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Disturbing Selfie Trove Found on Bryan Kohberger’s Phone | Idaho Student Murders
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Hey, everyone. I'm Ashley Banfield, and this is Drop Dead Serious. And I want to talk about something in this episode that I think you're all feeling. While Bryan Kohberger is rotting in prison. Thank you, Jesus. A mystery is still left unresolved. The why. The why did he do it? Why those kids? How. How does anybody do this? I mean, it just doesn't make any sense, right? And every little detail. Whenever you hear investigators say, tell me every little detail, no detail is too small. It's true. Every tiny detail adds one piece to a puzzle. It may be a small piece, but it leaves the solution to the puzzle to continue. Right? It is a critical piece, even if it's small. And so what I'm about to show you tonight is just a piece of the puzzle. It's not an answer, but it gets us closer to who this monster is, is because we're learning a hell of a lot more about Bryan Kohberger. And wouldn't you know it, it's not coming from him. It's not coming necessarily from people who have insight, who knew him well, who were friends. He doesn't have many, if any. It's coming from pictures, actual photographs that investigators were able to pull off of his cell phone. Folks, they are chilling as they are selfies, and there are dozens of them. And I say chilling because I'm not gonna lie, they look a hell of a lot like that one selfie that he snapped just hours after he viciously butchered Matty Mogan and Kaylee Gonzalves and Ethan Chapin and Zanna Kernodle? Remember the one where he was smiling, giving a thumbs up right outside his shower, as though he was freshly showered and pulled it off and figured, look at me, PhD. I got this. I nailed it. Did it. I'm not so sure why he was so proud, because by this point, he would have known he left the sheath behind. Huh? Idiot. Yeah, he would have known. So I don't know what the fucking thumbs up was about, pal. Yeah, he's probably eating crow on that one. As he stares at the four Walls at the maximum security institution in Idaho. The new photos that I'm about to show you were actually uncovered by two people I've interviewed a fair bit on my News Nation show, banfield. It's at 10 o' clock Eastern, in case you're willing to watch. And these two folks, Heather and Jared Barnhart, they're a couple, but they're also a digital forensics team. They happen to be the experts that were brought on by the authorities in Idaho to analyze Brian Coburger's electronics. Right. They went through his cell phone, they went through his laptops, they went through everything. And I've done extensive interviews with them. And you can go back through the episodes. We'll put a link here for you to go back and see some of the interviews with them. It's really, really insightful what they saw, what they found and the pieces they put together. But these photos, oh my God, these photos that they pulled, they. Well, let me just, let me say it this way. They paint a very disturbing portrait of a man we also find so incredibly distasteful and disturbing. In a brand new episode of 2020 called Idaho Justice, Jared Barnhart told 2020 that there were countless selfies like this. He told me too, on this show that there were a lot of selfies. Coburger took these from every angle of himself. Mixed in were shots of him flexing, pictures of him half naked, posing to camera. But the weirdest, creepiest part is that Jared told us that he never sent the photos to anyone. He just did them for himself. They were his own personal photo album, his own little selfie album to check himself out. What do the pictures tell us, though? What do they say about the man behind these horrific murders? All right, these incomprehensible murders, what do the photos tell us about the double life that this criminology PhD student was living? Well, let's break it down. Let's. Let's just go photo by photo, shall we? And we'll start with this one. Okay, this first one shows us he's obviously out on a lake somewhere. And we do know that he liked hiking, right? We do know some hikers said that they felt they encountered him. Whether it was him or not. Never proven, but here he is given the best smile he could possibly muster with. Whatever the hell's going on inside that head. Clearly doesn't know. Good lighting. Yeah, because it's a bad picture. But it does show. Again, likes the outdoors. And then here we, here we are too, with probably an Idaho picture. It's my Guess he's got the backpack on and he's out in bad lighting again. Shadows taking a picture of himself. Not smiling, though. And then this next picture shows us another angle. Maybe he's trying to look a bit James Bond here. I don't know, because it really looks like the mountain is the other way. He just took that picture and then decided to pose and show another angle. It's not flattering any way you take it, Brian. No matter what you do, it never will be. And then this one is wearing a different shirt, so I'm guessing it's on a different hike or at least a different day of some kind. So still looks like he's in the great outdoors, but I don't know what's he trying to show here? Tree is tall. If you're listening on the podcast, I highly encourage you to go and check the YouTube drop dead serious account because you're going to see all these pictures and be able to sort of zoom in and get your own, you know, investigation going to what maybe these pictures tell you about him. This one made me sick, because you know what it says? He. He's doing the thumbs up just like he did after the butchering of four kids. So somehow this sunset or this sunrise in the background, yet again, he's got the backpack, probably on a hike. He seems to think that's joy. What I would like to know, and the Barnharts did not share this, and I don't think it's true, is if this was anywhere around the times of the murders. Did he take this as if to say, look at me, I survive another day. They haven't caught me yet. I don't know if it's before or after the murders, but since they made big hay of the selfie after the murders in the bathroom with a thumbs up, I would think that they would make hay of this one as well if it was taken in certain proximity to the murders. But, you know, here he is again, showing off. This is me, look at me. But again, showing off just for himself. Here he is. Different T shirt, different day. Looks a little sweaty on this one. I'm guessing it's again, a hike. Seems like he's up high and he's got that same backpack. It appears if we zoom in a little bit, that little label there says Swiss gear. This was his backpack of choice. I wonder if he took it the night of the murders. I wonder if they found it among his belongings when they executed warrants. I wonder if it got blood on it. I wonder if he left it in the car with his change of clothes. Or I wonder if he threw all of his bloody clothes into that backpack and then hurled it into a body of water or buried it somewhere along the way. I still think maybe at some point, you guys, I still think that someone is going to unearth Bryan Kohberger's trove of post murder evidence. The stuff he tried to get rid of before he came back to his apartment, all the bloody shit that he got rid of. Because you know, no matter what he was wearing, that black stuff was covered. There was so much blood in that house. It was strangely conditioned Condensed in Kaylee's and Maddie's murder scene, but in Zanna and Ethan's. Look, it's no secret Zanna fought him like a tiger and probably got some good licks in on him. And he got blood on him. So he's done something with those clothes. I keep wondering if that backpack, or any backpack like it is going to show up unearthed when someone's digging somewhere. This next picture looks like it's in that same filthy, disgusting, awful bathroom. I only say that because the aura and the vibe in that bathroom is disgusting, as is he. But the bathroom itself, when we looked at the police photos, was like spic and span clean. But that shower curtain in the background there, that was missing when police came in. That shower curtain may very well have been disposed of because Bryan Kohberger's showering when he got home from the murders probably would yield some evidence, right? The splash of maybe some tiny particle of blood could be on the shower curtain. So the criminology PhD decided shower curtains gotta go. But he didn't go out buy a new one. Maybe he was too clever to think. Woof. If I'm seen buying a new shower curtain, they might wonder why and where the old one is. In any case, here he is in that same bathroom where he snap the selfie. Not sure exactly what he's trying to achieve with this picture. He looks catatonic and stunned, like a stunned carp. This isn't the kind of selfie you want of yourself, right? This isn't the kind of picture you'd want to save on your phone. This is the one you delete because. Ugh. Oh God. Oh, I look awful. I guess Bryan Coburger liked it though, because he kept it. It was there in the trove. This one is particularly satisfying to me. Everybody, if you look at this picture, not only does his face look contorted and freaked, but it's what he's doing in the background. You can see the mirror. He's got the selfie cam taking a picture into the mirror so he can look at his ass in a new pair of jeans that still has the price tag on it. And you know what? For a guy who lost a ton of weight, he's still got love handles. And they're spilling out over the tight jeans that he's trying on. I wonder if he kept them. I wonder if he took them back. I wonder if he chose these jeans for the night of the murders. I wonder if that's what he was doing, if these photos were actually of clothes being planned for his murders. So look, I've done a big deep dive with Lindsey Haller, who, you know, is the producer of Drop Dead Serious. And we have been able to determine that this is the bathroom in the Pullman, Washington apartment. And the reason we can tell you that is a couple of different telltale signs. If you zoom into the plot right behind his head that's sort of on the, the wall beside the counter right there, it's in. It's the exact same plug that's in the pictures that the forensics team, you know, photographed in his apartment. But not only that, in case you think maybe, well, okay, plug's not enough. Those two towel bars meet right there. And it's the exact same pattern of towel bars that were in the forensics pictures. Go to the bathtub. If you zoom in on the bathtub and there's like a bottle of Lubriderm or something, tub, you can see that the connector there's like a water, water deflecting device that's attached to the tub and goes up against the wall. Those exact devices are found in the forensics pictures in his Pullman apartment. And then also a heater cooling sort of device. You can see it just above Coburger's head in the reflection in the mirror. You can see a heating cooling device against the wall that also is depicted in the photos. And then one other telltale sign. There are two sinks in this bathroom. If you look just to the, just to the right in this picture off of Coburger's left shoulder, just below his left shoulder, you can see the curvature of a sink behind him. It's actually the second sink in that vanity. While he had a one bedroom apartment, you know, it is a family housing area, so they do accommodate for married couples, and maybe they have a double vanity sink for married couples. But in the photographs that the, you know, forensics teams took of his apartment, there were two sinks in the vanity as well. So we've gone through a lot of markers that indicate this is indeed his Pullman Washington bathroom in the same place where he took his foul selfie. His self important I did it. I carried off the worst crime in Idaho history. And you know, I would say one of the worst crimes in recent modern history in the United States. I butchered four people and I think I got away with it. Yeah, that's the same apartment, that's the same bathroom. That's the same selfie mirror. That's the same foul beast that did it right there, checking out his ass. Okay, this next one is yet another brooding, callow, self absorbed selfie. I've been trying to figure out where this picture was taken. And at first I thought the bathroom, but then I realized, no, I think it's more door frames behind them. But the eyes, it's what we all talk about. We have a really tough time, all of us here in this community, getting over that stare and the evil behind those eyes. And it's really exemplified in this photo. Here's yet another one. He's wearing a Wash U State pullover sweatshirt. Wsu, Washington State University, they call it Washu. And I remember his dad, when they were getting pulled over on their cross country trip back to Pennsylvania, said to the officer, we're just coming back from Wash U. As though someone in Indiana would know what Wash U was. But. Cause the officer said, what's that? And the dad's like, oh, Washington State University. And there's the sweatshirt. Clearly he had some school spirit, although the rest of his spirit was pretty dark. This black hoodie, I don't think that this is what he was wearing in the murders because Dylan certainly didn't see that WSU on the front. She just said all in black. And he had a slender build, like a basketball player. And so this would be more bulky if you were wearing this hoodie. And she would have said hoodie because look, look how much it stands up that back hoodie. But yet again, look at that face. Look at the look, look at those eyes again, sallow and just callous and unfeeling and Maybe, you know, 2020 vision gives us the evil. But I don't know. I'd have been nervous about seeing a guy like that on a dating profile out of swipe pretty fast, that's for sure. Something's wrong with this guy. Here's another picture that's really curious. I don't know where it's taken, but it's. I'm guessing this is in class at Washington State maybe. I don't know. DeSales. Hard to say, but he looks pretty similar to his pictures in Washington State. What I find fascinating about this picture is that someone took it. He didn't take it. Someone else took it of him with his notebook. I want to know who took this picture. I want to know if he asked someone to take this picture of him, wanted to look studious, wanted a little piece in his collection, looking like he was busy writing something important. In any case, this is definitely something that looks like it's more in the academic environment. But I would love to know who snapped the picture. We've all seen this picture of him in high school. So remember the high school yearbook said that he was doing push ups as part of his law enforcement class and he, he wanted to become a US Army Ranger. Fat chance. You probably would have been flagged right from the get go with a mind like yours and a proclivity like yours. However, this is Bryan Kohberger in his younger years. Much, much heavier. Presumably pre heroin problems because that was also chronicled as a struggle that he went through after high school. I think we're starting to see the weight loss with this picture. I mean, what an incredible difference between the last picture and this picture. Losing a lot of weight. But look at that stare. Look at that stare yet again. Hindsight's 20 20, but we look at those eyes and we feel like we can see the evil. Would we have felt the same way if we saw this picture of a stranger? I don't know. This picture is interesting. You may have seen it before, but I'll remind you. Brian Kohberger went through rehab and a friend of his named Casey Arndt said that this was a picture of him at a mutual friend's wedding where she encountered him. She said it was the last time she ever saw him, but that she commented to him that she thought he looked good and was proud of him from having, you know, beaten drug addiction and gotten through rehab. But this may be one of his happier moments. I don't know, it's hard to tell because he doesn't smile. But again, this is at a wedding. Here again is the infamous selfie just a few hours after the murders. Looking like he's freshly showered with a button down shirt, giving the thumbs up in his bathroom. I did it. I pulled off the murders. Again, I think he knows the knife sheath was left behind, so I don't know why he's so smug here. But this is a really good quality photograph with more digital resonance. And so the reason I wanted to put that photo in this lineup, even though I know you've seen it already is because we can zoom in better to his ring finger. There is something on the ring finger that you know, you cannot escape seeing. It's a band aid just below that mid knuckle. You can see a band aid on his ring finger. You know, you got thumb index, third and fourth. It's that fourth finger right there. You see the band aid. In any case, it's his left hand that he's doing the thumbs up with. I'd like to know what kind of shape was his right hand in because he may have slipped a few times with all the blood on his hand on the knife, and maybe he's cut his hand. And other students said that they saw injuries. Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? As he goes into the prison bathroom every day, does he look into the mirror and still marvel at his appearance? Is he trying to stay fit in the prison gym? Does he get time in the prison gym? Is he so protective at this point? Is the custody so PC so protective that he can't even use the gym? Is he gaining weight? Because he knows, why bother now? I'm never leaving here. When he looks in the mirror in the bathroom in the prison at the Idaho Max, what does he think now? Is he proud? Does he think he pulled it off even though he's stuck behind bars for the rest of his life? Or does he just see the same empty, evil eyes that we do? It's just so hard to know. Okay, and then let's wrap it. Did I finish all the script? We just go through photos. Oh, okay. Okay. I know one thing. I cannot unsee some of those pictures, though. I really would like to. But it's for me, every single tiny detail of this story helps to get that much closer to figuring out the final answer. Which is why? How? How could you? Why them? I don't know if we'll ever get there, folks, but I for one, am waiting for that jailhouse interview that we heard rumor was going to happen. I'll keep covering it. I'll keep looking for the tiny pieces. I'm so thankful that you're here. I'm so thankful that you're part of this community. If you're listening, thank you. If you're watching, thank you. And if you remember one thing from this episode, it's that the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead serious.