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DOUBLE COVERAGE PODCAST
Lamar Odom on Kobe's Message From the Afterlife, Khloe Kardashian & Why the Lakers Are Losing
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Lamar Odom
I had a dream about Kobe. That's how you know it was a dream. We having a shooting contest, but Billy Crystal was hosting it. So, you know, you know, obviously I'm dreaming. You know what I'm saying? He looked back at me, he said, hello. The afterlife is not what people make it up to.
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Commercial Announcer
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Lamar Odom
We on stream with a chat. You can Michael Parson get you a sack selling my Kyras Deon sounding.
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Mystic Zack
What's up, guys? Mystic Zack here. Welcome Back to episode 15 of Double Coverage. Today I'm joined by La Legend.
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Lamar Odom
No, no, that's too much.
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Mystic Zack
Two time champion. That's former NBA six man of the year. That's a fact, my guy.
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Lamar Odom
What's up?
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Mystic Zack
Mr. Lamar Odom. Hello.
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Lamar Odom
How you doing, bro?
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Mystic Zack
What's good? I'm chilling, man, LA Legends Fair. I've walked around with you in LA. Everyone recognizes you pretty much.
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Lamar Odom
I don't know if that make you a legend.
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Mystic Zack
You play with Kobe.
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Lamar Odom
I did play with Kobe.
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Mystic Zack
You, you helped get him two of championships, you know.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, to the best of my ability.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
Anyone who I learned a lot from dude, bro, definitely learned a lot from dude.
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Mystic Zack
If you were in the trenches with Kobe, I think you're a legend. That's.
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Lamar Odom
I hear that.
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Mystic Zack
I get that Phil Jackson, the whole nine yards.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, yeah. I got the whole Zening me.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
The whole lesson, I learned how to manifest and meditate. You know, if you got 12 or 15 young men meditating towards the same goal, you've seen the results. Meditation is like a form of prayer. Right. So definitely learned a lot from Phil.
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Mystic Zack
And being we were talking about it earlier, but you got thrown into the spotlight, professional basketball at such a young age. You were there at the first game played. It's. I mean, we're literally right by Staples center now. Crypto arena.
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Lamar Odom
I was 19.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah. 99.
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Lamar Odom
As a matter of fact. My number one booster at unlv, he was friends with a guy that was in the steel business. And this is 1997. And he says, look, Lamar, I want to show you these blueprints I got for this building I'm about to build. They want to call it Staple Center. And I wound up, you know, having a good game in my first game. I don't know if we won or lost, but I lost a lot of games with the Clippers.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
And, yeah, I lost a lot of games with the Clippers. And I was always like looking over, thinking about how I'LL be playing on the other side. And then, you know, and I played one year with Miami and then my agent gave me a call and I had to okay to trade to come here back to la. But that was an easy choice for me because I got a nice little signing bonus. And I knew I was gonna be playing with Bean Bryant, who I've known before the NBA, and I was gonna be able to ride his coattail a little bit, play basketball at the highest level, you know, compete against the best and try to bust their ass. Because, you know, everybody, you know, the Lakers are purple and gold and our jerseys are popular, and we got the probably the best city in the NBA according to what you want to do and how you want to go out. And it was a ride that I'll never forget.
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Mystic Zack
Absolutely. The only thing people, I think, really come back to the little Clippers teams is Donald Sterling. Yeah, that's basically.
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Lamar Odom
He's a nut. Yeah, he was a nut. Yeah. I pray for people who have that mindset, the mentality. I think he got in trouble for using the N word.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah. Sell the team and.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, and that's too bad. You know, he got way too much money to think like that. If you go down Wilshire Boulevard, all you see is down the Sterling buildings down in Sterling this, down in Sterling that.
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Mystic Zack
You had a really strong season with Miami. That was a pretty blockbuster trade. I mean, you're involved Shaq.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, me and the two other players, Karam Butler and Brian Green.
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Mystic Zack
Well, you were the. You were the centerpiece, at least for what the Lakers were acquiring. Is that a compliment that you're involved in a trade for Shaq?
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Lamar Odom
I mean, I think so. Looking at it like, you know, but I mean, that Shaq, he was dominant.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, that's diesel.
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Lamar Odom
But I mean, you could consider it, you know, sometimes I wonder, you know, what if I would have got three or four more years with Dwayne Wade, what could have happened in that beautiful city. But, you know, you never know what's going to happen in life. All we could do was make the best of it. And, you know, LA always had open arms for me and treated me well because of the way I performed with the Clippers. But even in my greatest times with the Clippers, you know, sometimes I feel a little regret to the people you know in la. Cause I was cutting them short. You know, I couldn't be myself if I was, you know, running home, you know, So I think about all the plays I could have made or should have made or, you know, but you know, that time has passed and it's time for me to move on and move forward and live my best life now as we speak.
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Mystic Zack
You had that point forward Bill that we see all over the NBA today. Six, nine with a handle, can pass, can shoot.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, I think, you know, that was a blessing from God to be able to be my height and still maintain his guard attributes. Almost always the way I played basketball, through the eyes of a point guard. No matter what position I played, I was really blessed to pick up on the game and understand it and have a high iq. I basically know the responsibility for every position on the court because I played them and I played hard and it was all a learning experience. But being from New York City, you know, if you don't handle the ball, if you don't got no shakes in your game then. And I remember I went to high school, I was, I started high school, I was six, three and my sophomore season I was six, seven. So yeah, I mean a lot of people would have probably changed their game because of that. But the strength of my game was my height and my handle, as they call it, and my ability to make a play, but my ability to make a play for others, you know, and that started in the park, you know, to get on the court. I was, I was 10, I was 5, 10 and I was, you know, and I was playing, I was playing 15 and under.
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Mystic Zack
How old were you?
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Lamar Odom
10? Yeah, I was 510 when I was 10 years old. And I remember, I remember going to the park and, you know, lying about my age, telling Everybody I was 12. That was just to get on the court. But, you know, once I got on the court, I earned respect. Now I think it was because I understood the science of basketball. You know, it's not rocket science, but there's a science to it. And that's what I was trying to, you know, perfect or be the best at having an all around game. I think when you talk about handling, especially being a big man in the NBA, I think I probably had to be, if you consider me a big man, probably at the end I probably was the. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I don't know a big man that was using his no shaking ability to make his defender move so he can go straight. So I guess you could probably say I'm gonna have the big man, have the best handle probably ever in the NBA. Like you said, I see a lot of, you know, see a lot of six, nine, six, ten guys and they give them the Ball and let them do their thing now. And I can say I. I could say I see myself in all of those guys just a little bit.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah. Positionless basketball today. I mean, I mean, there's one guy who's 7 foot 5 and doesn't look
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Lamar Odom
at Wimby mama, Right?
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
I'm pretty sure he probably, you know, took some Lamar Odom on his book. Yeah, but he's special.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, he's. I mean, if he stays healthy, is there anything stopping him from just being the best ever?
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Lamar Odom
I mean, well, if there's one person that I will pay to watch right now is him. When his games come on, I notice I always find the tv. So I would say because how he plays and who he plays for, San Antonio, they're play the right way. Even though I think he floating a little bit out to the three point line a little bit. But you know, that's the Steph Curry curse. His greatness, you know, hurt the game, but it's not his fault. But I know if I get a kid right now, 10 years old, 8 years old, 9 years old from wherever, and I give him a basketball and we go to the park, he probably gonna shoot the ball from the furthest part, you know what I'm saying? And you know, that's due to Steph Curry's greatness. And he was amazing. He's amazing still. And I hope kids just not learning from him, you know, shooting. I hope they watch how he moves without the basketball.
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Mystic Zack
That's what he said the other day. He's like, if you're a kid playing basketball and you're calling for the ball, like that's whack.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah. I hope that he learns, you know, they learn that part of the game. That's another science part.
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Mystic Zack
How he takes care of his body and just the conditioning it takes. He's 37 years old, running around the court all game. I mean, no one does more than him.
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Lamar Odom
Nah. I mean, the NBA is really kind of hard for me to watch. Like a random game. Everybody play the same way. Yeah, like tired of seeing dribble handoff to a pick and roll snow format. But, you know, that's the way the game is. Guess you gotta change with the times, right?
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, I think you gotta change with the times.
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Lamar Odom
But I mean, triangle offense won 10 NBA championships.
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Mystic Zack
What made Phil so special? Was it the system, the triangle offense? Was it his ability to manage personalities?
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Lamar Odom
Well, I think, I think, you know, every coach, I think to be successful, that's one of the things that you have to you know, learn the most, you know, have the most common sense of. You got, you know, 12 or 15 guys on your team in the locker room. And managing personality is very important. You know, Phil used to give us a book, you know, books before the season. He expected you to read it. And his mental approach, like I was telling you before, you know, we meditated together as a team and meditation is a form of prayer and it was really strong and you know, it definitely brought us together and it was something that a lot of us heard, but we didn't really expect it until we were got in. Got in it.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
And it made a lot of sense when you think about it though. And he used to bring a special specialist, a mindful specialist to come to come teach us manifestation and meditation right around playoff time. His name was George Mumford. I think he got some books out too. So if you want to get a good book, try to exercise your brain, exercise your mind, you know. He was a good guy and it showed. We won game seven being long time rivals right across the street. And that was a beautiful night.
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Mystic Zack
Cause it's. I mean, first he manages Rodman, Pippin, Jordan all together, then he goes to la. Bright lights our test.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, I mean I'm some strong personalities.
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Mystic Zack
There's crazy stuff going on too. Like you're filming a reality show later on. Yeah, I mean, Kobe is Kobe.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah. I'm probably the only person, the sports figure that was able to film successful reality show while in season. That was the year I won six minute a year. And some people be thinking things are unattainable or that you can't do them. But with the support of the Lakers And Jeannie and Dr. Buss, God bless the dad, they okayed it and I was able to pull that off. The cameras was always rolling. From time to wake up, to practice, to I'm ending my night. And it was worthwhile. I think my, you know, my connection with that family still gives me some. What's the word? I'm looking for some social notability, you know, even to this day. And that was a blessing as well.
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Mystic Zack
Absolutely. Do you think it may motivated you a little bit more?
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Lamar Odom
I think so. Just because people thought that I couldn't do it or people probably were expecting me to, you know, to fail, for me to fall off a little bit on the court. So it kind of kept a fire lit under my ass. Yeah. You know, the fire that I always had to play basketball. I knew and especially in la, a strong media, almost as strong as New York. And I Didn't want to get ripped, you know, looking up the paper every day like, oh, time to, you know, get off the show, or whatever people may say. It definitely acted as if I had another coach. Basically, it definitely pushed me in the right way. But no matter what the coaching style is or who's coaching, I think because how I was raised, I'm able to adapt. I like to listen, I love to learn, and I'm not gonna be disrespectful. Not gonna be disrespectful. Especially when somebody's trying to make me or his team better. You know, I hear a lot of the generation now, they got the bad reputation for being uncoachable. And, you know, I can say to all those young guys like, you probably good, but, you know, of my generation, I could say Kobe Bryant was probably the best generation, generational player of my generation. You know, I mean, should. He had 81 points, you know, nine game winners, one season, walk off. Three, two, one, we win. He had nine of them in one season. And I remember this ninth one, we were in Milwaukee, and I remember him being on the back of the bus, sitting right next to me and Derek Fisher. And you know how sometimes after a game, your adrenaline is still running, still flowing, and he was just mumbling, I'm better than Mike. I'm better than Mike. I was looking at him like, you bugging. But, you know, that's how competitive he was. Because a lot of players, that was a race that they wouldn't want to run even with a head start, and, you know, from playing with them and. And being in the trenches with him, like you said, you know, he made that a goal. And so if a lot of people say he even came close to it. And I think you've seen it in this play. I think the world's seen it in this play. I was talking to my friend about this the other day, like the on the court responsibility, playing in la. And I could say showing up every night, every night, no matter what, he gave these people their money's worth. I mean, even his last game.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, 60.
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Lamar Odom
Even when he hurt himself and couldn't play no more. Hit the free throws, the Achilles tendon injury, you know, and wherever he at, he's not too far away. I think his sneaker might be the most worn sneaker in the NBA.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
And we know, we all know how popular Jordan sneakers were, so I could imagine what would be going on if he was still here.
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Mystic Zack
What was your relationship like with him off the court?
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Lamar Odom
Amazing. It was cool. I was like, you know, there was one book that, that I was reading and was it. I think it was his book. Might have been his book. And he called me the glue. I don't think that was the glue on the court. I think it was more like the glue, like the locker room dude. You know what I mean? I make sure everybody was laughing and in good mood.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
You know, me just being myself seemed to ease people, you know, because he was always, you know, at 9:30 in the morning before. I don't know if you've ever seen this clip before. We about to jump ball in practice and he just elbow Shasha Vujicic in the chest like his own. And I think we all kind of adapted to that mentality a little bit.
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Mystic Zack
And he was the guy who always expected the best out of his teammates, didn't accept anything less.
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Lamar Odom
That's the mom mentality.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
You know, because that's how he was living for real. And you know, he put it out all the time, you know, playing with him, you know, you going into arena, you confident just because he's with you.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
And that definitely made us all better and alert and bonded us. You know, probably those championship teams probably bonded us forever. We got a bond that can never be broken. Shout out to anybody that was on my team. And at those times we don't really see each other much, but they always in my heart and my prayers and my mind.
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Mystic Zack
Absolutely. He ever get in your case about the candy or anything?
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Lamar Odom
Nah, nah. We never really bumped heads about anything. After we bumped heads. It was about a play, you know, I mean that, you know, maybe I wasn't paying attention or I wasn't there. I didn't execute or. But nah, nah, everybody know that was my thing.
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Mystic Zack
No, that was like the thing when you first run the Kardashians, I remember like they would show the cutaways. Were you with all your candies?
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, my ex wife. I had a whole. I had a whole. My own man cave and it was, it was full of candy. And I love candy to this day. But, you know, I learned something from my rehab stint. I'm like, like five points away from being diabetic and I gotta watch my pop Tart intake.
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Mystic Zack
What Pop Tart flavor?
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Lamar Odom
You go for every one of them, they got a new one called banana bread. It's really good.
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Mystic Zack
What was your peak candy intake? Like, how much were you eating?
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Lamar Odom
Oh, man, I can't even really, man. My man Mac, who used to take care of me, he was like my manny. Shout out to Mac Anthony McNair, another New York City basketball legend. But I mean, I just bags everything because you can never have enough candy, you know what I mean? At that point in my life. But I gotta watch that now. I don't want nobody chopping my foot off.
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Mystic Zack
You're not burning as many calories.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah. Cause I want to eat candy. That don't make no sense.
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Mystic Zack
No, definitely not you. You talk about it. We also talk about wanting to move past that. The what ifs, the, you know, what could I have done different? But knowing that, you know, only thing you can do is continue to move forward.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah.
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Mystic Zack
Did that take a while?
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Lamar Odom
Well, it's like, you know, if you have. If you're addict and you practice sobriety is, you know, day to day. Yeah, right. And so I guess that's like my outlook in life on anything that I want to do. You know, it's really. It's God's plans. Right. In his time. You know, some things that we might want. You know, there's been millionaires because of social media and everything. They make millions of dollars in a year. But, you know, you can still keep to the same plan. But God might say you have to make 10 years or 20 years, but I think as long as you stay focused and keep the creator first, you know, anything is possible.
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Mystic Zack
You said it's tough for you to watch some basketball games, but what else are you watching at home? Any other sports, TV shows, movies? Talks about Moses.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah. And it's funny cause I was watching Netflix the other day. I'm like, damn. Like, it's so much to pick from.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
And you know, like, even if I'm watching tv, I like to watch something that maybe I'm gonna learn from a little bit. Or I still don't know how to cook, but I don't know, I just try to watch stuff that I can learn from. I love the ID channel too, but even though I'm not trying to learn how to kill nobody. But yeah, I like the ID channel as well too. Oh, no, I just. I like tv, of course. I like sports. Baseball seasons about to run back around. I can't wait.
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Mystic Zack
Wait, one in the Dodgers game. Of course, we got our guy, Dave Roberts, who's Dave Robertson, the manager.
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Lamar Odom
Okay.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah. Yeah, he's dope. Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, he's dope.
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Mystic Zack
He's the man.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, he is dope. But that I don't know. Where's Otan?
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Mystic Zack
Japan. Yeah, he's Japanese to the manager. You know that.
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Lamar Odom
I didn't know that.
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Mystic Zack
He's Half Japanese, half black, half Japanese.
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Lamar Odom
Okay, I can see that.
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Mystic Zack
So that's why they get all the.
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Lamar Odom
Yeah, I can see that's kind of crazy. Well. Oh, Tani is a. A beast. And he's one of the best to watch. I mean, control the game from the mound, and then you're gonna hit three forearm runs like he did this past season. It was definitely inspiring watching him play baseball. Yeah, he plays hard, too. He's in a great market. They pay him well, and he does. He's making inspiring probably to a lot of. For me, I'm an adult, and watching him is playing some inspiration. So I can imagine being a. A little Leaguer, you know, watching him play and players like that don't really come around a lot. And I just hope never. Yeah, I just hope that everybody's soaking it in.
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Mystic Zack
One on a one in 10 billion.
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Lamar Odom
It's number 17, right? Yeah, I hope everybody's soaking it in and buying Ohtani jerseys. Buying number 17 jerseys. I know we getting a lot of love in la. Yeah. But he's definitely inspirational.
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Mystic Zack
You believe that it was his translator gambling, or do you think it was him?
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Lamar Odom
I don't know. That's another thing with sports right now. I try not to follow that because I don't think sports gambling was as big when I was playing.
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Mystic Zack
No.
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Lamar Odom
And, You know, even for a guy that has a $200 million contract, you know, you putting it in his face like that, if he can make an extra, you know, but sports gambling really don't stop. There's no peak on how high you can go.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
And I just hope that all the leagues have that under control.
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Mystic Zack
Seem like they do.
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Lamar Odom
I mean, you can't really.
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Mystic Zack
You got NBA coaches getting arrested, players,
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Lamar Odom
you give it to the people. Yeah.
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Mystic Zack
The mafia is involved so much.
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Lamar Odom
Well, everybody know the mafia has something to do with gambling. And then you add the sports. I just hope it don't carry over to a guy's performance.
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Mystic Zack
You never got an offer to throw a game? Even high school? Nothing.
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Lamar Odom
No, honestly, I could say no.
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Mystic Zack
That's good.
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Lamar Odom
And I always play at a high level and kind of respect the game too much to even entertain anything.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
You know, but, you know, some of these dudes, you know, they train their hardest and give their heart to a game. Give their. Put all in in a game. All their heart into a game. And I would hope to see the game get stained by a player making a bad decision to fatten his pockets a little bit.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
I hope the league, they should try to do Something about that.
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Mystic Zack
All the leagues, the Lakers are real rocky right now.
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Lamar Odom
They don't play no defense. They don't play no defense. I don't know if they have to make a. Move. I don't know if it's coaching, I don't know if it's the players, but the effort and the energy is not there every night. And you know, everybody can score the ball but nobody want to defend it. They want to put that effort and energy into defense and defensive rebounding. Defense is a team game in every sport, especially football and you know, in basketball, shit, baseball even too. Your team don't grip up then, you know, you could expect to lose any game you should expect to lose. And in NBA you got all these, you know, great shooters day to day. I, you know, I rather, I love the game. I think I'd rather watch college basketball right now.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, well, the Lakers are soft. Yeah, there's a lot of whining. They're tough to watch. They really are.
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Lamar Odom
I mean, well, the game is softer.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah. I'm just being objective. Like Luka, one of the greatest offensive players ever, but he cries every single possession.
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Lamar Odom
Well, he's probably spoiled.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, it's really tough to watch.
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Lamar Odom
He's been an NBA, he's been a pro since he was 13 years old.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah.
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Lamar Odom
Or 14 or 15. And, and I don't think they probably ever even asked him to get three stops in a row.
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Mystic Zack
No.
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Lamar Odom
And just because.
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Mystic Zack
And he's got the size and ability, if he really wanted to, he could do it.
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Lamar Odom
He's the first person on the basketball. If you're the point guard.
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Mystic Zack
Yeah, yeah.
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Lamar Odom
So I think that energy translate with him and then the coaching too. It's like you have to push him to play defense and you have to let your team know like yo, you know, we have a weak defensive player so we have to come around with schemes and you know, cutting the floor off. Especially when his man has the ball and is being aggressive. But I love watching him, you know, I was a, you know, a 6, 7, 68 point guard one time in my career too. I'm obviously he's one of the best players in the NBA.
- [30:24]
Mystic Zack
Oh yeah, he's an all time great.
- [30:26]
Lamar Odom
But it's just, you know, in the NBA they got this thing called what makes me sick to a two way player. Like yeah, you know, when you have the ball, you're on offense. When you don't have it, you're on defense.
- [30:39]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [30:40]
Lamar Odom
I think a two way player should be anybody's mentality who's playing the NBA.
- [30:45]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. No, none of them really have that mentality. It seems like I would hate to
- [30:49]
Lamar Odom
be called two way player. So it's like, what do you mean? I'm a two way player. I'm playing basketball, you know, So I think that starts a lot with these, with the coaches. You know, the coaches kind of fall into how the game is being played and not the way it should be played. Then the Lakers, I don't know, they got the big center kid, you know, but they knew his game before they got him. Well, Aiden.
- [31:27]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's.
- [31:29]
Lamar Odom
Yeah, he was.
- [31:29]
Mystic Zack
He's complaining a lot.
- [31:31]
Lamar Odom
He was always more of a. A finesse, score first.
- [31:39]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [31:40]
Lamar Odom
Type of center.
- [31:41]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [31:41]
Lamar Odom
I was reading one article and he said, were they trying to turn me into a Clint Compeller? He said that Clint Capella's a great player. He's a rim protector. I think the Lakers probably needed more,
- [31:52]
Mystic Zack
probably better than him.
- [31:53]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. I think the Lakers needed more of somebody with that type of mentality.
- [31:57]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [31:58]
Lamar Odom
And you know, that type of mentality spreads.
- [32:03]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [32:04]
Lamar Odom
You know, then everybody gonna want to get stops and take charges and do the nitty gritty things that it takes to win consistently.
- [32:14]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [32:15]
Lamar Odom
And I don't. I don't, you know, I don't know how the Lakers got away from the Triangle.
- [32:19]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. Like, it worked pretty good.
- [32:23]
Lamar Odom
I'm only 110 NBA championships and like, you know, we're all around still. I'm pretty sure if they ask me, Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol, and the Triangle is a small fraternity of us that know it.
- [32:40]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [32:41]
Lamar Odom
And you know that. And that's within that small fraternity. All of us have won consistent championships, have been able to follow up a championship with a championship.
- [32:56]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [32:56]
Lamar Odom
They got the formula. You know, I spoke to Palinka and he said the kids don't want to run it out of his mouth. I'm like, are we representing the back of the jersey or the front of the jersey?
- [33:15]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [33:16]
Lamar Odom
Because, you know, all bullshit aside, I have a lot of Laker pride.
- [33:24]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [33:25]
Lamar Odom
You know what I'm saying? Everybody who's ever been around me knows that I always want and expect them to do well. And when I. When they don't or not on a consistent basis, I mean. And then you in la, bro, like, this is the home of the winners. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at that place, you know, right down from us. It should be called Kobe's Crib.
- [33:54]
Mystic Zack
Literally.
- [33:56]
Lamar Odom
Just because how he put out every night for this town. And you know, I Hope they get it together. They'll get it together hopefully in the playoffs and think so. Try to get some stops. Got a time to take it back to, like, practice.
- [34:14]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. I don't think this, like, core can all work together because they. Davis was so perfect as he played, you know, great defense and cleaned everything up.
- [34:21]
Lamar Odom
And I don't think it was a bad trade. I just.
- [34:25]
Mystic Zack
Oh, for the future. It's the best trade, but the current, it's tough.
- [34:28]
Lamar Odom
I think you have to just adapt and sometimes you got to start over a little bit. I think in life.
- [34:33]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [34:33]
Lamar Odom
We got to adapt on a fly.
- [34:35]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. Yeah.
- [34:35]
Lamar Odom
You know, if you don't, things will go past you and get past you.
- [34:38]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [34:42]
Lamar Odom
I mean, I don't. I don't want to stand for two or three more seasons. If I don't, then they, you know. Nation.
- [34:50]
Mystic Zack
Well. I think LeBron's gone after this.
- [34:53]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. Age I think is caught up to him.
- [34:55]
Mystic Zack
Finally only took 22 years, but that's, you know.
- [34:59]
Lamar Odom
You know, every athlete he had the great.
- [35:01]
Mystic Zack
He had LeBron love him or hate him. Greatest longevity in the history of sports.
- [35:05]
Lamar Odom
I don't. Even if somebody says they hate LeBron,
- [35:08]
Mystic Zack
and then you're always gonna have critics. So people hate it on Kobe, too.
- [35:12]
Lamar Odom
What you call a player hater?
- [35:14]
Mystic Zack
Player hater. Yeah.
- [35:16]
Lamar Odom
You know, because, you know, he was getting, you know.
- [35:19]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [35:20]
Lamar Odom
In his career, but he always played the right way.
- [35:22]
Mystic Zack
22 years. Finally took like a step back.
- [35:26]
Lamar Odom
If the guy's open, then you should pass it.
- [35:29]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [35:30]
Lamar Odom
You know, if not, then, you know, you're good enough. Take the shot. But I've been in love with his game and how he played it and, you know, obviously takes care of his body.
- [35:43]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [35:45]
Lamar Odom
And that's a job in itself if you want to play.
- [35:48]
Mystic Zack
Well, he said he spends a million dollars a year on it.
- [35:50]
Lamar Odom
I'm not surprised. If you want to play on the highest level at this level, I have nothing respect but respect for LeBron James and how he commended himself on the court, how he attacks the court. I mean, you know, I think every father, All the fathers that are my age, we love LeBron James because he did what all the CEOs do to have sons. They bring him right along with him.
- [36:27]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [36:29]
Lamar Odom
And you know, shit. Now which player? I don't know. No player that would turn down that opportunity.
- [36:37]
Mystic Zack
No. They say no. They're lying.
- [36:40]
Lamar Odom
To be on the same team as your baby boy.
- [36:44]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [36:45]
Lamar Odom
You know, I mean, if he only did that and was. He have no championships. He's a Champion in my eyes. Just for that. I mean, goshly, you think about, you know, him being a number one pick at 18, that 18 year old boy, you probably couldn't convince him that his bronnie was going to be on the same team with him. Yeah, one day. No, it was like the ultimate CEO corporate move. And you know, the NBA is a player's league and obviously he has a lot of power to make that happen because there were probably some, you know, some dudes that, you know, didn't get picked.
- [37:32]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [37:33]
Lamar Odom
But I would have did the same thing for sure.
- [37:39]
Mystic Zack
One last thing I want to touch on. I want to get a little bit more in depth about the Netflix doc. Oh, and in the trailer you say the afterlife is different than they say it's not often you see someone alive that knows what it's like to be dead.
- [37:53]
Lamar Odom
That was. I had a dream about Kobe when I was, I was shooting a reality show. I don't know if you ever heard of it, it's called Big Brother. But. That's probably one of the toughest things I ever had to do. And you know, my man came to me in a dream. And it's how, you know it was a dream because we were having a three point shootout, we having a shooting contest, but Billy Crystal was hosting it. So, you know, you know, obviously I'm dreaming. You know what I'm saying? I don't even know how you host a three point shootout shooting contest. But you know, Kobe was so great at his shot making because I'm left handed. So when I step into my shot, I, I step right. Left, you right handed. So when you step into your shot, you step left, right? Well, he was so ambidextrous with his footwork that it didn't matter which foot he stepped into, he was able to make the shot, you know, with his right hand. So we're having a three point. We're having a shooting contest. And I remember this vividly. I get to the top of the key and it's a little too deep. And so I step left, right. Then I'm copying him. So the next one I take right, left. It was a little too deep. I missed it. I missed it. And I took it again and I made it. And then we got to the right side of it and he just stopped. He looked back at me, he said, hello, the afterlife is not what people make it up to be. And then I woke up shortly after that. And that just made me think, like, what is he trying to say? Like, you know, could Be. He missed everybody. You know, it could mean a multiple of things. Maybe he's still traveling, you know, to where he ever got, wherever he has to go or have to get. I don't know what it meant, but I just take it as, like, you know, live your best life now.
- [40:15]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [40:16]
Lamar Odom
You know, don't sell yourself short because I died, and I can't tell you where we go. Where we going. You know what I mean? And, yeah, it's just. I think there's a lot in life, you know, that we all live for, whether it's your friends, your family, you know, money, whatever you fall in love with. You, like, love it now because we've seen from his accident, like, nobody's promised him all.
- [40:51]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [40:53]
Lamar Odom
And I think that's the, you know, the biggest lesson that I learned from his life, because when he. When he passed away, when I got the news, I was in Atlanta and I was with my man. He passed away. So Rip. Yeah, I was with my man, and. And he. He was throwing up, you know, and I'm. I'm his brother and. Or whatever. The way the world spins and rotates, it felt like it started turning the other way. I remember coming back here from his funeral, and I could like. Like that Beanie Siegel Phil Collins song. You feel it in the air, the gut punch, like. Like it could grief. And, you know, we don't. No one knows. I don't know what my time is. My grandmother. I got one grandmother's. My mother's mother passed away on her 80th birthday, June 29. And that's a special birthday for me because that's also the day that my son passed away from SIDS, you know, June 29th. And that's when I wasn't living right. Sometimes I ask myself if I was home, because I was out all night. And I'm just trying to be present as much as possible now that I'm 46. I'm 46. But my grandmother. I got one grandmother. She's been in the same project apartment for 70 years.
- [42:48]
Mystic Zack
70 years.
- [42:49]
Lamar Odom
Word. She 99 years old.
- [42:51]
Mystic Zack
Oh, my God.
- [42:53]
Lamar Odom
So I figure, you know, if I got one grandmother that live in a project building for 70 years and she 99, I think, you know, because of, you know, my ability to take care of myself and get a gig or two. Yeah, I respect my. You know, I'm talking right now, but I think I could live to. Moses lived till he was, what, 120? I think I got a buck in me.
- [43:18]
Mystic Zack
All right. You know, I like it.
- [43:21]
Lamar Odom
I'M need a lot of track outfits or something easy. Something that look good, that's easy to put on. But, yeah, you know, I think I got a buck in me. If I, you know, keep my head on straight and, you know, love my fellow man and keep my soul right, then why not my guy?
- [43:48]
Mystic Zack
Yeah, I want to see it.
- [43:50]
Lamar Odom
Well, I'm gonna do it. You probably won't be here. If I live to 100. You might be dead, bro, but I'll be dead. I'm just saying, if I live to
- [43:59]
Mystic Zack
100, that's like, I'm gonna be alive.
- [44:03]
Lamar Odom
I' ma say, you're gonna be like, I'm gonna put that.
- [44:04]
Mystic Zack
I'll be 78. That's not that bad.
- [44:08]
Lamar Odom
Yeah, no, you're right. You got a shot. But it's just like. It's just like sometimes Jewish.
- [44:13]
Mystic Zack
We got good doctors.
- [44:14]
Lamar Odom
Sometimes I think about my grandmother's like, she ain't like, we her only friends. Think about that. If you live till you 99, all your buddies and all like, no, true. They.
- [44:26]
Mystic Zack
They go, yeah, they're gone.
- [44:27]
Lamar Odom
You know what I'm saying? Like, they out of here. Yeah. I would say my life. I mean, especially coming from a dude that died before, you know, I got, you know, God put me here for a reason, too. I don't know if it was to spread the word or sobriety or. I don't know. But once I get it down, Pack ain't gonna be no stopping me. But he definitely spared me. I had 12 strokes and six heart attacks when I was in the coma.
- [45:05]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [45:07]
Lamar Odom
You know, when I woke up, I couldn't walk or talk. They said I wasn't gonna ever walk or talk again.
- [45:13]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [45:15]
Lamar Odom
And I'm having a conversation with you right now. I was, you know, getting my diaper change and see the sign now every three hours, bro.
- [45:23]
Mystic Zack
Yeah, I. Like I told you, but, like, my mother, traumatic brain injury. I was 13. They said, like, if she lives, she's not going to walk or talk, you know?
- [45:35]
Lamar Odom
Yeah.
- [45:35]
Mystic Zack
And she was in a wheelchair, and now she's perfect.
- [45:38]
Lamar Odom
It's crazy. God.
- [45:40]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [45:40]
Lamar Odom
God is good all the time.
- [45:42]
Mystic Zack
She's probably sharper than before that. It's nuts.
- [45:46]
Lamar Odom
Crazy how the body works, man, how it protects itself through trauma.
- [45:52]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [45:53]
Lamar Odom
You know, only he has answers for that. Because I'm like a medical miracle. When my doctors tell me, in the
- [45:58]
Mystic Zack
same, like, addictive type personality, like.
- [46:00]
Lamar Odom
Yeah.
- [46:01]
Mystic Zack
Like, if we get. Like, there's a box of popsicles, like, I'll have one, she'll have 12.
- [46:05]
Lamar Odom
Yeah.
- [46:06]
Mystic Zack
My mom. What? What? Why would you have so many?
- [46:09]
Lamar Odom
But it's just they pronounced me dead a couple. There was a couple of times my family told me, like the doctor said, you know, y' all might want to see him this one last time.
- [46:18]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [46:19]
Lamar Odom
You know, so you were.
- [46:21]
Mystic Zack
You're definitely in life number two or three.
- [46:23]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. So for me to be able to beat that, you know, like a cat. Yeah. I ain't get the nine yet, but I'm not.
- [46:31]
Mystic Zack
You were close.
- [46:32]
Lamar Odom
Yeah.
- [46:32]
Mystic Zack
12 stroke, six heart attacks.
- [46:34]
Lamar Odom
You were. I don't even really want to. You know, if you partying, then I'll leave the room. You know what I'm saying?
- [46:40]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. No good.
- [46:43]
Lamar Odom
You know, and this is a place where you can get anything anywhere.
- [46:46]
Mystic Zack
Oh, LA is tough. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, me and my friends were like the only sober house in la. It's.
- [46:52]
Lamar Odom
I know. Tell my man Marcel I said, what's up?
- [46:56]
Mystic Zack
No, we're going to tell Marcel I said, what's up?
- [46:58]
Lamar Odom
But, you know, life is too good and it's too short.
- [47:03]
Mystic Zack
One last thing. Today I think people were surprised that Chloe, your ex wife, is one of like the main people in the doc. How did that come about?
- [47:12]
Lamar Odom
I don't know. You would have to ask them.
- [47:14]
Mystic Zack
Oh, Netflix took care of it.
- [47:15]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. Because, you know, my last time being around her, it was like, I can't. I only think I could pair it to. Is like being in detention with the principal, you know, one on one. But it takes time for us to heal because, you know, it seems like it just happened yesterday.
- [47:46]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [47:48]
Lamar Odom
At least to me. And so, you know, you're dealing with a woman and, you know, you're doing a coming out or women coming out to the tabloids.
- [48:01]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [48:03]
Lamar Odom
You know, that's probably one of my worst, my biggest mistakes ever is that I told God that I was going to take care of this woman and be with her forever and stepped out on her. It's like I just lied to God in his face and you know, death could. Divorce could be like death. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I'm not in contact with even my brother Rob, you know, who, you know, wasn't staged or it wasn't part of the script for me and him to get along the way we did.
- [48:45]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [48:46]
Lamar Odom
You know, But you know, even in death, even when people pass on and they're long ahead, you still have to live your life and move on and try to turn shit into sugar and, you know, it's painful, but that's something that I regret and I'm. You know, mentally, I'll be paying for it probably for the rest of my life.
- [49:17]
Mystic Zack
You can tell in the clip that, like, the love is still there, you know?
- [49:20]
Lamar Odom
Well, you know, I mean. I mean, honestly, you don't marry somebody in 30 days and then forget about them.
- [49:33]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [49:34]
Lamar Odom
You know what I mean?
- [49:36]
Mystic Zack
I can't imagine that. I don't think most people can like me either.
- [49:42]
Lamar Odom
And then for two people in the position that we were in, you know, she didn't even. Odin and I didn't need to be the first black Kardashian.
- [49:52]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [49:54]
Lamar Odom
You know what I'm saying? It just happened that way. Everything was, you know, genuine.
- [50:04]
Mystic Zack
We got some more after.
- [50:05]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. The love that they show for Kanye, you know, you. You know, you can't. You know, I don't think Kanye. Marry Kim.
- [50:13]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. Yeah. They got, what, four kids?
- [50:15]
Lamar Odom
Yeah, yeah. He was second.
- [50:19]
Mystic Zack
He was second.
- [50:21]
Lamar Odom
But, yeah, you know, that love was. It was genuine. And I think that's what my. Me and her show was so special, too, because it really wasn't scripted. We just went off of how we felt.
- [50:34]
Mystic Zack
Yeah.
- [50:35]
Lamar Odom
And we were at. At the time. Yeah. I think about that life and that lifestyle. Just imagine a Lalaika married to a Kardashians. Like, the red carpet rolled out everywhere you go.
- [50:51]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. No, it's a movie script.
- [50:53]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. So it was an amazing time, and it's probably worth the movie, I would say, but story for another day.
- [51:05]
Mystic Zack
Another story for another day.
- [51:06]
Lamar Odom
Yeah.
- [51:06]
Mystic Zack
Appreciate you coming through it. I'm happy to see you. You sober and out of rehab and doing well.
- [51:13]
Lamar Odom
Oh, man. The best is yet to come, little brother. The best is yet to come. I feel like. Yeah. Because it feel like my third life.
- [51:26]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. So third time's the charm.
- [51:28]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. I've never, you know, I'm like, what, 35 days sober right now? And. I feel good. You know, I try to look it. I gotta get used to wearing these glasses. Like I told you, they look like
- [51:47]
Mystic Zack
you're about to drop a book or something.
- [51:48]
Lamar Odom
Yeah.
- [51:48]
Mystic Zack
It's a good, distinguished look.
- [51:50]
Lamar Odom
Yeah, but that's a front. That's why people wear glasses and. Yeah, a little bit, but you know what I'm saying. But I needed him.
- [51:59]
Mystic Zack
Yeah. No, you dressed.
- [52:00]
Lamar Odom
You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm at this.
- [52:02]
Mystic Zack
I'd buy your book.
- [52:03]
Lamar Odom
Yeah. I'm at the screen. I'm squinting. So I was like. When I was in rehab, I had made a eye appointment for a doctor, and my father used to wear glasses. Not these style but I'm gonna change the style up a little bit, make them more like the Joe Odom look.
- [52:24]
Mystic Zack
All right.
- [52:25]
Lamar Odom
As times come. So next time I see you, I have a different pair.
- [52:28]
Mystic Zack
You might need some buffs, you know, some diamonds in there, some gazelle glasses
- [52:33]
Lamar Odom
or something like that. All right? Oh man.
- [52:39]
Mystic Zack
Appreciate you for coming on. Any last words?
- [52:41]
Lamar Odom
Tell the fans I love you for loving me. Take care of yourself.
- [52:47]
Mystic Zack
We out.
- [52:50]
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