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Unhinged Ex-Husband? Every Clue & Everything We Know About Ohio Dentist Murders | Dr. Michael McKee
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Ashley Banfield
Hey everybody, I'm Ashley Banfield and this is drop dead serious. And I know this is not normally where you see me. I am traveling. Can you guess where I am? I know it looks like a ski place. You got that right. I'm actually in Vermont because it's one of my favorite things to do. I have been skiing since I was a little one and so I ski all the time and so you probably will see this backdrop a lot more. But I had to stop down and get to you about the Spencer and Monique Tepe murders because I'm obsessed. I. I don't know how you feel about this, but I'm absolutely obsessed with every single detail that's coming out of this case. And I have a lot of new stuff to tell you tonight. If you saw my last episode, you saw that it was filled with information and thank you. If you were watching, I think we're somewhere around 800,000 or 750,000 people, so I really appreciate that. But I'm going to get a lot of information, so please get comfy. I do want to show you this Christmas gift that I got from my Banfield show executive producer Jessica. It says baking because murder is wrong. So it's here in Vermont. I'M going to be drinking this like, latte while we're doing this. But I do want to say that there has been a lot of new information on the case, so let's just get going. A stunning arrest to start with in the murders of Spencer Tepe and Monique Tepe. Suddenly this case feels very different than it did going into the weekend. Right? Dr. Michael McKee, that's who they arrested. It is Monique's ex husband. He is a vascular surgeon. I've already talked in the past about the amount of education and years in university that it take to become a vascular surgeon. Upwards of 15. So if he's guilty of this, what a waste. How to throw your entire life away and do the most horrifying thing, to orphan two little children and destroy countless lives around. Monique and Spencer Tepe, take their lives away in such a brutal, heinous, atrocious and cruel way. Say those words specifically. But Dr. McKee weirdly has no criminal history, no record. I was expecting something else. If you're going to arrest a guy who's going to pump bullets into a man and wife in their bedroom and leave two little children behind, I would expect there's something else going on. Right. No criminal history. Multiple reports show that he is a licensed surgeon in both Illinois and California and also had a license in Nevada. And if you want to catch up on all of the arrest details and my full breakdown of Dr. Michael McKee and his relationship with Mo, their marriage and everything else, I'm linking my last episode in the description here. And there's also a playlist if you want to get completely, you know, caught up in the case. From soup to nuts. But since Dr. McKee was arrested yesterday, and I'm taping this on January 11th, Sunday, January 11th. So shitty Saturday for Dr. McKee when they came and cuffed them. And since then, we have a lot more information to sit with. We've got new details, new clues, a timeline that starts to come into focus, and then a couple of other ideas as to where this investigation and prosecution may be zagging and zigging as they get ready for what will be probably a pretty sensational case. Is it Idaho? Is it the Idaho quadruple murders? I don't know. It sure felt like it. Like, who does that? This is the question that has us all obsessed. Who does this? Who comes into someone's happy home, a family of four, and then just destroy. Just torpedoes life, right? Just destroys everything, Ruins that family, murders these people, terrorizes them. Because I don't care how long it took before they saw the gunman and died. There is terror. It could have been a split second, it could have been hours. I'm going to get to that because I have a theory about the possibility that this could have been ours. If this is him, if he did this, then there's an absolute screw loose. And maybe there was more terror that was exacted on this couple before they were killed. But let me start from the beginning, okay? And how police nabbed this guy to begin with. Because in a moment I'm going to run down a lot of what's been going on behind the scenes and how they're likely going to build this case against the doctor. Investigating investigators reviewed surveillance footage from all around the Tepe home, that whole neighborhood, and then some. And they spotted a vehicle that arrived just before the shootings and left shortly after. And let's not forget this was kind of an Idaho timing, right? It was the middle of the night and so there's not a lot of vehicle traffic. It was a horrible night, weather wise, cold and icy, maybe not so much traffic out, you know, between 2 and 5 in the morning. So a little easier to spot a car, you know, like a white Elantra in Idaho. A little easy to see that thing. There weren't any other cars on the road. My suspicion is that's sort of what the situation was here as well. And they followed that effing vehicle. They, you know, today don't think you can get away with crime. Everybody don't. I think most of you know that. But just about everybody has a ring cam. Just about every corner has a camera and they can track you all the way to Timbuktu. That's what they did here. They identified that vehicle near the Tepe home and then they tracked it and connected it all the way Back to Michael McKee. They found the same vehicle in Rockford, Illinois. Wouldn't you know it, whatever was in the vehicle connected to Dr. Michael McKee. So in the full arrest warrant, investigators list the offense as 3:52am so I'm like, wait, how do you know down to the minute? 3:52. So the only things that are going through my mind when it comes to nailing down the minute, instead of a window, like, you know, sometimes you just have a window. Like with Bryan Coburger, they had a 20 minute window, right? They figured he was in that house all that time, but they don't know exactly when everybody was killed. But this is 3:52am So I go back to the ring cam on their Home. I also go back to the possibility that they had cameras in the home. It's possible, right? Look, all the lights are off. It's the middle of the night. So maybe you couldn't see who was on the camera, but maybe there were cameras that caught motion sensitivity also. Think about this. They have a 17 month old and they've got a four year old. The 17 month old very likely had a nanny cam in that room. Maybe even the four year old, right? Baby monitors, like there's all sorts of stuff that could have registered that. Do you know what else could have registered that? The noise. Whenever you wear a fitness monitor or a sleep monitor and you're abruptly awakened, that's going to register. So it's possible that, you know, Spencer and Mo might have health monitors. Maybe they were, you know, jarred into some kind of a health alert by waking up or being terrified or being shot. Those health monitors also show when your heart stops, if they're wearing them. I know in a lot of cases I speculated as to whether, you know, they have a health monitor and a lot of these victims do, but they just weren't wearing them at the time. So my husband wears a health monitor to bed and he tracks his sleep. So it's possible that the, the police actually can track all of that. So a lot of opportunities and then that ring cam, right. I don't know that he was out front, but there's also like, I know that I have a security system and every window is monitored, right? Like alarms go off with every single window up, down, all over. And that could be a silent alarm. If something broke, if anything happened, if anything was open, it's not forceful, but it tracks. So there's lots of ways that they maybe could have tracked the time. But it's very helpful for a prosecution to know exactly when. So jump ahead a bit. Dr. Michael McKee was arrested early Saturday, January 10th in Illinois. He's being held right now on an out of state warrant for two counts of murder. And I'm just going to go ahead and assume in Ohio they're going to call it first degree murder. In some states like Texas, if you have more than one victim, they call it capital murder and it makes you eligible for the death penalty. But other things that make you eligible for the death penalties, if you kill a child, if you are heinous, atrocious and cruel in the manner in which the killing is carried out, if there's terrorizing involved, there's all sorts of different attributes that different states give to a murder. To either pump it up to death penalty eligible or a capital offense. So let's just wait because that's getting ahead of my skis. But I guess, you know, if I were a betting man, this is going to be first degree death penalty eligible. Ohio does have a moratorium on the death penalty, as many states do, but it doesn't stop them from prosecutions, right? Doesn't stop them from actually getting a death penalty conviction. Because if that moratorium lifts, well, then you go off to death row, you know, and wait your turn through all your appeals. And the other thing to think about is that when you're in big cities, typically big cities have more liberal jury pools and finding death qualified jurors little harder, not impossible. Also, when something is this media explosive, oftentimes prosecutors will look to change the venue just because there's just so much passion and you know, such an outroar in, uproar in the, in the city itself. Like the Casey Anthony trial. That was a weird one. It was high profile. I mean, the headlines said America's most hated mom, right? But they did something unique way for Casey's trial. They didn't move the jurisdiction. They actually moved to another place and got jurors in Pinellas County. They picked jurors from Pinellas county and then they traveled them in to Orlando for the trial in the courthouse there. So look, there's just all sorts of permutations and combinations in how you can try someone and try to get a fair jury when it's high profile. And they also go to gag orders. You know how I feel about that. Don't get me started. That may happen in this case. Let's just all cross our fingers and like say woo. Saw that it won't. But again, subscribe. You'll know if there's a gag order. And we still get stuff anyway, right? Because the gag order just means that officers of the court can't speak. It doesn't mean that our first amendment rights are taken away or people who are friends in, you know, connected to the case in any way. That's how journalists usually find information after the courts shut us down and police shut us down. So anyway, it's possible that this could be death penalty. Again, way too early. The guy hasn't even made a court appearance. But that is expected to happen Monday morning, January 12th. Cannot wait. But here I am, Sunday night, January 11th, and I can tell you this. Family and friends all got together today and they had a visitation in Upper Arlington. After the visitation, they had a celebration of life At a place called Do Amici in downtown Columbus. I don't know if, you know, Mo and Spencer are Catholic or if they wanted open coffins. I do know that since Mo was shot in the chest, she would be able to have an open coffin because you could cover that. I do not know about where the gunshots landed in Spencer. There were multiple and there were three shell casings. So I was guessing that there were two shots to Spencer, one shot to Mo. But I don't know if this, you know, killer, whoever it is, if it's the person they arrested or not, collected some shell casings on the way out. I don't know that yet. So this is very sad to report as well. All of it is sad. But today in particular, the family of Spencer and Minique Tepe shared a statement on the arrest of Michael McKee. Dr. Michael McKee. They thanked law enforcement, they thanked the community for tireless work in solving this crime. Allegedly. And this is the quote, okay? As the case proceeds, we trust the justice system to hold the person responsible fully accountable. Monique and Spencer remain at the center of our hearts, and we carry forward their love as we surround and protect the two children they leave behind. We will continue to honor their lives and the light they brought into this world. God, that's just. I can't even imagine writing it, releasing it, living it. There's also something else I want to share with you. We received a lot of comments and one phone call. Thank you, whoever you were who called. You watched the podcast. You tracked down a number for someone connected to me who forwarded your message, but you didn't leave your name. But thank you for your information. A lot of you commented on that last episode that was on this case about the body cam video, the one that showed the officer responding to the wellness check and going to the wrong house. I had put, you know, pieces of the picture, you know, and the puzzle together with photos of the street counting up from the Tepes house, their address. Odd side of the street found a house that looked just like the one on the body cam, but it was not the house. And I said, this isn't even the street. They. This cop didn't even get the street right. And as it turns out, you guys who commented and the caller. Thank you. You were right. The cop went to 1417 Summit Street. What? Summit street doesn't even sound like North 4th, right? 1417 Summit Street. Mo and Spencer Tepe lived at 1411 North 4th. And so 17 would have been three houses up. And three houses up was an Older house, one with a staircase on the right and a porch. And that was not what this cop responded to, which was why we all came to the same conclusion. And now we know. Thank you for those of you who crowdsourced that. So now I just want to talk to you a little bit about going forward in this case because there's a lot the police are doing quietly right now to continue the investigation. You don't make an arrest until you have enough for probable cause. Right. But also you want to have enough in case the accused chooses to exercise his or her right to a speedy trial. It's your constitutional right in America to say, you think you got me? Prove it. And prove it in this short window. You can't hold me forever. Go ahead and prove it. You have the right. It's called the right to a speedy trial. You can waive it. Now, why would you, you know, why wouldn't you say, oh, you think you got me in like 11 days? Couple of reasons. First of all, this guy doesn't even know what the cops have on him, and neither will whatever lawyer he's going to get. P S. I'm going to tell you a little bit more about the lawyer in a moment, but because it's important and it's different than the average bear. But the lawyer's not going to know about discovery for a while. They're not going to know what the cops have on him. And at this point, if he thinks he's covered his bases so well, he could say, we're so early in this case, I don't even think you have enough. I think you only have probable cause. But that a jury's going to say, it's not enough for me to leap towards first degree murder, it's like a parlor game, right? But if you know that you screwed up and you know that they've got a fair bit on you, then you're going to opt for more time because you and your lawyer are going to have to do a Everest climb to get past what the cops have on you. And that's going to take teams and teams of people or researchers or junior analysts in law firm to help find things that can help give just a little bit of reasonable doubt, especially if it's death penalty. Because sometimes you're just looking at saving the guy's life and not even finding him, you know, not guilty. But so the right to a speedy trial, that's going to be a parlor game for this guy. It's all in his court, right? It's all in the defendant's court. I think he's probably not going to, you know, exercise the right to a speedy trial. I think they've got a lot. You get someone in 11 days, you got a lot. But that brings me to what they're doing now, because even though they have him, they don't have it all. You can't have it all in 11 days. You need to get so much more evidence, right? And, you know, it's really interesting how juries work. They can usually, you know, cast one thing off as a coincidence. They can usually say, like, yeah, well, but, you know, it could have been this or something else. But once you start lining up all the coinky dinks, it gets a little harder to say, well, that's like eight coincidences now. Okay, that's 10 coincidence. Oh, God, that's like 20 coincidences. It's starting to be a little more reasonable that these aren't coincidences. So that's why the investigators are going to, like, grab every little effing piece of evidence they can. It's also why they tell you no piece of information is too small. It can be tiny. But in a big pile of stuff, it can be huge. It can be tiny and lead to something very, very big. Right?
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Ashley Banfield
Just talk about whatever the killer was wearing that night on his feet, okay? Because if this is Dr. McKee, they are going to be looking at any footprints in the snow all around the house and in the area. Footprints in the snow and ice, okay? Compromised by the 911 callers who came to do the welfare check because the police got it wrong. If the police had gone to the.
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Ashley Banfield
Then they would have likely found the tepes and walled that off, and nobody would have gotten in there except the killer and the cops. And so any footprints in the snow around the house and in that alley and out the garage, in the backyard and everything, they would match the, you know, the boot print or the footprints, the treads on the bottom of a shoe. They would try to match it to anything they could find in Dr. McKee's apartment. So they will be going through every single piece of footwear in Dr. McKee's apartment, in his weekend house, wherever he has a girlfriend, maybe, or whatever, they will try to get any piece of footwear to see if Dr. McKee's matches whatever they might find in the snow. But then his defense attorney will. Will say, yeah, but look at all these people that came to the house and stomped all over the place. That's one of the reasons it was such a frustrating thing to hear, that the cops got it wrong. Let's move on with the footprints, though, because footprints aren't just in snow. Sometimes they're in muck and dirt. I know it was super cold and frozen, so that's a little less likely. But not impossible. Not impossible. You can get a footprint in some sand or loose dirt. If that's around the home, in the backyard and the alleyway as well, that's possible. And guess where else you can get a footprint in carpet. So it's possible there might be a footprint in some carpet in the tepe home. And if that footprint matches any footwear that they get from Dr. McKee's home, well, there's another piece right there. Is it perfect on its own? No, there's lots of reasonable doubt in that. But it's one more piece, and we're just going to build it as we go. Don't go anywhere because there's a lot of this coming. I also want to tell you one more thing. In those feet, the killer's feet all over the house of Monique and Spencer and the babies, killer's feet are picking up things, right? Fibers, carpet, DNA, touch DNA. And then heading back home and Maybe walking over their carpets at home or their car. Right. And maybe that material is still on the actual footwear. So there's a lot that can happen with footwear. You know, not just footprints, but also whatever's on it. Any kind of dirt stuck in the treads of those feet, those shoes that could have been taken home. So if there's a unique type of dirt around the Tepes home, or the kind of gravel that they have, the color of gravel, and it's lodged in a tread or anything like that, and they find a shoe in the apartment of Dr. McKee, that is also another phenomenal clue. And I have seen that lead to convictions in the past. So that's really interesting stuff. Let's now talk about one other super interesting point of reference for evidence, the kids. I have talked about this at length in another podcast. Again, just check back at my playlist and the link in the description here. But these are little kids, right? 17 months and 4 years old. The 17 month old child can say a few things, right? The four year old can say a lot of things. And there is no way in hell any child isn't going to wake up with multiple gunshots going off in a house. So it is likely those kids woke up. They might be able to tell police and investigators something. I just went to bed. I was still awake. It was just after story time or I was dead asleep. Whatever it is, they'll be able to help with timelines, help with everything. They may have heard some things. They may have heard someone yell. What if Mo yelled Michael? No. What if the four year old heard that? What if. That is unbelievable evidence. I mean, okay, Michael's a common name, but again, add it to the next piece of the. We're building the mountain of evidence. Okay, Just build it, right? The fibers on the shoe, not enough. But Michael, No. Okay, what if they heard mom and dad both yelling, don't stop it. No, no. Right? Then they know that there was an issue, maybe a fight. Right? What if the kids heard mommy and daddy go downstairs and let somebody into the house? Okay, I mentioned this at the top of the podcast and I want to bring it up now. I've been trying to figure out for the life of me how this guy got into their house. There's no signs of forced entry. Okay, maybe a basement window was left open. Lots of people are bad about their windows. No signs of forced entry. Did he get in because he rang the doorbell and Mo came down in the middle of the night saying, michael, what are you doing here? You know, and then in he comes again. He's innocent until proven guilty. This is a parlor game only. And then my mind went to someone who's sick enough to murder two parents and leave their children alone, orphaned in that house, is sick enough to play the twisted torture game, right? To mentally traumatize these two. If he's jilted and he's been seething for over half a decade, I wouldn't put it past somebody, somebody capable of a double murder like this is totally capable of doing the horrible things that you see in movies, right? The demented mind, the tortured, twisted mind. The Golden Gate killer rapist would torment his victims, torment them, go and get food out of their fridge while they were tied up after he'd raped them. I mean, he did horrible things. And so I'm not going to put it past a killer to possibly do this. And if Mo let him into the house, and if it is Dr. Michael McKee, it's possible that he was there for a while. The kids might have heard this. The kids might have heard it. These are the things that they might be able to give to the police. Now, I'm going to tell you about some unconfirmed reports you may see bouncing around the Internet right now. I want to make sure you know, they are unconfirmed. There is some school of thought that this killer took steps to protect the children from finding their parents in a bloodbath. How kind. I don't know that that's true, but I think, you know, as the case progresses, we'll find out if that's true. If that's the case, I would find it hard. Like how would you stop a 4 year old? 4 year olds can get out of their room. They can even get over a gate. And I used to put gates up against my children's doors so that they wouldn't fall down the stairs in the middle of the night or do something dangerous. But a four year old's pretty crafty, you know, and they're usually a little taller. I don't know if the killer was able to lock the bedroom door after the murders, but the 911 caller was able to see. So I'm not exactly sure about the validity veracity of that report, but it's just bouncing around the Internet. Unconfirmed. Okay, let's talk about a whole other area. And I'm grabbing the latte with the baking because murder's wrong because this is long. So electronics. I know you've heard this a million times before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all look at the electronics and murders. But I'm going to break down a couple you may not know about. The telephone. Yeah, that's an easy one. Brian Coburger shut his off as he's driving to kill these kids and then turns it back on as he's driving into his, you know, apartment. What an idiot. But cell phones are amazing things, even when they're turned off, because it's interesting when they're turned off. And when they're turned on, as in Idaho, it's also interesting to see what his phone has done right, in the last several days, weeks, months. Has that phone taken him, like Bryan Coburger did, to the victim's house to stalk, to drive by, to park and watch in the middle of the night? Because the phone, most people wouldn't think of it. If you're not committing a crime, you're just driving around, you know, a killer might not think about that. So the electronics that are seized from the home of Dr. Michael McKee will hopefully provide a wealth. He's a smart guy, right? He's been to, you know, decade and a half of college and university, so he's a smart guy. But I'm telling you, some of the smartest people are idiots. You know, Brian Coburger was a criminology PhD program and he screwed up. So I wouldn't put it past this killer, even if it is Dr. McKee to have fucked up royally. And I hope so. I hope that his phone shows him doing all sorts of things that are yet again building the mountain. Let's talk about a laptop or an iPad. What are you doing on the laptop? What are you doing on the iPad? You know, are you checking into their LinkedIns? Are you checking into their social media sites? Are you cyber stalking them? Because that'll be again, it's not evidence of murder, but it just tells you one more thing on the mountain, right? Gaming devices. This is kind of new. Gaming devices are communication devices. And not many people talk about was there any communication going on in gaming. That'll be something they can look at if he's a gamer and if he's got gaming devices in his home or wherever he hangs his hat. Apple watches. I mentioned this before, your Apple watch is not your friend if you're a killer. If this guy's wearing an Apple watch or a fitness tracker, it is a frickin popcorn trail, right? It will show you oftentimes where you've been, where you've gone, when your anxiety is elevated, your heart rate, your heartbeat. So that can be two different things. I told you, it could have been Monique and Sensor, you know, terrified and then dying and their hearts stopping. But it could also be the killer because I don't care who you are, especially if you're not a seasoned killer, you are freaking out. If you're pumping bullets into people, you are raging inside, right? And you are terrified and your, your blood is pumping, your heart is beating and your fitness tracker is showing all of this that. What time was it? 3:52am Yeah, 3:52am Not a normal time to be freaking the fuck out on your fitness tracker or your Apple watch. So those are all really, really good things. Also, I don't know if you know this, but your Apple watch has fitness tracker on it that tells you how long you've been standing and how many steps you've been taking. Right? So if you're standing and walking at 3:52am Again, does it prove that you're doing that at the murder scene? No. One more piece of the puzzle on the mountain. Okay. Also tells you when you're awake and when you've gone to sleep. So if you finally, again, allegedly, if it's Dr. McKee, if he's made his way back to Rockford, Illinois and then to Chicago where he lives, when did he finally go to bed that night? So all of that is going to be so informational if he has the fitness tracker and the Apple watch, if he was wearing it. So there's also the geolocation issues, right? All these things say where you're going, what you're doing. Your car tells you where you're going, what you're doing. There are so many different apps that say where you're going, right? I have ways and it tells me everything, right. I also have Google Maps and it lays a popcorn trail of everywhere I've been. And if that as well as the car is near the Tepe home. I mean, pretty hard to explain that away at 3:52 in the morning, right? Especially with all this other evidence. If there is any. Also, did any of the geolocating take Dr. McKee to Moe's workplace or Spencer's workplace, was there digital evidence of stalking? And again, all of this, all of these digital things. Not only that, handshakes. There are digital handshakes that are made all the time. You know, if I'm out roaming and trying to find Wi Fi, I'm. I'm shaking and checking in with a lot of different places. And so that could have happened at the Tepe home as well. It could have happened to Places near the TEPE home. So many things that killers don't think of. But your electronic movements that night, as well as all the other nights and days, that's going to tell a very big story about what you were doing prior to this killing, if in fact you're the killer. Dr. McKee, license plate readers, most people don't even think of it. And your toll tag, that got Melanie McGuire. But your toll tag tells you where you're driving. And license plate readers see you and record you. And that's quite a drive, you know, heading from Chicago. That's where Dr. McKee lives in that beautiful apartment overlooking Lake Michigan. At least a half million dollars, right? It was a beautiful place, really upscale building. Which, by the way, his neighbor said, he's delightful. And we've had all these great conversations. I could never imagine him doing this. I've seen him out at the pool and the barbecue. I've had great conversations. Of course she couldn't imagine him doing this. He's got no criminal record. He's a freaking vascular surgeon. That's not the neighbor you expect is going to do this. Right. Which will also help his defense lawyer marginally. But you know, those license plate readers will pick you up all the way. Along the way. Let's also talk about fuel purchases. Look, the average bear is not going to stop and make a fuel purchase in the middle of a murder. Jodi Arias was smart enough not to, however, not smart enough to realize when you have fuel tanks in your trunk, you know, jerry cans in your trunk that people see and know about, that's going to give you away. But it's a fair drive. You know, maybe he had to stop to make a fuel purchase. Maybe he's at a convenience store along the way. That all registers. Okay. Another really important aspect to the psychology after a killing, reaching out to surviving family members. I covered a case of a girl in Massachusetts named Michelle Carter who convinced her friend to kill himself. She was brought up on charges and convicted. And one of the things that she did afterwards was she ingratiated herself with his family. It was so sick to see what Michelle Carter did with the victim's mom. Oh, my goodness. What can I do to help? Oh, my God. I'm so close to him. This is so heart wrenching. Can I help with the funeral? Can I do a fundraiser? Sometimes killers come in close to the surviving family members and they want to be a part of it. They want to be helpful, they want to communicate, they want to ask. Any leads, anything. Mo's parents, even Spencer's parents, you know, or Mo's siblings, if she's got any Spencer siblings. I mean, this is what a lot of killers will do. I'm not saying that this killer did it, and I don't know if Dr. McKee did it. I don't know if he's the killer. But it's the kind of up behavior that a lot of these people do. So it will be fascinating to find out if that happened. And I'm going to give you another unconfirmed report that's bouncing all around the Internet. And again, nothing to prove this yet. There are some reports that he may have been abusive and that he did not want a divorce. I have not proven that yet. That has not come from official, you know, portals yet. Not from the police, not from family, not from people in the know. It's just sort of bouncing around out there. But, wow, that would fit a profile, though, wouldn't it? Abusive husbands, you know, often kill. And I just can't figure this one out because they are like 10 years since they married, and the marriage lasted seven months. They were separated after seven months. This has been a decade. And okay, Spencer came into Mo's life like five years ago, and then I'm sure that, you know, the kids followed four years ago and two years ago. And there would have been a lot of social media and visuals and, you know, the brother in law videotaped that wedding and did such a beautiful job. And I'm sure that was all over social media and maybe that just, just got into the DNA maybe of Dr. McKee if he's the killer. But holy shit, did that seethe for a long time if that's the case. So I'm really curious about any conversations that police may have had with Dr. McKee way before arresting him, because I sense they would have reached out.
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Ashley Banfield
One of the first things you do is reach out to an ex in a murder like this, right? Like, who kills a man and a woman? Do they have any exes, exes, ex husbands or boyfriends or girlfriends? Like, they reach out and so, yeah, Mo had an ex husband. So my suspicion is that they would have reached out. Was he trying to be helpful to the police? Like, that's another kind of really fucked up kind of psychology, you know? Officers, thank you for coming. I'm devastated. Is there anything I can do to help? This is incredible. Like, oh, who could have done this? Let me go through my contact list for you. Let me do all. I have covered so many of these. And a lot of times the killer will do this if the killer's connected in some way. So that kind of psychology is going on here. So I'd be really curious to find out if the police talked to him and if he was trying to be helpful. But then I'm even more interested to find out if he talked after getting arrested. I'm going to get to that in just a moment. But I will say this once again. Unconfirmed report bouncing around the Internet does not come from official sources. But, you know, sometimes these unconfirmed reports actually do bear out. There is some talk that he gave the police an alibi, so that would suggest that he spoke with them. And I fully believe the police spoke with him within the 11 days before they came to him and arrested him. But there is this unconfirmed report that, that he spoke to the police, that he gave them an alibi that was a lie, saying that he was in Illinois when this happened. Okay, well, that's kind of the whole ball of Wax right there. If you give an alibi to the police and you say you were in Illinois and suddenly all your shit puts you in Ohio, all those things I told you about that I've been building to now, like, I don't have to go back over the list, right? I don't. All those things. If those things put you in Ohio and you told the police you were in Illinois, that really bodes poorly. It also gets you aligned to the police charge. Casey Anthony got one of those, you know, or obstructing the investigation. Those happen, you know, those are charges. You can be held on those for quite a long time before even murder. No sense here. He's up on murder. But does it prove you the killer? No. Because as a defense lawyer, certainly you could say, oh, my client was terrified. He's seen police come to his house, he's an ex husband in a double murder. He's like, I don't want to get anywhere near this. I'm just going to tell them I was just in Illinois the whole time. Right, but if you were in Ohio, forget about it. Forget about it. It's kind of a linchpin, right? One other thing that I think investigators are doing right now is literally going from this center of the concentric circle of Monique and Spencer's life and moving out into all the ripples. Everybody who knew them, everybody who loved them, everybody who was close to them, everybody who they might have shared personal information with. Because what they're going to be looking for is acrimony. Was there something going on with Dr. Michael McKee? Was he constantly pestering Monique about something? Was he arguing with her? Were there phone calls to me where there'd be shouting and. Or Monique, was she telling her friends, family, co workers, I can't shake this guy. He's so like obsessed with me. And he's like, mean and he's nasty and he makes all these crappy comments and he like comments on my Instagram like, ew, your kid's ugly, whatever, right? Like those nasty, nasty things. So I think they're going to be looking for some kind of evidence of the possibility that Dr. Michael McKee may have been like hung up on her in a not healthy, angry way. I find it weird that when I spoke with the children's uncle, the brother in law on Spencer's side, I asked him the question, is there anyone you can think of that might have wanted them dead? And he's like, no, there's just nothing. It didn't dawn on him that MO had an ex Husband who was a problem, like he didn't bring that up. And I can see someone not bringing that up because I'm about to go and accuse some guy of a double murder. But you might have said something like, well, there's someone in Mo's life who's been difficult lately, but I can't imagine murder like you might say that. But this brother in law said no, absolutely not. Have you learned anything new tonight about who this potential person of interest might be?
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Rob Reiner or Family Member
No, unfortunately I know just as much as the next person. I was told by a reporter about 10 minutes before this got posted that it was released by the police department. And when I first saw it, yeah, I do think suspicious looking person there. It also very well could be somebody walking home drunk from a bar. But it's evidence nonetheless that hasn't been released until now. And it's good that they're kind of progressing through this.
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Ashley Banfield
And this is right between 2am and 5am, which is the window. They say they believe that the shootings happened. Rob, do you or your family members have any idea who might have been capable of doing this? Did your family have any enemies? Did Spencer and Monique have any enemies at all that are known?
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Rob Reiner or Family Member
Not, you know, not that I can speak on or know of. I know that they've had this massive community around him, that they were, they were just so well liked and admired by everyone. You can see in this picture that kind of defines them. They're always smiling, they're always laughing. So it's really just unbelievable and shocking to all of us when we found out. I still, a week later, it still doesn't feel real. I can't believe I'm like here talking about this.
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Ashley Banfield
And so I kind of went on a different tack when he said that to me. But now, yet again, unconfirmed report bouncing around the Internet, not from an official source, may come out later, maybe disproven. There's this report that Monique may have been afraid of Dr. Michael McKee, her ex, which would be just amazing given that many years that had passed. But I can tell you I've done a lot of volunteer work at women's shelters and they have to, they're almost like prisons because of the, the length abusive men will go to get at that woman. If I can't have her, no one can think O.J. you know, and so five years, 10 years may have been a blip in his life. He may never have quit her. If he's the killer again, he's innocent until proven guilty. He isn't even arraigned yet. So there are a lot of things that that police are doing. And by the way, I'm only halfway through. I have a list a mile long that I am going to bring to you in the coming days. But I first want to get to this arraignment. I want to hear anything that they may have tomorrow when he shows up in court. I can't wait to see him, just what he looks like. Because oftentimes it's a little bit telling. I can tell you that Rob Reiner's son, Nick, is just a shadow of his former self. He looks like an entirely different person than he did just a few years ago. Like he has just physically transformed and not for the better. And that may be the situation with Dr. McKee as well. I've been looking at a lot of before and after pictures, and this guy does not look the same at all. Look, he's 10 years older than a lot of these pictures, and none of us looks as good ten years later. But this is a profound change in how he looks. So who knows if there's some kind of mental illness that Dr. McKee is suffering, if he's the killer, 100% there is, because nobody does that with being without being sick in some way. But if he's not the killer, again, full innocence until proven guilty. But I keep coming back to this. Why the fuck would anyone do this? Why would anyone with such a promising life, someone who has invested so much, 10 to 15 years of college, if he did the fast track, it would have been, I think, 12 or 13, if you did the long track to become, you know, a vascular surgeon, 15. Why would anyone who's that learned, who's that skilled, who's committed to saving lives, who's committed to making the world better, who took an oath, do no harm, right? That's what doctors do, do no harm. Why? How? If it's him, how could he have gotten to this point? How could he have done this? How could he have decided even in the long drive there was there not a point if he did it, that he thought, what the fuck am I doing? And I think that is one of the reasons why we are all obsessed, completely obsessed with this true crime. Anyway, lots more coming in the next few days. Make sure you subscribe. I don't want you to miss all my other next theories and investigative techniques and all the little things that are definitely coming in this case. I'm going to stay with this case every day. So make sure again, get on the list and by the way, join the membership because I'm going to do some extras for the members as well. A couple of other cases that I've done that those little things that I was telling you about were the actual lynchpin to the arrest and the conviction. As always, I say thank you for being here so much. I appreciate you. I'm Ashley Banfield and remember, the truth isn't just serious, it's drop dead serious.
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