Podcast Summary: "Knowing Him, Part Two"

Nancy Dufresne | Jesus the Healer Broadcast | Dufresne Ministries Podcast

Date: April 30, 2020

Episode Overview

In this heartfelt episode of the Dufresne Ministries Podcast, Pastor Nancy Dufresne continues the "Knowing Him" series, focusing on prioritizing personal fellowship and relationship with God above religious works, principles, or inherited faith. She shares powerful personal stories, biblical teaching, and hosts a dynamic healing ministry portion with guest ministers, all emphasizing the necessity of intimate, experiential knowledge of Jesus as the source of miracles, faith, and transformation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fellowship with God Above All (00:08–08:45)

• Main Message: True fruit, faith, and miracles flow from encountering God personally—not just learning principles or doing works.
  • “Let the miracles come out of the fellowship. Let the healing come. Because we know Miracle Worker, not because we know the principles. Listen, yes, know the principles, but they are no substitute for Him.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (00:12)
• Illustrative Story: Nancy shares about a woman with limited mental development whose simple, heartfelt faith brought miraculous answers to prayer, demonstrating pure trust in God over religious knowledge or formality.
  • “She didn’t know principle one, principle two. But she knew God. … Faith was not a struggle. It was a simplicity thing with her because she knew Him.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (08:01)
• Memorable Quote:
  • “Just like the Bible say, a little soap and water go a long way.”
    — Housekeeper to Nancy Dufresne (05:17)

2. The Biblical Foundation – First Love (08:46–15:52)

• Scripture Focus: Revelation 2:2-5 (Amplified)
  • Jesus commends the church for its works but rebukes them for leaving their “first love”—their devotion to Him.
  • “They were believing. They were standing. They were fighting the fight of faith. But not from a place of Him being the center of that. … If you’re not careful, you’re occupied with the work instead of the One.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (11:55)
• Insight: The danger of merging performance with spiritual apathy; God values love-driven loyalty above outward works.
  • “He didn’t want work done for Him without loyalty to Him. Don’t love the work more than you love the one you’re working with.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (14:59)

3. Experiential Knowledge vs. Inherited Tradition (15:53–19:52)

• Scripture Focus: Ephesians 3:19 (Amplified)
  • “That you may really come to know practically, through experience for yourselves, the love of Christ which far surpasses mere knowledge…”
    — (16:49)
• Key Teaching: Faith and love for God cannot be inherited or substituted by proximity to spiritual people; each must cultivate their personal relationship and hunger for God.
  • “Your parents’ faith ain’t your faith, and their commitment to God is not yours. … You have to have your own love for God, your own walk with God.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (17:16)
• Relatable Analogy: She likens spiritual experience to driving: having just book knowledge is not enough—practical, lived experience is essential.

4. Healing Ministry: Words of Knowledge & Manifestation (19:53–27:29)

• Key Instruction: God’s healing isn’t limited to one method; receiving by faith (even via spoken word) is just as scriptural as laying on of hands.

  • “He sent His word and healed them. … All you have to do is receive it.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (20:03)

• Healing Words Released:

  • Female organs: healing for pain or problems in womb/ovaries (18:46)
  • Back of throat: infection or discomfort (18:56, 21:19)
  • Pressure/migraine/headband feeling on head and mental oppression (19:24–19:45)
  • Scalp conditions (21:41)

• Guest Ministers Join In:

  • Joel Siegel:
    • Arms/shoulders and knees—urged listeners to move them for healing (22:09–22:32)
  • Unattributed Minister:
    • Heart conditions, high blood pressure, diabetes (22:47–23:19)
  • Pastor Craig:
    • Stomach/digestion issues (23:31–23:45)
  • Pastor Mitch:
    • Healing for teeth, including supernatural restoration (“Someone is getting gold teeth”) (24:27–24:41)
  • Pastor Edwin:
    • Nervous conditions: includes anxiety and nerve problems in extremities (25:00–25:35)
  • Dean Graves:
    • Liver tumor (25:44–26:10)
  • Pastor J:
    • Creative miracle for too-short colon, healing for bone spurs on the tailbone (26:16–27:22)

• Emphasis: Healing flows as believers respond in faith—receiving and acting is vital.

  • “It’s your agreement that He’s looking for, which is called faith. Faith is simply a response to what He offers.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (18:44)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Simplicity of Faith:

  • “She talked to Him so simply. … That was a Bible school class for me.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (07:55)

• On Spiritual Experience:

  • “Acing the written test does not make you the safest person on the road.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (18:13)
  • “Not just flooded with principles, but flooded with God himself. The experience of Him.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (19:21)

• On Generational Faith:

  • “Don’t think because you were raised in a church that you’re humdinger of a Christian!”
    — Nancy Dufresne (17:30)

• On Receiving Healing:

  • “Start making movements. In the movement will be the manifestation.”
    — Joel Siegel (22:27)

• On Collective Ministry:

  • “I give my part, and God has a part through someone else. And everybody can bring their part.”
    — Nancy Dufresne (24:09)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Personal Fellowship Over Principles: 00:08–08:45
• Testimony of Simple Faith: 04:00–08:45
• Teaching: Revelation 2 & the ‘First Love’: 08:46–15:52
• Teaching: Ephesians 3—Knowledge vs. Experience: 15:53–19:52
• Healing Words & Ministry: 19:53–27:29

Tone & Atmosphere

• Warm, story-driven, sincere, and faith-filled.
• Blends gentle humor and practical examples with deep spiritual exhortation and genuine care for listeners to encounter real relationship with God.

Anyone seeking encouragement for authentic relationship with God—or healing in their body—will find this episode both moving and empowering. The emphasis throughout: don’t settle for the motions of Christianity or second-hand faith; pursue direct, personal, and experiential knowledge of Jesus the Healer.