Mobb Mentality w/ Havoc of Mobb Deep!

Summary

Podcast Summary: DOPE AS USUAL – “Mobb Mentality w/ Havoc of Mobb Deep!”

Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Dope as Yola (Thomas), Marty O’Neill
Guest: Havoc (Mobb Deep)
Episode Theme:
A deep, entertaining conversation with Havoc about conspiracy theories, hip-hop legacy, creative process, Mobb Deep’s final album, the music industry, and personal stories—delivered with the podcast’s signature balance of humor, sincerity, and east coast/west coast banter.

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Main Themes & Purpose

This episode centers on:

• Havoc’s reflections on Mobb Deep's enduring legacy and the making of their final group album “The Infinite.”
• A candid examination of hip-hop culture—past, present, and future—including new artists, the state of the industry, and the influence of technology.
• Stories and philosophies from Havoc’s life and career, touching on creativity, authenticity, and memorable moments from touring, collaborations, and personal life.
• Lively diversions into conspiracies, AI, drugs, and movies, maintaining the podcast’s irreverent, curious, and unfiltered tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Maps, Conspiracies, and “Questioning Everything”

• Obsession with maps and hidden lands

  • Havoc and the hosts laugh about antique maps, lost continents, and government secrets.

  “I think they hiding the truth from us.” – Havoc (01:18)

  • Discussion dives into flat Earth theories, restricted regions, and suspicions about space travel.
  • Havoc clarifies: “I'm a Earth questioner. I don't know if I'm a flat Earther…” (01:37)

• YouTube rabbit holes and the curiosity mindset

  • YouTube’s role as an “endless rabbit hole” for conspiracy research and inspiration.

  “You could go on YouTube and just be there for hours. Next thing you know, the sun's coming up.” – Havoc (03:04)

• Birds aren’t real? AI and truth

  • Exploration of the “birds aren’t real” theory, government surveillance, and advanced technology.
  • Marty segues into the rise of AI and “questioning everything.”

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2. AI in Music & Authenticity

• Havoc’s take on AI's impact:

  “If you can’t beat them, join them.” – Havoc (05:59)

  • Havoc sees AI as a tool, albeit one that can’t truly replace the heart and authenticity of genuine artists.

  “You're never going to be able to replace a human in authenticity…producers know.” (08:08)

  • On AI-created music: “To the public, maybe, but…the sounds [are] choppy. Producers know.” (08:46)

• The challenge of proving creative work in an AI world

  • Joke about having to film yourself—and then film the filmer—just to prove authenticity in the future.

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3. Mobb Deep Legacy & The Infinite (New Album)

• Deciding on a final album:

  “The only reason why I believe that I'm doing this is because Mob Deep had unfinished business.” – Havoc (09:24)

  • With Prodigy’s passing, Havoc feels a responsibility to finish things with intention and honor:

  “I just want [Mobb Deep] to go out on a high note…I have selfish reasons.” (11:41)

• Hip-hop duos and longevity

  • Discussing Mobb Deep’s unique 30-year run:

  “There’s only so many duos in hip hop that really stand the test of time.” – Marty (10:28)

• Comparisons to Griselda and new generation

  “The sky is the limit for them…I put them up there with the best of them.” – Havoc on Griselda (13:51)

  • Legends embracing Griselda as torchbearers for real hip-hop.

• Creative process for the final album

  • Working around Prodigy’s unreleased vocals, using technology to adapt them to new beats:

  “We built songs around his vocals…Technology now allows us to do a lot.” – Havoc (35:04)

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4. Favorite Movies, Music, and Influences

• East vs. West Coast gangster films

  • West Coast: Menace II Society, Boyz n the Hood, Shot Caller
  • East Coast: Paid in Full, New Jack City, Goodfellas
  • Shout-out: King of New York was “underrated as hell.” (32:22)

• Top 3 most listened-to albums

  “The Chronic, Illmatic, and The Infamous.” – Havoc (32:40)

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5. Stories from the Golden Era & Collabs

• Def Jam: Fight for NY

  • Havoc recalls the process of being included in the iconic video game and acting like a “little kid again.”

  “Somebody came to us…Def Jam's doing this game. And I'm like, but we not off Def Jam. They're like, so what?” (16:24)

  • Chose no outfits or moves but did the voiceovers.

• On studios and wild recording sessions

  • The wild energy of bringing “30 motherfuckers” into the studio, spilling Hennessy on mixing boards, but missing that element in more mature years.

• Friendship with Nas & Alchemist

  • Nas: “We knew each other from preschool.” – Havoc (46:07)
  • Meeting Alchemist via Cypress Hill affiliates, amazed by his “east coast” sound despite his California roots.

  “I didn’t even know he was from the West Coast. How about that?” – Havoc (44:11)

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6. Touring, Fame, and Wildest Experiences

• Crazy fan encounters

  “We was in the UK with Alchemist…this fan wasn't satisfied with the show…Some tall man in the UK…wanted our jewelry, asking for his money back…” (55:42–56:39)

  • Prodigy protected the crew, leading to a wild, tense backstage moment.

• Life after fame hit

  • Flooded with love in New York after going gold at 19, never considered the dangers:

  “It barely was any hate or jealousy. It was just mad love.” – Havoc (39:50)

• Reflections on East Coast/West Coast rivalry

  • Personal anecdote from Thomas about not being allowed to listen to Biggie as a kid because “he’s from the east coast” (40:11), emphasizing the realness and impact of the era.

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7. Changes in Hip Hop—the Past, Present, and Future

• On “griminess”, authenticity, and country’s rise

  “No music can stay number one forever…It'll come back around. What goes around comes around.” – Havoc (28:04)

  • On the rise of country surpassing rap and the inevitability of the musical cycle.

• The influence of social media

  “Everybody is on a Persona thing more than like, who are you?...That’s all right, dude.” – Thomas (47:18)

  • Marty notes that artists like Mobb Deep “had no awareness outside of Queensbridge,” making their music uniquely sincere.

• Regional identity in hip hop

  • “Even to this day, I can tell a LA artist from an Atlanta artist. Not even the slang—it’s just the way you pronounce words.” – Havoc (48:29)

• On 8 Mile and Eminem’s shoutout

  • Eminem personally requested the “Shook Ones” beat for 8 Mile:

  “By the time he was doing a movie, he didn’t forget about it.” – Havoc (48:45)

  • “One of the best hip-hop artists has your beat in his movie…introducing [you] back to a new audience.” (49:27)

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8. Life Beyond Music: Weed, Psychedelics, and Growth

• Relationship to weed and new ventures

  “I'm opening up a dispensary in New York…it’s called The Bridge.” – Havoc (50:08)

  • Occasional smoker, uses weed for creative inspiration; stays away from psychedelics now.

• Old acid trips and Prodigy’s pranks

  • Prodigy once snuck acid into Havoc’s donut in high school, leading to a wild day.

  “I was tripping till the next day….I never trusted my food around him again.” – Havoc (51:03, 52:09)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I just go down so many rabbit ways…You could go on YouTube and just be there for hours. Next thing you know, the sun's coming up.” – Havoc (03:04)
• “If you can't beat them, join them…It's going to give more value to the people actually really doing the music.” – Havoc on AI (05:59–06:30)
• “I just want Mobb Deep to go out on a high note…I'm not satisfied with, you know, okay, that last project and then…Prodigy's not here and…Alright, pack it up, everybody.” – Havoc (11:41)
• “The sky is the limit for [Griselda]. I put them up there with the best of them.” – Havoc (13:51)
• “We built songs around [Prodigy’s] vocals…Technology now allows us to do a lot.” – Havoc (35:04)
• “There’s only so many duos in hip hop that really stand the test of time…” – Marty O’Neill (10:28)
• “No music can stay number one forever…What goes around comes around.” – Havoc (28:04)
• “Even to this day, even with the new music, I can tell a LA artist from an Atlanta artist…just the way you pronounce words.” – Havoc (48:29)
• “I have selfish reasons…but you know, everybody wants you to be selfish at this point.” – Thomas and Havoc (12:08)
• “We knew each other from preschool.” – Havoc about Nas (46:07)
• “We had 30 motherfuckers in the studio, spilling Hennessy on the track board.” – Havoc (37:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:37 – 05:19: Conspiracies, questioning reality, flat earth, and maps
• 05:19 – 09:12: AI in music production; authenticity, the problem with “proof”
• 09:24 – 13:51: The final Mobb Deep album, legacy, and finished business
• 13:51 – 15:22: Griselda, hip-hop lineage, and new generation
• 16:24 – 18:09: Def Jam Fight for NY & gaming stories
• 19:32 – 22:18: MMA, wrestling, and combat sports fandom
• 23:11 – 25:17: “Shook Ones Pt. II” origins and working a hit record
• 28:04 – 29:43: State of hip hop, country music’s rise, cycles of popularity
• 30:08 – 32:40: Top gangster movies and albums (West vs. East)
• 33:04 – 35:43: Features and construction of new album w/ unreleased vocals
• 39:05 – 40:00: Fame at 19, love/hate in New York, dangerous times
• 44:07 – 45:13: Meeting Alchemist, confessions about grimy east coast sound
• 48:45 – 49:27: “Shook Ones” in 8 Mile, Eminem’s tribute
• 50:08 – 52:19: Havoc’s relationship with weed, opening The Bridge dispensary, classic acid trip story
• 55:42 – 57:22: Wild fan encounter in the UK, Prodigy's loyalty and protection

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Conclusion

This episode is a feast for hip-hop heads and podcast fans alike, combining vintage stories, career insight, real talk about the craft and culture, and charismatic conversations with one of the game’s most respected producers/rappers.

• The episode honors Mobb Deep’s place in history, looks ahead to their last statement as a group, and passes the torch to younger legends like Griselda.
• It’s loaded with personality, big laughs, unexpected detours (conspiracies, drug stories, and 8 Mile), and heartfelt moments reflecting on brotherhood, loss, and legacy.
• The conversation is deeply grounded in the duo's authentic—that is to say, “dope as usual”—tone and worldview.

Transcript

[Havoc]

Oh, you can. Perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yo, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Dope As Usual podcast. My name is Dope as y. Thomas, whatever you want to call me. This is my co host, Marty o'. Neal.

[Marty O'Neal]

What's up, guys?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

What's up, guys? Let's get right into it. As you can see, Marty's face, he's Juice. He's been talking about these. These fools since I met him. So let's just get straight into this episode. Let's welcome Havoc of Mobb Deep.

[Havoc]

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Thanks for being here, man.

[Havoc]

Thanks for having me. Word up.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

This was all Juice.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

Appreciate this.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

He's from Buffalo, so he.

[Havoc]

Oh, for real.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

All he talks about is New York, so.

[Havoc]

Okay, okay. Griselda, right?

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah, yeah. Benny's the homie, actually.

[Havoc]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

This is Buffalo right behind you on the wall.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, that's Buffalo. Oh, it's just a maps.

[Havoc]

Oh, no, that's dope.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, it's just a match. This is my little ass town right here.

[Havoc]

Okay. Oh, that's fire. I didn't even. I was wondering what all along.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's where I grew up.

[Havoc]

Right there. That block right there.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's my block where I grew up.

[Havoc]

And I'm obsessed with, like, globes and. And maps. So this is fire.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Okay, so you're obsessed with Lows and Matt. I never heard that in my life. What do you feel about those old maps from, like, China? Those. They have other lands on those maps.

[Havoc]

I. I think they hiding the truth from us.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I think so too. I think the Truman shows here, and they're like, don' this.

[Havoc]

Exactly. I mean, you know, I didn't think.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

We'Re gonna start off.

[Havoc]

I'm a flat Earther, so. Oh, I'm with the. I'm with this. You feel me?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Okay.

[Havoc]

I'm not a flat. I'm. I'm.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I'm a. I'm. I'm a Earth. I'm an Earth questioner. I don't know if I'm a flat Earther, but I've seen so many things. I'm like, how come we're not allowed over there? How come that ice wall so big? And how come there's a treaty over there? I don't trust this.

[Havoc]

Right. Why we can't go over there?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It's like the Truman Show. They're gonna turn on the waves as soon as you get too close.

[Havoc]

Exactly.

[Marty O'Neal]

And you probably traveled Earth, right? You've been around.

[Havoc]

I definitely have. I haven't seen the ice wall, but you know, I've seen pictures of it. I mean everything we looking at is like CGI images.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's how I feel.

[Havoc]

I mean, why we don't see real images with the cameras that are in this room. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like look like spray paint pictures and like, oh, look at the earth today. I'm like, yeah, right, come on.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Or the massive pictures from 1940 are different from now. It's like dirt didn't change. Fool looks would look crisper. And that's it.

[Havoc]

Absolutely.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I'm so happy to hear. I, I met one, the dude from the Deftones, man. I remember I told you I was playing golf with this guy, then he lit his shirt. He had a flat earth shirt and we talked for three hours. Playing golf.

[Havoc]

I suck at golf, man.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But yeah, no, okay. I, I, I honestly feel like they're like those planet when people talk about plants, like, I feel like that's just another land mass and we don't know know about. Dude, it scares me.

[Havoc]

I mean it is scary, you know what I mean? But I think we can handle the truth if they told us.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, but this land has dinosaurs and that line has giants.

[Havoc]

Yeah. Tell us why.

[Marty O'Neal]

Why not go down into like a lot of different conspiracy theories or man.

[Havoc]

I just go down so many rabbit ways, you know what I'm saying? That is like, I mean you, you know, you could go on YouTube and just be there for hours. Next thing you know, the sun's coming up. You know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh yeah.

[Havoc]

I'm obsessed with YouTube too.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Me, me too. I did. I found Dr. Sebi one night and it changed my whole life. Remember I was down to rabbit over five, six hours, right? Like this guy can jump on his knees. I trust him. Dude, there's something going on with this old man dude, right? Oh, how do you feel about that? Birds aren't real.

[Havoc]

Birds aren't real.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Have you heard that conspiracy?

[Havoc]

Well, I did see like a pigeon that would, if you opened it up, it was like a bird robot. Like, you know what I mean? I saw that before. I mean, I, I, listen man, the CIA is like up to some like, so I mean of course there's a couple of pigeons out there. That's not real. Like, you know what I mean? Even probably like flies and mosquitoes and all kinds of, you know what I mean, watching them.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I've never really have a bit about this exact thing, this exact birds aren't real. Like, who's to say the government doesn't own sure Mic and they're listening to every single thing because China came out and says, yeah, we make bird drones.

[Havoc]

See that Recently, I didn't see it.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But they come out like, yeah, look, this is how we're spying on you. And they, they show the, the wing and has the color Chinese, man. They don't. They'll let you know they're spying on you. Dude. They don't give a man at all. At all. I know this was a sideways ass conversation, but let's get started, man. All right, I'm, I'm, I'm somewhat of, of a, of a, a round earth denier.

[Havoc]

Okay.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I don't believe it.

[Marty O'Neal]

You thoroughly just question everything.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

If you drill through the earth, you tell me end up in China. I doubt that. I just been telling my whole life, I don't believe that.

[Havoc]

I mean, think about, think about the, the NASA videos that they show. It's like that should look like Hollywood. Like Hollywood could do the same thing.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Now you see the rat crawl across the ship as they're in space.

[Havoc]

No, I didn't see that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's when it blew my mind. I'm like, okay, come on, man. Stanley Kubrick even said like, yeah, it's a sound stage.

[Havoc]

Exactly.

[Marty O'Neal]

People were so much simpler back then.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

Now it's like shifted so much that you really can't tell what's reality. Like, I think in the next year.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

There'S, there's going to be indiscerable face swap is done. I'm. I can't believe a D unless I can touch it. I don't believe it.

[Marty O'Neal]

Like, would you be cool? It's like, okay, we're going to pay you. You're going to be. Your avatar is going to be performing in Sweden this weekend. We got his voice all dialed in. You're actually just going to be at home doing it perform from your room.

[Havoc]

I always complain that I need a few more of me, so not a problem. I don't mind.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a clone as long as that fool was like, very wholesome. I don't want some coming back. Like, I didn't even do that. I would have did it if I'm, if I was to get trouble for it.

[Marty O'Neal]

I'm a graphic artist, brand designer, video editor, dude. So like, I'm embracing AI. I think it's going to be a tool that's not going anywhere that we need to learn how to like use in our tool belt, you know? How do you feel in music production about AI?

[Havoc]

Music production?

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Havoc]

Hey, look, that's where AI is going, right. It's going every where. Like, so of course it's going to infiltrate music. How do I feel? I feel bad about it. Right. But if you can't beat them, join them. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, let me with it, see what's going on. You don't want to get left behind, but I think it's going to give more value to the people that are actually really doing the music. So it's not a bad thing. It's like, yo, I really did this. Yeah. And you show them and then you get paid more than they are.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Kind of like steroids and athletes. Like, I don't want to get left behind, but also I don't want. I don't want to succumb to it. It's like the Barry Bonds thing. Like, just don't. I'll take some steroids. Like, at a point. Like, do AI help with my drum sample a little bit.

[Havoc]

It cleaned it up. Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It took me an hour. Like, oh, I'm all for it with.

[Marty O'Neal]

Like efficiency like that, like, clean this up or whatever. But like the creativity, you're right. Like, there's going to be so few people left that have that muscle.

[Havoc]

Yeah. Soon you're going to have to really film yourself doing the work because who the is going to believe you? You know what I mean? So. And then even when they. You got to film the film because then the film could be. Where does it stop?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I didn't think about that. You got to film the videographer too. Or even like, like when they make rap freestyle, like King of the Dot, like make a beat in front of us. All right, then you're a liar. Like, I. I can see that happen.

[Marty O'Neal]

They were doing that for a minute, right? Like, weren't Swiss beats like Free Slow.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, the battles. That's right. I remember.

[Marty O'Neal]

But they were going short last for hit, though. It wasn't like a freestyle short last.

[Havoc]

Are you talking about the verses?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, but it was just, just like mixing, right?

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Hey, I'll watch that.

[Marty O'Neal]

I'm thinking like that of Juice with all my apps in there battling and more like that back and forth with it live.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I can see that. But yeah, AI scares me, but if it helps me. Hey, man, your. Your phone is AI every time you misspell receipt. That's AI right there.

[Marty O'Neal]

But like, the industry of like, okay, this record label is going to pay these millions of dollars to bring out all these songwriters and they're going to go to a camp for A week and write and like, I feel like that's probably gone right, like that. In the most part.

[Havoc]

Yeah. But it's. It true. I, I think for the most part that part is gone. But you're never going to be able to replace a human in authenticity, you know what I mean? Like, you know, I mean like Beethoven and it'll never happen and things like that. Like, I mean, but these ars are creating Beethoven esque type music and you can't tell the difference. But I could tell the difference though, you know what I mean? Because I, I've, you know, played around with know, Sunos and these little things and I, and I listen to it and I said, now the sounds choppy. Like, like producers know.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Havoc]

You know what I mean? But the general public probably won't be able to tell, but producers will be able to like. Nah. That. It's like kind of sounds warped a little bit. Oh, okay.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Well, I mean that's when you see the pictures and like. Oh, something slightly, the fingers.

[Havoc]

When you look at the fingers, you can tell that's AI, right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Do you see the guy try to rob a store and added a thing like a glove with a finger? So you could say that was AI, wasn't me.

[Havoc]

You could do that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It didn't work. But like, what a good, good start, man. At least you're thinking, yeah, okay. So, so infinite. So the first. What is this? The, Is this the last Mob Deep out?

[Havoc]

I would say so, yeah. I would definitely. Unfortunately, you know what I mean? Prodigy's not here. You know what I mean? So it's different, you know, from the moment that he departed, unfortunately. But the only reason why, you know what I'm saying, I believe that I'm doing this is because Mob Deep had unfinished business. Right after this business is done, it's like, you know, that's it, wrap it up. That's it.

[Marty O'Neal]

What, what is the unfinished business in the sunset? Like, you were already working on this.

[Havoc]

Me and Prodigy was always working on music. Always. You know, Prodigy probably still has tons of verses that his family is probably in possession of. Most likely they are. But for me, for Mob Deep, it's like, you know, that chapter, it could come to a good conclusion.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You mean happy with that?

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah, I'm good with that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It was a 30 year run.

[Havoc]

It was a good 30 year run. A really, really good 30 year.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

The whole essence of hip hop from the 90s and up. Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

One of the only duos that ever. I mean, there's only so many duos in hip Hop like, they're that really stand the test of time and, like, are locked in as friends the whole time.

[Havoc]

Correct.

[Marty O'Neal]

I mean, you got. You got. There's really a dude. Red Man, Method man, snooping. Yeah, but they broke off Dre, like, but it's not. They weren't like a duo. Duo, like, went hand in hand with each other. There's really. I mean, there's only.

[Havoc]

It's limited. Very limited. Outcast, Outcast, Smith and Wesson, Eight Ball and mjg. Okay, yeah, we said okay, but very.

[Marty O'Neal]

Limited because, you know, most people that they can't keep it together for that long.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, you're right.

[Marty O'Neal]

Stand that many different. Like, the business gets in the way, things get complicated. Music changes, entertainment industry changes. You guys stay locked in and, like, kept the respect about. Like, when I'm trying to tell my kids, explain to them what, like, hip hop, east coast rap meant to me growing up when I was their age. Like, that's. That's what I'm pointing at. You know what I mean? In that vibe that even my daughter, now 16 years old, she's got Shook Ones up on a room and, like, it's transcended.

[Havoc]

Absolutely. You know, look, man, Shook Ones is one of those songs that. Timeless.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Havoc]

Thomas. Thomas Music. And with Prodigy not being here is. You're never gonna even come close to even trying to do that. I just want more Deep to go out on a high note. You understand what I'm saying? I'm not satisfied with, you know, okay, that last project and then, you know, Prodigy's not here and. All right, pack it up, everybody. Let's go home. No, no. You know, I have selfish reasons. You know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But good, though.

[Havoc]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Everybody wants you to be selfish at this point.

[Marty O'Neal]

You guys are supposed to be triumphant.

[Havoc]

Absolutely. And hence we have this project that I'm really happy with. I'm really, really happy with it, to be honest with you. And I was just having a discussion with somebody this morning. Where will this album land in between the infamous album and Murder Music? Let's just go right there. Right? And I think it's really going to be. Have a real good fight with Murder Music, you know what I mean? Hello, Nerf. Infamous album. I don't think you can with it. You know, you can't. You can't with it. But Murder Music got a little problem.

[Marty O'Neal]

It's in contention for, like, that.

[Havoc]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

So question, like, your guys's sound and that whole wave coming out is like that real grimy east coast rat, like, it makes you want to get out and put gloves on and. You know what I mean? It's called, like. But I. I feel like right now, me and Mark, we talk. We talk about music constantly. This is season almost five. I feel like the only people come. I mean, I would say the only. But the big force coming out. I mean, is Griselda coming out of that state right now? Do you see what. Do you see that projection of them? Because you're. What you got. You got, like, what albums on these guys and years on these guys, but you're seeing them like, oh, yeah, yeah. You know, when you see a kid like, that fool's got a arm, what's he going to do later, right? You know, I mean, you see, like, I see the potential. So what with them, I feel like they're. They're. They haven't done a group album in a minute. They come back and get it together doing their own solo. But they're all crushing it individually, right? What do you see the project, like, the trajectory of them?

[Havoc]

The sky is the limit for them, you know what I mean? I put them up there with. With the best of them, you know what I mean? And that's not even me trying to gas it, you know what I mean? Everybody could kind of vouch for it. Like, you know, what's coming out of the. The Griselda camp is something to behold. I think they're preserving the record. You know, they're upholding, you know, hip hop in a real good way. You know, I see nothing but greatness moving forward for them and them establishing their place in hip hop in a permanent way.

[Marty O'Neal]

I'd love to see how much the legends just embraced them when they came out.

[Havoc]

Yeah, I mean, look, we had no choice because the. They were so dope, you know what I mean? Like, I still listen to them now, like, just, you know, in all, like, man, these is good. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah. I never get tired of, like, I'll play it again. If it comes out, I'll let it.

[Havoc]

Right? Yeah, yeah, right. Nah, I'm playing that all day, you know, Stove Guard and West side Gun, Benny Conway, Che Noir, you know what I'm saying? Just.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It's almost endless at that point.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah. Rome Streets did a project with them, you know what I'm saying?

[Marty O'Neal]

Who I saw. You just had him on your podcast, right?

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just had them on, and I'm like, like, number one fan now. Like, you know what I mean? Of. Of really all of Them, you know what I'm saying?

[Marty O'Neal]

So that's interesting because I mean, God knows they were looking up to you 20 years ago when they were like.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

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[Havoc]

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[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

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[Marty O'Neal]

I was watching Benny0405 Montana, you know, Tana talk one like all that type of shit. Like so to come full circle now, that's just. That's wild.

[Havoc]

No, they deserve it. They deserve it.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I mean, I know how it probably happened, but I like to. It's very rare. I get somebody that was in Def Jam fight for New York. He's only happened one other time. And how did it come out? And do you actually play it? And if you played it, have you beat it with your character? Because I have.

[Havoc]

Right, so that's a loaded question. You know, they came to us. Somebody came to us back in the days and was like, yo, Def Jam's doing this game. And I'm like, but we not off Def Jam. They like, so what? You know what I mean? So I was like, hell yeah, I want to be a video game. Video game character. I'm like, yeah. So we went into the studio to record the like, you know, the voice, sound bites. And then I saw it, I was like, yo, this is mad cool. I became like a little kid again, like just watching it.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Did you pick your outfit?

[Havoc]

No, no, no, no, no. They did good though. They knew. They knew what the fuck I was wearing, you know, what we wore. But I never, I never played this shit.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, no, no. One day when you get time, you're going to have so much fun. It's a 20 year old game that holds up. I don't play games often, but I beat that during the lockdown.

[Havoc]

Right, right, right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You can't with me, with Bruce, with David Banner, dude. It's just too easy at the Hulk mode. All right, how much input did you get to pick? Like, yo, I want to be. Because Snoop Dogg's a ninja, right? For some reason he just high kicks. Did you get to pick anything about the game? He's like, I use me.

[Havoc]

Nah, they just, they just said, yo ran with it. Lay your vocals down and you know. You know, but the. That they picked for me to say was like, oh, did I say eight? You know, like, word, son.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You know, the intros when you're coming.

[Havoc]

Out, about to fight.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I love. I. I can never get enough of it. If they brought it back. Billion dollars.

[Marty O'Neal]

Did I read you're into MMA and like that?

[Havoc]

Say that again.

[Marty O'Neal]

Are you into mma?

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I'm not a. Like, crazy, super, like, watch it every time it's on. But when I do watch it, I'm like, same right?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

When I do watch it.

[Havoc]

Damn.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Who's.

[Havoc]

What's his name?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Chellovich? Yeah, that guy. That guy. Everybody's a Russian fool with a beard, right?

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. The UFC's turned extremely foreign, like, for real.

[Havoc]

Those some tough.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I think it's the cold, man. They're used to the cold and getting. You play football in the cold. You have. So imagine fighting bears in the cold. God, now I feel the same way. Have you been watching MMA for a long time?

[Havoc]

Since it, you know, it came out, you know.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Okay, yeah. So me, do you remember Matt Hughes?

[Havoc]

I don't remember him. Okay. But I remember, like, Kimbo Slice and people like, oh, of course, right.

[Marty O'Neal]

These are the OG.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But that first YouTube video was not fair, man. Remember, he was fighting two on ones, lumping fools.

[Havoc]

He was people up. But then when he got to the. To the mma, he was done first.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Fight, like, yeah, he's like, you know what a kimura is? Kimbo Slice. He's like, no, I don't, dude. Yo, but Kimbo, when that. When that era came out of YouTube and stuff, like, that's when I first saw it. I didn't know there was people actually doing. It's like watching blood sport. It's like, this is real. Fools are really doing competitions to the death sometimes. I don't know. It's. It's crazy. Just. So you've traveled the Earth, have you ever seen, like, a fight in person? Like, gone to a fight in.

[Havoc]

No, no.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I figured, like, I was in Thailand. I saw these kickboxers.

[Havoc]

I went to my first wife.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

W e. How'd you like it?

[Havoc]

Match. I'm addicted now.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I went, too.

[Havoc]

Recently, I was like, yo, what the. I was like, yo, this is fun. You know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

The chance. Everybody knows the ch. I'm looking around, right?

[Havoc]

I'm like, yeah, exactly. I felt left out.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's why I left out. Like, they know the words. The chance. When they do this, they like. I mean, As a kid, I was real into it. But losing 20 years of it, coming back, it's just the same like you never left. Like you never left, man. Except the Stone Cold's not there and there's no Mark Henry anymore. But, you know, it's still cool. When'd you go?

[Havoc]

A couple of weeks ago. Oh, recent couple of weeks ago. I would say like a month ago.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Was it the SummerSlam one in New York?

[Havoc]

It was some where they was doing some bodega like, you know what I mean? Like some New York City bodega. Whatever. I remember Joe Buttons was there, Method man was there. I just. They was just inviting a bunch of rappers there.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

All the dudes from Def Jam Fight for New York was there, right?

[Havoc]

But it was though this, it was. I. I liked it.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I was like, damn, it's a trip, huh? And then you go, there's athletes forget you're acting and you're an ass.

[Havoc]

Yo, yo. That's what I was saying like to everybody that wanted to be like, oh, this is fake now. That's not fake.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That is planned.

[Havoc]

How the you jump from all the way up here without even killing this guy.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Havoc]

You understand what I'm saying? It's like that take a lot of whatever.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

We just had Montez Ford and Bianca Belair on here, right? The wwf, WWE Superstars. And I asked him like, how do you knock? He's like, you get, you get hurts.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

There's no faking 15 foot fall.

[Havoc]

No. Hell no.

[Marty O'Neal]

You just know it's coming. You know it's coming, but that's about it.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Just get ready for it.

[Havoc]

That's all she said, right? Get ready, you.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Dude, I'm out, man. I'll go work at the landfill before I do that. But no, those are, those are super athletes by the way I'm acting. That's what it is.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

No, it's a trip. It's a trip. I haven't been in MMA fight yet, but I went to that bare knuckle fighting.

[Havoc]

Damn, that's worse.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It's so much worse.

[Marty O'Neal]

David Diaz has a fight coming out.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I know, I'll be there.

[Havoc]

Is it sanctioned?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, yeah, it's called BKFC. It's like a real Conor McGregor just bought into it. Yo, I've never been to a boxing. Have you been to a boxing match before?

[Havoc]

A few.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Okay, so you know you can hear it, right? Yes, I heard that girl's over the bone break.

[Havoc]

Oh, no.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You can hear it.

[Havoc]

Damn.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It's. It's bad. You know, you've seen fights. You hear that skin?

[Marty O'Neal]

Especially with the girls.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Like, that's caved her face and damn. Yeah, I saw a guy snap his arm back.

[Havoc]

He fell. Yeah, yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You know, but I'll watch it, man. I'll watch it. Training. I'm good, dude. I was. Play video games.

[Havoc]

I'm good off that, man.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Sorry. I know we got all this random ass add talk, but I feel like your. Your YouTube algorithm is like, mine crazy. Crazy.

[Havoc]

Yes.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Random guy crazy. Yeah. Do you want on Twitter?

[Havoc]

No, don't. No.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

If you think you like conspiracies now, man, there's fools out there that are actually mentally insane that make videos. Like, you almost convinced me, man. Right, right, right.

[Havoc]

I know it's a lot of that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

There's a lot, dude.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But, yeah, with the conspiracy stuff, I'll go for days on it. I just want to know.

[Marty O'Neal]

I got a question. So, like, I was there. I was there. The 41st side album. All there. All those early the instrumental albums, Me and my homeboys with the Hell on Earth instrumental, all that. Shook 1's 2 was the track that, like, blew up so bad. But Shook One's one was like fire too, also. What made you make a part two.

[Havoc]

You know what I mean? Because we wasn't satisfied with one. Right. That's easy. Right? Like, he wasn't satisfied with it, so he was like, yo. But we loved it, though. We. We liked it. And we was like, yo, man, we could get a little bit more out of this. You know what I mean? We could get. So let's just make a part two. And, you know, we made it. And luckily, the Washington. What we hear now.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Havoc]

You know what I mean? What are the odds that you got a part one, but the part two is the one that takes off some incredible.

[Marty O'Neal]

Did you know it? Did you have any idea when you were making it?

[Havoc]

No, no, not at all. I just was like, it. Let's just make a new one. You know what I mean? But I was being a little careful. Like, okay, let's get this drum sample. Let's get this, you know, nice little jazz, slowed down. Sample, whatever. Do it. Keep the same lyrics, but change a couple of the words. And we did that, and then we came with that. And then everybody, like, kind of was like, oh, this is cool.

[Marty O'Neal]

Right away. Or it took time before.

[Havoc]

It took a little time. It took a little time. This is back in the days when people used to work a record, right? So we'll go from North, South, Midwest, to the West.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You're talking about Touring?

[Havoc]

No, just promoting the record, going to different radio stations.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, you talk about west inside of the state.

[Havoc]

Yes. Got you in the United States. Yeah, yeah. Like do you know the Northeast?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Gotcha.

[Havoc]

Then we'll.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

We'll do the south press run for the record.

[Havoc]

Right. You know what I mean? But you know, some record stations you'll go to, you'll talk to them and when you leave, they throw the CD in the garbage, you know what I mean? Because that's. Because they don't give a. About. Yeah. Like, you know, in certain, Certain regions they don't with.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh yeah, certain things.

[Havoc]

So. But they just sitting there, they like. But it still took off though, like, you know what I'm saying? Like when we did that run and you know, California is like one of like one of our main markets, you know, you wouldn't expect it really coming from the Northeast, but to this day, you know what I'm saying? California holds up for us.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It's like the. It's the mixing pot over here. Nobody from getting. Most people in California are from California. So it's like they bring all their. Their together and I think that's. That's why like a lot of Texas artists, huge out here.

[Havoc]

Right?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You know, I think it's just we're a melting pot. I mean, so is New York is the ultimate melting pot, but I feel like a melting pot of Americans is in California a melting pot of people from other countries. There's a lot of New York, you know, coming and meeting there. What's up guys? Taking a moment from this episode to talk about one of our sponsors. And this is puffco. As you know, they just dropped the new proxy and it is awesome. It has all the new updates as you saw from our little review. And if not, you can go check out puffco's website and it's right at the bottom. You'll see Marty and I just reviewing the new proxy. The new changes for the proxy that updates the upgrades. The new 3D bowl chamber. It's slightly bigger for the splashback. Many attachments. You can use the wizard pipe, the actual bubbler. It's not just in that one piece anymore. It's detachable. You can put it in many things. The proxy has a bunch of updates. It's like having a Puffco peak without the water. It's for stoners. Buy stoners guys. So you already know the upgrades are coming with time. And it's finally here. The new proxy has it, like I said, every. The ring light staying all the way on the Bottom is a big help. No matter what you're dabbing. Puffco has it all. It's real time adjustments. You know what I mean? Like, this is now capable with the app because last time it wasn't and everybody probably complained and now they're like, you know what? You're right. Let's change it. So remember, feedback, everything, trying new stuff, posting about it, asking questions, all that's good. So if you want, the proxy is the best dry rip. Like I said, I personally don't do the dry rib, so I like to use the bubbler. I do like the wizard too, because I feel fancy. Other than that, it's brand new, it's fun, it's here, it's 2025 brand new proxy. Guys, thank you so much to Puffco. We appreciate you sponsoring the dope as usual podcast. Back to the episode. When you see hip hop, the state you guys are in, I. I feel like, remember the end of Paid in Full? He's looking at. He's like, now I just see these fools in music video. They're throwing up fake money. I feel like that n. Like that 90s to 2000 era. And then now we're kind of in the end of the paid in full or it's like a bunch of fools in front of a camera throwing fake money. Yeah, I feel like there's not a. I guess the word gr. I like to use that grimy like when you like. To me, the jack the jacket, that's some grimy ass music. But it's west like, right? Just that makes you want to get up that. That's how I feel. So where do you feel? It's a wild question. The state of hip hop, but no, the state of like that feeling. Besides Griselda, do you see that coming back? Do you see it staying around? And how do you feel about rap? Got knocked off. Hip hop got knocked off as the number one music in the world. Did you see that? Yeah, country now.

[Havoc]

Saw that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's never in my lifetime. I've never seen that. So how do you see the resurgence? What do you feel it's gonna take? What's. What is it gonna take to bring that back? Or do you think it's plateaued right now?

[Havoc]

For right now, it probably plateaued a bit. But it's going to take, you know, a version of it to come back. It might not be like what we did in the 90s and stuff like that. Of course not. But a version of it will come back. And, you know, what goes around comes around. That's it. Simple as that. What goes around comes around. You know, no music can stay number one for forever because, you know, people's tastes change. You know what I mean? And styles change, right? Like with clothes, you know. You know, not one style of clothes is gonna last forever. It's just, like, music, you know, it's gonna. You know, it'll come back around. You know, we see, like, country music is, like, popping and. Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I think it's crossover.

[Havoc]

Who thought that?

[Marty O'Neal]

Right, Right.

[Havoc]

Who thought that? Nobody. Right. And so you got rappers trying to.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

The crossovers is really. It's really bringing it together. Honestly, man. But then again, like, you had run DMC and Aerosmith in, like, 1988, you know, like, it has happened, but spurts. And then Lil Wayne did that Rock Ship, and then what was it? Jay Z and Linkin Park. There's little pops here and there, but it's never been like. That's the formula. You know what I mean?

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But right now, yeah, country music's taking over. You see, These shows are 70, 80,000 people.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I haven't heard of these artists. And that's when you know it's real. Like, I've never heard of you and you have 5 million people waiting on you. Hey, man, that's power in it. There's obviously good storytelling going on in that music or something or some. I. I don't know. Is that. Is Taylor Swift considered country music? Maybe that's why it's so big.

[Havoc]

She's.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I don't know. She's famous as hell.

[Marty O'Neal]

I just figured it was like, pop.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I don't know. Let's leave that one. All right, Real quick. I asked everybody this, and I know if I don't ask, I'll forget, but I have a different version. I. I love movies. I'm very into movies. For you. Since you've been traveling around the world, you've seen a lot. What are your. What do you think are the three best, like, hard gangster movies of the west coast and East Coast?

[Havoc]

Okay.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Because there's a big difference.

[Havoc]

Okay.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

And it doesn't have to remember, east coast could be goodfellas.

[Havoc]

Okay? True, true, true. Okay. Let's start with the west coast.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

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[Havoc]

Okay. Boys in the hood and what's the one, Ballers?

[Marty O'Neal]

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[Havoc]

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[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

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[Havoc]

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[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

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[Marty O'Neal]

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[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

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[Havoc]

The one with a guy, he was in jail for a while because he got into the car accident. He was drinking.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, you're talking about shot. Call it. That's a good ass. I just watched a couple months ago. Look how fast your life could change. That's a good movie, Brian. Brian Ortega told us to watch that. Yeah. Ufc, dude. What a movie, man.

[Havoc]

That is fire.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Damn, that ending that way was nuts. That's the one I told you to. Oh, God.

[Havoc]

That was fire.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Good choice. I would even accept it. Like, people don't think about Casino. It's kind of on the West Coast.

[Havoc]

Vegas. Vegas.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Vegas is kind of over here.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Damn, those some good. All right, what about the East Coast?

[Havoc]

Okay, so the east coast paid a full New Jack City and. Good, fellas.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Good fell. That's.

[Havoc]

There you go. You. You gave that one away early.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But New Jack City, I like. I always take King of New York over every. Oh, I love King of New York. So when Lawrence Fishburne's smacking his guns and shooting.

[Havoc]

That movie's underrated.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It is, man. I think it's because it's Christopher Walken's wide ass as the main. And he's dancing. So you don't take him as like a. And then he's on the bus, he's like, yeah, take my money, right? Yeah, take it. Bastard gun. Like, that's the hardest scene in the world, dude.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

All right, then. That went faster than I thought. You knew exactly what you were gonna say.

[Marty O'Neal]

What about, like, top three most listened.

[Havoc]

To albums Lifetime top three most listened to albums for me. The Chronic, Illmatic, and the infamous.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I don't know how you guys always know I couldn't do the music. I'll never be able to decide.

[Marty O'Neal]

So this new album came out under mass appeal, right?

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

Which is NASA's label. Or he's like, part of it.

[Havoc]

Yeah, I believe it's his. He's part of it either or whichever way you want to, you know. But.

[Marty O'Neal]

He had a feature on the album.

[Havoc]

Yeah, he got like three features on the album, so. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did this one so called Paul to Henny. Then we did. I forget the name of it, but it's featuring her. Then the other one is featuring Georgia Smith. Love the way. Love the way.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, Georgia Smith.

[Havoc]

Yeah, Georgia Smith. She's dope.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Dope as hell.

[Havoc]

She's really dope. So we did a part one and a part two of Love the way. You know what I mean? Both singers. I can't even believe I got a chance to work with them, to be honest with you. With her, like, you know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

She's badass, though.

[Havoc]

Yeah, she's dope. And Georgia Smith is just incredible. So, you know, damn sweet.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

New album's coming out. Can you say how many songs are on it or you just keep it?

[Havoc]

I think the. The track list is out.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Okay.

[Havoc]

So it's about.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I think it's like 15ish. I didn't know if it was, like. I just want to say 15.

[Havoc]

15 songs more than I wanted to be on the thing, but so many of the songs was good. The. I'm biased, but you know what I mean, it's like it. You know, I mean, we going out with a bang. It just put 23 songs on there.

[Marty O'Neal]

You have, like, so much to work with.

[Havoc]

We did have a lot to work with. You know what I mean? We did. We did, but it was a tough time keeping it to 15 songs, you know what I mean? Yeah. To me, 15 songs was a lot, you know, I wanted to keep it to, like, you know, 12, you know what I mean? But, you know, there were songs on there that we couldn't. Couldn't cut off, we couldn't take off. Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

And like you said, if this is gonna be like, this is our one that solidifies that bookend. If this is what it is. Kind of need to throw those other songs in there. Why not? No fans can be, like, full more. You. No one's gonna say that. You know, so did you have to.

[Marty O'Neal]

Like, build the songs around his vocals? Is that different than every other time?

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had. But, you know, technology now allows us to do a lot. You know what I mean? We did. We built songs around his vocals because a lot of the song. Most of his vocals was already two tracks. You know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, you just take them off and put them to this new.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah. And just, you know, you could change the tempo or the vocals without changing the pitch. You know, he might have been rapping a little bit slower, but then we just kind of speeded it up a little bit and matched it to the current track.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I could see that being, like, not like, it's not fun, but kind of like, this sucks because, you know, when you're. You hear a version, like, that was hard, but you can't be like, yo, that was hard, right? That does that had to be hard.

[Marty O'Neal]

Was it hard to make this album? It had to be.

[Havoc]

It was hard. And, you know, some of the versions that Prodigy originally rapped to are now coming to the surface, right? It's like, oh, but this is. This was what Prodigy originally rapped over. And you know what I want to say to those people is that I. I'm not mad at them for, you know, being like, hey, look, this is because here's the problem. What there was. I'm putting light on Prodigy now, right? Those verses was like, some of them was in the dark, and now we bring a light onto it, and now it's a conversation, you know what I'm saying? They say, which one is better? Okay, you take your pick. It's all good. I just want my brother to be in the conversation and not some verse on YouTube for 14 years and nobody's not saying nothing about it.

[Marty O'Neal]

Okay, yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Utilize it.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah. Exactly how it should be, Dan.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I never thought would just be some verse on YouTube, man.

[Havoc]

Oh, you'd be surprised.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

No, no. I've heard a lot of unreleased things from artists. Like, you didn't put this in a song on the alb or not. It's just. It's like mixtapes. YouTube is like a mixtape is what it is.

[Marty O'Neal]

Is there any legendary Mobb Deep collabs out there that, like, never really came out or that people don't know about?

[Havoc]

Not that I know of right now that I could think of or fan, but I'm sure there's some out there. Like. Well, you know, I don't know if it was released before, but I know Prodigy did, like, a project with Wyclef. You know what I'm saying? That I could remember he was doing it, and I. I haven't heard it out anywhere yet.

[Marty O'Neal]

I love Wyclef. He's another one that just transcends everything.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Around for so long.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

An actual musician. You can get in there on a knee instrument, sing it, write it, produce it.

[Havoc]

So.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

So going to the studio, I mean, when you're 21 and you're with the homies, it's different. Like, y' all bring everybody now. What's your process now? Like, it probably Cars deep back then. Now what is it? I mean, Mob D, obviously, but, like, I know you have hella people with you, but I'm saying, like, now. Now that, like, even I'm 36, I'm like, I feel more grown. I don't want you. All these fools around me. I have to do after that, it's. It's a little different for you, I'm assuming.

[Havoc]

It. It is different, but a lot of people that was there then are not here now because they just naturally dropped off. But I missed that element. I do miss that element when it's like, yo, we got 30 motherfuckers in the studio spilling Hennessy on the track board and shit like that. But these days it's like, you can't do it. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm at the age that I am now, and it's like, it just, it would be me just trying to dress like I'm 16. Like, you know, it's in having 30 in the studio. They probably wouldn't invite me back into the studio. You know what I mean? All money is not good money. They'd be like, you, you. You desecrated our studio back then. They like it. You killed our trackboard, but your record company will pay for it. A million dollars, you know.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Have you ever ruined the board before?

[Havoc]

I'm sure we have.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, just. I'm sure just left and heard about it.

[Havoc]

Yeah, like, okay, you know, Steve Riff gonna take care of that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

So how many, how many studios you've been told to leave?

[Havoc]

Ah, man, you know, I'm sure they wanted to tell us to leave, but.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

They kind of hard to tell.

[Havoc]

30. So that, that mob people money was good. Like, you know what I mean? It was like, it, we'll just replace the board with your money.

[Marty O'Neal]

When was it like, because you guys were young, you guys were teenagers doing this.

[Havoc]

Hell yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

What moment was it where you're like, damn, we made it. We're on top of this for real now. It's not a fluke.

[Havoc]

I. I think after we went gold with the infamous album, it was like it was nowhere in New York I could go where I wasn't recognized. You know what I mean? Everybody's like, oh, yo, Happy, what's up? I was like, oh, wow, I'm famous. Like, you know what I'm saying? But because I'm still living in the projects.

[Marty O'Neal]

You were how old at that point?

[Havoc]

19. Oh. You know what I'm saying? Like, 19.

[Marty O'Neal]

Was that cool or was that make it super, super dangerous for you?

[Havoc]

It was cool. I didn't think about the dangerous part. When you, when you that age, you like invincible gene, like, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm like, oh, I could get set up. You're not even thinking about it. Like, you know what I mean?

[Marty O'Neal]

So showing love or Was it like.

[Havoc]

No. People was just showing mad love. It. It barely was any hate or jealousy. It was just mad love racing in New York. It was crazy.

[Marty O'Neal]

That's awesome.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

I mean like you guys did it right. You like, you kept your respect about you. Never any goofy. You guys were there for the east coast, west coast battle.

[Havoc]

Like we definitely.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

And that was real. I remember as a child, as a little kid, my mom's ignorant ass. You can't listen to me. Biggie Small, he's from the east coast.

[Havoc]

Like what?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I remember that like only listen to Tupa. I'm like, mom, you're 19. You should just chill out, man. I think you got away from it. I didn't listen to Big was. I was in high school.

[Havoc]

Wow.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

And then I found out she has a not that good a taste in music. When I heard that first album, like this is what you said was dog. I can't. Your opinions are relevant to me now that he's been putting me on east coast because Mark Marty's.

[Havoc]

That's.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's where he from. So like he puts me on all this. I'm super like Jack of Filthy Rich, Hustler, all those, those, those rappers back then. I like a lot of Brother lynch and Sacramento. So like all the stuff you got to buy at the rap store, like you can't go to Sam Goody. You can't go to the warehouse to get that. You got to go somewhere that sells shirts too.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You know what I mean? You have to go to the liquor store or something.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

But I didn't grow up on east coast at all. So he's been open my eyes to everything. So he showed me Griselda. He showed me everything over there. So I'm a West. I'm definitely a west coast person.

[Havoc]

That's dope though. Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I like it though. Now that I'm learning all of it. I appreciate it. Now I'm seeing Texas. There's a lot of fools from the south that are dope fire.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I always knew about Zero, but I didn't know about the world. Like you can stay in Texas, never leave and be famous.

[Havoc]

That's how big Texas is, right?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yes. You could tour for 40. Look at Paul Wall. That fool does not need to leave Texas and sell out the biggest state fair you ever seen in your life. You know what I mean? For real. Like 30000 people deep. But I don't know. It is cool to see and like the mix of everything. But for you to look back on this because you were at the forefront of all this. We talked about the state of hip hop right now. But, like, what a. Like you said, like, if this is your. If it's the last album with you and him on it, this is a good album to go out on, right? How you feeling?

[Havoc]

Hell, yeah. The infinite album with some tracks from Alchemists. Come on.

[Marty O'Neal]

You know, it's only right. It's like, it's the right way to do it.

[Havoc]

Come on. And, you know, we just put out another single. We did the against the World, and then, you know, that was like, Bases Loaded. And then you get Taj Mahal with Alchemists, and it's like, yeah, yeah, I.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Like that Scientology one too. Was that what it's called?

[Havoc]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Scientology. That was dope. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I hit me. He was like, yo, I want you to get on this song. I was like, oh, hell yeah. It was that one.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

So this. This. This kid from the west coast, how. How are you meeting him?

[Havoc]

Yo, by luck, because, you know, there was some guys that used to hang around us that got cool with Mugs, right? And then when those guys got cool with Mugs, those guys got cool with Alchemists, right? They got cool with Alchemists, and they used to be going over there. I'm like, who's this guy? This. You know, this, you know, he selling weed and out of his apartment and.

[Marty O'Neal]

Making beats just to clear up her. You're talking about, like, be real. Cypress Hill.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah. Mugs is. I mean, Cypress Hills. Yeah, be real, C.J. mug. Cypress.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

And he was 14, 15 when they found that guy.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah. He had a whole group, you know what I'm saying? Alchemist had a whole. Another group. But, you know, I didn't hear about it at that time. So that's how I met Alchemist is through. Because the guys that used to be around us kind of got cool with Mugs, and then Mugs is, you know, got Alchemist in the camp. And so they had forged a relationship with Alc. And I'm like, what's going on over there? And it's Alc in New York, you know what I mean? Just making beats and selling weed and. And the Beats was crazy, yo. I was like, yo, who the is this? Like, the Beats was like, you know what I'm saying? Chunky dope samples, chopping them. You know what I mean? And then me and him became cool from there, and then we just started letting them produce.

[Marty O'Neal]

Did he already have that east coast grimy Sound or did he develop that for you guys?

[Havoc]

I didn't even know he was from the West Coast. How about that?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I didn't know that until I looked his. Wikipedia, like, you're from here or some.

[Havoc]

It's the.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I told you. It's the big jacket West Coast. I mean, East Coast. Like, I couldn't I not know.

[Marty O'Neal]

It blew my mind, actually.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Like a Jewish guy, he's definitely from the East Coast. Like, you're from the West. Blew my mind, man.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

It was such a defining sound.

[Havoc]

It really was, for sure. It really was. I mean, you know, his. His level of skills when it comes to production, you know what I mean? It's like, nobody can't with him. I mean, he's. He's really. Because he pays attention. He's focused. He does the little things that, you know, I'm saying that, you know, the general public probably wouldn't pay attention to, but if it wasn't there, you'll know.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Totally.

[Havoc]

You know what I'm saying?

[Marty O'Neal]

His beats have an extra layer of polish that a lot of producers don't have on it.

[Havoc]

But he has different styles, you know what I mean? Like, he'll do a style like this, this, and then he'll do another style where he be like, what the. That's not supposed to work, but it works, right?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

No, like, some of it's like horror.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Kind of feels like. Like a bad, scary movie's about to start sometimes.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

His beats fire me up. Like, they make me want to run. They make me want.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Saying, put gloves on. Like, what? Who's gonna fool? Am I gonna fight? That's how it feels like. Damn, dude. Like the beginning of a boxing movie.

[Marty O'Neal]

The only other producer that hits me like that is Swiss beats sometimes the way his. The can just make you want to go like those DMX beats.

[Havoc]

Swiss is a monster, you know what I mean? Hands down. You know what I mean? And he was doing that from a young age, right? Like, just doing this just came out of nowhere. And producing for, like, one of the best artists in the world, dmx.

[Marty O'Neal]

Were you knowing him that whole time?

[Havoc]

Did I know Swiss Beast at the time? No, no, no. I definitely didn't know him. Didn't even cross paths with him back then because he started coming in at, like, the early 2000s, like, something like that. Late, late 90s, like, 99, 98, something like that. Maybe. I don't know.

[Marty O'Neal]

Did you know Nas is a killer?

[Havoc]

Yeah, definitely knew Nas as a kid from, like, preschool. Like, literally, like, every. You know? Yeah. We knew each other from preschool. That's how long we known each other. And then we started hanging back out with each other as teenagers before we had record deals. And then next, you know, live at the barbecue happened and I was like, oh, hello Spotify. We interrupt your playlist for an important journeys announcement. Announcement. They say a remix never hits like the original. We took that personally. Gus Dapperton covered you get what you give and recreated the OG video. Click the banner, turn it up, forget the rules. This is your anthem of self expression journeys. Life on loud.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Small world. I mean New York just has in this such a small like what they call burrows. How many legends come out of. And not even just rap, just artists, actors, Broadway people. Like, it's crazy what these little neighborhoods produce, man.

[Marty O'Neal]

You had G unit walking around. You had Rockefeller. It's crazy around. You had like all this going on.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, I feel like now I think it's social media. The phone's kind of messed me. I think everybody is on is on a Persona thing more than like, who are you? It's more of like there's a camera out full, gotta look cool. Like, that's all right, dude.

[Marty O'Neal]

You can't get that. I always say, like, they'll never be artists. That authentic again is like for instance, like you guys coming up who had no awareness outside of Queensbridge. It was just you and your little lives. You didn't know what anybody else was doing.

[Havoc]

Nope.

[Marty O'Neal]

That was you that came out in that music.

[Havoc]

Yep, absolutely. And you know, we just was doing us, you know what I mean? Just telling our story. You know, New York was like, like the Motown for hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Back in those days, it's like that, like. So you mentioned in all these groups, like how the could all these groups just come out of this one place, all this talent. But as we see, there's a lot of talent all over the country that started coming out later and that's what really probably made hip hop number one. That different people from different regions could come in and get a piece and tell a story.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah. And to keep their sound like, you know, if it fools from Detroit and you know.

[Marty O'Neal]

Right, yeah, right, exactly.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You know, he's from the Bay.

[Havoc]

Even to this day, even with the new music, I can tell a LA artist from an Atlanta artist.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Not even the slang. It's just the way you pronounce words.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That's all it is.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, you can hear it.

[Marty O'Neal]

Speaking of Detroit, how did it come about that the beat got on 8.

[Havoc]

Mile because Eminem was a, was, was a fan of, you know, of, of the music like everybody else. Because he's a true artist, right? So he heard some, you know, oh, that is dope. And by the time he was doing a movie, he didn't forget about it. He told his story like, oh, so.

[Marty O'Neal]

He personally requested your beat.

[Havoc]

I'm sure he did it. He didn't request it personally from me, per se. You know, of course he had to get it cleared through publishing and all of that. Yeah, but he cleared it. And then when they got into the movie, I was like, damn, like, you know, like one of the best hip hop artists.

[Marty O'Neal]

It was so perfect and iconic.

[Havoc]

Has your beat in his movie, which is introducing you back to a new audience.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

The world at that point, right. The whole world was captivated at that.

[Marty O'Neal]

You had to go nuts when you saw that when, when you, like, watched it.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah, Now I, I went crazy. Like, in my mind, I'm just sitting there trying to be cool because, you know, I'm from New York, so I'm like.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I wish I had that, man. I'm always smiling and yelling and, you know, if I got good cards, dude.

[Marty O'Neal]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I can't play poker with you fools.

[Marty O'Neal]

Completely random question. What's your relationship with weed and psychedelics and like.

[Havoc]

Well, my, my relationship with weed is, is kind of dope. You know, I'm opening up a dispensary in New York really, really soon.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah, the name of it, yeah, it's called the Bridge.

[Havoc]

Yeah, it's called the Bridge. Should be opening up any, any day now. So that's my relationship with weed. And, you know, I smoke when I want to, you know, put myself in some kind of movie and make some kind of crazy beat. I don't with the psychedelics, though. I will say that.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Have you before?

[Havoc]

I have, I have. And I, I get tired of seeing mouse prints on the wall. You know what I'm saying? That makes me see, like, little things on the wall and I'm like, no.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You'Re talking about like mushrooms or acid.

[Havoc]

The mushrooms. Mushrooms, Mushrooms making me. I, I, I was tricked into taking acid when I was in high school. Bad friend, Prodigy put this in my donut. He put this, he put this in my.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

What you mean like eating a donut?

[Havoc]

Listen, you know how you in high school and you got your traded and you like, oh, I forgot something from over here. Like, you want to go get something? When I came back, when I came back, somebody bit into my donut. So all my friends are sitting around like, yo, who took a bite of my donut? And Pete like, oh, me, man. My bad. You know what I'm saying? I see. I'm like, okay, you greedy. They stuff the mess tab inside the. Where they bit the donut.

[Marty O'Neal]

That's evil.

[Havoc]

So it's all good. So I'm eating the. I don't know. I'm eating this two periods later, I'm like. So they see me in the hallway. They like, yo, you feel it? You feel it? I like you. And I'm laughing and, yeah, I think.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You had a good trip, dude.

[Havoc]

Yo. Yo, I was tripping until the next day.

[Marty O'Neal]

How did you find out? I told you.

[Havoc]

Because I see them in the hallway and I'm laughing from. For no reason. It's like, you feeling it. I'm like, what you doing to me?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Damn, you guys have good friends. Prodigy was wild.

[Havoc]

Instantly be pissed. It was fun. It was fun, though.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Good thing he had a good trip.

[Havoc]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marty O'Neal]

That.

[Havoc]

I wasn't mad at him, but I was like, I never trusted my food around him again. And then after that, I. Yeah, I took the acid. It was like. On the newspaper.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Yeah. The sheets.

[Havoc]

Yeah. So we used to take those just for fun.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You're fucking around.

[Havoc]

You used to take those for fun.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Did you ever make music like that?

[Havoc]

I didn't.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Could you imagine some Pink Floyd shit comes out of you? You imagine?

[Havoc]

I. I didn't get a chance to. Because we only had enough money for the acid, not the equipment, so.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

You know, one of the other.

[Havoc]

Yeah, we. It didn't make it yet. Okay.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

And you said no mushrooms, right? You don't.

[Havoc]

I'm done. I know. I never say never. I never seen them.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Things are. They got it down to where, like, do you want to feel this? Do you want to see anything? You take this. You take this. They have, like, a little mall. I don't. I eat raw mushrooms.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Only thing I trust. But you say you don't like the print. It's just too much for you.

[Havoc]

Yeah, I just. It just be making me see. I'm like, nah, I'm straight.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Just like the ground doing this.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

It's always so fun seeing the floor wave. I don't know why. Like, humans are bored, man. We just take things to make our brain do other. It's kind of crazy when you think about it. Like, let me smoke this.

[Havoc]

I feel different, crazy.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I. I respect the people that are like, I have a runner's high. I'm like, word, I'll smoke a joint. But I feel you. I Don't have a natural high.

[Havoc]

What about. What about the ayahuasca?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

I'm really excited. I want to try it bad.

[Havoc]

Yeah. They said you got to be with, like, a shaman, a somebody.

[Marty O'Neal]

We had to be down for that.

[Havoc]

Hell, yeah. Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

We had the bare knuckle. David Diaz, he went to Mexico City to do it.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

He said that he was, like, fighting and he's a bare knuckle, so they had to hold his ass to the floor. Yeah. And he said he was like, I thought I was dying. I was falling and drowning. And then he's like, I saw all these Aztec warrior colors, and I was in armor. And he's like, I'm going to be a fighter. And he's a bare knuckle. Now he's like, I'm going to. I'm a fighter.

[Marty O'Neal]

I'm a warrior.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Warrior. Like, he was the. He talks about. He's like, I was dying but breaking out. I see that. You ever see the people do it and they're sitting there shaking and screaming in the water, but, like, when they come out, they're like, I. I've went and transcended because I. When I eat mushrooms, I eat like a hero. Like a seven, six grams. And I've been out of my body. I've been flying around my city. I've been doing a. I think mushrooms just unlock, like. Yeah, you're allowed to do that. Well, you just didn't remember. You had to take these mushrooms. It's another conspiracy theory, man. For real, dude.

[Marty O'Neal]

Our own brains.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Our own brains got a governor on them. Yeah, a governor. There you go. Yeah, yeah. If not fluoride. Thank you. That's why I use the baking soda toothpaste. I don't trust fluoride, man. It's in our water. In California, that penal gland gets calcified, everything up.

[Marty O'Neal]

Oh, sure.

[Havoc]

Yeah.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

When I found out about that, I wish I never did, because now I'm like, no, see it all right. Now everything's bad, right? The world is a Truman show, man. I guarantee you this is the camera that they're watching us on every time you're sitting there for sure. They're getting you, man. All right, cool. How long you been your murder?

[Marty O'Neal]

All right, all right, last question. So you traveled earth with your homeboys, your best friends, doing what you guys love to do, do across all genre or all time zones, frames of music. What's like when you think of the craziest fan experience you've had? What comes to mind?

[Havoc]

The craziest fan Experience that I had. I remember one time we was in the UK with. With the Alchemist, and this fan wasn't satisfied with the show, so he kept saying, like, yo, I want my money back. And we like, yo, wait a minute. How the you get back here? How are you backstage with us? I'm looking around. We looking around to see, like, is he with somebody back here? So we like, what the. We telling the security? Like, yo, this guy don't belong here. Just get him away. And then he's like, I. I want your jury. Like, you know, he want his money back. I think he was, like, asking for Alchemist's Shane or whatever. It's like, yo, man, get the out of here. So finally, they. They kicked him out. Eventually. We gotta go that way to go outside. So we go outside, and who's there? Him. He's just dead still. And this guy had to be like, 6 4.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Oh, he was a scary ass.

[Havoc]

Yeah, Tall. Like, how about my money back? And yo, Prodigy grab some contraption off the floor. It was some sharp kind of metal he grabbed. Real, real true story.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Havoc]

And we walking out, and I'm looking at Pete with the in his hand, and I just think it made. You know, he's about hold it, just, you know, just to look like he got something. And he just went off on this, like, hit him in the face. Damn, blood everywhere. Hurry up, get to the van. We go to the van. He goes to the middle of the street. He's pointing like he's about to pull a gun out on the car, the bed. We just. Whoa. We just got out of there.

[Marty O'Neal]

Damn.

[Havoc]

That's my crazy fan experience.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

The craziest fan experience. This fool some. Some tall man in the UK right now. Go see this scarf. Yeah. Bob Deep did this to me. I'm a fan. They beat the out of it. Could you imagine? Like, how was the show?

[Havoc]

They beat the. Yo, he was. I think he's awesome. Yeah, I think he was on mushrooms.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

No, if you. It's like, hey, this burger's bad. Give me your car. It's like, well, I can ask for my chain. The show was bad. It's like 40 bucks, bro.

[Havoc]

Crazy.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

All right, so, yeah, I can't talk.

[Marty O'Neal]

That was Prodigy. Hella aggressive like that. If he sensed danger, he's gonna like.

[Havoc]

Yeah. I mean, you listen to his rhymes. You know what you see is real. Yeah. What you see is what you get. I didn't tell him to do that. It's like he was in protect mode. Like, you know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

For sure.

[Havoc]

In a distant land, you know what I mean?

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

My land we left for tax purposes.

[Havoc]

Exactly, you know, so he went off, man. P P. You know, rest in peace, my bro, you know? All right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

That was fun, man. I know you have to get out of here. I know you have other things to do, but we appreciate you. Thanks for stopping by. 10, 10, 10 10.

[Havoc]

The album is coming out titled the Infinite. You know what I mean? Everybody go get it. It's definitely a good buy. I'm not just saying it, you know, Like I said, it'll land somewhere between infamous and murder music, but y' all take your pick.

[Marty O'Neal]

What about like vinyl merch all the time?

[Havoc]

Oh, we got all this. We got vinyl merge. Different variations of the vinyl. You know what I mean? It's that day and age now, you know what I mean? You gotta. It's more than just, you know, just the music on itunes. You got to give them something tangible.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

So I buy records still. I buy CDs. Like, you want to see that artwork? You want. If you really. It's not about like, I want this album. It's like I, I with this fool and this their new. Yeah, this is how you support people. You like, like buy that. That album artwork. It's just worth it every. I've never been disappointed in a CD artwork.

[Havoc]

Right.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

The goes into it, man. It's not. It's not like social media. You just press like and bounce. Like you keep this physical matters for music 100%.

[Marty O'Neal]

Where do people get that?

[Havoc]

They could go online and get it. I forget. Probably mass.com or some like that. You know what I mean? It's easy either way.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

We'll link. We'll link it. Cuz this will come out right before the album drops.

[Marty O'Neal]

Yeah, yeah. Next week, Tuesday.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

All right.

[Havoc]

Thank you, man.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

Thanks for being here. Appreciate you.

[Marty O'Neal]

Appreciate you.

[Dope As Usual (Dope as y. Thomas)]

All right, you guys, this has been the dope as usual podcast from Marty Havoc and I have a dope ass day.

[Havoc]

Perfect, perfect.