Clix Podcast: Making Millions From Fortnite, Dropping Out of School at 13 & Building His Empire

Summary

DOUBLE COVERAGE PODCAST with Mystic Zach

Episode 23: Clix Podcast – Making Millions From Fortnite, Dropping Out of School at 13 & Building His Empire
Release Date: July 30, 2026
Guest: Clix (Cody Conrod), Professional Fortnite Player, Streamer, Entrepreneur

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Mystic Zach welcomes Clix, one of the world’s top Fortnite players, to discuss his journey from a 13-year-old gaming phenomenon to a millionaire entrepreneur. The conversation dives deep into the realities of esports, the business behind streaming, charitable efforts, the psychological demands of competitive gaming, and Clix's transition into entrepreneurship—all set in the evolving landscape of modern gaming culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Gaming and Start in Esports

• Clix’s Beginnings: Grew up sneaking into his brother’s room to play Call of Duty at 5 [04:05]. Discovered Fortnite at 12, begged his father for a gaming PC and paid him back within two weeks via in-game wagers, earning $1,600 [04:00].
• Early Success: Qualified for the Fortnite World Cup more than anyone else at age 13, winning $170,000 [04:03–05:00].
• "I dropped out of school. Dropped out of middle school." – Clix, explaining his unconventional path [05:04].
• On leaving school: Switched to online classes, but focused solely on Fortnite. Highest education: 8th grade [05:18].

2. Rise to Prominence: Building an Audience

• From Gameplay to Community: Clix attributes initial viewership spikes to his high-skill gameplay, but explains that long-term fan retention is about personality:

  "To get viewers in, it's the gameplay... But to keep 'em hanging is that's personality." [07:18]

• Discusses the role of controversy, "toxicity," and authenticity in growing his fanbase [07:18–07:53].

3. Competitive Landscape and Lifestyle

• Moving for Competition: Moved from Connecticut to New Jersey at 16, then to Dallas, Texas to stay at the esports epicenter after Fortnite servers centralized in Dallas [07:54–08:24].
• Achievements: Continues to place at the highest levels, "We just won FNCS. Me and Lacey..." [08:28].
• Top 10 in North America:

  "I have like $850,000 earned... I would say we're top 10 in America." [09:14–09:27]

• Training Regimen: Plays a minimum of 8–12 hours daily [10:34–11:11]. Compares favorably against up-and-comers like Peterbot, who sometimes plays 15 hours a day [10:45].

4. Balancing Personal Life and Mental Health

• Balances competitive play with a long-distance relationship. Girlfriend is in law school, which "helps" with the time commitment [11:26].
• "What a funny couple. The eighth grade dropout and the lawyer." – Mystic Zach [11:55]
• Family still in Connecticut; struggles with balancing time for family and friends [11:55].

5. Professional Longevity & Mental Coaching

• Staying at the Top: Few have lasted as long in Fortnite’s pro scene (over 8 years) [13:26], with most peaking for 2–4 years.
• Physical & Mental Demands: Clix employs a Fortnite coach and a dedicated breathing/mental coach (Poppies) to optimize performance and reaction time [15:17–17:09].
• Describes meticulous preparation and the parallels to traditional sports in terms of mental conditioning [14:27, 16:10–17:44]:

  "I want people to know... you are playing the top of the top of the number one game in the world." [17:44]

6. Entrepreneurship Beyond Gaming

• Tap Caps:
  • Co-founded a collectible fidget/keycap toy business (with Lacy). The product sold out rapidly, with rare ones reselling for $1,000+ [19:30–20:53].
  • Inspiration stems from wanting to merge gaming and IRL streaming fandoms [19:49].
  • Distribution goals include major retail stores, with strong investor backing (e.g., “Big Mike”, Mike Majlak) [25:00–27:23].
• Merch and Philanthropy:
  • Owns apparel brand Dreamin, soon launching the "Dreamin Access Fund" to give away gaming PCs to underprivileged kids [31:05–33:49].
  • “All the money... goes right back into the company for future drops and we have a lot cooking.” [25:02]
  • Annual “Clicksmas” charity runs, having given away 30 computers last year with a goal of upscaling to thousands [32:36–34:06].

7. Financial Success and Icon Status

• Creator Codes:
  • At the peak, earned $1.5 million in a single month via Epic Games’ creator code system [35:24–35:37].
• Icon Skin:
  • First Fortnite pro to receive a skin with both male and female versions—the female modeled after his girlfriend [36:08–36:28].
• Money Management:
  • Credited parents for investing his earnings. "I made a million when I was 13 off of just, like, Fortnite." [42:03]
  • Largest purchase: 2025 Ferrari SF90 ($650,000+) [42:45–44:08].

8. Health, Fitness, and Stereotypes

• Discusses avoiding the unhealthy "gamer" stereotype; now maintains a healthier lifestyle (walking, working out, healthy eating) but admits he struggled with bad habits during his early grind [45:21–45:36].
• Lighthearted debate about whether building muscle affects mouse aim [46:53], with Clix admitting “that goes in my head” [47:10].
• Discusses sleep, routines, and the shift toward a sustainable lifestyle for peak gaming [45:56–47:30].

9. Women in Esports & Gender Dynamics

• Reveals that nearly all top competitive players use female character skins due to model size/hitbox advantages [36:27–37:17].
• Addresses the lack of women at the top tier of Fortnite and the existence of women-only competitions [37:47–38:47].
• Compares demands of pro gaming to F1 racing due to reflex/reaction time [38:47–39:11].

10. Training and Cognitive Tools

• Trains reaction speed and aim using tools like Where’s Waldo and Kovaaks aim trainer [39:24–40:25].

11. Cultural Impact and Future Vision

• Clix sees Fortnite as truly cultural:

  "If I could attach my name to the biggest game and be a top competitor and also streamer, that's beautiful." [28:40]

• Describes celebrity reach (playing with Madison Beer, Snoop Dogg) and his dream of a Fortnite squad with Drake [29:41–30:10].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Career Longevity:

  "I want to play when I'm, like, until I'm ass. So hopefully by 25." – Clix [13:26]

• On Dropping Out:

  "A lot of people look at me. Most stupidest kid ever. It was very stupid." – Clix [05:09]

• On Esports Intensity:

  "You ever rotate endgame, 30 moving alive, surge taking you. You need 100 damage or you're gone. And you have $100,000 on the line to win this game. No, you've never done that." – Clix [00:00, 49:02]

• On Philanthropy:

  "Success in my eyes... seeing other people so happy off of something that takes not that much effort out of me." – Clix [33:16]

• On Gaming Stereotypes:

  "I don't eat unhealthy at all. My homie cooks crazy good meals." – Clix [45:21]

• On the Tap Cap Business:

  "A collectible fidget toy that you could take off and you could slap on your keyboard as a keycap, but you could collect it." – Clix [19:42]

• On His Audience:

  "My streaming is like the age that it shows is 16 to like 35... but my YouTube clicksters, they're... 10 to 25." – Clix [25:45]

• On Watching Esports:

  "Tap into one tournament and it'll change your life." – Clix [48:38–48:55]

• On Gender in Competitive Fortnite:

  "There hasn't been a single female player that is competing at our level." – Clix [38:03]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:00] – Clix's origin story: first computer, early hustling
• [05:04] – Dropping out of school at 13
• [06:09] – Rise of his streaming fame & building a community
• [08:26] – Moving for Fortnite server changes, Dallas as esports capital
• [09:14] – Clix ranks himself among top 10 Fortnite players in NA
• [10:34] – Daily practice: 8–12 hours a day
• [13:26] – Handling aging in esports, and defining his prime
• [15:17] – The importance of mental and breathing coaches
• [19:30] – Tap Caps collectible business intro
• [25:00] – Growth plans for Tap Caps, retail expansion
• [32:36] – Plans for charity “Dreamin Access Fund” & Clicksmas event
• [35:24] – Creator code revenues: $1.5 million in a single month
• [36:28] – Fortnite skin: being the first with a female version based on his girlfriend
• [42:45] – Life as a young millionaire, parents helping with investments
• [45:21] – Stereotypes versus reality for pro gamers’ lifestyle
• [46:53] – Discussion about fitness, health, and how muscle might impact gameplay accuracy
• [47:10] – Clix openly sharing anxieties about changing his physicality
• [48:38] – Final message: "Tap into one tournament and it'll change your life."

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a never-boring, authentic deep dive into the business and culture of professional gaming. Clix dispels common esports myths, opens up on the grind and psychology of competition, showcases his entrepreneurial vision, and champions giving back—a must-hear for fans of gaming, sports, and the new digital economy.

If you haven’t watched a Fortnite tournament, as Clix says:

“Tap into one tournament and it'll change your life.” [48:38]

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For more, follow Clix on Twitch, check out Tap Caps, and look forward to future philanthropy efforts like Dreamin Access Fund.

Transcript

[A]

Like you ever rotate. Endgame 30, moving alive, surge taking you. You need 100 damage or you're gone. And you have $100,000 in the line to win this game. No, you've never done that.

[B]

What's up, guys? Mystic Zach here. Welcome Back to episode 23 of Double Coverage is today I'm joined by Sports But Esports. My main man clicks.

[A]

Great to meet you.

[B]

Gamer, live streamer, now entrepreneur.

[A]

Thank you for having me, dude.

[B]

Thank you. You're our first esports streamer. That's still sports.

[A]

That's right. I'm very athletic. They used to call me like the most athletic streamer other than Astro Speed. Did they? No, no, no, they didn't. I made that up.

[B]

Yeah. So you're not into any other sports? You're not.

[A]

Well, I'm a big basketball player. Like I play a lot of basketball. Like. All right. For real, I'm the best basketball Fortnite player.

[B]

The best basketball for. Okay, so you'd beat Peterbot and stuff.

[A]

Oh, would I? Would I? I robbed Peterbot.

[B]

It's not a very good standard. No, he's the best. What about you versus Lacey? If he had two knees.

[A]

Okay, so this isn't controversial, right? He six zeroed me the other day. But. But in a wheelchair. No, no, no. Before the acl like a month ago. But it was just all three pointers and it was his possession and he was just shooting. I was like, let him shoot.

[B]

He could shoot.

[A]

He could shoot.

[B]

So.

[A]

But before that I would smoke them.

[B]

All right. All right. So a low bar. But. But out of the Fortnite players, you're. You're up there.

[A]

You know, facsity is. He's another Fortnite streamer. Me and him versus Marlon and Lacy.

[B]

You as one.

[A]

$2,500 each.

[B]

Wow. All right. Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you, bro.

[B]

They should have had you at the fanatics games.

[A]

They actually. Bro, they invited me to go. Wait, isn't there something this Thursday?

[B]

It was this past weekend. Is there another thing this weekend?

[A]

I don't know. I got invited something. Yeah, I'd. Fortnite tournaments.

[B]

Yeah, you could have competed against Bieber and. Really? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, Bieber's good though.

[B]

Bieber's on fire.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we're here in Dallas tomorrow. You've got two events going on. It seems like a packed out schedule.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

You've got a tournament of some kind, right?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Explain that real quick.

[A]

So I'm my own tournament. It's like a game mode in Fortnite. It's called pro league endgame, it's 32 players. Last one alive wins. So we have eight pros and then 24 people that grinded to get to play against the pros. So that's tomorrow for $5,000 for Europe and North America.

[B]

Beautiful. And then later on in the day, make a wish, right?

[A]

Earlier on in the day.

[B]

Earlier on in the day, rather make

[A]

a wish with Good Good and topgolf. And we're doing it with Garrett Clark. You know who Garrett Clark is?

[B]

I do.

[A]

Top. Golf goat or golf goat?

[B]

Golf goat.

[A]

Golf entertaining.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Good goat.

[B]

I don't think you'll beat him.

[A]

Yep. Are you serious?

[B]

I think I got Garrett.

[A]

You want to lock money? I will lock money to I beat Gary. Have you seen my goal form?

[B]

I have not.

[A]

I posted on my story. It's. It's a. I don't have my phone on me. It's a good form.

[B]

All right, I'll show you my form.

[A]

Actually, I was golfing with Kai Trump and she taught me all the lessons and every single thing. I'm. I'm teched out.

[B]

That's a fire coach. Yeah. You can't do better than that. I'm teched out, so no, but I also. You've done a lot of charity work, a lot of philanthropy work. How important is it for you to give back?

[A]

Dude, that's like ever since I started When I was 13, I started eight years ago, success to me looked like, okay, win Fortnite tournaments, stream poll viewers, make money. But as I got older, now I'm 21, it's like, okay, I want to see other people succeed because purely of me giving them a chance, access to a career. So I give away computers. That's my thing. I give away gaming computers. Kids run out to me, yo give me clicks, give me a PC. And that's my favorite thing is literally to give away PCs. There's a professional player Fortnite right now purely because of the fact that he beat me in a 1v1 and I gave him like a jacked out game computer and now he competes against me every single day.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

So that's like the dream. That's what I want to do all the time.

[B]

I love it. So you just said you started at 13. How does someone start at 13 years old? Cuz it sounds in any other profession you can't start at 13.

[A]

That's.

[B]

How did you start at 13?

[A]

Did you watch the Fortnite World Cup a long time ago?

[B]

I did.

[A]

When Buga won.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so I'll Go all the way back when I was five years old, I was playing Call of Duty. I was sneaking in my brother's room every single day, trying to like Play. Cause I'm 5 years old and he would always play. And as time got on, I kept on playing. I played Minecraft, Counter Strike and Fortnite came out when I was, I think either 13 or 12, let's just say 12. And I was begging my dad for a computer. Cause I don't have one. My brother has one. I just play and he got me a computer. But he said, you have to pay me back this summer or you have to work for me for the whole year. And I said, alright, I'll pay you back. I paid him back in two weeks. It was like $1600. I don't know, it was 13 or $1600. Purely off of wagering people for money. It's not allowed now, but back then you could 1v1 for like 50 bucks if we want to be one. So I paid him back in two weeks. And then I think it was like six months later or eight months later. I qualified for the World cup the most out of anyone, which was I believe five times or six times around there. And I won 170 grand. Was the crazy experience. My life. Obviously buga won like 3 million.

[B]

But you're 13 at this point.

[A]

Yeah, I was 13 at this point. I dropped out of school. Dropped out of middle school.

[B]

Dude, you dropped out of school in middle school?

[A]

Yeah, a lot of people look at me. Most stupidest kid ever. It was very stupid.

[B]

Did you ever get like your degree or you still like doing like. Are you like homeschooled? How does that.

[A]

No, dude, that's. That's the craziest part. I dropped out when I was 13. I switched to online school, but you know, like online school. I didn't do anything. I just played Fortnite every single day. So my last year was eighth grade. And then I never touched school again. Never went to high school, just.

[B]

You have a middle school education?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Hell yeah, we're getting here.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Education wasn't my thing, to be honest. Like, I don't like the math stuff and the science and the history. I really just.

[B]

You only got to eighth grade. You didn't even get to the hard stuff.

[A]

Well, bro, multiplication you seriously?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Division. You got to division.

[B]

I was getting into algebra or something, bro.

[A]

I don't know any of that stuff, but I'm actually good at Math. All right, 12 stable. I could get you on that. There you go.

[B]

So dropped out of eighth grade. You made 170 grand at 13 years old. And then are the views like just multiplying as you're winning these tournaments?

[A]

Yeah, that's a good question. Ever since I qualed for the World cup that many times, I started playing with a duo at the same time called Skeptic. Do you remember the blue hair kid he killed? Yep. I was doing it with him and he was like very popular for killing tfue and stuff. And. And I. People say I carried him. So that's kind of how viewers started coming to my stream. And dude, it just started rampaging up. Literally. I think I started averaging 20,000 viewers concurrent on Twitch. And every single tournament just kept on getting bigger and bigger and bigger and I kept on winning more and more and more. None of like the. I didn't win World cup but the smaller tournaments, the FNCS weeks and this, that and third, I was winning and people just started watching me. And everyone used to think that I cheated by macroing. It's. It's really. It gets deep, the lower gets deep. But basically it means you could steal a wall faster. I'm trying to explain it.

[B]

No, no, no. That's good.

[A]

That was good. Okay. So everyone just started watching me. TFU and all them. That's how it really, it really took off.

[B]

What percent would you say you attribute towards your gaming skills? And what percent would you say you attribute towards your personality? In terms of getting views, which ones played a bigger role? Ooh.

[A]

So to get viewers in, it's the gameplay. Cause they wanna watch. You're the best Fortnite player in the world, they wanna watch that. But to keep em hanging is that's personality. To build a community that we have eight years later with the same people watching. Even new people, younger people, older people. That's the personality. And I feel like as I got older and as I. I used to be the biggest talker dude. There's clips of me saying crazy to ninja tfue myth. Like it was pretty bad. But that was my personality as a kid. I'm still toxic, but back then I was really toxic. And you got all those toxic kids that watched me and loved the personality and that's how I built the community.

[B]

So you're a local guy here in Dallas?

[A]

Yep. Had to move here when I was. Let's go back a second. Moved out of Connecticut. I was born in Connecticut. When I was 16 to New Jersey, we got a mansion with all my homies rented out with a bunch of Fortnite players. Best friends. And it was insane. Just like that. Fortnite announced that they are now switching the servers from east coast, where you have to live in east coast to Central, which is the hub is Dallas, Texas. So if you want to compete at that top level, you need to live in Dallas.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It's the most.

[B]

You're still competing at the top level eight years later.

[A]

Yep. We just won fncs. Me and Lacey and Lacy won the Pro Am week and a half ago.

[B]

What were the qualifications to get into, like, that Pro Am?

[A]

That Pro Am is a little bit different, but let's take the top four night championship, which is called FNCS.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That is out of probably 250,000 people trying to get in, only 50 teams make it. And we made.

[B]

It's not based on clout. It's based on.

[A]

No, nothing's clout. Nothing's based on cloud. In this game. It's purely about skill qualifiers. This, that, and the third. So there's like divisions that you need to get to the top division, then you need to get top 120 or something. 150. And then it keeps on going down until the 50 teams.

[B]

Where do your skills rank amongst the best Fortnite players?

[A]

Oh, I don't know, bro. In America. In America.

[B]

Yeah. Like, we're always arguing, like, who's the best basketball player in the world, who's the best? Who are the best quarterbacks? Like, like, I guess in America.

[A]

Okay. Right now I have like $850,000 earned in just the game. I would say. I would say we're top 10. We're top 10 in America. Europe's like a whole different. We only play once a year against each other at like lands, but for NA, I'd say top 10.

[B]

And has it gotten harder to be at that top 10 level as the years have gone on? As you've got more and more stuff, as you're getting more entrepreneurial?

[A]

It's hard. It is hard to compete against kids. For example, like Peter. It's always Clix versus Peter. He greets me when I'm doing good. It's like, it's terrible.

[B]

Peter.

[A]

I'm using Peter as an example. Cause he's one of the best gamers in the world.

[B]

But he looks like he kind of just only plays the game.

[A]

What are you trying to say right now?

[B]

He kind of looks like he's like. He's kind of more like stereotypical, like what we picture like drinking Red Bull in the basement, just like grinding the game out.

[A]

So he. Yeah, he is a gamer out.

[B]

Like if I just look at you two, I would, I would, I would pick him. He just looks like he only.

[A]

Yes. No, he does only play Fortnite. Like he wakes up, plays fortnite.

[B]

I look like you go outside more.

[A]

Thank you, bro. Oh, I still play minimum eight hours a day no matter what. But he's. Yeah, he's up there. He's really up there.

[B]

Yeah. So how many hours is he playing? Like 16.

[A]

Well, right now he's on his like kind of like, it's weird. Right now he's probably playing 15 hours. I don't know, maybe. Thing is, I don't know his schedule. Like sometimes he's like lazy as only plays like six hours and sometimes he's like 15. That's crazy. But our mate, our major, our major is in two weeks, so I think he's getting ready.

[B]

Oh my God, that's crazy. 15 hours of gaming.

[A]

I mean, dude, that's how it is over here too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm playing minimum right now, at least 12 hours a day.

[B]

How do you like. So there's like different buckets in which you contribute your time to. There's health, there's wealth, there's family, there friends. How do you balance that playing that much fortnite?

[A]

Dude, it's hard. It's hard. I have a girlfriend too, of two years. She's. She's beautiful, she's amazing. But we're long distance, so that helps that part especially.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's like we're seeing each other once every two weeks and that, that time is I'm not streaming, not playing the game. It's like it's our time, right. And the second she goes home in Arkansas, I'm locked in dials and I don't need to focus on anything. I just focus on the craft. And she's in law school, so she's just as busy, which is helpful. But family stuff is hard because they live in Connecticut.

[B]

What a funny couple. The eighth grade dropout and the lawyer.

[A]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. No, she is. Dude, she is a genius, bro. But that's why it works.

[B]

You know, you have to have opposites attract. Right?

[A]

I mean, I'm not, I'm not smart when it comes to school is smart, but the industry, like, I feel like I have good knowledge. Of course, all the industry, but she, dude, she's the smartest person in the world when it comes to anything, school, anything. Like Life, dude, she's a genius.

[B]

Wow. I like that pairing. Yeah. I have a friend like that whose fiance is a lawyer. What's up, guys?

[A]

Ms.

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[A]

So there's not been more than five people that have played at a top level of Fortnite for this long for eight years. Most players, they have their two to four years in there. They fought, they fall down. So, like, for me, for example, I want to change that. Like, I'm 21, and I'm still competing at the top level where I was when I was 13, 14, 15, so on and so forth. They say 18 to 20. Like, that's kind of your prime. But I'm 21 and I'm in my. I think people watch me. I'm in my prime right now. Like, I'm the best I've ever been, purely, I think, because of my confidence that I have right now. But I'm gonna change that. Like, I want to play when I'm, like, until I'm ass. So hopefully by 25.

[B]

So are you one of the, like, older players in these?

[A]

Nah.

[B]

FNCs and.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Like Peter. Peter's, I think 19. I'm, like, two years older than him. And all the other top pros, they're like, around 19 some. Yeah, I'm a little older.

[B]

So the prime, they say is 18 to 20.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's no other sport like that.

[A]

There isn't. And, dude, fortnight in, like, competitive video games, a lot of people joke on it. But no, like, it is a top thing. Like, I would compare that to sports. Like, I really. I really would. I know it's not. You're smiling, bro. I know you are.

[B]

No, no, I. I brought it up as a sport. Yeah.

[A]

No, it really is reaction.

[B]

I'm a gamer, so it's not physical.

[A]

Right. But mentally, like, dude, no one's in a people to look at me and smile until they watch a Fortnite end game where you have to do a million decisions at once. Like, it's. It's fun to watch, bro. Like, I really recommend you watching one of these tournaments, dude. It's. It's a lot of fun. It's really hard.

[B]

You know, I've kept up in the scene. Obviously, I played way more. I mean, I think a lot of my age. When. 2017. 2018.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Haven't, like, kept up last couple of years, but yeah, still aware of the landscape.

[A]

I mean, the games that it takes.

[B]

I was a gamer. I was, like, doing competitive games, trying to hustle. So same thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just different games.

[A]

The amount of practice. Like, we have a coach, which people are gonna laugh at. Like, we literally have a Fortnite coach

[B]

that you have a coach.

[A]

I have a mental coach, breathing coach, and Fortnite coach.

[B]

How does someone coach you in Fortnite?

[A]

Because they see stuff that I don't see. Like, I think about this real quick. I'm in the game. I'm thinking about what's in front of my face. My coach, he's looking at the map, planting out literally a million possible zones that could happen. Thinking about what best rotate of all the teams landing around us, of what timing they're on and telling us. I think you should do this. No, no, you have to go now. Like, just helping on the stuff that we are not doing, if that makes sense. And then we have a mental coach who's much more than mental. He's like breathing every single thing. His name is Poppies. He's a great dude. He's like 40. And his pure thing is helping. Like, helping us mentally. It's.

[B]

Dude, he only works with gamers.

[A]

Only the top of the top gamers. Like, and he's won multiple. He's helped people win. Every single global championship is literally because of him. Because the amount of time you're in endgame.

[B]

So are you, like, bringing him to the tournament?

[A]

Yeah, he's there.

[B]

Yep. Is he allowed to, like, assist you while you're playing or it's like.

[A]

Like halftime. Like, he notices, like, yo, like, you're not right. Like, I'll just go run a mile. And the second I'm back, like, I feel insane. Like, literally, like, he just notices stuff about a person that, like, I don't notice about myself. It's like, we were grand finals. We got second place in fncs. There was one game where, like, I just wasn't. I wasn't playing right. And he watched the vod back and he noticed I was breathing completely incorrect. Like, breathing wrong in certain, like, circumstances. So I started breathing right, and I was great. And I. Then we did really good.

[B]

When did you. Did you always have a Fortnite coach?

[A]

Yeah, past seven years and.

[B]

But the breathing coach has to be new.

[A]

No, seven. Yeah.

[B]

You've had a breath. He's been your breathing. Because you were 14.

[A]

15. 15, 16. Yeah.

[B]

Were you the first person to do this?

[A]

Yeah, I actually do think I. Because everyone knows about him now, but he was with me OG days, dude. Yeah, but it's a lot of people in the laugh, bro. But once you understand how real it is, dude, and how actually difficult it is. It's. It's so advanced, bro. It really is.

[B]

I was in training camps with Jake Paul, boxing. It's totally different, but he has. He is a breathing coach.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Same this guy, Lucas Mack. That's all they do is the mental work, the breath work. He visualizes everything.

[A]

Because a lot of people, they watch, but they don't actually understand what goes into it. Of how to get to that point of.

[B]

Yeah, but I'm gonna be honest. I did not think of that for Fortnite.

[A]

And I want to make it more mainstream. I want people to know. It's like, you know, this is not like, you hop on. Oh, we play video games for a living. Like, no, dude, like, you are playing the top of the top of the number one game in the world. Obviously, people are. That's gonna be controversial. But, like, Fortnite's. Everyone knows Fortnite. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's. It's fun, dude. It's so much fun.

[B]

Do you have to be careful in the real world to, like, avoid an injury?

[A]

No, I play basketball.

[B]

Okay, but what happens if you sprain your finger?

[A]

I don't go for rebounds against someone who's six, five.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, I play my. Like, when I run. I ran back to back marathons. Like, I want to be athletic, but if I'm going to break my finger, then God willing, it's going to happen regardless of if I am doing playing

[B]

basketball in your head while you're playing basketball. I'm just thinking about like no, it shouldn't be, bro.

[A]

Imagine I'm playing basketball doing a match. I spray my finger right now. It's going to happen.

[B]

You have the coach and you have the like a lot of invested in your skills. I'd be night pro.

[A]

I'd be done.

[B]

Yeah. Also I didn't realize how high of a level you were still playing at this point. I figured you had transitioned from just timing wise that you would have had to have gone to more of a just like live streaming route. But yeah, you're still killing it in the program. That's no eight years in.

[A]

I'm addicted, bro. I'm so passionate when it comes to Fortnite gaming. Like all this bro, it's. It's so much fun and the game's killing it, bro. We're during tournaments, we have like 20 to 30,000 like concurrent viewers and like the mini tournaments in grand finals there's over like a hundred thousand people just watching my point of view of all like the clicksters in the community, like it's, it's massive, bro. It really is massive. You don't know what else is massive.

[B]

What else?

[A]

I can't, I can't do it, bro.

[B]

But you're also kind of taking a, for lack of a better term, Mr. Beast approach and you're expanding upon not just the gaming but you're trying to do a lot of different things. Talk to me about this product right here. Tap cap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You and Lacy, another massive live streamer launched this product. We saw the advertisements. It was a big time launch. We've had a lot of sales. Right. Talking about why you made this product and kind of what the reaction's been.

[A]

So let's go way back. Do you know how Lacy started?

[B]

I think he was donating to your streams.

[A]

Okay, you're tapped in, bro.

[B]

Yeah, dude.

[A]

He was a clicks hater. He would donate to my streams over $1,000 and hating on me saying the most wild ever. Next thing you know, I believed in him. I moved him to Dallas and he started taking off. Obviously like bro, it was insane. Like you'll see these clips. He had the craziest glow up but he wanted to do irl. So I was thinking, I was like, how could we do something together? Because that's my best friend. I love Lacy. How could we do something together that involves gaming but also IRL streaming aspect where it's like his community will like my community will like so we thought of tap caps. So we thought of tap caps. A collectible. A collectible fidget toy that you could take off and you could slap on your keyboard as a keycap, but you could collect it. Like, for example, this is anti slime. There's a tap cap that. There's over 12 tap caps over more than sold for $1,000 just off the rarity. And it costs 12 bucks. We're sold out. So that's probably why. But here, rip one open. You'll see. Yeah, you'll see. That thing you'll pull off.

[B]

Was there any other products, like Influencer products that inspired you to. That's actually pretty easy. I'm pretty bad at it.

[A]

Yeah, it is easy.

[B]

So reminds me a bit. I'm not trying to draw, but you guys are obviously gamers, so that's kind of your field. Like when Logan and KSI did their prime, right? That they're athletes, they want a hydration drink. This seems like a similar.

[A]

But nobody has done something like this before, so.

[B]

No, I would have never thought of this in a million years.

[A]

You. You didn't get a good one. You got a core one, but you got glow. You got globe bones. But if people get a rare one out to Dallas.

[B]

You can't get me a rare one.

[A]

I don't reggae, bro. I can't just get whatever is in this. I do not know. But if you got a rare one, you wouldn't do what you're doing right now.

[B]

Oh, I. You like.

[A]

So you save it if you lose value if you open.

[B]

So it's like a. Like a playing card almost like, basically.

[A]

Yes, basically.

[B]

So there's 12 that have sold for over $1,000. Are those like more than ones?

[A]

No, bro. Every one in every like a hundred.

[B]

Cool, though.

[A]

Yeah. And here, tap it while I break mine open, dude. Yes. Happening next to Mike. Like, really tap. Like tap off. No, like, let me see.

[B]

You're the tapper. So this is like a fidget toy.

[A]

Like, bro, it is for adhd. It's addicting. Like, and we wish we had a keyboard.

[B]

I have adhd, so.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna get you another one. Then you pull this off and put this to the side. You pull off your key cap on your keyboard and then they boom. You can put a photo up. It looks really sick.

[B]

Do you have that on your keyboard?

[A]

Yep, yep. And we have a lot of jobs with a lot of like. I wish I could say on this, but dude, so many sick brands and games and people. It's me so Sick. Alright, let's see what I get. Three, two, one. I get.

[B]

You got a blue.

[A]

Oh, it's a rare one. This is a rare one. Not. Not that ultra rare. But this is ghost. So this is one of my favorite. This is one of our favorite ones.

[B]

So if you open up 100 of these, how many ghosts do you think you're gonna get?

[A]

Probably five. Okay, well, if you. Well, if you open 100, you're probably not gonna get the rare one. Like, I have never authentically open the rare one, if that makes sense. Like, I've just. I asked, I made sure to get a rare one, but I never actually opened one, but a lot of people have and it's crazy, dude. But yeah, this was my favorite.

[B]

I do as. Have you guys dropped like, one of ones?

[A]

No, no, we dropped. Yeah, no.

[B]

Would you do that? Like a golden ticket one of one?

[A]

I don't know, bro. Every drop that gratefully, dude, Every single drop that we dropped. Sold out super quick, dude. And we actually made ourselves an XL one where it looks like a bear brick. Like it's. It's big. But that's for like Lacy and I and like people that are just like friends and everyone's like, yo, you need to drop it, cuz. It's sick, dude. It's really sick. But here, I'll give this one to you. You give it to whoever, bro. It's really sick, bro. You put on your keyboard.

[B]

No, I'm definitely gonna tap.

[A]

You have a keyboard.

[B]

It might be better for someone who's a gamer.

[A]

Not. No, no, that's. That's the beautiful thing, though. It's not purely for gamers. Like, I tap. I tap Lacey off all the time with that. Why are you laughing, bro?

[B]

You tap him off all the time?

[A]

Yeah, like you're tapping off like right now you're tapping on.

[B]

Tapping myself off.

[A]

Yes, exactly. If you want me to help you, I could.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm trying. Yeah.

[A]

All right, my bad.

[B]

Were there any products like growing up that inspired you? Because I remember for me, I'm a little older than you. We had kooky pens. We had silly bands. We had. I'm 24.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

More. Three years older than you. Yeah, but I'm. Oh too. So kooky pens were like a big deal. Door cookie pens.

[A]

I remember the click them in and it was.

[B]

It was like analogous to this, honestly. We'd collect different ones. They had rare ones, they had like drip or whatever. If you had a rare one, you'd like sell it on the schoolyard. Yeah, those were cool. And, and then Silly Bands, of course.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like Rainbow Loom.

[A]

I know Silver. No, I know Silly Bands. That was addicting. I used to do that. But it's basically very similar. I don't know if Silly Bands had a rarity but.

[B]

But they didn't have the use case like this where you could exactly put it on your key, you know, I mean this is a two in one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or the pat. I mean the pen you wrote with, but it wasn't like, you know.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

So when did you first get the idea for this product?

[A]

Dude? Two and a half years ago.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah, a long time ago. Before this. We launched less than a year ago, eight months ago, seven months ago. But yeah, we, we've been building like building the team, building the structure for it. It's like all the money that we're making, it just goes right back into the company for future drops and we have a lot of cooking, dude. We're going to be. Yeah, I'll say we're going to be in stores soon, very soon. Which is the dream and the goal, bro, of like, you go to like local, this, that and the third and you can just cop yourself tap gaps.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's gonna be super exciting.

[B]

What stores you targeting?

[A]

I. You. I don't know. Nothing's locked in yet. Well, there is locked in, but all the main stores. I'm excited.

[B]

Okay. That would be awesome.

[A]

Who.

[B]

What's the typical age? A clicks fan. I wanted to get, I wanted to hear it from you.

[A]

Okay. So during the meet and greets that I have, you'll probably see there's. Dude, there's. It's variety, honestly. Used to be, I'll be honest, used to be like majority, just kids. But my YouTube fan base in the YouTube clicksters, they're. They're younger because I cut out every cuss word and so on and so forth. So that's like I would say 10 to 25 ish. But my streaming is like the age that it shows is 16 to like 35, which is like obviously better than YouTube. But it's like nothing's better. It's just a different type of audience. Like twitch. Like I say whatever I want.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like there's no, there's no hold back. You know, it's like it's toxic, bro. For now. Gets toxic. So it's more of an older audience and a lot of the community, they've, they've grown with me. Like as I age they also age. Like when I was 13 playing World Cup. They were also 14 or 13 and now we're 21 and they're in college. We're all, they're working, they're doing whatever and they're still watching and coming in. So that's, that's the beautiful thing about Twitch streaming.

[B]

Okay. Gen Z, Gen Alpha.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

This is whatever that means.

[B]

Yeah, like the, you know, Alpha, Gen Alpha. Yeah, that's like the newer1, the 10 year olds.

[A]

Oh, that's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Beautiful.

[B]

You gotta learn this terminology.

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

You gotta use it one day.

[A]

I did not know that.

[B]

Yeah. So the 10 year olds are gen Alpha, but no, like consumer habits. You gotta study all this. Right. Like if you're a major store and you want to have a product that Gen Z, Gen Alpha is going to consume and actually buy, I mean, this is definitely one of them.

[A]

Thank you, bro. Thank you. Yeah, I think you know Mike.

[B]

Which Mike?

[A]

Logan? Paul's Mike.

[B]

Oh yeah, yeah, Big Mike.

[A]

He invested.

[B]

Okay. I've known Mike since I was 16 years old, dude.

[A]

I like him a lot, bro, but he loves tap cabs. He's an investor. We have a lot of other goats that are investors.

[B]

All right, maybe I can do an opening with Mike. I just saw him at Fanatics.

[A]

Yeah, you should troll him and just if you just pull up, hella be like, yo, he's. Dude, he's. I love, I love Mike.

[B]

All right. I love it. He's the oldest clicks fan there is then.

[A]

Well, I don't think he necessarily is a clicks fan. I think he's more of a lacy fan, but. But sure.

[B]

He only is.

[A]

There's some old. Bro, there's old clicks fans.

[B]

I'll tell you that. As I like people ask me what I have coming up and I explained that I'm interviewing you and like the reactions, like the older people are like if they have a son or daughter, you know, I mean, they're like, oh, wow. But if they don't. But then the younger people, it's like the same reaction the older people gave me when I said I was gonna interview Mike Tyson.

[A]

Really?

[B]

The younger people are like, oh my God, you're interviewing clicks. Like what?

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, it's like a crazy reaction like, like you're to the point where it's like in it unattainable to be in the same room as you. Like that's kind of reaction I got. Yeah, it was a crazy, crazy. More than any other guests we've had, like from the. The younger people. So I really wanted to Ask you from the horse's mouth.

[A]

Yeah. Sick, dude. Yeah. Majority. I would say majority. It's like, yeah, Gen G. Yeah, but I think.

[B]

But you want the youth on your side, obviously. Yeah, that's a superpower.

[A]

I mean, the beautiful thing is, is why I never. What you said, like, I never switched to doing full time irl and I only did it a little bit was purely because of the fact that everyone has played Fortnite. Everyone has known Fortnite in their life. Like, you played Fortnite.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Your mother played Fortnite. Your mother knows about Fortnite. Your dad knows about Fortnite. Everyone knows about Fortnite or seen it. So if I could attach my name to not only the biggest name or the biggest game and be a top competitor and also streamer, it's like, that's. That's beautiful. And that's what I want to do. And that's what I'm going to stick with. Like, I'm going to be with Fortnite until. Until the game is dead. Because, dude, I love the game. I'm authentically passionate about it and everyone has always played it. So it's like, for example, Madison Beer wanted to play Fortnite. What's the first thing she does? We play with me, me, Ron, you know, Ron the homie Ron. It was me, Ron and Madison Beer. And, dude, we're just playing trios. So it's like any. A list celebrity that's coming to Fortnite. Like, I did something with Snoop Dogg, dude. It's just like, that's so beautiful because everyone knows about it and it's like, it's a top game.

[B]

To me, what exploded the game into the mainstream was when Ninja played with Drake, Travis Scott, Juju, Right? If you had a dream squads match, three people to play with any three people, probably celebrities, who would it be?

[A]

Oh, my God, bro, I love Drake. Like, dude, I made Drake. I'm not gonna lie. Like, yo, his music. I feel some of my bones, bro. Like, I love it. Drake. Drake and Drake. I'm not gonna.

[B]

Just Drake, Drizzy, Aubrey, Graham.

[A]

Yes. Yes, yes. No, literally, I'm not even. Yeah, I don't think there's a. Yeah, no, just Drake.

[B]

Just Drake.

[A]

Just Drake.

[B]

It's a good list. Yeah. Drake, if you're watching this, yo, no,

[A]

you can't look at your DMs. Do not look at your DMs, bro.

[B]

They're bad. Has he ever responded? No, no. He's pretty tapped in. He definitely saw it and chose not to.

[A]

No. You think he knows me?

[B]

I think I.

[A]

You're crazy.

[B]

I'm actually 99.9% sure he would know you. Yeah, no, I think he's more tapped in than you can imagine.

[A]

I know, bro. I know. I wish I saw him.

[B]

How else would he innovate so much? He's definitely paying attention.

[A]

I know he's watched like, he watches streamers a lot.

[B]

Dude, what else are you doing day to day other than grinding fortnight when your girlfriend comes in every other week? You're spending a lot of time with her.

[A]

We're trying to. You're running used to my legs a little fucked right now. Oh, all right. Got a torn meniscus.

[B]

So you're working with your breathwork coach, your mental coach, right? That takes. What else is on the agenda?

[A]

We're building a lot, bro. We're building a lot when it comes to. I have multiple companies. We have Dreamin, which is my clothing brand that we're extending to a Dreamin access fund.

[B]

Are you rocking Dreamin right now?

[A]

No, this is Eric Crombie, but I usually rock Dreamin. I'm not gonna lie. I just. I didn't know if I could self promo my.

[B]

No, no, we encourage it.

[A]

Oh, okay. I was like, tap caps, triple down.

[B]

That's like, let's show a picture of dreaming on screen. So what makes your merch different?

[A]

It's just like I wanted to wear what I like and I couldn't find something that I could wear every single day. And like. So I was like, I'm gonna make my own. I'm just making my own stuff that I like. Comfy and I could just be chill with it. So that was our main thing. And we haven't dropped in like low key six months. We dropped mouse pads. We're like trying new stuff. The mouse pad sold out it really well. But now we're going in this route of a thing called Dreamit Access Fund where every single Christmas I do a thing called clicksmas and we give away a lot of money. Last year, I think it was like 250 grand total with every single thing. Brands helping computers, helping college tuition, Amazon, Wishlist, all this stuff. And we give away 30 computers to kids. And I want that 30 number to be 300 to 3,000, but computers are expensive. So we're doing this thing called Dream and Access Fund where it's like, if you want to donate to the fund, you could. But we're targeting people that could donate to the fund and help fund and make it even bigger. Than it is and help kids that can't afford a gaming computer for school or for gaming especially. It's like, help them get them a setup, get them to actually try to compete. Because Fortnite in esports, in video games, and streaming is much bigger, especially after what Kai did, than it was ever, bro. And a lot of kids want to tap in, but their parents don't understand the value.

[B]

I'll make a donation on behalf of double coverage.

[A]

Thank you, bro. You're the homie for that. But every single. All, like, money that we're gonna make from it or all money that people want to donate from it, we're gonna use straight into making computers helping people. Amazon wishes.

[B]

What's the average computer?

[A]

The price that I get? Yeah, a good, good one you could probably get for 2000 with the price that I could get. But normally, like, probably like 3,000. It's a. It's a lot, dude. So I personally funded 30 last year, which was like 90 grand. Which, bro, I'm not gonna lie. Like, it's a lot of money. But seeing the reaction of winning, dude, seeing these kids reactions, winning a computer, like, I've done millions. I've done a lot of videos. It is so priceless, and it makes it all worth it. And I want to make that more big. Like, that's success in my eyes, obviously, winning Fortnite tournaments. But seeing other people so happy off of something that takes not that much effort out of me. Now that I had money and now that I could afford stuff like that as a kid, like, I couldn't, and I had to beg my dad. There's kids out there that who are doing the same exact thing that I could help make a career. For example, that professional kid that I told you about, his name is Josh Riley. He's made probably almost 100 grand just off of me giving him a $2,000 PC.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You see what I'm saying?

[B]

How old is he?

[A]

He's 17.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But that's one out of 50 kids that I. That I gave a computer to. Now imagine I give away a thousand. Take that math. Think of how many kids that aren't succeeding purely because of the fact that their parents don't believe in him and they can't afford a computer. So that's what the fun's about. And that's the goal.

[B]

It's an inaccessible sport relative to other ones. Because, like, if you want to play soccer, obviously, you know what I mean? You can buy soccer ball for a couple bucks. Basketball, but, like, this, you need A three. You need to. To compete?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. At the top level. Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So I just, I just passionately went into it.

[B]

That's golf or tennis though, you know what I mean? Like those sports like clubs and rackets and stuff. That gets pricey.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you have price. This is a pricey sport.

[A]

Yeah, it really is. But that's my goal now is like I already do this thing every clicksmas but what if I could do it every single month and have a team on it for the dream and access fund side? So we're almost getting ready for that part, so that's really exciting. And then we have Clix Creative which is an in game developing studio for Fortnite and we want to get into more games that develops maps and creates maps. So I have my 1v1 map that millions people play and then I pro league end game which is the game mode that I told you about that we have a tournament coming soon that a lot of people play as well.

[B]

So there's a lot of like nuances to Fortnite. You have the right. The same Roblox. So you just said the math right. People can play. You also have the creative codes, right, where people use like your code.

[A]

Oh, that is my bread and butter, dude. I create so many commercials for creator codes.

[B]

At your peak, what was your best month in terms of people using your code and how much did that net you?

[A]

Oh man. Say 1.5.

[B]

$1.5 million from kids purchasing things in the item shop and using your code.

[A]

Yeah, that month was my icon month. It was crazy, bro. That was insane. That was gratefully blessed by Fortnite for giving me a skin but amount of people that supported me, I'm even more like blessed by that. So that was crazy.

[B]

So your skin did big numbers. Do they report, do they report that to you? Like how well it did relative to.

[A]

Nah. But like the apps, they said my icon skin did the best of anyone's. Like on the Fortnite tracker app. I don't know how accurate is, but if you go in game there's a

[B]

lot of click skins that make you. If you ran load up and see a click.

[A]

No, the fact that I'm even in the game is even more like breathtaking and life changing. But the fact that I could load in and see other people using it, it's a bro. It's so crazy.

[B]

You use yourself.

[A]

Yeah, you.

[B]

So you play.

[A]

I touch myself.

[B]

You touch yourself. Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You're guy. You're playing with yourself all the time.

[A]

And I have A girl version too.

[B]

You have a girl version.

[A]

That's right. You don't. I'm the first icon to make a female version of my skin because competitive players, they don't use male skins because the Hitbox. The Hitbox is same, but the character model is bigger than the female. I copy and pasted my girlfriend and I put her in the game.

[B]

Oh, it's your girlfriend.

[A]

But it's clicks. It's called sparks.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

If you want to watch the video.

[B]

Yeah, no, I gotta watch this. So only. So competitive players only use female players.

[A]

That's 90. 99% of them. Yeah, there's that 1% wear males, but.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, I didn't. I had no idea.

[A]

Well, think about it. You want to be the smallest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Girls are the females.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. That's crazy, though. That's good information. So. And I would have never thought that in a mill. I guess I'm not tapped in enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

99% of players are playing with female skins.

[A]

Yeah. Dude, it's. Bro. I want to get, like, everyone watching. Like, they probably don't know.

[B]

Ahead of my time. When I was like, so fortnight 2017, that was nine years ago. I was 15 and my dad walked into my room. I was playing the female skin. He's like, zach, what the hell are you doing playing as a girl? Really? And I'm like, I don't know it. Like, I didn't have any rhyme or reason. I was like, it just kind of looks cool. He's like, dude, you probably thought I was like, yeah, no. Or like, you know, I'm hiding something. Are there any top competitive players who are. Who are women?

[A]

There's different divisions. No, there's not a single female player that is competing at the. At our level, I guess, of like, the top. Of the top tournaments. But there is a female division where it's only females and they compete and they win a lot of money because it's. They're all in their own. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

So male and female separate in esports as well. Not just.

[A]

Yeah, well, they could play our tournaments. Yeah, but it's. It's much harder. So they have their own division and it's called, like, milk Up, I think. But it's, like, different. Yeah, but. Yeah, no, they're good. They're good, though. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I. I've got really. By a couple female pros.

[B]

I was wondering the difference in esports compared to, like. Because obviously we see all this stuff with basketball, football. There's physical limitations, but. So I guess there's still a little bit of physical limitations in game.

[A]

I honestly don't know how. Like, I. Yeah, I don't know how. But yeah. Yes, there is. Because there hasn't been a single, like,

[B]

reaction speed, maybe, or it might be

[A]

reaction speed because, I mean, reaction is literally 90% of the game, how fast you react to it.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

So it could be that. It could be. But now there's not a single female pro.

[B]

Yeah. What sport would you say would you liken it to? Is it maybe like F1 or so? Like, there's this for what the skills required to be the best Fortnite player.

[A]

I would compare it. I think F1. Yeah. Because I mean, dude, like, your reaction time is everything in the game. If you get lurked on, meaning someone sneaking on you, bro, you have to react off of the first shot. You don't react to that first shot in that millisecond, you're. You're gone.

[B]

Is there any.

[A]

Just lost a hundred thousand dollars.

[B]

Is there anything you're doing to like, work on the attributes that you need to be a top level player other than playing the game?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, other exercises you're doing to, like, increase your reaction speed and stuff like that?

[A]

Yeah. Well, I watch film. There was. I had an issue where I would miss a certain thing after killing someone. Like, I would miss like, Brick. I would miss a certain. On Matt's. So the person that I tell you about, his name's Poppy. Mental coach, Everything coach other than Fortnite. He made me do a thing called Where's Walda? You know, Where's Waldo?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was doing that for no joke. I did that a lot. Finding Walda was the most exhausting thing ever. But now it seriously has helped because you're training your eyes to find that one thing. The second I kill someone, I'm getting all their loot in a millisecond and I'm not missing a single thing. Obviously you have your hiccups where like, oh, my, how did I just miss that? But, dude, it got bad. So I do. I do train that. I train my aim as much as I possibly can. I train my mechanics.

[B]

So how do you train your aim mechanics outside of just playing the game?

[A]

Kovaaks. You know what Kova's is?

[B]

Explain that for the audience.

[A]

So Kovaaks is an app where it basically is a game, but it's purely for aim. So it's like little red dots and there's different courses that you're tracking your Your mouse speed and your. You have to hit the red little dots.

[B]

Really?

[A]

It's kind of confusing if you don't. If you're not a gamer. But it's basically AIM training map.

[B]

Who's on your Fortnite, Mount Rushmore?

[A]

Great question, dude. Are we talking about the game in general?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Game in general.

[A]

Besides, I would say. Oh, man. Ninja. Hundred million percent TFU. A hundred percent buga. 100%. And then fourth is whatever the people comment below.

[B]

So those. Those three are cement.

[A]

Those three in my head. 100 million percent ninja TFU. Bugha. Because those are names where your mom knows, you know that Bugha won the biggest tournament with millions, 100 millions of people watching.

[B]

And then fourth is what made that tournament so special.

[A]

It was the first one with that big of a prize pool, I think, and that anybody could play in. That's not limited to just a certain club or something. Like, you could play if you wanted, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's what was beautiful about it. And I won. I won five in a row, dude. Like, it was not in a row, but five out of the 10 weeks. It was crazy. Like, I was off of something, bro. But everyone was.

[B]

What was the winnings for each one of those?

[A]

Well, if you. If you qual once, you make 50,000 bucks, but you can only call once. So I called once in duos and solos. I won 100k, and then you get additional 10, 20k for first.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I made a million when I was 13 off of just, like, Fortnite.

[B]

Your parents helping you with that?

[A]

Oh, yeah, bro. Dude, I wouldn't be broke if they weren't helping me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I didn't spend any of my money.

[B]

So it was all sitting there in, like, an account and they were investing it for you and stuff like that?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, I didn't do anything. I bought my first car when I was 16. That was my first big purchase. But other than that, it's been all. I just invested, which is. That's the beautiful thing is about, like, making a lot of money when I was young is I couldn't really just go out and buy stuff. And I didn't understand the value of money because, fortunately, I've never worked a job where it's like, I don't understand the value of money. So if I see this much money in accounts, like, I'm not gonna buy. I'm gonna. All right, I'll just upgrade my monitor and buy a $300 monitor. You know what? I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah. What's been your biggest purchase, though, now that you're 21?

[A]

Oh, okay. I just bought a brand new 2025 SF90 Ferrari. And that was. That was 650 or something. That was crazy. That was like. I did it because I like to do a thing where I think a lot of other people also do is like, you buy something really dumb that costs a lot of money purely for the fact of, like, sounds so messed up, but you get what I'm saying? Like.

[B]

Yeah, no, I just.

[A]

The facts. Like, all right, I gotta. I gotta grind. It's like a refreshing where you get motivated because of it, but you're using that motivation. Like, dude, I just bought. I just bought a Ferrari. Holy. Let's grind harder. Let's keep on going. Let's keep on doing it. Let's keep on building, you know?

[B]

So that's kind of same ideologies as buying a sick house. Because, you know, you wake up and you see the house, you're like, I got to work to maintain.

[A]

Exactly, Exactly, Exactly. So that was the main thing behind that is like, should I bought that better stuff to put my money into? For sure.

[B]

Have you wrapped it or anything?

[A]

No. It has, like, a $40,000 paint job. It's like satin.

[B]

No. Gray clicks wrap? No. Dreaming wrap? No.

[A]

Dude, bro. What?

[B]

There's some guys who would do that.

[A]

No, that's corny. I like it still.

[B]

Have you seen Lil Uzi's car? The anime wrap?

[A]

That's corny, bro.

[B]

It's pretty cool.

[A]

It's cool, but it's just, like, so out there, like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

You wouldn't do that. So you're keeping it stock with the $40,000 paint job?

[A]

With the wrap? Yeah, yeah. I'm getting it to it and stuff, but yeah.

[B]

How often do you drive an SF90?

[A]

Whenever I want to, dude.

[B]

Really? That's like your daily. Did you pull up to here in the SF90? Okay.

[A]

I have a turbo S as well. I pull up in the turbo, and then I have a range, which is my favorite, so they're really cool, bro. I'm not gonna lie. I hate talking about cars, but. But a lot of sick cars. But I have.

[B]

I have three cars as well, so we're okay. We're same boat.

[A]

Which ones?

[B]

I have a Urus Tough. I have a Bentley, and then I have a range.

[A]

Oh, what range?

[B]

I don't drive a 25.

[A]

I love range Rover, bro. I drive every day.

[B]

You drive every day?

[A]

The only time I see sunlight Is getting breakfast. So I go, I get breakfast every single day.

[B]

The only time you see sunlight is getting breakfast.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

You're not exercising?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I work out and I walk.

[B]

But you, you have like a home gym.

[A]

Yeah, well, or I go to a gym. But mainly I get breakfast and I go walk. I get breakfast on this like lake and where you get sun. And then I walk for like 2 to 4 and then I get on 2 to 4 miles. Then I get on whenever I want.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I usually get on at 2 and get off at 2.

[B]

As you look like you outside. You're not like a. You're not what we picture really well. I was talking to like older. They were like, well, how does this kid look? What is he doing? Eating Doritos, drinking monster oranges. That's why everyone pictures.

[A]

I don't eat unhealthy at all. Yeah, my sick.

[B]

Your skin's clear.

[A]

You don't look greasy. I send that all day, bro. I don't eat anything bad. Like my homie cooks crazy good meals.

[B]

Like, have you adapted to that? Like, was it hard in the beginning? Dudes, if you're sitting down, photo of

[A]

old fat clicks right here. Dude, it was. Yes, I had a wake up call for sure. I just do Doritos grilled cheese every day. Like no joke, 18 hours a day. Go to bed at 6 in the morning, wake up at 5pm Like I had that moment. Like that was the come up. But now there's a better come up and that's having a healthier schedule. But I, I need to wake up late. Like this is super early for me because our tournaments start at 6 so your reaction time in your brain, they need to be the best.

[B]

At 6pm I was surprised how early this was booked. I thought as a gamer, what I

[A]

thought you, you wanted this time.

[B]

No, I prefer later. Oh, I like to wake up at this time.

[A]

Dude, I like to wake up at noon.

[B]

Yeah, I'm like in 11.

[A]

I don't wake up at 9.

[B]

30 day.

[A]

Dude, you piece.

[B]

Yeah, me too. I woke up at the same time. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, no, this is early for me.

[B]

I used to sleep.

[A]

I love. Yeah, I sleep 10 hours every day.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

Okay, go ahead.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean different goals, but yeah, like

[A]

I'm don't sleep is the most healthiest thing you do as a human.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I like, I work out twice a day and then I pass out for 10 hours.

[A]

You work out twice a day?

[B]

Probably. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you look Jack, not gonna lie.

[B]

I do.

[A]

Yeah. You look, your muscles are there.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah, I need to start doing it more.

[B]

Yeah. I offered to train Neon. He never took me up. Yeah. If you want to get in the gym, let me know.

[A]

Yeah, I'm trying, dude. It's just. I get in my head. You want to know why? Because I think if I get in the gym, I'm going to get too jacked.

[B]

You're going to get too jacked. You're going to look like Ronnie Coleman.

[A]

Let me finish, bro. My mouse is 52 grams, right? This is muscles that I'm doing. What if I gain muscles? And now it feels different, so my aim's off. You get what I'm saying? No, this is real. That goes in my head.

[B]

That's like a. But, like, Steph Curry lifts weights. He's not scared about.

[A]

Yeah, but you never seen him get jack jacked.

[B]

He's pretty jacked.

[A]

No, he's jacked, but he's not jack jacked.

[B]

I mean, you. You have a long ways to go before you're Steph Curry.

[A]

Oh, I have a million ways to go before I'm Steph Curry. But he's not like LeBron James. Like. Yeah, like, LeBron's pretty massive, I'm not gonna lie.

[B]

Yeah, but even Giannis gained a bunch. Like, These guys gained 50, 60 pounds of muscle in there, bro.

[A]

But they're not top shooters. Like, Steph. Steph is a top shooter.

[B]

He's getting a lot of muscles. I'm saying, like, you. You guys are both top shooters.

[A]

Oh, that was kind of hard. I'm not gonna lie. That was hard. We are top shooters. Yeah, but right now I'm in my prime where I'm, like, not missing anything, and I'm.

[B]

This might be cope. I think you should lift some more weights.

[A]

Yeah, it is cope. I don't want to lift.

[B]

Yeah, I think you should.

[A]

I want to be a CHUD just for.

[B]

Just for health. Things should lift like, 30 minutes a couple. You know what I mean?

[A]

A few days a week.

[B]

You're not lifting at all?

[A]

No, I'm lifting like, once, twice, three times, maybe a week. I gotta walk a lot.

[B]

All right, well, hit some push ups, some pull ups.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I should. Just. For health, I do creatine every day.

[B]

You creating? Every day.

[A]

All right, well, how's your mental?

[B]

Yeah. Or how many grams are you doing?

[A]

Just one scoop.

[B]

Oh. I think for the mental effects, you need like, three.

[A]

On God.

[B]

Yeah, on God.

[A]

Three day.

[B]

The cognitive effects. It's like 15 to 20 grams. Yeah. I think I might have just won you the next tournament.

[A]

If you met. I mean, I'm a little jacked. Yeah, you're some.

[B]

There, you got it.

[A]

No, I'm not a lift, though. If you're here for tomorrow. I'm not.

[B]

All right, let's do it.

[A]

All right, let's do it, dude.

[B]

Before we head out, what's one message you have for all the double coverage fans that are tuning in and seeing an interview of yours for the first time?

[A]

All the double coverage fans. I watch a lot of your podcasts, but please, y' all may look at video game players or esports athletes as cringy or corny, but tap into one tournament and it'll change your life.

[B]

There you have it. Tap into one tournament, your life will be changed.

[A]

Yo, it's.

[B]

It's.

[A]

I'm not even joking, bro. It's like the world cup, just Fortnite edition. Yeah.

[B]

Literally. Different.

[A]

Different regions, all going at it. It's intense. You get thrills and chills up your veins while you're watching these things. Dude, like, you ever rotate endgame 30 moving alive search taking you. You need a hundred damage or you're gone. And you have a hundred thousand dollars in the line to win this game. No, you've never done that.

[B]

I told a lot of people in this interview, and they were, like, really confused. I said, esports is a sport.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

So you're in the same category as the Mike Tysons, the George St. Pierre's, all the legends that we've interviewed. I'm glad you said it.

[A]

I am.

[B]

Yeah. This is before he started interview. Like, I'm a better than Mike Tyson ever was. I'm like, that's crazy.

[A]

I said that? Yeah, I said that.

[B]

I'll say it to his face.

[A]

I remember saying that. I would say that to his face. Yeah. Yep. But thank you, dude. Thank you for watching. Hey, slap that, like, button. Subscribe. We'll see y' all in the next episode. 25.

[B]

Yes, sir.