Podcast Summary: Dufresne Ministries Podcast

Episode: Monday AM | Joel & Amy Siegel | Paducah, KY | Miracle Crusade 2021
Date: May 26, 2021
Guests/Ministers: Joel Siegel, Amy Siegel, with remarks by Pastor Nancy Dufresne

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode, recorded at the Paducah, KY Miracle Crusade 2021, centers on the theme of prayer—its power, purpose, and the spiritual laws governing it. Joel and Amy Siegel minister together, emphasizing that prayer is not merely religious ritual or last-resort pleading, but a dynamic means of generating spiritual power, receiving supply from heaven, and progressing into the miraculous. The session includes both teaching and corporate prayer, aiming to equip believers to “bring their supply” and move together into greater manifestations of God’s power.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Law of Spiritual Saturation

• Immersing oneself in spiritual environments and meetings produces life change and transformation.
• Joel recounts his experiences in “Holy Ghost meetings” with Kenneth Hagin in the 1990s:

  "As we get going and further in it, towards the end of these meetings, I'd look down on the inside. I'm like, oh my goodness, I'm different just from being there." (02:20)

• Attending such meetings is worth any sacrifice, for "God will not disappoint you. You will get answers. You will get help in these services. Just be here for it." (03:05)

2. Teaching and Practicing Prayer

• The session is structured not just around teaching about prayer but actually engaging in prayer together:

  "We're not just going to teach you on prayer... We're going to do it. How many know when you take certain classes in school, you have the class, but then you have to sign up for the lab. And what do you do at the lab? You do it." (04:15)

• Explicit focus is put on practical participation—the attendees are to be contributors, not spectators.

3. Paul's Example: Prayer & Deliverance (Philippians 1)

• Joel highlights Paul’s message from prison:

  "I would that you should understand, brethren, that the things which happened to me… have fallen out rather to the furtherance of the gospel..." (06:40)

• Even adversity (Paul’s imprisonment) is turned for good and Gospel expansion.
• Key Principle: Prayer can turn a situation ("This shall turn to my salvation through your prayer and the supply of the spirit of Jesus Christ.") (09:18)
• Insight: Prayer isn’t just personal; Paul depended on the prayers of others—“your prayer”, not “my prayer”.

4. Prayer is Not Begging or Last Resort

• Joel humorously shares about Christians treating prayer as a “lifeline,” or as a ritualistic, desperate appeal to God:

  "To a lot of folk, you know, prayer is their lifeline... There's nothing left to do now but pray. It's gotten so bad that we're going to... we might have to actually pray." (13:45)

• He makes the point with a personal story about praying with an inexperienced truck driver (15:50).

• Major Correction:

  "Prayer and faith... it's not for the purpose of trying to get God to do anything... The blessings of redemption are already ours. But there is a purpose for prayer." (16:02)

• Prayer’s Purpose: Not to “pry the fingers of God open,” but to facilitate the spiritual supply and power He’s already made available.

5. The Spiritual Supply Generated by Prayer

• Paul said deliverance comes "through your prayer and the supply of the spirit." Joel unpacks that:

  "This shall turn through your prayer and the resulting spiritual supply... Your prayer and the spiritual supply created through." (17:07)

• Prayer “generates” spiritual power—whether that means favor, influence, or supernatural acts (even earthquakes if needed, referencing Acts 16).

• Memorable Illustration:

  "If you're trying to get God to do something you're not ready to... even you're not ready to be praying yet." (19:20)

• Instead, find God’s will and promises in the Word—settle your answer—then pray from that position.

6. Corporate Prayer & Progression into Miracles

• Some situations are bigger than a personal prayer life can handle—they call for collective prayer.
• The goal in these Miracle Crusades is not just to observe a miracle, but to become a “miracle”—to move into deeper water, greater manifestations, and see the “miraculous” become the new normal.
• Progress into “creative miracles” is highlighted, referencing Ed Dufresne’s desire to see miracles increase from “about 50%... about hip deep” and then further still (24:50–26:10).

7. How Prayer Makes Power Available (James 5)

• Joel cites James 5:16:

  "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (27:50)

• Hebrew “energeo”—prayer generates spiritual energy and power.

  "Did you know that you're a generator? The effectual fervent—the energy-generating prayer of a righteous man..." (28:05)

• The Siegel (jokingly referencing his own translation):

  "The power generating act of prayer brings to the forefront a strong degree of power." (28:45)

8. Niagara Falls Analogy (Amy Siegel, 29:00–34:00)

• Amy illustrates with Niagara Falls:
  • The river’s flow represents spiritual power. Before modern technology, “all that force and power was just there.”
  • With proper channeling, that power is harnessed for electricity—just as prayer channels God’s already-present power into specific purpose.

  "There’s not a lack of power in heaven… [but] the power needs to be directed." (33:46)

9. Corporate Worship and Directed Prayer

• The latter part of the message (34:00–47:00) shifts into active worship and prayer, including praying in tongues and declaration.
• Key Focus: Praying out God’s plan for the meetings, the era, and those present—declaring that all God wants “comes to pass” and His power is released.

10. Law of Sowing, Serving, and Supply (Pastor Nancy Dufresne, 47:28–51:20)

• Spiritual Law: When you pray for others, God works on your behalf:

  “There’s a spiritual law: pray one for another, that you may be healed. Maturity of faith is that I don’t just spend all my faith on me. Maturity of faith is helping someone else get theirs.” (47:33)

• When you pour into what matters to God, God meets your own needs as a result.

• Testimony: Pastor Nancy shares about an elderly couple who served in Amy Semple McPherson’s ministry—highlighting the honor of participating in prayer and in God’s move.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “God will not disappoint you… Just be here for it. Don’t miss it.” – Joel Siegel (03:05)
• “This shall turn to my deliverance through your prayer and the supply of the spirit of Jesus Christ.” – Joel Siegel, quoting Paul (09:18)
• "Prayer and faith… it's not for the purpose of trying to get God to do anything, but there is a purpose." – Joel Siegel (16:01)
• "If you're trying to get God to do something, you're not ready to even be praying yet." – Joel Siegel (19:20)
• “Prayer will bring to the forefront power… make it easily accessible.” – Joel Siegel (33:46)
• “There’s not a lack of power in heaven… the power needs to be directed.” – Amy Siegel (33:46)
• “Maturity of faith is helping someone else get theirs. Because Jesus came for one reason—He already had it. His whole life was lived so that we could get ours.” – Nancy Dufresne (47:45)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Law of Saturation / Holy Ghost Meetings: 02:00–04:00
• On Doing Prayer, Not Just Teaching: 04:15–05:10
• Philippians 1: Paul’s Imprisonment as Faith Platform: 06:40–11:00
• Prayer’s True Purpose Explained: 13:45–17:12
• Generating Spiritual Supply: 17:12–21:00
• Niagara Falls Analogy (Amy Siegel): 29:00–34:00
• Corporate Worship & Prayer in Tongues: 34:00–47:00
• Spiritual Law of Serving & Receiving (Nancy Dufresne): 47:28–51:20

Closing Notes

• Practical Application: The message closes with encouragement to continue “bringing your supply in prayer,” serving others, and sowing into what God is doing—not just for your own needs, but as a channel for God’s power.
• Resources: Pastor Nancy references books and teaching materials available to grow further in supernatural prayer and living.
• Call to Action: Attendees and listeners are encouraged to join future meetings, pray for accelerated results, and testify to miracles.

The atmosphere is faith-filled, expectant, earnest, and deeply practical—conveying that every believer is called to participate in, not just witness, the ongoing flow of God’s miraculous power through prayer and obedience.