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Courtney asked him for her phone, which she reported he told her was out in the shed and he went out to get it. She said when he came back in the house, he said, quote yeah, she didn't go home. Instead telling Courtney that he took her to a house. But when she asked him to take her there. He just told her that Rebecca said to him that she didn't want anything to do with her, meaning Courtney. Courtney reported calling Rich to tell him to call her back asap, and that while Brad was watching her, she told Rich that, quote, dude, your old lady left with some guy, or Bradley would backhand her. Courtney confirmed for Detective Lieutenant Pisker that the story about the black car was made up. It never happened, really. What a shock. Asking her to continue, she reported Kimberly sending her coordinates to Rebecca's phone and asking Bradley why her daughter's phone would be across the road. And his response was, I don't fucking know. She asked Bradley to take her to the phone and said he took her right to it. She said that phone was, quote, exactly where the coordinates is, end quote. She said it was out in the open and it appeared that someone had just set it down. They took the phone directly to Riches, but before their arrival, she said that Bradley told her, quote, I'm telling you right now, do not say a word, end quote. Kimberly got the phone from Rich, and Courtney reported that Kimberly had called her and said she was taking the phone to the cops. She said Kimberly called her at 2100 on Tuesday night to tell her this, quote, when asked to continue, Courtney identified that in her second to last drawer in her bed stand, she has razor knives that she uses to nick open her cellulite so they will drain. She reported that one was gone, which she said she knew because she counted them due to a teenage boy living in her house. Wow, what a great parent. She keeps track of her celluloid slashing knives. Courtney agreed the knives are like scalpels. When she confronted Bradley about the missing knife, she answered, he didn't say anything. Then Detective Lieutenant Pisker confronted her that her use of the word them means he must have said something later, and she reported it was after her body was found. Courtney said she kept asking Bradley where her daughter was, saying he answered, you'll find out soon enough. She goes on in the report that after returning from his last interview, he told her about, quote, kimmy was asking about the woods behind the house to go trail riding. Courtney said that Kimberly will not talk to Bradley ever alone. I'm going to skip ahead again here a little bit. There's a bunch of back and forth about a wallet and a bag and all the rest. But it says here, she said when Bradley came back, she asked him if he had hurt her daughter, and he told her, quote, no, I didn't hurt her. Courtney said that was the same day Rebecca's body was found, Courtney said that on Wednesday, November 26, in the morning, she confronted Bradley and asked him what he did. She reported he told her, quote, I'm going to tell you once and I'm going to tell you, and you're going to fucking drop it and you're gonna shut the up. He's like, I'm the reason your daughter's not here, that your life is upside down right now, end quote. When she asked him why, she said Bradley said, quote, rich with the wrong end quote. She agrees this is all a revenge plot. Courtney said that when she asked him what he did to her daughter, Bradley said, quote, I slit her throat. Bitch deserved it, end quote. She goes on to say that he said Rich deserved it, too, and it just happened to be your daughter that's going to pay for it. Again, this is the whole lie. It's a revenge plot, right? I'm mad at Rich, so I'm going to kill Rich's fiance. Courtney said when she asked about her grandson, she said Bradley said, quote, oh, I stuck him in a cooler, stuck him in a trash bag, threw him in the trash. End quote. Detective Lieutenant Pisker asked Courtney that if Bradley is paying Rich back, why cut the baby out? And she said, and this is where I'm going to tell you this makes no sense. It's either really badly written or Courtney is so unbelievably stupid, she can't even link sentences. But I'm going to read directly from the affidavit. So again, if Bradley's paying Rich back, why cut the baby out? And she said, quote, because if he would have left the baby in there and had somebody found her before, he would have survived. He would have thought, end quote. Again, I. She can't even link sentences. Courtney was asked, why not just cut the baby out and kill it? Why take it? And she said that he told her the baby wasn't breathing when he pulled him out. Again, she was asked, why take it? Now she answers, it was because he didn't want Rich to see they were together. She admitted she didn't know what that meant. Well, I'm with you. I don't know what you mean. Either it's either really bad police language or an incredibly stupid Courtney, or I'm guessing a big combination of both because this is just gibberish. When asked about where the baby is now, Courtney said that he put him in the blue cooler, in a trash bag, and into a GFL container. She confirmed that she's talking about A residential GFL trash receptacle. Courtney said she was never at the location where the body was found because he wouldn't let her. She doesn't know how many times he went to the location. When asked if she was killed at the location she was found or at the end of her driveway, she answers she doesn't know, but said it wasn't in her driveway because he pulled away quickly with her. Courtney said that he walked out of his truck and not the house to get her out of the truck, confirming that it was from the escape and into the Ford F150. When Detective Lieutenant Pisker reminded Courtney that she knew where the knife was at, she said he threw it in a dumpster at Cadillac Shores. When asked when he had done that, she first announced that it was her hunting knife. She said it was probably like a week after that knife was put in the dumpster. She did not know what happened to the disposable scalpel, adding she had no clue and wished she knew. Detective Sergeant Voss asked Courtney what she was looking for in an immunity agreement, what she was afraid of, and then confronted her that she had provided a lot of information to the police. She reassured us that she would cooperate, quote, the whole way, quote. Detective Lieutenant Pisker pointed out her obstruction of the investigation, and she agrees. When asked about the seat covers, Courtney said Bradley burned them. She also said that Bradley went out and cleaned the truck, specifically mentioning the dash. She described that the cloth was burned, that the bucket was taken back into the house. Courtney didn't think the floor in the truck was cleaned. Courtney was asked about the Kimmy stuff, and she suggested that Kimberly doesn't know anything. She was just trying to feel important. Detective Sergeant Voss confronted Courtney that she was the person who told us recently that Kimberly was in the black car. She reported that Bradley came up with the story about Kimberly. Courtney said that she knew. Kimberly told us that she Courtney hit her and hit her body. When asked how she knows that Kimberly told us this, Courtney said that she told, quote, Ashley and reported Ashley is Rich's baby mama. Let's be clear. It's not this Ashley. It's Ashley Crozy. Ashley Crozy has a child with Rich Fowler. Courtney said that all that Kimberly did was lie to the police and has no involvement. She also said that Rich Fowler was not involved, but did say she didn't know if he deleted anything from Rebecca's phone or not. Detective Lieutenant Pisker asked about a text message about not allowing anyone from the State of Michigan on her Property and Rebecca saying that they should talk about that so she's clear on what that means. Courtney denied sending such a message. Detective Sergeant Voss asked when she first learned what actually happened and she said it was after her body was found. Detective Lieutenant Pisker then pointed out she could have covered herself had she cooperated. On Monday at Mount Pleasant, Voss asked how Bradley told her how he killed Rebecca and she said, quote, he told me that he slit her throat, quote. When he asked how she told him that he cut the baby out, she said, quote, he had one of my scalpels. She denied that he said how he did that, then said, quote, he just said that I cut him out. That was it. That was all he said. End quote. Voss asked about the baby getting cut out, being put in the garbage bag and being put in a blue cooler and what he said about that. She said that he just said he took them, put him in a garbage bag, stuffed him in a cooler and threw him in a trash dumpster. She knows that it was that specific cooler because his work cooler's gone. She shows the size as a lunchbox size cooler and described it as a soft sided cooler with a hard plastic inside to keep the side supported and it has a black strap. Courtney reported the garbage bags came from her house and she knows this because she counts her garbage bags and she noticed that two of her garbage bags are gone. I'm just staring at this like I'm just. Do you catch your garbage bags? Really? You know that two of them are gone? She's so full of. It's unbelievable. The hunting knife is described by Courtney as being green, having a serrated blade on one side and a flat blade on the other side and is a fixed blade, not a folding knife. She is sure that Bradley used that knife. The knife was purchased at Walmart within the last year and she provided a description of it. When asked if she noticed any items missing out of Kimberly's purse, she didn't report any. Courtney denied that Bentley knows anything. We took a break and moved Courtney to another room. On Sunday, November 30, Voss and I began a second recorded interview with Bradley. But Bartholomew we reminded Bradley that the rights we discussed earlier are still applied and he agreed he was still good with it. Lieutenant Pisker notified Bradley that Courtney was putting it all on him. He broke down details that Courtney had provided. Pisker explains how the investigation has come down to to involving himself and Courtney. Voss explains how we believe it went down and how evidence will support the investigation. An appeal to Bradley was Made that he needed to tell the truth. Bradley is confronted with how much gas he put in the truck when he was at the Meyer on Sunday after leaving the hospital and he reported five bucks when asked about information he feels we should know that we haven't already discussed. Bradley reports that he knows his lunch cooler is missing and describes it as being blue and thinks it's an Oregon Trail brand. He said it's big enough to hold an eight pack of pop bottles. His description of the cooler is basically the same as Courtney's. He estimates the cooler has been missing for about two weeks. Bradley is not aware of Courtney's counting their garbage bags because of Bentley's use of them. We confront Bradley that she is blaming him for dumping the body and putting the fetus in his lunchbox. It is explained that she is attempting to place the blame on him. Bradley is confronted with a statement he made in his first interview that Rebecca was stabbed. Sergeant Voss asks him about that statement again and how he knows she was stabbed. Lt. Pisker pointed out that both he and Courtney have reported on the scalpel and that you don't need to make a stabbing motion with a scalpel to slice someone open. It is pointed out that Courtney said he is threatening her, including in the parking lot prior to them leaving for their interviews on Monday. It is also shared with him that she identified that it was revenge for Fowler turning him in last year on his sex offender registration violation, to which he responded, that's bullshit. It is explained that what Courtney had said about why the baby was cut out of Rebecca during a revenge murder doesn't make sense. We remind him of the NICU story and her attempts to get custody of Kimberly and Rebecca's children. Bradley begins to tell us, quote, I'm sure Courtney stabbed her because she did have a hunting knife. He reported the case for the knife went into the trash bin and thinks it might still be in the bin. He identified that the knife went into the trash at Cadillac Shores. He reported that Courtney is the one who cut the baby out of Rebecca. He confirms that he witnessed this as it had taken place right where she is laying out on the trails behind the house. He confirms that is the reason he had told an officer to check the trails behind the house. He reported that he knew Rebecca had a bunch of leaves on her because Courtney buried her in leaves where she was found. Bradley confirmed that a scalpel from the bedroom was used. When he was asked if the baby was alive when he was cut out, he responded no. He confirmed that it was just the two of them that were present. When Sergeant Voss asked when she stabbed her, where did she stab her? And Bradley said in the truck. When asked what location on Rebecca's body had Courtney stabbed her, he responded he didn't know. As he jumped out of the truck. Bradley reported that Rebecca had gotten into the white truck voluntarily. He confirms that the plan to get the Tide Pods was legitimate and he was unaware that the plan was to stab her. Bradley denied that there was a plan of this. While in the pickup, Bradley said he was driving, Courtney was in the passenger seat and Rebecca was in the middle. He claimed not to know what Courtney had told Rebecca to get her into the truck. Initially, Brad was in the house with Bentley and he said he went outside to get away from everything so he didn't have to worry about Rebecca coming in. He denied getting a phone call from Courtney that they were in the driveway when he got outside. Courtney and Rebecca were in the escape and Courtenay and had said she blew out a tire on the escape so they got in the truck. From here they get on the trail to the woods because the truck doesn't have a valid plate. Bradley said that Courtney was mad because Rebecca was always bad mouthing her and wouldn't give her a chance to be a mom. Bradley confirmed that Courtney wanted the baby for herself despite Courtney wanting the baby. Bradley said it was unrealistic to expect that Courtney would be allowed to adopt the baby. Bradley described that the actual stabbing began when Courtney just grabbed the knife and started stabbing at her. The knife had been down on Courtney's right. He said she stabbed her in the chest as far as he knew, but said he jumped out of the truck when Courtney started swinging. So he wasn't sure. Bradley knew they were on the trails and said he could take officers to the scene. Sergeant Voss asked at what point did they realize that Rebecca is dead and he identified that it was after Courtney cut the baby out of her. He said that Courtney tried CPR on the baby. Bradley said that Rebecca was not in the truck when Courtney cut the baby out of her. He said that Courtney tricked her to get out of the truck and made her start walking after she'd already been stabbed. Rebecca walked behind the truck but is unable to run due to her pregnancy. When Detective Voss. When Sergeant Voss asked why what Courtney did to kill Rebecca, he explained that Courtney had Rebecca lay down as she was still alive and she cut the baby out of her. Bradley said he was beside the trail telling Courtney that she doesn't need to do that. That's not right. Come on. You're just standing there pious as hell. Don't do that. It's not right. I'm just standing beside it all happening. They do not have the bag or the cooler that the baby is eventually put in at this time. Now the baby is cut out. Bradley said they just left Rebecca there. He identified that he couldn't tell if she was dead or not. Courtney decided that they should head to the house and Courtney is holding the baby on her lap as Bradley drives. Bradley said the baby never took a breath and he never heard the baby cry. Took about 5 minutes to get back to the house. Bradley stated that Courtney took the baby into the house and into her bedroom where she's trying to perform CPR on the baby, which is on a towel on the bed. He also said he tried to perform CPR on the baby by doing chest compression and breathing into his mouth. He said this went on for about 15 minutes. After they arrived home, Bradley reported Courtney went into the kitchen, got a garbage bag and placed the baby in a garbage bag and went outside with the baby. He identified that the cooler was in the bed of the white truck and he saw the baby go into the cooler. He explained that the baby went into the cooler because the cooler can be zipped up and it had the baby in it and dispose of the cooler and not be seen again. It's not written very well, but I think you're getting the idea. Bradley said that the same night he is with Courtney who is now driving the truck and they went and disposed of the knife first and they put the baby in a GFL tote at a house north of their residence where there had been some logging done recently. Bradley denied burning the seat covers from the truck and said Courtney burned them. He did say he cleaned inside the truck using a gray bucket and some bleach and water. He denied cleaning the floor and believes there will be blood on the floor of the truck. Bradley denied placing the phone on the two track, but again he said he found the phone on the two track. He did agree that he had the phone on his person. On Monday, November 3rd, Detective Voss confronts Bradley that if Courtney told him to do this, we want him to tell us now. He denies that he stabbed Rebecca. When Lt. Pisker asked Bradley about the card found with Rebecca, he said that he didn't know anything about it and couldn't recall what it was, but knew it was on social media. He did not see a card when he left the area. He also did not see another weapon or tools when he was at the scene or anything else. Bradley doesn't know if anyone else has been to the scene where Rebecca's body was since she was killed, and he denied that he has been back to the scene. When Bradley was asked about Rebecca not having shoes on, he appeared surprised by that. Bradley gives a description of where Rebecca's body was in relation to the trail and where things occurred. He denied that Courtney asked him to position the truck so the lights would assist. He said the lights shining around the side of the front of the truck was enough illumination for Courtney to cut the baby out. When he left, the body was still on the same hill. Courtney covered Rebecca with leaves, but denied branches were placed on her. At the time, the baby was on a towel next to Courtney. Questioning the presence of a towel, Bradley is asked if he thinks Courtney planned this and he said, I have a feeling she did, but never told him of a plan. Bradley did not see Courtney place a towel or the hunting knife in the truck. Using a Wexford county map, Bradley showed the route of the travel he took and approximately where they were. He agreed he could take officers out and show them where things had taken place. On Monday, November 3rd, quote, while discussing if there was blood on any of the clothing he or Courtney had been wearing that night, he identified that when they got home, Courtney changed into a nightgown. Previously, he had said they had gone out and disposed of the baby and the knife that night. Now, when asking about this, Bradley said the baby stayed in the cooler that night on the back porch. He now reported it was Wednesday, November 5, when the items were placed in the dumpsters. Specifically because Thursday is garbage day. Good memory. He said that it was Courtney who placed the cooler with the baby in it in the garbage tote. They were in the escape when they discarded the knife and the baby. Bradley said one of the things that he believes Courtney said after she couldn't revive the baby was the bitch killed my baby. Can you believe this? As if to suggest Rebecca, while being murdered, is responsible for killing the baby, not the people who literally cut the baby out of the womb. According to cops, Bradley reported that he watched Courtney as the knife was placed in the glove box at the Ford Escape, and he believes that there will likely be blood located in the glove box. On Sunday, November 30th, Sergeant Voss and I began a second recorded interview with Courtney Bartholomew. As she enters the interview room, Courtney reports she's ready to go home when it is pointed out that she is saying it's all Bradley. When asked what she thinks, Bradley has been saying. She reported that he's probably saying it's both of them. And we confirm her statement and say we know they are both present. Courtney denies that she wanted the baby for herself. She admitted that Bradley brought the baby to the house and told her that the baby was not breathing. Courtney said she told him to call 91 1. Sure you did. But Bradley said they weren't doing that. She denied getting involved and said it was because she has Bentley and can't put herself in a position like that. Courtney reported that the day the drones were flying around, the baby was in the metal shed out in the back. Courtney said she knew that Bradley was going to try to pin this on her because. Because he had told her, quote, I'll take you down with me. Courtney told us that Bentley can prove that she was home. On the third, Courtney is confronted with her explanation that Rebecca willingly got into the truck with Bradley to go for a ride, that he then murdered her and cut the fetus out. When confronted with cellular telephone data and location data records, Courtney announces that Bradley had taken her phone so that she couldn't call the police. That's very convenient, isn't it? Courtney is confronted with her version of the events being difficult to believe. Boy, I'll say. Eventually, Courtney said she is going to tell us what happened. Hallelujah. She's going to be honest. Do you buy it? Do you think she's going to be honest? Let's keep reading. Quote, brad took her. He brought the baby back. I tried. I didn't. I couldn't. I tried. I tried to save my grandson and began to cry. Sergeant Voss asked how Bradley, quote, unquote, took Rebecca. Courtney said he pulled her out of the car and she got into the truck. Courtney admits that she told Rebecca she was going to come with her. She places herself in the truck on the passenger side. Rebecca is in the middle, and Bradley's driving. Bradley has the knife, according to her, from the house they drove to, where Bradley ended up stabbing Rebecca. She claimed not to know Rebecca was going to die that night. Courtney places Bradley across South 21st and a half road from their house. As she is arriving with Rebecca, Courtney admits she knows something is going to go down because Bradley is on foot across the road waiting for them to arrive. She reported that Bradley approached the vehicle by just walking up on her side, grabbed Rebecca by the arm and got her out of the escape. And she willingly gets into the pickup to go for a ride after he told Rebecca, your mom is going with us. Yeah, that sounds plausible, right? I'm going to grab you by the arm, rip you out of a car, and then you're going to willingly get into the next truck because your mom is going with you. From the house, they drive to where Rebecca gets stabbed. Courtney said that Bradley told Rebecca to get out of the truck while Courtney stayed inside. Rebecca is taken to the rear of the truck where Bradley stabbed her. At first, she said she assumed he stabbed Rebecca because he came back with the knife all bloody. When Sergeant Voss asked Courtney at what point did she cut the baby out of Rebecca, she answers, I didn't. He did, and he handed him to me. Courtney also said the baby wasn't breathing and she didn't hear him cry. Courtney claimed to have never gotten out of the truck because she didn't have her crutches or her wheelchair. She again claimed that this was a revenge plot because she had a sexual relationship with Rich Fowler that would be Rebecca's fiance. And because Rich got Bradley put in jail, she claimed that Bradley wanted to hurt Rich. Quote. When confronted with the report that she stabbed Rebecca 1 while driving down the road, Courtney denied it. When asked how all the blood got all over the truck, she answered that it was from the knife, then suggested that Rebecca got back in the truck. Boy, does this story change a lot when she's confronted with the actual forensic information. Eventually, Courtney admitted that she cut the baby out of Rebecca ah, in an attempt to save him so that she could take him the baby to Rich. When she cut the baby out, Courtney said that Rebecca was still conscious and Bradley was holding the knife to her throat. She told Rebecca to lay back. Quote, your baby is gonna die, end quote. Courtney denied that Rebecca had been stabbed while in the truck. Revisiting the driveway, Sergeant Voss asked if Bradley held the knife to her throat to get her into the truck, and Courtney nodded her head in the affirmative. While in the truck, Bradley put the knife down by his left side. During the ride, Sergeant Voss asked what is said to Rebecca and Courtney said she told her everything is going to be okay. Courtney said she promised that Bradley wasn't going to hurt her. When they get to the area where this happens, Bradley pulled Rebecca out of the truck and he spun her around and stabbed her in the back four or five times. Bradley brings Rebecca to her side of the truck and is sitting next to the door, and Bradley ordered Rebecca to lay back. Courtney said she told Rebecca that if she doesn't lay back, her baby is going to die. Courtney looked in the truck and saw the scalpel, so she hurried up and did it, but her grandson wasn't breathing. Courtney said she started her incision along her belly, and Bradley told her to cut downward. It would be easier. Courtney reported that Rebecca is still talking at this time, telling her to hurry up and asking if he's out. Can you believe this? Yeah, I'm actually performing a C section on this live woman, and she's saying, you know, hurry up and is it out yet? Unbelievable. She said she told Rebecca he was about out and that Rebecca told her to save him when she got the baby out. Courtney said she had dental floss from the dash and she put it in her pocket because she knew she would have to tie off the umbilical cord. So, again, Courtney just has dental floss handy for this. This wasn't planned in advance that you're going to need to tie off the umbilical cord with the dental floss. Just. Just happened to have it. She reported tying off the umbilical cord the best that she could once the baby was out. She said that Bradley slit Rebecca's throat with the knife. Next, she said that Bradley used a cord from the snow plow on the truck to hook her body to the truck. And he pulled Rebecca down the bank maybe 20ft, pulling her back and off the road. She said he then covered her with leaves. Courtney said the towel was in the truck already. That's convenient, isn't it? Especially if you're not planning all this. But she didn't know how the scalpel got into the truck. I mean, Courtney talked about how she would have come to the sheriff's office if she'd been able to give the baby to Rich to report what happened. Discussing this, she claims that since this happened, she hasn't been able to get away from Bradley. When reminded that on Monday she was in Mount Pleasant and he was in Grayling, she could have said something then. Oops, I guess you forgot about that, did you, Courtney? Courtney confirmed that after she was stabbed, Rebecca never got back in the truck. She was asked how the blood got into the truck, and Courtney reported that it was from the umbilical cord making blood fly all over. Courtney said she never stabbed Rebecca. She was only responsible for trying to save her grandson. When asked if she thought she should have tried to save her daughter, Courtney said she couldn't. When asked how many times she talked to Bradley on the ride to her house from Riches, she reported it was only once she identified she had the phone, certain phone, and that the call they had lasted about 10 minutes. When Lt. Pisker confronted Courtney with the two incisions she admitted to having made to remove the baby. He asked her if she thinks Rebecca would have survived those wounds. She said, no, probably not. Courtney admitted that about one to two months prior to this having happened, Bradley researched the procedure for getting a baby out. Courtney said that Bradley put the items in the dumpster, but she was present in the Ford escape for both. Courtney is asked, whose idea is it to leave items at the crime scene? And she said it was Brad's. She then identified the items were Kimberly's debit card and a razor knife. Courtney reported these items were placed after Kimberly was went on social media saying that Courtney and Bradley were responsible for the purpose of framing Kimberly. So here's Courtney willing to frame her daughter for the murder of her other daughter that she admits to performing a live C section on. When pressed on the debit card, Courtney said it belonged to James Mercer, not Kimberly, and that the card came from Kimberly's backpack. She said he used one of the plastic bags from her backpack to keep from getting his fingerprints on it. These items were suspected to have been placed by Bradley the day before Rebecca's body was recovered. She said he left with the escape that day for about 20 minutes. Lt. Pisker asked Courtney to provide some information that isn't already known that can verify her statements. And she reported Brad said it was his in reference to Rebecca's baby. Okay, so now we have Courtney's husband impregnating her daughter and saying that the baby is his. Now, when it is questioned, if they don't like each other, Courtney said, yes, they do. So it's not convenient anymore to have Rebecca hating Brad, especially if it's Brad's baby there. Huh? Revisiting the conversation she had with Bradley a month prior about C sections, she reported that he looked it up on his phone. When asked why they were having that discussion, Courtney answered, because that's what he said was going to happen. She said he told her he was going to cut the baby out of Rebecca right in front of Rich. Courtney said she brushed it off. When Lieutenant Pisker commented on Courtney's story about having delivered a premature baby that was down in the nicu, she denied it and suggested it was a friend's baby that she was thinking about giving up. As she's been confronted with the obviousness that there was a plan for this to happen. Courtney said that Bradley had told her to pull straight in, but that she didn't. She turned the corner in her driveway instead, questioning why he told her to pull in straight Courtney reveals that Bradley had told her if he was going to do anything, it would be right there. When he does grab Rebecca, Courtney tries to get him to stop. But she said that he had a knife to Rebecca's throat and he ordered everyone to get in the white truck. While in the truck, Rebecca slid over to Courtney asking what was going on. And she said she reassured her that Bradley just wanted to talk. Courtney described that Rebecca was calm after just having a knife held to her throat to get in the truck. And that, my friend, is where the arrest warrant affidavit ends. The signatures are underneath there. I know. I feel kind of like it was so confusing, it was badly written. But I'm going to be honest with you, pretty much every arrest warrant that I ever read or warrant or anything that's written by police is usually written pretty badly. I feel bad for the prosecutors. They're gonna have to sort through a lot of this, make sense of a lot of it. But I can tell you one thing. None of this bodes well for Courtney Bartholomew. None of this bodes well for Bradley Bartholomew. The two of them together. And I'm going to go out on a limb here. Big prediction. They are going down for premeditated first degree murder, right? And every other ugly charge that they ascribe to this crime. The torture of carving into a live pregnant woman to get her baby out, stabbing her repeatedly, terrorizing her, stabbing her in a truck, stabbing her outside, performing this kind of a sickening C section outside while she's alive. All of this is so egregious that in any kind of sentencing, all that shit's coming in as aggravators. And aggravators basically say you're never, ever, ever, ever, as Taylor Swift would say, getting out of prison. Never. My prediction is these two are both going to get toe tag parole. Neither one of them is told the truth from the get go. And when confronted with very uncomfortable and inconvenient truths, they change their stories, but continually lie again. And then that lie is confronted with forensics and they lie again. So neither one of them is going to be treated well by the system. They're going to be treated, in my estimation, as co conspirators in this first degree murder and this torture of Rebecca Park. But that's where we leave this episode. If you stayed till the end, my God, do I love you. You are amazing. But you are also the kind of super curious type that is the ultimate true crime fan. Because people like us, we want every detail. We want the nitty gritty we want to know exactly what they said and when and when they changed it. And friends, you got it. You got it all right here. But I promise you I'm going to continue to follow this story and there's going to be more than just this. Mark my word. Maybe they'll sign a deal with prosecutors because they got them dead to rights, right? I don't know that this is going to go to trial. I don't know. But if it does, holy shit are we going to get more. And by the way, we may get more in the pre trial hearings because they're only just starting this process. Thank you so much for listening and watching and staying until the end. I so appreciate you. And remember, the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead serious. No two companies are alike. That's why the American Express corporate program can help you customize rewards, reporting and billing options all designed for your business. Build your program with American Express@AmericanExpress.com Corporate terms apply.
