EXPLOSIVE Accusations in Ohio Double Murders | Monique & Spencer Tepe, Michael McKee

Summary

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Episode: EXPLOSIVE Accusations in Ohio Double Murders | Monique & Spencer Tepe, Michael McKee

Date: January 28, 2026
Host: Ashleigh Banfield
Guest: Jennifer Coffindaffer (retired FBI agent)

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Episode Overview

Ashleigh Banfield dives into the bombshell release of documents in the case against Dr. Michael McKee, arrested and charged with four counts of aggravated murder in the deaths of Monique and Spencer Tepe. With new details from the Franklin County Municipal Court, including the arrest complaint and the affidavit in support of probable cause, Banfield breaks down the disturbing evidence, steps through the investigation, and analyzes chilling behavioral patterns with retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer. This episode is a deep, irreverent, and candid look at the clues, the suspects, and the systemic realities of spousal abuse and escalation to murder.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Court Documents & the Case Against Dr. Michael McKee

— [02:05]

• Banfield has obtained the arrest complaint and affidavit for Michael McKee.
• Key Legal Language: Both Monique and Spencer Tepe were described as being shot "multiple times,” contradicting earlier police statements that Monique was shot only once.
• Banfield’s reaction: “Some of it I, I gotta be honest, fully expected, some of it I did not expect at all.”

2. Forensic and Investigative Findings

— [06:20–11:00]

• Timeline:
  • Dec 30, 2025: Police perform a welfare check after Dr. Tepe fails to show up for work; both victims found deceased with gunshot wounds. Their two young children were found unharmed in the home.
  • Pronouncement: Paramedics declared victims dead within 14 minutes of arrival.
• Prior Abuse & Threats:
  • Friends reported Monique told them McKee had been abusive, made numerous death threats, forced unwanted sex, and attempted strangulation.
    • “[Monique said] he could kill her at any time…that she will always be his wife.” — Banfield [13:44]
• Escalating Behavior:
  • Police obtained video of a suspect (allegedly McKee) surveilling the property and entering its "curtilage" 24 days before the murders, during which the Tepe family was away.
  • The vehicle was registered to McKee’s past and present addresses. It was seen with both a stolen Ohio plate and an Arizona plate at different times.

3. Chilling Parallels to Other High-Profile Cases

— [20:50; 50:08]

• Banfield connects McKee’s alleged decision to leave his phone at work during the murders to mistakes made by Bryan Kohberger, referencing the Idaho murders case.
• “Did he know about Kohberger getting screwed by his stupidity of taking his phone with him?” — Banfield [20:50]
• McKee’s use of license plate swapping, belief in his own intellectual superiority, and rookie missteps are discussed.

4. The December 6 “Dry Run” and Its Psychological Impact

— [22:31; 54:43]

• On Dec 6, 2025, while the Tepes attended the Big Ten championship game (with friends and without their kids), video captured the suspect on their property for hours.
  • Banfield posits that Monique, possibly alerted by home security notifications, witnessed McKee on camera, sending her into panic and prompting her to leave the game.
  • “I really wonder if Monique saw Dr. Michael McKee at her home.” — Banfield [23:14]

5. The Forensic Interview with Jennifer Coffindaffer (Retired FBI)

— [27:20–63:09]

Multiple Gunshot Wounds:

• Jennifer Coffindaffer:
  • “This complaint makes it clear that Monique and Dr. Tepe…was shot multiple times. So it means something.” [27:20]
  • Speculates on errant initial reports due to incomplete first scene assessments and the possibility of shell casings being picked up or hidden.
  • “It's very obvious they were shot multiple times.” [28:07]

Abuse Dynamics and the Reluctance to Report

• “It only lasted seven months, it would seem, because she was being brutalized and attacked at home and wanted out of it at all costs…it's really sad whenever you see domestic violence. Right. It starts and escalates.” — Coffindaffer [30:16]
• Discussion on why Monique may not have reported: privacy, fear, prior escalation of violence when police are involved,
• “I think she thought…she did do everything right. Right? She moved away. She…completely got him out of her life. She lived over 300 miles away. Just wasn’t enough.” — Coffindaffer [32:19]
• Both speakers stress men also suffer domestic violence (Betty Broderick cited as flipped parallel case).

Psychological Profile of the Suspect

• Analysis of possible sadistic tendencies, satisfaction motives, and the likelihood of “control” behaviors during the crime.
• “Would he want psychological abuse? Would he want to draw it out and enjoy it?...I would not doubt…he tortured her in a certain way, even if it was just emotionally and verbally before killing her.” — Coffindaffer [37:25]

Survivor Fear and Damage

• “If you look at the man he is to everybody else, he’s a vascular surgeon…No criminal record. But she did know the dirty secret.” — Banfield [42:03]
• “I think she was terrorized in her tracks, Ashley.” — Coffindaffer [63:04]

6. Mistakes, “Intellectual Superiority,” and Case Parallels

• Both Banfield and Coffindaffer note that highly educated suspects frequently make critical, “rookie” mistakes because of arrogance:
  • “You take extremely educated individuals…make these just rookie mistakes that…[anyone] would think, hmm, maybe I shouldn’t do that.” — Coffindaffer [48:49]

7. Forensic and Behavioral Evidence

• Vehicle: Registered to McKee, video captures distinct vehicle features, swapping of plates; attempted removal of registration stickers after the murders.
  • “He’s trying to cover his tracks. He’s way too late, and he didn’t do it.” — Coffindaffer [60:36]
• Surveillance: Dates of suspect’s movements coincide with days McKee is off work.
• Alibis: Police were alerted by “untruthful” explanations for McKee’s whereabouts on crucial dates.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is what detectives are documenting in black and white as they piece together the investigation into the murders…with their children sleeping down the hall.” — Ashleigh Banfield [02:52]
• “She told her friends that he raped her and tried to kill her by strangling her.” — Banfield [09:16]
• “You want evidence of premeditation…to support aggravated murder? Hello. That’s this.” — Banfield [16:27]
• “Forced unwanted sex is rape, plain and simple.” — Banfield [31:00]
• “And maybe her fear was not to escalate anything, because…these two kids. I have to keep the status quo and just do what I can to keep our environ safe.” — Banfield [42:29]
• “It's so hard because they're so afraid that that's gonna ignite immediate action against them, and it's out of fear, for the most part, why they don't go forward.” — Coffindaffer [34:14]
• “People are lazy by nature, and they want it to be more convenient.” — Coffindaffer [53:56]
• “It’s bone chilling…but I would be on the phone to 911 immediately. But what if this same person had ever said to you, ‘If you reach out…I'm gonna kill your children’?” [57:39]
• “I think she was terrorized in her tracks.” — Coffindaffer [63:04]

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Important Timestamps

• 02:05 — Ashleigh’s acquisition of the arrest affidavit; first public look at new details.
• 06:20–11:00 — The timeline of the crime scene and discovery.
• 13:44 — Terror, threats, and Monique’s allegations reported by friends.
• 16:27 — Precedent for premeditation, evidence of dry run.
• 22:31 — Discussion of Dec 6 “dry run” and Monique leaving Big Ten game.
• 27:20 — Interview with Jennifer Coffindaffer begins (multiple gunshot wounds).
• 30:16–33:00 — Allegations of rape and strangulation, the psychology of not reporting.
• 37:25–42:45 — Analysis of killer’s psychology and survivor’s reality.
• 46:39–48:49 — On license plates, “rookie mistakes,” and lessons learned.
• 54:43–58:55 — Surveillance, “dry run,” and the problem of false alibis.
• 60:29–62:12 — Scraping registration stickers; suspect’s anxiety about being caught.
• 63:04 — Coffindaffer’s chilling conclusion: “terrorized in her tracks.”

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Structure of Case Evidence and Theory

• Physical Evidence:
  • Surveillance footage, vehicle and plate swaps, evidence of pre-murder reconnaissance.
• Forensic Analysis:
  • Wound assessment, number of shots, shell casing count, forensic order of deaths.
• Behavioral Patterns:
  • Prior abuse, stalking, death threats, obsessed ex-spouse profile, hubristic mistakes.
• Legal Proceedings:
  • Multiple aggravated murder charges, evidence of both prior calculation and burglary.

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Summary

This episode intricately unpacks the case against Dr. Michael McKee, accused of murdering his ex-wife and her husband in a chilling double homicide marked by a history of abuse, threats, and disturbing premeditation. Through Banfield’s pointed reading of court documents and a revealing interview with retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, listeners are taken deep into the psychology, the procedures, and the red flags that were tragically missed or unreported. At every turn, Banfield draws connections between the evidence and the wider context of domestic violence and escalating patterns, arguing passionately for awareness, early reporting, and societal change. The episode is as much a true crime investigation as it is an urgent commentary on the enduring dangers of unaddressed abuse.

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Hey everyone, I'm Ashley Banfield and this is drop dead serious. And oh, my head. I just got a couple of really bombshell documents from the Franklin County Municipal Court. First and foremost, I got the arrest complaint, you know, detailing all the information on arresting Dr. Michael McKee for the deaths of Spencer and Monique Tepe in Ohio. Okay. But I also have the affidavit in support of probable cause and that's got details. They are disturbing and it's all coming out in this, you know, four charges of aggravated murder against Dr. Michael McKee, Monique Tepe's ex husband. What I'm about to tell you is not rumor, it's not innuendo, it's not theory. This is what detectives are documenting in black and white as they piece together the investigation into the murders of Spencer and Monique in their own home with their children sleeping down the hall. I'm going to take you through everything that we know from this affidavit and you're going to want to buckle up because some of it I, I, I gotta be honest, fully expected, some of it I did not expect at all. First though, real quickly, big thank you so much for being a part of this community and being, you know, on my fe listening to this podcast. I can't do it without you. I also can't do it without my sponsors like Just Thrive. I want to talk about something important for a second. I'm going to get right back to this in a minute. But your health and your well being, if your gut is off, everything is off. Your digestion, your energy, your mood, even your focus, it all starts in your gut. And when that gut struggles, your whole body feels it. And that's why I trust Just Thrive Probiotic turns your gut into an antioxidant fat factory. So I can work more. I sleep better. Better digestion, healthy immunity, energy weight management. Thank you. Just Thrive Probiotic comes in capsules or berry flavored gummies. Thank you. That's what I like. You know, something for the whole family. So here's my challenge to you. Try just thrive probiotic 90 days risk free. Just go to justthrivehealth.com and I got you 20% off with my promo code. Banfield. See the difference for yourself or get a full product refund, no questions asked. Take the 90 day Just Thrive Probiotic Challenge today at justthrivehealth.com Banfield Be the best you with Just Thrive. Okay, back to the case. I'm just going to read verbatim because there's something that stands out right off the bat. Usually I don't pay a whole lot of attention to all the technical stuff. You know, here's the name of the victim, the address, the height, weight. But I do read them. It's usually just very, very quickly. But something was like a blinking red light on Monique Tepes. The complaint about the murder of Monique Tepe. The wording, and it's really actually just one word. It says here, complainant being duly sworn. That's the police Officer states that the above named defendant, that would be Michael David McKee at Franklin County, Columbus, Ohio. Honor about the 30th day of December 2025, did purposely, with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another to witness Monique Tepe by means of shooting the victim multiple times with a firearm. So that's Monique's and this one's Spencer's and his also says multiple times with a firearm. But up until now, police had told us that Monique Tepe had been shot once in the chest and that Spencer Tepe had been shot multiple times, didn't say where. Now what we're hearing, Monique Tepe shot multiple times. I'm wondering if it's a typo. I'm wondering if this is just, you know, cut and paste boilerplate stuff that's in every affidavit when it comes to a shooting. And I've got an answer for you. And it's coming in just a moment, right? From the person who knows best, Let me tell you, you work at the FBI as long as Jennifer Coffendoffer has, and you can read these things so quickly and spot these things. She's going to tell you why that is significant. It's not a typo. Also in the affidavit in support of probable cause, it's two pages. It's itty bitty tiny writing, but I got through it and. Oh man. So first of all, the officer's name is Russ Weiner, W E I N E r badge number 1842. And typically what happens in these affidavits is that they are the affiant making the affidavit and they swear these are the things I know to be true. And it's enough to arrest this guy and charge him, you know, with aggravated murder. So going past all that technical language, this is the summary statement of the facts in support of the probable cause and woof. I mean, it's. It's something else. So I'm gonna go start to Finish, okay? On December 30, 2025, at 9:57am, Columbus Police officers were dispatched to 1411 N. 4th St. On a check on the well being of Dr. Spencer Tepe, who had not shown up for work. This is stuff we know, right? Officers arrived and found Dr. Tepe and his wife Manique Tepe, deceased inside, suffering from gunshot wounds. Two minor children were found inside the home unharmed. Still hurts to hear that. Columbus fire medic number seven responded and pronounced both victims deceased at 10:11am so guys, that means 14 minutes they were on the scene, 14 minutes. And they, they pronounced them dead. It was clear. It was obvious they didn't need to rush them to the hospital for that. They pronounced them dead within minutes. Columbus police homicide unit team number two was advised, responded and initiated an investigation. Early on in the investigation, detectives were advised by identifiable friends and family of Monique Tepe. This is where it gets just jaw dropping that Monique had told them her ex husband, Dr. Michael McKee, had been abusive and had made numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. It doesn't say how many years, because don't forget, they're married in August. They are separated the following spring. I think it's seven or eight months. And then a year and two months later or so, the divorce goes through. And then this is like over 10 years after the marriage, right? Almost 11 years. I think after the marriage, this, this murder happened. So the fact that she's reporting to her friends, according to the cops, that, that this ex husband of hers has made numerous threats on her life during and after their marriage. I wonder how, how long and how regular these alleged, you know, threats were. An identifiable witness told detectives that Monique Tepe had shared an allegation against Dr. D. Michael D. McKee, of forced unwanted sex and strangulation. So again, identifiable witness told detectives that Monique Tepe had shared an allegation against Michael McKee of forced unwanted sex and strangulation. Basically, that means she told her friends that he raped her and tried to kill her by strangling her. These are things that these friends of, of Monique Tepe's told the. The investigators after she's murdered. Right. Another identifiable witness told detectives that Michael D. McKee had told Monique that he could, quote, kill her at any time and would find her and buy the house right next to her, that she will always be his wife. Now think about that. That's what Monique Tepe is living with. He could kill her at any time. He would find her and buy the house right next to her and that she will always be his wife. I've got questions. I mean, I know you do too, right? If that's happening, how are you not knocking down the door of the local police detachment saying, help me, I'm scared. This is bad. And you're going to get an answer for why. Why not in just a moment. Don't, don't go anywhere, okay? During the investigation, detectives were able to identify a suspect through neighborhood surveillance video. This suspect was tracked to a vehicle which arrived just prior to the homicides and left shortly after the homicides. We knew that here's something new video of this vehicle. And very distinct features allow detectives to identify both a stolen Ohio license as well as an Arizona license being displayed on it at different times. I know what you're thinking, and I'm thinking the exact same thing. We've covered a case just like this just in the last couple of months, and I'm going to talk about that in a moment. Two different license plates being swapped out on this vehicle. That's what police are saying. An Ohio plate that was stolen and an Arizona license. Wow. Just wow. They think they're so smart. If McKee is guilty of this crime. What an idiot. What an absolute idiot. Just like someone we know from Lompoc, California. I'm getting to that in a minute. Okay. Further searches showed this vehicle to be associated with a past address of Michael McKee as well as his current work address in Rockford, Illinois. Additional vehicle was obtained and showed McKe in possession of the vehicle prior to and after the homicide. So that's new information. We knew that the police said that he was in possession of this vehicle. They never call it his vehicle. They said he's in possession of it before and after the homicides. The new information is that they've got this vehicle registered to a past address of his and a current work address in Rockford, Illinois. Where he works. Yeah. Children's hospital. Well, a children's center at that hospital. Detectives also recovered video of the same suspect entering the curtilage. That's the surrounding area of a home. I had to look it up. You know, basically your property, Right? Your lawn, your front fence, your back yard, your garage, all. Anything that get off my property, it's the curtilage. So detectives also recovered video of the same suspect entering the curtilage of 1411 N. 4th St. On Dec. 6, 2025. Dec. 6. Did you catch that? Dec. 6, 24 days before the murders and exiting a few hours later when the Tepes were away. Okay, let's just break that down for a hot minute. So their video of this suspect going onto the property of the Tepes 24 days before the murders on December 6, knowing full well the Tepes are away at this point. Right. And spending a few hours there, A few hours on the property. Did he get inside? Was he inside the home? Was he working on the code? Was he working on a door frame? Was he working on ways to get in the house to make it look like there's no break and enter? What might have been happening? If he's guilty, what was he doing? In a few hours on this property while the tepes are away. Wait till you hear where the tepes were, because that's gonna blow your mind, because all this is coming home to roost in a second. Yeah, December 6th was a big day. And I remember December 6th intimately because it was the Big Ten championship game in Indianapolis, and my son was there. And I'm always afraid when my son is traveling because he's a kid, you know, he's like 18, and I'm just scared. And so I remember being nervous. December 6th is my son. Okay. Little did I know what was going on, you know, in Ohio. So let me continue. Okay. So he's on the property, allegedly, for a few hours. And I think we can all imagine this is the dry run, right? If he's guilty, this is the planning. This is the. How do I get in? There's a code. There's a security system. There's a window. There's a window. There's a window, There's a window. Let's try the code a few times, see what works. Let's try some dates and Social Security numbers and things I know for my ex wife, whatever it is. Or am I taking tools and loosening window frames so that they come off and then they can be just gently placed back so that no one knows they're actually off? I don't know if you have a security system. That stuff usually dings right away. Again, I'm hinting ahead here, so I want to just give you the definition of curtilage, because I literally like curtilage. Is that a typo? So I looked it up and I thought I'd just share it with you anyway. It's the area of land immediately surrounding a home that is considered part of the home for legal and privacy purposes, especially under the fourth amendment search and seizure. Right. It typically includes spaces like a yard, a porch, or enclosed garden that a resident uses in daily domestic life. And law enforcement usually needs a warrant to search it, unlike open fields. So, you know, get off my property. Fetch your curtilage. So from now on, you can say, get off my curtilage. So the dates, the December 6, this is also just mind blowing, and it is not good for Dr. McKee. Let me tell you that none of this is good for Dr. McKee. These dates are consistent with video recovered of the silver SUV and are consistent with dates which Michael D. McKee was not on the schedule at St. Anthony's Hospital. So he's got a few days off from work. I know what I do With a couple of days off from work. And it is not casing places for murder, that's for sure. But if the police are right, that's exactly what Dr. Michael McKee was doing. Yeah, if they're right, and if he's guilty, he is casing 24 days before a double murder. How to pull it off? You want evidence of premeditation to support aggravated murder? Hello. That's this. I cased it out. I did. What? And listen, I don't know what we're going to learn about what he actually did on the property, allegedly, that day. For hours. I mean, my God, a few hours. Okay, so on January 9th. Skip way ahead. We went from December 6th, 24 days before the murder. Murders. December 30th. January 9th. January 9th, 2026. Detectives seized the silver SUV bearing the Arizona temporary tag from the lot. Where? Where do you think? At St. Anthony's Hospital in Rockford, Illinois. Where what happens? That's where Michael McKee works. That's where they arrested him. Remember, he was at the restaurant. I think he might have just finished his shift or was going for lunch or something, but that's what they did. January 9th, they find that silver SUV temp tag from Arizona at St. Anthony's Hospital, Rockford, Illinois. Detectives noticed something about that vehicle, something that stands out. They noticed fresh scrape marks on the window where the sticker which had been on the vehicle prior to the homicides, had been hastily removed. I'm going to get to that. Jen Coffendoffer has lots of information about what that likely is and why someone's scraping a sticker off their window. I had my theories as well. You'll hear that in a second. During the time of the homicides, Michael McKee's phone had been left at St. Anthony's Hospital in Rockford, Illinois, and it showed no activity for approximately 17 hours from December 29, 2025, until after 12pm on December 30, 2025. There's so much I have to unpack here. Okay, first of all, December 30th is a significant date in true crime, and I think you all know why. December 30th is the day they arrested Bryan Coburger. And why is it so significant here? Well, just a few hours earlier, Monique and Spencer Tepe had been pronounced dead. Right. From these gunshot wounds. Home invasion. But not only that, the phone. The phone issue. Right. Michael McKee's phone is left at the St. Anthony's Hospital in Rockford, Illinois, and has no activity for 17 hours. Who didn't Leave his phone. And made that cardinal mistake. Brian Kohberger. He took his phone with him and he thought he would be so smart to turn it off while he was driving away and then turn it back on as he's driving back into his home. And then, you know, that white Elantra is seen at the home, at the home of the murders. So it's so fascinating to hear that Michael McKee thinks about his phone. Did he know about Coburger getting screwed by his stupidity of taking his phone with him? Is that why he allegedly left his phone behind at work? And you tell me, when was the last time you left your phone somewhere for 17 hours? What are the chances, right? Pretty frickin rare on its own. Sure. Reasonable doubt. Okay, I forgot it's a long drive to work. I'll get it tomorrow. But coupled with everything else. Wow. Wow. Just wow. How convenient. The phone is left at your hospital, the place where you work for 17 hours, where your vehicle is being tracked down to a place where, you know, the murders happened. Okay, so the other fascinating part of this is that it is believed he allegedly commits the murders and drives right back to the hospital and puts in a shift. I can't. I just can't. I am wondering who his patients were and his colleagues who are all thinking back to December 30, who spent, you know, the day, couple minutes, couple hours, small talk, chatting about schedules, talking about health, talking about your condition. Mr. Smith, you know, he is a cardiovascular. He is a. He is a vascular surgeon. These people must be going over and over in their minds. Oh, my God. I was with Dr. McKee literally hours after he allegedly blew two people away, murdered them. And then he's caring for me or he's working with me at the hospital. Can you just imagine going over that in your head? December 30th, that is a very big day. The day Bryan Kohberger was arrested for that home invasion murder, Quadruple murder. And the day that allegedly, Michael McKee decided to murder two people, home invasion, slaughter them in their beds, and then drive back to work. So I'll go on with the affidavit. More recently, Monique and Spencer Tepe were at the Big Ten championship game in Indiana. Guess what date? Yeah, you got it. December 6th.

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Remember what else happened on December 6th? Police saw some some figure now identified as Dr. Michael McKee in the cartilage of the McKee's home when the McKee's weren't there. The McKees were at the Big Ten Championship game on December 6th when allegedly Monique's ex husband is skulking around her home for several hours in the curtilage. Several hours. It is not that big a property. Guys, what do you think he's doing for several hours while they're at the Big Ten championship game? Apparently they're there with several other couples. Okay, this is significant. They're there with several other couples. Monique went back to her hotel room early in the second half. When identifiable friends asked Spencer why Monique had left the game, he told them she was upset about something involving her ex husband and was going back to the hotel. It's December 6th. They're at the Big Ten championship game having a great time. My son was there having a blast. Indiana won it. It was amazing. And what do you think the chances are with the security system that the Tepes have at their home that the cameras were triggered and they got an alert on their phones and they're in the stadium in Indianapolis watching the Big Ten championship and Monique's looking at her ex husband skulking around her house. What do you think the chances are? I think they're really good. I think that that's enough to send you into such a state that you are going to leave this enormously important game. They traveled for this game. They spent money. These tickets were expensive. The Big Ten. I really wonder if Monique saw Dr. Michael McKee at her home. I also wonder if the kids were there with a babysitter because it doesn't say anything that the kids were at the Big Ten championship game. I don't think that's the kind of place you really want to take a 17 month old and a 4 year old. I think that's grown up time. God, I can only hope that the kids were with grandparents or friends or something off site. But can you imagine if the kids were home and he's peeking in the window and watching their lives? Right? Can you imagine this? I don't know that this happened. Monique had to leave. She had to leave the game. She was so upset. She had to leave this massive game, expensive tickets, really hard to get. Big Ten championship game with all these friends. Had to go back to the hotel. I think she saw him. I think she saw him on her phone. I think the security system at their house caught, maybe caught him on the ring cam trying to poke in a bunch of codes to get in the front door. Maybe that even that just makes your blood run cold. But I'm going to ask Jen Coffendoffer at that point, why wouldn't you call police and say, oh my God, I've been raped before, I've been threatened with my life. I've been told he will follow me to the ends of the earth, that I'm still his wife, he will buy the house next to me. Now he's on camera at my home. And there's a very good reason why somebody might not call the police in that circumstance. It might not be what I do, it might not be what you do, but there's a very good reason and you're going to hear it. And I think it's going to break your heart the way it breaks mine. So I first of all thought I need somebody who, you know, profiles criminals for a living, somebody who lives this life, somebody who will make a lot more sense of this and get theories and ideas that maybe go beyond what I just jumped to, as, you know, potential conclusions. And Jennifer Coffendoffer is that person. As a retired FBI agent, she has been to this rodeo way too many times and knows the blueprints. She knows the playbooks and she knows when the investigative pieces start coming together, what the eventual picture is more than likely to look like. So here's my conversation with Jen. Jennifer, I have to start with the complaint itself. Normally I go flying through that because we've seen most of it before. But something stood out and that is that the complaint with regard to Monique Tepe says, quote, by means of shooting the victim multiple times with a Firearm. We were under the impression Monique Tepe was shot once. Spencer was shot multiple times. But these complaints both say victims multiple times. Tell me if it means something.

[D]

Yes, it means something. The reason that all of us believed that it was two shots at Mr. Spencer and then one for Monique is simply because there were three casings that they discussed. And so by math calculation, but that isn't the case. This complaint makes it clear that Monique and Dr. Tepe, I should address him correctly, Dr. Tepe was shot multiple times. So it means something.

[C]

So originally, I think they said, you know, Monique Tepe was shot once in the chest. Spencer Tepe was shot multiple times. They didn't say where. And it makes me wonder if just the initial assessment, even by the responding officers, is that they saw a chest wound. Maybe she was shot multiple times in the same area. Is that possible?

[D]

A lot of things could be possible because those initial officers aren't going to look deeply at the wounds. In addition, it also made me Wonder, did Michael McKee, did he pick up any of the casings? It made me wonder that, because they said three casings were found, so we'll see. Maybe they just weren't readily visible. But it's very intriguing, but it's very obvious they were shot multiple times.

[C]

Well, if he's guilty of this crime, it is entirely possible the casings ended up in the bedding. And maybe it just took some time for the forensics, you know, technicians to actually sweep and comb that crime scene with a fine tooth comb. Maybe we'll get something updated in that respect. So that stood out in a big way. And I don't know that it makes any difference in terms of the aggravated murder, because there's these two ways to get to aggravated murder. One is through a burglary that they've lined up. Right. And then the other way is through premeditation. And so, you know, the fact that Monique has multiple gunshot wounds, could that second one be premeditated even? I know we can have premeditation in a. In a flash. You can have a second of premeditation.

[D]

That's right. Yeah. No, absolutely. You can have it quickly. And look, they're just hedging their bets, right? In other words, throw both counts at them with different circumstances and see what a jury would come back with. We already know we have an indictment, so a grand jury certainly believed all those counts were accurate.

[C]

So let's go through a little bit of the documents here, because the affidavit in support of the probable cause for the arrest of Dr. Michael McKee suddenly is ripe with new information that we had suspected might be the case. Now it sounds like the police say it is, in fact the case. And let's start with this first. Friends of Minique Tepe's told the police that Monique had confided with them that Michael McKee had forced unwanted sex on her and that there was some kind of an incidence of strangulation.

[D]

I think that was the number one thing when I read this that just jumped off the page. You know, you're seeing now, why in the world did this marriage only last seven months? It only lasted seven months, it would seem, because she was being brutalized and attacked at home and wanted out of it at all costs. So it's really sad whenever you see domestic violence. Right. It starts and escalates. And we saw a true escalation if it ends up being him with the murder of Monique Tepe.

[C]

Well, and let's just talk about, you know, forced, unwanted sex. It doesn't matter if you're married. It doesn't matter if you're in a prostitutional transaction. Forced unwanted sex is rape, plain and simple. And we have never heard of any kind of rape complaint made against Dr. Michael McKee prior to this exact allegation in this affidavit.

[D]

Right. It seemed all of his aggression, Ashley, was at Monique. I mean, there's been no information, at least, that we have from any coworkers, from any dates, from anything else. Right. That he had any sort of unwanted sexual advances except for Monique. And I think that's really critical to establish as this case moves forward. And certainly when it comes to trial.

[C]

It breaks my heart when I hear about these kinds of allegations. And again, he's innocent until proven guilty, and he was not charged with a spousal rape. But it breaks my heart that so many women don't report these things. They don't go to the authorities. There are a million reasons why not. And I would never besmirch anybody who chooses not to, because you gotta walk in those shoes, and those shoes are complex. But it's just heartbreaking to think had she. Had she gone ahead and, you know, filed a complaint with the police and supported them charging him. This could be an entirely different. Or maybe there would have been an earlier murder. I don't know which.

[D]

Yeah, no, you make a great point. We see it all the time in domestic violence situations that it just happens over and over again, but the spouses don't want to come forward. As you said, there's so many reason, their privacy, the Embarrassment, just not knowing what to do with the situation once you do come forward, does that mean you're even more at risk of being hurt or harmed by that individual? There's so much. And I think she thought, look, Ashley, she did do everything right. Right. She moved away. She got away from the situation. She completely got him out of her life. She lived over 300 miles away. Just wasn't enough.

[C]

It's shocking to think that if he's guilty of these murders, he was one of the most dangerous people anyone could ever be embroiled and snarled with. Right. And yet we don't have a lot of, you know, we don't have a lot of documentation of that. We don't have any restraining orders that, you know, popped up right away saying, she was so scared of this ex husband, he was harassing her. And I'm gonna get to something in a moment that would have absolutely made my blood run cold if I was Monique Tepe. But there's nothing to suggest that she went to the police to say, listen, I've got a new life. I've got a husband. I've got two small children, and I cannot shake this guy. You got to do something. There's nothing like that.

[D]

Right? And I think the lesson that can be learned in this, this case, that hopefully other women that are watching this and are suffering from this, and believe me, men, as we know. Right, the suitcase murder. Right. There's men who are also violently assaulted.

[C]

Stalked and harassed and gunned down. Absolutely.

[D]

Yeah. But Broderick, right?

[C]

Betty Broderick. Look at that.

[D]

Oh, Betty Broderick is completely my analogy for this case. It's so much the same.

[C]

It's the same, but flipped if he's guilty.

[D]

Yeah, same, but flipped if it's him. And I think that's all we can do or, you know, women can do is learn from this and to go on record. But, you know, Ashley, I think it's so hard because they're so afraid that that's gonna ignite immediate action against them, and it's out of fear, for the most part, why they don't go forward.

[C]

And by the way, totally founded, because so many of these men and women, if you do suddenly, you know, bend their life into a pretzel by going to the police and then putting that hassle on them, they will take that out on the target of their psychosis. They will take it out on the love of their life, on the person they believe should always be their wife, which is another moment I'm gonna get to in the affidavit. But that fear that the abused or harassed spouse has, it's real because it happens. They do blow up. If you go to the police.

[D]

Yeah. It's so true. And Ashley, I am so glad that he did not harm her children. I mean, this is a true family annihilator, Right? And the fact he didn't harm the children, I think, you know, thank God he stopped with Dr. Tepe and with Monique. I mean, I hope that comes out right. I'm just trying to say that he could have gone and done even worse. And maybe the fact she didn't push his buttons and didn't push him away and didn't file reports, maybe save those.

[C]

Kids if he's guilty, without question. And I actually come to the moment of realization, too. You have as a surgeon, as a vascular surgeon, whose, you know, sole purpose is to do no harm in life, right? You take that oath and you blow away two people in front of you in a bloody, chaotic horror scene. Maybe things get real very quickly. And maybe the intention was, again, if he's guilty, maybe the intention was to wipe out that whole family. And suddenly it just all came crashing down and he needed to exit, Right?

[D]

A cathartic moment. He finally exacted this revenge and then said, wow, I've got to get out of here. I don't want to get caught. I need to leave immediately. And like you said, even the moment of seeing two individuals, we're going to see how badly they were shot and exactly where they were shot. But I'm envisioning a very bloody scene.

[C]

I'm going to get to another detail that these friends told police in a second about things that Michael McKee had allegedly told Monique about the danger she was always going to be in and where he would eventually settle and buy a house. I'm going to get to that in a minute. But before I do, I need to ask you about the kind of criminal mind again. If he's guilty of this crime, do you suspect that someone who could allegedly be this twisted, this sick and this obsessed, would he be satisfied with just going in, making it a clean shot, and leaving? Or would he want more satisfaction? Would he want torture? Would he want psychological abuse? Would he want to draw it out and enjoy it? I'm trying to get into that person's head.

[D]

Yeah. You know, a couple of things that strike me. First of all, we don't know who was shot. Shot first. I would believe he would have shot Dr. Tepe first so that he would not have to worry about him. And I think he would shoot the amount of times to make sure in his mind that he was absolutely deceased and that he wouldn't have to worry about any threats from him. And then that makes me wonder, what did he do with Monique? In other words, was this just one shot or one shot to the head, one shot to the chest? What did he have in mind? Did he speak to her? Did he talk to her? Did he say anything maniacal before shooting mini shots into her? Or did he just go in there and say, I'm just gonna shoot right now? I would not doubt somebody like that, that, as you said, he tortured her in a certain way, even if it was just emotionally and verbally before killing her.

[C]

I mean, imagine the torture of just having to watch your husband being shot dead in front of you, even if the killer drew out the moment by several minutes in between killings. I mean, that is just the worst cruel mental torture you could go through is facing the gunman who, you know, inevitably is going to kill you, but knowing what he's just done to the man that you love and the father of your children, and then knowing that those children are down the hall, what's going to happen next, whether he's going to kill them or whether. Whether he's going to leave them orphaned. And I don't know, in that moment of terror, what would seem worse?

[D]

Yeah, I. I can just picture her begging, you know, not for her life, probably, but for her children's life. I could see that happening. We don't know, but. And, you know, it's very difficult ever to show the order at which gunfire happens. Sometimes you can, because you can tell that.

[C]

Sure.

[D]

You know, sometimes. But it's going to be hard for them to tell the order. It just.

[C]

Well, I'll tell you what, you can tell if his blood is underneath her. You know, he went down first. Like, there are certain forensics that are just, you know, inalienable, you know, you know exactly who died first if they're lying on top of the. Of the spatter.

[D]

Yeah, absolutely. But I was thinking, too, did he make sure? In other words, I could see him shooting, stopping the threat, engaging in some conversation with her, and then going back and just making sure they were both deceased. Definitely. I can't wait, in a sense, to see how many gunshots there were, because that will tell us so much.

[C]

It will. I think you're right. And three doesn't sound like the kind of person who's this obsessed. Someone who, if these stories are true, and I'm gonna get to the next one in a moment. If these stories are true, from the friends of Monique, this is someone who is hell bent and rage filled. And I don't know that someone like that would be satisfied with a couple clean shots and walking out of there without somehow being fulfilled in a different way. Let me get to the other issues that these friends went through with Monique. So Monique told other friends, according to this affidavit, that Michael had told her he could kill her at any time. He was just a lingering threat in her everyday reality. He could kill her at any time, and that he would find her and buy the house right next to her, and that she will always be his wife. What is a woman to do with that? Is she to try to put it out of her mind as bluster? How often is it bluster? How often is it gonna end in lethality? Like, how are you supposed to process these kinds of pieces of information as a former wife and then as the friends?

[D]

Well, really, when you look at Monique, what she was living with every day, there is no way to not think about that almost every day. Because you're wondering, is this going to be my day? Is he really going to do this? Is he really capable? And I think what happens is these women, I mean, remember at one point, they loved each other. They loved each other enough to get married. You know, they were close to each other. And then it all went south. But you gotta wonder, did she think about that every day and truly not believe, Ashley, that he could do that? In other words, really think he wasn't really capable? And I think that's what happens is people talk themselves out of it.

[C]

I don't doubt that for a minute, Jen, honestly, because if you look at the man he is to everybody else, he's a. He's a vascular surgeon working at a children's center. He's got neighbors who thought he was terrific. He's got no criminal record. But she did know the dirty secret. If what she says to her friends is true, that he had raped her and that he had strangled her. So she knows that he has a propensity towards this kind of sadistic violence. I just wonder again, she has two kids, and maybe her fear was not to escalate anything, because these two kids. I have to keep the status quo and just do what I can to keep our environ safe.

[D]

Right? And I believe Ashley, we've just seen a snippet of different comments she likely made. Did he ever threaten the kids? Did he threaten. Did she. He threatened her husband. What all what other threats are there? I think this is going to be the tip of the ice of what we're here.

[C]

Well, no wonder they had a security system. But, you know, many of the people who are watching right now have put in the comments over and over and over again. But how did he get in? Because this family, especially now that we know Monique, if again, if he's guilty of the things that she said to her friends, we know how damaging and dangerous he is. So you would think they took all the precautions, had the most specific security code, set that alarm every night. How would a guy like that get in?

[E]

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[D]

I still think, I mean, there's three possibilities in my mind. The number one possibility for me is that he simply looked online, which I did, too. I was going to actually do this experiment because I have the same kind of locks and show how easy it is to overcome that system. I mean, he's a surgeon, for heaven's sakes. He can figure this out. A couple screws here, a couple screws there. It can be overcome. That in my mind is what I believe likely happened. I mean, the only other possibility is that he could have known codes she used in the past and then guessed at those until he came out. Right. But I don't think think that that's something he would have risked. Right. We know he was in the curtilage Previously.

[C]

So I'm getting to that. Right, Because I think that, again, if the allegations in this affidavit are true, there was a dry run and maybe a practice run. And I'm gonna get to that in a minute because it, to me, chilled me to the bone what Monique may have seen on her cameras when she was at the Big Ten championship game in Indianapolis. By the way, my son was there at the. The same game, too. So they were together at the same game. Before I get to that, let me just keep going on this first page of the affidavit. Again, this is the affidavit in support of the probable cause to arrest Dr. Michael McKee. So moving on from this issue of that. I will find you by the house beside you, and you will always be my wife. My God, it's like a movie. The police said, Jen, that they've got video of Dr. McKee's silver SUV. They're now calling it a silver SUV. They've got video of very distinctive features, very interesting. And a stolen Ohio license, as well as an Arizona license being displayed on it at different times.

[D]

Pulled an Ashley Buzzard.

[C]

What? I mean, it's exactly what I thought.

[D]

Is that exactly what you thought? That came to mind to me, too. You know, you take people who have never committed crimes like this and they come up with these ideas. It didn't work and it sticks out and it's a stolen plate. Where did he get that plate? You know, I went online. You can so easily buy plates. You just go onto ebay or Amazon and you can buy authentic license plates. It's insane. So they're not easy to come by. I did find the fact that he had a stolen plate, though, very interesting, because you want that, and then you combine that with the hit on the firearm that, in other words, that firearm had been involved in criminal activity. It makes me wonder, did he get the firearm and the plate from somebody that you know, like an old buddy from high school that had been in some trouble and he just did a.

[C]

Package deal or got them from pawn shops or stole them from, you know, record yards or whatever? But again, this is a guy who you think is very smart. And don't you see in your many decades of work? This is what happens. People think they're smarter than they are and they get tripped up by what? The devil who lives in the details.

[D]

No, you couldn't have said it better. They always get tripped up. They always make mistakes. Especially if this is a first time criminal and that's what he appears to Be.

[C]

Well, I mean, if the allegations that Monique made are true, he is not a first time criminal. He's just being caught for the first time. I mean, he's a rapist and he's an attempted murderer. If what she told her friend about him doing the unwanted sex and strangulation is true, I mean, it just curdles my, you know, blood. But yeah, a stolen plate. This is another thing that maybe, you know, Mr. Fancy University Educated, you know, vascular surgeon doesn't realize that there are plate readers everywhere and stolen plates would register in those plate readers. I mean, there may have actually been hits. Right. That came in while he was allegedly driving that route.

[D]

Yeah, no, exactly. And you've made a lot of comparisons to Bryan Kohberger and I think this is one also. You take extremely educated individuals, very smart academically, and they make these just rookie mistakes that, you know, even if you were just watched a few episodes of Law and Crime, you would think, hmm, you know, maybe I shouldn't do that.

[C]

Well, I wonder if again, if he's guilty. And I know my, my viewers say in my comments a lot, oh, you go to. You overkill the if he's guilty part. But I'm going to be honest with you folks, that's the way this goes. It's defamation if you convict somebody, you know, through publishing. And this is publishing. What Jen and I are doing is publishing. So I am mindful of not convicting someone before a jury does in most of the statements, if not all the statements that I make. I may screw up on occasion, but that's why I am repetitive when I say that. So I'm sorry if it's annoying, but I was going to say, I wonder if again, if McKee's guilty of this, if he learned from the Coburger case. Oh, don't take your phone. Because we're learning in this affidavit that the phone, his phone police say was left behind at the hospital for the duration of this trip. All the way to Ohio and back.

[D]

Absolutely. I think. Certainly. And we're going to see because they're likely. Look at his Google account. What did he Google? What was he watching? What did he do to learn what his M.O. was going to be? Wouldn't that be interesting, Ashley, if he ended up Googling Bryan Kohberger and Buzzard?

[C]

I mean, the license plates. Where do you get that idea? God forbid he was watching our show, you know.

[D]

Well, it happened with Brian Kohberger.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, he did a lot of his, his research and figured out why look at. He did it. He did research every single day on how to commit crimes and how people have done it in the past. That was another thing, Jen, that a lot of my comments said from our followers, our listeners, our watchers, they said, don't always make the references, the comparisons to Idaho. I can't help it, because these are building blocks in the business of true crime. Every single crime. It informs how we move forward as a society and either catch or prevent the next one from happening.

[D]

Yeah. And it, it gives a road, a road map, if you will, on how these criminals are going about committing crimes. In other words, let's look for that. You know, are there. Was there on the road stolen tags? Was there a vehicle that passed through that toll booth? Remember, there were all those tolls with one tag, and then all of a sudden it was a different tag. Those are things you're going to look at. So this MO will be studied by behavioral science units throughout, because this is how you get MOs of individuals who commit crimes that have this general situation. Right. A domestic violence situation, somebody who is estranged or divorced from their spouse and who is obsessed with them. And that's what we're seeing right here.

[C]

Well, let's talk about that obsession. So before I move on to page two, there's one little nugget I want to get to. The vehicle was associated with a past address of Dr. Michael McKee, as well as his current work address in Rockford, Illinois. That's the hospital where he worked and where he was arrested. Basically, he was arrested outside at a restaurant, a fast food restaurant. But what do you make of that? That this vehicle's associated with a past address and also associated with his current work address. I'm trying to make sense of that. I guess they might be going fast and loose with the term associated.

[D]

I'm thinking a registration.

[C]

You know, register to two places, though.

[D]

Well, you could. I mean, you could have one registration and then you know how your registration expires every year.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So. And then you have to provide the new information.

[C]

Good point.

[D]

What if he had the information initially as one address and then changed it to his work address? That's kind of what went through my head.

[C]

It's a good point. I'm surprised he didn't use a stolen car of somebody who was on vacation, you know, for weeks, that wouldn't report it stolen. It would be safe while driving it. There'd be no alerts anywhere, but it certainly wouldn't be tracked to you. But if this is true, what an idiot. Using Your own vehicle. I mean, scrape away and change the plates and all the rest, but. But clearly, you know, cops are too good for this.

[D]

Yeah. You know, Ashley, you said something regarding what vehicles you can use, you really can't use, in my opinion. A stolen vehicle, you can't borrow a vehicle, you can't rent a vehicle. But you know what you can do? You can Uber. You can make up a fake account, an Uber, or used a Lyft or something, and get dropped off maybe even a mile away, and then walked, and then walked away. And there's so many other ways, but people are lazy by nature, and they want it to be more convenient.

[C]

Well, they also think they're smarter than they are. Okay, this next page. Interesting stuff. This is what we all wondered. Had he done reconnaissance, had he done a dry run? And the affidavit here, in support of the probable cause continuation says the detectives recovered video of this same suspect entering. Now, I had to look this word up. The curtilage. Okay. It's just the homestead, right? It's just the land, you know, surrounding your immediate home. It's your yard, it's your garden, it's your garage. It's everything around your home that basically would have you trespassing if you were on it. So the suspect is entering the curtilage of 1411 N. Fourth St. That's the Tepes home. Dec. 6. Dec. 6, 24 days before the murders.

[D]

You know what? Do you remember when you and I talked about the Google searches, the Google Trends? It was December 5th. That flatline. You've got to see it. Flatline, flatline, fifth, skyrocket, flatline, down. Remember when we discussed that?

[C]

Yeah. You found it.

[D]

And so I was wondering who was doing that. Because the house wasn't for sale. There's no reason for it to trend like that. And so now we're seeing it. We're seeing all these nexuses.

[C]

The next day, there's a dry run, there's a trip, and I'll just go through it again, point by point. The vehicle is seeing entering this area and exiting a few hours later. So if this reconnaissance trip is Dr. McKee, he's on that property for a few hours. And this is at a time when the Tepes were away. So somehow he knew they were going to be away, Allegedly. And he spent a few hours at this home. So I suppose there's a lot you can do in a few hours to prepare a window or a door or an alarm system, maybe for an unlawful entry later on.

[D]

Yeah. And just imagine, I Imagine. We'll see if they come up with it. Photos. Photos, you know, so he could remember exactly where everything is, maybe. Did he try that lock at any time? He was there for two hours. Was he trying to see what neighbors are awake, what lights are on when they go to sleep? Sleep. Just all the things you want to do. When you do what we call a site survey, before you're getting ready to hit a house, you want to understand what's happening in that neighborhood. Was he smart enough to do that? Sounds like he might have been.

[C]

So the reason the Tepes are away on December 6th is because they're at the Big Ten championship game. My kid was at that game, and it was in Indianapolis. As it turns out, this affidavit says that Monique Tepe was there with Spencer and some other couples and got information or a text or something in the middle of the game that made her so upset she had to leave and go back to her hotel room. And she apparently said to her friends and husband that it was something involving her ex husband. Again, I'm wondering, did she see on their cameras, oh, my God, my ex husband is in our yard. He's trying the code at our house. I mean, is that what upset her to the point, you know, where she left the game? And again, why wouldn't that lead to a call to the police?

[D]

It makes logical sense. And just imagine you're getting text messages, you're being called, you're being told all these different things. And now you see action, Ashley. Now you see somebody who knows exactly where you live and they're around there. I mean, that is just bone chilling.

[C]

It's bone chilling, but it's also. I mean, look, I can only speak for myself, but I would be on the phone to 911 immediately saying, Go to the home. Now he's trying to break in and arrest him. He's my ex husband. He makes threats against me, and now he's acting on them. He's at the home. He's actually on camera at the home. Here's a clip.

[D]

And. But what if this same person ever said to you, if you reach out to the police about any of this, I'm gonna kill your children. They're not going to make it home from daycare.

[C]

I mean, I can't even. I mean, talk about a rock and hard place. You're terrified that's going to happen, and you're terrified that will happen if you do anything about it. There's literally nothing you can do that can save yourself if that's the circumstance. So the dates that the police say he is seen, or at least his vehicle is seen, and there is this activity in the curtilage around the home of the Tepes in. In Ohio, they recover this silver SUV. It's consistent with Michael McKee not being at work. He's not on the schedule at St. Anthony's Hospital for that entire time that this alleged dry run, December 6th, is happening.

[D]

Well, and do you remember, Ashley, that it's been reported that he gave an alibi?

[C]

That's right.

[D]

And so I thought that was very interesting, because what was his alibi for any of this? And they had the goods on him. And I think that would have alerted them very early that this was likely their guy.

[C]

The alibi that was untruthful. So I wonder if there were two alibis. Where were you, by the way, you know, Dr. McKee, on December 6th, and where were you on December 30th? You know, two critical days. And what would he be thinking at the time? He's answering those questions? Oh, Jesus, how am I going to get out of this one? Oh, I'm smart enough. These are just dumb cops. They didn't go to 15 years of university like I did. I'll get out of this. I mean, this is usually the mindset of somebody who thinks that they're arrogant enough and superior enough to just snuff out people's lives.

[D]

Yep, you said it perfectly, Ashley. That's exactly what goes through their mind. And we know that because we interview them, and that's what they say, or at least what they intimate when they. When you talk to them. It's unbelievable.

[C]

The hubris, right? Just the incredible hubris. Okay, so they seized the silver SUV on January 9, and it had a temp tag from Arizona. It was on the lot at St. Anthony's Hospital where Michael McKee was working. And they said they found fresh scrape marks on the window where the sticker had been on the vehicle prior to the homicides and was hastily removed.

[D]

And the sticker, I'm thinking, I don't know how this struck you, but I thought that was the registration sticker.

[C]

That's what I thought.

[D]

Removed so that it doesn't track back to him. That's what I was thinking. And, you know, he's trying to cover his tracks. He's way too late, and he didn't do it.

[C]

Well, it's either that or it's some, you know, sports fan sticker that's really obvious. And maybe he's thinking, oh, I gotta get rid of that in case this vehicle was seen on video anywhere, this giant, you know, cheesehead sticker, whatever might be the case, an identifiable sticker. But I'm with you. I think it's more the registration. But what difference would that make at that point?

[D]

You know, I think whenever a criminal does this, a first timer. And again, not first time committing a criminal act, but first time in the throes of being investigated likely or that he's concerned about. When you look at that, he's just thinking now, oh, no, what do I need to do? What do I need to do to cover this up? Because now he's really broadening that concern. And you know, the COVID up, by the way, back to this Google trends. Because the one thing I didn't talk to you about just because we didn't get to it on that show was Michael McKee right after he was Googled. Enormously long now, obviously. Oh, we did talk about that. I think we talked about that. Yeah, some true crimers might have, but he wasn't really on the radar. Maybe some other people looked. I still think it was him. I think he was constantly looking to see what was going on. Is my name being mentioned anywhere? Police anywhere in the news? And so guess who else did that? Bryan Kohberger. Yup.

[C]

You found that. You found that. Bryan Coburger was looking for his own name to see, you know, are they onto me or is anybody even thinking of me? It stands to reason that you'd have again, that kind of hubris and arrogance to think it's all about me. It's all about me, Jen. Oh, I can't. Thank you so much for walking through these affidavits with me. It's just every time I get an ounce of information, I'm so obsessed with how a pattern like this could carry out, you know, and be carried out without so many red flags with so many people around them helping to stop it. And I can't wait to learn more, to find out more about why Monique didn't call the police sooner, get a restraining order, you know, alert other people to this kind of escalating behavior. Or was she just terrorized in her tracks?

[D]

Yeah, I'm going with terrorized in her tracks, Ashley. I think she was terrorized.

[C]

Jen Coffendoffer, thank you so much for this.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

So there you have it, guys. I think you've got your theories. I certainly have mine. And you heard Jennifer's as well. And I think you should just, you know, buckle up and be prepared for documents like this to Drop. And we are going to learn piece by piece, much like we did in the Idaho killings. Right. It took a long time. The gag order really, really dragged it out and made it hard learn what went on at 1122 King Road. But if you're talking about 1411 N. Fourth St. And what went on there, I think we're going to start learning a lot more. I mean, this was a very. Look at. It's really short. There's a very, very short affidavit in support of probable cause. Right. So it's two pages. But like really short and tiny little clues sometimes are in just the most dry, you know, mundane arrest reports. Right. This is just a, this is just a complaint. But here we learn that Monique is shot multiple times with a firearm. Jen doesn't think that's a mistake. She thinks that that was something that they didn't see right away.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And that maybe the killer did pick up some of the shell casings. Maybe there were so many shots, who knows? But I think we're going to learn these things. I always ask you to subscribe because when we do find them, like, I was not expecting to drop this last minute podcast and I just want to make sure you're alerted and you get it just as soon as it comes out because I don't want you to be like, you know, in your next conversation and be the last guy who knows about it. I want you to be first to know. Thank you so much for bearing with me as I plow through all these docs and come up with my own, you know, ideas. Thank you so much for being a member and for subscribing. I can't tell you what that means to me. It really does do me a solid. If you haven't subscribed, subscribed yet, please do so. It does really help and I would love it if you'd become a member, too. I'm doing so many more of these membership conversations because it's really interesting what you guys think about these cases. You ask me questions that I hadn't thought of. You bring up ideas. You even given me stories to cover and I've done that. I love the fact that we can have this open conversation between us. And so if you become a member, I can, I can have you as a part of that. I really enjoy it. And I've got some swag and merchant stuff on the, on the site as well. So you can be the, the true crime queen. And I think Valentine's Day is coming as well, so you might want to get something for the person you love. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for watching. And remember, the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead serious.