Uncle Si & The ‘Blurry Creatures’ Hosts Explore Aliens, Ghosts & Demons

Summary

Duck Call Room: Uncle Si & The ‘Blurry Creatures’ Hosts Explore Aliens, Ghosts & Demons

Release Date: January 16, 2025

In this captivating episode of Duck Call Room, hosts Nate, Luke, Cy, and Martin delve deep into the realms of the paranormal, intertwining biblical narratives with personal experiences and contemporary sightings of aliens, ghosts, and demons. Joined by special guests, including Willie Robertson and Carter, the discussion navigates through mysterious creatures, faith-based interpretations, and the intersection of science and spirituality.

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1. Introduction to the Paranormal Theme

The episode kicks off with the hosts expressing excitement about discussing paranormal phenomena. Luke sets the stage by introducing the special guests, mentioning their interest in hunting elusive creatures in Louisiana.

Luke [01:08]: "We have special guests of the paranormal variety. It's very exciting."

2. Black Panthers and Elusive Creatures

The conversation swiftly moves to sightings of black panthers, with Cy sharing a personal encounter in Texas, highlighting skepticism versus belief in such elusive animals.

Cy [03:37]: "I've seen 17 different shooting stars... just because you haven't seen it with your eyes doesn't mean it don't exist."

Martin emphasizes the controversial nature of black panther sightings within their community.

Martin [04:24]: "That's entry level. There's a lot of weird stuff in the Bible, stuff you won't hear on Sundays."

3. Biblical Insights: Giants and Nephilim

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to biblical references, particularly Genesis 6 and the Nephilim. The hosts discuss how ancient texts describe giants and other supernatural beings, questioning the modern church's reluctance to embrace these narratives.

Nate [06:41]: "These are men that don't want to make up stuff. Cops, hunters, vets—they don't want to talk about these things."

Luke recites Genesis 6:4, propelling the discussion towards the existence of giants like Goliath and Samson's supernatural strength.

Luke [52:02]: "The Nephilim were on earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old men of renown."

4. Personal Paranormal Experiences and UFOs

Cy shares a vivid account of UFO sightings during a duck hunting trip in New Mexico, recounting multiple instances of unexplained lights and objects in the sky.

Cy [09:07]: "We're laying down, got a fire going, and we're looking up in the sky... 17 different shooting stars, burning planets."

Nate discusses how these experiences fuel their podcast, bridging the gap between faith and unexplained phenomena.

Nate [07:10]: "There's a lot of paranormal shows, but there's no biblical paradigm... people aren't willing to have these conversations."

5. Faith, Skepticism, and the Modern Scientific Mindset

The hosts engage in a thoughtful dialogue about the clash between scientific skepticism and faith-based beliefs. Martin highlights how contemporary society's reliance on empirical data often sidelines supernatural explanations.

Martin [24:46]: "There are a lot of dark things out there and how many different species of these things... like the Hat Man."

Cy argues that faith should coexist with unexplained phenomena, urging a broader perspective beyond empirical evidence.

Cy [36:09]: "God wants us to seek him. Common sense will tell you, okay, your perspective, my perspective, his perspective."

6. Miracles and Exorcism

A profound segment focuses on miracles and exorcisms, with Cy recounting his brother’s encounters with demonic presences. The hosts discuss the church's diminishing emphasis on these supernatural interventions and the stigmatization of such experiences.

Cy [42:35]: "They have a problem with Christians... they don't have any experience with it."

Nate underscores the importance of providing a platform for genuine testimonies, differentiating their approach from mainstream media.

Nate [43:07]: "The church historically provided the answers... we're trying to say, hey, there's room in the Bible for all this weird stuff."

7. Cultural Differences in Faith and Supernatural Beliefs

The discussion shifts to how non-Western cultures embrace supernatural realities more openly compared to the Western skepticism fostered by scientific advancement. Martin contrasts missionary experiences in distant lands with the Western reluctance to acknowledge miracles.

Martin [40:11]: "If you go out of the west... they worship this God... tribes convert when miracles happen."

Cy emphasizes that miracles are still occurring but are often hidden or dismissed in the Western paradigm.

Cy [43:26]: "I'm never going to allow you to know it all... cause you gonna get too big for your britches."

8. Conclusion: Integrating Faith with the Paranormal

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the necessity of integrating faith with an open-minded approach to paranormal phenomena. Nate encourages listeners to explore biblical passages like Genesis 6 to gain a deeper understanding of these mysteries.

Nate [52:12]: "These verses are very important. So Genesis 6, give it a look at. Read it with a clear lens."

Luke ends the episode by emphasizing the importance of backup—both in faith and in navigating the unknown.

Luke [50:48]: "It's all about your perspective... back it up."

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Notable Quotes

• Cy [09:07]: "We're laying down, got a fire going... 17 different shooting stars, burning planets."
• Nate [07:10]: "There's no biblical paradigm... people aren't willing to have these conversations."
• Martin [40:12]: "What what we have now... it's a fun time to be alive right now."
• Cy [36:09]: "God wants us to seek him."
• Nate [52:12]: "These verses are very important. So Genesis 6, give it a look at."

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Key Takeaways

• Integration of Faith and the Paranormal: The episode emphasizes the compatibility of biblical narratives with modern paranormal experiences, advocating for a faith-based exploration of unexplained phenomena.

• Challenging Modern Skepticism: Hosts argue that contemporary scientific skepticism limits the understanding of supernatural events and encourage a more open-minded approach rooted in faith.

• Cultural Perspectives on the Supernatural: Contrasting Western and non-Western beliefs, the conversation highlights how different cultures embrace supernatural realities, impacting their faith practices and openness to miracles.

• Importance of Testimonies: The podcast underscores the value of personal testimonies, especially from credible sources like veterans and law enforcement, in validating paranormal claims.

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This episode of Duck Call Room serves as a thought-provoking exploration of the supernatural, blending humor with deep theological insights. It invites listeners to reconsider their perspectives on faith, science, and the unknown, fostering a space where the mystical and the divine intersect.

Transcript

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[Luke]

We're ready. We're rolling.

[Cy]

Okay.

[Luke]

Welcome back.

[Cy]

All right, we got a starting point.

[Luke]

We. We're at a starting point. It's just me and side today of the normal crew. We have a small studio audience, but we have special guests of the paranormal variety.

[Martin]

Hmm.

[Luke]

It's very exciting.

[Cy]

Paranormal? What are you talking about here?

[Luke]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

[Cy]

Paranormal.

[Luke]

We have Willie Robertson, which is.

[Carter]

I'm glad I'm included in the paradox.

[Luke]

Well, it's a strange sighting to see you here.

[Cy]

Well, with the paranormal.

[Luke]

Exactly. And then we have the host of Blurry Creatures, Nate and Luke.

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Thanks, guys.

[Cy]

Blurry creatures.

[Luke]

Blurry Creatures.

[Carter]

Blurry Creatures.

[Luke]

A podcast.

[Cy]

Well, this ought to be fun.

[Luke]

It's about you, probably.

[Cy]

Hey, well, hey, I'm a blurry creature. See?

[Martin]

The blurriest. There you go. That's right.

[Luke]

So we're here in the duck call room. What brings y'all to Louisiana? Just to hang out with us, pretty much. Are y'all hunting something? Well, I have a lot of questions.

[Nate]

We might be. We're always on the lookout.

[Luke]

Always on the lookout.

[Nate]

There's always elusive creatures around. We're always looking.

[Cy]

They're always an alert. Bible even talks about that. Be alert.

[Luke]

The Bible?

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Do you think the Bible was the referring to blurry creatures?

[Cy]

Well, hey, look, all it says is, hey, be alert.

[Luke]

It's a good point.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Cy]

That's for blurry creatures, then. Hey, good for you.

[Martin]

There's a lot of blurry creatures in the Bible.

[Cy]

Is there?

[Martin]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of crazy stuff in there.

[Luke]

I guess in Genesis, there was a. Well, I just started a couple days ago. It's a new year. New Me reading the Bible?

[Carter]

Yeah.

[Martin]

You're like, really?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Strange people.

[Martin]

How's that Bible reading plan going?

[Nate]

There's like lion face men, you got giants. You got all kinds of weird stuff in there we talk about. That's basically what we. Yeah, that's a. That's like half of our show is kind of going back to the Bible and talking about all the weird stuff.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Nate]

So we do that a lot. So if. If. If it's not okay on Sunday morning, it's okay on blurry creatures. That's for sure. Or it's not. It's always okay. I guess at church, it's just more like, how deep do you want to get into it? On Sunday morning? We just.

[Carter]

Sunday mornings when people go to church.

[Cy]

I didn't.

[Carter]

I didn't. I don't know how familiar Johnny D Is with.

[Martin]

Unless there's somebody else.

[Carter]

That's a time where a lot of people dedicate.

[Cy]

Yeah, that's a good point. Y'all made, though. Okay. Because creation. Okay. We haven't even seen but just a little small portion of creation.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Okay. So there's a lot of things that we may have not put these eyeballs on.

[Luke]

Well, let's just get straight to it.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Luke]

But black panthers.

[Cy]

Why?

[Luke]

There's no reason to beat around the bush. It's our thing.

[Cy]

Exist. Size.

[Luke]

Seen one. I saw one in front of Dollar General on Arkansas Road about eight years ago. Do they exist?

[Nate]

Sure.

[Cy]

Not only that, me and Stone had just went to Texas. Okay. And he just said, yeah, I should stop and go cross over to the interstate because there was a big black animal laying in the road on. On the other side. Dead. He said it was a cat.

[Luke]

Did this was last.

[Cy]

May have been. It may have been a big black bobcat or whatever he said. But, hey, you know. So, you know.

[Luke]

And y'all didn't turn around.

[Cy]

Oh, we did.

[Nate]

I feel like. I feel like a black panther's basic blurry. That's just like little.

[Martin]

That's entry level. Yeah.

[Nate]

It's.

[Luke]

You have no idea how much controversy happens in this room and in Yalls family.

[Nate]

Oh, that's nothing like.

[Luke]

Jason Sal almost didn't talk to each other for six years over the fact that Sai saw a black panther.

[Nate]

We were talking about an episode we.

[Martin]

Did, like a low bar for getting.

[Nate]

Along early in ours. There was guys that saw giants in the bayou here down in Louisiana. We were talking about. We interviewed a guy that these fishermen were out. And they're out deep, you know, and they did a campfire. They're in their boat because they're far. You know, they couldn't really get to the shore as much. So they're out on their boat and they see these giant heads looking through the bushes. And the ancient. The ancient giants are supposedly still down here, Louisiana.

[Cy]

The Bible even talks about giants.

[Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

But that was, like, one of the weirder ones. But we've heard they're also on Solomon Islands, But. But they're here, too. They like Afghanistan.

[Martin]

There's a lot of stories out of Afghanistan about giants. Of course, the Kandahar giant's the famous one.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Cy]

What's the island that. That was supposedly?

[Carter]

Fantasy Island.

[Cy]

Fantasy Island? No, not Fantasy Island. It's the island off of.

[Luke]

Off of Never. Neverland.

[Cy]

Well, there was. They said tigers were on it.

[Luke]

And, you know, tigers are a normal thing that everyone agrees on.

[Cy]

Well, no, no. Well, why would they agree on tigers and not on Black panthers?

[Luke]

I've been asking that for years. Martin's not here, so we're in the clear. We have just.

[Cy]

I ain't worried about that. Martin's a biologist, okay? And then, you know. And he should have been born in Missouri because he. Show me. Okay, show me state.

[Martin]

Where did you. Where did you see a black panther?

[Cy]

He studied it and all this. Okay, but unless, you know, that's like, yo, I have trouble with this because, you know, I haven't seen Jesus, but I believe in him, okay? Because just because you haven't seen something, that means you don't believe in it. There's a lot of things you haven't seen. Human being. This is from a company Bumpkin, Okay?

[Martin]

Company Bumpkin, Company.

[Luke]

I'm just glad Willie hired company Bumpkin of Duck Command.

[Cy]

Hey, I'm just saying, yo, there's a lot of things that you haven't seen for you to say I don't believe in.

[Nate]

Yeah, that's a huge part of our show, is that we interview people who have experiences and there's no cameras rolling, and then you hear the same story over and over and over again. There is a part of you that has to have, like, faith and be like, this person's either lying to me or they had this experience. And that happens a lot. And that's kind of what we do, is give people a place to share their paranormal experience, whether they've seen a creature or they've had. There's a lot of demonic stuff that comes on our show. People have really strange.

[Cy]

Oh, no, no, no, no. See, that's where.

[Carter]

Yeah, that's where Cy takes over well.

[Cy]

No, no, that's where I look and say, well, wait a minute, hold it. Everything used to be word of mouth with the human race. You go back in the old days when we move west in wagons pulled by mules and horses. You know, we didn't have telegraph, we didn't have phones, we didn't have all this technology. Okay. At one time it was a very simple life, you know, and everything was done word of mouth. We used to have a pony express that took mail from one state to the other.

[Luke]

That was when you were in your 20s.

[Cy]

Hey, no, yeah, that was in more of my former life.

[Nate]

They stopped in caves and they drew in those. See a lot of that stuff?

[Martin]

Yeah, I mean, like there wasn't writing for a long time in human history. It was all or tradition. So, I mean, you make a point. I think it was a little bit before. A little bit. We were going the westward expansion of the United States.

[Cy]

Everything was told, they was known as storytellers, right?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Everything was handed down by word of mouth. Okay. Yo, well, you know, I've heard panthers, Black Panthers ever since I've been a baby.

[Nate]

Have you seen a UFO? Have you seen any UFOs or anything like that in the sky?

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Nate]

You have? Oh, yeah, here we go.

[Cy]

No, no, serious. That's why I'm saying, when did you see a ufo, huh? Out while we was catfishing.

[Luke]

And we've done this podcast for four years and you've never been like, hey.

[Nate]

That'S why we're here.

[Cy]

I told you I've led an interesting life.

[Luke]

Did they do anything to you?

[Cy]

Well, no, no, no.

[Martin]

How do you guys get anything done?

[Cy]

Hey, here's the deal, though. Listen to the deal.

[Martin]

They don't get anything done.

[Cy]

You'll like this, okay? We're laying down, got a fire going, and we're looking up in the sky as stars, okay? And look, here's something up here. A light going, zip, zoop. I'm talking about instantly going from one side of the sky to the other and then it gets right above us and zip, zip. A couple times, you know, we're sitting there looking, saying, what in the world are we looking at, y'all? Well, aliens, Nobody knew, okay? Because look, we was in Mexico.

[Nate]

What year was this?

[Cy]

Oh, that was when I was a kid, okay? But we was in New Mexico, duck hunting on the Rio Grande river, okay? It's 4:30am in the morning, we're throwing out decoys. And in that 30 minute period that we're throwing out decoys, we seen 17 different shooting stars, burning planets, whatever you want to call them. One of them was gigantic, on fire, coming across. It got right above us. The little piece broke off. Now you got a giant one and a small one going across. But we seen 17 different ones that morning, and that was like, what, 10 years ago? Maybe 15, you know, so just because the point I was making was just because you haven't seen it with your eyes.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Doesn't mean it don't exist.

[Luke]

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[Martin]

Yeah, I agree. And we talk about on the show a lot about the idea that, like, you have all these stories right inside. You've given us a bunch of stories here, but, like, if even one of them is true, right, Then you have to expand your paradigm. It busts your paradigm. So whether it be, you know, a UFO experience or a black panther, as we've kind of gone over it, you got to make room for that, right? And I think you did a great job. I think we can quit the show now. You can basically explain how good and evil work.

[Nate]

You got it all figured out.

[Martin]

But word of mouth, we'll see.

[Carter]

Pony Express.

[Nate]

Yeah, we say that a lot, though. You know, we. We think that there are a hierarchy of dark entities and creatures and all kinds of things, principalities, powers, dominions. I think a lot of Christians aren't aware of how many dark things are. They're out there and how many different, almost like species of these things. And people will come on our show and describe all the. All kinds of wacky stuff. And just when you think you've heard it all, someone comes on and tells you something else they've seen. And we got weird stuff showing up in people's houses. Like everything from gray aliens to the Hat Man. And the Hat man. Yeah, the hat man.

[Martin]

Orbs.

[Nate]

Orbs.

[Luke]

What's the hat man?

[Nate]

The hat man is this tall, skinny guy with a hat on. And then. And he shows up and people see him all the time. It's actually a pretty. We get. People email us all the time about.

[Luke]

Is he like, selling knives?

[Martin]

Yeah, he works for Cutco.

[Nate]

But it's just like bizarre stuff like that. And you don't. And you get like 10 emails about seeing the hat man. You're like, okay, what is this thing? And why does it take a certain. Like, why does it have like a character? Why is it like, not just whatever it wants to be? It's like people are describing the same experiences over and over and over again. And when that happens and if it's a good story, then we're like, we'll kind of sniff it out and then bring them on the show and talk about it.

[Martin]

But I think, yeah, the basis of our show though is like, we have a very supernatural faith, you know, and that's. And in some ways, as 21st century Westerners and Americans, in a weird way, some of that very supernatural aspects of our faith have even been divorced from our, from, from Christianity. Like, when you think about, like, we have a. We have a virgin birth, a resurrected Christ. You've got giants and talking.

[Cy]

That's what I was.

[Martin]

Angels and all. I mean, think about all that. But a lot of times people don't have, especially now, like post enlightenment, the sort of academic era we live in, they kind of put Christianity in this box and it's just like, it's just Jesus and he did this, which is great, but it doesn't provide a lot of context when people have experiences like seeing a black panther or like seeing something that shouldn't be there or ufo. Ufo. What are you meant to think about that? And then what we are proponents of is that our faith is big enough. Like, there is a lot of weird stuff in the Bible, stuff you won't hear on Sundays, because unfortunately, a lot of the western church is a business. So you're not going to get a. You're not going to pay a sermon on aliens or Genesis 6, or pick your poison when it comes to the Bible. The weird stuff. You won't get a lot of it because people need. A lot of pastors need butts and seats. And I feel like for whatever reason, Nate and I stumbled it sort of backwards into.

[Nate]

It's good for our show space where.

[Martin]

You provide a platform. People talk about it.

[Cy]

Oh, no, no. My point, to make a statement. People are always, especially in a way, religious people. They're looking for signs. A miracle. Show me a miracle. Well, hey, here's the bottom line. A miracle won't save you.

[Martin]

You will if you get healed. I mean, there's.

[Cy]

It's like Jesus story, though. Okay.

[Luke]

Some miracles are actually specifically designed to save you.

[Martin]

Yes.

[Cy]

But here's the thing. The story about Christ, that's how it started. Because there was nothing written down until we received the Bible.

[Martin]

Right.

[Cy]

But I look at this and that's why with me, if somebody tells me an amazing story that is unbelievable. Well, I've got, you know, now I'm not going to say yay or nay on it because, hey, you need to. The people need to speak to some of our military veterans.

[Nate]

Well, that was. That was the beginning of our show was honestly, you know, when I started really taking these things serious was the hunters seeing things people been in their whole. Spent their whole life in the woods coming on podcast and telling their experience of seeing everything. Big giant hairy creatures to Wendigo, to all the kinds of strange creatures that live out in there. And then military people, I started being like, you know, these are men that don't want to make up stuff. You Got cops, got hunters, got vets. They don't want to talk about these things and make up stories and go on podcasts.

[Cy]

Well, number. Number one, in general, most veterans I've tried to speak to that have been through it, they don't want to talk about it because it's a bad part of their life. Okay. But if the ones that have said stuff, one of them especially, that I know he was in combat and said, hey, I felt an evil presence when I walked into this cave.

[Nate]

Yeah, okay.

[Cy]

He said, and this is, you know, these are guys that have been baptized by gunfire, by death, by watching their friends get blowed up and stuff. They're not going to lie. There's no reason for them to lie. Okay. So when somebody tells you something like that, like, I felt an evil presence, and it scared the living, you know what out of me. And that's when he changed his life. Because of it.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Well, most of us are skeptical. I think we're born that. I think a big portion of the population is more skeptical. And there's. There's other people who can sort of read people's emotions. They look them in the eye. They can kind of sense, are you telling me the truth? And you can kind of hear it in someone's voice. And I was saying, like, when this show started, I think it was just after about five or six years of hearing these stories, and then I think blurry creatures is. What we wanted to do was there's a lot of paranormal shows. There's a lot of shows talking about everything from Sasquatch experiences, talking about UFOs and aliens. You got ancient aliens on the History Channel, and they're all having these strange experiences, but there's no biblical paradigm in which they're filtering it through. And so people are coming with these wild conclusions because no Christians are really willing to have these conversations. And so you have people who've had experiences, and they're coming up with, I think, bad answers to real experience. And so what we started trying to do is say, hey, there's room in the Bible for all this weird stuff. Let's talk about it. And what do you know? Like, the show kind of just took a life of its own. And there's a lot of really weird, strange topics in the Bible. For example, like, you know, we did a show on the. The vest that the high priest used to wear with these stones in it, right? And they would glow. And that was how God communicated to the people. And it's like, I never heard that growing up in the Church, that would have fascinated me as a kid. But there's so many, like, really off, like, things in terms of, like, modern Christianity. But if you go back, you're like. And we even did an interview with a guy lately that someone still has one of these stones, and whenever a Christian touches, it glows, apparently. But that, you know, that's the wild part of our show. But I think it's fascinating, and I think the Bible is a fascinating thing. For some reason, it kind of got a little sleepy at times in history. And I think people are getting reinvigorated with their faith. They're coming back, they're listening to this stuff. You've got UFOs in mainstream media. People are asking questions. Christians are waking up. It's a really interesting, I think, fun time to be alive right now.

[Cy]

Well. Cause they've proven, okay. Because they've proven that people have been lied to. Of all this stuff, that. How it got here and all this. That's been proven to be false.

[Luke]

Are you saying the government lied to us?

[Cy]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Cy]

Yeah. But the thing about it is, okay.

[Nate]

You'Re 95% of the time, you're telling the truth, right?

[Cy]

Hey, most of the time, okay, I am.

[Luke]

Unless it needs a little pizzazz.

[Nate]

That's right.

[Martin]

That's a much better rate than the government's going right now.

[Cy]

So here's the thing. A story ain't good unless it's got a little chuckle in it. Okay. You don't want it always just to be dead serious. Okay. Because anyway, ain't no fun. So you add a little bit to, you know, lighten the load, so to speak.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Martin.

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[Willie Robertson]

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[Luke]

Well, you're welcome, Mike, because I bought a lot of pillows because I love you.

[Willie Robertson]

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[Luke]

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[Willie Robertson]

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[Cy]

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[Willie Robertson]

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[Luke]

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[Willie Robertson]

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[Luke]

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[Willie Robertson]

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[Martin]

I think it's super interesting that there's in some ways there's a space now, right? Because I think people that have had weird experiences in general, there are a lot of folks in that camp that'll be like, this disqualifies my faith. I can't find a place for this. So then my faith is sort of disqualified. Christianity doesn't fit for me because it can't explain these things and that's why, that's what fights. But I think if you provide context and start pointing out all of the odd and supernatural things in our bibles and in our faith that there are, you can fit fit your experiences in there and say, okay, this makes sense in the idea of spirits or angels or demons or fallen angels or creatures. Whatever it is, as you pointed out, we know less about the ocean. What is it like? I think I'm going to butcher this. You can fact chamber. It's like what do we know about. We've explored like 7% of our oceans.

[Luke]

I'm with that.

[Martin]

I'm fine.

[Luke]

I'm not even going to fact.

[Cy]

I use one of God's creatures, a duck Bill Platypus Yeah, it's good.

[Martin]

That's a good pull.

[Cy]

Okay. He screwed all the scientists minds up. Okay. When they run up on him, in.

[Luke]

Case y'all are wondering, I looked at.

[Cy]

It and said, wait a minute.

[Luke]

Yes.

[Cy]

Hold it. This guy. This guy can breathe water and he can also breathe air.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Cy]

That ain't right.

[Nate]

What if. What if he was created by the nephilim?

[Luke]

My assistant's actually here. Sorry.

[Nate]

What if the platypus was created by the nephilim?

[Cy]

Well, no. No.

[Luke]

That's a weird Bible recap for the year on day two. Just blows a lot of people's minds, by the way. I was reading that thing, I was like, these people, the people that don't know what's happening here are like. Even me.

[Martin]

I was like, Genesis 6. This is interesting.

[Luke]

Genesis goes well. Sorry. My son is here, though. Yeah, Carter. He's been on the show before.

[Cy]

What did he just give you?

[Luke]

He. He has a list.

[Nate]

Let's do it.

[Luke]

So he's. He's a big fan of three things. Vietnam veterans, specifically Uncle Z, the presidents and the paranormal. And he brought a list with him.

[Cy]

All right.

[Luke]

Of presidents, paranormal. Oh, yeah. He can tell you more about presidents that he can. What's a kelpie? Do we know what that is?

[Carter]

That's Travis Kelsey and Jason.

[Luke]

Oh, it's a ghost horse. See, you're teaching blurry creature the chupacabra.

[Martin]

We know about that.

[Carter]

Oh, everybody knows.

[Martin]

Yeah, we've.

[Luke]

Have we covered Loch Ness Monster, Kraken, Yeti. What is a Wadigo?

[Martin]

Windigo, Wendigo.

[Carter]

He said it earlier. I thought he's just saying when to go, but it was Windigo.

[Nate]

No, no, you thought.

[Cy]

He told me it was time to go.

[Nate]

Like an emaciated looking like half human, half like he's got like a deer. A lot of the time they see with antlers like a buck commander, if you will.

[Willie Robertson]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Nope. Same thing. Go. Here we go again with God's creation. Ducks. We. We see them all the time. People kill them when they look so weird. They look. Some flu violence. We're looking. Kill it.

[Luke]

Time out. And this is way more normal looking than whatever this thing is.

[Nate]

See? Yeah.

[Luke]

Yeah. Is that out there? Carter? Is that out there?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Carter gave me a thumbs up.

[Martin]

We hadn't.

[Nate]

We've had a lot of people talk about it.

[Cy]

We're actually.

[Martin]

We did an episode. Carter. We're with two police officers that. That had a win to go encounter.

[Cy]

Here's the sign.

[Luke]

Watching that one.

[Cy]

Sure.

[Carter]

It's definitely at the airport. In Denver.

[Martin]

It's living underneath.

[Carter]

It's living underneath.

[Cy]

Okay, well, the preacher had a great lesson. Okay. And here I. Here I'm looking. Okay. You got the physical world. Okay. That's what we can touch. I got my hands on this. I can touch it. Physical. Then you got. Okay, the microscopic. I can't see it unless I got a scope. High power scope. Then I look at. I can take blood. Drop of blood from me. Look at it and good, great jump back. Scares me. It's moving.

[Luke]

Your blood moves.

[Cy]

Yeah, there's all kind of stuff moving in my blood. That little drop of blood. Then you go, okay, spiritual. Wait a minute. What are you talking about, spiritual? It's spiritual. Okay. You can't touch it. I can stick my hand through it. So for you to say, okay, no, I can't go that route. Yeah. Because when you get right down to it, why don't you believe a miracle?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Because if something out of the ordinary has happened and with your little pea brain. Brain that God gave you, you can't. You can't make it work.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Like ghost.

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Carter has Sarah Winchester's ghost. Do we know who that is?

[Martin]

From the.

[Luke]

Yeah, we know you know who it is, son.

[Martin]

Mystery house.

[Nate]

That's in San Jose, right?

[Martin]

Yeah, I've been to. I've been to the Winchester Mystery House.

[Nate]

Yeah. We're California kids. That's right near our neck of the woods.

[Martin]

So I've been there a few times.

[Luke]

So how is that the Sarah Winchester. How y'all got started?

[Martin]

This just.

[Luke]

This interests me because some people are, you know, trading sports cards like Willie was. Or duck hunting, and y'all are like, let's find the ghost in the Chupacabra. I think, how did we start?

[Nate]

Yeah, there's like. I mean, this. I think the show, you know, the start of it was mostly I was listening to stories about Bigfoot. And then I needed some in my head. I needed something different to listen to while I bought my first house and was remodeling it. And I was just. Didn't want to listen to sports talk radio. I just needed something a little bit out there. Look kind of spooky, but. But not like stories. I wanted to hear real testimonies. And then it was when, like three or four years into, like, listening to these kinds of stories where theologians kept coming on some of the podcasts and stuff that we were listening to, and I saw this thread of. Wait, there's like, this group of theologians that are willing to talk about all the weird stuff, and it Answers a lot of questions that Christians have growing up that you kind of explain away, like, why did God flood the earth? You know, why are these things that, that, that. That are harder for adults to kind of wrap their minds around or they come up with wild conclusions. And so after listening to more and more of these theologians talking about giants, I think that was kind of the gist of, of when Blurry was like, man, we need to do this. Because when you go down the. The rabbit hole of giants in the Bible. Yeah, it is fascinating. No, no, some of them, you know, described in, like, the promised land were massive. They say the size of these cedar trees. And then people go, ah, it's just how they talked back then. You're like, no, we actually.

[Cy]

Well, what are you going to do when you walk up on. He's seven, eight. Seven foot eight tall.

[Martin]

Who is.

[Nate]

That's not a man.

[Luke]

Willie once got booed by Charles Barkley at a golf tournament.

[Cy]

Oh, no, no. Because I'm saying, okay, the biggest guy I've ever met. What are you going to do with this 7 foot 8 man?

[Martin]

You better be fast, sir. You better be real fast.

[Cy]

Yeah, but I keep going back, yo.

[Martin]

Gotta bite his ankles.

[Nate]

Yeah, well, there's human giants and then there's like hybrid giants in the Bible, like David and Goliath story. I think Goliath was not a typical human. He was a big boy. He was over some estimate over 10 foot. But I think he was a small one compared to some of the other stories that we hear. And we've dug into that topic a lot historically. Evidence of, like, people still seeing these things. Ancient, ancient reports, newspaper clippings. I mean, there's a lot there about the giants and the history of them.

[Cy]

Here's one thing that I love, okay, because everybody's always, you know, you can't explain it, okay? And like you talking about, they have a problem with Christians, Dick. Finally you can read about it in Genesis where the Israelites are chasing the people of Israel, God's chosen people. They finally said, yeah, get out of our country. And then he changed his mind. He said, all right, follow the army and kill them all. So look, they come to the Red Sea. Moses puts his staff out, separates the water, go through. And then the Egyptians, when they get in, in the water where the water was dry, God lets the water collapse and drowns them all. Well, somebody finally just said one day, said, hey, you know what we are to do? We read about it in Genesis. We are to get our divers to go down to the Bottom of the Red Sea and see what's down there. Well, when they did, guess what it is. A lot of dead Egyptian bones.

[Martin]

Mules, horses, chariots.

[Cy]

Chariots. All this stuff. Yeah, you read about it first, you idiot. You didn't believe it.

[Carter]

Case closed.

[Cy]

Thank you. Close.

[Nate]

It takes the whole podcast to kind of to. To break people's paradigms to prove those points, because, you know, on Sunday morning, you don't have all this time and energy to devote endless episodes to it. I mean, we've looked at the giants, just the discussion around, every way we can prove that these giants were real. From. From historical clippings, even looked at the language, you know.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And how they're like ancient words they use to describe the God kings, the. The Nephilim of. Of Genesis, you know, and this, even the language proves that. This. This started at a certain place and it spread out. And we've talked about all the mounds. You guys got some mounds here in Louisiana. You got these strange mounds that were built all over the world. How does that happen? And we've talked about on our show that these things left the holy Land, went all over the world, and we're building these. These mounds, which are like these ancient portal burial, ceremonial structures, and they buried their dead in them. And there's. There's reports of, you know, natives fighting these things all the way back. So we.

[Martin]

We.

[Nate]

If we could ever find anything new about the giants, we bring it on our show. We talk about it.

[Cy]

No, no.

[Nate]

Yeah, it's a lot of weird stuff, but it's. It gets blurry. That's why we call it that, you know. Gets blurry.

[Luke]

Kind of like Barry Bonds's records, huh?

[Martin]

Yeah, the asterisks.

[Luke]

Yeah, he was a giant. Willie, you grew up in a land of the best.

[Nate]

The best giant, I would say.

[Luke]

Blurry. You grew up in a land of weird stuff. Down at Phil's house. What was the weirdest thing you've ever seen?

[Carter]

He's sitting over there. When he would make his journey in now, a couple of observations. I like how of all the scariest things that we've talked about, microscopic human blood is what's number one, you know what I'm saying? All of the photos, all this, I will say, moving. If this note ever showed up to my door, this would frighten me to death.

[Luke]

Carter's list.

[Carter]

There's something. I felt a little bit of evilness just when it passed by me. I think the question is, why doesn't the. The churches talk about it more? Because I think they don't know. They don't. They don't have any experience with it. And I think there is some. They've. There's some phoniness, I feel like. So I guess some of the things that we see written in the Bible that then perhaps are tried and failed, and then it's like, well, that didn't work. So let's just keep it really safe and sanitized.

[Cy]

Don't go there.

[Carter]

Don't go there.

[Luke]

Or they.

[Cy]

Or.

[Carter]

Or some other groups. I feel like then maybe they try to gin it up constantly to try to, you know, To. To say the. Especially the miracles, you know, like, well, that's.

[Cy]

That's.

[Carter]

And everything begins, you know, the miracles are soft tissue that they got fixed. Somebody, you know, stuff that we can't. Up where it's like the arm is gone and now it's. By, you know, or whatever. And so, and so I do think. I think some groups have just stayed. They just stay away from it. Because they don't.

[Cy]

Yeah, but why can't the human being, okay, hey, you don't have the answer. Why don't you just say, I don't know.

[Nate]

It's hard because you're.

[Cy]

Instead of saying negative or going somewhere else.

[Nate]

Well, the church historically provided the answers. That's why people show up, because they need the answers. They haven't started with the questions. And I think what we have now we've seen in the media, the legacy media is collapsing. People don't trust that anymore. They just are trying to find anyone who's willing to tell you the truth and say, I don't know. And those people are actually having millions of listeners now, so I think we're in a time where people want the church to tell them the weird stuff, get into the, you know, the meat and potatoes and not, you know, play it safe.

[Carter]

Well, some of the things you just can't, you know, like my. One of my. I don't know if y'all touched on this, but is the. Speaking of blurry creatures is that I see people, but they look like trees and the miracle or Jesus, and then it does it again. I mean, that just fascinates me how, you know, what happened, like, go, was it work? Needed a different combination, you know?

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Carter]

So that stories like that in. In the New Testament or in the Bible, they. They fascinate me because I really don't know.

[Willie Robertson]

I don't know.

[Nate]

That's a good question. What's the weirdest thing in the Bible to each of us, like, what's the weirdest thing that you think is, like the hardest to believe or the hardest to think that might have happened. I'd say that's a thing to ponder.

[Luke]

Just got deep.

[Carter]

That's one.

[Nate]

I think the talking donkey story is a little balaam.

[Cy]

Oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah. I. Talking donkey.

[Martin]

You seen one of those?

[Cy]

He was.

[Nate]

Did you see him at one time?

[Cy]

No. He was. I believe what it said about it right now.

[Martin]

You ever seen a talking donkey? You ever had one?

[Cy]

Nope.

[Martin]

Whisper in your ear?

[Cy]

Well, hey, here's the thing. They got to have a language because they got to communicate between each other.

[Martin]

Right?

[Cy]

There's no language that don't have any, you know, like birds. Birds don't just tweet and do all this stuff. They're talking to each other.

[Martin]

Right.

[Cy]

You know, that's why I said the deal about, hey, why don't the human being. When we run up on something, we cannot prove to our satisfaction that it's real.

[Martin]

It's because I think if I want to answer, I think it's because a lot of pastors and leaders in the Christian church are in a place of authority where there's a pressure to always have an answer. And that requires some humility to actually say, I don't know. And I would point this out, too, to what Willie was saying. I think what we're discussing here is very much a Western problem. If you get out of the west, you go to sub Saharan Africa, you go to the Amazon, you go. They live a very supernatural reality. Like, all you gotta do is talk to any. Any missionary.

[Carter]

A lot more stories of way more miracles and.

[Martin]

Right. We talked to Tom Doyle on the show who, Who. Who basically is chronicling Muslims behind, you know, behind the Muslim wall, getting. Having repeated night after night dreams about Jesus and Jesus calling. Calling these people out of Islam to himself. And this happens regularly. And then you go. I mean, my favorite ones are missionaries where they go. They go these. These unreached places. And literally, these tribes are like, we worship this God. This is our God. And the story, I've heard it 100 times now, they're like, okay, the missionaries are there. Inevitably, there's a witch doctor. The witch doctor actually does heal people. There's this thing that happens with. With. With powers of darkness. Where it happens, when it happens is sometimes they don't. This is. I've heard the story at least half a dozen times. They don't. The witch doctor can't heal the person. And so lo and behold, down the hill comes the tribesmen. They say, hey, we Got a guy who can't. He's not getting healed. Witch doctor, can't do it. Can your God do it? And these missionaries go, we believe he can. They go pray, and the person gets healed. And what happens? The entire village converts because they go, your God is more powerful than not God. That sort of paradigm doesn't exist in the West. We have agnostics and atheists, and all.

[Nate]

These things exist in the Bible, you know?

[Luke]

You know.

[Martin]

Right. But I'm just saying, like, when we were talking about the church, like, when you get out of the west, like most folks, whether you go to Haiti or sub Saharan Africa or the Middle east, they live a very supernatural reality that they don't. They don't have this division where they've imperialized everything and said, like, we got to measure, touch, as you talked about, measure, touch, feel. And then we got to validate within that. And I guess the irony is, is that we talked to a guy on the show, Dr. Craig Keener, and he's been recording miracles. Like, he's got volumes of modern miracles. And these are from the west and from outside the west, but they're happening. They're still happening. They're happening in the West. You just don't hear about them. Which is wild.

[Cy]

Well, no, no, because God's still doing miracles.

[Martin]

Of course he is. That's his business.

[Cy]

He's not doing them for the same reason that he did them in the beginning.

[Martin]

We asked that question. Si. We asked him, like, if you were to say, why do you think he is? There's not. There's not a formula to it. Right. A miracle is really just basis is God intervening into the natural. And something supernatural, something outside of the norm happens. Like you have this mat, this healing, or an arm grows back, or, you know, whatever. And he said, Craig said, his opinion, there's not a formula. But God acts in the miraculous at the cutting edge of evangelism. So when his name is on the line and people will come to him, God intervenes, whether it be when it's.

[Cy]

For his purpose, 100%.

[Martin]

So whole village gets saved.

[Nate]

Right?

[Martin]

Yeah. We see on the show a lot. Have you ever seen a movie called the Usual Suspects? Anybody seen that? You know what I'm talking about? Never mind that it's a good reference, but essentially in the movie, he said the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And I think that's kind of where we live. We live in this world in a time where a lot of people don't Believe that the devil exists or that Satan exists. And if that is your worldview and you don't have, as you talked about, this sort of army of darkness or kingdom of darkness warring against the kingdom of God, it's very hard to contextualize a lot of these things. And they'll say those things don't know what happened. But you're like, man, this happened in the Bible. Christ goes to the man of the tombs. Cast out a legion thousands of demons.

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Martin]

You know, out of a man. And this happens today. We've had exorcists on the show. And this is.

[Cy]

I think it's happened to my brother twice.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Bill and another man. Okay. They actually seen it and feel him, looked at each other and said, hey, if, you know that lady is demon possessed.

[Martin]

Oh, yeah, I've seen it.

[Nate]

I think.

[Cy]

Oh, I. I just. I look at that and.

[Martin]

And, yeah, but you look at, like, what do they talk about? So if. If we're here and we're in the United States, then most people will say, oh, that's mental illness or it's schizophrenia. And these things get diagnosed away as. Let's just give them another drug.

[Nate]

Sometimes it is, though.

[Martin]

Sometimes it is that. Of course, I think exorcists that we talk to actually have a pretty good protocol, being like, do you have a mental illness or are you demonized or possessed?

[Cy]

I was just saying. I was just fixate. Maybe the doctor don't know. Right.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Nate]

But there's even a difference.

[Cy]

He's treating him for something else. And, hey, it's demon possessed.

[Martin]

Right. Well, there's a head going back.

[Cy]

You're never going to cure him. Okay. Because you're. You're treating the wrong.

[Martin]

Yeah, it's a backwards head, just like your pigeon.

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Nate]

But it gets even darker because I. Or even stranger, I think we live.

[Martin]

In a time when we want to be able to empirically, as I said, measure, explain, hypothesize everything away and make it neat. And you can't do that to God. You can't put God in a box. And I think the entire story is Nate saying the Bible is literally God intervening into the story of humanity and ultimately restoring Adam and the sons of Adam back to. Back to his family.

[Cy]

Right.

[Martin]

And I do think that's a. You get in this sort of analysis or paralysis of analysis, they say. Right. Where we try to analyze everything to death and measure everything. I think what's amazing, though, to that point is the more archeology that's done in the Middle east, the More that it confirms the Bible, whether it be the Dead Sea Scrolls or whether it be them finding Sodom and Gomorrah or finding the more that they dig, the more that they look, the more they are finding corroboration for the stories of the Bible. I think, and I think if we're to meant to trust data, Sigh. Like that's the way that our society works. The data is being provided. Which is pretty, it's a pretty amazing thing. Right? Because if you're, you know, if you're living in a. Somewhere else, you know, I think that it's a different. Gosh, you have different needs. Right. It's sort of like the first world problems. Right. That we need to sort of analyze everything to death. I think you live in a different paradigm. If you are just worried about where your next meal is coming from, if you're going to make it, that's a completely different place. I mean I spent time in Southeast Asia.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Martin]

As a kid or as a, as a young person with ywam and encountered families that like didn't know if they're going to be able to feed themselves after the next week or after the next three days. And that's such a different place because they were trusting God to meet their needs, to fill their bellies tonight and tomorrow. And it's just a different space to be like, let's try to analyze all this and make this all fit into our, into our like academic paradigm to like man, I just need God to provide. And he does. He does.

[Cy]

The human race missed the point.

[Martin]

Well, I agree.

[Cy]

God wants us to seek him.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Cy]

Okay. So common sense will tell you, okay, you're. I'm never going to allow you to know it all, okay. Cause you gonna get too big for your britches. You done it once and I had to kill all of you or tried to anyway.

[Martin]

So I think about this, think about how many times we are asked God for something and are praying that God comes through, but we have a plan B in case he doesn't. This is what we do. Well, no, no, I mean this is what we do. We have a 401k and we have retirement God if this doesn't happen, like I got xyz, I have contingency plans.

[Cy]

And we've got our own way we want it to happen, right?

[Martin]

100%.

[Cy]

Yeah.

[Martin]

And I just don't think that is a lived reality for 90, 80, 90% of the of. Of the planet. They don't live that. They're like, dude, we need to eat or We. I just hope that I don't get blown up today or there's. It's just a different set of needs and, and I. It's. It's interesting like the idea of faith in different parts of the world is very interesting. Like what you believe God for what you say you believe God for but you really plan contingency for it's the same time because that's not the Bible. We see that happen. Right.

[Cy]

I mean well that's like science, science and all of our great minds in the science side said it didn't go with the Bible which I think that's a false assertion. Yeah, it does go with the Bible.

[Martin]

It does.

[Cy]

Whatever you find in the Bible is backed up by science.

[Martin]

We actually touched on this Nate with we're talking to Hugh Ross about as they look back in history there's if evolution theory of evolution is real you should see a progression.

[Cy]

No, no. Right.

[Martin]

They're finding periods as they call them the name there's fascinating where everything shows up fully fully developed. You don't find any in betweens. These are really hard impossible questions to answer for an evolutionist because it shouldn't be that way. You shouldn't have all of a sudden this, this period begins and there's fully formed duck Bill Platypus for to your example. Right. Like that how does that. That actually blows everything up and behooves like an intelligent design.

[Cy]

That's why they figured out that hey they've been lying to us all these years.

[Nate]

Well I think we also let the science mindset into the church a lot because science can only explain three parts of our reality. Right. But the Bible says there's a fourth part of reality. There's this unseen realm, there's dimensions, dimensional things that we can't understand. And sometimes that fourth part of reality messes with our current life. That's why we see it from time to time, but we don't see it all the time. There's a veil there. And and I, and what I will say is people in the west people have experiences and they don't talk about them. They're not allowed to talk about it. But doesn't mean that the miracles and the weird stuff isn't happening.

[Martin]

Yeah, agreed.

[Nate]

We bring on people who are professionals PhDs, Schol and they'll talk about a completely unrelated paranormal story that you would think they were nuts but because we give them access and license to talk about it, they'll say when I was a kid I saw this thing and I can't Explain it. And I saw it as clear as day. And it. Everyone thinks I think I'm nuts, but we don't, because we're like. Well, that's every day on our podcast. But I think actually all the weird stuff is still happening just as much as it was today as it.

[Cy]

Oh, no, it is, because.

[Nate]

And it just. It's just not acceptable to talk about.

[Cy]

That's why I went with the okay, physical, your spirituality. And you brought up another one because the preacher preached on it, okay? And when you get right to it, God, okay, is outside of time, okay? God is all knowing, all powerful. Okay? Well, he understands all of them. Worlds, all these different worlds. He's in them. He's the one that created them. Well, we don't. We have no idea. Like you said, we run upon something we can't explain. And what it is, we're scared to death because we can't explain it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Luke]

It's wild, wild times.

[Carter]

Case closed.

[Luke]

Case closed. No, no, I hate to close the case, but we are.

[Cy]

I'm just saying, the creator didn't create nothing without a purpose behind it.

[Luke]

Amen.

[Nate]

Case closed.

[Luke]

Case closed. What an incredible conversation. Fired up.

[Cy]

Oh, I am.

[Luke]

I've got something I need you to do, though, and I'm going to do it for you.

[Cy]

Okay?

[Luke]

I need you to go to blurry creatures dot com. Up at the top. They got their Facebook, their Instagram, their YouTube, their podcast link, their blurry creatures pretty much on everything. Go give these guys a follow, like, and subscribe. Me and Carter are about to go home and watch something about a Windego. Is that I say it right.

[Martin]

L.A. well, I'm not.

[Nate]

You don't want to see him.

[Carter]

That's a Wendago.

[Nate]

Don't make it.

[Luke]

Take a vacation.

[Nate]

Don't make a Wendigo call. Don't make a. Oh, God, that guy showing up.

[Luke]

I don't know.

[Cy]

Hey, here's. Here's. Here's what I want to tell you. It's all about your perspective. Your perspective, my perspective, his perspective. Okay? But back it up.

[Luke]

Back it up. And to back it up, you guys have talked about the Bible the whole time. We end every podcast with a Bible verse. I don't want to put you on the spot, but I'm going to your favorite verse. A verse to leave people with. Nate or Luke. Thanks for being here. I'll let you end it.

[Nate]

All right, well, we talk about Genesis 6 all the time. And if you. If you don't know what that is, it's. It's it's basically about how I think it's a big part of my life now. Obviously, it's the reason this show exists, that there were angelic beings and human beings came together and created something that was a big part of the reason. The Old Testament is confusing and weird and there's a lot of stuff going on in there. If you miss that verse, if you miss that idea, you really don't have a very clear perspective of what's going on in the Old Testament. And I think those verses are very important. So Genesis 6, give it a look at. Read it with a clear lens. The sons of God are different than the daughters of men. And there's this whole. This beginning part of this huge story. So I'd say Genesis 6, you should.

[Luke]

Have, like, T shirts with something about the Nephilim on.

[Martin]

Oh, we do.

[Luke]

Okay. Just check.

[Cy]

We studied that. We studied that. And I'm still confused on it.

[Luke]

So I'm just going to read it. Genesis 6:4.

[Nate]

Ask you about that.

[Cy]

I'm serious.

[Luke]

The Nephilim were on earth in those days and also afterward when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old men of renown.

[Martin]

Renown.

[Cy]

Just a question right quick.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Cy]

The Philistine David Slew with the slingshot. Goliath, how big was he?

[Luke]

Real?

[Nate]

10Ft.

[Carter]

10Ft tall.

[Cy]

10Ft tall, at least.

[Martin]

And he had three brothers. They were mercenaries.

[Nate]

I mean, his armor was. Was.

[Cy]

Well, he couldn't lift his sword.

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cy]

Cut his head off.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Luke]

My last question, Samson, was he ripped or did he just look normal?

[Nate]

Oh, he had magical hair.

[Martin]

His legs.

[Luke]

So did he have big, huge muscles or did he just all of a sudden show up as a little wiry guy whooping on people?

[Martin]

I think I go b. I think he. I don't think he was like. I don't think he looked Arnold. I think he just had, like, a supernatural strength.

[Cy]

Yeah. Awesome.

[Martin]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Well, thanks for tuning in.

[Nate]

Like Marshall Falk with, like, great hair.

[Martin]

Marshall Falk.

[Cy]

Well, say that would have been little guy. He would have been. Hey, stop.

[Nate]

Indiegogo's the little guy.

[Martin]

But he was freak.

[Nate]

Sampson would have been a freak.

[Cy]

That's right.

[Luke]

All you, baby Carter. Baby Carter that can just bench press 500 and catch 300 foxes.

[Martin]

Don't let them cut your hair, Carter.

[Luke]

Never. What are you doing, son? Thanks for tuning in. I'm going to get him back home. Thanks for being here, guys.

[Nate]

It.