A (1:19)

Yeah, I mean, y'. All. I feel like y' all championship was that 83 point game. Yeah, that's enough. I felt good about your little BAM jersey on.

B (1:27)

Cool.

A (1:27)

Appreciate that.

B (1:27)

That'll get me over.

A (1:28)

Have fun with it. Have fun with it. If you want to come up during a parade in June, just hit me now. We friends. You could tap in.

B (1:36)

No dope. You're going to be in Oklahoma.

A (1:38)

I'm sorry, what now? That's the wrong orange and blue team. That's the wrong orange and blue team. They blue was a little funny.

B (1:45)

It's a little funny. What makes the Knicks viable contenders going to this postseason? Because a lot of people are doubting them. You see, they're behind the Cavs and the odds even.

A (1:56)

Well, we the most complete team. That's not Just a biased thing, I feel like. And last year we overachieved, so we got one more year of overachieving. So we overachieve again. Now we in the Finals, you know, And I feel like, you know, if Indiana could take OKC to seven, yeah, we would have beat them.

B (2:17)

Why do you think people are doubting the Knicks this postseason? Because the Cavs ahead of them was kind of crazy because you guys beat the Celtics last year. You know what I'm saying?

A (2:24)

There's. I mean, it's the fun thing to do, to doubt the Knicks. Like, we got fans like me, and then Oklahoma. Like, what fans they got that you know of? I don't know why exactly. What fans do Indiana? Nobody. Nobody. That's what I'm saying. So it's cool to just be like, oh, Nick's gonna lose. I be walking through the streets. Airports, Knicks suck. Why? Where you from? And, you know, I learned that it's like a running joke that Stephen A started.

B (2:50)

Yeah, your uncle. Yeah, that's where I think a lot of people seen. That's where I had seen you. But you're coming up with your own show. But talk to me about growing up with your uncle.

A (3:00)

You know, he. It was almost like having an NBA dad. So I'm a kid. I was born in the 80s, so that's when guys used to just have kids and just go on with their life. And then the mother and her family raised the kids. So that was Stephen A. My mother raising me. So. And he's something else y' all seeing. Y' all get the corporate TV version of him, and I get the Hollis Queens raised in the house type type stuff. So when you see us interacting, it all makes sense when you learn our dynamic.

B (3:34)

Yeah, but are you guys, like, debating about sports at home?

A (3:37)

Nope. It's never sports because we like the same teams, we mad at the same things and stuff like that. We debate about, like, my behavior or things he may say that I don't agree with on TV and stuff like that. That's what we debate about everything. Where people are, like, coming down on him. He ignores them because me and him already had the argument right away. As soon as he comes off for

B (3:57)

his take, I'm texting him, what's your day to day? Like, are you helping him with his stuff, keeping him current?

A (4:03)

Yeah, well, I got. I got. I got two kids of my own. My son is 13. He's on his way on some media stuff, too. So I kind of wanted to do, like a. You know, how they used to come straight out of high school to play the NBA. I want him to do straight out of junior high with media like, you gonna be in 9th grade covering high school sports. And he gonna do it in a big way. Cause he comes from, you know, we got all these resources and stuff. He gonna use it. I'm bring him here in the summertime.

B (4:27)

I did the same thing. I had my first sports show when I was 14, so.

A (4:31)

Yeah, see that? Yeah, yeah, There you go. I gotta bring him here so you could tell him that sometimes he needs to hear those stories.

B (4:36)

No, you gotta start. Cause you watch your progression through the years. You know, I started social media when I was 17. Then you. He already has the doors through his family, but you got to make your own door sometimes, right?

A (4:48)

So what made you do this podcast?

B (4:50)

Oh, man, I was. I was doing different shows throughout the years. My first shows with Jadakiss.

A (4:54)

Right.

B (4:54)

Kissing the miss on World Star. From there, I did a show with Pac man, packing Zach couple years, and then said, I want to kind of branch out, do my own thing, tap into all the things that I thought I'd been missing previously, and start my own independent, you know?

A (5:09)

Yeah, yeah. No, it's working out for you. I like this whole thing right here. I like it all.

B (5:13)

Yeah. Appreciate that.

A (5:15)

Yeah. What's the next plan? What's the next plan? Because we're gonna follow your blueprint.

B (5:18)

Are we gonna follow the blueprint? Well, I'm just trying to go all basketball.

A (5:21)

You.

B (5:21)

You didn't want to go down the UFC route at all. So it seems like the basketball rabbit hole is where we're at.

A (5:25)

Yeah, that's where we at. Yeah. Yeah.

B (5:27)

But you. You were kind of just dismissive of Bam's 83 points.

A (5:31)

I felt like, no, no, no, I ain't gonna do that, because I know that it's hard to score. I will never. Not 83 points, but the way he got it. When I see Bam, But I've seen. I spent last summer in Miami, and I'm coming up in this thing. So me and him, we got a little bit acquainted. I want to know what's being told to the team when he was chasing the record. Because when you're fouling on purpose, that makes it a little ingenuous. Like, I remember Kobe's 81, and it's a lie when they say he needed every point. Cause the lakers was up 16 when he was chasing 82. So it's not like Kobe's whole thing was like, oh, we need every basket. But Bam and Them was like when you trying to stop the clock in order for him to run it up. That made it a little.

B (6:14)

No, I saw a guy be like, ah, they needed all those points. Like, that's what I'm like. That's not true.

A (6:20)

Yeah. Nah, definitely not true. Come on. They play the game every January 22nd. Now, what I would say if I was Bam or a fan of Bam. I don't care how he got the points. Every. Whatever date it was, March, whatever, you better run that game back the same way they do Kobe.

B (6:35)

Yeah. No, but better.

A (6:37)

What? What do you mean better?

B (6:38)

More points.

A (6:39)

Nah, don't do that. See, we ain't gonna do that.

B (6:41)

Yo, he's seen the kid shoot the thing. He goes, bam.

A (6:44)

Bam. Yeah, don't do that. See what I'm saying? Don't get out of control like that with this Miami stuff.

B (6:49)

It is funny though. Like. No, it is good. But some people are too dis, like hating OD.

A (6:54)

Yeah.

B (6:54)

Like, go score 83 at like a shoot around. Matter of fact. Like, do it with like, you know, high schoolers or anything. Like wheelchair kids. Like, it's tough to score 83 points.

A (7:05)

So. You know the thing about the 83 point game, right? Like I just said, they play Kobe's every year, annually. Do you think you'd be able to watch BAM's 83 again?

B (7:15)

Nah, I don't think anything.

A (7:16)

You wouldn't. Cause you don't want to see 45 free throws being shot.

B (7:19)

Yeah. And the Wizards, that was bad.

A (7:21)

And it's the Wizards. There you go. So it's not that I'm on BM's performance.

B (7:25)

The Wizards kind of ruined it, huh? The Wizards were not helping. They were like fouling and making it ugly.

A (7:31)

Right. It almost looked like we want to be part of this record too. Foulum.

B (7:35)

Yeah, yeah. That was not. That was not ideal. They couldn't triple team. That was bad.

A (7:39)

You know what? We talking a little bit too much about the eliminated.

B (7:42)

Let's talk about the Knicks, the soon to be eliminated. So a lot of people are downing them against the Hawks. Even. You've seen the ESPN picks. They're all like, nixon seven. Nixon seven.

A (7:55)

Why is it seven? And that's a disrespect, too. I can't wait until they stop being scared and let me on. Like, you know, these real. The broadcast channels and stuff like that. The podcasting is cool, but I need to be with Kendrick, Perkins and them. They be wrong three times a morning. I could do that. Pay me. So I'm picking New York now, like, I picked them last year against the Celtics. And after game two, we go up 20 in Boston. Oh, Knicks looking. Oh, now we look. Y' all are professionals. Why y' all can't see it ahead? So that's why I'm here.

B (8:29)

Who's a better New York Knick? I had this argument in the barbershop, and I want to get your take. Carmelo Anthony or Jalen Brunson?

A (8:38)

Jalen Brunson's the more successful Knick. He ain't better than Melo. He ain't better than Melody. You'll never get me to say that. And I call him Michael Jalen Brunson because he'll average 26, 27 during the year. And then the players go up to 32, 33. So it's like you turn it up when it matter, but I still can't put you above Melo. You know why the Knicks is? They're a corny bunch. That's my team. I could say it. I watch them. They're a corny bunch. Like, they're not somebody you want to hang out with outside of the. You only want to watch the game. And I'm kind of cool with that because we stay out of trouble, we don't get technical fouls. Some might mistake us for being a P word, too, but we got Jose Alvarado. Now, I like, you know, add that little bit of toughness, and we gonna see. We're gonna see how we rock out this year.

B (9:25)

Nah, Brunson's got like that halo effect in the playoffs where he's different for sure. Balls in his hand late. Like at 5 foot 11, he's. He's different. He really is.

A (9:34)

Don't make him shorter than he is. He's. He's six one.

B (9:37)

Is he six one?

A (9:38)

Yeah.

B (9:39)

Is that width with like the.

A (9:41)

All right, so when people ask me how tall I am, right, I tell them I'm a tall 6 foot, but I'm a short 6 one. So I'm on the shortest side of 6 one. But if I'm 6 foot, I'm a tall 6 foot. So Brunson is about my height, is he? Yeah.

B (9:58)

He seems so short on the court. It's hard on the court. Cause the guys are so tall. I'm saying, like, Steph looks like, so short, and he's six three, you know,

A (10:05)

so it's more amazing. Yeah.

B (10:06)

D. Wade looks so short, he would block everyone.

A (10:09)

So. Yeah. So that's why. And if we, you know, we. On the basketball topic, this is Gonna shake things up in the summer. I got Steph ahead of mic, and I don't care who don't like it or nothing. I'm taking Mike who? I'm dying on that.

B (10:22)

Mike who?

A (10:23)

How many mics is it?

B (10:24)

There's a few mics.

A (10:26)

How many mics in your top five?

B (10:28)

In my top five? There's only one mic. It can't be him. So there must be another mic I didn't know about.

A (10:34)

Listen, man, I got Steph as the goat, and I go off of like, how you look like Steph looks like a mailman. He could be your gym teacher. Whoever else you would have as the goat, it would be like, yo, you too tall to be doing this or why aren't you in the NBA? Steph is a regular looking person. He could be in this room engineering this podcast, and you wouldn't think, yo, you better. You should be in the NBA.

B (10:59)

He's the only guy under six' six in, like, the top 15 ever. He is 15.

A (11:04)

See?

B (11:04)

Right?

A (11:05)

I'm saying so the re. The way you got that, according to you, his feats are greater than somebody who has physical advantages, right?

B (11:15)

Yeah, I guess he's. He's over. He's certainly over accomplished, but his dad was in the NBA too.

A (11:19)

But so. So, so what number do you have him at, Steph?

B (11:22)

I really have him. So much higher than everyone else, but you're making me look like I'm a hater.

A (11:26)

How much are you?

B (11:27)

I have him at three.

A (11:28)

Oh, three all time. Yeah, I respect it.

B (11:30)

Which. Which is so much higher than most people.

A (11:32)

I respect it. I respect. So who's. Who's. Who's above him? Mike. Yeah. He's third.

B (11:38)

Yeah, he could be second, I think, if you want a fifth.

A (11:42)

All right. Make his way up. So. So. Oh, so.

B (11:45)

But he's definitely the greatest offensive player ever.

A (11:47)

So you a rings guy. So why is Mike first?

B (11:52)

Mike is first.

A (11:54)

Why?

B (11:55)

Why? Because he was the best player in the league for 12 years.

A (11:58)

How old are you?

B (11:59)

24.

A (12:01)

So you going off of what they told you?

B (12:03)

I watched.

A (12:04)

All right, so then you need to be listening to me then. Because what they're not telling you, what they show you on highlights is only the good stuff. And Michael Jordan's first five, six years, he was getting manhandled. They didn't tell you that.

B (12:17)

But he was performing. I mean, like, he scored 62 against Larry Bird and the Celtics, they lost.

A (12:23)

Like, so some would call that Michael Jordan's best playoff performance.

B (12:30)

Yeah, right up there.

A (12:31)

You got that Now Would you choose that game or would you choose LeBron's 25 straight against number one ranked Detroit defense and winning? Because when Mike had 63, he lost that game and got swept that series.

B (12:43)

Yeah, right.

A (12:44)

So since when do we glorify somebody that got swept and losing glory?

B (12:48)

I'm just talking about.

A (12:49)

I'm not even talking about you. I'm just saying in the realm of basketball, they always show that game when he dribbled into the leg three times on Larry Bird. Lost that game, got swept that series. They don't never do that with nobody. Of today where we praising somebody in the midst of getting swept and losing?

B (13:05)

Cause that's black. Jesus.

A (13:06)

It's Mike. That's what I'm saying. We gotta let go of this game.

B (13:09)

That's why we all wear the shoes. There's someone in the room's got their shoes on it. Just. That's Mike. We're talking about impact and that's Mike.

A (13:17)

Yo, Steph. I don't think Steph ever got swept.

B (13:20)

Not that I.

A (13:21)

It's a rhetorical question. I know he didn't. We don't get swept, Seth. That's what I said. You gotta be good enough to win at least one game. Win me one game. And maybe that 63 point game was supposed to be it. But he lost.

B (13:33)

He did lose.

A (13:34)

Got swept.

B (13:34)

He won a lot, though.

A (13:36)

Hmm.

B (13:36)

He won a lot.

A (13:37)

I'm saying, once he figured it out, he figured out how to beat Jeff Horn in second half. Yeah. Cause that's what it's about, too. I'm about who you playing.

B (13:44)

And Charles Barkley and Carl Malone.

A (13:46)

And who. Who's on 18.

B (13:48)

John Stockton.

A (13:50)

Your matchup. Like I'm talking about your matchup. Everybody you just named at the two.

B (13:54)

At the two.

A (13:55)

When they played the Suns, Barkley was on the team, but the two was like Dan Marley.

B (14:00)

Yeah.

A (14:01)

And I'm not disrespecting Dan Marley, but if you. Michael Jordan.

B (14:04)

Yeah.

A (14:05)

That's easy. Right?

B (14:06)

It does sound funny.

A (14:07)

Like Steph gotta play Westbrook.

B (14:09)

Yeah.

A (14:09)

Dame Lillard. It's hall of Fame after hall of Fame. If we keep going through the Kyrie. Keep.

B (14:15)

Well, Steph also gets fouled more than anyone else and doesn't get calls.

A (14:19)

Tell him again. So you're just adding some.

B (14:21)

If you really watch ball, Steph has the worst whistle ever. Would you agree with that?

A (14:26)

I agree with that.

B (14:27)

His whistle is horrible.

A (14:28)

Terrible.

B (14:29)

The refs don't like him. He's like too flashy for them.

A (14:32)

I don't think it's that it's just that he's so they probably want to see him go through with the play. Like, nah, go ahead, just hit the three. We ain't even go call a foul for you. Just go ahead, finish the play. You two get to be getting help, like. And that's it. Here we are. Four chips. If he could get one more like you said, that would mean that the warriors revamped and he won with like a third era team. So it's like, he do that like you said, he's definitely. He's the goat to me anyway. But that's a little bit biased in it, I feel like. So.

B (14:59)

No, he's definitely a goat. No doubt. If you don't have him like up there, up there, then I don't. You're not watching.

A (15:04)

Yeah. What do you got to do? What you got to do to get up there? If you don't got him up, there's

B (15:07)

some dudes like, don't have him top 10.

A (15:09)

I'm like, what else do you have to do to get top 10? Exactly.

B (15:12)

Yeah. You're not really watching him.

A (15:13)

So you got him as the best point guard ever.

B (15:15)

Yeah.

A (15:15)

Over Magic.

B (15:16)

Yeah.

A (15:17)

All right, cool.

B (15:17)

Well, Magic didn't knows, but he did, unfortunately.

A (15:20)

So, I mean, I'm here for the. I'm here for the shift.

B (15:24)

Yeah.

A (15:25)

It's like, if somebody's better with my eyes, I'm saying it.

B (15:28)

Yeah.

A (15:28)

I'm sorry. Like, I'm not with the whole. Oh, you gotta respect everything. Cause when we all get old, then we respect for the Steph in our era. We gonna start it now. I got Steph as the goat.

B (15:39)

Spurs, Thunder, Nuggets. Who you got coming out of the West.

A (15:42)

That's a tough one if everybody's healthy. The Spurs. And you know why? Cause there's nothing like having like two point guards you could trust. They got a rookie point guard that you could really trust. Trust. And I know de' Aaron Fox that might be. He gonna be looking for a team next year. Cause Harper ready. Harper ready.

B (16:02)

Now he's out of there.

A (16:03)

Yeah, out of there.

B (16:04)

You know what, though? Like, every time you sit down and pick the NBA playoffs, you get egg on your face because one guy gets hurt and then you look stupid. But like, it could be the eighth man. It can make all the difference in the world.

A (16:14)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (16:15)

You can be a 3 and D off the bench. Who changes the series.

A (16:18)

Yeah. Cause it's about, you know, the playoffs is when they preparing to stop your star. Them other players gotta, like you just said, be the Eighth guy, eighth guy off the bench or eighth guy in a rotation, third guy off the bench. That'll come in and win you a whole playoff game. You only need four in the series, so. Yeah, all of that matter. And I say that to say the Lakers might get swept because Luke is out.

B (16:42)

Nah. Yeah. One of them was like, Knicks in seven, then they were like, rockets in six. I'm like, rockets in six. How the hell are Lakers gonna win two games?

A (16:50)

Yeah, I don't see it.

B (16:51)

How is that possible?

A (16:53)

I don't see it, and I don't. It's not that the Rockets got such an outstanding, like, lineup, but Udoka make him tough, like.

B (17:01)

Yeah.

A (17:02)

So I don't see them, like, not playing tough. If you're gonna lose to the Lakers, it's cause you're gonna let them. Pretty much let them win. I don't see the Rockets giving away a series with them as a coach. I think they should. Sweet. Sweet.

B (17:14)

Yeah.

A (17:16)

I'm gonna give Brom one game. Just one. I know he 41. I think adrenaline alone. Your son on the bench, it's la. Come on, man.

B (17:24)

Ayton can't catch the ball. It's rough over there.

A (17:29)

I ain't doing that. And since we on the Lakers. You brought him up. JJ Redick, how he get that job in the first place?

B (17:36)

The podcasting.

A (17:38)

Just podcasting, right? Yeah.

B (17:39)

I might be next.

A (17:39)

All right, so Hope, I was just about to say. All right, so I might be next. Who you gonna coach?

B (17:44)

I might take over for JJ after they get smiled.

A (17:47)

So you take over for jj, I'll take over for Mike Brown. We both look like them anyway.

B (17:50)

Yeah.

A (17:51)

Yeah. Let's get him out of here.

B (17:52)

Yeah, makes sense. Nah. And then they replaced Redick with Nash.

A (17:56)

Steve Nash.

B (17:57)

Yeah. Now he does the podcast instead of Reddick.

A (17:59)

Oh, with the podcast.

B (18:00)

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

A (18:01)

Nah, I don't know. Like I said, with the coaching, they so selective. It's just like sometimes it's a random point guard that just finished playing that never coached a day in they life.

B (18:11)

Yeah.

A (18:12)

Or it's JJ Redick, fresh off first take. Now you coaching the Lakers with LeBron and them, it's like everything is relationships.

B (18:19)

Doc Rivers still gets jobs.

A (18:20)

Doc Rivers still gets jobs. I can't wait to see where he going to be at next year. And I did. And I did someone.

B (18:26)

How did. How he got that? I mean, they fired, but after they won the chip.

A (18:30)

They did.

B (18:31)

Yo, yo, he won the chip. Mike.

A (18:33)

Mike Malone, too.

B (18:34)

Oh, he bought himself another year. Like, what?

A (18:37)

What does that mean first the first Milwaukee chip since the 60s, and then Mike Malone wins the first chip in Denver history, and then they fire him a year and a half later. So it was like.

B (18:50)

Basketball's crazy.

A (18:51)

I don't know. We ain't win nothing in New York since the 70s. And these coaches be. Be lasting seven, eight years.

B (18:56)

Yeah, Thibodeau got. What do you think about the Thibodeau?

A (19:00)

What I think about Thibodeau?

B (19:01)

Yeah.

A (19:01)

Oh, I had called for his firing last year while we was up in the series three one. Cause I know what he gonna do. You gonna die out our players.

B (19:10)

Yeah.

A (19:11)

And by the time he gets to the third series, we lose to a team that we really better than like Indiana. I'm still pissed off. Like I said, Indiana took Shane under seven. Hallie Burton don't get hurt in the first quarter. We might be looking. Talking about the Indiana Pacers as the champions.

B (19:26)

Yep.

A (19:27)

That would have pissed me off. That would have pissed me off.

B (19:30)

And now they're the number one pick.

A (19:32)

Now they have what?

B (19:33)

Now they might have the number one pick.

A (19:34)

Oh, yeah.

B (19:35)

From highs.

A (19:37)

That's why we got to win this year before other teams start fixing how you sell this shit. Yeah, you have to now.

B (19:43)

I don't know. The questions I have about the Knicks is just the defense. Brunson and Cat, it's a weird duo because neither of them really defend.

A (19:52)

Yeah, but you gotta build around that. You said none of them defend. But you know, Bridges, that's what you out there for. OG, that's what you out there for. And Josh Hart, that's what you're out there for. We got Mitchell Robinson off the bench, who I think should start. Because what they do with Mitchell Robinson is foul him on purpose. Because he comes into the game when we are ready in the penalty. So I'm like, if you follow him on purpose, start him so that they could get us into the penalty, then we sit his ass down and the rest of us could shoot. But the coaches don't be coaching. That's why they need to hire me.

B (20:24)

If Reddit could do it, who. If JJ could do it.

A (20:27)

Coming off this is what I'm saying. I said it. JJ I was coaching my son's team. You know, they was in sixth grade. It ain't crazy, but we went undefeated and won the chit. JJ Redick never coached nothing. Cause I was with him at espn. You coaching? No, you're not coaching. You just talking. At what point are you coaching? You had no time, nothing. You just got up, you was doing espn, and like you brought up, he was doing the what podcast with LeBron. So when can you have coached. You just throw him the Lakers job in 2K, the biggest job in the NBA, basically, the Lakers, LeBron, all of that.

B (21:04)

Showtime.

A (21:05)

Showtime.

B (21:06)

Yeah, I don't think he'll. I don't think he can get another job either. I don't think LeBron can pull rank like that ever again. He's.

A (21:13)

Yeah, I. I don't. Yeah, I think them days is over.

B (21:16)

I think it's over him choosing to

A (21:17)

coach and stuff like. But we might be wrong if they picking the Lakers to do something in this playoffs. Braun might be able to still pull some. Pull some strings next year.

B (21:24)

If Braun gets past the Rockets by himself. Undisputed goat of all sports. He's literally by himself all sports. If he can beat the Rockets without Reaves or Luka, he's got no support and he's got a podcaster coaching him.

A (21:41)

All right? So to me, he'll move up. You're right.

B (21:45)

If he beat the Lakers for his accomplishment.

A (21:47)

If he beat the Lakers, he does move up. He does move up.

B (21:50)

He's got nothing.

A (21:52)

Yeah. I mean, Ru is a chamois, so that means. So what do you say about KD if they lose like that?

B (21:59)

Oh. Oh, that would be rough. That's rough. That's rough. You just gotta go down.

A (22:05)

So you got all the pressure on KD right now?

B (22:07)

A lot of pressure. Yeah.

A (22:09)

Damn. I just be. Y' all be putting a lot on these people with all these mileage on them. Kevin Durant is season 19.

B (22:15)

No. When he came back from the torn Achilles and all that.

A (22:17)

Right.

B (22:18)

He's averaging 27.

A (22:19)

I mean, you know what, though? You can't be losing a Jerry Vanderbilt.

B (22:22)

Nah, see, you're right.

A (22:23)

You're right.

B (22:24)

I can't let you.

A (22:25)

We ain't gonna really let him off the hook for that. I seen him curse out. He. He. He commented on Kendrick Perkins page. He was like, what are you in that field rapper on that podcast going to do if I lose? Like, so he might see this and be like, yeah, watch out, mouth. What y' all gonna do if I don't beat the Lakers?

B (22:42)

Like, that's a bad mindset. Think about what we're gonna say if you win, you know?

A (22:47)

Right.

B (22:47)

I mean, like, what would happen if you won the chip somehow? Like, think about that.

A (22:51)

Yeah, he not even thinking about.

B (22:52)

He's not. No. He's on Twitter.

A (22:54)

They already. They already. Most them bottom teams in the west kind of know the One person that's different, and this is why, since he's my favorite player is Ant Edwards. He ain't gonna ever be like, well, let's pack it in, guys. You're playing okc. Nah, he gonna lace up his boots.

B (23:11)

You think? Can they upset Denver?

A (23:13)

Yeah, it wouldn't even be upset. It's like, that's a pick, Em. Like you picking Ant Edwards or you picking Jokic.

B (23:20)

Yeah, but Denver's nice this year. They got. It seems like they put it together,

A (23:24)

they got healthy at the right time. Aaron Gordon came back. You got Jamal Murray in his groove, and Jokic is just. He don't miss when it comes to basketball. I can't figure him out. You don't jump high, you not fast, you're not quick, but you the best player in the league. I don't get it.

B (23:40)

You know, his touch.

A (23:42)

He what?

B (23:42)

He's got the greatest touch I've ever seen.

A (23:45)

So where you got him ranked in Sennis? Just center is like, ooh, you 24. So your answer?

B (23:52)

You know, I guess he's five.

A (23:54)

Five. So you got four centers better than him. Yeah, go ahead. Let me see.

B (23:59)

Kareem Hakeem, Bill Russell. Wilt,

A (24:04)

you said Bill Russell?

B (24:06)

Yeah, yeah.

A (24:07)

You can't be 24. You was born at the 2000s. You was a millennium, baby.

B (24:12)

He was what, 17? Zero in an elimination game. I mean, he's.

A (24:16)

You like numbers?

B (24:17)

I like numbers.

A (24:18)

So you know Bill Yogic doesn't defend. Bill Russell is a center, right? Yeah.

B (24:23)

He averaged 17 a game. 44 from the field.

A (24:26)

You know what?

B (24:27)

He shot 44 from the field.

A (24:29)

How.

B (24:29)

That's crazy.

A (24:30)

That is crazy.

B (24:31)

Nice offense again.

A (24:33)

So you're gonna hear say in here, you're gonna do all that and say,

B (24:37)

he's a better player, but the greatest defender, rebounder. I saw him jump over a guy. You ever see that video? Jumped over the dude. His feet were over. Right?

A (24:44)

So he should have been in the high jumping. We talking about basketball.

B (24:46)

He was a legit athlete.

A (24:47)

Jokic leads the league in assistant rebounds this year.

B (24:51)

Yeah, he's. No, he's nuts.

A (24:52)

That's the crazy hill, huh?

B (24:56)

I'm not gonna die in that.

A (24:57)

Yeah, don't die on that hill.

B (24:58)

Please don't put Yogic ahead of him.

A (24:59)

Start it over your top five centers. Where you got Jokic? We not.

B (25:03)

We can put him at four. Huh? We can put him at four.

A (25:06)

So you put in already Bill west,

B (25:07)

definitely Kareem and Akeem.

A (25:10)

You can't be Kareem. Yes, I understand. Dream, which you didn't see because he retired before you was even born.

B (25:18)

Dream's like, the most underrated, though. I think out of all them, Dream might be the greatest center ever, you know? Oh, Shaq, Shaq, Shaq.

A (25:25)

I like all everybody, you saying, but what I go off of best. I separate best and greatest. Greatest is like your resume. You win in all right, cool. Which is circumstantial according to your teammates and stuff like that.

B (25:38)

Yeah.

A (25:40)

Best is like, could you score from every spot on the floor if the Lakers with Shaquille o' Neal on the team was down three with four seconds? He's not even on the floor. Jokic, if your team down three, he's taking the shot.

B (25:56)

Yeah.

A (25:57)

So it's like, well, I'm going with Shaq.

B (25:59)

Wasn't down three a lot, you know, he what? He's got five of these.

A (26:04)

Got Kobe, though.

B (26:05)

He didn't have. But he won MVP in all three.

A (26:07)

Picture Jokic getting a Kobe level player. Picture Jokic getting Ant Edwards right now. Right now. Ant Edwards. That was Kobe.

B (26:15)

Yeah. Shaq had that most dominant player ever.

A (26:18)

He.

B (26:18)

What would you say this to Shaq?

A (26:21)

You said, what'd I say?

B (26:22)

What would you say this to Shaq?

A (26:23)

Well, they all watch me. Shaq know like, I love Shaq. That's my favorite person at center.

B (26:29)

Yeah, yeah.

A (26:30)

But when we ranking basketball, I'm not gonna waver according to relationships. I got Jokic number one. I told you, if I see it, I say it ahead of Hakeem. One nuttin's ahead of one.

B (26:44)

So your top five is like all current players, like your starting five. Is it all current guys?

A (26:50)

Nah. If I did a top five, like a starting lineup, Jordan would be my. My two. Okay, but everybody.

B (26:57)

You don't have James Harden or something.

A (27:01)

Why are you giving me the thought for? See, look. And that's how you know rings is really because if we talking about what we watching. I told my uncle this the other day, had him pull out the little hair he had left. I said, if Michael Jordan played bones Holland, 1v1, I got bones. He like, blasphemous. I'm like, yo, that is blasphemous when you say it. But when you think about it, 1v1. Mike Garden. Have you ever, like, if I ask Michael Jordan, this dribble package is crazy. That's 1v1. How you gonna stop it? Michael Jordan never even seen that. Now give me a tool.

B (27:39)

But MG's hands are like, okay.

A (27:43)

And them same hands gonna be reaching for something that ain't There it's reaching for something that ain't there. First of all, you in Miami, so. You know, Bones Highland was here all last summer. I got a different respect for him. I seen it in person. I. Up close, like, I'm at the broadcast table, and he doing stuff like this. I can't even see the ball. And he did the craziest layup I ever seen through my Life, including everybody. 1v1. You got Mike.

B (28:06)

Is he beating Kyrie?

A (28:08)

Nah, that's a good. That's. That's a good one. But I don't think Mike. Mike is beating Kyrie because Kyrie is not six' six. Bones Holland, you have no real advantage on him. Maybe you stronger, but when it's his turn on offense, I'm sorry. Like, I don't think Nobody's stopping him. 1v1.

B (28:23)

See, you and your uncle argued about sports.

A (28:25)

Hey, you know what I'm saying? I'm about to kill the sports talk to y' all here. I see everybody in the room is, like, engaged in what I'm saying. This is how it's supposed to be when you watching people talk sports and you, like, let me check my phone or something like that. It's just like, no, no, no, that's not it.

B (28:44)

And people, like, constantly disrespectful top analysts like the Stephen A's, the even. This guy says, crazy, but he's entertaining. Skip, all these guys, like, you don't get it until you're in the chair, and then you have that respect, right?

A (28:57)

Yeah. You got to make.

B (28:58)

Because Skip said, the funniest shot I've ever heard in my life. What do you say when he said, talking about the. If MJ and LeBron played today, and he goes, MJ would win. If I trained him.

A (29:08)

If I trained him. Now, Skip.

B (29:10)

Yeah, Skip average one point a game.

A (29:12)

Skip is unbelievable. I'm not going to lie. He did say. This is when I was like, you know what? I'm not listening to nothing he says. And it was kind of early in the first heyday after LeBron won that first chip on Miami and the deciding game against OKC. Probably like, 35, 10, 8. Regular LeBron stuff back then. Skip comes out and was complaining about certain things that he saw in that closeout game.

B (29:38)

Yeah.

A (29:39)

Monica was looking at him like, yo, nah, you cannot hate on this man the day after he wins the chip. And is the reason. Like, that's what I'm just like, everything is like, who you like and who you don't.

B (29:51)

No, he's the peak LeBron hater. He said Bronnie had more of a clutch scene than LeBron.

A (29:58)

I'm not allowed to talk about Bronnie.

B (30:00)

He was. He was boosting up Ronnie to hate on LeBron. This guy's different. Like, hating Olympics. He's gold.

A (30:09)

Yo, man. When the media. When. When somebody. Not even. I'm not gonna put that on everybody, but Skip is one of them people. Like, if I. If I'm not for you, like, you gonna know it and everybody gonna know it. And me judging the sports and all that. Yeah, he's good. But after the butt, he goes. He goes. He goes crazy Mayweather.

B (30:27)

He said Pack Hill should have won. You know, he's nuts.

A (30:29)

Yeah.

B (30:30)

I don't know where or when he was talking about players better than Steph. Bill Walton.

A (30:35)

What he said Bill Walton's better than Seth.

B (30:38)

When he said that with Shannon Sharpe. I don't know.

A (30:41)

Okay, so that must have been before.

B (30:43)

Post unknown.

A (30:44)

Ring, ring.

B (30:44)

Four.

A (30:45)

But even. Come on, you Dill Walton. And that's what I'm saying. They need to revamp. I don't even like that. They added 25 to the top 50. Now it's top 75. No.

B (30:53)

Yeah. That list was whack, though. No, Dwight.

A (30:56)

Which list?

B (30:57)

The top 75.

A (30:58)

You said it was whack.

B (31:00)

No, Dwight Howard.

A (31:02)

So you gotta. This is what I'm saying. The way you got Bill Russell not to say he's not in top 50, because that'd be crazy. Yeah, but the people of that era, like, you could, like, yeah, like Dave

B (31:15)

the Butcher or something.

A (31:15)

Yeah, like, you know them names. The names where you just like, what? Who? And then you go to the stats, it's just like, oh, another play on the Celtics. Like, how many players from one era on one team are y' all gonna let in the hall of Fame? Yeah, and that's just where I'm at with it.

B (31:28)

How many do they have? We'd have to check that out.

A (31:30)

Yeah, you're gonna have to check.

B (31:32)

They might have a full.

A (31:33)

The Celtic, that Bill Russell era. Celtic team. Nate Archibald. It was like eight Celtics. And I might even be mixing errors, but it was just so much.

B (31:41)

The coach, too.

A (31:43)

All the green jackets. I remember I watched it on YouTube again, and I'm like, look at all these Celtic jackets. You're not going to tell me? Y' all was so great. Y' all. The only team that was winning. It had to be five, six teams in the NBA. The way. The way the disparity with the championships was back then.

B (32:00)

Who do you Think the Knicks meet in the conference finals. Who else is contending in these?

A (32:05)

You know what? The Hornets. You seem. You got a up close and personal look at the Hornets last night. It's something about them this year that's like, I got them having like a special run, so they still got a game to win. So you win that game and you play Detroit, which is the series everybody want to see. That was the big fight. They two teams that clearly don't like each other. They just played last week and they didn't shake hands at the end. It's like, all right, let's get it on. Let's see who wins this series. Because I got Charlotte being like a high powered offense against a strong defense. That can go either way. Especially when you got a lamelo ball type player shoot off one leg and do stuff you can't really prepare for. If he's Kobe White, Kobe White off the bench. That was a big pickup. And what I compared to that Kobe White pickup in the west is IO going to Minnesota because that gives them that guard that they didn't have that could run with anti. When you had Mike Conley, like, when are they gonna let this go? And I'm not saying cut him or whatever, but somebody else should be playing. He should be coaching. Mike Conley came in when Greg Oden came in. Come on, son. It's over.

B (33:18)

It's over.

A (33:20)

Greg Oden look like my grandfather right now. I'm like, mike Conley, you came in that same draft.

B (33:24)

Nah, I saw a clip the other day with someone defending someone and I did like a triple take. Do you know what I'm about to say?

A (33:32)

What?

B (33:32)

Taj Gibson. Taj Gibson is in the league right now.

A (33:37)

What team are you on?

B (33:38)

The. The Jazz.

A (33:40)

Who?

B (33:40)

The Jazz was that who?

A (33:42)

It was the Jazz.

B (33:45)

Taj Gibson is in the league. He's 40. I saw him though. I saw him in a clip. He played. He played for USC when I was three years old. I did a triple. I'm like, that's a different Gibson. I'm like, no, the same bald head every day. It was Taj Gibson in the flesh, 20, 26.

A (34:03)

So what's wrong with that?

B (34:04)

The league is crazy.

A (34:07)

It is a little bit. You knew? No, no. Yeah. Taj Gibson having a job right now is really crazy. That's crazy.

B (34:13)

Shout out to him though, for staying in shape and like getting the call and.

A (34:18)

Yeah, I just was at a restaurant. I see Victor Oladipo. He like, yeah, I'm just looking.

B (34:23)

And Tosh Gibson can play Oladipo can play.

A (34:26)

I think Oladipo might even be younger than him.

B (34:28)

He's way, way, way younger.

A (34:29)

And he's like, I'm looking for, you know, a situation.

B (34:32)

I'm like, all right, if Conley and Taj Gibson.

A (34:35)

And that's what goes to show. It's about your attitude and shit. Like. Cause I know Taj Gibson, like, just good guy, nice guy, and I gotta find a greater guy. So he's on the roster. Cause I can't see him playing right now. Like, I don't see him.

B (34:48)

He was getting me. He was closing out.

A (34:50)

Closing out games.

B (34:51)

No, he was closing out on a shooter in the corner.

A (34:54)

Oh. So you seen him for, like, one minute and you realize like, oh, shit, that's Todd Gibson.

B (34:57)

It was nuts.

A (34:58)

All right, so he wasn't playing much, but like, yeah, like, the good guys, like, kind of. What's the name of their way out the league? You see the Pat Bevs, one day you playing, and another day you just in Israel. Cause you do shit like push Chris Paul in the back and go on media runs talking about people like that. So you gonna exit a different way than a Todd Gibson.

B (35:17)

You're arguing with Dwayne Wade right now.

A (35:19)

Yeah, you arguing with Dwyane Wade.

B (35:21)

Talking about his. Like, what the are you doing?

A (35:24)

That shit go two ways.

B (35:25)

Check that one out.

A (35:26)

It go two ways. You see how we just was? We got our opinions like, yo, Steph, better than such and such. Yeah, Pat Bever's like that now. His take sometimes be crazy. Like, you saying, you picking Wade. No. You picking Harden over Wade. Ignoring Wade on the other end of the court and championships. But then in the next. The very next video, he picked Kawhi over kd. And his explanation was championships and defense. I'm like, n. Yo. And that's just what I be talking about. It's like, if I'm going to call you out, something going to slip.

B (36:01)

Rachel Nichols voted Harden for mvp, like, multiple times. And then before Luka got hurt. So I can't vote Luka, he doesn't have defense. I'm like, yo, where was that with that? That doesn't.

A (36:12)

Cause you know what? It wasn't that Harden didn't play defense. It's almost like he couldn't. He was like a heavy set. You did a lot on offense, so you always look like you was dying out on defense. Luka just looked like, but he is heavy set.

B (36:29)

They're pretty fucking similar.

A (36:31)

They are. But nah. Harden to get, like, a little steal. Nah, son.

B (36:38)

If you rock with one guy, I feel you gotta rock. With the other. Or don't.

A (36:42)

I agree, I agree, I agree. I agree. And that's what I'm saying. That's what I was saying about consistent.

B (36:46)

Exactly. Just be consistent. That's all. Like, if you value defense. If you don't, you don't.

A (36:51)

Right. And your opinion could be whatever you want. But on this Internet and when we got all this footage that we can cut back to, you ought to just watch what you say. Cause stuff just be sounding too crazy. Like you intentionally making us feel.

B (37:03)

Harvey's gotta be, like, the most polarizing player ever, though.

A (37:06)

Harden.

B (37:07)

Yeah. You'll get dudes ranking him over D. Wade. And then they came out with the list, top 10 best pure scorers ever. And he wasn't on it.

A (37:14)

That's. That's. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. That whole list should be. Should be done over. It should be a graphic up here where we, like, crossing certain people out. Cause I can remember it vaguely. A lot of people not being there, that belong there. Like, I'm like, pure scorer. Giannis, come on. What are you doing? And I'm not saying it like Giannis isn't a great scorer, because he is. But he's not better than the greatest scorers ever. And that's just me. Like, come on.

B (37:43)

Y' all an idiot.

A (37:43)

Whoever be making these lists, like, hire me.

B (37:46)

He averaged 40.

A (37:49)

40.

B (37:51)

Harden's that guy.

A (37:52)

Yeah, he's that guy, bro.

B (37:53)

Yeah. The Dribble Packers. Yeah.

A (37:56)

I think. I think them years where he was MVP or second. Mvp. Second again. That was like one of the greatest three, four year runs I've ever seen. Unguardable. Right?

B (38:07)

Like, imagine he played in the 80s, 90s where he couldn't double team. Yeah.

A (38:13)

No.

B (38:14)

What would he do?

A (38:16)

Same thing Bones Highland would do.

B (38:18)

Yeah, Bones Highlands.

A (38:20)

Crazy. No, you.

B (38:21)

No, it's not the same thing if

A (38:24)

you plug and play Bones Highland. No, in the 80s, he wouldn't average 30.

B (38:28)

No, not like. No, he would not do the same thing as Harden.

A (38:32)

But Bones. Because he wouldn't average assist, too. But 30. Bones Holland.

B (38:36)

In the 80s, you don't think they would bench him when he's jacking up threes?

A (38:41)

Probably. Yeah, you're right about that. Would you jack up as many threes if Jeff Hornisek and him is guarding you? And it's not like I'm picking on Jeff Hornisek. That's the third time I said his name. Let me think about it.

B (38:49)

Nah, you're really a Jeff Hornacek.

A (38:50)

Hater not really.

B (38:51)

He's a solid two guard. He averaged 17 a game at points.

A (38:55)

You see what I'm saying? It's solid. And then there's Mike and this is who you had to come on.

B (39:00)

Like that sound funny.

A (39:01)

Hersey, Hawkins and stuff like that. It's like.

B (39:03)

But we all got the shoes, so who you playing?

A (39:05)

Yeah, yo, if Mike was so like transfer Mike in this league. Cause you know the first thing they say, Mike averaged 45 in this. No, he won't. He wasn't that type of shooter. But he would kill though. But would he be what he was? Do you see him winning six rings in 10 years in this league?

B (39:22)

Oh, it's hard to win rings now.

A (39:24)

So do you see him?

B (39:25)

I'm about 6, but I think he'd be just as successful. Like individually, I think he'd averaged like a 30 point triple double. So he'd be Westburg, like more efficient, better defending. Because he was efficient as hell. I mean he was shooting like he was crazy good at those pull up jumpers.

A (39:43)

Who, Jordan? No, but in this league right here, where like your defenders aren't like Reggie Miller who was like, you got more interesting, right?

B (39:53)

Cause his teammates are gonna be great shooters too, so there's more room to operate.

A (39:58)

I just feel like Mike was a real benefit of like the luck of the draw. Because what if Scottie Pippen, who was like the next best, like athletic, defensive, slashing type of player, he's on your team too. What if he was on the Knicks and Pat and stalks in them. Jordan going 6 and 0, he beat. He's going to the finals over and over and over again. No, that's what I'm saying. This.

B (40:23)

Well, you can say that about anyone, right?

A (40:25)

No, I'm not going to say that about anyone. Say that about Jordan.

B (40:26)

LeBron didn't. And this LeBron didn't call.

A (40:28)

And in this league right here, if, if, if Mike was to win too straight. Nobody's sitting back and just letting that happen. You know what they doing? Aunt Evans going to call Wimby. Yo, Michael Jordan over here wilding. You wanna come here or I gotta come over there? Now we on the same team and Jordan gotta beat two superstars now, a la Stephan Durant.

B (40:48)

They tried to make super teams, but they didn't work back then. Barkley and Drexler and all these dudes were teaming up, but it wasn't like they were too old, I guess. Like they weren't in the process.

A (40:58)

Yeah, that's the thing. Like Bron made it like Bron and Wade and them.

B (41:03)

He doing his shit being, like 28 years old. That was crazy.

A (41:05)

We doing it in the middle of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. And like, Boston and them got put together. Like, Ray Allen didn't know. Like, I'm about to go play Paul Pierce. KG didn't know I'm about to get traded to Boston. That shit just happened. They made this banana boat plan and that shit just kicked off. What's going on? Nobody's sitting around and watching. Nobody dominate.

B (41:25)

You agree the KD warriors would beat any team ever.

A (41:28)

Yes.

B (41:29)

Yeah.

A (41:30)

I got. Stephen's the goat. You gonna give him another Goat type player?

B (41:33)

Yeah.

A (41:34)

It's not even fair. Yeah, yeah. And they would have three pedded if Durant didn't get hurt against Toronto for sure. Which.

B (41:40)

Which.

A (41:41)

And that's why injuries change everything. Because that Kawhi run put him in a different, like, stratosphere as a player. I don't got him top 10, but he top 20 off off that run. Like, Dirk got that run in 2011. You just. Sometimes you just need that run.

B (41:57)

Facts. No, Kawhi did that, though.

A (41:58)

All right, cool. I did it.

B (41:59)

Is that guy.

A (42:01)

I mean, like I said, though, KD don't get hurt. They beating him?

B (42:04)

Nah.

A (42:05)

Then you wouldn't really. You wouldn't praise the final appearance that Toronto would have if they lose to Golden State.

B (42:10)

No. That team was stacked. That Raptors team.

A (42:13)

Yeah.

B (42:13)

You ever go back and look at it?

A (42:15)

Yeah, it was. Huh? Cause that's one of them Steph losses I don't like, you know, but like,

B (42:19)

Lowry, they had Marcus Saul, a baka. And then you're like, wait, they had Norm Powell, they had Fred Van Fleet, they had og, Like.

A (42:27)

Yeah. I mean, OG wasn't playing, but.

B (42:29)

Yeah. Yeah, but imagine if you.

A (42:31)

Yeah. Sad. They can say the same thing.

B (42:33)

Like, maybe they might have been able to be the word. They had og and they were stacked.

A (42:36)

Yeah, they were stacked.

B (42:37)

Norm Powell, like, just off the bench. Van Fleet. These are all like 35 million dollar guys now.

A (42:43)

Yeah. Definitely a good team. So who you got this year?

B (42:46)

Oh.

A (42:46)

Cause you could come from an unbiased. It's hard for me to answer that question. My team, one of them teams who you got in there being part of the league?

B (42:54)

I like your spurs pick. I like your spurs pick. I'm gonna go with the Spurs.

A (42:58)

Wait, what spurs pick to go to the. I picked them to go to the Finals.

B (43:00)

Well, you picked them to beat the Knicks.

A (43:01)

No, I didn't. I picked them to go to the Finals. Don't make me don't play. I like this podcast Start beef. I picked my Knicks to beat the Spurs. Don't do that. Cause they're gonna be rewinding it. Oh, you want them to rewind? They didn't watch it. Are you good at what you do? You good at what you do?

B (43:19)

I' stamp it. See what he said. I like your spurs pick. Wemby. Greatest defender ever, right?

A (43:28)

Come on.

B (43:28)

Who would you rather have defending the paint ever?

A (43:32)

Somebody with a little strength on him,

B (43:35)

but he's just like, you can't shoot near the paint.

A (43:38)

Says who? Says Jokic. You didn't see the game last week? Right over his head, outstretched arms. Can't fix scratching his head after, huh? Can't figure it out. Yeah. Greatest center ever. There's levels to this.

B (43:50)

Yeah.

A (43:50)

Still got learning to do.

B (43:52)

You don't think Wemby's gonna pass Best defender ever. You don't think Wimy's gonna pass him?

A (43:56)

Do I think what?

B (43:56)

Wimy's gonna pass Jokic.

A (43:59)

In what, basketball?

B (44:01)

No, No, I think Wimy's gonna be the ass.

A (44:05)

Separate race. Jokic. I swear, I watch a Denver game. Every shot they get is a good one and it's him. You don't need a point guard. Jamal Marino, point guard. He's a two. You got him out there. Everything else just falls into place. Aaron Gordon, like, just kind of don't have, like an offensive role. Don't need it. Like he gonna find you and yo yokis, man. Like the passing kind of separates him from everybody else. He rebounds like a center, scores like the best. One of the best scorers. And then there's the passing. Separates him from him.

B (44:39)

It's valid. Everything is a good shot, huh? He's the best today. No doubt.

A (44:42)

Best day.

B (44:43)

Yeah. If you're arguing that you don't, you know what you're watching, right? I agree. Anything else you want to get?

A (44:49)

You're saying best. You're saying best player overall, though.

B (44:51)

Yeah. Yeah. Jokic. Right now.

A (44:53)

You got him over Shay.

B (44:55)

Yeah, right now.

A (44:56)

Okay.

B (44:57)

Shout out to Shay, though. Shout out to Shay, though.

A (45:00)

Shout out to yo, man. Every time.

B (45:02)

Forever.

A (45:03)

Every time. I see how we just stamp yogurt. Every time I think about snapping yogis like that. Shay has the game on Sunday and he never, ever, ever disappoints. No, he doesn't have 10 and 10 on the back of his 38. Yeah, but they be needing his buckets. Like, when they need him, it's on. You double team him. It doesn't matter. He's taking it. I seen him kill us.

B (45:24)

Oh, you cannot cover him one on one?

A (45:25)

Yeah.

B (45:26)

He's impossible.

A (45:26)

Yeah, he waits for the double just to split it.

B (45:29)

He's one of the very best ever. One on one?

A (45:30)

Yeah.

B (45:30)

He's literally unstoppable.

A (45:32)

So what he got to do to make his way in the top 10? Because he already has an MVP.

B (45:35)

Yeah, I guess if he. If he did it again. Right. If you. If he WINS Another Finals MVP this year, is he top 10? He might be. He's right there.

A (45:48)

So is he already better than Harden? Yeah, you already got him ranked ahead of Harden, so you got shit. So you got him as a point guard or a shooting guard?

B (45:57)

Ooh, I guess a one.

A (46:00)

I'm just saying, just for ranking purposes,

B (46:02)

where would you rank. Yes, A one. I used to be a one.

A (46:05)

So you got.

B (46:05)

I guess he'd be three.

A (46:06)

So where would you rank him in point guards right now?

B (46:09)

Three.

A (46:10)

This might be the hardest question in sports because. Four.

B (46:12)

Four or three?

A (46:13)

Three all time. Shay already.

B (46:16)

Yeah.

A (46:18)

Who's three? So you got Steph Magic and Shay is number three.

B (46:22)

Yeah, I had a. Chris, Paul and Kidd and Nash, Oscar Robertson.

A (46:28)

So if you had him as a shooting guard, where would you rank him?

B (46:33)

Ooh, wait, MJ, Kobe, Jerry West. He's pro. Oh, Wade. 5.

A (46:44)

You got Jerry West.

B (46:45)

Yeah, I think Jerry west would translate to today's game. He could shoot the hell out of the ball. They didn't even have a three point line.

A (46:51)

Clay could shoot.

B (46:53)

He can't handle the ball at Jerry West. Jerry west was nice.

A (46:56)

He was.

B (46:57)

Yeah.

A (46:59)

Like I said, you younger than me and I don't know about Jerry West. How you know?

B (47:02)

You gotta study up.

A (47:05)

Yo, man, we got. We gotta like, do like a live stream. Watching old games. Like, do they. Was they recording back then?

B (47:12)

Yeah, Jerry West.

A (47:14)

Yo, I don't see no footage. I don't see no Jerry west footage. That wins me over. Like, oh, he had a bag. I don't see it.

B (47:19)

You. Yeah, not a.

A (47:20)

It was different. All right, so then how you got him top five over baggy shooting girls?

B (47:25)

Jerry west was like that.

A (47:27)

How you know?

B (47:28)

He's the logo.

A (47:29)

Yo, I don't care about the logo. Yo, they need to change the logo.

B (47:34)

He's the logo.

A (47:35)

Cause listen, Harden is better than Jerry west, man.

B (47:39)

I'm not gonna sit there and argue with you about it.

A (47:41)

By a lot, too. By a lot. By a lot. And you go off of what you. Like I said, I go off of what I see. Jerry West. Give me one Highlight moment, anything. Even when they say Havlicic steals the ball, wasn't it stealing from Jerry west or something like that? What have you done now? Let me not say that. Cause I don't want to. I don't want to bring your podcast down like smoking Jerry West. But I'm saying though, like, how. How's he in your top five? Your top five? He's 24, so y' all gotta get where I'm coming from with this. He's 24. You gotta explain to me why Jerry west is in your top five.

B (48:12)

Shooting goals, resume, rings, performances, stats. And then I'm looking at it, and then I'm like, he didn't have a three point line. So if he had a three and he was shooting from deep. If you watch his clips, he's shooting from deep.

A (48:28)

All right, so right after this show, we gonna watch the clips. I'll make like a little Instagram video with you if. If you. If you've proven yourself right. But you gotta show me what you saw. I'm not looking up nothing. Show me what you saw that convinced you. And if it don't move me, I'm coming back on this show in the summertime. All right, Pat, last year we was playing the Celtics, right? Stephen A. Gives me the pass. I'm on the floor. Jayson Tatum shooting around. This is the game that, you know, whatever happened, happened. It wasn't my fault. But he's shooting around, and before that, he had Tims on. So I'm like, yeah, I saw you being funny. So he's shooting, and every time he's shooting on some warmup, I'm like, a miss. So he gets me removed like, yo, this guy over here is making that noise. Like. So I'm like, all right, I'll go down there. Jaylen Brown shooting around, miss. Doing the same thing to him. So they told me, I can't be on the court. Move me up. And then I had said something to somebody that had on a Celtic fan and a Celtic jacket in the garden.

B (49:23)

Yeah.

A (49:24)

Then they was like, who you in here with? Like, so at this point, I ain't trying to get nobody in trouble. I'm like, nobody. Like, they was like, no, you're lying. Go up there with the people that you came with. So now I'm in the Skyblock and I got the text message like, listen, from now on, unless you get a ticket, you can't. Like, so I'm banned on some media shit. All right, well, I gotta start throwing watch parties where we can have fun and act like me and not get in trouble. So that's what I do around the city.

B (49:47)

All right. Bet. Probably more fun anyways.

A (49:48)

Yeah, man. Let's have more fun like that anyway.

B (49:50)

Yeah. You think you'll be invited to the parade?

A (49:53)

Who? You.

B (49:54)

You?

A (49:55)

Me?

B (49:55)

You can't ban your parade.

A (49:56)

I am in the parade. I am a parade. You can't keep me off the street, so they can't do that. I had my own parade after we beat the Celtics. I'm gonna show you the video. Maybe you could put the. No.

B (50:04)

We got a guy who splices the B roll.

A (50:07)

Oh, yeah, I bet.

B (50:08)

So I think we might have the same guy.

A (50:09)

Yeah, yeah. You're gonna have to see Shout out to Harlem. I was all through the streets. I was on top of, like, street signs and stuff like that. And they was like, oh, what if it felt it would have suit espn. I'm like, oh, you know what? Separate me. And that's where we are now.

B (50:20)

A lot of pressure.

A (50:22)

Yeah, a lot of pressure.

B (50:23)

Unless they're cutting you a check, don't. Don't represent them.

A (50:26)

Yeah, there you go.

B (50:27)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't represent the world.

A (50:30)

Exactly. I gotta. I need. I need this type of thing.

B (50:32)

Unless they put you on the show, like, don't exactly.

A (50:34)

I need this type of freedom. So whenever you need, like, a co host, we could like Stephen A. And Skip.

B (50:37)

Yeah, let's do it. Stephen A.

A (50:38)

Skip A. Let's just.

B (50:39)

Yeah. Yeah. I'm down. My guy, Josh Smith.

A (50:44)

Josh Smith.