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DeSean Jackson on Hurts & AJ Brown, Chip Kelly Fallout & Why the New Kickoff Rules Suck
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Desean Jackson
Ready to bet, ready to flex. Leona is at you see where it's at.
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Come tune in. We on stream with a chat.
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You can Michael Parson get you a sack some of my coverage. Dion silent like a Ricky. He'll be Yanna cook you a lock up, eat it for dinner. We double coverage and this is the anthem.
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Mystic Zach
What's up, guys? Mystic Zach here. Welcome Back to episode 14 of Double Coverage. Today I'm joined by one of the greatest deep threats in NFL history and current head coach at Delaware State, Mr. Desean Jackson. How you doing, bro?
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Desean Jackson
How you doing, bro? Man, appreciate you having me, man.
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Mystic Zach
Super Bowl Sunday, we just had it. What was your thoughts for us? Seahawks, Patriots.
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Desean Jackson
Oh, man, that was a little sketchy. Super bowl, man. It kind of took me back to when the Patriots played the Rams when it was a low scoring game. At first it was like, with like four field goals. Yeah, I'm sitting back. It was crazy because I already knew. I was telling everybody, the Seahawks, man, they too good of a team. Patriots, they ain't really had no receivers. To me, I felt like. I mean, Stephon's obviously a baller, but besides that, they struggled and I was just sitting back. It was kind of boring, bro. Like, I'm like sitting there like, man, when is somebody gonna score? They go all the way to the halftime. Nobody scores. My lady was like, big on watching Bad Bunny or whatever. So I'm like, man, let's get to the halftime show. And we watched the halftime show and I was like, I couldn't understand nothing. I know he's a big time artist. No disrespect to him, but I'm sitting there like, man, I just couldn't really get into it, bro.
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Mystic Zach
I walked away last time, bro. What am I gonna. I can't. I don't know what he's saying. I don't know what's going on.
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Desean Jackson
Nah, for sure.
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Mystic Zach
Oh, shout out to him, though.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah. But now overall, I mean, I feel like it was. I predicted it. Like, you know, I felt like mystic desean. Yeah, the Seahawks was going handle business. They were. I feel like anybody that came from NFC was like the better team. Like, you know, obviously, if we really go back, that Seahawks and that Rams game, that was like. I feel like we knew who was gonna be the champ from that game right there.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah, the AFC was weak.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, it was bad, man. Then, you know, Bo Niggs got hurt too. So.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah, once he broke his ankle, I.
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Desean Jackson
Was like, oh, God. The last. What? Like the last two minutes of the game too. That was hard, man, to see, bro. But, you know, overall, man, it's crazy. Cause just like that, football season's over. You know what I'm saying? And now, you know, our season, obviously we ended back like the end of November. So, you know, it's crazy, like, during this period of time, like, football season's over, but then, like, watch how fast it starts back up, you know what I'm saying? You go look up and it's going to be August and it's going to be right back again.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you've had a totally different schedule. Now, as a head coach, how was your first year coaching? You did a great job. You guys were eight and four, obviously looking to improve.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, I mean, I feel like my first year, man, it was exciting, but at the same time, like, I didn't know what to expect, you know, because all these years being a player and then now transition over to being a coach, for me, I was very anxious and excited to see, like, you know, off season, I was training. We did spring ball, we did, you know, summer camp. And then it was like, like, man, I want to see, like, how is, like, what is it going to be? Like, are we going to go out there and get smacked? Are we going to win? You know, so I was like, before that first game of the season, I was just trying to figure out, like, what was it going to feel like or what was it going to be. But, like, you know, man, I could never predicted me to be a head coach in college, but I mean, you know, it kind of fell on my lap, man, and, you know, I'm having a great time doing it.
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Mystic Zach
What was your biggest surprise being a coach?
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Desean Jackson
I mean, I think the biggest surprise, you know, man, seeing guys take initiative, man, wanting to, you know, better off their selves, you know, the information we're teaching these young men, you know, and how they're grab, you know, they're grabbing the right information and it's transitioning over to the games, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, as a coach, you know, it's a fulfilling moment that your players, you know, they're doing everything you asking them, from meeting rooms, you know, to going out on the field, to taking notes, to, you know, you know, walkthroughs, just spending, like all the time you can just to be the best you can on the field. And, you know, I think they did a hell of a job doing that.
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Mystic Zach
What's been your coaching style? Are you a player's coach? Are you trying to relate to them. And.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, I mean, I feel like for me, honestly, like, the coaches that I love playing for was the coaches that could relate to the players, you know, so, you know, I didn't want to become this coach and be like, you know, not realistic to being a player, you know. Cause as a player, man, like, it's a lot of things you gotta go through, you know, it's not gonna always be perfect, you know, you're gonna have mistakes, you're gonna do the wrong thing, you know, and as a coach, to be able to say, you know what? I was watching your shoes. I ain't gonna crucify you for doing things. But, like, at the end of the day, like, you gotta. You gotta own up to it. If you make a mistake or you mess up, you gotta own up to it. So, you know, just holding them accountable, having a high standard, and, you know, at the end of the day, just being a realist for sure.
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Mystic Zach
Is it fulfilling being a leader of young men and getting to see them on their journey?
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Desean Jackson
Yeah. I mean, being a coach, man, for one, is inspiring. You know what I'm saying? I think without being an inspirer, without being a motivator, without being a leader, you know, it's gonna be hard to have success being a coach. So since day one and hopping in, man, I've been feet on land. That's the mentality I say, you know, like, you always gotta be where your feet are, you know, you can't be here thinking about Miami or wherever the heck else you at, you know, so just being invested. And if any, like, anything you wanna do in life, if you work hard, that you can have success. That's my motto, you know, I don't care if you're not good, if you don't have experience, like, you know, I didn't have experience coaching, you know, I hopped in and I was successful, you know, so that's just kind of how I've been able to be successful my whole career.
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Mystic Zach
Absolutely. Who was your favorite head coach during your career? You obviously played for a lot of great ones.
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Desean Jackson
I mean, honestly, I say, like, to be honest, like, Coach Andy Reid. And the reason why I say that, because he was like a father figure, you know, like, obviously he wasn't my dad, but, like, he was understanding of, like, he was born in California. He knew how it was. The temptations, being young, you know, having, like, a lot of people relying on you and depending on you for me was hard because, you know, being. Growing up in la, growing up in the streets, poverty, you know, What I'm saying, like, there ain't really no hope, you know, so it's not a lot of people you could look up to. That's motivators besides, like, you know, the homies in the hood or homies, you know, just doing some positive things besides that. Like, you know, you have my dad, my older brother, but it's not really a lot of it, you know, so he kind of understood where I was coming from and, you know, what I had to do to make it out. So I was just able to relate to him. And, you know, he was tough. He was hard. You know, I ain't gonna say it was easy, but at the end of the day, it was like. It was like one of those parents where it's like tough love, you know what I'm saying? He's, like, understanding, like he gonna lead you to there, but like, at the end of day, he can't do it for you, you know, so that's kind of like my teaching. You know, I want to help lead guys there, but obviously I can't drink the water from them. They gotta drink they self.
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Mystic Zach
You know, when Coach Reed goes to Kansas City, did you know the type of success he would have? Because he's. He already had an incredible career, Philly, and then he's extended in Kansas City now. He's regarded as one of the greatest coaches of all time.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, I mean, I think coach Andy Reid. One thing I say about Coach Andy Reid is he's a fair and honest person. And, you know, he expects certain things to be done a certain way. You know, there's no if, ands or buts about that. You know, he's going to show you how it's done and he'll teach you as well, too. A teacher as well, too. So I think those kind of coaches that have those characteristics are the ones that are very successful, so to say. Like the way he left Philadelphia, like, we kind of struggled that last year. And, you know, when he left, I didn't really know what he was going to do, but I just knew he was going to be successful. So for him to go to Kansas City, what they won, like two or three rings, right? In over, like 10 years. So.
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Mystic Zach
Three rings.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, three rings. So, I mean, like, been to a couple more. So say he didn't win. Not one in Philly. And then he goes to.
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Mystic Zach
Because that was his knock, you know, that's what they would always say and win.
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Desean Jackson
But I mean, you know, at the end of the day, he had a. I ain't Gonna say the greatest quarterback, but it's arguable to say, you know, Patrick Mahomes, I think at the end of his career would probably go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks. But, you know, Tom Brady, in my book is the goat.
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Mystic Zach
Nah, definitely for sure. For sure. One of the craziest stats about you, you caught touchdown passes from Donovan McNabb and Jalen Hurts.
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Desean Jackson
Right? Crazy eras, right? That's like, what, three different decades?
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Mystic Zach
Yeah. And you were taking the tops off of defenses literally your entire career. Did you, when you enter the league, did you expect to have that kind of longevity? I mean, it's insane.
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Desean Jackson
I mean, I was one of those guys where I feel like I invented a different type of style in the NFL. To look at a guy of stature that's under six feet. I land five' ten, five' eleven. So to have that type of stature, Never was over 180 pounds my whole career, over 15 years span. So to be able to say, like, I came in and I played on the outside, I wasn't like just a slot receiver, I wasn't just a returner. Like, you know, I mastered the wide receiver position. And it's not too many guys with my stature that's accomplished that. So I feel like, you know, I definitely earned it. And, you know, I'm a connoisseur because I feel like, you know, like I said, coming into the NFL, they was underlooking or overlooking a lot of smaller players, you know, So I feel like now after what I did and a few other probably before me, like, okay, we can't pass up on somebody that's shorter, that's not the biggest, just because of their size, you know. So I think they start giving a lot more people, you know, opportunities because of that. You know what I'm saying?
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Mystic Zach
No. When we talk about the greatest D threats ever and you and Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson, those guys are so much bigger than you, for sure. Totally different.
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Desean Jackson
And what's crazy is too, you know, you speak on the greatest deep threat ever. Like, Jerry Rice is up in there too. Even though you don't really think of it as him being like a home run hitter, but like, he used to catch fire yard slants and go the distance and take it like 70, 80 yards. So, yeah, I mean, it's definitely a fulfillment moment to be able to say, like, growing up la, went to Cal, obviously left sc. I committed to sc, but then I turned him down. I was like, man, I'm going to Cal. But to see like my path and Then like, what I did in the NFL, to be able to say, like, one of the best deep thresh ever, like, it's just like the hard work's paid off. It was a lot of doubters, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was a lot of people that didn't think I was gonna make it past three years in the NFL. So I just kinda.
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Mystic Zach
I mean, people quit on you during your prime.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, no, for sure they did. I mean, I ain't gonna say his name. You said it.
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Mystic Zach
Chip Kelly. I mean, gives you away. We had Shady on the pod too. We talked about that, like, for sure. What was that morning like? Cause for me at home, I'm a Cowboys fan. I couldn't have been happier.
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Desean Jackson
Damn. Why you ain't telling me you was a Cowboy player before?
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Mystic Zach
We said now, I couldn't have been happier. When Chiphunt gets rid of you, I mean, that was like Christmas morning for a Cowboys fan.
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Desean Jackson
Nah, I mean, he just had a certain way he wanted to do things and, you know, I felt like it was kind of more like of a college setting, you know, and, you know, him coming to the NFL in his first year and was it. Which was 2013, was my biggest year I had of all my years, you know, his, I would say his philosophy, his style was. Was great on the field, but it was just like everything he was asking us to do as far as, like, I would say petty things like wear a heart monitor at night. Like you asking, you asking somebody that's a five, six year, seven year vet to put on a heart monitor at night just to see how many hours you sleep in. Like you want to. You want to test our urine to see how hydrated we are. It's like, you know, it was just like it was guinea pigs, you know what I'm saying? I get it. You know, you coming from Oregon and you want to test all us for like, certain things. And it's just like for me, I'm like, man, I'm not doing that.
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Mystic Zach
You're a grown ass man.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, I'm a grown man. I'm getting paid like I'm getting for one, I'm getting paid more than you. But, you know, it was just like he was just asking you to do things that for me just wasn't realistic. And I was, I wasn't really going for a lot of stuff. And it wasn't just me, it was other people too. But, you know, I just think we kind of just butted heads in there. You know, they just felt like they had to go in a different direction.
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Mystic Zach
No, great. He did a great job, man. Yeah.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah. I mean, I still was in the division, though.
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Mystic Zach
I still see you torched us. Yeah. You know, the Washington rivalry isn't as bad as the Philly one, though. You know, when you're an Eagle playing the Cowboys, it's different.
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Desean Jackson
Nah, it definitely is, man. For sure.
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Mystic Zach
Jalen Carter spitting on Dak like that, that gets huge.
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Desean Jackson
Dak originally spit it first. If you go back and look at it, he. He spit first. I don't know if he was trying to spit directly on him, but he still spit regardless. It was to the left or to the right or straight. You spit. So when we getting in and then you spit. I feel like I'm talking to you, and I spit anywhere close to you. That's a form of disrespect.
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Mystic Zach
So that instigated.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, yeah, for sure. He definitely instigated that. And I mean, Jalen somebody. You can't. He a bully.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah.
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Desean Jackson
He ain't going for that. So, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, when I first seen it, I'm like, nah, you can't do that. You know, and that was a big game. First game wasn't the first game.
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Mystic Zach
It was. Yeah, it was.
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Desean Jackson
Opener like, you can't do that. But at the end of the day, shit, he did.
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Mystic Zach
Feels like last week and now the season's over.
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Desean Jackson
It's over that fast? Never finger. Yeah.
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Mystic Zach
Speaking of the Eagles, what's your outlook on them this upcoming season? What are you looking for them to do? Because you're an Eagle in your heart?
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Desean Jackson
Nah, for sure. I mean, last year, I feel like, was a. We started pretty good, then we kind of got into a little funky. It's kind of always how it is, too, with the Eagles, you know what I'm saying? They kind of fell out of rhythm towards the end. Kind of played a little better, but, you know, obviously still didn't accomplish what we wanted to accomplish as an Eagle fan after we just won two Super Bowls over the past, what, decade? I mean, like, it's either win the super bowl or bust, you know what I'm saying? So I think they'll do a good job of figuring out. Hobbie always does a good job of figuring out this offseason whether he'll bring some guys in or, you know, just kind of rework the roster. But, you know, we'll be back. It ain't over for us. I think we got a hell of a team right now, man. So curious to see what y' all gonna do with the Cowboys.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah, Cowboys got a lot of defense to get.
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Desean Jackson
Micah Parsons. I don't think that was smart. Obviously, he got hurt in Green Bay, but, I mean, you know who I do like that y' all got. I like NFL youngboy.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah. No. Pickens is a monster GP of baller, man.
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Desean Jackson
I was just with them at Pro Bowl.
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Mystic Zach
Him and cd he can do everything.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, he can. He. He.
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Mystic Zach
He.
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Desean Jackson
He got. He got that dog mentality, too. That's why I really like him, man. He's a. He ain't no selfish player, man. Like, you know, when he get his opportunity to make some plays, he gonna ball. So. Yeah, y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all got something good. I just don't feel like I don't know, man. Y'. All. Was you alive when y' all won last year?
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Mystic Zach
Hell, no. I was one of 02.
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Desean Jackson
Feel bad for y', all, man. See, I was born 86, so I. Yeah, I remember the 90s.
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Mystic Zach
You didn't help us. You don't feel bad at all?
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Desean Jackson
No, I didn't. But, you know, I got a lot of friends that are, like, cowboy, like, die hard fans. And it's like, I feel bad for y'. All. Cause, like, y', all, like, y' all living in, like. Like, what, 30 decades ago? 20 decades ago.
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Mystic Zach
You torched us a few years ago on Thanksgiving. You ruined my Thanksgiving.
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Desean Jackson
I was. I was for. I was for Raiders.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah.
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Mystic Zach
I mean, my turkey was cold. I was upset.
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Desean Jackson
Anytime I play the Cowboys, I just feel like it's one of those. Cause y' all are supposed to be America's team. So, like, you know, I just feel like all eyes or on that game. And I just. One thing about me, like, I always, like, stepped up in big games. Not to say regular games, I don't step up. But, like, in big games, like, I always felt like I had to, you know, really turn up. And it just happened to be versus the Cowboys.
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Mystic Zach
It did. It happened to be against us a lot, for sure, unfortunately. How did the Eagles get Jalen Hurts and A.J. brown back on track? Is it salvageable?
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Desean Jackson
I mean, I think that's a good question, man. You a smart man. Cause, you know, every time this topic comes up, it grabs a lot of attention. But that's a tough question, man. I don't. I don't think I can answer not. I don't think I can answer that, but I don't think I have the answer for that. Because, like you said, it's A. It's a relationship that's kind of been tarnished a little bit. You know, they. They were like, damn, their best friends when they first started playing together. And I think, you know, over the past year, I just don't think they're quite as tight as they used to be. So, you know, that's going to be something they're going to have to fix internally. I mean, if, you know, being a receiver and, you know, being in situations like that, I mean, you might have to put your pride to the side regardless. And I don't know if you able to when you. When shit's deep as it is, you know. So I hope they get it together and figure it out because I feel like they both two hell of a players and, you know, when they not on the same page, you could tell it sticks out like a sore throne.
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Mystic Zach
No, it really did. I mean, could a fresh start be best?
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Desean Jackson
Hey, man, it's always best, man. Fresh start is always gonna be best. But who gonna take the first start? Cause they both getting a lot of money. And that. That cap, I think the cap went up too. I think the NFL, granted, did go up 30 million or something like that. So. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know if I honestly felt like he would. He probably would get traded A.J. brown, but I don't know how it's gonna work. But hey, by March, I think that's like the deadline we got like two months to see or a month. February. Shit. So they got a month to see. What's your prediction? You think he gone?
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Mystic Zach
I think he's gone.
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Desean Jackson
Think so?
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Mystic Zach
I don't. It seems like he really wants to leave. Yeah, he wants his. He wasn't getting his.
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Desean Jackson
I mean, he wasn't at first. And then he started and then like, it kind of my thing as a wide receiver. And I say this all the time too. Like, if you gonna cause friction or you gonna cause attention, like, you gotta be on your A game, you know what I'm saying? One thing like my OGs always told me, they're like, man, it's cool to get mad, cool to get frustrated. You ain't getting the ball. But like, when you get your opportunities, don't let that frustration overplay your play, if that makes sense. So, like, you know, like when you mad, it's a lot of clutter going on. Like your mind not where it needs to really be, you know what I'm saying? For you to be able to conquer that task. So I think that's where it Gets tricky because, like, it's the NFL for one. Players are getting paid a lot of money. It's a league full of great play. Like, I ain't gonna say great players. The league full of everybody's good, then you got some great players. So, like, even the good players could do to a great player. So, like, if you ain't on your A game, if you great, those good players are gonna be better than you.
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Mystic Zach
Yeah.
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Desean Jackson
You know what I'm saying? So that's. That's where you got to just manage that and just do your thing.
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Mystic Zach
And that's what first started the Eagles fans, was the complaining and the what. And then the drops are coming. You can't.
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Desean Jackson
You can't do that in Philly. One, one thing about Philly, man, if you, for one, that's one of the hardest teams to ever play for, you know? Cause when you ain't doing good, you're gonna hear it. And, you know, I feel like when you bring a lot of attention to your name or yourself and you not doing what you need to do, they gonna boo your ass for sure. It's a hard place to play in.
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Mystic Zach
What do you think about the book?
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Desean Jackson
The book? I think it was a distraction. I think it was a throw off. I mean, like, you gotta think for three hours of you playing like a book. And you reading a book ain't gonna help take your mind off.
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Mystic Zach
You never brought a book to the game, man. Come on. What would you do if one of your players brought a book to the game?
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Desean Jackson
Honestly, I would be like, bro, you trippin, bruh. Like, now you know, at the end of the day now you're doing. You doing the most. But like, your personality is your personality. But like I'm saying, like, for three hours, you can lock in and worry about, like, your opponent, us winning the game, us being on the same page. Like you reading a book when shit ain't going right. That ain't like, nah, bro, you can't do that, bro. And aj, my boy, yeah, like, I tell him this to his face, but like, at the end of the day, like, he a grown man. So, like, I'd never be the person to be hating on you. But, I mean, I got an opinion. I'm gonna speak my opinion, but like, at the end of the day, like, I got a cool relationship with him and you know what he does, what he does, but just grand scheme of things, like looking at it like, nah, bro, you gotta be locked in, man. And you can't be that frustrated and let your distractions or let things distract you from the game.
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Mystic Zach
No, absolutely. And obviously Jalen hurts the guy you played for, so he's a Super bowl mvp. I mean he's been there a couple times. He's professional.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah, he gonna always be a professional.
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Mystic Zach
It's hard for me to understand someone not getting along with him. He seems like the nicest, most professional guy you can have.
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Desean Jackson
I mean, yeah, you got a point. I mean but everybody got their ways, you know, that's not to speak any ways to say, I agree why somebody don't get along with a person. But like, I mean I think in sports, man, you got opinions right and then you got facts right. So are you opinionated or are you factual? So for me, like Jayden's a winner. He's proven that.
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Mystic Zach
He's been a winner ever since Bama.
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Desean Jackson
I mean but you know, sometimes a proven win may be different than if I'm a receiver and I'm AJ Brown and like the way you win may be different than the way I want to win. Like maybe yo winning at 13 for 17 for 125 yards. I maybe want you to go 24 for 31 and 350 yards. You know what I'm saying? So like that's, that's when things get opinionated. But I mean from his perspective, I mean one thing about him, he's going to take care of the ball. Towards the end of the season, middle season, he kind of started throwing picks and stuff but like for overall he's always managed the game. I think he's a great manager and that's why he has the wins he has.
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Mystic Zach
No, absolutely. And he's been a consumant professional since Bama. Seems like he's always at the locker room behind him and I, I wish the best for him. The Eagles for sure.
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Desean Jackson
Just, just accept when they play first. The Cowboys.
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Mystic Zach
Oh yeah. No, I hope they get against the Cowboys for sure. Yeah, I'm back. A lot of Eagles fans, friends, shout out to Skinny Joey and everyone. But nah. One thing I want to ask you though. The kickoff rules.
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Desean Jackson
Yeah.
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Mystic Zach
Our president hates them. You're known for your special teams.
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Desean Jackson
We're.
- [21:01]
Mystic Zach
What do you think of him?
- [21:05]
Desean Jackson
I mean, I don't like the new kickoff rules for sure. Even asking like, you know, it's crazy. I was talking to what's his name? Turpin, for the Cowboys. What's his first name?
- [21:15]
Mystic Zach
Kevonte.
- [21:16]
Desean Jackson
Kevonte, yeah. So I was talking to him at the Pro bowl and I was asking him how he felt about the new kickoff rules. And he was like, man, he didn't like them. Cause, you know, obviously I wasn't playing when they made the change. But, yeah, I mean, I know it's for safety and things like that, but I just feel like that ain't it, man. Like, and then you gotta declare it onside. Like, you can't just surprise onside kick no more. Like, man, it takes the fun out of the game, man. So I feel like hopefully the NFL recircle and change that rule back. But, I mean, like I said once again, I know it's for injuries, but, I mean, it's football. If you gonna get hurt, you gonna get hurt. Like, you making people 5 yards, 10 yards apart from each other is not gonna stop people from getting hurt.
- [21:56]
Mystic Zach
When I talked to Lawrence Taylor about it, he was like, man, the best way to not get hurt is for everyone to play fast. The way guys get hurt is when they slow down and they don't play through the play and they don't play fast. I play fast.
- [22:09]
Desean Jackson
I mean, it's only one way to play. I mean, I think you talking to somebody that, you know, invented some stuff in football. So going back, I mean, like, I tell these guys all the time, like, the NFL is changing things to prolong people's career and be able to make people have longevity. But. And the safety and all the helmets. And, like, when I was growing up, when we was playing, there wasn't no concussions. They were like, oh, you got wet, man. Get your ass back out there. You know what I'm saying? So now you got any one little thing going wrong, they like, oh, we holding you out. So, yeah, man, it is with this football, man. Like, you know, that's why you got all the moms being like, they don't want their sons to play. But, like, once you make that decision, let your son play. Like, you gotta go. Let him play. Go rub some dirt on it. What they say, spitting dirt?
- [22:50]
Mystic Zach
Yeah. That bother you as a coach at all? You know, we trying to toughen them up.
- [22:55]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, man, this. These. These dudes nowadays, man, they. If they. If they got a cold, they ain't practicing, man. Like, they got a stomach. Freaking stomachache. They ain't practicing. So as a coach, it'd be like, I get it. If you really hurt and something's really wrong with you, then cool. But, like, at the end of the day, man, like, you gotta be able to play through some shit, you know? So, you know, hopefully they. They toughen up.
- [23:18]
Mystic Zach
What was the toughest injury you Played through in your career?
- [23:21]
Desean Jackson
I had a growing. A growing injury, man. What do they call that? A hernia? It was like a hernia.
- [23:27]
Mystic Zach
Oh, shit.
- [23:28]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. My bone. No, the muscle pulled off my pelvic. So it was like I was running and, like, a dude, like, pushed me and it was like I felt the pop, but I think it was like, wear and tear over time.
- [23:43]
Mystic Zach
Yeah.
- [23:43]
Desean Jackson
And I was dealing with, like, in the growing areas, and then, like, it kind of. It pulled from here because I guess it was pulling from the tension from one side. So, yeah, that was. I was my only surgery in 15 years, man. But that was the toughest one, too.
- [23:55]
Mystic Zach
That was your only surgery in 15 years?
- [23:56]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, yeah. I only had one surgery, man. And I was. I was fortunate, bro, to not really have no knees and no crazy other injuries. But yeah, one surgery in 15 years, man.
- [24:05]
Mystic Zach
I think it might be a record.
- [24:07]
Desean Jackson
I don't know.
- [24:08]
Mystic Zach
I've never heard of that.
- [24:10]
Desean Jackson
Well, if it is, it is, but it may be somebody won the whole career. Shit, I almost made it a whole career without having none.
- [24:16]
Mystic Zach
That's crazy.
- [24:16]
Desean Jackson
That happened. I think my 13th year.
- [24:19]
Mystic Zach
It took you 13 years to get your first surgery?
- [24:21]
Desean Jackson
Yup. 13 years. Yeah.
- [24:23]
Mystic Zach
That might be a record. That's insane. That skill position return. That's crazy, bro.
- [24:29]
Desean Jackson
Yeah.
- [24:29]
Mystic Zach
Wow. I never would have thought that in a million years because guys get so many cleanup surgeries now.
- [24:35]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. Well, I should have had surgery on my thumb, but I said I wasn't gonna do it, so, like, my joint, like, it goes, like, way back then, like this other one. So cool.
- [24:45]
Mystic Zach
Party trick.
- [24:45]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. Nah, it hurt. I ain't pulling that out. I be trying to hold it in because if it go too far, that's like sometimes when I put my pants on and get caught. Well, that should be a painful ass football. Painful, man. It's a lot of. Lot of tough injuries in football.
- [25:02]
Mystic Zach
Who are your favorite receivers to watch across the league today?
- [25:07]
Desean Jackson
I would probably say Jamar Chase. Justin Jefferson. Devontae Adams. Tyreek Hill. Mike Evans.
- [25:17]
Mystic Zach
Mike Evans.
- [25:17]
Desean Jackson
Mike Evans. And Park Ghee. One more. I like Jackson Smith, man.
- [25:24]
Mystic Zach
Jackson Smith, dog.
- [25:25]
Desean Jackson
How you say his last name?
- [25:26]
Mystic Zach
Njigwa. I didn't like that. Drew Skis. I did not like that at all. What did you think of it?
- [25:34]
Desean Jackson
I think they'd be messing with him because MARSHawn lynch said McNigma.
- [25:39]
Mystic Zach
It's cool. Like, the podcast is cool, but the NFL honors, like, yeah, his mom's watching. I'm like, come on, bro.
- [25:48]
Desean Jackson
He kind of tripped out on that. But yeah.
- [25:50]
Mystic Zach
Not in the right setting, you know?
- [25:51]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. Nah, for sure, man.
- [25:53]
Mystic Zach
And he's not Marshawn either. Marshawn can say whatever the he wants, whenever he wants. He's beast mode. Like, you can't. He's.
- [26:02]
Desean Jackson
Seen him get away with all the time. Like, man, they be tripping off the little I do, and they let Marshall go crazy. But like you said, it's beast mode. They gonna let him do whatever.
- [26:11]
Mystic Zach
Yeah, he's got that reputation, and he, like, earned it. Like, he's a comedian. It's totally different.
- [26:16]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. No facts.
- [26:18]
Mystic Zach
And I was not fucking with that. The Seahawks, though, man, like, did that shock you, too, what they did throughout the year?
- [26:26]
Desean Jackson
It did. I ain't gonna lie. Especially with Sam Darnold there, you know, and then with the new coach that came from Baltimore. This was his second or first year?
- [26:34]
Mystic Zach
Second year.
- [26:35]
Desean Jackson
The second year. Yeah. I mean, winning in your second year, I mean, was like, the third youngest coach to ever win. It was crazy. He was my defensive coordinator when I was in Baltimore my last year in 2022. But, I mean, it's crazy. Cause, like, towards the end of the season, before playoffs, I'm looking, I'm like, man, Seahawks got the number one seed, and I was like, damn. Like, it definitely did throw me off, because I didn't expect that. And Sam Darnold had a hell of a year, man. So that running back, too, man, Walker, boy, that. That boy. Nice, man. Like, I was. I watched him throughout the season, and I didn't think he was, like, nothing crazy. And then towards, like, the playoffs, because what he did versus the Rams with that little move he made versus the linebacker, I was like, yeah, that dude's special, man. Your baller. The super bowl, too. Like, man, coming from basically nowhere. Baller, though.
- [27:26]
Mystic Zach
He runs as well as anyone.
- [27:27]
Desean Jackson
Patient, too. I seen. I seen some. He did yesterday, and he, like, hit a lady, y'.
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All.
- [27:32]
He was like, stop pausing. He was out. I'm like, oh, yeah, he different. Yeah. What's crazy, though, them dudes to be, like, standing straight up when they running. Like, that's weird. I ain't gonna lie, because it's like you watching him, it's like, man, he ain't even ready to run. Like, how you. Like, usually when you run, like you got, like, a head start or like you leaning or something, he just straight up and then just go.
- [27:51]
Mystic Zach
I'm like, that's the Jason stance.
- [27:53]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. Gently right.
- [27:55]
Mystic Zach
Genty, too.
- [27:57]
Desean Jackson
You said Jason? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You don't know what to predict with anybody to do that. They dangerous. You gotta watch out for somebody like that. Watch out for them.
- [28:07]
Mystic Zach
He's a free agent too. He's about to get paid.
- [28:10]
Desean Jackson
Jenny is Walker. Oh, yeah. Damn.
- [28:14]
Mystic Zach
Walker's about to get dang.
- [28:16]
Desean Jackson
He is. You think. You think he'll reset the market?
- [28:19]
Mystic Zach
I don't know about is. He can't really block or catch. God damn. Can he run?
- [28:23]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. No, I don't think he.
- [28:25]
Mystic Zach
He's got brick hands, so he won't.
- [28:26]
Desean Jackson
You can't play him. I mean, you can't pay him more than you pay like a CMC or somebody or Saquon.
- [28:30]
Mystic Zach
You know what I mean?
- [28:31]
Desean Jackson
He can't do that. But he gonna get. He for sure gonna get paid. He can run. No, he can't. He gonna get paid. You think he'll still be in Seattle?
- [28:37]
Mystic Zach
I don't know. So it'd be a lot of money. He's one super mvp though. So the fans will trip out. They let him walk.
- [28:43]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, they gonna have to break the bank.
- [28:46]
Mystic Zach
Yeah, it was. They were splitting his carries all year with Straubenet, and then Charbonnet got hurt and then just opened the floodgates. Like. I don't think anyone runs as. I don't. Maybe Bijan runs as well as him, but that's about it now.
- [28:56]
Desean Jackson
Bijan, different Bijan, Jonathan Taylor. I mean, it's a few ballers out there. Who you taking? You taking Bijan or Jameer Gibbs?
- [29:06]
Mystic Zach
That's like 1A, 1B. I'll take Bijan, but Gibbs is lightning.
- [29:12]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, man, that's.
- [29:13]
Mystic Zach
You're with him at the Pro bowl, huh?
- [29:15]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, I was with both of them. That's what I was asking. Because I asked a few people that. I was like, man, who. Who you taking?
- [29:19]
Mystic Zach
Who are you taking?
- [29:20]
Desean Jackson
I mean, it's. You can't go wrong, man. But I don't know, like, man, Bijan, I feel like is the overall, like. I wouldn't say better, but he's overall. He does a lot of overall things different. But like, Yez, man, like, you get him that boy, he out of there, man. So I'll probably take years, man, just. Cause I like, you could throw, you could pass. You know what I'm saying? He gonna hit it and be gone.
- [29:39]
Mystic Zach
Gibbs might have a little higher ceiling.
- [29:43]
Desean Jackson
Like, I don't know.
- [29:44]
Mystic Zach
Gives love games where you literally cannot do one thing about it.
- [29:48]
Desean Jackson
Yeah. Nah, for sure. Yeah, I think overall too. I think he probably had like. He had more games overall. More yardage than Bijan.
- [29:56]
Mystic Zach
Nah, for sure. Baller yeah, the Rams, man. I thought they were gonna do it. They were so close, man.
- [30:05]
Desean Jackson
Matthew Stafford, man.
- [30:06]
Mystic Zach
How incredible is he?
- [30:07]
Desean Jackson
Mvp. He a baller, man. I told people a long time ago that he didn't really get enough credit, that he deserved to be able to do what he did in Detroit all those years, even though he didn't make it to the super bowl, man, like. And Calvin Johnson retired on him early. But, you know, once he came to LA, man, it was something special. I'm like, man, McVay. Cause obviously, when. When Jared Goff was there in LA, Shinema Vay did a great job. Sean McVeigh was one of my coaches. Well, in Washington, and I came and played in LA, too. So I always knew that, like, Sean McVeigh, once he got his guy, he gonna turn him something special. So once he did come to la, I mean, there ain't no way that they wasn't gonna win a Super bowl. So they got one. But I for sure thought they was gonna win it this year, too.
- [30:51]
Mystic Zach
Yeah.
- [30:51]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, I thought they would.
- [30:53]
Mystic Zach
They need to get two next year.
- [30:55]
Desean Jackson
Hey, it's gonna be in la, too. Cause that exactly. Were they the first team to win in their home stadium. Was that in 2021?
- [31:01]
Mystic Zach
Well, the Bucs did it.
- [31:02]
Desean Jackson
Oh, the Bucks did before that?
- [31:03]
Mystic Zach
Yeah. Brady did it in Tampa.
- [31:05]
Desean Jackson
Bucks and then la. So then they got another opportunity this next year to go back. So I did see that, too. Do you believe that? I don't know if it's conspiracy, but, like, do you believe, like, they say the NFL, when they post, like, the super bowl thing, like, it's the teams that are gonna win. It is like. Or the teams is going to it, like, the colors. Do you believe that?
- [31:24]
Mystic Zach
How would that work?
- [31:26]
Desean Jackson
They said. They ever hear a script, like, I don't know, bro. But, like, every year they say the teams. The teams that are going to super bowl is predicted. So, like, they just put out the Super Bowl 6. What is it, 61 or 60, whatever that is. They put it out and it's, like, greenish. I can't remember what it was. But, like, they're saying, like, those are the two teams.
- [31:46]
Mystic Zach
It's a weird coincidence. I just don't know how they would, like.
- [31:49]
Desean Jackson
I mean, you know how this shit is, man.
- [31:52]
Mystic Zach
I don't.
- [31:53]
Desean Jackson
I mean, you don't, but you do. All right. I mean, I feel like the refs can influence it. I mean.
- [32:00]
Mystic Zach
Yeah, but obviously the players aren't, like, gonna.
- [32:03]
Desean Jackson
Nah. I played all those years, I never knew anything about anything being rigged. So I'm not. I'm not saying from a player, but.
- [32:09]
Mystic Zach
The refs can rig it. I mean, some of these refs are.
- [32:11]
Desean Jackson
Kind of inexplicable, but some. Yeah, some of this, like, I don't know if you. You ever be looking at it like you say you. You bet, right? So, like, the best. Yeah, some of these games and, like, times, and it be like, referees doing certain shit.
- [32:23]
Mystic Zach
Nah, the refs are whack.
- [32:24]
Desean Jackson
It'd be like, should I be seeing somebody on Instagram? Be like, look at this. This game's rigged. And I'm looking and I'm like, it do be like, crazy little things to be going on in the game.
- [32:33]
Mystic Zach
Nah, I felt like they took the Bills game away from Buffalo and they played the Broncos that catch, the catch, and then they kept calling these weird pass interferences. I was like, yo, you weren't calling that all game.
- [32:44]
Desean Jackson
It was a few catches, too. The Rams had one of those, too, right?
- [32:47]
Mystic Zach
Yeah.
- [32:48]
Desean Jackson
Was that.
- [32:49]
Mystic Zach
Oh, yeah, the Rams. The Rams got hoes, too.
- [32:51]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, that catch. That's what I'm saying. Like. And you know, one thing I think they need to change, too. A catch. So, like, a catch infield is different from a catch when you score. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they say, like, if you break the plane, then it's. Then it's good. But then in the field, you gotta, like, maintain it to the ground. Yeah, that don't make sense to me. Like, if it's gonna be one way in the field, it gotta be one way in the end zone. You know what I'm saying?
- [33:14]
Mystic Zach
Absolutely.
- [33:15]
Desean Jackson
So, like, I know a few times, like, a guy caught the ball and then something happened, and then they don't maintain the catch it to the ground and it's a touchdown. But I'm like, if that same play was in the field, it wouldn't have been a catch. So why is. It's two different standards for the catch.
- [33:27]
Mystic Zach
It shouldn't be this confusing to figure out what a catch is.
- [33:29]
Desean Jackson
Yeah, the NFL got it.
- [33:30]
Mystic Zach
They gotta figure this shit out.
- [33:31]
Desean Jackson
NFL gotta do a better job, man. Roger Goodell, man, you making too much damn money, man. Get that shit figured out.
- [33:37]
Mystic Zach
Yeah, you guys got too big of a budget to keep messing this up, man.
- [33:39]
Desean Jackson
Figured it out.
- [33:40]
Mystic Zach
Absolutely, man. Great talking to you. Anything you want to get off your chest? Anyone you want to call out?
- [33:48]
Desean Jackson
Nah, man, just, you know, stay tuned, man. Delaware State Hornets, man, 20, 26, man, we gonna have a heck of a year, man. You know, we looking for doing we looking to do some exciting things this year. Stay tuned, man. Follow me on Instagram. One on one, Sean Jackson, 10 on Twitter, Twitch, streaming, GPA. I mean, GTA role play. We do it all, man. Got our own servers. Come check us out, man.
- [34:12]
Mystic Zach
Let's go. Great to have you on. Appreciate you.
- [34:15]
Desean Jackson
Sure, brother. Yeah, all the time.
- [34:16]
Mystic Zach
Let's go.
- [34:20]
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