Podcast Summary: Knowing Him | Nancy Dufresne | Holy Ghost Meetings 2020 | World Harvest Church

Date: January 6, 2020
Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Host/Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Guests/Ministers: Pastor Craig, Pastor Joel Siegel, Pastor Mitch, Pastor Edwin, Pastor J, Dean Graves, Worship Leader

Overview

This episode centers on the vital importance of truly knowing God—not just His principles or power, but His person. Pastor Nancy Dufresne urges ministers and believers to make fellowship with God the nucleus of their lives and ministries, especially in the context of the last days’ revival. The message highlights the difference between knowing about God and actually knowing Him, and emphasizes that miracles, healings, and revelations are outflows of a deep relationship with the Lord, not the fruit of mere religious principles or ministry activity.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Curse and the Scapegoat (00:16)

• Nancy relays a message from Brother Copeland: The curse under the Old Covenant was intended for the scapegoat, not the people, and Jesus is our scapegoat who bore all curses for us.
  • Quote: “He [Brother Copeland] said, ‘Tell them that God never intended the curses come on the people... He intended the curses to be on the scapegoat, and Jesus was that scapegoat.’” [00:44]

2. The Center of Revival: Knowing Him (03:51)

• The last-day revival will include all previous moves of God, fivefold offices, and the nine manifestations of the Spirit—but its heartbeat must be a living relationship with the Lord.
• Emphasis on presenting the Healer, not just healing principles, and the Miracle Worker, not just miracles.
  • Quote: “We hunger for that and flow in that from the right place... we present healing to the people based on, not healing principles, but based on the healer.” [04:51]
• “It’s not what He does to the forefront. It’s who He is.” [05:44]

3. Living from Fellowship, Not Formula (06:00)

• Nancy shares a story about a minister who sat for hours in contemplation, seeing “nothing but God.” The lesson: it’s essential to slow down and center on Him amid ministry activity.
• Personal consecration for the year: To bring people not just sermons, but the experience of God.
  • Quote: “I long not to only bring God’s word, the sermons to the people, but to bring the experience of God to the people...” [09:28]

4. Miracles as Outflow, Not the Center (11:27)

• Revival signs—healings, miracles—are natural byproducts of fellowship, not the prime objective.
• Quote: “Healings aren’t the center, they’re the outflow of Him. Can I say this? It’s based on fellowship. It’s not based on power. It’s based on fellowship with the one of power.” [12:28]

5. The Example of Paul: Seeking to Know Him (13:46)

• Paul’s prayer life and ministry achievements were great, but his continual striving was: “that I may know Him” (Philippians 3:10) [14:20].
• Dangers of focusing on faith principles or ministry techniques without deepening one’s relationship with Christ.
  • Quote: “You can learn all the principles... but if you’re not careful, we just know steps and not Him. And that’s been my thing that’s been moving in me. Amen.” [15:11]

6. Faith as a Byproduct of Intimacy (19:23)

• Faith flows naturally from relationship; the struggle in faith often reflects lack of intimacy.
• Quote: “When we know Him, faith is not a struggle.” [20:47]
• John 17:3 (Amplified): “And this is eternal life... to know Him.”

7. Be Still and Know (23:24)

• Stillness before God is required for true knowledge and intimacy; some things only become known in quiet times with Him.
  • Quote: “There are some things that only become known in stillness. Be still and know. Amen. Be still and know Him. So the fruit we bear... is to come from fellowship.” [24:39]

8. Ministering Him, Not Just Messages (27:29)

• The real success of ministry: people leave wanting more of Jesus, not just being impressed with the sermon or the minister.
  • Quote: “If someone walks out talking more wanting to know you better than knowing Him better, that sermon was a miss. That sermon was a fail.” [28:45]

9. Scriptural Examples: Knowing Him Over Knowing About Him (31:17)

• John 5:39: The Pharisees searched the Scriptures but missed the one to whom Scriptures pointed—Jesus Himself.
• Emphasis on not just ministry “fruit” but fellowship with “the vine.”

10. Love and Motive in Service (49:38)

• Revelation 2: God charges the church for leaving their first love, despite endurance and doctrinal purity.
  • Quote: “He didn’t want work done for Him without loyalty to Him... Don’t love the work more than you love the one you’re working with.” [54:22]

11. Faith Works by Love (58:51)

• Love for God settles the struggle of faith and obedience.
  • Quote: “Faith is easy when you know the one you love.” [58:51]

12. Knowledge with Experience (59:18)

• Ephesians 3:19–20 (Amplified): Experiencing God’s love for oneself, not just knowing about it, is God’s desire and leads to being “filled and flooded with God Himself.”
  • Quote: “Knowledge with experience or knowledge without it. You want to ride with the teenager who knows the handbook... or the one who grew up driving? ...It’s experience that matters.” [60:37]

13. Family Faith is Not Inherited (61:03)

• Each generation and each person must pursue their own relationship with God.
• Simple, sincere faith trumps intellectualized, principle-based, heartless faith.

14. Healing Ministry Flow (62:54–76:50)

• Words of knowledge and healing are released for various conditions: female organs, throat, scalp, arms and shoulders, knees, teeth, nervous conditions, liver, colon, digestive tract, heart, lungs.
• Multiple ministers (Craig, Siegel, Mitch, Edwin, Dean Graves, Kotov) participate with specific words and prayers.
  • Quote, Pastor Joel Siegel: “Arms and shoulders. Problems in your arms and shoulders. Start moving them right now. And in the movement will come the manifestation.” [68:16]
  • Quote, Nancy Dufresne: “Release your faith. Receive it. And it doesn’t matter when this is aired... It’s faith. If you’ll just release your faith, power will meet that faith.” [66:37]

15. Worship and Final Encouragements (77:45–89:00)

• Worship song: “Healing, Flowing Over Me” and “The Greatest Thing in All My Life is Knowing You” [77:45–82:04].
• Closing encouragement: Don’t focus on needs or miracles—focus on Him.
  • Quote: “Abraham said he considered not his own body. What’s that mean? Could we say it this way? He considered not his own need... the Word tells us: consider Him.” [82:42]
  • R.W. Schambach quote: “You don’t have any problems. All you need is faith in God.” [86:04]
• Philippians 3:10–11 (Amplified): The resurrection (lifting up) that comes from knowing Him, even while in this body.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “God never intended the curses come on the people... He intended the curses to be on the scapegoat, and Jesus was that scapegoat.” —Nancy Dufresne, relaying Brother Copeland [00:44]
• “It’s not what He does to the forefront. It’s who He is.” —Nancy Dufresne [05:44]
• “I long not to only bring God’s word... but to bring the experience of God to the people.” —Nancy Dufresne [09:28]
• “Healings aren’t the center, they’re the outflow of Him. Can I say this? It’s based on fellowship. It’s not based on power. It’s based on fellowship with the one of power.” [12:28]
• “That I may know Him.” —Paul, quoted by Nancy Dufresne [14:20]
• “When we know Him, faith is not a struggle.” —Nancy Dufresne [20:47]
• “There are some things that only become known in stillness. Be still and know. Amen. Be still and know Him.” —Nancy Dufresne [24:43]
• “If someone walks out wanting to know you better than knowing him better, that sermon was a miss.” [28:45]
• “Healings, miracles, prosperity... are all outflows; the center is the vine.” —Nancy Dufresne [35:47]
• “Don’t love the work more than you love the one you’re working with.” —Nancy Dufresne [54:22]
• “Faith is easy when you know the one you love.” —Nancy Dufresne [58:51]
• “You always have time for the ones you love.” —Nancy Dufresne [58:49]
• “You don’t have any problems. All you need is faith in God.” —R.W. Schambach, quoted by Nancy Dufresne [86:04]

Important Segments & Timestamps

• Brother Copeland’s Message and Jesus as Scapegoat — [00:16–03:51]
• Core of Revival: Knowing Him, Not Principles — [03:51–13:46]
• Paul’s Prayer: ‘That I May Know Him’ — [13:46–16:30]
• Being Still Before God — [23:24–25:00]
• John 5 and Missing Jesus for the Scriptures — [31:17–34:20]
• Love, Motive, and First Love in Revelation 2 — [49:38–56:00]
• Faith, Obedience and Love — [58:49–59:18]
• Ephesians 3: Knowing by Experience, Not Just Knowledge — [59:18–61:50]
• Prophetic & Healing Ministry Flow — [62:54–76:50]
• Worship & Focused Adoration Songs — [77:45–82:04]
• Final Teaching: Keeping Focus on Him in All Needs — [82:42–88:58]
• Closing Blessings and Final Words — [88:47–end]

Tone and Language

• Warm, pastoral, personal, direct, and deeply spiritual.
• Emphasis on sincerity, simplicity, and heartfelt relationship rather than performance, achievement, or academic precision.

Summary Takeaways

• The deepest longing of our hearts and ministries must be to know Jesus personally, not just to receive from Him or accomplish His work.
• True revival, miracles, faith, and kingdom fruit are the outflow of intimate fellowship with God, not just the result of applying biblical principles.
• Every believer determines the depth of their own relationship with God. He will reveal Himself as much as you make yourself available to know Him.
• Don’t let the work of the ministry or the pursuit of blessings replace fellowship with the Giver. Put first love first.
• Faith becomes easy in the context of a loving, trusting relationship with the Lord; love motivates obedience and effective Christian living.
• Experience of God’s presence and love far surpasses knowledge alone; all are invited into this fullness.
• Healing and miracles flow naturally in an atmosphere focused on Jesus Himself.
• In both ministry and personal pursuit: Don’t miss the Person in the pursuit of His promises.

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