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A
All right. Good morning, Doug. Been a. Another eventful week in. Well, at least on social media. What's happening. It's still very Charlie Kirk consumed, but there's other things happening. And, you know, you. What are the things that hit on your radar this week?
B
Oh, goodness. Miscellaneous things. There's been a defense pact that's been signed between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia because there was a big meeting in Doha, and of course, Doha, we're talking Qatar. I've been there, and it's changed tremendously in the 10 years since I've been there. I mean, office buildings and the rest of it grow like mushrooms in these places, the flow of money. But I mean, what is, what is Qatar? It's, it's just a. An emirate run by it, basically. The. The Amir is a dictator who has a gas field, and the biggest U. S. Base in the Middle east is in Doha. So that's what it is. It's a U. S. Military base guarding a big gas field of a Arab dictatorship anyway.
A
But didn't do. Didn't do such a good job guarding it, though, when Israeli jets came in.
B
No, that's kind of. That's kind of strange and suspicious. And there's been no apologies on the part of anybody. And. Yeah, and of course, we don't know. I mean, they say, The Israelis say, well, we have to cut off the head of the snake. And the snake, the snake's head was hiding in luxury in, in Qatar, so we had to take them out. But then the Arabs say, well, wait a minute. These were guys that were trying to negotiate an end to this thing. I don't know what the facts are. I mean, all we know is what these people say. And it's. It's all lies. You can't believe any of this stuff anyways. None of our business. And there shouldn't be a giant US Base there. There's absolutely no reason for having a US Base there or in Bahrain, which is the naval base to the.
A
Anyway, so out of that, though, just a week with it, less than a week after that, then you get this Pakistan, Saudi Arabia deal.
B
Oh, yeah, well, that's the important thing. I guess it's that here we have Saudi Arabia, which is a cash flow machine, and they've signed a formal alliance with Pakistan, which is utterly corrupt, overpopulated poor, and a country with nuclear weapons who actually fought in the last several wars against Israel. So they're no friends of Israel. But so now Saudi Arabia is hooked up with Pakistan. So these alliances can only result in the kind of situation that you have had in World War I where you know there's an alliance between Serbia and who the hell was it? Let's see, the Crown Prince of Austria, Hungary was killed and who declared war on who. And then because it was an alliance and everybody else had to declare war and before you know everybody's in war. Cause they all had what are called entangling alliances together. So it's the same type of thing that's going on in the Middle east right now. We have a formal alliance between these two powerful countries.
A
So that mean if India and Pakistan have another spat that Saudis are supposed to come to their defense.
B
Well, question is how can the Saudis do it? Yeah, I, I, I don't know. But if it's, it's, it can only be a problem. And kind of relating to that is that Today is the 229th anniversary. Look at the exact numbers of George because It was in 1796 George Washington published his letter to the American people at the end of his eight year gig as the President. And in that letter which is very famous, he had a lot of advice as far as what should this young country which was only eight years old at that point, what should it do and not do? Well actually that letter is worth going through in detail to compare what Washington, the founding father of the country thought with where the country is today. But I'd put my finger because we don't want to go through the whole letter at this point anyway. I don't think in his farewell letter he calls for non involvement in the affairs of foreign countries. And, and he says that the people who do Americans who do get involved in the affairs of foreign countries are toadies and dupes. And in there he emphasizes that the US should be friendly to everybody but not too friendly and definitely not allied to anybody. So word to the wise which has been completely forgotten. Another thing that he does mention in the letter which is relevant is that the country should have a balanced budget and gives a lot of reasons for that. And of course now I mean the country's head over heel and debt, it's never going to be repaid. It's a catastrophe rating. So if anybody read and I think probably everybody should, maybe we should actually go over it paragraph by Washington observing frankly so that kind of relates to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan idiotically getting into an entangling an alliance. And we obviously have toady's and dupes to quote Washington that are drawing us into Israel's problems with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Every other country in the Muslim world, quite frankly. So none of our business or should be. None of our business anyway. So that's what happens.
A
I'm gonna have to read this because I have it. I read it, you know, in high school, but I haven't read it since then. But he's. He's talking about the different departments of the government being virtuous and.
B
Yeah, forgot about that.
A
I feel like we're. I'm going to have to go back and read the whole thing. I know it's not that long, but.
B
Well, should go back and read the Declaration of Independence because it's actually a good document. And if you read the Declaration of Independence, you say, wait a minute, wait a minute. What's going on here? This is. We're doing the opposite of everything in the Declaration of Independence. It's actually perverse.
A
Then you go to the Articles of Confederation. Right, right. And then you're like. And the Constitution is one step down from that or a big step down from that.
B
Yeah. And the only part of the Constitution that's involved, that's observed today are technical detail like that the president can cast an extra vote in the Senate and. And, you know, the changing of the guard happens on this day. And purely administrative technical details. That's the only part of the Constitution that's observed. The rest of it is a total dead letter. Like, for instance, all the Bill of Rights, which are the. Which is the most important part of the Constitution, so.
A
Exactly. Well, speaking of the Bill of Rights, what do you think about. There's great risk of that being further violated because of the reaction with this stuff with Charlie Kirk. You know, there was talk about the. Certainly making Antifa a terrorist organization. Not to say that they're not, but, you know, but going after them that way. Going after hate speech, which Pam Bondi went aggressively on, but his backtracked a little bit on that. But, you know, it seems like that, that whole situation because of what happened to Charlie, it seems like it definitely could expand the state's efforts to kind of crack down, making, you know, against trans. And not that I'm on that side of it, but it's just like, you know, given the state more power to go after American citizens and their supposed rights.
B
Right. And these stupid Republicans don't realize, and we covered before the reasons why they think it's important to do the things that they're doing. I understand that, but I don't think they're going to be in office come 2028, and then the shoe is going to be on the other foot. And in the meantime they're going to have further augmented the power of the state. And nobody seems to recognize that it's not the Democrats per se that are our enemy. It's the institution of the state that's our enemy.
A
So yeah, I mean, you think about what Biden did, the way he aggressively went after the January 6th people, for instance. And now imagine with a whole new precedent set of a new internal policing powers and more grab and bag people on the streets for ice. You know, that's how they're deployed now. But, and just imagine if you get, you know, somebody who, who's on the wrong side of things and how quickly that can be turned against you. I mean, it's.
B
Yeah, it's understandable that, that I think most Americans want to get illegal aliens. Especially the wrong kind. Especially the wrong kind. Starting with them out of the country. Okay, that's fine. But ISIS has become a giant bureaucracy and you're not going to disband it. Just like the TSA is never going to be disbanded, likely. And they'll just be redeployed towards what's, whatever's important at that time. And talking about what ICE is doing, it's that it is rather dangerous and shameful that they rounded up 300 Koreans at a high end factory in, in Georgia. Now if in fact they were doing, they were illegal, but these were all respectable law abiding Koreans that were there on visas of some type and they were put in, in, in, in, in chains and hurt off like criminals with lots. I mean this, this does not smell good. If, if it was a problem, they should have had a sheriff present them with papers and say, hey, you guys have to leave. Do this politely. But no, no, they acted in a very police state manner.
A
Yeah. And then they released the video about it too, which is, which is really weird because you'd think they would have realized, oh, we made an error here. Obviously we arrested all these guys who actually are totally legal, you know, but then they published the video of putting the guys in chains and loading these like, like engineers on, on a bus. Like it's not a good look.
B
What happened to rounding up violent criminals? Instead they picked 300 Koreans that are making Hyundai. It's who's in charge?
A
Totally illegal. They're totally illegal.
B
Yeah. Who's the, who's the idiot that's in charge of that happening? Among other things. So. Well, and of course, antifa. When we were talking earlier, you said, you pointed out that you're not supposed to what was it? You can't designate a domestic terrorist organization or whatever.
A
Well, under current US law, domestic movements are not supposed to be categorized as that under, under U.S. law. But they can do things. They can, they can, you know, do not terrorists. But the FBI can look like, like they labeled, you know, Christian nationalists or whatever as a threat, which they can.
B
Do that actually they have, but they haven't rounded the bump per se.
A
Right. So I think they can do that. But I mean to declare a terrorist organization as a whole other legal threshold that I, that not to say he won't do it, but it will end up in the courts.
B
Yeah. Anyway, further, further reason to believe that things are going to get very hairy in the next few years, especially when the markets melt down. That'll. I, I personally think that'll be the real catalyst for all this type of thing.
A
Yeah, I think so too. Because if it happens like it, if it is it, you lead, you know, that the markets crash. It's a clear sign that things are going to gone wrong and everyone can see it objectively, there's a problem even if you don't have money in it. But then it leads to job losses big time. They come out of that and then that affects everyone real fast. So yeah, I think you're right. I think that will be the catalyst. But that'll be too late at that point.
B
Didn't Marjorie Taylor grinned say kind of an unusual thing for a member of Congress to say that, that these people, the red people and the blue people don't belong in the same union together or words to that effect?
A
I didn't hear that. But yeah, that's actually wouldn't surprise me, you know, and I think that people are, There's a growing feeling about that, that, that and I think we talked about in the last podcast, I was quoting this guy bi, who basically said that in the virtual world they've already seceded from each other. They don't see the same news, they're not in the same, not even on the same social networks. I mean they're separate already.
B
Yeah. And these two groups that really hate each other at this point are contending for the trillions of dollars of spending that the, that Washington D.C. allocates. They want it spent on their guys, not on the other guys. And they want to control the apparatus of the state where the police and the military are oriented the way they want, not the way the other people want. So this can't last. The best thing that can happen to the US is to separate peaceably On. I mean, it would be kind of messy to separate for lots of reasons. But the alternative is, I think, something like a civil war where they fight over who controls things instead of amicably, or at least not violently separating.
A
Yeah, I think it. The very. The way it's. Yeah. I don't know. I. Not sure how you could do it because geographically it's all mixed up. I mean, you look at like most of the map is red, and then it's just the cities that are blue, you know, so it's like. I don't know how you do it geographically.
B
I mean, to start with, the coastal areas of California could separate from the rest of California. That's a red and blue thing right there. Just within a state. And the same in Washington. I mean, these. Even the states that are termed red and blue are not cohesive within themselves as being red and blue anymore.
A
What do you do? Put like a wall separating, you know, going down to California, you know, separating the. The coastal area. I guess you have mountains, but.
B
It'S a dog's breakfast. The only possible solution is for the government itself to go back to what it's originally was in the Constitution, which is basically the government does nothing but defend people in the bailiwick from foreign invaders, allow adjudication of disputes with the court system, and have a police force to defend you from violent crime. That's it. Nothing else. Then there's nothing to fight about. They can believe what they want or whatever, set up what organizations they want. The question is, who controls the state? The state itself is the problem. So you've got to cut back the US government about 95% to solve the problem. That's the only solution short of separation.
A
And the only way that's going to happen is after it collapses economically because there's going to be no voluntary paring back of the state because everyone's so dependent on it now. I mean, most of the budget just goes for basic transfer payments at this point of the tax receipts.
B
Yeah, yeah. And of course, if it comes down to that, the US Dollar itself, this is a dead duck, which is going to have real consequences for everybody or everything that owns bonds and stocks and savings accounts. Oh, this is. I mean, this is scary. Stephen King ought to write a novel about this.
A
I mean, he's. He's kind of on the shit list these days, you know, because he came out and said some bad things about Charlie Kirk right after. Oh, and he had. And he had to apologize because he had. He has a movie coming out. So somebody talked him into going out and apologizing.
B
I didn't know that. But of course, Jimmy Kimmel is the person who's. Who lost his job. I listened to what Kimmel said. I'm not a fan of Kimmel, but. So what he said was unfriendly, but unfriendly. But lose his job over that? Well, apparently. Apparently it's not just the fact that his show, they say, was losing $60 million a year, which is a good enough reason to say he's got to go someplace else. You can't, can't sustain a money loser like that. So that's a good reason to fire him. But apparently the FCC was putting a lot of pressure under. Who is it NBC or ABC that does his show?
A
I think. I think he's abc.
B
Yeah, whichever one. They're all the same. So they were putting a lot of pressure because of course you can't broadcast or do anything on the airwaves unless you get approval from the fcc. Well, to me, this is just a good reason to abolish the fcc. It's none of their business. I mean, to decide what people say or don't say. And if ABC or CBS or whoever the hell it was fires Kimmel for whatever reason, doesn't matter what the reason is. Losing money, management doesn't like what he's saying, fine. Kimmel can go out and start his own network or start doing. Stand up in front of his house and see who wants to listen. This is all involvement of the state, Everything. This is.
A
I think, I feel like the, you know, firing him is. It was like. I can imagine the executives looking at it and go, okay, this is. We can argue that this is a violation of our agreement and we can use it. We can cancel and cut the show now and save us because it's a big money loser for us. And then we can virtue signal properly to the state who's pressuring us and also, you know, to the audience who we've been losing, you know, over. Over the last several years. So, yeah, I don't think the ABC or Disney or whoever it was who worked for exactly that. They all of a sudden woke up and, you know, saw the light about goodness and badness and, you know, chose to do the right thing. I think it was. It was a business decision.
B
No, these corporations never do the right thing. They're basically just whores run by managements that don't have any skin in the game as far as owning shares of the corporation or having entrepreneurially formed it, anything like that. So it's really out of control. Well, and they do like working hand in glove with the government, which helps to keep them in a position where they're power where they are. Now we're starting a new. Listen, anybody ought to be able to start a new TV or broadcast network without any intervention or costs from the states. And Kimmel should do that. I mean, God bless him or God damn him. I don't really.
A
Either way. Yeah, he could do a YouTube show. Right. If he's so. If he's in demand. Yeah, yeah. So that's fine. But yeah, it's, you know, the ABC likes to keep the state happy. The state because they protect their. It's not a monopoly because there are four stations. Right. I guess it's Fox, abc, CBS and NBC are the ones with the big FCC licenses. So, you know, they like. I mean, their business is made by the state.
B
Yeah, yeah. They wouldn't be the size they are if it wasn't been for the barriers that the state puts up for new entrants. Anyway, I don't know what's going to happen with the Charlie thing. Seemed like a nice fellow as far as I could tell. Although frankly, I'm always suspicious of anyone, even if he's a nice fellow, intelligent, well read all these things. I'm on Charlie's side on most things, as I can tell, but he was not a libertarian. He was a conservative who worked with the state and said things about, you know, supporting the current Trump regime. Anyway, we'll see how this all sorts out.
A
Yeah. Do you think, do you think Turning Point will thrive with his wife now taking over?
B
No, off camera. We were talking about the fact that it's a male movement, Turning Point, generally speaking, young men, not young women, who are much more liberal than young men. So that wasn't his audience. And will the young men go for Charlie's wife to lead them the way? Probably not. And if she tries to turn Turning Point into something to influence young female college students, that's a tough one.
A
Uphill battle.
B
Yeah. So what's going to happen to Turning Point? Is somebody going to move into. And that's hard to figure too, because where the funding was coming from for. There's a lot of things we need to find out about everything to do with its funding, to do with the assassination and so forth. Because all we really know is what we're told on the media, which is.
A
Right. Which is that we talk about has. There's a lot of holes. There's a lot of holes.
B
A lot of holes. So whether they're uncovered or not, it's a good question. I mean still, there's, there's still a lot of holes from the events of 911.
A
What events? From 91 1. What do you mean? What are you talking about? Those Terrace Goddess.
B
Yeah, well like. Yeah, that's right. Like Building 7 for instance.
A
Yeah, that's a, it's an interesting question.
B
Building seven, but why did it fall right in its own footprint just like the other two buildings did, which is also kind of odd.
A
Yeah, yeah. And then the Pentagon, you know, there's no wreckage of a plane outside of it, just a perfectly Tomahawk missile shaped hole.
B
Yeah. All we know is what we're, we're showing and then we come up with conspiracy theories to try to sort out.
A
Well, it's because just like in this case with Charlie Kirk that all the cctv, apparently the high definition stuff that was on the Pentagon also, you know, wasn't there to give us any camera footage of the, of the airplane hitting it. So. Yeah.
B
Okay, and where's the, where's the bullet? That would tell us a lot. If they can find the, the round that, that hit him.
A
They, I don't think that they're looking for it. I think they decided to pave over that area, you know, maybe create a memorial or something.
B
Yeah, yeah. Who needs the round anyway? Anyway, all I know about this is what I've seen on CSI Las Vegas and maybe they should call those actors in to do an investigation.
A
I think they should. Yeah. There was a. What's amazing to me is that they knew, you know, right away one of the first pieces of news that came out was that it was a 30 odd six. You know, that was like, that was one of the first details about that I heard that day when he was shot, you know, and it's like, well, that's really interesting. How do you know that? And you know, then of course then they do find this rifle later. But I heard that it was a 3006 before I saw, you know, photos of that at least. So. But they didn't recover the round.
B
Yeah, well, I wish that we were living in the world of the FBI, that TV program starring Ephraim Zimbalus Jr. In the early 60s when the FBI were absolutely all straight arrows, they wouldn't think of even telling a little white fib. Forget about possibly covering up a major assassination. Well, Ash Patel's got it on hand and all I can hope is that Dan Bongino to salvage what's left of his Reputation. After saying that, nothing to see with the Epstein event. I hope he resigns in disgust.
A
Yep. I think it's running a little long on that, though. You know, it's a salvage reputation he's got. It should have done it already.
B
Yeah, well, nothing that a good PR can campaign can't handle, apparently.
A
Apparently. All right, well, yeah, we'll see what happens with the TPUSA thing. I think. I think it's just going to basically die on the vine. My guess. I mean, who's going to be willing to donate $80 million to it now that Charlie was basically. They were just. They trusted Charlie and he was really doing the. Such the face of it. He was the out there on campus creating the context for the debates and stuff. So I just don't see how it. I think it's just going to dry up and blow away, be my guess.
B
Yeah. And it's certainly stirred up a lot of suspicion about the involvement of Zionist factions or the Israelis and so forth. We'll see how that all sorts out.
A
It has. But, you know, people say that, you know, but I just can't imagine if that's true. I can't imagine that the FBI wouldn't know it by now. You know what I mean?
B
Yeah, but that's. That's like classified information. This is. We're talking national security. So maybe they'll. Maybe they'll tell us in, well, 50 years.
A
Like 70, I think.
B
Yeah. Yeah. Like the Kennedy assassination. Oh, we were supposed to already have. Oh, well, forget about it.
A
I mean, we go through the Epstein list. You talked about 9, 11 already, the Las Vegas, whatever happened there with the shooting there. What about the drones over New Jersey? Or what about. What was the other thing that Trump was going to get to the bottom of right away? I already mentioned the Epstein list. I can't remember. But anyway, there's. Yeah, there's so many things, we just won't know the answer to any of them. It's just we're expected to eat this giant sandwich they give us and be happy.
B
Yeah. And. And, and if there's too much brouhaha over it, there'll be some other distraction, another assassination of some type or whatever.
A
Maybe a moon landing.
B
Well, that's right. There's a good chance the next moon landing will be done by the Chinese, not by the U.S. yeah, I think so.
A
I think so. All right, well, Doug, we'll wrap it up here for today. Have a good weekend. We'll be back next week with more.
B
Fantastic.
A
All right, thanks, Doug. Bye. Bye.
Date: September 19, 2025
Host: Matthew Smith
Guest: Doug Casey
In this episode, Doug Casey and Matthew Smith dig into the seismic shifts in international alliances—particularly the new defense pact between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan—warning that such "entangling alliances" have historically led nations into global disasters. The conversation expands to American foreign policy, domestic overreach, potential civil conflict, the erosion of constitutional rights, and the persistent mistrust of official narratives around high-profile events. The tone is skeptical, libertarian, and characteristically irreverent, with Doug repeatedly drawing historical parallels and expressing cynicism toward both government and corporate power.
“These alliances can only result in the kind of situation that you had in World War I... It's the same type of thing that's going on in the Middle East right now.” (03:28)
“There's absolutely no reason for having a US base there or in Bahrain.” (01:58)
“He emphasizes that the US should be friendly to everybody but not too friendly and definitely not allied to anybody. So word to the wise which has been completely forgotten.” (05:32)
“Only part of the Constitution that's observed today are technical details... The rest of it is a total dead letter.” (07:45)
“Nobody seems to recognize that it's not the Democrats per se that are our enemy. It's the institution of the state that's our enemy.” (09:23)
“I personally think [the markets melting down] will be the real catalyst for all this type of thing.” (13:35)
“These two groups that really hate each other… want to control the apparatus of the state… This can’t last.” (14:54)
“You've got to cut back the US government about 95% to solve the problem. That's the only solution short of separation.” (16:43)
“This is just a good reason to abolish the FCC. It’s none of their business... All involvement of the state, everything.” (19:24)
“Will the young men go for Charlie's wife to lead them the way? Probably not… If she tries to turn Turning Point into something to influence young female college students, that's a tough one.” (23:09–23:45)
“All we really know is what we're told on the media, which is… a lot of holes.” (24:19)
“We're expected to eat this giant sandwich they give us and be happy.” (28:56)
“It's all lies. You can't believe any of this stuff anyways. None of our business. And there shouldn't be a giant US base there.”
— Doug, on Middle East alliances and U.S. involvement (01:40)
“These alliances can only result in the kind of situation that you have had in World War I...”
— Doug, drawing parallels to historical disasters (03:28)
“He [Washington] emphasizes that the US should be friendly to everybody but not too friendly and definitely not allied to anybody. So word to the wise which has been completely forgotten.”
— Doug, on ignoring founding advice (05:32)
“Nobody seems to recognize that it's not the Democrats per se that are our enemy. It's the institution of the state that's our enemy.”
— Doug, criticizing state overreach (09:23)
“These corporations never do the right thing. They're basically just whores run by managements that don't have any skin in the game...”
— Doug, on corporate/state collusion (20:52)
“You've got to cut back the US government about 95% to solve the problem. That's the only solution short of separation.”
— Doug, advocating radical reform (16:43)
Casey and Smith argue that new global and domestic alliances threaten disaster, both by repeating historic mistakes and by fueling internal division. The expansion of state and corporate power is seen as the root rot in democracy, with chilling implications for liberty and trust in institutions. Their advice: learn from history, reclaim foundational principles, and treat all official narratives with sharp skepticism.