DEEPLY DISTURBING: Twisted Glimpse Inside Kohberger's Life Before & After Idaho Student Murders

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Drop Dead Serious With Ashleigh Banfield

Episode: DEEPLY DISTURBING: Twisted Glimpse Inside Kohberger's Life Before & After Idaho Student Murders
Date: September 10, 2025
Host: Ashleigh Banfield
Primary Topic: Deep dive into never-before-seen photos from the phone of Bryan Kohberger, accused in the Idaho student murders, and insights into his psyche before and after the crimes.

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Overview

In this episode, Ashleigh Banfield provides a raw, emotional, and deeply personal analysis of dozens of previously unseen photos obtained from Bryan Kohberger’s phone. These images, unearthed by forensic experts and never before made public, span the time before and after the University of Idaho student murders. Banfield scrutinizes each, searching for clues to Kohberger’s psyche, vanity, and possible motives, and reflecting on the chilling sense of evil that permeates his self-portraits. The episode aims to humanize the victims, explore red flags in criminal behavior, and reflect on the true crime genre’s compulsion to understand and recognize “monsters” before they strike.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Photo Dump: What Was Found ([00:05]–[12:14])

• Banfield describes her visceral reaction:
  • “Some of the faces he makes and some of these pictures, it’s just the face of a monster.” (A, [01:31])
  • Photos are largely selfies, most never posted or sent—kept just for Kohberger himself.
• Context of the photos:
  • Dozens found on his phone; many taken before and after the murders; settings include bathrooms, hiking trails, restaurants, his apartment, and his parents' home.
• Search for red flags:
  • Banfield frames her analysis as a quest for understanding such individuals—how to recognize them:
    • “How can we recognize them? What pieces to the puzzle can we put together to just get a little bit smarter…?” (A, [05:30])

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2. Vanity, Narcissism & Chilling Details

(Bathroom Selfies, Wounds, and the Timeline) ([01:00],[10:00],[19:09],[20:10],[28:39])

• The infamous ‘thumbs-up’ selfie & injury:
  • After the murders, Kohberger photographed himself, with a bandaged ring finger, likely reflecting a cut sustained during the crime.
  • Weeks later, subsequent selfies show the same wound in healing stages:
    • “The wound on that finger, on that knuckle is still there.” (A, [03:14])
    • “Two and a half weeks later, it’s still healing, but the bandage isn’t on it.” (A, [20:58])
• Obsessive vanity:
  • Shirtless photos flexing, checking himself out in new jeans with tags on, multiple sequences showing him admiring his physique.
    • “He’s so vain. And he, for some reason, thinks his physique is fabulous, it seems in these pictures.” (A, [02:19])
    • “There’s a whole series of him checking out his butt in these new jeans that he bought.” (A, [12:18])
• Disturbing affectations:
  • Photos where he intentionally or unintentionally looks menacing, including references to horror icons:
    • “It’s just Michael Myers, you know, just so incredibly freaky.” (A, [04:28])
  • The “clown face” photo is highlighted as especially chilling.

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3. Pre-Murder Behavior: Outdoor Life, Notes, and Codes ([10:00]–[19:09])

• Outdoor images:
  • Multiple selfies hiking, at landmarks, in front of state capitals, and at sporting events.
  • Presence of bear spray and frequent outdoor activity.
• Encoded notes and possible airline codes:
  • Repeated selfies holding papers with his name, date, and cryptic codes.
    • “He tries to write them backwards and forwards because he knows that the camera or the mirror is going to reverse them.” (A, [11:08])
  • The meaning remains unclear but may document travels or other fixations.
• Shopping photos:
  • Mirror selfies in stores like Ross and TJ Maxx, sometimes trying on black clothing, which Banfield speculates might be connected to clothing worn during the murders.

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4. Post-Murder Mood Shift: Transformation & Psychological Observations ([21:28],[22:31],[28:46])

• Demeanor shift after the murders:
  • Banfield and producer Lindsay note an apparent rise in Kohberger’s confidence post-crime, particularly in more frequent flexing and shirtless photos.
    • “He looks like he’s exuding more confidence.” (B, [28:46])
    • “All the flexing is late. It’s after the murders.” (A, [28:59])
• Possible drug use:
  • Banfield speculates whether Kohberger might have returned to drug use during or after the events:
    • “I wonder if any of it is possible, if he got back into drugs during any of this, during the murders.” (A, [21:32])
• Comparisons to notorious killers:
  • Kobherger’s obsession with checking his appearance likened to infamous true crime figures (Dahmer, BTK, Bundy).
• Watching Bundy videos:
  • Right before his arrest, he was watching Ted Bundy YouTube videos; Banfield suggests possible emulation:
    • “Maybe he’s trying to look like it because the thumbnail is of Ted Bundy on the YouTube videos, right?” (A, [26:01])

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5. The Final Days: Road Trip, Return Home & The Arrest ([22:29],[23:55],[24:51],[25:14],[25:38],[26:01],[26:53])

• Driving across country:
  • Documented transition from Washington to his parents' home in Pennsylvania via selfies in the white Elantra—vehicle believed to be central to the crime.
  • Banfield imagines these photos as parallels to his movements the night of the murders.
• Home with parents:
  • In Pennsylvania, Bryan is seen taking selfies, including with a dog (possibly the family pet), and in the kitchen with plastic baggies—mirroring the notorious detail at his arrest:
    • “There’s a box of baggies on the floor… Who does this in the kitchen of your parents house? Ew.” (A, [26:55])
• Arrest context:
  • The last photos show Kohberger dressed in black, the color he was found wearing when police arrested him.

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6. Reflections and The ‘Papa Roger’ Theory ([29:15]–[30:43])

• Banfield revisits the internet rumor that Kohberger was “Papa Roger,” a suspicious online commentator on the case, noting investigators’ inability to confirm the link:
  • “Just the fact that they didn’t make the connection doesn’t mean he didn’t erase the connection. And they did admit that he was good at wiping these devices.” (A, [29:15])
• Continued calls for awareness:
  • Banfield articulates the underlying mission of her podcast:
    • “I am starving for those facts. I’m starving to find out what makes certain people in our flock turn that way. And I’m starving for red flags.” (A, [31:19])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Some of the faces he makes... it’s just the face of a monster.” (A, [01:31])
• “The wound on that finger, on that knuckle is still there.” (A, [03:14])
• “How can we recognize them? What pieces to the puzzle can we put together to just get a little bit smarter…?” (A, [05:30])
• “He really does want to check out his physique. He really likes to see himself flex.” (A, [24:14])
• “It’s just Michael Myers, you know, just so incredibly freaky.” (A, [04:28])
• “[These] are forensic evidence… this man is an enigma. We don’t know why he did this. We still don’t know what his motivation was.” (A, [26:55])
• “He looks like he’s exuding more confidence.” (B, [28:46])
• “All the topless pictures. This is all… after the murders.” (A, [28:59])
• “I just feel like the more we know, the more maybe we can see the flags, protect ourselves.” (A, [31:28])

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Timeline of Important Segments & Timestamps

• Introduction & Purpose – [00:05]
• Discovery and analysis of Kohberger’s selfies – [01:00]–[05:30]
• Discussion of injury and wound timeline – [03:14]–[20:10]
• Vanity and bathroom selfies discussion – [02:19]–[12:18]
• “Clown face” & sinister expressions – [04:28], [12:18]
• Outdoor activities & encoded notations – [10:00]–[19:09]
• Shift in photos after murders; confidence, flexing – [20:10]–[28:59]
• Driving home, final selfies, the arrest – [22:29]–[26:53]
• The “Papa Roger” theory revisited – [29:15]–[30:43]
• Host’s reflection on red flags, how to recognize evil – [31:19]–End

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Tone

Ashleigh Banfield adopts a personal, irreverent, and often blunt tone—frequently inserting her feelings (“makes me sick,” “I want to shove it,” “God help anybody out there if he returned them”), her outrage at Kohberger’s self-absorption post-murders, and her relentless quest for understanding what makes killers tick. Her delivery moves between macabre humor, direct address to the audience, and moments of empathy for the victims.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a haunting, detailed psychological snapshot of Bryan Kohberger through his own lens, as analyzed by an experienced crime reporter. It raises difficult questions about recognition, motivation, and evil, while humanizing the case’s victims and underscoring the ever-present challenge of identifying dangerous individuals before tragedy strikes.

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Transcript

[A]

Hey, everyone, I'm Ashley Banfield, and this is Drop Dead Serious. And this is an episode that is going to be kind of by the seat of my pants. If you're listening on the podcast, I'm going to highly recommend that you go and you watch this on the YouTube version of Drop Dead Serious because I'm about to fly through dozens and dozens of photos that I just got my hands on. And to my knowledge, most of these have never been seen before of Brian Kohberger. These are photos that were pulled from his phone by forensics experts Heather and Jared Barnard. They were hired by the investigators in Moscow to pull all of the data from Brian Kohberger's electronics, his laptop, his phone, whatever they could find. And they told me about this a while back, but now I'm seeing it firsthand. They told me on my News Nation show, Banfield, that he took so many selfies and never sent them to anyone, never shared them. They were just for him. Didn't post them, didn't do anything. They were just for him. And I got a weird feeling when they told me that. But it compares nothing to the sickness I feel when I see many of these selfies. And when you see them, you're gonna understand why I said that. Some of the faces he makes and some of these pictures, it's just the face of a monster. And some of the ways he admires himself is just so appalling. And also his physique, the way he just, I don't know, he's so vain. And he, for some reason thinks his physique is fabulous, it seems in these pictures. And really knowing what we know about him, it is so shameful and sick to see him. Let me just start right away by the one picture that stopped me in my tracks today. It's literally the face of Bryan Coburger as the monster we all know him to be behind those dead eyes. But now he actually shows himself that way. I have no idea why he took this picture, no clue why, but there's a couple of different angles of it. Very bizarre. I mean, I guess we've all made funny faces, but knowing who he is is not funny. Nothing about him is funny anymore, especially knowing he's always alone when he's showing these pictures. Many of the pictures are taken in his bathroom, as we've already known from some we've seen before. Especially the infamous selfie that was taken right after the murders where he gave the thumbs up and we saw the band aid on his ring finger. Imagining that may have been because he cut himself during the murders. Well, in one of these new pictures, he's actually shirtless in his bathroom and he's saluting himself. But what's interesting is that it's taken in December of 2022. That's either four to six weeks after. You know, actually it could be anywhere from two to six weeks after the murders. And when he is saluting, you can see his ring finger again weeks later. The band aid's gone, but the wound is still there. The wound on that finger, on that knuckle is still there. And I don't know if this happened during the murders. All I can tell you is that wound was bandaged the morning of the murders when he took that self righteous and self important selfie in his bathroom all showered up. So proud that band aid was visible on that same ring finger. I'm just gonna venture a guess he didn't go off and do all those stabbings with a band aid. Maybe he did, I don't know. But these pictures are so telling. There's one picture in particular that is an affectation of some kind, but it just looks like something out of a horror movie. He looks like he's got the face from a Halloween mask. It's an affectation, like I said, a blur. It's a lighting issue. But it's just so scary when you see it again. I don't know if he was trying to look scary, if this was an accidental picture, but I mean, it's just Michael Myers, you know, just so incredibly freaky. There's so many other pictures that again, knowing who he is now speak volumes. And I show you these pictures not just for the prurience of seeing someone I believe is a freak. He's just not one of us. He's in the category of Dahmer and btk, right? I show these because I'm still interested in Dahmer. I'm still interested in btk. I'm still interested in John Wayne Gacy. I want to know a how they tick, why they did these things, what are they like, how are they so different from us? And maybe most importantly, how can I recognize it in the people who are yet to come? Because we know there are more of these monsters out there probably right now among us. The wolves in sheep's clothing walking among you. How can we recognize them? What pieces to the puzzle can we put together to just get a little bit smarter, to just know a little bit more about who these animals are that do these horrific things to us? Because otherwise, if we did Nothing. We'd be lambs to slaughter. And we may just be anyway. But I'm gonna do my damnedest to try to figure out every motherfucking thing about people like this. So the photos are all we have to go on. So let's keep going through the pictures. And what's fascinating is that so many are taken after the murders and they're so self important. He's flexing, he's shirtless, he's admiring his ass in front of the mirror in so many of the pictures. Originally I thought it was just one. I thought it was just one picture with a new pair of jeans where he had the tag on it and he was admiring his butt, or at least looking if his ass looked fat in those jeans. And the truth was his love handles were hanging out the. The hem, right, the waistband. There's a bunch more of those pictures too, those dark jeans. And I don't know, I have no clue if he was ever photographing any of the pictures of the clothes that he wore for the murders. Likely the clothes that he discarded, buried or sank or did something, he did something to get rid of the clothes that he wore at 1122 King Road that night. But who knows if he bought some special or stole some special to have no evidence of purchase? Who knows? I did notice in a lot of these pictures, you zoom in, you see all these little details, right? Like the don't fuck with cats people always zoom in on the pictures. I love that. I noticed the bottles of Pure Life water. Pure Life, huh, Brian? Really Pure Life important to you? Really pure Life Life important to Bryan Coburger, right? He had a whole case of this shit in his apartment when they executed the warrant and took all those photos of his meager existence in Pullman, Washington. And again, these pictures are from his meager little existence in Pullman, Washington, before he left for Pennsylvania. But there will be some pictures. I will show you some pictures from his home in Pennsylvania that he shared with his parents. One really weird picture that shows him, and I'll get to it in a minute, but shows him with some plastic bags on the floor. And we know he was arrested in the middle of putting his garbage using plastic. Or using rubber gloves to put his garbage into little plastic bags to seal them. Okay, let me get you back now. Don't. To this incredible photo dump. Dozens and dozens of pictures we've never seen that Bryan Kohberger took of himself. I'm starting with a lot of the pictures that he took before the murders. Many of the hiking pictures Were taken in, you know, June and July and August. We don't know about pictures in September. This one is a strange one in a restaurant. I'm not sure which restaurant this one is in. I assume it's a restaurant. I think he set his phone up, say on the salt shaker, took himself a selfie there with these curtained walls. And you can just make. There's like a. You know, the bathrooms are behind him. So that's my assumption that is that he's in some restaurant maybe in Moscow, maybe in Pullman. This one I look at because I see a shower curtain. And when I see him taking pictures of himself in the bathroom and I see a shower curtain, it just makes me sad again, because we know that eventually he removed the shower curtain from his Pullman, Washington apartment. When they executed the warrant, there wasn't one. And that's why I assume he probably took a shower after the murders. And as a criminology student, knew that any trace blood that was on him that he was showering off may have gotten onto the shower curtain. So better to just get rid of it. So it's. It's always sad when you see the shower curtains that are still intact in the bathroom. Selfies that he takes, he takes a lot of pictures from different angles. So he'll be. There's this, you know, two in a row that are the same. It's just the same shirt, same location. Sometimes he tries smiling, sometimes he tries to brood and look tough. But he does take a bunch of pictures of the same scene and sometimes the same shirt. And now he's driving. I don't know if it's the same day or not, but here he is driving and here he is hiking in that same shirt as well, thumbs up. Boy, he sure likes that, doesn't he? Sure likes to, you know, be proud of himself with the thumbs up that just. Every time I see that fucking thumb, I want to shove it. Yeah. You know what I mean? This one is the upsetting one. I don't know what he was doing here. It's just so creepy. It's so Michael Myers. Knowing now what he did and seeing this. I think it's that thing you can't unsee. This is an interesting picture. He's very sweaty. He's all dressed in black. It's obviously nighttime. I'm wondering if he's out for one of his late night runs. And he has stopped and in front of the Cougars statue, because that's the mascot for Washington State University, the cougar. He even Has a sweatshirt that has the Cougars on it. You'll see that a little later on. But, you know, here he is, all proud of himself, sweaty and soaking wet. Okay, this is the weird stuff. I can't quite make it out, but he takes a lot of these pictures. He rips something out of a binder and he writes little codes, and he tries to write them backwards and forwards because he knows that the camera or the mirror is going to reverse them. But he has all these codes that almost look like airline codes, like airline tickets. We haven't been able to figure out what the codes are. But a lot of these pictures he'll snap of himself holding up a piece of paper like this with a date, his name, and one of these codes. And he snapped a whole bunch of these. See, there's one of them, right, with Brian Kohberger. 0, 7, 11, 20, 22. Right. July 11, 2022. And then there's that code. It looks like an airline ticket. Right? The strange thing is that when the investigators photographed these weird notebook notations with the large letters with Bryan Coburger, a date. And then they actually redacted. They put a black box over the codes. Maybe they didn't know what the codes were either, but now we do because we can see them in the photos. But there's a lot of those now. It kind of makes more sense, even though it doesn't make sense. What's he doing? What is he photographing? His name, a certain date and an airline ticket. Maybe he's documenting his travels yet again. Another bathroom selfie. Lindsay, is this the one? Are we zeroed in on this one? It's where he's checking his ass out in the new jeans. In the new dark jeans. Is this like a close up or is this a different shot?

[B]

This is unfortunately a different shot.

[A]

This is another shot of.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. His face is so, like, I don't know, pathetic. This is. There's a series of these. I didn't realize that when I saw the first one. I didn't realize. There's a whole series of him checking out his butt in these new jeans that he bought. He's still got the price tag on him. God help anybody out there if he returned them and someone else is wearing them or. I mentioned this on my last night's podcast. I wonder if he's out purchasing clothes for the murders or stealing clothes for the murders so that there's no sign of a purchase. Because, you know, these clothes are never going to show up anywhere else where whatever he murdered these Kids wearing. He got rid of that. He got rid of it. There's no way he would have been dumb enough to keep it and launder it because there was a lot of blood. There was. There was hand to hand combat with Zanna Kernodle. There's just no way that he wasn't covered and that he didn't get rid of his clothes. Here's an interesting one. He's at a ball game of some sort. This is again before the murders. So my assumption is this is on the west coast, maybe Washington. But he's pretty proud of himself. And then I wondered if this was him actually taking the picture so he could see the girl over his shoulder. I'm not sure if she's in the band or if she's a broadcaster or what's going on there with her, but I did suspect that was maybe what his motive was, was to snap that picture and get the girl in it. Because the other pictures, she's not over his shoulder. Okay, this picture looks to be like he's standing in front of the state Capitol. Lindsay, is that green flag the state flag for Washington state?

[B]

Yes, it is.

[A]

So this is Olympia. Capital of Washington State is Olympia. And I'll bet he's just on a little. I don't know, maybe a little field trip. But he's wearing one of that same T shirts that you see him wearing a lot out on his hikes, a lot of his pictures. Is that Mount Hood? I'm guessing maybe that's sort of a famous landmark in Washington state. He sure seems to like to photograph himself outside while he's hiking and in front of key locations. He's not very good with a camera. He's always half in the shade. And he tries to smile. There's that goddamn thumbs up again. I just want to hit him. Every time I see the thumbs up, I just get sick to my stomach because I know what he did the morning after the murders. So more of these hiking pictures. Out and about. Seem to be quite an outdoorsman. Remember, he had the bear spray when they photographed his apartment. They had an unopened can of bear spray. Maybe for the hikes, maybe for victims. Who knows? Who knows what he was planning to do? But in a lot of his pictures, he tries to look really macho and handsome. And then he does this smile and it's all. All is revealed. Let's just put it that way. All is revealed. So let's keep moving. These again, I'll remind you, are pre November 13th or pre murder. Here he is. Let's Go back to that one. Here he is checking himself out in a new shirt. It's got the tag still on it in front of what looks like some kind of a TJ Maxx sort of store with sh behind him. I don't know if the shoes he's wearing are what he wants to see as well as the shirt. Lindsay, go down to the top. That's actually a Ross feet.

[B]

I just looked at the tag. I think that's a Ross in this.

[A]

A Ross dress for less.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's like one of the tags on this shoe. I'm kind of. Yeah, I think it is. It's a Ross.

[A]

Can you pan down to the shoes so we can take a look and see if he's trying on shoes as well as this shirt? Do you see tags there? No.

[B]

No.

[A]

God. You know what I wonder about? Those black shoes. Just like the other stuff, he's dressed all in black when he kills the four University of Idaho victims. I wonder if those were the shoes, and I wonder if he got rid of them. You know, one of the things you'd have found out in the trial is if the shoes and all the photos were found when they executed any of the warrants. Right? So you would know. We executed warrants. We found all these shoes in your apartment. Where are these the ones in these photos? Because oftentimes they're, you know, the stuff that the killer gets rid of. Here's something pretty eerie. Bryan Coburger in the dark. I. I cannot help but think that this was the face that was looming over these poor victims in the 1122 King Road house. Although he did cover himself with a mask, you know, because he's just so brave, courageous. Here he is again, another one of these weird photos where he does a selfie with the note, you know, that he's written out in giant letters. This is August 17, 2022. Brian Kohberger. And then he's got that strange code. And again, it looks like an airline, you know, reservation code, but maybe it's something else. Maybe he's tracking his weight. Maybe he's tracking something else. But he sure did have a few of these on his phone. Different versions of it, different dates, different codes. But then also, the investigators found those pages and photographed them in his apartment. Again, more strange selfies. This one looks like he got a real tight fade. Maybe he didn't like the haircut because he really got wigged out about it, pardon the pun. And he took lots of pictures of the Brillo pattern that his hair Showed in the back of his head. You can see his air buds. And wanted to see it up close, I guess. I'm not sure what he's doing there other than maybe tensing. I don't know what it is.

[B]

Pushing his fist. Like white knuckling right there.

[A]

Yeah, he really is. He's white knuckling. Lindsay, is there any other telltale signs there other than the shower curtains? There any other telltale signs in that picture?

[B]

Another one. This one actually looks worse.

[A]

That's another picture. Red.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, that's another picture. Okay, believe it or not, this is a second picture. And you know, he's clenching his knuckles even harder. It's very strange. More pictures of the fade, the hair. Vain, absolute vanity on this guy. Another creepy one. Another creepy one. So many creepy ones. I wonder what he saw when he looked in the mirror. I wonder, honestly, what he saw before the murders. I wonder what he saw. And after the murders, I wonder what he saw. Okay, now I can tell you that this is, of course, as you know, the infamous picture from the morning of the murder. So this is November 13th. And there are pictures that are now dated as we move away from the 13th after he took this awful picture. He took plenty more selfies as he moved along. What date is this one, Lindsay?

[B]

These are both from November 25, 2022. And then when we move forward, it's December 2nd.

[A]

December 2nd. So he's still in his apartment in Pullman. No idea what's coming his way in in a month and a bit. Takes a lot of the same pictures. Do you notice, like, there's always a sequence.

[B]

Yeah. And it's interesting. He's taking. This is after the murders. We're literally seeing the change after the.

[A]

Murders, the change in his Persona. Oh, the one you're about to go to. Oh, the shirtless ones.

[B]

This one is dated November. I'm sorry, December 2nd also.

[A]

Is it December 2nd? Okay. Hey, wait a second. Lindsay, zero in on his ring finger December 2nd. So this is only two weeks after the murders.

[B]

And that looks deep. And I'm gonna say this because I have cut myself on accident on my fingers with a vegetable slicer.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And it looked like that when it was just sliced and it was raw.

[A]

And this is his left hand, to my knowledge. I don't know if he's right handed or left handed, but he seems to be right handed. Cause he takes his pictures with his right hand. So maybe as he was in a fight, he nicked his own left ring finger. But he had the bandage on that finger, the morning of the murders. If you zoom in the ring finger, you can see that knuckle bandaged. So that's the 13th of November. And you said this is December 2nd, the saluting picture?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Two and a half weeks later, it's still healing, but the bandage isn't on it. In this, you know, half naked selfie, I don't know what he's trying to. Seeing himself there. He looks sort of like a. Like a war victim almost.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

More selfies with the thumbs up. Three days later, three days after that, that saluting picture. So that would be December 5th. Okay.

[B]

Another selfie.

[A]

This one is Washington State University, black hoodie.

[B]

He's. He's at his apartment. This is 12, 9.

[A]

These series, these are from December 9th, the series of. I don't know what he was doing. I wonder if he. If it's possible he got back into drugs, you know, I wonder if any of it is possible, if he got back into drugs during any of this, during the murders. I wonder.

[B]

This, this looks like Ted Bundy does.

[A]

Does. And we know he was watching Ted Bundy videos before they arrested him.

[B]

Now these. He keeps putting his bangs back and knowing what we know now. I don't know, it seems weird. Why is he doing that? Does he want to look at himself, how he might have looked? And I kind of. When we get to the next pictures, you'll kind of see why I think this.

[A]

Let's see.

[B]

These are from.

[A]

Is this the drive across the country with his dad?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So here he is in a vehicle. Obviously it's the white Elantra. That's what they were driving across the country. Dad was in the passenger seat for a couple of those police stops. Here he is at night and you just imagine like dad's in the seat beside him, more than likely. And he's snapping these selfies. Unless he's at some point, you know, gas station stop. But this is a picture. I keep thinking of what it looked like when he was driving in that white Elantra to murder those kids in the dark. This is what it looked like. He's behind the wheel, it's dark. Maybe there's a headlight behind him every so often. Who knows? But this is the scene. Like, this is what it looked like when he was on his way to a quadruple murder. But what you're seeing is the getaway, you know, weeks later.

[B]

Do you think that he wanted to see what he looked like?

[A]

I wonder. I wonder if that's what it is. If he wanted to See what it looked like while he was driving away in the dark. And also when he puts the hoodie over his face and it's the day before he's arrested. He just tries to look so scary, like a serial killer. It upsets me to see him with the dog. It made me angry. It's like he doesn't deserve dogs. I wonder whose dog it is.

[B]

If it's his parents, he's at home at this point. Yep.

[A]

He's in Pennsylvania for this, right?

[B]

This is the parents house. December 18th. All of these. And then the dog one is the 19th, but starts with the 18th. Right here.

[A]

Yeah. There he is with his black Washu sweatshirt on with the hoodie up. And he took a few of these pictures, and they're just disturbing the look that he gives the camera. These are the most disturbing. I mean, these in the clown face that he made. He really does want to check out his physique. He really likes to see himself flex. He.

[B]

These are all two days before Christmas.

[A]

Two days before Christmas. 23rd. Interesting. He didn't take any pictures of Christmas and the holidays, and they didn't put them in these files. Again, this is a driving shot, isn't it? In the dark.

[B]

Christmas Eve.

[A]

This is Christmas Eve. He's driving on Christmas Eve, taking a shot of himself behind the wheel of his white Elantra in the dark. Which, as we all know, is exactly what he did so often. Skulking around 1122 King Road for months and months, casing the place in the dark since Christmas. This is Christmas Day. Interesting choice. I'm going to take a selfie on Christmas Day. No Christmas theme.

[B]

This is Christmas. This is it, too.

[A]

Christmas Day. Again. Doesn't look very happy.

[B]

He got Cole. This is two days later. 27th.

[A]

27Th. Walls are closing in. He doesn't even know it. This is him trying to look cute with the smile. It doesn't work.

[B]

28.

[A]

28Th. And this is the 29th. I know it. It's my. Yeah, it's my birthday, so I know this picture. I'll never forget it. I can't unsee it. There's a couple of them like this, right? Takes a few like this, not just one. Yeah, I thought so. Couple of angles. This is just after he'd watched the. The Ted Bundy YouTube videos, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, maybe he's trying to look like it because the. The thumbnail is of Ted Bundy on the YouTube videos, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

In the black hoodie. Yep. Little did he know he wouldn't be taking any more Selfies. The next day he'd be arrested in the middle of the night trying to put his garbage into little baggies using latex gloves. The police found him all dressed in black. So this makes sense, right? This is what he's choosing to wear. In his parents home. They found him all dressed in black. And there's a picture. I don't know if you can find it, Lindsay, that shows him in his. Looks like a pantry or the parents basement. Place is kind of, you know, littered with stuff behind him. But there's a box of baggies on the floor.

[B]

Good sense.

[A]

Good sense. Is that what they are? Yeah. There you go. I don't know if those are the baggies that they found him using, but there isn't the kitchen doing this as well, by the way. It's the kitchen. Who does this in the kitchen of your parents house? Ew. I mean, it's just so. Everything about him, I mean, listen, everything about a quadruple killer is unappealing. But this is just next level, this peek into his personal and private life. Which, by the way, I have no issues. These are forensic evidence, these photographs. And this man is an enigma. We don't know why he did this. We still don't know what his motivation was. We're trying to find anything we can. Look at this. Look at this clenched knuckle trying to flex. I don't know if it tells us much, but we get at least a little bit of. A little bit of a. An insight into this man. Especially the fact that he had so many pictures of himself just for himself. He didn't send these, he didn't share, he didn't post. He just kept them for himself. Look, I consider myself pretty vain. I'm on tv, for heaven's sake. I don't have this many pictures. I don't have very many at all. Selfies like this, alone in the bathroom. Certainly not like that. It's just such a.

[B]

And this is right after the murders. It's so gross.

[A]

Like, what date?

[B]

This does look different.

[A]

What is this date?

[B]

This is December 2nd.

[A]

December 2nd. You think he looks different?

[B]

I do.

[A]

What do you think is different about him?

[B]

I don't know. It's almost like he. He just. He. It's like he got more confidence. He looks like he's exuding more confidence.

[A]

In himself because all the flexing is late. It's after the murders. Yeah. All the. All the topless pictures. This is all. And the, you know, saluting. Who are you saluting?

[B]

The ones. The ones before looked lonely. This is like, I got a new lease on life.

[A]

By the way, I'm still not 100% convinced that he's not Papa Roger. Just the fact that they didn't make the connection doesn't mean he didn't erase the connection. And they did admit that he was good at wiping these devices. So it is entirely possible that he wiped everything Papa Roger. Because it was starting to get a little too close to home, wasn't it? The Papa Roger stuff. I mean, he was dropping stuff about the sheath and then trying to get people off the white Elantra. As soon as the Facebook group started talking about the white Elantra, he started to try to get them red herrings, get them off that tail. And I wonder if that isn't at some point when he finally said, I gotta start figuring this out. Although, Lindsay, they do have posts that go up to December 30th, right? Like, Papa Roger was still posting December 30th, and then he was arrested the next day. So they would have confiscated the electronics really fast. He wouldn't have had time to wipe his. He wouldn't have had time to erase.

[B]

His connection unless he was always operating, maybe on a VPN or something. I'm not sure.

[A]

It blew my mind that prosecutors couldn't make that connection. That they could not make that connection to Papa Roger blew my mind, because it just made sense.

[B]

If Papa Roger listens to this podcast, can they please come forward?

[A]

Yeah. In the comments, please. We'd appreciate it. Well, listen, I think we've gone through just about every one of them of these new photos, and it was a lot to go through. And frankly, I gotta say, it was stunning just to see these brooding pictures. The ones that stand out the most are the clown face he was making, this awful yellow smile that he made. The Halloween sort of Michael Myers affectation that the flexing shirtless with white knuckles, and then the salute with the wound that's still healing on the knuckle. I think so much of that is so telling. And I just wonder what it would have been like in a trial. You know, how much of these pieces would have been put together in the trial? How many pictures would they have said, these shoes don't exist anymore. These pants don't exist anymore. They're not in any of the closets or seized items that we were able to execute on warrants. We believe these are the clothes he wore in the murder and the clothes that he disposed of on the way. How many of these? The knuckle? We believe this is a wound that he received on November 13th when he murdered these four innocent kids. Let's say their names again. You know, Zanna Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalez. You know, these kids would be out in the workforce now and maybe even getting married, maybe even planning their families. They just were so cut short in such innocence. And I want to repeat something we've learned just recently in a lot of the evidence and the body cam interviews. Again, every little piece is one more piece of the puzzle, but this one stood out over and over. I kept hearing different interviews where people said, no, these four kids were so nice. They didn't have any enemies. Police would say, you know, anybody who's got a beef with them? And no, they all said the same thing. All the witnesses who were interviewed said the same thing. No, these people in this house were really, really nice. They didn't have any enemies. And so it just brings home, yet again, one more aspect of absolutely how unfair this was. This. This random targeting. We're not there yet, are we? We don't know why. We don't know why Jeffrey Dahmer did what he did. YBTK did what he did. But every time I learn something new, I am starving for those facts. I'm starving to find out what makes certain people in our flock turn that way. And I'm starving for red flags. I just feel like the more we know, the more maybe we can see the flags, protect ourselves. You know, obviously, it's impossible the way these kids were killed. They couldn't see it coming. But listen, I just want to say thank you so much for, you know, sitting through all my rambling. I appreciate it. I know this is a long podcast, a lot of photos to go through. Thank you so much for watching and listening. And if you remember one thing from this podcast, I always say it, the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead. Seriously.