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Just talk about whatever the killer was wearing that night on his feet, okay? Because if this is Dr. McKee, they are going to be looking at any footprints in the snow all around the house and in the area. Footprints in the snow and ice, okay? Compromised by the 911 callers who came to do the welfare check because the police got it wrong. If the police had gone to the.

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Then they would have likely found the tepes and walled that off, and nobody would have gotten in there except the killer and the cops. And so any footprints in the snow around the house and in that alley and out the garage, in the backyard and everything, they would match the, you know, the boot print or the footprints, the treads on the bottom of a shoe. They would try to match it to anything they could find in Dr. McKee's apartment. So they will be going through every single piece of footwear in Dr. McKee's apartment, in his weekend house, wherever he has a girlfriend, maybe, or whatever, they will try to get any piece of footwear to see if Dr. McKee's matches whatever they might find in the snow. But then his defense attorney will. Will say, yeah, but look at all these people that came to the house and stomped all over the place. That's one of the reasons it was such a frustrating thing to hear, that the cops got it wrong. Let's move on with the footprints, though, because footprints aren't just in snow. Sometimes they're in muck and dirt. I know it was super cold and frozen, so that's a little less likely. But not impossible. Not impossible. You can get a footprint in some sand or loose dirt. If that's around the home, in the backyard and the alleyway as well, that's possible. And guess where else you can get a footprint in carpet. So it's possible there might be a footprint in some carpet in the tepe home. And if that footprint matches any footwear that they get from Dr. McKee's home, well, there's another piece right there. Is it perfect on its own? No, there's lots of reasonable doubt in that. But it's one more piece, and we're just going to build it as we go. Don't go anywhere because there's a lot of this coming. I also want to tell you one more thing. In those feet, the killer's feet all over the house of Monique and Spencer and the babies, killer's feet are picking up things, right? Fibers, carpet, DNA, touch DNA. And then heading back home and Maybe walking over their carpets at home or their car. Right. And maybe that material is still on the actual footwear. So there's a lot that can happen with footwear. You know, not just footprints, but also whatever's on it. Any kind of dirt stuck in the treads of those feet, those shoes that could have been taken home. So if there's a unique type of dirt around the Tepes home, or the kind of gravel that they have, the color of gravel, and it's lodged in a tread or anything like that, and they find a shoe in the apartment of Dr. McKee, that is also another phenomenal clue. And I have seen that lead to convictions in the past. So that's really interesting stuff. Let's now talk about one other super interesting point of reference for evidence, the kids. I have talked about this at length in another podcast. Again, just check back at my playlist and the link in the description here. But these are little kids, right? 17 months and 4 years old. The 17 month old child can say a few things, right? The four year old can say a lot of things. And there is no way in hell any child isn't going to wake up with multiple gunshots going off in a house. So it is likely those kids woke up. They might be able to tell police and investigators something. I just went to bed. I was still awake. It was just after story time or I was dead asleep. Whatever it is, they'll be able to help with timelines, help with everything. They may have heard some things. They may have heard someone yell. What if Mo yelled Michael? No. What if the four year old heard that? What if. That is unbelievable evidence. I mean, okay, Michael's a common name, but again, add it to the next piece of the. We're building the mountain of evidence. Okay, Just build it, right? The fibers on the shoe, not enough. But Michael, No. Okay, what if they heard mom and dad both yelling, don't stop it. No, no. Right? Then they know that there was an issue, maybe a fight. Right? What if the kids heard mommy and daddy go downstairs and let somebody into the house? Okay, I mentioned this at the top of the podcast and I want to bring it up now. I've been trying to figure out for the life of me how this guy got into their house. There's no signs of forced entry. Okay, maybe a basement window was left open. Lots of people are bad about their windows. No signs of forced entry. Did he get in because he rang the doorbell and Mo came down in the middle of the night saying, michael, what are you doing here? You know, and then in he comes again. He's innocent until proven guilty. This is a parlor game only. And then my mind went to someone who's sick enough to murder two parents and leave their children alone, orphaned in that house, is sick enough to play the twisted torture game, right? To mentally traumatize these two. If he's jilted and he's been seething for over half a decade, I wouldn't put it past somebody, somebody capable of a double murder like this is totally capable of doing the horrible things that you see in movies, right? The demented mind, the tortured, twisted mind. The Golden Gate killer rapist would torment his victims, torment them, go and get food out of their fridge while they were tied up after he'd raped them. I mean, he did horrible things. And so I'm not going to put it past a killer to possibly do this. And if Mo let him into the house, and if it is Dr. Michael McKee, it's possible that he was there for a while. The kids might have heard this. The kids might have heard it. These are the things that they might be able to give to the police. Now, I'm going to tell you about some unconfirmed reports you may see bouncing around the Internet right now. I want to make sure you know, they are unconfirmed. There is some school of thought that this killer took steps to protect the children from finding their parents in a bloodbath. How kind. I don't know that that's true, but I think, you know, as the case progresses, we'll find out if that's true. If that's the case, I would find it hard. Like how would you stop a 4 year old? 4 year olds can get out of their room. They can even get over a gate. And I used to put gates up against my children's doors so that they wouldn't fall down the stairs in the middle of the night or do something dangerous. But a four year old's pretty crafty, you know, and they're usually a little taller. I don't know if the killer was able to lock the bedroom door after the murders, but the 911 caller was able to see. So I'm not exactly sure about the validity veracity of that report, but it's just bouncing around the Internet. Unconfirmed. Okay, let's talk about a whole other area. And I'm grabbing the latte with the baking because murder's wrong because this is long. So electronics. I know you've heard this a million times before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all look at the electronics and murders. But I'm going to break down a couple you may not know about. The telephone. Yeah, that's an easy one. Brian Coburger shut his off as he's driving to kill these kids and then turns it back on as he's driving into his, you know, apartment. What an idiot. But cell phones are amazing things, even when they're turned off, because it's interesting when they're turned off. And when they're turned on, as in Idaho, it's also interesting to see what his phone has done right, in the last several days, weeks, months. Has that phone taken him, like Bryan Coburger did, to the victim's house to stalk, to drive by, to park and watch in the middle of the night? Because the phone, most people wouldn't think of it. If you're not committing a crime, you're just driving around, you know, a killer might not think about that. So the electronics that are seized from the home of Dr. Michael McKee will hopefully provide a wealth. He's a smart guy, right? He's been to, you know, decade and a half of college and university, so he's a smart guy. But I'm telling you, some of the smartest people are idiots. You know, Brian Coburger was a criminology PhD program and he screwed up. So I wouldn't put it past this killer, even if it is Dr. McKee to have fucked up royally. And I hope so. I hope that his phone shows him doing all sorts of things that are yet again building the mountain. Let's talk about a laptop or an iPad. What are you doing on the laptop? What are you doing on the iPad? You know, are you checking into their LinkedIns? Are you checking into their social media sites? Are you cyber stalking them? Because that'll be again, it's not evidence of murder, but it just tells you one more thing on the mountain, right? Gaming devices. This is kind of new. Gaming devices are communication devices. And not many people talk about was there any communication going on in gaming. That'll be something they can look at if he's a gamer and if he's got gaming devices in his home or wherever he hangs his hat. Apple watches. I mentioned this before, your Apple watch is not your friend if you're a killer. If this guy's wearing an Apple watch or a fitness tracker, it is a frickin popcorn trail, right? It will show you oftentimes where you've been, where you've gone, when your anxiety is elevated, your heart rate, your heartbeat. So that can be two different things. I told you, it could have been Monique and Sensor, you know, terrified and then dying and their hearts stopping. But it could also be the killer because I don't care who you are, especially if you're not a seasoned killer, you are freaking out. If you're pumping bullets into people, you are raging inside, right? And you are terrified and your, your blood is pumping, your heart is beating and your fitness tracker is showing all of this that. What time was it? 3:52am Yeah, 3:52am Not a normal time to be freaking the fuck out on your fitness tracker or your Apple watch. So those are all really, really good things. Also, I don't know if you know this, but your Apple watch has fitness tracker on it that tells you how long you've been standing and how many steps you've been taking. Right? So if you're standing and walking at 3:52am Again, does it prove that you're doing that at the murder scene? No. One more piece of the puzzle on the mountain. Okay. Also tells you when you're awake and when you've gone to sleep. So if you finally, again, allegedly, if it's Dr. McKee, if he's made his way back to Rockford, Illinois and then to Chicago where he lives, when did he finally go to bed that night? So all of that is going to be so informational if he has the fitness tracker and the Apple watch, if he was wearing it. So there's also the geolocation issues, right? All these things say where you're going, what you're doing. Your car tells you where you're going, what you're doing. There are so many different apps that say where you're going, right? I have ways and it tells me everything, right. I also have Google Maps and it lays a popcorn trail of everywhere I've been. And if that as well as the car is near the Tepe home. I mean, pretty hard to explain that away at 3:52 in the morning, right? Especially with all this other evidence. If there is any. Also, did any of the geolocating take Dr. McKee to Moe's workplace or Spencer's workplace, was there digital evidence of stalking? And again, all of this, all of these digital things. Not only that, handshakes. There are digital handshakes that are made all the time. You know, if I'm out roaming and trying to find Wi Fi, I'm. I'm shaking and checking in with a lot of different places. And so that could have happened at the Tepe home as well. It could have happened to Places near the TEPE home. So many things that killers don't think of. But your electronic movements that night, as well as all the other nights and days, that's going to tell a very big story about what you were doing prior to this killing, if in fact you're the killer. Dr. McKee, license plate readers, most people don't even think of it. And your toll tag, that got Melanie McGuire. But your toll tag tells you where you're driving. And license plate readers see you and record you. And that's quite a drive, you know, heading from Chicago. That's where Dr. McKee lives in that beautiful apartment overlooking Lake Michigan. At least a half million dollars, right? It was a beautiful place, really upscale building. Which, by the way, his neighbor said, he's delightful. And we've had all these great conversations. I could never imagine him doing this. I've seen him out at the pool and the barbecue. I've had great conversations. Of course she couldn't imagine him doing this. He's got no criminal record. He's a freaking vascular surgeon. That's not the neighbor you expect is going to do this. Right. Which will also help his defense lawyer marginally. But you know, those license plate readers will pick you up all the way. Along the way. Let's also talk about fuel purchases. Look, the average bear is not going to stop and make a fuel purchase in the middle of a murder. Jodi Arias was smart enough not to, however, not smart enough to realize when you have fuel tanks in your trunk, you know, jerry cans in your trunk that people see and know about, that's going to give you away. But it's a fair drive. You know, maybe he had to stop to make a fuel purchase. Maybe he's at a convenience store along the way. That all registers. Okay. Another really important aspect to the psychology after a killing, reaching out to surviving family members. I covered a case of a girl in Massachusetts named Michelle Carter who convinced her friend to kill himself. She was brought up on charges and convicted. And one of the things that she did afterwards was she ingratiated herself with his family. It was so sick to see what Michelle Carter did with the victim's mom. Oh, my goodness. What can I do to help? Oh, my God. I'm so close to him. This is so heart wrenching. Can I help with the funeral? Can I do a fundraiser? Sometimes killers come in close to the surviving family members and they want to be a part of it. They want to be helpful, they want to communicate, they want to ask. Any leads, anything. Mo's parents, even Spencer's parents, you know, or Mo's siblings, if she's got any Spencer siblings. I mean, this is what a lot of killers will do. I'm not saying that this killer did it, and I don't know if Dr. McKee did it. I don't know if he's the killer. But it's the kind of up behavior that a lot of these people do. So it will be fascinating to find out if that happened. And I'm going to give you another unconfirmed report that's bouncing all around the Internet. And again, nothing to prove this yet. There are some reports that he may have been abusive and that he did not want a divorce. I have not proven that yet. That has not come from official, you know, portals yet. Not from the police, not from family, not from people in the know. It's just sort of bouncing around out there. But, wow, that would fit a profile, though, wouldn't it? Abusive husbands, you know, often kill. And I just can't figure this one out because they are like 10 years since they married, and the marriage lasted seven months. They were separated after seven months. This has been a decade. And okay, Spencer came into Mo's life like five years ago, and then I'm sure that, you know, the kids followed four years ago and two years ago. And there would have been a lot of social media and visuals and, you know, the brother in law videotaped that wedding and did such a beautiful job. And I'm sure that was all over social media and maybe that just, just got into the DNA maybe of Dr. McKee if he's the killer. But holy shit, did that seethe for a long time if that's the case. So I'm really curious about any conversations that police may have had with Dr. McKee way before arresting him, because I sense they would have reached out.

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Ashley Banfield (38:48)

One of the first things you do is reach out to an ex in a murder like this, right? Like, who kills a man and a woman? Do they have any exes, exes, ex husbands or boyfriends or girlfriends? Like, they reach out and so, yeah, Mo had an ex husband. So my suspicion is that they would have reached out. Was he trying to be helpful to the police? Like, that's another kind of really fucked up kind of psychology, you know? Officers, thank you for coming. I'm devastated. Is there anything I can do to help? This is incredible. Like, oh, who could have done this? Let me go through my contact list for you. Let me do all. I have covered so many of these. And a lot of times the killer will do this if the killer's connected in some way. So that kind of psychology is going on here. So I'd be really curious to find out if the police talked to him and if he was trying to be helpful. But then I'm even more interested to find out if he talked after getting arrested. I'm going to get to that in just a moment. But I will say this once again. Unconfirmed report bouncing around the Internet does not come from official sources. But, you know, sometimes these unconfirmed reports actually do bear out. There is some talk that he gave the police an alibi, so that would suggest that he spoke with them. And I fully believe the police spoke with him within the 11 days before they came to him and arrested him. But there is this unconfirmed report that, that he spoke to the police, that he gave them an alibi that was a lie, saying that he was in Illinois when this happened. Okay, well, that's kind of the whole ball of Wax right there. If you give an alibi to the police and you say you were in Illinois and suddenly all your shit puts you in Ohio, all those things I told you about that I've been building to now, like, I don't have to go back over the list, right? I don't. All those things. If those things put you in Ohio and you told the police you were in Illinois, that really bodes poorly. It also gets you aligned to the police charge. Casey Anthony got one of those, you know, or obstructing the investigation. Those happen, you know, those are charges. You can be held on those for quite a long time before even murder. No sense here. He's up on murder. But does it prove you the killer? No. Because as a defense lawyer, certainly you could say, oh, my client was terrified. He's seen police come to his house, he's an ex husband in a double murder. He's like, I don't want to get anywhere near this. I'm just going to tell them I was just in Illinois the whole time. Right, but if you were in Ohio, forget about it. Forget about it. It's kind of a linchpin, right? One other thing that I think investigators are doing right now is literally going from this center of the concentric circle of Monique and Spencer's life and moving out into all the ripples. Everybody who knew them, everybody who loved them, everybody who was close to them, everybody who they might have shared personal information with. Because what they're going to be looking for is acrimony. Was there something going on with Dr. Michael McKee? Was he constantly pestering Monique about something? Was he arguing with her? Were there phone calls to me where there'd be shouting and. Or Monique, was she telling her friends, family, co workers, I can't shake this guy. He's so like obsessed with me. And he's like, mean and he's nasty and he makes all these crappy comments and he like comments on my Instagram like, ew, your kid's ugly, whatever, right? Like those nasty, nasty things. So I think they're going to be looking for some kind of evidence of the possibility that Dr. Michael McKee may have been like hung up on her in a not healthy, angry way. I find it weird that when I spoke with the children's uncle, the brother in law on Spencer's side, I asked him the question, is there anyone you can think of that might have wanted them dead? And he's like, no, there's just nothing. It didn't dawn on him that MO had an ex Husband who was a problem, like he didn't bring that up. And I can see someone not bringing that up because I'm about to go and accuse some guy of a double murder. But you might have said something like, well, there's someone in Mo's life who's been difficult lately, but I can't imagine murder like you might say that. But this brother in law said no, absolutely not. Have you learned anything new tonight about who this potential person of interest might be?

Rob Reiner or Family Member (43:32)

No, unfortunately I know just as much as the next person. I was told by a reporter about 10 minutes before this got posted that it was released by the police department. And when I first saw it, yeah, I do think suspicious looking person there. It also very well could be somebody walking home drunk from a bar. But it's evidence nonetheless that hasn't been released until now. And it's good that they're kind of progressing through this.

Ashley Banfield (44:07)

And this is right between 2am and 5am, which is the window. They say they believe that the shootings happened. Rob, do you or your family members have any idea who might have been capable of doing this? Did your family have any enemies? Did Spencer and Monique have any enemies at all that are known?

Rob Reiner or Family Member (44:30)

Not, you know, not that I can speak on or know of. I know that they've had this massive community around him, that they were, they were just so well liked and admired by everyone. You can see in this picture that kind of defines them. They're always smiling, they're always laughing. So it's really just unbelievable and shocking to all of us when we found out. I still, a week later, it still doesn't feel real. I can't believe I'm like here talking about this.

Ashley Banfield (45:03)

And so I kind of went on a different tack when he said that to me. But now, yet again, unconfirmed report bouncing around the Internet, not from an official source, may come out later, maybe disproven. There's this report that Monique may have been afraid of Dr. Michael McKee, her ex, which would be just amazing given that many years that had passed. But I can tell you I've done a lot of volunteer work at women's shelters and they have to, they're almost like prisons because of the, the length abusive men will go to get at that woman. If I can't have her, no one can think O.J. you know, and so five years, 10 years may have been a blip in his life. He may never have quit her. If he's the killer again, he's innocent until proven guilty. He isn't even arraigned yet. So there are a lot of things that that police are doing. And by the way, I'm only halfway through. I have a list a mile long that I am going to bring to you in the coming days. But I first want to get to this arraignment. I want to hear anything that they may have tomorrow when he shows up in court. I can't wait to see him, just what he looks like. Because oftentimes it's a little bit telling. I can tell you that Rob Reiner's son, Nick, is just a shadow of his former self. He looks like an entirely different person than he did just a few years ago. Like he has just physically transformed and not for the better. And that may be the situation with Dr. McKee as well. I've been looking at a lot of before and after pictures, and this guy does not look the same at all. Look, he's 10 years older than a lot of these pictures, and none of us looks as good ten years later. But this is a profound change in how he looks. So who knows if there's some kind of mental illness that Dr. McKee is suffering, if he's the killer, 100% there is, because nobody does that with being without being sick in some way. But if he's not the killer, again, full innocence until proven guilty. But I keep coming back to this. Why the fuck would anyone do this? Why would anyone with such a promising life, someone who has invested so much, 10 to 15 years of college, if he did the fast track, it would have been, I think, 12 or 13, if you did the long track to become, you know, a vascular surgeon, 15. Why would anyone who's that learned, who's that skilled, who's committed to saving lives, who's committed to making the world better, who took an oath, do no harm, right? That's what doctors do, do no harm. Why? How? If it's him, how could he have gotten to this point? How could he have done this? How could he have decided even in the long drive there was there not a point if he did it, that he thought, what the fuck am I doing? And I think that is one of the reasons why we are all obsessed, completely obsessed with this true crime. Anyway, lots more coming in the next few days. Make sure you subscribe. I don't want you to miss all my other next theories and investigative techniques and all the little things that are definitely coming in this case. I'm going to stay with this case every day. So make sure again, get on the list and by the way, join the membership because I'm going to do some extras for the members as well. A couple of other cases that I've done that those little things that I was telling you about were the actual lynchpin to the arrest and the conviction. As always, I say thank you for being here so much. I appreciate you. I'm Ashley Banfield and remember, the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead serious.

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