Karen Reed (4:19)

So did you drive your car into John? I did not drive my car into John. Didn't reverse it, did not hit John with my car. Is there any chance this was an accident? There is zero chance this was an accident. There was zero chance John was hit by a vehicle.

Ashley Banfield (4:43)

You're tired of it.

Karen Reed (4:44)

You've spent so much time. No, I just. No, I'm not tired of it. I hate answering it because I feel like I'm being so scrutinized. Like, did she blink three times or twice? And did she, like, smirk or look to the right or down and up and left or whatever? And, like, it just feels so fake, even though it's true. I rather, like, explain everything else and, like, I did not hit John with my car. Like, I can't make it sincere enough. I hate saying it.

Ashley Banfield (5:11)

Why are you doing this film?

Karen Reed (5:14)

This is my version of testifying. Doing this film is my. My testimony. This has happened to me. And, you know, I know what happened between John and me. I know what happened in our life and time spent together before then. I know the events of that morning. I know what I said. I know what I didn't say. And I Haven't been able to say it. It's incredibly frustrating. I want to say what happened exactly as it happened. It's weird. Like you're used to working all day and having a life and a career and a routine, and then you don't have it and now you're fighting for your life. I still can't believe what's happening to.

Ashley Banfield (6:00)

Me from the very first episode. The docu series leans heavily into the chaos, the absolute chaos that was swirling around Karen Reed at the outset of her trial. Her popularity, shall we say, among the public and the staunch supporters that surrounded the courthouse, many of them wearing pink during her court appearances.

Karen Reed (6:21)

All eyes are on us now. People are following it. In all my years of practice, this is the first time I've ever shown up to a court hearing where there are people cheering for a defendant. We're here for justice, for penalty. This is not about justice. This is about spectacle. A quite literal murder carnival. It's as though she was the happiest murder defendant in America, walking a red carpet on the way into her own murder trial. Are we not at a trial for a police officer? Elle magazine wants to feature me. Can I do it? Damn right you should do it. Oh, actually, I love the pink. Love the pink. We love you.

Ashley Banfield (7:14)

We love you, we love you.

Karen Reed (7:15)

As she's walking into court. Those walks are just lovely and bittersweet. Everyone's telling me they love me and I look beautiful and knock them dead. And it's a nice little ego bath that we take walking in there.

Ashley Banfield (7:32)

Karen lays out exactly what happened earlier in the day before John O'Keefe was killed. Karen Reed is not subtle. She says she is innocent. She says law enforcement insiders knew what really happened to John. And she says that they work to protect their own by blaming her. She specifically points to 34 Fairview, the house where John O'Keefe was found, as the place where the real answers lie. She doesn't just suggest a cover up. She accuses people by name. And there are also some new claims, too. Details that Karen Reed has not said publicly before. She says John took her vodka glass from the car that night and brought it inside the house at 34 Fairview. We hear her detail why she was so upset and why she says she drove off without John O'Keefe in the car. And she finally addresses that now infamous moment the morning that he was found. Did I hit him? The phrase heard by multiple witnesses.

Karen Reed (8:35)

John and I argued the morning of the 28th, Friday morning. Most of our arguments were about his Kids and that he thought I spoiled them. And I thought it was a real low blow of him to get on me for that. But it pissed me off that day. Everyone was getting ready for this massive blizzard. But I realized I didn't want to be shut in here with the snow. I'd rather be up there with John and the kids and doing something fun. And we always had fun on the weekends. I think I left here in Mansfield at 8:30 and I met John at a bar in Canton, see if MacArthur at 9. And then we went to the waterfall, right next door to McCarthy's. And my attitude always when I was out and about with John was, you know, he's got to blow off steam. It suits us all if John blows off a little steam because he always has steam. So I said, sure, let's go. This can't last forever, right? Everybody was some level of intoxication. That was what we did in Canton. Everybody drank. They leave these bars. They're in their little enclaves where they can all go drunk driving on the way home and nobody gets pulled over. So I'm driving and John got on the phone with Jen and he's telling me it's 34 Fairview. And we arrive at 34 Fairview. It didn't look like there was any soiree going on. It didn't look inviting. The outside was dark and I didn't see any familiar looking vehicles. And I said, john, can you make sure we're welcome? He said, I'll run in. So when John got out of the car at Brian Albert's house, he took my full vodka soda, which is sitting in the cup holder, and he walked up the driveway. And John always walked, kind of skipped and walked at the same time. He was always in a rush. And I saw him reach the breezeway door, which is the second, the side front door. And he opened the door and went to walk in. And I waited probably a minute and he doesn't come. And it only took like two or three minutes that for me to be irritated. So I started, I called him. I didn't want to wait for him to respond to a text. And he didn't answer. I said, you've got to be kidding me. What are you doing? You just went in. I'm sitting here. Either we're welcome or we're not, but it shouldn't take you five minutes to, to determine that. And then about 10 minutes went by and I, I left. And I was not happy. John, you, you are using me right now. You're a Loser yourself. And little did I know, John was not getting my phone calls. And then that was it. The last I ever talked to him was when he got out of my car at Brian Albert's.

Ashley Banfield (11:47)

These are Karen's thoughts in the immediate aftermath of the death of her boyfriend, John O'Keefe. And also it's an account of her conversations with her defense attorney, David Yannetti, not long after John died.

Karen Reed (12:01)

Just three days after John died, they arrested me here. Literally where I'm sitting right now, this is my dining room at my house. They had already seized my vehicle and my cell phone, so I knew I was a suspect. And I wasn't hearing about anybody else being a suspect, so I knew they were coming for me. The day after this happened, the day after John was killed, I was confused and bewildered. There was no memory of anything happening. But I had been drinking, and it was late. I never heard from him again, ever, obviously. So I thought, could I have run him over? Did he try to get me as I was leaving? And I didn't know it. I mean, I've always got the music blasting. It's. So I got the wipers going, the heater blasting. Did he come and hit the back of my car? And I hit him in the knee, and he was drunk and passed out and asphyxiated or something. And then when I hired David Iannetti, I asked him those questions the night of January 29th. Like, David, what if. I don't know, what if I ran his foot over? Or what if I clipped him in the knee and he passed out or went to care for himself and he threw up or passed out? And David said, yeah, then you have some element of culpability. So that's how I thought about things for about three days. I didn't think I was gonna get arrested again for John's death, but I was wrong. This nightmare was just beginning.

Ashley Banfield (13:34)

The drama doesn't stop with Karen Reid alone. Enter Aiden Carney, better known as Turtle Boy, a controversial blogger turned crusader who inserted himself into the case with relentless force. Prosecutors say he crossed the line from commentator to criminal. And Turtle Boy faced charges of witness intimidation for allegedly harassing key figures who were tied to the investigation.

Karen Reed (14:00)

We wouldn't be in this business if we didn't get leaks and have anonymous sources. So it's definitely a media strategy. My lawyers told me we could share anything with Turtle Boy as long as it was public and not for me to do it directly to go through a third party. And then I started to get nervous about who I was using for a third party. So I eventually just started sending things directly and then we started talking about the case probably once a day, almost every day, five, six days a week. Jen McCabe was at the crime scene and something happened. John was. John was murdered. So, Jen McCabe. It's me or her. Either I'm going down, Jen, or you are. Just like a lot of harassment.

Ashley Banfield (14:57)

Can I have a moment to be sure?

Karen Reed (15:02)

I. It's, it's impossible for me to have any sympathy for any of these witnesses. Definitionally. Is it harassing witnesses? Yes, they're witnesses against me in my prosecution. And is he yelling things at them? And is he going up to their front doors and ringing the bell? Yes, but they shouldn't be witnesses. They should have been suspects. So it's, it's not, it's not cut.

Ashley Banfield (15:29)

And dry like Karen Reed stated in the first episode. Quote, this is her version of testifying, end quote. In this next clip, she gives her rebuttal on those heated voicemails and her alleged affair with Brian Higgins. And if she said the words, I hit him or not. She also discusses how much she remembers that night and acknowledges that alcohol could have impacted her memory.

Karen Reed (15:54)

I kept calling him, John, I hate you. You know, I'm drinking, I'm swearing. It's. It's horrible. John, I'm here with your kids and nobody knows what the you are, you pervert. I became convinced he's sleeping with someone and there were multiple women in the neighborhood of Fairview that John had been with. John, you. You are using me right now. You're another girl. You're loser yourself. Yeah, it's 1 in the morning. I'm with your niece and nephew. You pervert. You're pervert. I may have said to Carrie, I'm worried he's dead or something, but I didn't say unequivocally in a declarative statement, kerry, John's dead. And if I had killed him, why would I be saying that? It doesn't make any sense. I remember everything I said, could I have hit him? Did I hit him? I mean, I'm not as clear as I would be if I hadn't been drinking. I mean, I had drank, so. And that led me to question, like, could I have hit him? Did I run over his foot or hit him in the knee? Did I incapacitate him? I knew that morning that my tail light was broken, but I have no memory of a 200 pound man hitting my car in any way. And my memory is not as sharp when I drink as it is when I don't. But I don't black out. I don't wake up and say I can't remember anything from the night before. So there's no part of me that thinks I hit John. I know I didn't hit John. All it would take is for one rogue to just walk a few feet away from the others. It's windy, it's dark, it's freezing. And just drop it and say, guys, guys, we got something over here. That's all it takes. I don't even like she's the phrase having an affair because I wasn't married. That's one aspect of this that frustrates me is, you know, Karen was flirting with somebody else or attempting to hook up with someone else. But, I mean, John and I were just dating. Just dating. We're middle age and we didn't pay a mortgage together. We didn't have life insurance together. We didn't have kids together. I think if you look under the hood of anyone's relationship or go through anyone's phone and they've taken multiple phones of mine, like, yeah, I've argued with John. We argued that day. And if that's evidence that I of murder, then I guess a lot of people have evidence that they're capable of murder on their cell phones.

Ashley Banfield (18:18)

This next clip portrays Karen's demeanor in court and how she comes off to those in the courtroom. Karen describes how she's outspoken and wants to speak up for herself, but is frustrated that she can't.

Karen Reed (18:31)

I've been someone who's always enjoyed speaking up for myself. Everyone who knows me knows I'm outspoken, and I like being there. I like being in control. And now I'm at the most important part of my life, my family's lives, my friends lives. And I can't defend myself. I have to sit there on my hands and try to not have emotion with these jurors on one side, John's family here, and the cameras, wherever the hell they are. And I know so much that I want to say, and I want to scream like, you little shit, who do you think you're fooling? Liar. And I want to scream at that judge, like, is this a game? I think there's two versions of Karen Reid inside the courtroom. There's the version when the jury's present and the version when they're not. And when the jury is not present, Karen Reed is often looking back and talking to her family, who's sitting right behind her, laughing, making small talk with her attorneys. But when the jury is there, she is often very stoic, lips pursed to a degree, looking straightforward at the witness. Before the jury comes in, she's posing for pictures with Yannetti and Jackson and these spectators who get to come in, and those are getting posted all over social media.

Ashley Banfield (19:50)

In the final episode, we see Karen's real thoughts regarding the jury deliberation and her defense team's conversation after jumping into their SUV and leaving the courthouse following her mistrial.

Karen Reed (20:03)

People who are unbiased and look at this evidence, not even deeply into the evidence, but his injuries, my car, just those two. It's, it's apparent what happened and what didn't happen. The jurors looked frustrated. I mean, I've been staring at these people for, I don't know, eight, nine, ten weeks. I just don't know what more we can do. I just want to go home and eat dinner and, you know, have, have a drink. During deliberation, we found out that the jurors could hear chanting, yelling and screaming. My anxiety is high. I'm trying to think positively about this jury, but my life is in their hands and I just want to know what, what's happening to my life.

Ashley Banfield (20:52)

So was this a smart strategy? Was it risky, this kind of pr, or was it the only way that Karen Reed felt that she could speak out? A lot of this docu series was more focused on John O'Keefe and his family and his loved ones and their reaction throughout the process. Some people wonder if this is going to hurt Karen and maybe help the prosecution. And whether you believe Karen Reed is guilty or. Or if you think she's being railroaded, there is no denying that she has taken her case, not just to court, but to the public. Thank you so much for listening, everyone. Don't forget to subscribe if you're enjoying this podcast. We have lots of bonus episodes all the time. I don't want you to miss it. And until next time, I'm Ashley Banfield. And don't forget that the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead serious.