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Caller (Married Woman)
Yeah, hi, Dr. Laura, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my call. My husband and I have been married for 39 years. We generally have a good friendship. We generally get along. But we have some real sort of hurdles that we always need to get through. And I can enumerate those. But about three months ago, we both made the decision to like, physically separate. I got my own apartment and he's living in the house. And we've, we both are experiencing, I'm.
Dr. Laura
Sorry, what precipitated that you have to explain to me.
Caller (Married Woman)
So, yeah, I'd be happy to. So my husband, I know I don't want to make it seem like I'm blaming him because he has problems with me. But from my point of view, my husband has always been very impatient and kind of rough speaking with me. And I've always found that very difficult and he doesn't see it as a problem. So he really didn't have any incentive to change. So that's kind of an underlying issue that we've tried to work on even in counseling. But it really seems to Be just not changeable. But the second thing is, he has been very frustrated with me for two reasons. One is sexually, he considers me, quote, unquote, very vanilla and doesn't, you know, he doesn't like the idea of quote, unquote, lovemaking. He wants something more exciting. So he's been pursuing, trying to find some girl who has similar, you know, interests that he does, you know, sort of kinky, aggressive sex. And so I found out about that. He, of course, and so, of course, that became a problem. And then third of all, he is a really heavy user of marijuana. He smokes all day. He's trying to quit right now, but before I left, he was smoking all day. And I kind of figured it was clouding his judgment. And I didn't agree with it. I do not smoke myself. I'm really against it. And so those are the reasons that I. The second reason that the girls is the main reason why I told him we need to. I need to move out. And we need to kind of take six months, nine months to figure out what we really want. And yet both of us are kind of missing each other. We do talk, we do see each other, but I really think it's important for us to take this time. Are you interested in what he said about me, why he was frustrated with me?
Dr. Laura
Well, you mentioned the sex. If there's more, tell me that sex was big.
Caller (Married Woman)
There's a second reason, too. He did not feel that. He didn't feel, quote, unquote, nurtured. He didn't feel like I surprised him with little things. I'm sure that it's in your book. I should probably read the book. But like little surprises, little things to make him feel special. I really lacked in that department. And then third of all, he felt that I was kind of a very big burden to take care of. Only because he was kind of managing the household in terms of finances and cooking and shopping, and I was doing other things to kind of maintain our lifestyle. But he felt it was a burden for me, for him to take care of me without getting anything in return, even though I've told him that it gave him plenty of return. I loved him, I supported him, I was faithful to him. But he didn't see that as particularly important, or he thought it might be important, but not enough.
Dr. Laura
You said he did all the shopping and the cooking and the cleaning.
Caller (Married Woman)
So not cleaning, but shopping and cooking and finances. I did all the cleaning and financing and the kid and the kids and the grandkids.
Dr. Laura
Your grandkids live in your house?
Caller (Married Woman)
No, no, no, no. But my daughter, I help my daughter out a lot during the week.
Dr. Laura
So based on. So ba woohoo. So based on his point of view, what are you going to change?
Caller (Married Woman)
Well, if I did go back, this is what I would change. I would definitely pick up a lot in the kitchen. I would shop and I would do as much cooking as necessary for him to be well fed. I would try. I don't know if it's going to work out with him because he's to trying impatient, but maybe cook with him as well. Just take that on. Take that on much more. I would be less. I would try to be less reactive to his conversational style. It's just the way he was raised. His father was, you know, a real aggressive tough guy and he's kind of like that too. I would have to ignore a lot of that was being without reacting. The women thing. That's a big question. I don't know what I would do with that. In order for me to go back, I would have stop.
Dr. Laura
Well, you left out the sweet little nothings all day, every day to make him feel special.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yes, yes, yes. I would need to really put my thinking cap on what he really wanted. Does he want sweaters? Does he want surprise concerts? You know, I, I could definitely put a little bit more energy. I think I must have been taking him for granted, not realizing how important that was.
Dr. Laura
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Dr. Laura
I don't think he meant anything that you had to spend money on.
Caller (Married Woman)
Oh, okay.
Dr. Laura
I think he meant little things like putting a note around his toothbrush. It says, I love you, you're cute. Silly stuff. It shows a person that you're thinking about them. Buying some tickets does not indicate you're thinking about them. Surprising them with cute little things during the day. You know, one candy kiss with a note. I mean, I remember a couple that I knew a million years ago. Every day they would write each other notes. Every day for 30 years. Every day.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yeah.
Dr. Laura
Because each wanted. Yeah. In terms of kinky. You want to experiment? I guess you can. If not, then you have to tell him. That's the one thing that won't change.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yeah, the kind of. Just let me say one sentence here. He does not want that kind of sex with me because I'm quote, unquote, his wife and the mother of his children and grandchildren, and he doesn't see me in that light.
Dr. Laura
Oh, he wants extracurricular activity? Yes. Well, I guess he on his list of what he's going to change, he would have to give that up. And perhaps the two of you could go to a sex therapist so he could get past the notion that to do kinky stuff, he has to go outside his marriage. And it's not that you two might just enjoy experimenting. So maybe a sex therapist could help with that part.
Caller (Married Woman)
Got it. Got it. So does it seem doable from all this background?
Dr. Laura
Does it seem like if you're willing to do your part and he's willing to do his part, then, yeah, doable. But if only one of you does your part and the other doesn't, that's not workable. If the two of you do workable things and then stop doing these things, then we'll end up back here again. So nobody can tell you if this is going to work.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yes. May I ask you something? Do you have any sense of how long I should give it before I return? Should I give it more time for us to kind of feel out what it's like being without each other?
Dr. Laura
You can't go back to each other until you both are indicated that you understand and you're willing to change the following things. You have to discuss that out. That you miss each other is not an omen, that it's going to be okay. You can't be with a person that many decades and not miss them. It doesn't mean you're willing to sacrifice the things that they need.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yes. Very clear. Thank you so much. You've really made this make sense to me. I appreciate that. I'm certainly going to. I think I need to do the things that he wants me to do for my own sort of growth. You know, I feel like I was a failure in those. In those ways. I was taking him for granted and wanting him to do things that I should really be doing. So I'm willing to change. It's just a matter of what he is to meet me halfway.
Dr. Laura
But his drug use and probably will be a stumbling block, and his fantasies about other women becoming a sex stud out there. How old is he?
Caller (Married Woman)
70. He feels that he missed that part of his life where he should have been experimenting and getting acknowledgement from, you know, girlfriends and other women when he was younger because he was in med school. So he wants to kind of almost go back to that part of his life and repair it.
Dr. Laura
Well, then he would not have ended up with you and the children. You got to remind him of that.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yes. I think he felt pressure to go and live a traditional life.
Dr. Laura
We all look back and say, I haven't even looked back and say, I should have played more. I worked too hard. You know, that's. Everybody does that. Everybody looks back and says, oh, my gosh, the people who were wild wish they hadn't been wild, and the people who were not wild wish they had been wild, at least to some extent. I mean, that's just normal. But if you go back, then, you don't have the things you have today. They think they're going to have it both ways.
Caller (Married Woman)
That would be nice for them.
Dr. Laura
It's not the real world. I'd like you to search. If you have prime time or whatever the heck you have, I'd like you to search to watch a movie with him called the Butterfly Effect. It's about going back and changing things and what comes of it. The Butterfly Effect. I'm telling you, watch this with him or else.
Caller (Married Woman)
Okay. All right.
Dr. Laura
It is a brilliant way to bring to his attention what happens if you go back and change things, even for the better.
Caller (Married Woman)
Yeah. I'll tell you, even though I haven't been a very good cook, I've been a very good wife, I believe.
Dr. Laura
Please don't defend yourself with me. Just watch the movie with him, and then. I'd really love if the two of you called me back together. That would be seriously good. My number, 1-800-375-2872. If you like this podcast, be sure to rate it on Apple Podcasts or your favorite place to listen to my podcast. Of course, I'd love if you gave me five stars. And be sure to share this podcast with a friend on Facebook or your preferred social media platform.
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Date: February 6, 2026
In this episode, Dr. Laura Schlessinger takes a candid call from a woman navigating a physical separation after 39 years of marriage. The conversation is an in-depth exploration of marital challenges, unmet needs on both sides, addiction, sexual compatibility, and whether reconciliation is possible. Dr. Laura offers perspective, pragmatic suggestions, and emotional insights aimed at helping this couple—and listeners—determine what’s necessary for a healthy, sustainable partnership.
| Timestamp | Segment Description | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:32–06:50| Caller outlines marital issues and separation | | 06:50–07:13| (Ad/Non-content) | | 09:41–10:26| Dr. Laura elaborates on “nurturing” via daily small gestures | | 10:26–11:22| Conversation about sexual barriers and possible therapy | | 11:22–12:59| Dr. Laura’s framework for reconciliation and mutual change | | 13:16–13:49| Husband’s regrets about missed youthful experiences | | 14:24–15:13| On regret, “the butterfly effect,” and consequences |
Dr. Laura closes by challenging the notion that one can have the safety of a long marriage while exploring all paths not taken. She empowers the caller to focus on her own growth and a more loving marriage, while making it clear that true change requires both parties’ committed effort. The episode is a master class in discerning healthy boundaries, contending with regret, and the real, sometimes uncomfortable, work of rekindling a marriage.
Action Point:
Dr. Laura suggests the couple watch The Butterfly Effect together and, if possible, call her back as a pair for follow-up.
This summary encapsulates the complex, heartfelt, and practical tone of Dr. Laura’s guidance—a valuable listen for anyone grappling with marital crossroads.