Sarah is an amazing actress, performer, writer, educator, mom, human being, and one.

[Catherine Grody]

Of the great laughs on the earth, which I still want a recording of.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, we're recording this right now.

[Catherine Grody]

And get it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Laugh like five times already. Keep her laughing.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

How you doing, Sarah?

[Sarah Levy]

I'm great. I'm so happy to be talking to all of you.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Who are you happiest the most to be talking to.

[Sarah Levy]

I'm not gonna fall for that.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Gideon's the safe answer. Gideon. Gideon's the safe answer.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, just for a little more background. Mom, you met Sarah's mom.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Who is known as Kretzer Kretz in Hebrew school.

[Catherine Grody]

Yes. I was utterly miserable. I was 12 or 13, and I had to go to this thing every.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, my God.

[Catherine Grody]

Becky.

[Mandy Patinkin]

All right, I'll let her out. Relax, relax. Sorry, listeners.

[Catherine Grody]

Sorry, listener.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We all jumped three feet.

[Catherine Grody]

Wait, we're gonna.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We're gonna give anyone a heart attack out there. We are. Becky's responsible. So, mom, you were saying you met Kratz real quick?

[Catherine Grody]

I was utterly distraught. I really. I've never been a suicidal person, but when I think about it, that was as depressed as I've ever gotten. And Sarah's mother, Carol Kretzer Levy, saved my teenage life. She was.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I've gotten you pretty depressed at times.

[Catherine Grody]

Yes, honey, but I'm talking about. I didn't know you went.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

She saved your life.

[Catherine Grody]

She saved my life. She just was so damn funny, and she had such a perspective, and she didn't. She helped me just sort of pass the class, and she became a lifelong friend.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And, Sarah, your dad was an amazing rabbi.

[Sarah Levy]

Yes.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

That we all loved.

[Gemma]

Yeah.

[Sarah Levy]

He was executive director of the Los Angeles Hillels, which is the college Jewish college organization.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Rabbi Richard Levy.

[Sarah Levy]

He was the director of the rabbinical school at Hebrew Union College in Los Angeles, which is the Reform rabbinical school.

[Catherine Grody]

He was always our go to person every time we had a question.

[Sarah Levy]

Same.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

So we've got a question here from Adam. Adam wrote in. Dear Mandy, Catherine and Gideon and Sarah, I'm sure he would have said if he knew you were here with us. Hanukkah is coming up. And I've noticed that in my family, we have celebrated it less and less over the years as the kids have grown up. We used to play the dreidel game and sing the songs and really do eight nights of presents. And now we get the menorah going at the beginning and then kind of get to lighting the candles through the week, if we remember, and just do presents on a night or two. I'm wondering how your Hanukkah or other Jewish holiday celebrations have changed or stayed the same since you were kids, and how important is it to you to maintain those traditions as you get older and your kids get older. Thanks. From Adam. What do you guys think of Adam's question?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Not so good.

[Catherine Grody]

Oh, I think it's a great question. Sarah thinks it's a great question.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

What comes up for you, Sarah, right away?

[Sarah Levy]

Well, one thing I noticed about Adam's great question was that he was noticing things that he and his family do or do not do. And I would. I'm interested in that. I notice that we haven't. We're not celebrating as much as we used to, and I. I'm interested in that. You know, to what extent does Adam feel he. They has control over what the family does. So would you like that to change? Are you happy with how things are, or would you like them to be different?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah. How is it in your house with the holidays? Do you feel your Hanukkah has stayed similar to when you were a kid? Or is it where.

[Sarah Levy]

No, it's completely different. Partly because everyone who was in charge of it is dead now.

That's just something we all have to deal with that in. In my family, the siblings, my grandmother and her brother and her stepsister, they would take turns with hosting all the major holidays.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah.

[Sarah Levy]

And so Hanukkah was at my grandmother's house. And it would be the entire massive family and various, you know, partners, temporary and long lasting. And it was huge. We would have big boxes of presents and the brisket and the singing and the candles and the whole thing. But, you know, my sister and I, well, we moved away and the whole family kind of scattered and there. What. There's not that central home aspect anymore that there used to be. So.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You know, what I've picked up from this part of the discussion is that if you're gonna choose to be in charge of the holiday celebrations, think twice, because you're gonna be dead.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Don't start something you can't finish.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's right.

[Catherine Grody]

What I realized, one of my problems is I loved Hanukkah when the kids were little. I loved lighting the candles every day. We had little presents in my family. We got little tiny things. And then on the last night of Hanukkah, a big thing.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And we try to do it for.

[Catherine Grody]

The grandkids, and we try to do it, but it makes me very nostalgic, you know, for when we had a lot of people over. Now it's just sort of immediate family. Do you find any chosen kin, people that you can sort of recreate what you loved about those bigger events that you've done, or does it stay pretty small?

[Sarah Levy]

We have done some Hanukkah parties at our house. Not with. Not with presents. I find the presents thing complicated and tricky. So not that. But we have created a new latke recipe that is now, you know, the Next Generations latke recipe.

[Mandy Patinkin]

But can you say what the nature of it is?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah. What's the new innovation?

[Sarah Levy]

Not secret ingredients are some scallions and some sweet potato.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, nice.

[Sarah Levy]

It's really good now.

[Mandy Patinkin]

So it's a sweet potato latke.

[Sarah Levy]

Well, just like. Just a hint of sweet potato. It's like five regular potatoes to one sweet potato. And then others.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Mandy is diligently writing this down.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And then what are the other things you put in it?

[Sarah Levy]

I mean, scallions are part of it. And then. I don't know. I've. My husband has been the one who's been doing make. He's taken that over the latke making.

[Catherine Grody]

Wow.

[Sarah Levy]

So that's new, too.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I need to have a conversation with him because I. I couldn't. I couldn't make them stay together in the pan. I. Something. I. Something. Did I did something wrong?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Sarah, do you. I don't know if you saw that video I made of them making the latkes, but I walked into the house, and they were both just haggard, messy hair, sweating buckets, just full of anger, rage, and confusion.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Full of latke. Full of latke.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Just trying to make these.

[Gemma]

Yeah.

[Catherine Grody]

And also because it was something you could count on over the years, and suddenly we couldn't recreate it, right? Yes.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why do you think Andy Kaufman's character in Taxi was named Latke?

[Sarah Levy]

Oh, good.

[Catherine Grody]

Good question.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

It's funny. Funny to name a character after a potato pancake.

[Catherine Grody]

So do you look forward to the holiday, Sarah, or does it make you sad for what the differences are? Or both.

[Sarah Levy]

It's both. I mean, some of it is, you know, knowing and mourning the fact that I can't recreate it. I can't give my own child the same thing that we had because people are not here and we live in a different place. And so it definitely reminds me of that kind of loss.

[Gemma]

But also.

[Sarah Levy]

That'S how it is. And, you know, I guess for me, one of the things I think about is, well, okay, if I tune out other people's voices and other noise of what am I supposed to do? What would so and so want me to do? And then it can kind of become okay, but what's important to me? What do I want? So trying for that.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah.

Do you guys have any specific Hanukkah memories from childhood? Mom, dad?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah, I got baseball cards often on the nights, or a set of jacks, you know, little presents. I'd get one big present, which is Usually something for my Lionel train set, like a car or an accessory. But most of the nights were little presents, which I really love. Baseball cards. I love the. I love the bubble gum in them. I love the jacks. Marbles. Got special marbles. Paddle balls. We got paddle balls from we folks. Toy store. And those are the things I remember.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Did you do a lot of singing of songs?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah. Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel. I made it out of clay when it's dry and ready.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Hey.

These are all good.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Everything they sang in Diary of Anne Frank, the big.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

These are all good for the podcast. All public domain. If you're ever in the mood for a song that you don't need the rights to just sing some Hanukkah songs.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm curious, Sarah, with Connor, what do you say to him on holidays or special occasions of the wisdom nature or not wisdom, even things that you want him to really get into his soul, that you use the holiday to highlight that you. You know, that you just. Is there something that you constantly repeat that your mom and dad said or.

I.

[Sarah Levy]

We. I think there. There's something that we.

That has remained a tradition, which is a constant family disagreement of how much to do versus how little to do. So my dad would always want to sing more songs and do more of this. And then the rest of the family was sort of like, enough already. Let's eat. So, you know, I think I faced that with my own child of wanting to do the things and sometimes his not so much wanting to.

But I. The singing is. It feels important. The lighting the candles feels really important. And talking about light and miracles and hope feels important.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

What was your dad's favorite song of the ones he loved to keep pounding out?

[Sarah Levy]

Oh, man. Anyone. That was really long.

It would take a really long time. I think Ma Oz Tsur was one that he.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Is that the one?

What about the. But on Passover days.

All the verses of Khad Gad Yah. Did your dad do all those verses?

[Sarah Levy]

Yes, we would do those verses. And we. We still do that with. We do different sounds for the different animals. So everyone takes apart.

[Mandy Patinkin]

All right. Because you do the English version.

[Sarah Levy]

Yeah, we do the English version.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Yeah.

[Catherine Grody]

I must say, Sarah, that I think light. Any ceremony that brings light at this time is really important to do, whether it's Hanukkah or every Friday night.

You know, I heard as I was listening to a podcast about the human being extinct, I heard the very same guy that wrote a book about that saying, hope is an act of resistance. So that's what I've decided to take with me on this day.

[Sarah Levy]

One thing I love about the story of Hanukkah is that it, you know, it's a minor holiday. It's not in the, you know, five books of Moses, and it came up later. So there is, to me, a kind of choose your own adventure of, okay, how do you want to celebrate it? You can.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And I love that you don't like the. Yeah, I love that you don't like the present part, because that's the part that they added to compete with Christmas.

[Sarah Levy]

Yeah, it's true.

[Gemma]

It's.

[Mandy Patinkin]

It's commercialism. It's. It's. It's. Yeah, it was commercialism, period. You know, a way to make money for. I mean, toy.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

That's the part they added to Christmas, too, you know.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah, the presence.

[Sarah Levy]

The presence.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah, that's right.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Well, I mean, the next year, after Jesus died, they didn't.

[Catherine Grody]

Wasn't present.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Are you serious?

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

I don't know. I'm not. I'm not a biblical scholar. That's just my guess.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I can't imagine that's true.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

But wait, there's this one question that I like, which is, you know.

Can we. Should we. How do we give our kids the same experiences we had? You know, I think we feel sometimes, like, compelled to repeat what our parents did with us or the good things of their. Like, to honor them or because we had good memories.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Tradition.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yeah, tradition. But then I think sometimes nowadays we go, oh, that's not really necessary. But we don't always make new traditions. I think it's one thing if you let go of the old stuff because you didn't find it that meaningful, but then you kind of gotta find some new stuff. And that's, I think, a thing in our family, as close as we are, that I'd really like to do better at just even whether it's connected to the past or your ancestors or just, like, making new traditions and rituals, I think is such a fun thing to do, especially for kids.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And we, so far, aren't great at it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, but it's great. I mean, it takes in my favorite word, which is connect. Because if you do the old traditions and it connects you to the old times, the old folks, etc. If you do the new ones, it's connecting you to the needy people in the world. The world, the planet, the people suffering in places. And, you know, what. What. What should we wish for them? What should we send them? You know, that's part of donations Money, food, light, you know, life support. But I think.

[Catherine Grody]

I think it's also a way you can. You can share your experiences, Sarah, or I can share mine as a part of a storytelling thing. You know, just like you share stories of ancient ancestors and bring them back to your table with stories that are just wonderful to hear without the comparison to your own new rituals. I would also include feeling, you know, lame in comparison.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I would also encourage all parents and grandparents to ask their children what they would like to do, what tradition they would like to create, or one of the old ones that they heard about from grandmas or grandpas or great grandmas or great grandpas, or what they heard about in school or the world or from a friend and let them invent a new tradition. I think they'd feel very proud about that. Yeah.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Did I lose you on that one?

[Sarah Levy]

No, no. I was thinking. I was thinking.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's okay.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

You can feel free thinking. Thinking is good. Thinking is good.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That's something I never do.

[Sarah Levy]

Well, there's a disagreement that I love about Hanukkah, and we go with the second one, but there was a disagreement between Rabbi Hillel and Rabbi Shammai in days of yore. That's a technical term. And Shammai thought that there should be. We should light. We should start with lighting eight candles the first night and then go less and less each night. And Hillel thought, no, we should start from none and go all the way to 8. And Hillel, as usual, won.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Why did he win?

[Sarah Levy]

Well, I mean, Shammais was kind of depressing. I think of, like, oh, we're gonna start at 8, and then we're gonna.

Hanukkah.

So who else is more fun?

[Catherine Grody]

But absolutely.

[Sarah Levy]

What are the ways, I think, for Hanukkah specifically? How do we want to increase joy, light, giving, hope?

I really like thinking about those questions.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I'm writing them down so I don't forget to mention them when we're sitting with the youngins. Yeah, well, and the old ones.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Sarah, will you let us. Will you let us know how your Hanukkah, this upcoming Hanukkah, goes for you and. And what new things or old things you did and how you were able to incorporate those things.

[Sarah Levy]

And, oh, man, it's gonna be amazing.

[Catherine Grody]

But, you know, and here's. Here's what I was gonna say, that.

[Sarah Levy]

Newer ones, to me, newer songs of. This isn't so new, but Adam Sandler's the Hanukkah Song, and now David Diggs. I don't Know if you've heard this one, but puppy for Hanukkah.

[Catherine Grody]

Oh, what does it have, David Diggs?

[Mandy Patinkin]

What is it? Did you say uppie?

[Sarah Levy]

Puppy.

Dog for Hanukkah.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Okay, we're gonna listen to that.

[Sarah Levy]

That one I didn't have when I was growing up. Now it's just. Yeah, we love it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

And what is Adam Sandler's Hanukkah song called?

[Sarah Levy]

I think it's just called the Hanukkah song.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

The Hanukkah song.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Okay, good.

[Sarah Levy]

I cry when I hear it.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, yeah, it's still golden. It's a good 30 years old.

[Catherine Grody]

Yeah, well, it's gonna be new to me, so thank you for introducing me.

[Sarah Levy]

Oh, you're gonna love it.

[Catherine Grody]

And Sarah, Sarah, here's a really radical idea that we can start seeing if we can arrange now. Can I come to your house for one night of Hanukkah?

[Sarah Levy]

Oh, yeah.

[Catherine Grody]

Okay, great. All right.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And will you come to ours?

[Catherine Grody]

And will you come to ours, wherever that may be? Yes, please.

[Sarah Levy]

24 7. Joy, hope and miracles.

[Catherine Grody]

Okay, that's beautiful.

[Mandy Patinkin]

If possible, could I get there with Katharine before your sweetheart makes the latkes so that I could have a hands on lesson?

[Sarah Levy]

Yes, you can.

[Mandy Patinkin]

That would be helpful.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

And then when you guys come over here, we'll teach you these stressed out. Cursing, angry, sweating, miserable.

[Catherine Grody]

Just so you have really a lot.

[Sarah Levy]

Of choice, new traditions for everyone.

[Catherine Grody]

Let us, let us find out on the calendar when that is so we can start working on it. Maybe make it happen.

[Sarah Levy]

Yes, I love that.

[Catherine Grody]

Okay, love to all of you.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Will you talk to us some other time about something else?

[Sarah Levy]

Yes, anything.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Thank you, Sarah. And the check's in the mail.

[Sarah Levy]

Okay, love you all.

[Catherine Grody]

Bye, Sarah.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Bye.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Good girl, Becky. Becky has joined us once again. She was outside looking for a squirrel. She's back. She has received a liver treat, which I tried last episode.

[Catherine Grody]

He really did try to eat that. That was the most frightening thing.

[Mandy Patinkin]

You almost didn't make it to this episode.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

It was not one of my better decisions.

[Catherine Grody]

You know, I've read that I. I read that dogs don't have much.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Don't make that feeling.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

The dog has now been looking for more affection and she is annoyed.

[Catherine Grody]

Don't. Dogs don't have any taste buds. All their sensory stuff is olfactory in their noses. They have like 200 extra sensory things in their noses than we do, but not much.

[Mandy Patinkin]

She comes up to you and asks for a little love, and you go, you know, did you want to see what you did?

[Catherine Grody]

You go, she didn't see me, honey.

[Mandy Patinkin]

She feels everything.

[Catherine Grody]

Well, she. My face said one thing and my hand did something.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Don't you think mom has been generous in her co ownership of the dog?

[Catherine Grody]

Yes, I have.

[Mandy Patinkin]

No, that's why I brought it up. I wanted to thank generosity and love that she's given the family and especially Becky.

[Sarah Levy]

Becky.

[Catherine Grody]

Yes.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I can't. I can't put it in.

[Catherine Grody]

This is a good shirt. That's why I don't want her snuffling all over it.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Well, don't wear a good shirt.

[Catherine Grody]

Well, I didn't know Becky.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

All right, guys, I think that's all the time we have this week. Thank you to Sarah for calling in. Thank you, Becky, for her barking.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Gemma.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Gemma, we want to hear from you. You can send us your latke recipes or holiday recipes or spicy jello molds. What have new traditions. Old traditions.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Remind me to tell the story of cousin Gilly and the green jello.

[Catherine Grody]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We will have that story next time, I'm sure.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Worth tuning in for.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Yes. And we want to hear anything and everything from you. You can send us an [e-mail] or check out our socials for an easy way to send us a voice note. Thanks so much for tuning in. And please remember, don't listen to us. Don't do it.

[Catherine Grody]

Don't.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Bye.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Hey.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

We couldn't say goodbye.

[Mandy Patinkin]

We wanted you to know one more thing.

[Catherine Grody]

Oh.

It is.

[Mandy Patinkin]

I can't remember. It was such a special thing. It was the kind of thing that really changes the course of one's day and kind of turns your whole life around in such a positive way.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, yeah. You were gonna share that?

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, my.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, it's so.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Wish I could remember.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

So moving.

[Catherine Grody]

It is so. That's one of my favorites too.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Oh, I remember.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Oh, what is it?

[Catherine Grody]

Oh, but we don't have time.

[Mandy Patinkin]

Honey, if you hadn't just said that, I might have. Okay, I just lost it again.

[Gideon Grodipatenkin]

Don't Listen to Us is a Lemonada Media original hosted by Mandy Patinkin, Kathryn Grody and Gideon Grody Patinkin. Created by Katrina Onstad, Debbie Pacheco and Gideon Grody Patinkin. Executive producers are Catherine Grody, Gideon Grody Padinkin, Mandy Padinkin, Katrina Onstadt, Debbie Pacheco, Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Whittles Wax. Our engineer is Ryan Derringer of Welterweight sound. Video and audio production by Mark Whiteway of Bellows Media. If you haven't subscribed to Lemonada Media Premium yet. Now's the perfect time. You can hear Don't Listen to us completely ad free. Plus you'll unlock exclusive bonus content like behind the scenes conversations, questions so weird they didn't make it on air, Becky the Dog shenanigans, and more. Just tap the subscribe button on Apple podcasts. Head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe on any other app, or listen ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership. That's lemonadapremium.com don't miss out.