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Episode: Ali Abunimah on the State of the Gaza “Ceasefire”
Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Jeremy Scahill
Guest: Ali Abunimah (Executive Director, Electronic Intifada)
Episode Overview
This episode features a candid and in-depth discussion between Jeremy Scahill and Ali Abunimah focusing on the so-called ceasefire in Gaza, the ongoing violations by Israel, the realities of prisoner exchanges, the humanitarian crisis, and the broader struggle of the Palestinian people. The conversation critically examines Western media narratives, the politics of prisoner releases, disarmament, and the complexities of restoring Gaza's civil order. Throughout, both speakers maintain a stark, urgent tone, foregrounding their long-term experience and deep connections to the issues.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. The Reality of the Gaza “Ceasefire”
(01:28 – 10:12)
- Jeremy Scahill opens by challenging the framing of the ceasefire, noting that Israel continues to violate the agreement, especially regarding the delivery of life-essential supplies (food, medicine, fuel).
- Scahill describes the blockade imposed after Israel broke the previous January deal, denying all aid and inducing famine as a form of collective punishment:
“This withholding of aid, this blockade, of course, was a very clear war crime intended to collectively punish the Palestinians of Gaza.” (03:45)
- Discussion of the prisoner exchange: 20 living Israeli captives released by Palestinian resistance in exchange for 1,700+ Palestinians, some forcibly exiled, many returning with accounts of torture.
- Scahill draws a contrast between Western media focus on Israeli captives and the grim reality and lack of attention to returning Palestinian prisoners, many of whom appear emaciated or mutilated.
2. The Issue of Palestinian Political Prisoners
(10:33 – 26:23)
- Ali Abunimah laments the Western indifference to Palestinian detainees:
“They have just completely ignored the 2,000 Palestinians who are released and the many thousands more who are still in Israeli detention.” (11:21)
- Abunimah describes the conditions endured by prisoners—including medical personnel—highlighting ongoing abuse, forced exile, and the prevalence of administrative detention (no charges/trial).
- The conversation explores the roots of the October 7th events, noting one of Hamas's goals—freeing Palestinian prisoners—citing the example of Yahya Sinwar, who was freed in the 2011 Gilad Shalit exchange.
- They detail worsening treatment of prisoners under Israeli Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, with deliberate deprivation and torture predating October 7th.
- Special focus on children subjected to military trials; Israel is singled out as unique for this practice.
3. The Politics and Symbolism of Prisoner Releases
(20:01 – 30:16)
- Dialogue about the complexities of the negotiations, particularly the centrality of high-profile prisoners such as Marwan Barghouti:
"Marwan Barghouti would represent a threat to both Israel and to Hamas." (20:41)
- Abunimah critiques simplistic narratives about Barghouti and warns against imposing external political significance on him:
“There is Marwan Barghouti the man, and there is Marwan Barghouti the symbol... what Marwan Barghouti stands for politically is sort of a blank slate.” (26:30)
- Both agree that bartering over Barghouti's release was a “bridge too far” but lament the limitations and disappointments of the ceasefire negotiations.
4. Disarmament and the Future of Palestinian Armed Resistance
(30:16 – 44:30)
- Israel and its allies’ push for disarmament is analyzed as an impossibility without a comprehensive political resolution:
“If they have some magic formula for disarming and demilitarizing Hamas, why haven't they done it?... Clearly they can't.” (31:18, Abunimah)
- Scahill shares U.S. administration comments acknowledging the complexity:
"It's not realistic to think everyone's just going to walk in, drop their arms and say, there you go." (36:11, quoting a Trump official)
- Abunimah draws parallels with Ireland’s peace process, noting the lack of reciprocity in demands for Palestinian disarmament:
“Why should the Palestinian resistance... have to disarm when they are under occupation, when they are fighting for liberation? Israel should have to disarm.” (38:00)
- Both speakers denounce the “mainstream” European approach: disarmament as a precondition for peace is framed as demanding Palestinian surrender of fundamental rights.
5. The U.S.-Israel-Western Arab Bloc and Palestinian Authority’s Role
(44:30 – 48:35)
- Discussion turns to the “day after” plans, the sidelining and delegitimization of Mahmoud Abbas’s Palestinian Authority, and the recycling of failed Oslo models:
“It's an attempt to revive the Oslo model: Palestinian collaborators willing to sell out their people for privileges and to police their people on behalf of Israel and the U.S. That's it. They have no imagination.” (46:30, Abunimah)
- Consensus that such strategies will not diminish Palestinian resolve for liberation.
6. Law and Order, Collaborators, and “Street Justice” in Post-Ceasefire Gaza
(48:35 – 60:00)
- Scahill clarifies that recent reports of executions and crackdowns in Gaza are being misrepresented in Western media—the reality is both more complex and less exceptional, given the war context.
- Abunimah explains the breakdown of normal governance and the rise of war profiteering, chaos, and the harsh but typical post-conflict “field justice”:
“In an ideal world, this isn’t how it would be done...But the critics of this, for the most part, cheered for the destruction of whatever civil governance structures there were in Gaza.” (53:13)
- Abunimah and Scahill refer to historic parallels (post-WWII Europe) and emphasize the function—not political purging, but an attempt to restore basic order.
7. Sheikh Husni Al Mugni’s Saudi TV Interview
(56:56 – 60:00)
- Scahill reads from a high-profile TV interview with tribal leader Sheikh Husni Al Mugni, who defends summary justice under desperate circumstances.
“There are no functioning courts, no police, no judiciary right now. What exists is field justice.” (Sheikh Al Mugni, read by Scahill, 58:30)
- Both speakers caution against allowing these scenes to be weaponized for further dehumanization of Palestinians and for justifying renewed atrocities.
8. Conclusion: The Struggle Continues
(60:00 – 62:51)
- Abunimah closes with a call for Palestinian self-determination, free from external interference:
“That has to be Palestinians who self-determine and who govern themselves. Not Tony Blair, not the United Arab Emirates sending troops, not Jordan and Egypt, but Palestinians. That’s what this struggle is about.” (60:22)
- He urges listeners to continue activism and vigilance:
“This is far from over... to stay active, to keep up the pressure, not to stop talking about Gaza and justice in Palestine because Israel is on the back foot. They have lost the public relations war, they've lost public opinion. And we have to make sure that they do not get to reimpose their false narratives now.” (61:10)
Notable Quotes & Timestamps
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On the "ceasefire":
“Israel already is continuing its pattern of violating this supposed agreement...” (02:13, Scahill)
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On returning Palestinian prisoners:
“...emaciated, some are in wheelchairs, some have had limbs amputated, some have gone blind...” (05:10, Scahill)
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On the morale and symbolism of political prisoners:
“There is Marwan Barghouti the man, and there is Marwan Barghouti the symbol.” (26:30, Abunimah)
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On Western fixation with Palestinian disarmament:
“They have no imagination. They can't come up with anything new. Because the alternative to recycling all these things is to stop standing in the way of the liberation of the Palestinian people...” (46:34, Abunimah)
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On post-war justice in Gaza:
“What we're not seeing in Gaza is a general campaign of political repression by Hamas or going after its rivals. It does seem to be an attempt to restore law and order, you could say, to go after the war profiteers, the looters, the collaborators.” (54:15, Abunimah)
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On external interference:
“That has to be Palestinians who self-determine and who govern themselves. Not Tony Blair, not the United Arab Emirates sending in troops, not Jordan and Egypt, but Palestinians. That's what this struggle is about.” (60:22, Abunimah)
Major Timestamps
- 01:28: Intro—ceasefire violations and critique of aid framing
- 10:12: Ali Abunimah joins, responds to Western media's focus on Israeli hostages
- 15:55: History of prisoner swaps and Israeli prison abuses
- 26:23: Discussion on Marwan Barghouti's symbolism
- 30:16: Disarmament and peace plan debates
- 44:30: Role of PA, Western and Arab state strategies
- 48:35: Law and order, executions, post-ceasefire Gaza
- 56:56: Sheikh Husni Al Mugni interview; consequences of chaos
- 60:00: Closing thoughts and call to action
- 61:41: Episode wrap-up and credits
Tone:
Urgent, unflinching, deeply informed, and critical of mainstream narratives—reflecting the gravity and complexity of the Gaza situation and Palestinian struggle.
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