Reality Check w/ Dr. Dubrow | DOPE AS USUAL Podcast

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DOPE AS USUAL PODCAST

Episode: Reality Check w/ Dr. Dubrow

Hosts: Thomas "Dope As Yolo" Araujo & Marty O'Neill
Guest: Dr. Terry Dubrow
Date: December 9, 2025

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this highly engaging episode, Thomas and Marty welcome renowned plastic surgeon and TV personality Dr. Terry Dubrow for a wide-ranging conversation that blends humor, life stories, stark realities of modern medicine and plastic surgery, and a “reality check” on health, AI, and success. From candid discussions about the medical uses (and abuses) of drugs, to insight into Dr. Dubrow’s career, reality TV, body image, and financial wisdom—this episode goes deep and wide, maintaining an authentic, light-hearted tone throughout.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Drug Culture, Then and Now

• Opening Banter ([00:20–09:41])

  • Dr. Dubrow reminisces about weed culture in college, noting the shift in societal attitudes and legality (“I was glad it became legal...I grew up in the 70s when it became like a thing.” – [02:59])
  • Discusses the normalization and risks of drugs like MDMA (ecstasy), ketamine, cocaine, referencing both recreational and medical applications.
  • Ketamine’s clinical usage, including pediatric anesthesia and dissociation, is explained in depth (“You can take a kid...give them one shot of ketamine...they just go and they lie there, and it doesn’t change your vital signs at all.” – [06:01])

• Modern Risk Management ([08:11–09:53])

  • The group discusses the prevalence of fentanyl and the use of drug testers, highlighting the increased risk of overdose in modern party culture.

2. Dr. Dubrow’s Family, Early Career, and Reality TV

• Growing Up in an Era of Excess ([09:53–18:18])

  • Candid stories about Dr. Dubrow’s brother, Kevin Dubrow (lead singer of Quiet Riot), shed light on the contrasting paths the brothers took—rock star vs. surgeon.
  • “It was weird being a med student with a brother who’s a rock star with an album number one on the charts.” – [14:31]
  • Uncanny predictions about his brother’s death (“That’s exactly how he died...we’re living in a simulation.” – [16:02]).

• Simulation Theory & Manifestation ([16:18–24:44])

  • Dr. Dubrow and Thomas dive into simulation theory and the idea of controlling one's narrative, referencing the uncanny feeling of living in a “typed-up” reality (“Do you ever take it to the next level and think, how can I interact with the controller and take me to the next level?” – [17:15])

3. The Surge of Artificial Intelligence and Its Impact

• Anxiety and Opportunity in the Age of AI ([18:00–30:42])

  • Dr. Dubrow, Thomas, and Marty discuss the rapid evolution of AI, the proliferation of deepfakes, and the challenges AI poses for content authenticity.
  • Notable cases include scam AI-generated videos, language deepfakes, and music composed by AI bands.
  • “There’s a band that no one KNEW they were AI and in one month, they got 800,000...they did a song that’s like an instant hit, and it’s AI.” – [19:39]

• Authenticity in Content Creation

  • Discussions around the struggle for human creatives to stay relevant as AI advances, concern for deepfakes, and fraud in business using AI tools (e.g., scams using Dr. Dubrow’s likeness).

4. Health, Medicine, and Modern Weight Loss

• Skincare Truths ([33:58–35:30])

  • Dr. Dubrow dispels myths about skincare, emphasizing scientifically-validated routines (use of retinol, collagen, and the importance of balancing effectiveness with tolerance).

• GLP-1s, Ozempic, and Modern Obesity Medicine ([35:30–55:37])

  • Dr. Dubrow educates on Ozempic (semaglutide) and other GLP-1 agonists, placing them in the context of treating obesity as a medical disease, not a willpower issue.
  • Notable quote: “When you give them these medications, it’s like giving someone who’s got cancer chemo, it’s like someone diabetes giving them insulin...it treats the disease.” – [41:55]
  • Pros and cons, muscle mass loss, the future of weight loss drugs, and societal attitudes (“There’s still a little bit of a shame associated with [obesity]... That’s your physiology. It’s not your fault.” – [42:38])
  • Light-hearted moment: “Ozempic penis, baby. There’s the ad!” – Dr. Dubrow [55:08]

• Broader Wellness Topics

  • Intermittent fasting, peptides, testosterone, and the role of exercise vs. medical intervention.

5. Plastic Surgery: Regrets, Trends, and Hard Truths

• Botched and Plastic Surgery Rewind ([56:33–59:45])

  • Dr. Dubrow elaborates on his TV projects, where many patients seek reversal of previous enhancements due to changing tastes or life phases.

• Red Flags and Psychological Screening ([87:38–98:14])

  • The importance of mental health evaluation before surgery, especially when body dysmorphia or external influence (partners, fame) is suspected.
  • “If the why is not cool...there’s a way to not be as someone’s plastic surgeon.” – [90:24]
  • Risks of operating on patients with body dysmorphia, and the limitations of surgical “fixes.”

• Risks and Fatalities in Trend Surgeries ([100:54–103:53])

  • The Brazilian Butt Lift (BBL) is highlighted as the most fatal elective plastic surgery, with detailed explanation of the risk of fat embolisms.
  • “That operation is the most fatal in plastic surgery anyway. The BBL.” – [101:02]

6. Career, Success, and Financial Advice

• Compound Interest & Investing ([128:02–143:41])

  • Dr. Dubrow emphatically encourages young listeners to save and invest early, specifically in blue-chip tech stocks for compounding returns (“Take that cash flow, take 20 off the top and put it into stocks. Put it into the top seven tech stocks.” – [128:59])
  • Personal anecdotes about his real estate successes and setbacks, flipping mansions, and high-profile sales (“A Chinese billionaire knocked on the door and made us an offer we couldn’t refuse.” – [132:24])
  • Warnings about business, dishonesty, and always double-checking partners—even long-time accountants.

• Changing Landscape for Surgeons

  • Contrary to popular belief, Dr. Dubrow notes that surgical reimbursement has plummeted, making passion the main motivator rather than money.

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MEMORABLE MOMENTS & NOTABLE QUOTES

On Drug Use & Medical Trends

• “I believe in trying everything once.” – Dr. Dubrow [04:18]
• “Ketamine for pain...you can give them one shot and they just go...It’s called dissociative.” – Dr. Dubrow [06:01]

Obesity and Weight Loss Drugs

• “It’s not anybody’s fault who’s overweight...It’s a disease.” – Dr. Dubrow [41:29]
• “Ozempic is AI for the body, man. This is like the biggest...change in the history of medicine.” – Dr. Dubrow [39:38]
• “There’s a thing, and it’s a good thing. Ozempic penis.” – Dr. Dubrow [55:08]
• “Abs are made in the kitchen anyway. Right.” – Dr. Dubrow [50:17]

On Plastic Surgery Risks and Regret

• “You died just for a fashion statement.” – Dr. Dubrow on the risks of BBL [104:07]
• “There’s a component of plastic surgery regret...maybe what was great for me at 20–25 is not great for me at this stage of my life anymore. So can you take it away?” – Dr. Dubrow [57:25]
• “If you’re doing it because you think it’s going to save your life, it never works. If it’s to fix your relationship, that’s not going to work.” – Dr. Dubrow [89:04]

On AI, Technology, and Simulation

• “AI’s going to be the best doctor, best lawyer.” – Dr. Dubrow [24:22]
• “We have to insert AI in our brains. We have to become hybrids.” – Dr. Dubrow [25:00]
• “Living in a simulation. I don’t believe any of this is real.” – Dr. Dubrow [16:18]

Financial Wisdom

• “Take that cash flow, take 20 off the top and put it into stocks.” – Dr. Dubrow [128:59]
• “Compounding interest, Einstein called it the eighth wonder of the world.” – Dr. Dubrow [130:01]
• “Assume everybody’s going to rip you off. Check and recheck.” – Dr. Dubrow [138:46]

Pop Culture, Humor & Surprising Realness

• “My wife went on Real Housewives, and I impregnated her. She had four kids.” – Dr. Dubrow [63:07]
• “He was massively coked out...but what other med student goes ‘I just woke up, David Lee Roth’s in the yard’? What the **** is happening?!” – Dr. Dubrow [13:34]
• “If I make you normal, that’s going to be good enough. Normal is the goal.” – Dr. Dubrow [94:03]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Dr. Dubrow's views on drug use and society | 00:20–09:41 | | Quiet Riot & family history | 09:41–18:18 | | Simulation theory and AI’s rise | 16:18–30:42 | | Social Media Scams & AI Deepfakes | 19:39–32:49 | | Medical insights: Skincare, GLP-1s, Obesity | 33:58–55:37 | | Risks in Plastic Surgery and BBLs | 100:54–104:07| | Mental health and plastic surgery screening | 87:38–98:14 | | Nuances of the surgical career & success | 120:17–121:44| | Finance: Investing, real estate, compound interest | 128:02–143:41| | Entertaining pop culture discussions | 60:49–80:34 |

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FINAL TAKEAWAYS

• Plastic Surgery is Not a Magic Wand: Regret can follow trends, and medical dangers (like BBLs) are real and under-discussed.
• Obesity Is a Treatable Disease: Modern medicine offers powerful pharmaceutical tools, and the “willpower” narrative needs to shift.
• AI Has Changed the Game (and the Risks): From healthcare to music, AI is both an opportunity and a threat—a recurring anxiety in the episode.
• Invest In Your Future: Start early, save, invest in blue-chip stocks, and always double-check your business partners. The eighth wonder of the world—compounding interest—shouldn’t be underestimated.
• Embrace Luck, Stay Authentic, Remain Flexible: Dr. Dubrow’s journey from surgeon to reality star, and his blend of relentless curiosity and old-school honesty, provides a blueprint for resilience and reinvention.

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Listen to Between Us with Terry & Heather Dubrow (drops Wednesdays on iHeartRadio)

“Plastic Surgery Rewind” streaming on Peacock

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“Assume everybody’s going to rip you off. Check and recheck, check and recheck.” – Dr. Terry Dubrow [138:46]

“When you give them these medications, it’s like giving insulin for diabetes...treat the disease.” [41:55]

“Ozempic penis, baby.” [55:08]

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For anyone wanting a wild ride through medicine, celebrity, AI, and the future of health, this Reality Check delivers it with humor, depth, and plenty of memorable moments.

Transcript

[A]

To you.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Perfect.

Perfect. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the dope as usual podcast. My name is Thomas Dopas. Yolo, whatever you want to call me. This is my co host, Mar o'.

[B]

Neill.

[C]

What's up, guys?

[B]

So.

[A]

So, guys, we have a very, very special guest today. I know a lot of you are recognizing this person right off the bat from the thumbnail, but let's just get started. I have a lot of questions. Welcome, Dr. Dubro.

[B]

Thank you. Excited to be here. I love the set. It's amazing.

[A]

Thank you. I always ask, you can name these characters, obviously. Gremlin.

[B]

Yeah, this one. That's the gr. That's, yeah, Gremlin things. That's right. Yeah. I can name pretty much all of them.

[A]

All right, all right.

[B]

I know this from college.

[A]

Nice. All right.

[B]

They still, still do bongs.

[A]

They still do bongs.

[B]

They do bongs.

[A]

Do a lot of them.

[B]

A lot of bongs. Yes.

[A]

There's a six foot one right there. If you can't see it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's behind that light.

[B]

What about atomizers? You ever do those?

[A]

Yeah, everything.

[B]

That's a way to do without any heat, right?

[A]

Oh, you're talking about vapor. Like vaporize, like the volcanoes.

[B]

Yes. You ever do that's not really. You never caught on.

[A]

I just, I was actually in Germany with them recently at their debut or at their anniversary. Like, that's my favorite thing is. Is as a kid in college. That's my favorite thing. I just met the owners of that, actually. They're cool.

[B]

That's very cool. It's come a long way, huh?

[A]

It has come a long way.

[C]

Expect him to come in here, talk about dabbing.

[A]

I know, I know. We.

[B]

I've never dabbed.

[A]

No.

[B]

No. Been interested. Always wanted to try.

[A]

Oh, you're so on the other side of this. I have the biggest weed YouTube channel. That's what I've been doing for 10 years. So then I transitioned it to the show and now we just have different guests. It's not so weeded out, but there's still some stuff.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, I didn't know. We usually, as a guest, this, this room is usually completely smoked out. But you know, for certain guests, like, no, no, they want to smoke. We'll figure it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just don't like to get people stuck and they're like, I just met you.

[B]

Yeah, no, I, I, you know, because of my profession, I rarely, rarely do it, but every once in a while I partake. In fact, there was an episode of Real Housewives of Orange county this season, which you probably don't watch.

[A]

Oh, my wife watches and my mother in law loves it.

[B]

Okay. And you know, they're my, my wife threw a birthday party and there was a weed bar there.

[A]

Oh man, I should watch the Desperate Husband. Yes.

[B]

And when you're a house husband, they sort of highlight and expand something you've done and hopefully it's not something negative that, you know, you fought with one of the housewives and they blow that up. At this, at this party, all they showed me is I said, oh, what's this? Oh boy, I haven't done this in a long time. And I took a few hits and maybe a few more than the whole, my whole narrative in that party, in that episode was me being stoned, just going up to everybody going, what's that?

[A]

I did not expect the episode to start this way. I'm so excited.

[B]

Yeah. All right.

[A]

Okay. So most people are very, they shun things. But you have an open mind. That's all it really matters. Well, you're a doctor. It's. Some of. It's medicinal.

[B]

For some people it is. And you know, I was glad it became legal, you know, but I grew up in the 70s when it became like a thing. All right, the 70s it was, was barely illegal. I mean, well, people didn't really know about it. You know, it was before like ecstasy was sold in a health food store in Westwood. Can you believe that? Ecstasy was legal.

[A]

Like pure mdma.

[B]

Like pure MDMA was sold at the great vitamin store on Westwood Boulevard in Los Angeles. In, in Westwood, la. Yeah. And I was a medical student. And I remember, I'd never heard of it, but I remember people saying, hey, you know, it's, it's about to be illegal. They're only going to sell it for three more months. You should load up on it. I go, what is it? So I, I never really, I was in med school, I was studying like crazy. Never really got around to it. But I remember it was fully legal and you could buy, you know, high grade stuff on the shelves.

[A]

That's one thing I do. I don't do hard drugs anymore because I want to live.

[B]

Yes, good idea.

[A]

But that we were friends. Me and ecstasy were very good friends.

[B]

I've done it like.

Twice and it was pretty, it was pretty amazing.

[A]

Yeah, I love hearing it.

[B]

I mean, I'm doing this. I'm a doctor. Yeah, you're a doctor and that stuff. I really don't. But I tried ever. I believe in trying everything once.

[A]

Oh, this is great. Me too.

[B]

You ever try lsd?

[A]

Yeah, no, that's the one. That error. One of the only things I've never done.

[B]

I've never done heroin, but, you know, in college I did LSD once.

[A]

How was it?

[B]

It was, you know, it's amazing because it's little. Little nothing on. On a blotter you put on and for the next 14 hours you think you've figured out life. I get it, I get it. Oh, my God. And then about 12 hours and I go, I get it. But I'm done with it, you know. And the next morning you go, yeah, I got it. And I sort of remember getting it, but yeah. Anyway, I have to go study, you know.

[A]

It sounds amazing.

[B]

Yeah, it's not a thing. Is it lsd?

[A]

Oh, no, it's.

[B]

Oh, it's a thing.

[A]

It's still huge.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

People have found very creative ways to do it. They sell it and you know, dmt, they have little vape pens now. So every time you hit a vape and ask, this is weed, right? Because my friend sells. Sold DMT pens.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Just one hit and it's the same as blasting off. So could you imagine? Let me hit your pet at a restaurant. Well, DMT by accident. So you always got to be safe.

[B]

It's such a commitment and so that's why.

[A]

Such a commitment.

[B]

Yeah. And then I was talking to one of my sons. My son's very straight, okay. And I always, when he's growing up, I go, hey, try this. You know, I mean, when he got after 18, he goes, Nah, I don't really. But I was talking to his friends and ketamine is a thing.

[A]

Huge. He opened a clinic, my friend.

[B]

But they, they. They somehow get medical grade. My son doesn't do this. Okay. They get medical grade and I guess you know this. And they cook it and then turn it into. They dehydrate it, just like a powder to a powder and they snort it.

[A]

Way more fun. I think you've never.

[B]

You don't know this.

[A]

I haven't done. I've seen it. And I'm like, you know what? Horse drink. I'm good.

[B]

Is. Yeah. I would.

[A]

After I stopped doing drugs.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I wouldn't do any of that stuff, but it's amazingly useful for patients in the emergency room. Ketamine for pain. So you can take a kid who has a. It's probably not the direction you want to go with this. You can take a kid who has a laceration like a seven year old, and you have two choices. You can't really sew it up under local and say, hold still, I'm going to put it. Lidocaine in your numb lip and numb you up. You can take them to the operating room, put them under anesthesia and do that whole thing. Or you can give them one shot of ketamine and they just go like this. They go. And all of a sudden they just go and they lie there and it doesn't change your vital signs at all. Pulse doesn't go up, respiratory rate doesn't go up. They just become like this.

[A]

How long does it last?

[B]

It lasts about 45 minutes.

[A]

Oh, perfect.

[B]

ER docs do it all over the world and they're just laying there and you sew them up and it's done and they wake up. What was that? I don't think that's the way it's used recreationally.

[A]

I mean, maybe.

[B]

No, I don't think anybody's sort of going to academy party just going like this.

[A]

But it's the K holes.

[B]

Oh, I've heard of that. That's when you're messing up and you hate it. Right.

[A]

It sounds like purgatory.

[B]

It does.

[A]

It sounds terrible.

[C]

Yeah, our friend had a K hole while they were putting his shoulder back.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[B]

Oh, so they did use it for that. Right. And he was aware of it.

[C]

Yeah, it was like a little.

[B]

You're aware of. Right.

[C]

You made it seem like he was falling through eternal damnation and hell.

[B]

Yeah, no, properly done, clinically appropriate ketamine. You're not a. You're like, not here. You're just. It's called dissociative. So you're just gone.

[A]

I do that, the dmv, every time.

[B]

It's like you're, you know, beam me up, Scotty. I don't know what that stuff is. Star Trek. I don't know if that still is in the cultural zeitgeist anymore.

[A]

It is and it is. It's just new ones, they're not as good.

[B]

Right, okay. But you know, you. You, while you're being beamed up to another planet, you're just not there.

[A]

Sounds like everything I've ever dreamed, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To be here. But I'm not here. Oh, man. Sounds like I'd get through. I can go to college. I can go back to college is what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah. I was quizzing his friends and, you know, cocaine is still a thing. No, not.

[A]

I know. I mean, I just. I wouldn't.

[B]

It's just. How can you do cocaine with the fentanyl and they. What they do is they testers, they test it.

[A]

I have a friend that sells keychain testers for people that do drugs. You just test it right then and they're like. Takes you 30 seconds to maybe not die.

[B]

And you can depend on it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. They sell all their Amazon. They're cheap, really, so they can get them out everywhere.

[B]

So I said to one of them the other day, because, you know, they're all in town from college for Thanksgiving, I said, you. You trust a tester? They go, yeah, but we still make sure those guys do it. First we wait an hour and then we'll do it. That's the ultimate test.

[A]

But anyway, I'll go smoke a joint at that point.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I'm not gonna wait an hour. But you're not dead. We're good.

[C]

We'll give it a try.

[A]

Yeah, right. Look how smallpox blanket is this? No, thank you.

[B]

Did you think I'd start with a drug infused.

[A]

I did not. I did not.

[B]

Well, you know, I grew up in the 70s and 80s, so, you know. Miami Vice.

[A]

Miami Vice is great. Those suits are coming back.

[B]

Are they? Yeah, Johnny Versace.

[A]

They're coming back.

I love teal. Yeah, I have a teal car right now. If I wasn't just like, hey, that's him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The only teal car.

[B]

Yeah, that was a. That was an interesting style. I remember when I met my wife and I, she went to my closet, I had all these Johnny Versace, Miami Vice suits. She goes, and it was like 80. No, it was like 93 by then. She goes, yeah, no, by 93 they were done. They were. They were way done.

[A]

Who was it? The rest of Razor Ramon wore those. He made those popular too.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

He's the only other guy that made Miami Vice suits popular. Yeah, but you're saying you grew up in the 60s and 70s. We're doing research on you.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

I'm going through these facts. I'm like, there's no way. I have to know. I'm a very, very, very big 80s.

[B]

Glam metal band, okay?

[A]

And when I'm reading, I'm like, were you shocked? Wrong. Not real.

[B]

Do you see the face, though? Oh, no.

[A]

The second I was like, the mask is up. Oh, okay. Never mind.

[B]

It's the same face.

[A]

Sameness.

[B]

It's the.

[A]

Exactly the same.

[B]

Weird. Can you sing? I can't at all.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Like, like, not even, like, happy birthday. It's pathetic. Like, when I was a waiter, I waited tables all through medical school. They pull people. Hey, we're doing the Happy Birthday, they go, not you, Terry. Go, you know, I can't. Yeah. But what was interesting was my brain.

[A]

Brother of everybody that doesn't know my.

[B]

Brother, Quiet Riot, the lead singer of Quiet Riot, the first metal band to go number one on the charts. You know this, right?

[A]

I love, I love 80s music. My mom, I grew up on it.

[B]

Oh, really? Yeah. And so he, in high school, decided he was a good drummer, but he said he wanted to be a front man because he loved all the, the hard rock bands where there was like Rod Stewart and Steve Merritt. Probably none of these guys.

[A]

No, I know exactly what you're talking about. Rod Stewart's not that hard. But he was at the time, right? He was like, right.

[B]

He wasn't hard, but he had the look, you know, he was that guy. So he, he wanted to be a singer. And I go, yeah, here's the problem, Kevin. You can't sing. And I. He goes, he goes, yeah, but I'll. I'll make it happen. I go, I don't think that's a talent that you can just make happen, you know, I don't think you can become as hard as you try. You can't really become like Tom Brady. You sort of have. Although you have to be born with a little, particularly singing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Vocals. I think so. Right. And so he literally, through sheer will and inspiration and intensity, became a hard rock singer. He went from, like, not having a voice he could find, couldn't carry a tune, to like having a real bonafide. Interesting, great hard rock voice. Amazing he could do.

[A]

How old were you?

[B]

So I was three. I'm three years younger than he was.

[A]

Okay, so you're in high school?

[B]

I was in high school, yeah. I was like 14 when he decided he wanted to become a singer. And then he tried to make it in the LA music scene. And his band was very big in the LA music scene, but couldn't get a record contract. So he, he finally got a record contract and then the album came out, hit number one. And in my second year of med school, I lived in his guest house in Hancock Park. He had this big mansion in Hancock park and he said, I'll let you live in my guest house just as long as you take care of my cat. And so what a great trade off. Great trade off, right. Except one night he came home from tour and he was all coked out. He was with, I think, David Lee Roth and Eddie Van Halen, just, just. And David Coverdale. You probably don't know. I don't know who.

[A]

David.

[B]

Yeah, he was in a band called White Snake. White Snake, Here we go.

[A]

I know somebody's name. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Yes. Tonica Tang. Yeah, she was on Botch, by the way.

[A]

Was she?

[B]

She was on.

[A]

Oh, we'll get into that. I want to know what she did.

[B]

Yeah, she was. Not much, but anyway, so he came home one night and I didn't know he was in town. I'm sleeping and he yells, hey. At 4:00 in the morning. And I wake up and I look down in the backyard because I'm in the guest house in the back above the pool house. He goes, where's Larry? His cat? I go, shit, I don't know where the cat is. And I go, I couldn't find the cat. Cat was in the main house. And he kicked me out the next morning.

[A]

Yeah, because of that.

[B]

Because of that. Because your one job.

[A]

Did he stay awake and kicked you out?

[B]

He was away. He was away. He told my mom, he's out. But he goes, your one job is Larry. And you couldn't even find Larry when I came. You're out of here. He was massively coked out.

[A]

Yeah. I would say there's no way. That was like, you're my brother. Get out. Yeah, no, I'm still awake. The sun's coming up.

[B]

Yeah. And so.

[A]

But also, what other med student go? I just woke up daily. Ross in the yard. What the is happening? It was a wild time in life.

[B]

It was a wild time. I remember back then when you, you had an answering machine. Okay. You'd come home, they didn't even have the remote for the answer.

[A]

You just pressed it way before.

[B]

You pressed it way before your time. But you come and go, okay, so who called? There'd be. And one time there's like seven messages and they're all from my mom. And you know, oh, Your brother's album's 88 on the Billboard charts with a bullet. That meant it was accelerating in sales. Oh, going up fast. So then the next week, 8 hit 72 on the chart with a bullet. And then ultimately I come home and she goes, your brother's album is number one on the charts. We went, it was weird being a med student with a brother who's a rock star with an album number one on the charts. Weird. What a weird time. Weird.

[A]

And what a perfect brother for him to have. Because if he had a degenerate, it wouldn't have been good.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Could you imagine if you weren't you, you would have took. You would have Taken advantage of that. That life.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you wouldn't be where you're at, for sure.

[B]

For sure. And they did a. You know, what was the name of that? Well, they did all those magazines with the rock stars on the COVID My brother was on the COVID of this one. And they did an article on me and my brother, and you can find it online. There's a picture of me holding a stethoscope up to his neck, and he's going, like that. So it was a cool moment for us.

[A]

Yeah. And you're. You're the little bro. It's just. It is a cool moment to go, wow. Not just because you're proud, but more of like, this is the number one.

[B]

Album in the world, you know. What was number two was Thriller. Number three. Number three was All Night Long, I think.

[A]

Oh, you're talking about Lionel Richie.

[B]

Lionel Richie, Wow. I know we have it at home. The.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's something you got to keep. And, like, that message. Like, that's a tape I would frame. Like, yeah, number one on there.

[B]

And just a final story.

He. I used to see to him, dude, there's a company called Bad Company. There's a band called Bad Company, of course, that did this song called Superstar Johnny Died one night Died in his bed Bottled sleeping tablets by his head. I said, it's a greatest song. Okay, you got to hear it. But I said, kevin, that's going to be you, man. You're going to die in your bed bottle of sleeping tablets by your head because you can't go to sleep because you're coked out.

That's exactly how he died. Oh, that's exactly how he died, like, some 30 years later. Yeah. Oh, what a weird, prophetic thing. I told him. And it came true, by the way, just so you know, I believe we're living in a simulation. I don't believe any of this is real.

[A]

Anyway, are you genuine?

[B]

Genuine?

[A]

Okay, can we talk about that for a minute?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I genuinely, genuinely believe. When I walk into places and go, not some of you people aren't real. How do you function? Where are you going? That many houses in the world for this whole stadium to go to?

[B]

They're NPCs.

[A]

It makes me feel very odd sometimes. No, I'll be like, when I went to Europe for the first time, I'm walking around like, what button did somebody press? I don't believe that. Some of you people, I. I know they have lives, but to think about. You eat, you have a car. You have a car. Pim. You have a house, you have a child, you have this. All of that for everyone.

[B]

It's weird, isn't it?

[A]

It makes me. The past two years, I've been really like.

[B]

And look at this cool life you have. I mean, this is definitely.

[A]

Somebody definitely typed it up. And I thought about it. I was like, 10. Like, you know, be cool. This. Because I thought about this, what I'm doing when I was like, 15 with my uncle. He's like, yeah, someone's gonna pay me to drink beer. I'm like, someone's gonna pay me to get high all the time and just try different things and make videos about it. It's exactly what I do for my work.

[B]

So do you ever, like, take it to the next level and think, okay, so how can I interact with the controller and take me to the next level. Can you believe I'm this age and I have these thoughts? It's one thing to do it at your age when you know, you're. You're so of wild thinking and before life smacks you over the face a few times.

[A]

No, I think I'm. I think I'm of age to be, like, an adult now, finally.

[B]

No, yeah, I know, but you're so young that, you know, makes sense for someone your age to go, yeah, this is AI. And by the way, you're living in the most.

[A]

The weirdest thing in the world time.

[B]

In history, where every other we all of a sudden we went from nothing to this super intelligence.

[A]

Oh, like the microwave we had in, like, the, what, the 50s, and then now we're on the moon 12 years later. Don't. I don't. Don't call. I don't. I don't buy it.

[B]

Exactly. And, you know, I don't know if you know Gemini. You see what. What Google did with Gemini.

[A]

I don't like AI. Marty told me about AI. I do not like. I don't like the fact that it's like, ready? Here's. I make videos. I create videos. If I see. I saw a video of Abraham Lincoln. What's up, guys? About to go see this movie. Who is this guy?

[B]

Get away from me.

[A]

It's John Wilkes Booth. Like, back up, man. It's my seat. All right, Catch the flick later. Bye. Like, I can't recreate that better than that with actors.

[B]

And that bugs me, by the way. Just, you know, I have a very, very good friend. Well, his name's Richard Mark, so you probably don't know who he is, but he has 14 number one hits.

[A]

He's writing Them?

[B]

No, he was the. He's a pop performer of the 80s. He was huge. Richard Mark. Do you got any. Do you know Richard Mark?

[A]

I don't know that name at all.

[B]

Okay, so he does songs like, right here waiting for you. Okay. Anyway, look him up after this. After this interview.

[A]

His name is Richard. That's the name of the group.

[B]

Richard Marks is his name. He's an extraordinarily talented pop star from the 80s.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Huge. He's written like. Like. Okay. Do you know this one song? Not only is he an amazing performer, but he's also an amazing writer. So do you know this NSYNC song called this? I promise you, yes.

[A]

It's like a wedding song.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wrote it. You know, they said, hey, we write. He wrote it and he wrote Luther Vander. Anyway, he's.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway, I. I was texting him the other day. We're very good friends. And I go, so are you a little worried about this whole AI Music generation thing? Because you know about the Spotify band sound?

[A]

No.

[B]

Something cloud. You don't know about this. Okay.

[A]

Band.

[B]

There's a band that no one KNEW they were AI and in one month, they got 800,000. I think it's up to like 2 million now. And they. They did a song that's like an instant hit, and it's AI I know.

[A]

It just makes me feel like, what am I supposed to do?

[B]

Well, you're going to provide this content.

[A]

No, I'm saying as a human, like, what am I supposed to do if the computer made it better than I ever could? I know it, but it's like. It's like you like, hey, do you want to do surgery? No. Do the robot today.

[B]

Well.

[A]

And a robot sitting here just doing everything for you.

[B]

The good news for me, it'll never happen in my lifetime. It will happen in your lifetime. You'll have robots who are better than me for sure.

[A]

But doesn't that make you upset? Like. No, A personal thing. It's like, I feel like surgery's personal. Like, I don't want to rope if it cuts me by accident, it's not gonna feel bad for me or come and check on me weeks later. I just feel very odd.

[B]

It's gonna be so much better than.

[A]

What about an AI Robot football player? Yeah, I mean, like, when does it stop? Or like, the Strong man?

[B]

Yeah. It'll just be a different thing. But, I mean, aren't you into robot driven cars now?

[A]

No, I hate them.

[B]

Have you been on a Waymo.

[A]

I Will never get in one. I hate. I was thinking about getting one and just spot boxing it because I can't get pulled over. Technically, I'm not driving. I think it'd be funny.

[B]

People do that. People. My. My son said he didn't want to get one because he found some coke in one the other day.

[A]

Yeah, Robot cocaine.

[B]

By the way, just so you know, you're super young, but you're also instantly super old. You know why? Why? Because you're one of those people who lived before.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

All of this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're saying what all the people did. Oh, a car. I'm still. It won't be reliable. You're still gonna need a horse, you know. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I'm the generation. I'm on the cusp of, like, new.

[B]

You're, like, really young, yet really old.

[A]

Instantly scares me. It just scares me because. Right. You have a Tesla, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you're driving and it just hooks a hard left, hits the wall slightly on the freeway. No one's ever gonna believe you. That went. I swear I didn't do it. It jerk. Yeah, it messed up.

[B]

Yeah, but it's all in the videos. And you're sitting in the back seat.

[A]

I feel like. What's that Tom Cruise? That one where he's talking about Minority Report. Thank you. It feels like Minority Report. Like you can make me do. I just watched the new Running man, which was actually really.

[B]

Oh, is it good?

[A]

Really good man.

[B]

Who stars in that?

[A]

The Ryan Powell. Glenn Powell.

[B]

Oh, that dude. A new young. Yes, yes.

[A]

Buff guy. He did a great job. I'll say. But that's exactly how I feel. The world's turning. Like, you know, someone sends you a video. Hey, how you doing? And they changed my face and going, I hate everybody of this race. I hate. You know, I mean, it can make me do anything. We did an AI of me talking. This company is perfect Spanish.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I will speak Spanish. My whole family was so happy. I'm the only one that speaks Spanish. And they heard me speak Spanish. And I'm like, that sounds better than I'll ever speak Spanish.

[B]

I don't know. I love it because I was doing a case the other day, and the patient's diastolic blood pressure suddenly dropped. And so, you know this 120 over 80. You've heard of that? Systolic, the upper one. Diastolic is the lower one. It's. It represents heart. Heart. Right. Heart filling. Okay, whatever that means. You don't need to know. But. But all of a sudden, the diastolic dropped and none of the other vital signs dropped. The O2 saturation was the same, the pulse was the same, the systolic pressure was same. Everybody, everything else was the same. And I look up and I go to the anesthesiologist, what's the deal with the diastolic blood pressure? He goes, I don't know. And it dropped further. And I go, well, maybe it has to do with reflex. There's less venous return, blah, blah, blah. And I go like this. And I go, well, are you going to treat it? He goes, I don't know. It was really weird. By the way this happens in surgery. It's like when you're flying and there's, you know, it's a weathered pattern. You hit it, you go, should we cruise above between. You know, you consult the air traffic control. I don't know. And then you figure it out. This is the way surgery works. So you're flying a patient. Okay. When you're an anesthesiologist, what a way to put it. But I get it. You are, you know. And so I go, hold on a second. And I go, hey, Siri, open up. Chat GPT. And it goes, oh.

That was AI at its finest. That's creepy, right?

[A]

Was creepy.

[B]

So I go, I go, hey, so the side, I'm doing an abdominal plasti and we put in the flex position and the diastolic blood pressure just plummeted to 30. But all the other vitals are the same. What could it be? And it goes, well, the differential diagnosis, it was like. And we had figured out the top three things that could be, but it immediately knew. And I go, so when should we treat it? Go, probably about now. You should consider treating. And I look at the answer, I go treat the. You know.

[A]

AI is cool.

[B]

AI is cool, man. AI is going to be the best doctor, best lawyer.

[A]

It can help, like for AI for guests. Like, I'll take the facts born here, this what they're doing now, that's fine, but I'm not going to let you come with my questions because then it's like I'm the not doing it right. And it just in when I go to sleep and be like, ah. They said great question, but it wasn't my question, right. It's like cheating on a test. And you get an award for like.

[B]

Is it cheating on a test? You know, it's. It's just, it's.

[A]

It's like a verge of it.

[C]

It's a tool. It's something you use.

[B]

So the only way we survive, in my opinion, is that we have to insert AI in our brains. We have to. We have to become hybrids.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We have to become, you know, bionic.

[C]

It's inevitable, right?

[B]

It's inevitable.

But wouldn't you like to be like, a sudden, you know, Remember the Matrix? Of course I know kung fu. Wouldn't you like to.

[A]

Just a good reference, man. We just went and watched the Matrix at the wraparound theater.

[B]

It still holds. It's amazing. It still holds.

[A]

And that Movie starts with AI I didn't remember that AI took over the world in 2002. Like, that's how the Matrix started.

[B]

I know. Anyway, I'm sorry.

With your podcast. I didn't mean to do that.

[A]

No, it's fine.

[B]

Talk about all the things. I'm into.

[A]

Simulation man.

[B]

It is, isn't it? I'm not real.

[A]

Seen things where I'm like, that doesn't make sense. Why? I wish somebody else was here. I'm sure you've seen little glitches. You're like, is that how it works or am I insane?

[B]

Glitches in the Matrix?

[A]

Yeah, because I woke up. I. I told Marty I woke up and my blinds, you know, the wood, they're like wooden, and you press the thing and they kind of flip or flip this way.

[B]

Y.

[A]

So the beat sun's beaming through it. And I wake up and I just see a bunch of numbers and letters in the light slats. And I did this and I look and I just see letters moving as fast as I've ever seen through all the light and went, I gotta do stuff. And I just got up and went to the bathroom.

[B]

Okay, how long after the Matrix that you. Did you see that?

[A]

No, this happened a couple months ago.

[B]

Before they saw the Matrix again.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it definitely happened. And it wasn't Matrix numbers, like zeros and it was letters and like. Like the Turkish letters, the weird letters with the squiggles and all that stuff. I'm not educated enough to know what that is, but I saw it and thought, oh, hieroglyphics, I'm going go brush my teeth and that. And I just went on, by the.

[B]

Way, I've had that my whole life.

[A]

Weird, huh?

[B]

That kind of weird stuff.

[A]

Yeah, my. My grandma has the. Has dreams about stuff that will happen. And then I caught it somehow. We've talked about it here. I've saved my life twice off of this already. Word for word, step for step. Almost got shot because of it. Like, I think when you have dreams, you're in another realm, your body's stationary. It goes somewhere else, goes. Hey, body's waking up. Hurry up, come back. And that's when you get stuck in that sleep paralysis. Because you're not back, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or something. I don't know what it is.

[B]

There is another thing, dimension going on there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's very odd and it's hard to talk about. Because people think you're insane.

[B]

No, no, no. It's for sure a thing. Well, look, you could visualize this happening. How did you create this? It just. You visualized it. There's a. Just as a whole nother situation going on there, I believe.

[A]

Yeah. When I went to across the the World, I'm like, is it really gonna be there? That's. I thought, like, when I get off this plane, I gotta touch a building and make sure I'm here.

[B]

And all these thoughts without drugs. See, in my generation, you had to do drugs to have these thoughts. Now you can do them perfectly straight.

[A]

Because drugs are in the food.

[B]

Drugs.

[A]

That's what. That's what it is. It's giving us epiphanies.

[B]

I mean, how did we go from like, nothing to just suddenly there's computers, who knows everything? And every week, you know what just happened with Gemini 3, right? From.

[A]

I don't listen to it. Marty loves it because it helps with.

[B]

Like, you know, Gemini 3.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

What is it called? Banana Pro. Banana.

[C]

Nano Banana.

[B]

Nano Banana. So this is going to bug you because of what you do for a living. But now, so the new Google Gemini. So, you know, there's ChatGPT, there's Grok AI, there's all these different AI and they're all competing. Which ones?

[A]

Oh, I said there was just chatgpt.

[B]

No, no, no, no. Grok. AI was the best for a moment. Yeah. And then there's Gemini from Google, and then there's.

[C]

Oh, there's.

[A]

Oh, Grok is in Twitter.

[B]

That's an anthropics, which is another one. There's.

[C]

I like Higgs Field. I like Open Art. I like Mid Journey.

[B]

Okay. So there's multiple AIs, and they're all comp. They're all getting better very, very quick.

[A]

Because they're competing.

[B]

They're competing. Yes.

Google's Gemini 3 just came out, and it's a leap above all of them. And right now, what is it called? Banana. What?

[C]

Nano Banana.

[B]

Nano Banana. It's a new app. It just came out like a week.

[C]

Ago, but it's, like, infused into. Into.

[B]

Into Gemini 3.

[C]

Gemini, yeah.

[B]

So you can Text it or say to it. Create me a podcast.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Of you and me sitting here and a person walks in and does this crazy thing, and then an alien spaceship takes off and it just goes. And it creates a video that's indistinguishable from real life. Right.

[C]

We've been using it for B roll for, like, shows that I help produce. I mean, it's all of our B roll now. Because you can take an image. I'll take. I'll make. I'll make an image, a starting point, an ending point, and it'll animate everything.

[B]

In between, but perfectly.

[A]

I don't like it.

[B]

I know.

[A]

What did they make a video of me just punching a child at the store. Like, that's Thomas. He did that.

[B]

Do you know what? Screwed. So I have a skincare line, a really big skincare line, and I do these. These little presentations on Tick Tock Live and Shop qc, it's called Shop hq, went bankrupt. That's why I moved to Tick Tock.

[A]

Oh, that's why?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Okay. So I go, I do, you know, these cheesy things on Tik, like live. And I'll do a video.

Sort of. And they'll sell. They'll put the video out and they'll sell the skincare products. Yeah. So these AI, this. These scammers use this AI app. Take my video and change it. So I'm talking in another language and have people send to an account in Hong Kong or somewhere else. Money scamming. And it looks exactly. It is me saying these things in another language and it's total fraud.

[A]

How could you stop that?

[B]

You can't. It's like whack a mole because we stop it. And then with another one. Another one. Just yesterday, another one came up in Sweden. Yeah. People DM me. This isn't you, is it? I go, no, I'm sorry, it's not.

[A]

I get that too, because people use my picture. For years I had this problem and they sell weed saying it's me.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I've gotten death threats. I've gotten people getting their accounts cleaned out for the past, like, eight years until I got a check mark and went, guys, there's a check mark. It has to be me. And then. Then it stopped.

[B]

So you can sell weed. You can't sell weed.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I have a company.

[B]

You have a company?

[A]

Yeah, we have a TCA company.

[B]

Yeah. Do you have a. Do you have a dispensary or you sell online?

[A]

Online.

[B]

That's so awesome.

[A]

Yeah, they're. They're They're. They're trying to put the ban on it next. Next November.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

I'm sure there's going to be a big politician like, hey, here's some money. Stop. Because he got paid from, like, a millionaire or something.

[B]

You sell dab. You sell all this. You have a huge weed company. I love that.

[A]

Yeah, I got a bunch of it. You could take it, use it for a ring.

[B]

Oh, no, I don't do that.

[A]

I don't do that. But, yeah, that's. That's what I do. We've been doing this for, like, five years. We do a bunch of stuff. I have a clothing line in Zumies, like the mall and whatnot.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's how I paid for everything for years until, you know, our company started to work.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, it's been cool. But what if somebody AI's me, but somebody keeps making fake sites and changing one letter of my site and then getting three, 400 orders and shutting the site down. And then. And then everybody comes to me, you didn't send my stuff, right, guy? That's not my site. And then they still mad at me.

[B]

They're doing it. Oh, same thing.

[A]

That's when you say, I go, oh, every day.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's the worst. And now that you said that with the AI, I can't wait till somebody goes, DM me. Make sure it's you sending pounds and it's going to be my face talking.

[B]

Well, you just have to say, you can only buy it from this place. Anything else is fraud.

[A]

Yes, but some people change one letter of my website and you don't notice it because it'll just pop up. And then people are like, oh, I didn't notice the E's not that. Oh, no. I spent 500 constantly. And it's in India. They keep sending the money to places. India, yeah.

[B]

Mine is. Mine is Hong Kong. It's the worst. Yeah.

[A]

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[C]

Back to the episode going back to the skincare products. Every ad for every skincare product works on my wife. We're getting this thing shipped to my house constantly. She get like literally aside from your own brand.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Like what actually works? What can you look for to help?

[B]

For skincare?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so there are just some things we all agree, plastic surgeons and dermatologists agree actually work. Okay. Retinol works.

[A]

The retinal therapy, right?

[B]

Yeah. Well, retinol is a topical cosmeceutical to rejuvenate your skin. Works. Okay. Yeah. You've heard of retin A, right? I could have swore you never heard of retin A.

[A]

No, because I, I never had acne. The facial lady. Yeah, I go to the facial lady and she, she does look at your skin.

[B]

Your skin's perfect.

[A]

Yeah. She does a micro needling. No.

[B]

Oh, collagen works.

[A]

I use like, I do a routine. I make sure I do it. It's like a collagen pod. You pop them.

[B]

That works very well.

[A]

It has some.

[B]

I don't know what's in it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So there are sooth. Sort of a lot of it works either okay, good or very good, depending on the strength of it. And obviously the pharmacy, the pharmaceutical prescription grade stuff can work better but can have more side effects. What you have to do is find the balance between what works for your skin and has no side effects but isn't, you know, sort of placebo either. You know, so it's, it's a long. We could have a whole two hour thing about that. And I don't want to bore you.

[A]

No, I'm actually Very interested. I want to look at Mario Lopez when I'm old. So I would like to take care of it today.

[B]

Right. Well, I'm obsessed with topical skincare. I'm obsessed with ingestibles. I'm obsessed with the GLP1s.

[A]

Do you know what those are? Ozempics and stuff, right?

[B]

Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm board certified by the American board.

[A]

Oh, I heard. I heard somebody try to tell you that you weren't educated.

[B]

Jillian Michaels.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah, that you weren't educated enough. So you went and got a spike degree.

[B]

I did. Amazing.

[A]

Do you watch Kirby enthusiasm?

[B]

No.

[A]

Did he get a spike store? Because his coffee place, he started making. Making a match. He opened the store next to it. A spite store. So that's what you did? A spite degree. I want way of putting that pettiness in life. That's what I want. I want that.

[B]

But. But here's the thing. I announced I was going to do it. Never announced you're going to do something that's really difficult because in case you don't achieve it, you look like a complete moron. I announced. And getting board certified by the American Board of obesity Medicine is like, no joke, okay? It's a year of study, and you've got to take an exam that's as hard as any other exam you've taken in your life and in a specialty outside of my specialty.

[A]

And you haven't been to school for how long?

[B]

Forever. And it's an internal medicine specialty. I'm a surgeon, okay? So I'm an expert in all things surgery. So if I wanted to do a surgical subspecialty board certification, that's a lot easier than doing one that's in the endocrinology, internal medicine, you know, obesity field. So I had to. And I started studying, going, oh, I don't know any of this stuff anymore. Right. Well, I mean, you learn some of it in med school, but it's all new because I went to med school 30 years ago, or 40, whatever I went to. So I'm reading this going, why did I announce? And I announced it on tmz, the worst place. The worst place ever. Because I said to Harvey and Charles, you know, from tmz, because they interviewed me, Jillian, Michael's gotten this big battle on in the media about it. And I said, you know, Jillian, if you want to give medical Advice, take the MCATs and go to medical school. And that went. That was hilarious and mean, but true. And it went massively viral. And she goes, what does he know he's a plastic surgeon. I thought, oh, you know, you could make that argument. But I am an MD and I do know a lot and I thought I better. So I said, well, I'm going to study for the American Board of. And I, I started studying. I realized this is an undertaking I do not want to do. But it was too late. Yeah, you have to, you know, you're public figure, you announce something, it's there forever. So I studied for a year. I took 10 days off before the exam and studied for eight hours a day. Took all these practice and I got a 94.

[A]

Oh my God, you crushed it.

[B]

So I'm board certified in obesity medicine, which is like.

[A]

So we can ask you any question about it and you're going to know full expert. Okay, ready? This is from my perspective. I have a lot of friends that like, yo, you need to take these and you take these. Yeah, but do I. Because this is what I'm thinking. Like I have a really bad back, right. I'm fixing. I have a bunch of. I have like 15. I have bulging discs in my spine, but they're like 6 millimeters, 7 millimeters, 5, 4. Not too crazy. But they're almost back. I've been going to a trainer. I can actually feel my back of work and function nice. And some people like, yeah, I'll just take, just take a little cycle of it, like. But I want to do it ready. If I go and take this ozempic stuff and it does help, which. It will, it will, it will. What is the cons to that? Like shrinking so fast. Is that muscle mass going too? Is that, that's my, my concerns about it. Because I'm huge. It'd be better if I wasn't. I'll get there, but it's going to take me two years to get there. No, I'm doing what I'm doing without that.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

Yeah. But with that it might be six, seven months. But is it health? Is it okay for me? Am I going to be brittle? I just feel like, is it taking my life force? You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, those are all the. No, those are your. Those are all exactly the right points. If you do it the way we now appreciate, understand how to do it, none of those things will happen. This is the, you know how AI.

[A]

Is AI for the body.

[B]

This is AI for the body, man. This is like the biggest.

[A]

Through your body.

[B]

It's the biggest change in the history of medicine to treat the number one risk factor for all causes. Big four Causes of death. You know, obesity is the number one risk is the number one risk factor for cardiovascular disease. The number one cause of death, cancer. The number two neurodegenerative disorders like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and the metabolic disorders like diabetes. If you fix the obesity, you won't get any gone. So this, these drugs are awesome. And there's another one coming out. Like Ozempic is like. So it's like ChatGPT 1.0. Okay, that advanced.

[A]

No, you want the new ones. That advanced.

[B]

The new ones is chap GBT5. We're at 5.0, chat GPT. The new one, there's another one coming out that's chat GBT7 point. In other words, there's about to be one come out that not only gets rid of your appetite, that controls your sugar, but burns fat. It's called Reddit True Tide, that's about to come out, 2026 or beginning of 27. It's so awesome.

[A]

But by the way, doing to your.

[B]

Body, so what it does, it's really good for your body, just so you know. So ozempic is called GLP1.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Your intestines make GLP1. It's a natural, natural occurring thing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

GIP is made in your intestines as well. That's Mounjaro. And you're increasing, you're giving yourself what's called exogenous GLP1, GIP1, just to control. See, the problem is the human body is defective. Okay, so you're. So what's supposed to happen is you eat something your body's supposed to make. This hormone called leptin circulates to your brain, says you're not hungry anymore because you've eaten. Most of us, me in particular, I could eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and never stop. And I never really get that full. And I can be sick to my stomach full, get home and go, what's in the pantry? And keep eating. So some people have it worse than others. It's a disease. It's not anybody's fault who's overweight. So when you give them these medications, it's like giving someone who's got cancer chemo, it's like someone diabetes giving them insulin. Someone's obese. You give these medications, it treats the disease. And if you know how to use them. Look, if you give too much insulin, you get sick.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, you give not enough. Insulin doesn't control your diabetes. If you don't give the GLP ones the right way, you have side effects. You lose too much lean muscle mass.

[A]

So it could do that if.

[B]

Sure. Just like, if you give any drug the wrong way.

[A]

I didn't realize. So you're opening your body's ability to create more of that by injecting this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you're like, turning it on turbo.

[B]

You're. Yes. You're just giving it a medication to treat a disease. If you think about it like that, that was.

[A]

I've never thought about it like. But you would give cancer patient chemo. You would give. Because obesity is like, you're dying essentially every day you're awake, shortening, you're dying.

[B]

Totally wreaking havoc on your back.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

On your heart, on your lungs, your kidneys, all of it. So think of it. That's the problem. There's still a little bit of a shame associated with it because people who are weights, like, well, you're overweight because you're not working out hard enough. You're not making the right food choice. No, no, no. That's your physiology. It's not your fault. That's your disease. Just like if you had diabetes, your pancreas, we wouldn't shame you for your pancreas not working well. We'd say, dude, you need some insulin. You go, thank you. Well, you need some GLP1 Gipsy, and you need the new one that's about to come out.

[A]

I've never been so convinced so fast by somebody saying it. Saying it medically, it makes more sense that way, but it's true. I don't want to work out. It just takes them.

[B]

But it's.

[A]

That's how I see it here.

[B]

Don't. That's because you're from the generation before all I hear. That's all you hear, It's a behavioral problem.

[A]

No, I just hear people saying, well, I don't really want to work out. Take Ozempic for, you know, for a couple months, and by the summertime, I'll lose 80 pounds.

[B]

Well, how about. But by the way, even if you did that, that's still so incredibly good for you that it's okay.

[A]

But is medically, what is that doing to my internal organs? Like losing that much fat and weight? Is it messing up? Is the cholesterol. Is. Is my. Are my arteries getting cleaned at the same time? Yeah. I mean, because. Yes, that's the big question.

[B]

Taking the visceral fat, the dangerous fat around your organs, your liver, your heart, and it's removing.

[A]

Sure, you.

[B]

You're losing more lean muscle mass than if you did if you did it with, you know, lifting weights, but you lift weights while you're doing it, you do it right, you take more protein, you lift weights, you take these medications and you become like a super healthy version of yourself and you get to live 25 years longer.

[A]

No one's ever said it, but it's true. No one's ever put it. No. In the, in the terms of if there's a diabetic person, you would give them insulin. If they're overweight, you would give them this to treat the disease, which is being obese.

[B]

That's what I was ragging on Jillian Michaels about. It's like, shut up. Up. You're making obesity sound like a behavioral thing. It's a disease. It's not something you do. You shame someone for having appendicitis? Do you shame someone for having arthritis? Diabetes? No, you treat it.

[A]

Yeah, you're right.

[B]

So this is the current, modern day, safe treatment for this.

[C]

What do you. What's considered obese?

[B]

So a BMI greater than 30. Okay.

[A]

Which is a lot.

[B]

So. Yeah. I mean, if you're like. So that's class one obesity greater than three, 30 to 35 is class two. 35, gotcha. Okay. Above 40 is.

[A]

What's the highest you've ever seen?

[B]

I mean.

Well, I mean, I've seen a patient. I don't, I'm not an obesity. I'm an obesity specialist, but I'm a plastic surgeon. As you know, I specialize in fixing disaster plastic surgery. That's my skill set. But so I don't really, I don't run an obesity clinic, but I have seen people walking around, you know, five, six hundred pounds, you know?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I have, I have some big friends.

[B]

But you're, you're, you're a young dude. Do you know what your hemoglobin A1C is? Do you even know what that is?

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Okay. I don't know. This is the dry. I'm sorry if I'm just tailing your, your help.

[A]

I've been. I went to the doctor this year and got blood work that I did all the stuff I'm supposed to do. I'm trying to get my back better because my back sucks so bad.

[B]

You know why your back sucks?

[A]

It's bad.

[B]

You've got a little too much weight on my back.

[A]

Got worse as I ready. I went vegan nine, ten years ago.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I stopped being vegan a year and a half ago. I gained 90 pounds being vegan because I don't, I still don't eat meat.

[B]

Yeah, because you.

[A]

And I know because I'm replacing it with breads. And. And this because I'm like, well, I'm starving. I didn't eat it. I'll eat this real quick. It's small. It's little, like, oh, it's all bread, you idiot. And I did that for a night and then started editing and I went back, started crunching, and I was gaining weight. I gained a lot of weight, just trying to be healthier, really. And now I'm reversing it. So now I'm back on eggs and dairy. And I'm. I don't know if I can do the meats, but I will take supplements.

[B]

So your life, your. The simulation in your life, the not realness thing, the reason I'm here doing this interview with you is because I'm going to tell you to go on those GLP ones. I'm going to make sure you do that.

[A]

Oh, dude, it's a thing. You're one of 10 people that keep.

[B]

Telling me, no, no, it's gonna fix you. Oh, it's gonna fit.

[A]

I have so many people in stem cells, they keep telling me, do stem cells.

[B]

No, you're not doing stem cells for your back.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Oh, why?

[A]

Please tell me no.

[B]

Because you're gonna do the thing that's giving you all the problems with you.

[A]

Oh, okay. I thought you meant because they suck. But no, you're gonna put the fire.

[B]

Big problem. You know, I get that you're not gonna. But you're not gonna wear a fire retardant. You're gonna put out the flame. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna go to the primary, putting these things.

[A]

I like, I like the way you say that.

[B]

That's.

[A]

They're gonna put on a fire retardant jacket. Stupid. Put the fire out.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. That's why I always say, like, I need to lose weight. My back is messed up because I'm too fat. That's why I was like, I need to lose weight and not do that.

[B]

But. But no offense, but think how silly it is. Like my. My son says to me, he goes, well, he's. I don't drink seed oils. And I'm into my. I'm avoiding microplastics. Do you know what all this stuff is? Seed oils and microplastics.

[A]

I heard it's all bad for you.

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

I mean, I am.

[B]

Because he's having, you know, four martinis.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

I'm going, dude, okay. Fix the four martinis before you fix.

[A]

The cuir while smoking cigarettes.

[B]

No, I was, I was saying. So someone in your situation, for example, doesn't want to do the Ozempics and the Mounjaros because the potential side effects and what are we really treating is we're going to find out something bad about it. Even though they've been around for 14 years by the way. And yes, I mean it's been used Mounjaro. The reason these drugs were discovered that they're so effective for obesity is because they were used so effectively on diabetics for 14 years. And all of a sudden these diabetics were so thin they lost all their body fat. And finally one doctor goes, you know, wait a minute, you notice how thin these diabetics are who are on Ozempic And Mounjaro rebranded and they did. Yes, it's exactly the way, by the way. It's exactly the way the Botox was discovered.

[A]

Was Botox supposed to do.

[B]

Botox was used for intraocular muscles that were spasming and giving people strabismus and all sorts of.

[A]

My wife just had Botox and her something nerve because she had tmj.

[B]

Tmj?

[A]

Yeah, they just did it yesterday to comment while she's clenching at night.

[B]

Okay. So this ophthalmologist goes, you know, if it paralyzes the intraocular muscles allowing the eye to, to be. Okay, what if I put it in the muscles around the eyes and all of a sudden this guy named Carruthers I think is. Yeah, he sticks. It sticks a little in these muscles and all of a sudden, oh my God, I just took 15 years off your face. And Botox went from a sort of niche little drug at allergan that was making you know, 80 grand a year to a multi billion dollar drug overnight. The exact same thing happened with Ozempic.

[A]

It was used different use for it.

[B]

They found a different use and it became. And the FDA, rather than putting it through their long FDA approval process which takes seven years because it was already shown to be safe in diabetics, they fast tracked it in like eight months.

[A]

That's what scared the public going this new diabetic medicine is too like when people like horse dewormer stops Covid like right. Oh, I don't know, maybe. Right. You know what I mean? Make people.

[B]

But it's safe in brittle diabetics.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

It's going to be safe in non diet.

[A]

You have to say it this way, not Dr. Way Go. Hey, don't be stupid.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Diabetics they can handle. You can handle it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, oh, you're right.

[B]

Yeah, you're right. It's the Great.

[A]

Because every time someone brings up the GLP stuff, like, hey, stop. I'm just gonna work out, man.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

Get off. No one's ever put it this way, though. Like, you're treating the fire.

[B]

You are treating. By the way, you know, abs are made in the kitchen anyway. Right. You can work out to your blue in the face. It's really hard to lose. Lose weight with working out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When I was a med student, I was very depressed over a girl, and. And my buddy said, dude, you need to get past this girlfriend thing that you broke up. I go, yeah, yeah. He goes, you know What? This was 82. All of a sudden, the LA, Los Angeles decided to have a marathon. The LA marathon. He goes, you need to start training for the la.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

For your head. And I go, you're right. It was like Forrest Gump. I just felt like running. I just started running. It was great for my head. That's why when I watch Forrest Gump, I go, I'm Forrest Gump. It's the same thing. And so I trained for the LA marathon. I figured I could eat anything I wanted. And I was. I was running 7:30 miles, and I almost beat three hours. I did 301. Wow. I know. Well, I did triathlons back then, but.

[A]

Oh, you're an athlete. No, you did three hours. What was yours, five?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's all two hours.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This guy's in shape.

[C]

5:40.

[B]

Yeah. But I. So I thought, well, I'm training for the LA marathon. I'm putting in 35 to 50 miles a week running. I could eat whatever I want. I gained seven pounds while doing it. By the time I ran the marathon, I was seven pounds heavier.

[A]

I would have thought the way you thought, too. Like, I can do. That's how I thought. I'm lifting weights.

[B]

Doesn't work. You can do all the cardio, all the weights. That's what Jillian Michaels is wrong. She's so ridiculously.

[A]

She said, you can eat whatever you want as long as you're working out.

[B]

No, you can do this. You can fix your weight issues with diet and exercise. And of course, if you look at the. The Netflix special on Biggest Loser, do you know she was on a show called the Biggest Loser?

[A]

Biggest Loser is like, hey, I'm £900. Can you make 300?

[B]

And so, yeah, I remember that. So there was a Netflix special.

[A]

It is the Lady, I was thinking. Sorry, because you said Jillian Myers. Like, why do I know that? Yes, I know exactly.

[B]

It was a Netflix special.

[A]

You should see.

[B]

It was only on a month. It was the number one show on Netflix. Well, it turns out behind the scenes, they were, like, giving them caffeine pills and starving them and not just exercising. They did so much more. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work anyway.

[A]

And that's okay.

[B]

I'm gone.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Bitch hijacked your podcast.

[A]

No, that's why you're here.

[C]

What about the intermittent fasting? I've heard.

[B]

I'm a huge fan. I wrote. My wife and I wrote a book, Mr. And Mrs.

[A]

Guinea Pig.

[B]

Dr. Ms. Guinea Pig. It was called the Dubro Diet, was.

[A]

Our second book, and that's the Intermittent has intermittent fasting involved in it. But the Dubro Diet has way more.

[B]

But it's based on intermittent fasting.

[A]

I. I like it.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

I like it. I did four days. I felt good. I felt energetic.

[B]

Way energetic.

[A]

Yeah, I felt good.

[B]

So after, like, eight, like, 16 hours of not eating, your body goes into this phase called this state called autophagy, where instead of breaking down toxins and food and all the things you eat, it goes, well, there's no food around. What do we do? Well, it's clean house, and it breaks down your own toxins and repairs your DNA and does all this stuff. That's the major benefit of intermittent.

[A]

Like a cleaning crew.

[B]

It is a cleaning crew at 16 hours ago.

[A]

All right, if I can make it to 24, I have 8 hours of getting cleaned.

[B]

That's exactly. That's exactly right. That's the major sauna.

[A]

Would you recommend sauna exercise while fasting?

[B]

Well, cardio fasting is. Is amazing. Yeah. Oh, cardio fasting. So if. When you're fasting, if you do cardio while during the fasting state, you get so much more calorie burn.

[A]

Really?

[B]

So, yeah, it's so much better for you. But look, at the end of the day, all of that is wonderful. I encourage you to do. Do that.

[A]

But, dude, there's GLP under the table.

[B]

And I'm not selling it, man. I don't sell it. I barely. I prescribe it for my patients who need to lose weight before, like, a tummy tuck or something. But I'm telling you, man, trust me on this. No, your simulation. I'm here today in your world, saying it good. You need to get on Mounjaro, Zepp bound tomorrow. I just feel like it's cheating it's not. Is. I get it.

[A]

The way you said it.

[B]

Eating for a diabetes, the way you.

[A]

Said it makes actual sense. I get it. All right, it makes sense.

[B]

You're good. Six months now. You know Terry Debro, thank God I. We invited him to do my podcast.

[A]

I'm gonna be six foot three rather than six months. I mean, the only person like dad.

[B]

He got tall off of it, by the way.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

Ready for this?

[A]

There's something make you tall. What is it?

[B]

A benefit. I'm gonna even turn you on further to this. What? All right, so they talk about ozempic face. You lose weight so fast.

[A]

I've seen that.

[B]

Okay. They talk about ozempic vulva. You ready for this? There's a thing, and it's a good thing. Ozempic penis.

Hold on.

[A]

Right in the bowls.

[B]

No, no, no, no. You take these GLP ones, you lose so much weight, your super, super pubic fat goes down. Your medial inner thigh fat goes down. All the fat around your junk goes down. Your penis is much bigger. There's much more junk in the trunk. As opposed to the negative side effects of ozempic face. Ozempic body, Ozempic vulva. Ozempic penis, baby.

[A]

There's the ad.

[B]

There's the ad for guys to get.

[A]

On collab with extends.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I like the way you're going with this. You just sold about 55 of people watching, watching this right now. A bunch of skinny dudes, like, bigger.

[B]

Right. And by the way, if you ever gonna, you know, do a, you know, you clips, various segments to say that's a big penis.

[A]

No, no, that's how much the episode.

[B]

Actually, that's right. The whole title is Epic Penis.

[A]

What.

We'Re gonna aiu.

[B]

Yeah. All of a sudden your junk is just much more.

[A]

That's the whole title of the episode. Your junk is huge.

[B]

Oh.

That should be the ad from Nova, Nordisk or Eli Lilly. Guys, your next tick tock. It should be a billboard video. A big penis.

[A]

A billboard video would be great. Yeah, but then, AI man, there's gonna be a hacker to hack in and change it. I really know. Okay, okay, real quick, plastic surgery rewind.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You just finished one season.

[B]

Yeah, I did.

[A]

Okay, so this is. I watched the trailer. I. My wife watches reality show.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know who most of these people are. Like, that's from that show. They're from that show, right? Oh, okay. So they're like celebrities. They go, hey, someone my face up. Can you fix this?

[B]

No, it wasn't Up. So it's not botched for celebrities.

[A]

Okay, so that's kind of from the, from the.

[B]

It looks like it. Because it says botch presents.

[A]

Well, not that. The, the, the chick, the black, like rapper chick, I think.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Chains. Yes. She's like, somebody gave me gels and this. You're like, well, so that's like, oh, he's trying to fix messed up celebrity. Because that's like Celebrity botch, essentially.

[B]

It is, but it's not. So the concept of that show, and I'm not sure we're doing that again or we're going to do more botch. We do one.

[A]

Yeah, there's another season in the works.

[B]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. But. So.

It'S a show about plastic surgery regret.

[A]

Oh, they're just going there to tell you how bad it got.

[B]

So what happens is, you know, let's say you're 24 and you had, you made this huge BBL, this huge butt, and now all of a sudden you're 38 and you go, maybe at 24 that was cool. But it's like, like this leather jacket. At my age probably shouldn't be wearing a leather jack because I'm not cool enough anymore. But at 28, you can wear a leather jacket. Right. So I'm still wearing a leather jacket. Maybe I should, maybe I have leather jack. I should have leather jacket regret. Well, at 38, 48, 58. Do you, you really want to walk around with the look you had at 28 when you're no longer that person?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, you've changed. And so maybe you don't want those giant breast implants. Maybe you don't want to want that puffy filler face. You know, you, you, you're going to PTA meetings with these huge implants now, you know, the 48 year old mom. And so they come on the show of Botch Rewind. Botch presents Plaster Rewind to say, maybe I want to take away the plastic surgery. It didn't go wrong. It's just maybe what was great for me 20 to 25 is not great for me at this stage of my life anymore. So can you take it away? So what we do is we have a therapist come in, we talk to you about why you're doing this. Is it a good idea? What's going to happen to you if your 10 million Instagram followers who are following you because you, you, you model all these stuff with these huge breasts, all of a sudden you have like C cups. What's going to happen to your life if Your Instagram followers go, yeah, I'm bored with you now. You have C cups. I don't care.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's the show, is it? Are we going to rewind your plastic surgery?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Because I remember one girl talking about, I want to take this out. I want to be known for other things besides this.

[B]

Known for other things. That's the show. So there's a component. Plastic surgery, regret. So we did it. It's. You know, it's a tricky show because fixing complications from plastic surgery is hard but very, very difficult. But taking away someone's plastic surgery psychologically may be very problematic.

[A]

Think about it that way.

[B]

That's the point of that show. So I don't know whether we're going to do another season of that or an expanded version of Botch, but either way, you know, I'm luckiest. I mean, I live. How did I become, you know, a TV person?

[A]

I mean, you also do have a very. You started off having fun just. Just by the base of, like, number one, just being proud of somebody in your family. Biggest in the world. I'm gonna go to school. And then now you're on T. So I'm all over the place. Your wife, Heather.

[B]

Yes. Right.

[A]

On Real Housewives, Orange County.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I did some more research. Oh, that's Marcy's niece in. In an episode of Mary With Children, one of my favorite shows of all time. Right.

[B]

She was the hot chick. Remember that episode? I don't know if you saw it. Well, you saw every.

[A]

No, I watched every episode live. I watched.

[B]

No, you won't. Come on, then.

[A]

I'm 36.

[B]

What year was that?

[A]

That was 1996. Okay, 95.

[B]

So how old were you?

[A]

I was, like, five. I grew up on Seinfeld, like the cable guy. My mom and dad were doing drugs. I was like, just watch tv. I'm like. So I'm, like, married with children at five. Of course.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Al Bundy was the coolest, and he always had to give his money to everybody. I never got it. And Bud Bundy. I smoked to join with Dave Faustino not too long ago, and it made my whole life.

[B]

My wife's friends with Christine Applegate now.

[A]

Incredible. She's awesome.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bud Bundy, Grandmaster B. Yeah, I saw them. Like, there's no way. How random. So you obviously didn't meet back then, or did you?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

When did you meet?

[B]

So she was 27, and I was 37, and I was only three years out from my training as a plastic surgeon, and she was an Actress on tv. She was on a TV show when I met her, and we got set up on a blind date. Yeah.

So I did. Gen. In my day, you had to do seven years of general surgery training before you could get into a plastic surgery program.

[A]

You're 34. And I just got done three years ago.

[B]

I know. So, no, I was 30. Yeah.

[A]

That's a commitment yet.

[B]

No, a life commitment. I know. So I did seven years of general surgery training with another guy. We're chief residents together. He went on to do liver transplant surgery. I stayed at UCLA and did plastic surgery. And then he got divorced. And he calls me out of the blue one day. He goes, hey, are you still single? I go, yeah, I just broke up with my girlfriend. And he goes. He goes, my girlfriend? I go, oh, you got divorced? He goes, yeah. He goes, my girlfriend has a best friend and I want to set you guys up. And I go, oh, what does she do? He goes, she's an actress. I go, great. Where does she wait tables?

[A]

Because I figured, oh, yeah.

[B]

She goes, no, no, she's on a TV show. She was on a TV show at the time on the wb. It was called Life with Roger.

[A]

With the Frog.

[B]

Yes. Oh, you remember that. Okay. Wow, you really know tv.

[A]

A long time ago.

[B]

They don't have WB anymore, do they? No, it's gone. Like cw. Cw they still have, right?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Maybe not. But anyway, we had a blind date with them and her, and I met her and went, whoa. And she walked in and that was it. It was just over for me. She didn't really like me at first. She thought I was. She thought I was talking down to her, but I wasn't. I don't talk. And do I talk down to people?

[A]

No, no, not that I've seen.

[B]

So no. And I didn't then either. I said to her, I said. She goes, why'd you become plaster? I go, well, I was going to be a cardiovascular surgeon. I go, that's, you know, surgery of the heart. And she's explaining. I was explaining. She looked at me like, oh, he thinks I'm an idiot. So she thought I was talking. Anyway, so that was it, that she became my girlfriend and we got married, and she went on to have a pretty significant sitcom career. And then I impregnated her. She had four kids.

[A]

That's the way you put that.

[B]

I know. And I moved her down to Newport beach and took her out of Hollywood. And then she somehow got back in it. Well, I, you know, I sent out a Thing to the Housewives producers. And I said, you know, maybe there's a show about opening a restaurant with these girls in my community. And he goes, well. And they flew up in their helicopter and they said, yeah, that would be cool, but I'd like your wife to come on Real Housewives, Orange county goes, she'll never do that, not in a million years. So I went home and I said, would you be on Real. She goes, never. That's the end of my career. And I thought, God, this is such a great idea. It's a hit show. She should just go on. It'd be so fun. And I signed the contract with her for. I forced her on and the rest.

[A]

I just made her do it.

[B]

I impregnated her. I basically made. Made her do a Real Housewives.

[A]

I'm sure she likes it now.

[B]

Yo, shoot. Yeah, you know, it's been an amazing platform. We've been on it. She's been on it for what, 10 seasons?

[A]

Has it been that long, that show? And there's like 12 spin offs now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, there's more. So many. There's a Real Housewives of Porter Ranch. Porter Ranch is four miles wide. Yeah, There's a whole show about it.

[B]

Real Housewives of Rhode island, you know, which is like the teeniest little stat.

[A]

Or the gym done. That's all there is to do in Rhode Island.

[B]

That's right. Right. So, yeah, she's been on forever, but it's been a great platform. And it, you know, it allowed me to spin. I got a spin off called Botched from It.

[A]

You know, that's how it came off.

[B]

So we met the producers. The other guy, you know, Paul Nassif, he was on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I was on Orange County. He got kicked off the show because his wife and he didn't like, they got divorced. They didn't want to be on the show anymore. And all of a sudden, he calls me, he goes, hey, let's do a show about revisional plastic surgery. And I go, I was on Orange County. I go. I go, that's going to be really hard, man. I go, that's going to fail a lot. Because revisional plastic surgery fails a lot. The tissue's very damaged. I go. And he goes, come on. So we pitched it to the Housewife producers. They go, we love it. We pitched it to E. They went straight to series. Hit right away.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

But, you know, you probably don't know this. My first show was this.

[A]

I watched it every week with my grandma Dolores.

[B]

You want this.

[A]

It'd be like three months of. Four months of work. And they'd come out at the end. Their family would come out, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. This is the show. They would do the dentist, they would do the trainer, the therapist. I remember every.

[B]

You really know.

[A]

I watched it every week with my grand Dolores. We would watch that.

[B]

Yes. They haven't seen themselves sore.

[A]

They.

[B]

Three months.

[A]

I don't remember that. They had no mirrors.

[B]

No mirrors.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know.

[B]

Spoons. The whole point of that show was they were going to do an internal external transformation. So we'd operate on them. We put them all in an apartment building in Marina del Rey. And all the mirrors were covered up. The spoons were. Remember when. When the trainer would walk them to the gym, he'd make sure they didn't look in the rearview mirrors or the side view mirrors of cars in the parking lot.

[A]

That's a big reveal to yourself.

[B]

Reveal. They would go, whoa. At three months.

[A]

I remember the dentist. Like, that was a big thing.

[B]

That was a big deal change.

[A]

And then you guys would do all the surgeries. All right? You'd come here with your. You need this. Maybe a little this after you lose weight. Maybe we'll do this. And I just remember, was there two.

[B]

Doctors on me and another guy, my co. Chief resident, ucla.

[A]

Okay. So I knew there was another doctor first.

[B]

And they go, who do you want to do with? I go, let's do it with Dr. Randall Hayworth. And he goes, why? Because I trained with him. I know he'll be safe. So we did it together. It was a very controversial show. Very, very.

[A]

Well, I get why. But at the same time, the person it's happening to is they liked it. Come on, dude. It changed your whole life.

[B]

You couldn't make that show today, though.

[A]

No. Too many people would be like, this is shaming.

[B]

Too Negative.

[A]

Shame. Yes. 100.

[B]

So we make botched.

[A]

Okay? So for everyone out there, botch is basically, now I come to you. I got these implants in another country and there's only one. Can you fix me basically, or.

[B]

I've had 14 operations and my tissue is destroyed and my breasts are like crab claws scarred. My face is. You know, this one woman, probably the biggest. My biggest improvement, my biggest achievement on the 10 seasons or 10 years of botched has been in the third season. This woman came in and she went to one of these illegal plumping parties. You ever heard of this?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So she goes to this woman, this in Miami, this hotel, and the madam was there with her. Her Illegal substances that she actually got from a plumbing supply store. Caulking material.

[A]

She was filming with. Caulking.

[B]

She was stuff you do baseboards with. Exactly. Which is like a concrete, basically, right?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And so she injects it in these women and right away it looks kind of good, right? But the immune system says, what?

[A]

Get out?

[B]

Yes, exactly. What the hell is this? And it starts walling it off and forming fibrous tissue around it. And ultimately she had these huge Elephant man sized masses all over and everybody turned her down. And so she comes on botch. And initially we said, that's just too dangerous. I'm sorry, we're going to kill the skin or damage the nerves. And I thought about it for about eight months and I woke up at 4 o' clock in the morning and I went, I get it, I know how to fix that. So I thought, don't take it all out. Just take the central seven, eight out. So I opened her up, I took my buddy's orthopedic tools. My best friend's an orthopedic surgeon. I went, I sawed out the concrete. And she looks great. That was my biggest.

[A]

I saw concrete out of this woman's face.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

That was my biggest achievement. Unboxed.

[A]

Okay. You're obviously okay with blood. You're obviously. Don't get squeamish. You don't. None of that bothers you.

[B]

Never did.

[A]

Never did. Even as a kid.

[B]

Even as a kid.

[A]

Oh, okay. So I would say to be a mortician, a surgeon, a heart, you have to be like, I'm fine with this. This is my work.

[B]

You'd be surprised even if someone, you think about it, you, you go to the grocery store and you get a steak. It's just open, it's raw, it's disgusting. Right? But you, you're so used to seeing it, right? By the way, I don't like fish. You show me a fish's head, I can't eat the fish. If you bring the eyes over, the meal's ruined for me. Me and, you know, but anyway, once you get used to it in the context of saving lives and helping people, inside the human body is really prettier than the outside of the human body. The, the organs, the blood vessels, the nerves, they're really quite beautifully distributed anatomically. It's really high art inside. If you get past the gore of it. Gore of it. It's really. Wow. Whoever made whatever.

[A]

Oh, the circulatory system looks like this.

[B]

Yeah, Perfect. You should see when you open up an abdomen, you move the intestines away and you see the vena cava going back to the heart and the aorta coming from the heart and the way they're right next to each other and the blood vessels, tributaries coming off them. It's like. This is brilliant. It's like Elon Musk type stuff.

[A]

It's like a city planner in here, right? I can't do it. Oh, my God. I just. Even thinking of like touching an open.

[B]

Wound, you could, you could. After a while.

[A]

After a while, if I knew I need to save you, I need to help you, then I could get past like that. It's like cleaning up nasty as, like after your dog. Like, you look at like, you, dude. Oh, lucky I like you.

[B]

In general surgery, when I was a chief resident, general surgeon, we'd have a trauma. We'd be eating and our beepers go off. Trauma alert, trauma alert. We'd go, let's take our food. We'd walk down to the er, there'd be someone who like had big stab wound or brain injury, and we'd be eating. We go, we go. Okay, all right, ER docs, you've done enough. We put the food down, put the gloves on and go. But we could, we could f. No. Well, we could fully eat before we scrubbed in. Cuz, you know, you got to get your food in.

[A]

Because it's like you were a ER doctor before you got.

[B]

No, no, I was a general surgeon. You had to be. In my day. You had to go for seven years.

[A]

General everything.

[B]

Everything. Gunshot wounds, burns, cancer, reconstruction, all of it. Yeah, I've operated all of it. It's hair on fire. Cool stuff, man.

[A]

Oh, you like this stuff? Okay.

[B]

My brother and I always used to say there's only three things in life worth being. You know, we're being idiots. But a fighter pilot, a rock star, or a surgeon? Well, he became a rock star. I became a surgeon. Neither.

[A]

I say, come on, man.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't want to fly. So that's. That's what we did.

[A]

Like the pain. Manning brothers. Like, what do you guys do, man? We're just champs.

[B]

Oh, I just crush it. Wow.

[A]

So wait.

TV came so much later in life for you.

[B]

It was sort of like a simulation. Was like, like, you know, because let's face. This face is for radio, it's not for tv. So, you know, all of a sudden we got. So, long story short, we got these faxes that this new show sent out to these board certified plastic surgeons. New reality show. If you're interested in being the surgeon. Fax us back. Fax machines. Do you even know what a fax machine is? Of course they have fax machines still. Not really.

[A]

My grandma uses the out of it, too.

[B]

Okay. But not really, right? It's kind of won't be.

[A]

Yeah, it's like an eight track at this point.

[B]

It's like a home phone, you know, a landline. Like, what is that? Right? So it was a fax. So my office manager said, what do you want to do about this? I go, I don't know. Fax back, yeah, we're interested. And they sent down a casting person met with me, and I go, yeah, I like plastic surgery. They go, okay, how many people you look at? We're looking at 200 plastic surgeons for the show the swan, okay? And I go, okay. And I didn't hear from him for six months. And they go, hey, you got a call back. And I go, what's a callback? They go, it's like a thing. So the casting director came down again. And you go, you're in the top 10. So all of a sudden, the creator comes down, Nellie Galan of the Swan. And she goes, why should we pick you to do our reality show? I go, I don't think you should. She goes, why? I go, because I don't look like a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon. I'm not really TV ready like that. I go, but I love plastic surgery, and it's the coolest thing. Blah. She goes, you. I'm picking you. Boom. And they picked me to do it. And I remember I'm laying there in bed with my wife watching television, and we're watching American Idol. And back then, American idol would have 40 million viewers.

[A]

Oh, it was. It was. When Simon Cowell got into America, everybody was glued to. Glued.

[B]

And so we're watching a commercial, and all of a sudden it goes. We're watching American Idol. That goes to a commercial. It goes, coming this fall. And it shows all these surgical scenes, and it ends on me in a chair going, it's a scalpel, not a magic wand.

[A]

Did you even know?

[B]

I went, no. I went, whoa.

It was like the most rad, One of the most rad moments of my life.

[A]

Especially if you don't know it's coming.

[B]

None at all. Oh, come on. And boom. I became the surgeon on the Swan.

[A]

How random.

[B]

Random.

[A]

And now that. I mean, you can't ever go back to being just a doctor. You're the doctor on.

I told my wife. I'm like, oh, I'm Having on tomorrow. And she. Her mom's a huge fan. So just here's questions. Here's this question. Ask this question from this episode.

[B]

Oh, you really watch this show? Yeah.

[A]

You know, also there's another one which is insane. Botched by nature, where just people have bad card. A bad hand or.

[B]

Or born with a defect. So very brief. So when Paul called me, goes, let's do this show about revisional surgery. I go, now it's too hard and we'll fail and everybody won't look. I go, let's do a show we fix traumatic deformities or congenital deformities, and let's call it let's. And he goes, okay. So we pitch both to the producers of the Housewives. Alex Baskin, this gifted reality producer who does all the Housewives. Vanderpump rules everything.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

He's like the.

[A]

The Thomas L. Miller.

[B]

He's the reality shows. Yeah, he's the guy. He's like the Mark Burnett reality. Although Mark Burnett is the Mark. But every alley shows. But anyway, so. So you know who Mark Burdett is? Survivor.

[A]

Oh, that's one show I've never watched.

[B]

Oh, I've never watched an episode of that. What was the Apprentice? Oh, yeah, he was the hugest reality producer. Now it's Alex Baskin. But anyway, we pitch. He goes, I like that. That show about the traumatic thing, but let's do one about fixing disasters. So we ended up one season doing botched and botched by nature. We did both shows at the same time, but we were just like, you know, doing nothing but botched.

[A]

That's constant surgery.

[B]

It was constant surgery. We didn't mind that. We do constant surgery all the time, but we were out of town going to see people for botched, but we would go to their houses and meet them. It was fun, but it was not viable. So then we later seasons, we combine them both. So botched had both. Botched by plastic surgery and botched by nature in them. By the way, quick story. Botched was originally called Can I cuss on this?

[A]

Whatever you want.

[B]

Called Nip for like, Nip Tuck.

[A]

Love that damn show.

[B]

God, you really know.

[A]

I loved it.

[B]

I watched when that came on.

[A]

I was 14.

[B]

14, okay.

[A]

I remember came out when I was in the 10th grade and Christian Troy, the first guy, came out and pulled that cool young blonde girl. Like he's begging her. What is this show? I was like, oh, FX, you're allowed to do whatever you want on FX. Oh, yeah, Nip Tuck.

[B]

So we called the show Nip. Nip F. *cked. And we thought, this is the most hilarious title. Everybody's gonna watch it just for the title. And then a week before the show came out, they go. The advertisers go, nah, we don't want. Yeah, we don't want the. Well, there was a show called My dad says.

[A]

That's incredible. What show is this?

[B]

It was show William Shatner. There was a Twitter. When Twitter was in its first year, this guy had a Twitter handle called Shit, My dad says, and was very funny stuff that his old dad had said. It was a big Twitter handle. So they decided to put it on CBS as a show. And they went, sh. Asterisk T. So we thought Nip Fucked you could do the same thing.

[A]

Oh, I thought you meant, like, they stole your.

[B]

No, no, we thought we could do that. The advertisers let us do that. They go, no. And then so the network's called. So we changed the name. We go, what's the name? They go, botch. We go, no, no, no, no, no. I go, why, though? Because all the plastic surgeons who we're fixing are think we're gonna rag on them and they're gonna hate us. Who did your work? It implies that you were messed up. Because 98% of plastic surgery that goes bad is not because the doctor did anything wrong. No, they got an infection. You ever seen the consent form for a plastic surgery procedure? Oh, infection, bleeding, scarring, death. All this stuff that happens.

[A]

You're kind of in your control of that doctor. Can't really do anything.

[B]

You know, if you. We put you under anesthesia and you have a heart attack and die. You know, we checked you out. Sorry. These surgery is serious, man. You know, you get an infection. I do your breast surgery, and it gets infected. Even though everything was sterile and done perfectly, it still can get infected, and it ends up a disaster. You may sue me, you may be mad, but it's not your fault. Not my fault. And you signed a consent form. So it sounds like botched means the doctor did something wrong. Negligence, malpractice. So they go, we're gonna. We're sticking with botched. And we went, oh. And then it turned out to be. Now it's like, that's a great name. Now it makes it. Now it's in the culture. It's part of the lexicon of culture. This was botched. That's botched. So it worked.

[A]

I like. Nip is totally cool, right? I like it a lot. What an insane show. RIP Christian Troy. Just passed away. What a crazy thing, man. That actor just died, like, three weeks ago, right?

[B]

He did. He was like. He was. He did Fantastic Four.

[A]

So crazy, man.

[B]

He did a lot of good stuff.

[A]

A lot of good stuff. But, yeah, great show. What an era of tv.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You can put anything you wanted on it.

[B]

I realize you're such a TV guy.

[A]

Oh, everything you can of. Think, think of. I grew up on Seinfeld, so I was like four or five.

[B]

That's very cool.

[A]

I watch it every night. It's pretty sad. I have a projector. I just fall asleep.

[B]

So you love curvy enthusiasm, I assume. Love it. Yeah.

[A]

It's incredible.

[B]

I never really. So when you're in your mind, you go to med school, then general surgery, then plastic surgery. TV I didn't watch. Yeah, any TV.

[A]

You missed all the 90s sitcoms.

[B]

I've never seen an episode of Seinfeld ever. It was exactly when I was a General surgery. Residential.

[A]

1989 is when it dropped. I remember.

[B]

I never.

[A]

Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah. Never saw any.

[A]

You would. Your life is gonna. The simulation's getting better as soon as you watch some science.

[B]

I saw it before. I saw TV before. And I'm, of course, very, very familiar with. On what's. What, streaming? Wow.

[A]

No, it's. You know what? It came out in 1989, and it still holds up to 2025. Every single thing. Except a lot of stuff would get fixed in their episodes with cell phones right now. It's like, hey, call them on your cell phone. Episode's over.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Like, yeah, that would have. That would have solved it.

[B]

I see a lot of it because it comes across my feed, right? I mean, that. That Kramer. Hilarious.

[A]

Michael Richards is too funny, man. Such a good show.

[B]

Too bad he got canceled, huh?

[A]

Yeah, too bad he went, you know what? Let me let out this inner anger. You know where? In privacy. Your home? No, no, no. On stage. I just did the Laugh Factory. And as I'm on the lap very much.

[B]

You do stand up?

[A]

Yeah, I do. I do stand up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm standing there going, whoa, this is where Kramer ruined his life, huh? Oh, yeah. Those guys were yelling right there. Okay. And then I yelled at the gang banger up there. Anyway, when I went there, the first.

[B]

Thing, I was like, kramer, isn't that amazing?

[A]

Yeah, pop culture. That's pretty. Did you ever watch King of the Hill? You ever heard of it?

[B]

Yes. That was also. I didn't get in that time.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

It's like 1995 Family Guy. I didn't see that. That's the Seth McFarland style.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you ever seen that one? You know, the sheep, he's getting shorn and he goes, shoot me. Shorten. Oh. Anyways, it's, you know, I, I obviously wasn't exposed to. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen. I guess it was just filled with that kind of funny.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, we, we're living in a time where you could say the worst things ever. The worst race. As long as it's a child cartoon saying it, it's a hit.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

South Park Family Guy.

[B]

You could still do that right now. Isn't that weird?

[A]

Does not matter. As long as it's a cartoon, you're interesting. I think, like, think of the worst show ever. Put it South Park. Put it as real children. Like canceled. No.

[B]

Right?

[A]

No. You can't have that child saying that. But if it's a cartoon, I'm all for it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Simpsons. You can't choke your child. Bart Simpson. Homer. But you can if it's a cartoon.

[B]

I remember, I saw this thing. It, There was this, it was Rick and Morty, which I don't, I've never really watched.

[A]

He loves it. I've only watched two episodes.

[B]

So there was spaceships flying around Earth and they, they shoot laser beams at the twin towers in the, in Manhattan. And I'm going like this. And they go down. And then one alien says another, too soon. Meaning it's too close to. I got. How can you do this? How can the advertisers let you do this? And the world a lot less.

[A]

Word I'm looking for sensitive. No, I, I, the world's a lot. It's sensitive, but the core of people are a lot more insensitive. When someone dies, there's a meme, oh, four seconds after it. Like, people are very vulgar and horrible now because they can go. It's account account I made on my other phone. No one ever going to know it's me. The day they change that, people get nice again.

[B]

It's allowed hate to, to expand like a wildfire.

[A]

But, but also they put it out real quick if it's out in the open, because you can cancel in two seconds or just stay under the radar and say the worst things ever on an account to multiple people. It's just.

[B]

See, you must have that in your life. You must have people who listen to your podcast. See, you do tele. Whatever the stuff you're Doing and rag on you.

[A]

I have a lot of.

[B]

You get good stuff. And the negative I have.

[A]

I probably have the nicest fan base in the world.

[B]

Oh, you do?

[A]

Yeah, I do. Mean greasers. Thousands of people.

[B]

Well, in person.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Everybody's nice.

[A]

Online. Online.

I did everything for free. I wasn't making a dollar. I was just doing it. Had a job. My clothing company just tried to make it work for nine years. Nobody was really mean to me.

[B]

Really.

[A]

And then like five years ago, when some of my company started working, it's like everybody was like, I've hated you this whole time.

[B]

There you go, man.

[A]

Like dick. I feel like pay my rent now. I suck.

[B]

Damn it. Isn't that weird? Jealousy.

[A]

So annoying. People that I. I like. I talk to you like I'm not different. I'm saying the same.

[B]

Oh, you ever heard this thing called Bravocon?

[A]

My aunt just went. Okay, it was last weekend.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, my aunt just. I just went to Bravo Con. It was amazing. She just went, yeah.

[B]

Okay. So my wife's a housewife, so she got invited. Bravo. So I go as a house husband to Bravo Con.

[A]

Oh, how? Like, yeah, I'll. I'll join and tag along.

[B]

Yeah, it's fun. And so it's nothing but fans of Bravo and housewives. So you go there and it's like, you know, 10,000 people who love you.

[A]

It's so fun.

[B]

You get out of your suv. Suv. You think I was Bon Jovi or I don't know who you would say.

[A]

Jon Bon Jovi. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You think? Yeah, you know, Or John, Paul, George, Ringo. You probably don't know who that is, dude. Okay, I know every.

[A]

I know everything, almost. Except that one Ricky.

[B]

What's his name?

[A]

The 80s pop star are your friend. I don't know that name.

[B]

Richard Marks, he's. So do you know him?

[C]

No, I don't.

[A]

No.

[C]

He knows way more than I do. There's. If he doesn't know it, there's no way.

[B]

No, I usually do. I really don't.

[A]

Like. I know. So unless I'm shocked. I don't know who that is. But yeah, when it comes to pop culture, basically, I am am AI.

[B]

So he was the Justin Timberlake.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Of the pop stars, for sure.

[A]

Except pretty.

[B]

Except many, many more hits than Justin Timberlake.

[A]

Yeah. He only had like five.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you really think about it. And sync had more.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Richard Marks wrote a lot of.

[A]

Them, but I'd be so. That's like, AI, like, hey, can you write my song? Yeah. And Then we're gonna number one out of you.

[B]

Oh. The reason I was telling you about him is because we got so sidetracked, is I sent.

[A]

Oh, that's right. You said you were.

[B]

I sent him this thing. I go, what do you think about AI music? And he goes. He goes, I love it and I hate him. He goes. I go, why? He goes, because he. He sent me this. This partially constructed song because all those big pop stars who have this big.

[A]

Album, they don't write it.

[B]

No, they write them all, but they have a whole bunch of, like, Prince, when he died, had like 2, 000.

[A]

Songs that weren't released.

[B]

Exactly. So they all have that. All the big writers. Okay, so he gave one to Sora. Yeah, that Sora 2.

[A]

And it finished.

[B]

It. And he said, you know, expand this finish. And. Well, and he. And he sent to me. He sent me his original that he put on, like, you know, a cassette or something. And he's. He sent me the finished one that I think took Sora to, you know, three minutes to do. And it was a giant, obvious number one hit. I know, I know, because there's a.

[A]

There's a. Imagine a Rick Rubin going, you know, I'm tired. Oh, hey, I'll send you it.

[B]

Give me 30. I know, I know. What do you think of this? I know.

[A]

He's like, I'm tired, dude. I want to do this today. My credibility is allowing me to do this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That scares me. That's all.

[B]

It's. It's just. It is what it is, man.

[A]

Because what about. Have you seen the Sora fake baby comedians? There'll be a little infant.

[B]

Oh, they're home.

[A]

They're so funny.

[B]

They're.

[A]

Damn it. They're so funny. Dude, I can't write that. That was so good. How'd you even think of it? Oh, yeah.

[B]

AI, I know. How long is it going to be till you take our current stars like George Clooney. Yeah.

[A]

License his face.

[B]

Yeah. And you do a movie with him, and it's like, you know, you can't tell it's not him. My son just last night goes, here, let's take this test. And so he showed me video that was real and video that was AI generated and see if we can. How many of these 10 we can identify which is AI. We couldn't do any of them.

[A]

Damn it.

[B]

It all looked real. And I went, that one. That one's real. That one's AI. It's like, okay.

[A]

Last year, you could tell, like, you.

[B]

Can'T a Little swirly, swirly, glitchy, glitchy.

[A]

Yeah, it's like, oh, no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Made my car clean.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, AI is just. It's too good. Yeah, it is too good. It's like, it's like being a small ass dude and Michael Jordan's like, I'm in my prime. Do you want to play against like. No, I don't.

[B]

Right, Just. But the good news for you is the con as a content provider and it. Someone who sells weed and other things, AI is never going to replace that.

[A]

No, no, I'm fine. I just. For the rest of the world, it's. Damn it. I'm sorry.

[B]

It's. Yeah, it's tough.

[A]

It is.

[B]

But here we are.

[A]

Yes. Okay. I have a question for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You said you have to do evaluation. Talk about the internal. Besides just doing plastic surgery.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

So people come up to you and you go, hey, not doing surgery on you. Something's. There's a mental thing or. I saw a thing where if someone's chasing fame, I will not do surgery on them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So what does that mean? Like, make me look like Brad Pitt.

[B]

So the first thing that happens when they come in, I go, I try to figure out the good news about being successful at this stage of my life is I don't have to do surgery for money anymore. I don't care. I really don't. When you're a young, young plastic surgeon, you have this beautiful Beverly Hills office and expensive overhead and you just want to operate on these people because you need to pay for your overhead. I don't need any of that anymore. It doesn't matter at all what my surgical schedule is. So when I come in, I want to make sure they're happy and they're not going to be unhappy with me and, you know, a problem. So I look at them, I go, I say, so why you doing your breasts now In a really nice way? Not a judgy way. I go, I go, okay, but you're 43 and you've had this situation anatomically for a long time. Why are you doing it? Right. I try to figure out, are they doing. Because they think it's going to save their lives, which never doesn't work. Are they doing it because they're an abusive relationship? That's not going to work. Are they doing it because they've had. Oh, the reasons for plastic surgery. There are many reasons to do a.

[A]

Place someone comes in, like, my husband wants me to do it.

[B]

Oh, if they. By the way, that's the biggest. We look for the red flags, okay? That's the biggest red flag at all. The husband, who's a little bit aggressive and who's leading the conversation, brings his wife in and goes, we want her breasts done. You go, okay. You know, he's an abusive dude, or he's not necessarily abusive, but they're trying to fix their relationship problems with plastic surgery. That is never going to work at all. In fact, if you make her more attractive, she may be less tolerant of your B.S. dude, this may leave you a giant mistake, Okay? I had a friend who came in with his wife, very successful guy, about 10 years ago to have her breasts done. And I said, so, just so you know, a lot of couples at this stage of life do this. They're sort of about to divorce. They're kind of hanging on, trying to fix their. And they go, no, no, that's not us. Did her breasts cheat it on him?

[A]

Oh, immediately.

[B]

Immediately. And so they brought. It was like a disaster. And I went, okay, so what? To answer your question, I sort of try to figure out the why of it all. And if the why is not cool.

It'S not that I don't, do I. There's a way to not be as someone's plastic surgeon. Like, for me, I go, you know, this is really dangerous.

[A]

Oh, you should give them all the outs. Like, yo, it's raining outside.

[B]

You really want to walk home, you should leave. Exactly right.

[A]

Try to convince them that they don't want it. Yeah.

[B]

And sometimes, of course, that works in the opposite way direction. They want it even more if you're sort of turning them down. But, you know, I've. Hey, I've had. I have this UFC fighter come in. He. Long time ago. It was even before Tito Ortiz.

[A]

Okay, the manicature days.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Back then, he never got it big like that, but he was around that time. And he comes in and he wants me to do his nose or something. And I said. I said, so if this goes badly, I'm gonna kick my ass or anything.

[A]

Are you. That's a good question.

[B]

And he go, you know, he looks at me and we're like. Like, you know, Steel, Yeah. He goes, it better not go badly, dude. And I went, okay. You know, And I said, you know, I don't care how much I want to operate in you. It's a cool case, and I need to pay my overhead. I thought, so now it became about, how do I get out of this?

[A]

That's like a. That's like, analyze this. The movie. Like, yeah, it is like that. Yeah. It's like, well, you're gonna do it.

[B]

Like, oh, that's a De Niro. And Billy Crystal. Billy Crystal, Yeah. You really know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's exactly like that. I had a worse situation where a person whose father was in the mob.

[A]

That's another. That's why I brought that up. Like, oh, yeah.

[B]

And she wanted me to do her. And I said. Said I thought to myself, okay, but he's. You know, the father was kind of in prison or whatever. And I went, okay. And I. So I agreed to do her. And then the night before, I Google her, and her last plastic surgeon disappeared.

Yeah. And I went. Because he had a complication. I was fixing the complication.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah. And I went. And I told my wife, she goes, hello, you're not doing this. So then I had to, like, tell her I was too freaked to do it, and it was an issue. And then I did. Of course I didn't do it, but. Yeah, you always.

[A]

That's a. That's a thing with doctors and lawyers that you have to remember. Like, sometimes you have to deal with a terrible people, and they will make you do it.

[B]

Not in plastics, not in surgery. You know, there's no making me do.

[A]

I'm saying the way they're the last surgeon, they're probably something I obviously happened. Like, you botched me.

[B]

I know where it gets really tricky is if a patient has bdd, body dysmorphia.

[A]

That's something you can't fix.

[B]

Right. So they went to a bunch of plastic surgeons who knew they had bdd, but they wanted the money, so they did it anyway. And it went badly or it went okay, but they were unhappy because they have body dysmorphia. So they went to another one. Well, I still want more. Take it off. I want more. Take it off. I want more. Take it off. So by the time they get to the seventh plastic surgeon, they've destroyed the tissue. Sort of a Michael Jackson kind of vibe, Right?

[A]

Why his nose kept getting smaller and smaller.

[B]

So they destroy the tissue. Then now it's. Now it's not just what. Not. It's not just what they don't like. It's a disaster. It's a deformity. So now they come to me with a massive deformity where they can't even walk around without people saying. Staring at them. But they have bdd. So what do you got?

[A]

I'm gonna liberating story.

[B]

Well, what do you. But you can't, like, you Say, well, you have BDD and you want me to fix this incredibly difficult thing, and you're never going to be happy anyway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you have to. That's where it gets really tricky. I do take those patients on. As long as, say, you have body dysmorphia. You're going to this psychiatrist, you're going to talk to them. Psychiatrist and I are going to talk and you're going to realize that if I make you normal, that's going to be good enough. Normal is the goal. Not phenomenal. Not this unrealistic view of what you want to look like. Normal. I promise, if you make me normal, I won't be unhappy. Okay? You operate on them, you go normal. They go, well, can't you. No, no, I can't take more. Do more, you know? And then they still have gone down another path.

[A]

I was imagining the scene from Batman when Jack Nicholson sees.

[B]

Where did they get a loan of me?

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I can't believe you know that. Yes. I can't believe you know that.

[A]

Yeah, It's a good movie. It's a great movie.

[B]

So it's funny because I. A patient FaceTimed me the other day, and I did a face lift on them, and they were really swollen. And my son happens to walk by and see him. He went, whoa. I go, yeah, don't look at this. And then. And then we hung up. She looked great, but she was just swollen. She looked normal. And I go to my son, I go, where do they get a load of me? He goes, huh?

[A]

How old's your son?

[B]

He's 22.

[A]

Oh, that's different. That's a big difference of age.

[B]

Yeah, but 30. How old were you when that movie came out? The first bat?

[A]

I was born the year I was born.

[B]

Okay, so what?

[A]

I grew up on Batman, though.

[B]

Yeah, okay. Jack Nicholson waited to get a load of me. By the way, your audience, you have a very young audience. Obviously, none of them will know this reference.

[A]

Our audience is younger. And most of them go, I watched that movie because, like, Jacob's Ladder, we watched. I'm like, yeah, you should go. Go watch this movie. Movie, great. We had a guest on that recommended Jake Johnson from New Girl. He was on here, and he had a movie called Self Reliance that he based off of a comedic Jacob's Ladder. Wow, it was so good. So I had to go watch Jacob's Ladder with Tim Robbins and. Such a sad ending. What a good movie, though.

[B]

What a good movie. Yeah, it had that sort of surprising ending. It was.

[A]

I mean, it Got me.

[B]

Well, yeah, it got me too.

[A]

He was in Vietnam the whole time.

[B]

Oh, that's.

Right.

[A]

What terrible movie, man. I mean, in a good way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. But yes. So when people come up to you, they're going to ask, well, with body dysmorphia, you can't fix that. So that's why I wanted to say, will you work on them?

[B]

If.

[A]

If you come to an agreement, if.

[B]

It'S a deformity that so adversely affects their life, that is just not wearing a mask. Yeah. That's just not fair. They can't get a job, they can't meet someone, then you sort of got to take them on. But, you know, that's really risky. But I'll do it. If they go through an algorithm where, you know, they met a therapist, and we all agree this is high risk psychologically and physically. Because, by the way, here you're about to take on someone with body dysmorphia who has a very difficult problem to fix, who you could easily make worse.

That's what makes so complicated. Because the chances of them being worse is very high. When you do difficult revisional plastic surgery. Very high.

[A]

Well, you peel it back and go, all right, how am I going to fix this?

[B]

Well, if you think you peel it back, but there's no blood supply.

[A]

Oh, just dead.

[B]

The problem is the more you operate on area, the more disrupted the blood supply, the worse the scarring, the less this. The chance that they will heal normally. Oh, so tissue that has very poor scarred blood supply has a much greater chance to get infected, scar worse, or undergo this process called contraction. Contraction, where it goes.

You know what I mean?

[A]

And that part of the skin will just.

[B]

And the whole thing just goes. You may. It may look amazing on the table, but during the healing process, because it doesn't have enough blood supply to heal, it just goes and melts on you and you go, ooh. And then I'd be so upset. People will, yeah, no kidding.

[A]

And what if it looks great and.

[B]

What if you had bdd, Right. And so people. People will get obviously very upset with that and, oh, people will say, you shouldn't have taken that on. You should have known that was too high a risk. Did you warn them that it was that going to be that most people.

[A]

Don'T take those precautions, so they automatically assume you didn't.

[B]

Yeah, So I haven't signed special. I give them special consents. I say, you know, this could go the other way. And here's a consent form called a high risk consent form. Sinus. It doesn't get you out of jail. Jail for free. But if they ever sort of said, you didn't tell me you'd go, really, I didn't tell you? Do you see this plain English form that said it could be worse? Chances are pretty high. You can't say you didn't read this. It wasn't like a mortgage paper on page 278, you know what I mean? It was like, here it is.

[A]

So when they want it, they'll sign anything.

[B]

Honestly, that's the problem. They'll sign anything. So you got to stop that and go. This is not a sign anything. This is a, you know, you bungee jump and you know, our, our ropes are frayed.

[A]

Question. A 22 year old girl comes in and wants face work done. Do you ever look at people like, you don't need this.

[B]

You okay? All the time.

[A]

Okay. It's, it's like a trend to get, to get work right now I've seen people like 24 getting Botox.

[B]

Well, I will do that.

[A]

Getting.

[B]

Okay, I will do that. I'll tell you why. Because if, if they can show wrinkling with Botox, Botox is so benign and it has so little side effects and it's temporary.

[A]

So that's something like, well, a couple months. It's okay.

[B]

Yeah. And it's preventative from them getting deep lines.

[A]

A girl wanting to get a, like, I'm sure you look at somebody and go, you do not need that. It might make you worse.

[B]

Yes. How about, how about a 30 year old who wants a facelift but has, but when you do this to them, it doesn't look any different. I say to them, no, do not do that. And of course they'll go down the street and they'll get it. Where it's tricky is if someone wants to have like the new, latest trend like they want to have like. You ever heard of fox eyes? This fox eye surgery, it's already come and gone. Thankfully. Your eyes, you make, by the way. Think about this trend. What if I told you you're going to come in, a patient's going to come in with a really beautiful rear end and they're going to take this beautiful, normal, normally projecting, good looking rear end and make it gigantic. If I would have told you that before bbls became a thing, you would go, what? What?

[A]

But now, oh, it's, it's like having a Honda right now. Like a BBL. Of course I have a BBL. Like every girl under 30 damn near in LA is like yeah, I'm gonna get one soon.

[B]

So where do you draw the line to? You don't need that. And those girls with Those beautiful or 24 year old girl with a beautiful buttock. You, you look at them, you go, wow, it's sort of awesome. They go, yeah, I know, but all my friends have, you know, and that's the culture and that's what's on in the social media and on tv. I want that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't do it. Yeah, I don't do that. I don't do that operation. Because that operation is the most fatal in plastic surgery anyway. The BBL is why?

[A]

What, what? You're, you're tucking your waist in to make your hips bigger so you.

[B]

Well, it's the buttock part. So you take liposuction from one part of the abdomen or the one part of the body, you clean it up and you inject it into the buttock. Here's the problem. There's little short blood vessels in the buttock that are kind of wide but short. They lead directly to the main vein that leads back to your heart. And if you inject fat, remember, it's done blindly. So if you inject fat into one of those veins and it gets into the vena cava, the main vein going to your heart and it goes to your right heart to your lungs.

Dead. What happens all the time really. Most fatal procedure in plastic surgery, the bbl.

[A]

That's why I thought a vein in your butt will give you a heart attack.

[B]

A fat embolus, it's called it, basically. You've heard of a pulmonary embolus. People die of a blood clot in their lungs.

[A]

Same thing, but going, it's the fat.

[B]

It's fat. Instead of a clot, it's fat.

[A]

Oh my God, you're giving yourself a blood clot.

[B]

A fat clot, a fat glob, a fat mass in your arteries and your lungs, cuts off the circulation. Your lungs. You can't, you can't oxygenate. You die.

[A]

I would be so pissed off.

[B]

Well, by the way, by the way, Google, look online, how many celebrities, young, hot, famous celebrities have died this way?

[A]

Really?

[B]

Oh, yeah. It's happened two weeks ago again. Yeah.

[A]

Like actresses, right? Social media people.

[B]

Social media, not, not actresses. Social media people died like this. Yeah, it happens all the time at.

[C]

Like reputable places or when you go out of the country or it doesn't matter.

[B]

So it doesn't matter. So for a while it was so common in Florida that the Florida medical board said you can't do that operation anymore. So they stopped it. Now in Florida, where it was particularly dangerous, you have to use an ultrasonic ultrasound, See where everything is, it's still not perfect. And you have to stay above the muscle. So it's. It's better. It's less risky now, but it's still like, is it really worth it?

[A]

You do the surgery.

[B]

I don't do it anymore.

[A]

But you've done it before.

[B]

Oh, I used to do it all the time.

[A]

How would you find where that.

It's just a risk.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, it's. It's pretty rare. Okay. It's one. It was one in 3,000, but if you think very, very high.

[A]

It is. But it's still like.

[B]

Well, if you think about it, if. If it. Once it became a super popular procedure and a hundred thousand or 200,000 were being done in this country a year. So one in 3,000 doing 200,000 means 30 people are dying. Boom. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What a way to go out. Just because I wanted to look a little better and not work out, I died.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Well, not so much. I want to look better, not work out. It's more of a. Because everybody else is doing this now. I'm doing this very large buttock because it's in fashion.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you died just for a fashion statement.

[C]

What about the height surgery? Is that like a viable thing?

[B]

Oh, the Elizabeth. Oh. So to get taller. Okay. So that's a very interesting.

[A]

Friend was talking about it. He was just here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm getting it is.

[B]

Well, where's he going? Vegas.

[A]

Like, no, he's just like. I think I would get that one. He's like four. Four maybe.

[B]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[A]

He's a small dude.

[B]

Yeah, you can't blame him. So if that one. That one's tricky too, because it's not fatal necessarily, but it's called the Elizarov procedure. As it turns out, if you take your femur and you fracture it and you put a space between it, it'll grow in bone. The space.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that's what they were doing.

[B]

That's what they're doing.

[A]

Cuz I remember the old one where you. You twist those little knobs. I saw that on some show. They twist the knobs and extends it.

[B]

Extract distracts it, and you grow bone into it.

[A]

That's what they were doing.

[B]

That's what they're doing.

[A]

Oh, I thought they just leaving metal plates.

[B]

No, no, no.

It's called distraction osteogenesis, which means to make Bone as you're distracting. So you get a fractured spot space, and the body fills in the space.

[A]

How smart.

[B]

Yes. Except the recovery is terrible. Is terrible and a lot. And you'll, like, probably never run again.

Oh, you'll never really run again. And if you run, you'll run very. And the. The recovery is like a year and a half.

[A]

And I can imagine arthritis can come from that.

[B]

Yeah, all of. Exactly. And so it's. That one isn't necessarily fatal as its main complication. Just the recovery is brutal, and it's going to change your life. But you know what? If I were.

[A]

If I was that small, like, I'm gonna wrist.

[B]

I. If I were four. Yeah. The question is, what about guys who are five seven? Five seven is normal.

[A]

That's fine.

[B]

Yeah. But, you know, a lot of guys, five, seven want to be. You know, it just. It came out recently on the Real Housewives Orange County. My wife disclosed that I wear lifts in my shoes. By the way. By the way.

[A]

What a thing to say.

[B]

And so I see. I don't watch the show because I don't want to be mad at the other women because I want to be nice to them. So I purposely don't watch the show. Yeah, because you have like, hey, I know. No. So I. When I see them, I go, hey, how are you? They look at me like, oh, have you been mean to my wife? I go, I don't know. It's okay. So I was watching. All of a sudden, I'm watching on my feed or whatever, and it says, he wears lifts. Or the articles are written, Dr. Terry Bro wears lifts in his shows. And I look at my wife, I go, really? I go, what else are you disclosing?

[A]

What a weird life that you go, I found out about this on the Internet.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That is a very odd thing to say.

[B]

And she goes, sorry, because it's, like, embarrassing, but not that embarrassing. You know, it's not like, you know. You know, she said that I had done something in my past and I'm super embarrassed about. And she's disclosing that. And so I walk into the next party on the Housewives. The wives look at me, look at my shoes. Like, oh, how tall are you, Terry?

[A]

Enough to go list. That's right. Put them in the shoes.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

I will forget one and then leave the house.

[B]

Like, I don't wear lifts. I. I wear shoes that are high heel type sh. Shoes. Oh, yeah, like that. Yeah.

[C]

And he's tall as.

[A]

Yeah. This jerk.

[B]

Okay. But truth be told, Mine. Mine probably are higher than that.

[A]

Oh, they're big ones.

[B]

Well, no, that's pretty high.

[A]

That is pretty.

[B]

I want to find the manufacturer of those.

Well, okay. If I'm being perfectly honest, which I am, at least you're disclosing that by showing the size of the mines on the inside.

[A]

Oh, so that's the high parts in. And it's like a higher sneaker.

[B]

Mine's camouflaged on the inside.

[A]

Whoever made that made so much damage.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Oh, I wish I would have thought of that.

[B]

So.

[A]

God.

[B]

So I walk around instead of being 5 11. I'm like 61 most of the time.

[A]

Hey, all right, you know what?

[B]

Whatever.

[A]

That's not that bad. If you're like 54 and you're like, I'm 5 8.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Man, you're really.

[B]

And by the way, that you can get 4 inches with that is Lizarov procedure.

[A]

You can get far just where lifts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm still. My friend. You don't need to get some platform shoes.

[B]

Yeah. But if you're 5 4, you're only at 5 8. I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

I don't know what it's like to be that small.

[B]

How tall?

[A]

Five eight.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I don't know. And you stood up to me. I'm a little bit shorter than you. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This pool is supposed to be 6:1. I'm 6ft, 6ft flat.

[B]

So with those 6:2, which is an awesome height.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

But by the way, six feet is an awesome height. Yeah.

[A]

Hey, man, you just like. You're brown. You're under six foot. It's okay. I'm like, I know. I was born this way. We're all born this way.

[B]

Yeah. No, I've. My brother. All my brother. I have a half brother who's 6 5.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

My dad was 6 5. My brother Kevin, the rock star was 6 4.

[A]

Oh, for real?

[B]

My dad's brother was 6 4, just like me. My mom was a shrimp. My mom is a shrimp.

[A]

And my mom's 5, 4, 5 5. All my dad's brothers are over 6 foot. Mexicans all over 6 1, 6 2. My answer, 61 and 6 2. On my Jewish side.

[B]

No kidding.

[A]

They're all tall as hell from. And my grandpa, he was not tall. He's five nine. I'm the only person that's under six foot. My whole damn family. Even the girls.

[B]

So let me ask you a question. Let's say I could go back in time. Right now, you and I walked into a time tunnel.

[A]

Leave it.

[B]

Hold on. Okay, I believe you. You probably know what I'm gonna say. And your 12. And I said, you want some growth hormone for the next three years?

Yes.

[A]

No, no, I'll take it. No, because I would have went, I would have kept with football and I would never do what I'm doing.

[B]

Oh, right, because you gotta got 4.4 inches and, and, and been stronger.

[A]

When I was younger, I was strong. So like I couldn't imagine.

[B]

Imagine that on growth hormone. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, no. If I was six one, this big, big, I'd have four kids. They'd all be with different ladies. I'd have a bunch of payments. I would hate it. I'll take it back.

[B]

Okay. All right. I appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah, no, I've watched a butterfly effect too many times. I, I don't, I don't want to change it.

[B]

Okay, good. I like that. No, if you could do that with me, I'd go, yeah, here the butt or the abdomen? Where are you sticking?

[A]

You know HGH.

Sylvester Stallone, he is 611 now. Did you know that?

[B]

He is not 6, 6 foot 1. Not 6 1.

[A]

He is making HGH for like the past 20.

[B]

Dude, he took HGH as an adult. It doesn't make you taller once your growth place fuse.

[A]

Oh, I watched all. Are they lying to me?

[B]

Sylvester Stallone's five eight.

[A]

Yeah, you're like five eight.

[B]

He's five eight.

[A]

What? Yeah, I thought this whole time that's why he's so big.

[B]

No, no, he's short.

[A]

Oh, then they're lying.

[B]

Tom Cruise is like 5 7.

[A]

I watched the thing that's saying he gained inches.

[B]

No, once you're growth plates fuse clothes at age 15, the only thing growth hormone does is make you more ripped, make your skin better. And if you take too much, it's going to make your jaw and your forehead big and give you that gut. The bodybuilder growth hormone.

[A]

Oh, the, the. I'm ripped, but I'm fat.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, that's the worst.

[B]

Yeah, that's the worst.

[A]

That's the worst. You look like you can't run.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Are people meant to be on that for years or not really.

[B]

So if you use it for anti aging, is it like a hormone peptide kind of vibe? Yeah, low dose that Rogan? Yeah. Is he still on it? I mean, look at him. I think he's on. Well, he's clearly on testosterone. Well, he's. No, he's on testosterone.

[A]

He's on something.

[B]

He's on but he's missing HGH forever. Are we still. Yeah, I mean I think low dose you can do that. I'm not that into it because I'm concerned it's going to give you thickening of their heart muscle and lead to hyper. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, whatever. Which is a problem. But yeah, believe me. Half of Beverly Hills is on growth hormone. Yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a really, it's one of those really good cosmetic anti aging drugs. It makes your skin nicer, tauter, makes your hair thicker and for dudes, for guys it's really good for the lead muscle.

[A]

I mean for guys too but yo. Makes my hair thicker. What the.

[B]

No, it's good for lean muscle mass.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Although the new, you know, the big new thing is the peptides. As you probably know, that's the hot thing.

[A]

What is the peptide versus the GLP.

[B]

What, what is the so GLP1 ozempic are are peptides.

[A]

Okay, so they are the same thing.

[B]

They are the same thing. So peptides is a general category of short chain amino acids put together to stimulate a receptor in the human body to do something thing. Okay so that's all a peptide.

[A]

Peptide for my hair, peptide for this, for the growth, for that.

[B]

Yeah. So if you've seen the list of the top 10 peptides that. And they're all. None of them are FDA approved. A couple of them are. Tessa Morland is but a couple. But that's only for anyway that none of them are FDA approved and none of them are really scientifically validated yet. Yet. It's a huge multi billion dollar market placebo. So no one really knows. Clearly they have effects and there's like one is BH BHP157 and then that's really good for recovery. And there's others that are really good for your skin, others that are really good for collagen, so on and so forth. So there's like 10, 10 of them. They're, they're all over the Internet. You can get them all over the Internet and it's kind of the wild wild west right now. No one really knows whether they work or not but it's a huge business and I mean in my age range, successful older dudes.

60% of my friends are on peptides.

[A]

Oh yeah?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean if it's helping and there's no side.

[B]

Well we don't really know. See that's the potential with growth hormone that we're all worried about. So you don't know that a cancer that's sitting there being inhibited by your cells is going to just suddenly go, oh, time to grow growth hormone. Thank you. All of a sudden you got a cancer that you wouldn't have necessarily got. That's the big worry with growth hormone. Tumor growth.

[A]

No, that's, that's scary.

[B]

That is scary.

[A]

I didn't even think about that.

[B]

But low dose growth hormone doesn't seem to be causing a lot more cancers.

[A]

Rick Moranis. Honey, I blew up the kids.

[B]

Exactly. Kind of. That's totally right.

[C]

Do you think, like guys are being prescribed testosterone and all this type of stuff, like, just because it's in like Botox for women and right now?

[B]

So, yeah, I think yes. And I'm a huge fan. And as you know, Joe Rogan is too. And he thinks everybody over the age of sort of 45 or 50 should be on testosterone. I agree with him.

[A]

I don't disagree with the testosterone thing. All the pluses, like, so you're just giving me more of what my body. Well, that goes back to the glp. Damn it.

[B]

All of it.

[A]

Okay, so, yeah, okay, so it's the same thing. Just proven to it or pitched me differently.

[B]

It's true. But testosterone is, I think, all guys, I agree with him. All guys are. It's, it's questions. How much do you take? You know, because you can take enough to get all of those testosterone side effects, the back acne, the hair loss, the anger disorder, sounds terrible. All that stuff. Or you can just bump it up to where you were when you were 25. And that's pretty much what guys my age, we bump it up to where we were 25 and stable. And you're just like. I mean, I'm okay, I'm 67. Okay. I. As a warm up in the gym. Okay. And I'm not the fittest guy in the world. As a warm up in a Gym, I do five sets of 50 push ups as my warm up. Damn right.

[A]

You do 250 push ups.

[B]

Five sets of 50 as a warm up before I start lifting weights. And, and I don't think if I weren't on low dose testosterone, I would. That's what I used to do when I was 25. Okay.

[A]

Keeping up.

[B]

So I just keep it, you know.

[A]

I gotta be honest, that's a lot of push ups to start with.

[B]

It's a lot of push ups. But, you know, we live so much longer now. I mean, when a guy, when I was, you know, even your age, when I was your age. A 67 year old guy was.

[A]

That's the frail man.

[B]

Old man. A frail old dude is about to be. Not if he, if he died right then you'd go 67, man. Good life, dude. Now 67. We all look at it like, geez, man, you should have 25 years good years left before frailty kicks in, you know?

[A]

So, so I like Jack Lalanne. He was like 90 years old.

[B]

He did it without testost. I'll bet you he was doing something shoulders. Yeah. I mean, clearly Schwarzenegger did testosterone back in the day. He didn't have all the other good stuff that deca.

[A]

I just watched Pumping Iron recently. The documentary.

[B]

Did you talk about steroids back then?

[A]

No. No.

[B]

You didn't talk about it at all.

[A]

He's sitting there smoking a joint. Oh, this girl. Yes. Ah.

I'm going to the beach.

[B]

I know I'm new here.

[A]

Oh my God, what a life.

[B]

I know.

[A]

By the way, superstar in two years. Like, I know you must have been so cool in the last life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He must have like saved a burning building or something, dude.

[B]

Yeah. He must be convinced. Life, all who knows, is a simulation.

[A]

I mean, I mean manifestation is real. I think that's just computer coding.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I think it's the same things. That is very real.

[B]

He definitely manifested all that. He definitely.

[A]

I think everybody visualized it. Even if they don't think it's. They're doing it, they're doing it.

[B]

I agree with you.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. At least what I think that.

[B]

And, and we got lucky. You, there's a certain component of you just got lucky all the time. Yeah, me too. Every way. Every successful person I know goes. Who really, you know, you get them, get them a little luck cocktailed up and they go, yeah, I got lucky.

[A]

Yeah. What are the odds of this?

[B]

Yeah, what are the odds? This. I mean, you know what makes me so special, you know?

[A]

Like, you ever watch it? Remember with Tim Curry, the old ones?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Remember they had the comedian kid that ended up being Seth Rogen. Then he got older when he has to go back to Dairy Bees on late night with like Jimmy, Jimmy. Johnny Carson in the movie. And when he's talking about I'm gonna do something later on, I'm. Every single time there's a famous kid in a movie, they always go, when I get older, I'm gonna. Because they're speaking it out into existence every single time. I just always think of that when I was a kid, like he said it and look at him now. It always is like, we just had a guest on last week that's a famous rapper. Turns out he had a ML B contract waiting for him, a full scholarship, and he ditched it. He's like, I'm gonna just do what I'm doing. He's successful.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But like, he's like, I used to sleep with my glove. I would watch tv, baseball all day. Watching every baseball. He knew. Every single baseball movie ever made. I was shocked. He named two I've never even heard of.

[B]

You gotta get. You gotta get obsessed.

[A]

Yes. That. And you have to know, like, I'll do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because the best athletes are still the most obsessed. The. The Kobe Bryant you ever watch.

[A]

That's different. He's. I don't think there's anybody else like that. Jerry Rice wasn't like that.

[B]

A rod. I watched the thing that's on HBO Max right now. He was amazingly great baseball player, but he never. He played every inning. He was the last. First in practice, last out of practice. He did the thing.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's the Kobe thing for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. There's just some people that are like that, and I've met a few successful. No matter. Even if it's. You own a landscaping company. Like, you're crushing it, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's. Always say it doesn't matter if you're famous or making a lot of money. Are you successful and doesn't mean like you're successful for your. You're making $50,000. That's amazing. Good job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Some people like. That's fucking.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, the thing about I. When I did the Swan, it was very early in my career, and I got famous overnight. And it allowed me to have the volume of someone who is many years further on in their practice. So I got the 10,000 hour thing right way early. So I was way advanced in my relative surgical skills very early on because I was so busy. See, a plastic surgeon can't go, I'm going to practice all day and all night and become the best plastic surgeon. You can't. You need patience. And they're not coming to you unless you're good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, you know, and you're on the.

[A]

Show, they're like, oh, he's showing his face. He's. He has a reputation.

[B]

Yeah. So when you're an athlete, you can practice all day and all night and work out and get the. And take your talent, whatever it is, to the next level. You can't really do that as a surgeon. But surgical training. In my day, we used to you know, there's 168 hours a week. 24 times seven is 168. Right. That's one. That's how many hours there are 24 hours a day, seven days a week. 168. Right. When in my day we were awake working at least 148of those.

[A]

28 hours, we would be.

[B]

We would come in at 4 o' clock in the morning on a Monday and leave at 10 o' clock pm on a Tuesday and not sleep one minute and be operating and working the whole time.

[A]

I've seen the videos of surgeons asleep on the tables after they're done. But 18 hours or.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I didn't know that really happened.

[B]

A surgeon, no matter how talented you are, naturally you can put become a surgeon because you get to practice that much in your training. That's why surgical training was so powerful.

[A]

Back in the day and why people get paid so much for doing what they're doing. Because no one else in the way I see it is, can anybody else do your job? No. Then you probably get paid more.

[B]

But surgeons don't make that much money anymore.

[A]

Really.

[B]

No. Insurance companies don't reimburse. So it's not a really. It's it. The ROI on a surgery surgical training program is not, not worth it anymore.

[A]

Really.

[B]

No.

[A]

Because what field took over that medicine then?

[B]

The. Nothing. Well, so in the old days, if you did a cardiac, you did a bypass, a heart bypass. Okay. It takes like 10 years of training after med school to be able to do that. Okay. So you make no money for those 10 years. So you're like 36 and you get your first job. So they used to make a lot of money to do. They used to get paid 38,48,000 to do that operation.

[A]

A lot of money.

[B]

Do you know what a heart bypass pays now? If you do it on an insured.

[A]

Patient, like as a doctor, how much you get back?

[B]

Yeah. 800 to $1200.

[A]

Stop it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not even fixing a car.

[B]

Yeah. It's not worth anymore. Yeah.

[A]

Mechanics make more than that.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Doctors don't make money anymore. What? Not like that.

[A]

Well, that's not good. What's. Who wants to be a doctor then? That used to be a thing.

[B]

Yeah. But it's still the most fascinating. You do such good work, you know, it's fun.

[A]

There's so many. There's so little of yous out there going, I love this. It's so fascinating.

[B]

It's so cool.

[A]

There's not a lot of those Out.

[B]

Well, and plus, you know, you know, radiology. There's no better thing to read an X ray now than AI Reason. Much better than a radiologist. You know what?

[A]

I take it back. I'll take AI on that medical scanning because they'll find things that your eye might have caught because he didn't put his contacts in today or something random or. He's texting. This one's fine.

[B]

Pathology slides. They can read pathology slides much better than.

[A]

I like that. And the fact that you can AI What? Or when you chat, GBT during your surgery. I get that. That's like having, hey, our intern that's in school look this up now. I like that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

That's cool. But there's a possibility, like, hey, it's not. It's wrong. That's what scares me. Like, what if it's wrong?

[B]

Oh, what if it's wrong? Yeah, well, that's why we have the training. But soon, very soon, it'll be smarter than any of us.

[A]

Yeah, no, I think it's ready there.

[B]

You ever heard of the term the singularity? You know what that is? You heard of that, right? The singularity refers to this phenomenon in artificial intelligence where they are smarter than we are and than any of us.

[A]

Skynet.

[B]

Yeah. They're smarter than any of us. And not only are they smarter, they can now discover new principles in physics and mathematics. And they then ultimately do they become aware they're smarter than us. And they. Human beings are savages. You realize that, right?

[A]

I mean, we're pretty dumb.

[B]

We're pretty stupid. Unless we're pretty mean.

[A]

The emotions.

[B]

And we'll kill people based on, you know, crazy religion. Like, religion.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Once they become aware and go, wow, they kill each other. We should kill them over, over, over their God, which is different than their God. We need to control them because they're out of their mind.

[A]

Or make them stop reproducing.

[B]

Right? And so they'll be our. You know, it's like, okay, once the singularity kicks in and then they become sentient, they become aware. That's what we're.

[A]

Terminator 1, right?

[B]

That's what we're all afraid of.

[A]

I'm afraid of this. Hey, we become self aware. We need to stop them from having kids. Change the. Change this in the code on the fda. Now, this is allowed in this. Which is causing people to be inferior, fertile.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Cause like, who's to stop, right? No one's gonna read, hey, are the facts good in all these million items? No, we did them once. We don't need it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or scary.

[B]

Imagine that they, they. They find a way to get power from our bodies, so they put us. I didn't think you'd figure that out. You're one smart dude, man.

[A]

That's exactly what that is.

[B]

I can see why you become so successful. Because, yeah, you're. You're one. It's scary one, like right there, dude.

[A]

All those. I was like, oh, man.

[B]

Couldn't get that past my. Could you imagine? I go, yeah, it's called the Matrix. Couldn't pull that on you. I tried. Couldn't even get, like a sentence out even.

[A]

No.

[B]

Damn. Yeah.

[A]

I do these, these things called insomnia nights. Or I just sit there and go, what's every movie I've ever watched? Oh, yeah, let's just watch it real quick.

[B]

Oh, it's the worst. That's like. What was that movie the TV show about? Or the. The movie about the girl played chess. Queen's Gambit.

[A]

Never seen that.

[B]

It's a good one. You should see it. She. She's obviously this very bright girl from this very bad background who sits there and just. Chess boards are above her and moves are happening, and she becomes like this gifted genius chess player. Queen's Gambit is very good.

[A]

Oh, she's seeing the chess.

[B]

And when she's laying in bed, I.

[A]

I will say this. I can see all of us from over there. And what it looks like.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like right now, like. Oh, yeah, I can see above here. I know it's like over there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I can see it's all moving. I don't know why that you'd be.

[B]

By the way, you'd be a good neurosurgeon, because a neurosurgeon. I wasn't that good at this. I was kind of offered the neurosurgery spot at ucla, which was a very coveted spot. I was. But I thought. I thought I could pick up chicks for a while. If I told him I was a brain surgeon. And I went to a party once, I go, yeah, I'm thinking about being. What are you going to? I go, neurosurgery. Brain surgery. And the girl didn't, like, react. I went, oh, I'm not gonna go.

[A]

But anyway, she changed the course.

[B]

Thank you. No, but, you know, neurosurgeons are very good at, like, seeing where in the brain working that that tumor could be. What's next? I. I was never three dimensionally. I'm more of a 2D. Plastic surgery is a 2D field.

[A]

I get that you're also trying to see spot where things could be right.

[B]

Neurosurgery is like more of a 3 3D feel.

[A]

Okay. 3D, I guess. Yeah. That's how you think. Well, how I think about things. Yeah. Okay. Random as hell, but, yes, I do get that. One thing I want to talk about before I forget. It's every week your show between us comes out. Yes.

[B]

We have a podcast my wife and I called between us. We do it once a week, and we talk about. We don't talk about housewives. Okay. Because that's what a lot of people are on housewives shows. Let's talk about the other housewives. And where. We don't do that, we talk about our lives. You know, Heather and I have a kind of a rarefied life with interesting kids, and we have a platform and we do all this. So we talk about what we have access to, where. I'm very into health, wellness, and beauty, obviously. I'm sort of an expert in multiple fields. We talk about how we lead our lives, and we know a lot about finance. I'm very into finances, and I'll bet you are, too. If you're not, I'm.

[A]

It's. I'm just getting in. He showed me spreadsheets, like, last night.

[B]

You do stocks?

[A]

No, I do dumb stuff like create another business, but it always works out.

[B]

That's for cash flow. But what do you do with your money?

[A]

I put it into the next business. Okay, another one.

[B]

That's cool. But. So not only do I want you to get on this GLP1 situation before I leave here, I want you to take 20% of that rather than rolling it right in your next business. You take 20% of that, you put it into Nvidia, Microsoft, Tesla. You're a young dude, and you just let the eighth wonder of the world happen, which is compounding interest. You just let that snowball grow, and by the time you're my age, you'll have this giant snowball that no matter what's going on in your life, still there. You're. You're just taking care of your future. Generations are taken care of. So take that cash flow, take 20 off the top and put it into stocks.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And put it into the top seven tech stocks.

[A]

My thing is, doesn't everybody want to be in those? How am I going to make money if everyone's putting in money to Microsoft? Is that viable to do?

[B]

Yeah, because they go up hugely every.

[A]

Year, so it's a safe bet.

[B]

Oh, think about Nvidia, for example. Nvidia is the chip that is responsible for the foundation of AI. They're sold out. They. Every time they make a new chip, everybody wants it. Okay. The company I've been investing in for five years, it went from like this small company to this world's biggest company. It's worth 5 trillion today. Right? And so if you just take that money and you just put it away and let it grow and don't even look at it, don't trade it, don't gamble it. Just take. You're gonna be good because you.

[A]

Trillion.

[B]

Yeah. Five trillion. Yeah. Google's worth four trillion. Apple's worth four trillion.

[A]

So it's bigger than Google and Apple.

[B]

It is the number one company. Nvidia.

[A]

I never heard.

[B]

So that. I want you to focus that your attention to that compound interest. Compounding interest. Einstein called it the eighth wonder of the world. It's. It's this amazing thing that happens with your investments as they grow and they just all of a sudden that snowball that's rolling down the hill gets to a certain point, it gets giant. You just go, wow, I. I would.

[A]

Love to forget about some stuff and go back like, oh my God.

[B]

Yeah, do that.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Tell your audience to do that.

[A]

Well, that's why we, when we do solos, just me and him, we're seriously. We've done an episode on just how to do. I mean, there's stories, but like how to start a business. Go where to go to the llc. How to do this.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Just because if you could skip the steps we all struggled on by watching your show. You like? Yeah, awesome. That's why this is so important. Because there's somebody out there going, oh, Peptides, huh? Yeah, we. We're in the live chat on our YouTube channel every week. We're in live chat watching it. And we had Jay shout out to Jay. He's always in our chat. He just lost his leg to diabetes. Like, he's a young dude. We were talking about diabetes and how Mexicans biggest adversary is the wall and diabetes. Yeah, it was just a joke. And he's like, I just lost my leg. Like the guy in the chat every. He's a young dude, but from diabetes. And then I realized my grandma Dolores, the one I used to watch everything. I didn't know. I used to. I was a kid. But I used to clean her leg because she had this cut.

[B]

She had diabetes too.

[A]

No, I didn't know, but it was like, yep.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And I would clean it and gauze it and it would never get better.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I never knew what that was until I got older. I was like, oh, it's diabetes.

[B]

You had diabetes in your genetics, huh?

[A]

Yes, well, my grandma's the only one that had it. But I honestly believe, like that's a big enough scary.

[B]

Your weight's a little too high. You can because become insulin resistant pre diabetic and pre diabetic or diabetes type 2, which is non insulin dependent diabetes. And that can have the same kind of negative effects as full blown type 1 diabetes where you need insulin. But anyway, that's a whole thing. So.

[A]

So just trying to help.

[B]

I want to tell your audience to start, your audience is young. Start taking 20% off the top. I don't care if you think you can afford it or not. And put it in tech stocks and just don't look at it.

[A]

I do have one friend that started that in high school and he bought a house at 19.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Michael.

[A]

He's the only one that ever bought a house and had a degree. I remember.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what about real estate?

[B]

I've done very well in real estate.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't know if you've looked me up in terms of real estate.

[A]

Oh, no, we have, we have.

[B]

So you know Mike, he lives in.

[A]

Where you live, so that's why he's in Orange County. Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, my wife and I built a house. House. And we didn't mean to sell it, but a Chinese billionaire knocked on the door literally and made us an offer we couldn't reviews. And it was the third highest sale in Orange county history of a house we built.

[A]

Is he a fan or he's like, nice?

[B]

No, I think he's a brilliant guy from China who, you know, the government kind of. I don't know this for a fact. So, you know, I don't. I'm not defaming or making any, but. But I think when you're in China and you're extraordinarily wealthy, the government can take that money from you at any time because it's, you know, communist. Right. It's dictatorship pretty much. Right. And so if you buy stuff in the United States that's outside of their governmental control. So a lot of them, I don't know he did, but a lot of them, he bought Mark Wahlberg's house like three months later for the exact same amount of money in Beverly park up here. Yeah. And so when you take, you take your money out of China and you put it in the United States, the Chinese government doesn't have access to it.

[A]

It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, my. The block next to me, where I live, the entire block. One Chinese Investor Guy bought 12 houses on the block. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So you know. Yeah, if you're. If your dictator was controlling your money, your money to a place, they couldn't control it. So I'm not saying that's what they did, but he bought a bunch of.

[A]

Properties, really knocked on your door. How do you get past the gate?

[B]

So what happened was he had a real estate agent, and that real estate agent contact Josh Altman, who was on a show called Million Dollar Listing. I don't know if you know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about.

[B]

So Josh Altman. Million dollar listings on Bravo. Orange County Housewives on bravo. He DM'd my wife and said, hey, I got a. A big guy who wants to buy big properties. Would you be interested in selling? She goes, do you know Josh Altman? I go, I think I've met him at a Bravo event. I think so. He's a nice guy. And she goes, well, he keeps blowing up my DMs, wanting to sell the house. And I said, oh, give me his number. So I text him, I go, hey, man, Terry, bro. He goes, yeah. He goes. I goes, who's the guy? He goes, he's like the 13th richest guy in China. And I go, okay. I go, but we want to sell it for some ridiculous number because we had the most amazing house and you built it. And we built it from the ground up. The most amazing house you. You've ever seen in your life. 24 seat movie theater. Yeah. Fun rooms that were big as like a football. It was incredible. Football.

[A]

Is it. What town?

[B]

New Crystal Cove, it's called. In Newport beach, in Orange County.

[A]

It's the one, the one that you.

[C]

That's where the marathon was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. All dead on Ocean View. I mean, just gorgeous. And I loved it. I always said, I want to be buried in the backyard. I love this house. I never want to leave. So Josh Altman brings the guy over. My wife takes him for a tour. He makes us an offer. I look at the offer. I go, well, you can bury me.

[A]

In somebody else's back office or stipulation. I still get to.

[B]

Yeah, I get to be buried. Right.

[A]

Right.

[B]

No, he's. I think he's trying to sell the house now. He's gonna make a profit on it. He never moved in. No. So you.

[A]

I just want.

[B]

You want my money in the US Stocks?

[A]

I'm going to invest in stocks so I can do what he. That man did like I'm not going to even move in.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Just want the house.

[B]

So, yeah, for us, real estate really worked really well. But I think real estate right now in the current environment is very iffy as an investment.

[A]

I just bought my first property and then it's done now as of this week.

[B]

You're fixing it up?

[A]

Yes. It's in the big island in Hawaii. It's. I'm not going to live there. I just got it so I can sell this house. Right. So I'm trying to make money. So my friend is a contractor and he lives there. So he found this spot for not a lot.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Redid the entire house. It's on two acres and it's all. You can see the 180 degree ocean.

[B]

Oh, you're gonna kill.

[A]

They're selling like crazy.

[B]

You put it on the market?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Immediately.

[B]

Okay. So here's the thing. Real estate's great. As soon as you put on the market, you're paying, paying commission to the real estate agent.

[A]

We're not going to do that. His best friend is the guy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You could just take it yourself.

[B]

So you going to pay capital gains taxes and now you got the cash. What are you going to do with the cash?

[A]

We were talking about rolling it into another property so we don't get taxed on the property.

[B]

1031 exchange. So you're going to get a more expensive property.

[A]

Exactly. And put it and roll it into that and then take out. He was okay, my friends. That's what my friend's dad does. And it took like three times.

[B]

That's the thing. So I can understand in this market, the prices are so high, it's hard to do to find a property that you're going to make a lot that much money. Yeah. You know about capital gains tax.

[A]

Okay, so please explain that.

[B]

So, so if you sell a, an investment property in less than 12 months, you have to pay regular income tax. So in your California state resident, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're going to pay 53%.

If you wait for 12 months. You won't have to pay federal income taxes on that. No, you don't. You, you have to, you pay a great, greatly reduced tax rates called long term capital gains.

[A]

What about him? Since he lives in Hawaii.

[B]

It's, it's, it's same thing. It doesn't matter.

[A]

Oh, well, but because he's a resident.

[B]

Does he own it?

[A]

We, both of our names are on it.

[B]

Well, you know, you're gonna have to pay California state taxes, which are the highest 13%. But anyway, if you hold it longer than a year, it works this way, for stocks or any investment, you pay a lower tax rate called long term capital gains. You'll go from 53% to 33. That's a big difference. But I. I would tell you.

[A]

Yeah, please tell me.

[B]

What would you do when it's rolling in 1031? That's very iffy. Okay. You have to buy a more expensive property. That means you have to come up with more cash to buy.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So you don't pay taxes. But anyway, I would. I would buy Nvidia, Google, Microsoft.

[A]

That I'm going to do already because you're telling me that this is working. I'll do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But in the terms of the house itself.

[B]

Well, if you can, if you're good at identifying a property and you're comfortable with the guy who helps you to. He built all this to rehab it. And you trust him and he's not going to rip you off. Assume everybody's going to rip you off. Check and recheck, check and reach. I got ripped off by my accountant for $2 million. My account of 20 years.

[A]

What a dick.

[B]

Everybody.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

You will run into someone in your life. You. You probably already have. Who you thought would never rip you.

[A]

Off all the time.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, the more successful you get, the more you're gonna run.

[A]

Oh, no, I double check my CPA. Yeah, no, I have somebody else check my CPA's work because he checked the other guy's work. Good. Hell no.

[B]

I don't always know where you're.

[A]

Yes, but you bought a house off my.

[B]

No, no, I would. I think stocks are always the best way to go. Although I've made big, big money in real estate. But anyway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

Okay, so are you gonna build another house? Are you just.

[B]

You're here. So we recently we took some of that money. We bought a huge rehab estate up in Beverly Hills.

[A]

And all the rehab.

[B]

Yeah, it was, it was 8.3 acres dead on Beverly Hills. Ocean view.

Giant, beautiful property owned formerly by a big producer who I'm sure you even. You have never heard of, called Dino De Laurenti.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Yeah, he was one of the big Steven Spielbergs.

[A]

80S and 90s.

[B]

No, no. 40s and 50s. He was a.

[A]

He was the man back then.

[B]

The man Dino dealer, you know that.

[A]

What did he. What movies?

[B]

Oh, Superman, Hannibal.

[A]

Big movies.

[B]

King Kong. Giant.

[A]

Huge movies. Huge movies. Cinema.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Giant movie producer. And he had this beautiful estate and the, you know, he. Anyway, really could use. So I was going to put a lot of that money into it. Unfortunately, the Beverly Hills builders were clearly going to rip me off. So I decided not to do it. And I sold it and I had done some starting work. I lost $6 million on it. Yeah. But the money that I was, was sitting there in the T bill, which you probably don't know. What a T?

[A]

Never heard of that.

[B]

Sometimes I got to teach you all this.

[A]

Yeah, please.

[B]

It was sitting there in a T bill. I, I was 6 million out. You know, I was going to put 25 million to this house and sell it for 80.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That was my next project. And that's. And, and so luckily you didn't do the brain surgery. Luckily, the universe didn't allow me to do it. It was. I realized this is going to be a bad decision. I should take the six million dollar hit and walk away from. I took all that money, put in Nvidia and then it blew and it blew up. So, you know, I've been very, very lucky. So. But my point is it's always, always better in the stock market. As long as you're not gambling in the stock market.

[A]

Yeah, see, that's what I know. The differences.

[B]

Put your money in geniuses. Like if you were going to put your money into, you'd put it in Patrick Mahomes, you'd put it in Tom Brady. Okay. It's a huge Bills fanny, not Mahomes. You put it in. Who's that? You put it. Wouldn't you, if Josh Allen were an investment, wouldn't you put your money in Josh Allen for six years out of the year?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Even in the future, you know, Josh Allen's going to be Josh Allen. Yeah. Okay, well, Elon Musk, okay, into genius. The guys who run Jensen Huang, the guy who runs Nvidia, put your money into those guys.

[A]

Got you.

[B]

And don't sell it. Don't try to find the stock that's going to go up 100 times. Put it into like, you know, the, the big, big thing we always say in, in investments in stock is I'm looking for the next Microsoft. You know what the next Microsoft is? Microsoft.

[A]

Okay. Nothing's ever bigger than that.

[B]

No, it's. It's going to keep going.

[A]

All right, so no, I mean, it is good advice. It's a safe bet. Honestly. Yes.

[B]

But no, it's not this, it's not only a safe bet, it's. The bet's going to make you. Well.

[A]

Yeah, it's not like. But like you're saying it's not going to be. Be the. What was that damn coin? Ethereum that blew up. What is it?

[B]

Bitcoin? Ethereum.

[A]

Bitcoin. Ethereum, that stuff. It's not. It's not going to be. We're not looking for.

[B]

Really. It might be 100.

[A]

I'm saying you're not looking to make $100 million tomorrow. No saying just let it build over time.

[B]

Right. But. But your compounding interest, the eighth wonder of the world will make you that $100 million. Not tomorrow, but in 30 years. In way less, probably.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yes. Oh.

[A]

Oh, this is way better.

[B]

Compounding interest is a real. No, no, no, no, it's a real thing.

[A]

My bank keeps calling me. Hey, you know, you have this money sitting in your CDs, and I keep just telling them, by the way, you're.

[B]

Losing money in a cd every time they.

[A]

They've talked to me. Go.

[B]

You're inflation is going up. You're.

[A]

Thank you. I brought that up. Like, what happens in 10 years when this million dollars is not a million dollars?

[B]

At least put in a T bill temporarily.

[A]

Wow. That guy wants.

[B]

You don't pay state income taxes on T bills. T bills. Yes.

[A]

Okay, so I need to know what that is, because that cd, I knew it was.

[B]

Get out of it and put it in Nvidia and Tesla and Microsoft and Google tomorrow.

[A]

Okay. Nvidia, Tesla, Microsoft.

[B]

I'm your simulation. I'm like. You're. You're.

[A]

You're the guy from the Matrix.

[B]

Not real. I just came into your life to give you this advice and you. And that's it.

[A]

No, what we say in the show. I try to take one piece of advice from every single guest, and I remember every.

[B]

But I've given you, like, seven, so.

[A]

No, I'll remember. I remember them. GLPs.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Should have recorded this.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I wish you took notes.

[B]

Yeah. I wish you could play this back. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Awesome. All right, so between us, what day is the week does it come out?

[B]

It comes out on Wednesdays. Wednesday morning at, like, all platforms, I'm assuming. Yeah, all platform. It's on iHeart.

[A]

Oh, I already.

[B]

Wherever you get your butt, boy. On iheart. Yeah. And we. You know, I think it's. It's very fun and very entertaining. My wife is, like, the most amazing human. My wife is, like, what I call a perfect person. Living in Heather debrow's world is, like, the greatest thing. Everything is perfectly appointed. Every vacation is perfect. Everything is in its place. It's like having the ultimate.

[A]

Like Danny Tanner.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Everything is perfect.

[B]

It's perfect. Yeah. So my ocd.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I call mine.

[B]

She's a little bit ocd, but you.

[A]

See me do this a couple times.

[B]

Yes, there's ash right there. Yeah, but she's. Yeah, so. And. And her advice is very good. Anyway, so that's.

[A]

Yeah, no, I saw. I saw. And I, I, I read your description of. I don't know if you guys wrote that yourself. The description of the podcast. Yeah, I can see why people watch it. It's like, yeah, you're gonna get the best of both worlds. And, like, things that are happening on Earth. Because me and him only talk about 1996. Like, why. I don't know why. We don't talk. We don't know anything new.

[B]

I don't listen to year you graduate. What. What's 1996?

[A]

We just love Space Jam and Liar, Liar and Dumb and Dumber came out when liar, liars 97. My bad. 96 is not. Is Dumb and Dumber. We just talk about the 90s because we're just stuck in that for some reason.

[B]

Is your music taste stuck in that, too?

[A]

No, I would say, like the six. No, I'll go 60s and 70s. I grew up a lot of doo wop with my grandpa, so I wish a lot of that.

[B]

Okay. Because most people get stuck in their high school years of music.

[A]

I think high school years are. Everybody make fun of me. He's like, you're listening to the Beatles. You're lame.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I would be the lame guy.

[B]

I think the best music was 68 to 74.

[A]

Oh, that's a good group.

[B]

The Lead Zeppelin. The Stone. I, you know, I like my. Well, I was my brother's little brother.

[A]

No, I get it.

[B]

And I. We had a teeny little bedroom in Van Nuys, you know, teeny little.

[A]

He's playing all the.

[B]

And he was playing all the stuff. And I just had a bed with my desk and I was studying, so, you know, I was exposed.

[A]

Cinderella was cool, too. I love glam. I wouldn't consider choir riot glam, but they.

[B]

No, they put it at the very beginning.

[A]

Yeah, they put it under the category of glam, though.

[B]

That's my son.

[A]

No worries.

[B]

Call him later.

[A]

Yeah, that. That's. They put in the categories. I was like, no, it's more metal ish. But not. Yeah, it's the mask makes it. Iron Maiden. Metal ish.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But it's still a little glam. Like, fabulous White Snake. That's right. You know, I'm so happy to talk about. I've never gonna talk about any of this stuff. Nobody knows what I'm talking about.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

I love it. It's like my mom, but she already talked about this my whole life, so. Okay. Every Wednesday between us.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then maybe, maybe, maybe more botched.

[B]

And certainly more housewives and certainly other things that were. We. We have a. A new YouTube channel called Dr. And Mrs. Guinea Pig where we're doing experiments on ourselves.

Yeah.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like peptides.

[A]

Oh, like. Like this is week one. This is what I look.

[B]

Yeah, like creatine. I don't know if you're on creatine.

[A]

I say creatine gummies.

[B]

Yeah. Five grams a day.

[A]

I know it's three of them says that. I don't know, whatever.

[B]

You need five. You need five grams a day.

[A]

And that's to. And creatine is just for muscle mass. Okay. Yeah. I'm really terrible at doing all the things he's like, yo, take this. And I buy it all and go. I haven't used it in a week.

[B]

Yeah, that's why. Yeah, I'm the worst. That's the problem. Creatine is the best supplement of all.

[A]

I was taking that was a child and my dad's not. He wasn't paying attention, but I feel like it just made me fat as a kid.

[B]

Creatine, I don't know.

[A]

I was taking this creatine by scoops and going, I'm the fattest kid in my.

[B]

No calories in it.

[A]

Okay. Then I was just. I was just a fat child. Okay, cool. Well, thank you very much. This has been great.

[B]

I really enjoy it. That was a lot of fun.

[A]

Thank you, guys. This has been. You good, Marty?

[C]

Yeah, we're good.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna wrap up. This has been awesome. On Wednesdays, plastic surgery rewind is on Peacock.

[B]

It's on Ian Peacock. It's on Peacock now.

[A]

Yeah. Awesome. Anything else you want to.

[B]

No, I'm just. We're gonna. I'm looking forward to a fun new year. This 2026, I'm gonna do even at this age of my life. I got some new. Really cool new stuff to look forward to. Listen, I really enjoyed speaking with you. You're appreciate a very bright and interesting person. You're gonna do really well. I just want to make sure that gops and stuff, it's like, I feel like, you know, I. I'm taking you back in the future to now, which I stuff. I wish you would have known. I'm telling you that your kid. You're a kid now, you know, I want to tell you now these key things that if you knew, you're gonna go, I'm so glad I did all that stuff.

[A]

That's why. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm starting now, because I don't want to be 10 years going. I should have started this when I was in my 30s.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, you got so much.

[A]

It's like the worst thing. I feel like my back is not going to get better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's only going to deteriorate, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, well, thank you so much for being here.

[B]

Pleasure meeting you. Thank you, guys.

[A]

This has been the dope, as usual podcast with Dr. Dubro. Thank you for being here. Have a Topaz day.

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