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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. Praise the Lord, Father. We glorify Him. We worship. We worship. Just lift up your hands and your voice to him tonight. We glorify. We worship you. We worship you. We worship you. Glory to you. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
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Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Glory to God. Glory to God. Well, you can turn to four or five people around you and say, God is so good. Then you can be seated. Hallelujah. When you get in a. In a flow like this and in a place like this, you certainly know that there's the highest flow we want to stay in, right? And this just keeps coming up to me. In second Corinthians, chapter three, in verse five, it says, not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything of ourselves, but our sufficiency is of God. How many of you know he doesn't run low, that we are in the kingdom of all sufficiency. Amen. We've been delivered from the kingdom of darkness and translated. Meaning your works didn't take you there. Translated. Picked up from one location and just in another location without any of your doings, without any of your workings, but translated into the kingdom of his dear Son. And how. How many of you could say. We could say into the kingdom of more than enough. More than enough. And we have to embrace and draw on and remember that the kingdom that we are in is more than sufficient for everything. We'll face that there is total sufficiency in this kingdom. We've been translated into. And we need to stop looking outside the kingdom for sufficiency because our kingdom is all sufficient because we are in the kingdom of more than enough. Amen. I didn't intend to go this direction initially, but it's okay that we're directed this way because I've gotten to a place on the inside of me that we have to go back to the light, that some predecessors walked in, that they just would not even entertain help from outside sources. I remember. I think it was you, brother Joel, that said to dad Hagin, just out of your affection for him, he said, brother Hagin, is there anything I can do for you? Is that not right? Do you remember this statement? That's the right quote.
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It wasn't you? No. But that's the right quote. Did you tell it to me? No. Okay. Anyway, he loved brother Hagin too, even Though I'm misquoting it. The quote is correct. The quote's correct. Wherever it came from. And somebody asked Brother Hagin, is there anything I can do for you? And Brother Hagin said, if I. He said, is there anything you need? And he said, if I needed something, I wouldn't tell you. There's a mindset that I don't look outside out here. And we have been coddled, schooled into all this. Outward help. Yes, yes, yes. And it's robbing us of the highest flow. That's right. Amen. Because our advancement in society has entrenched us in society. The help of society. You've heard me talk about that. My parents, my mom and dad growing up, I never saw my parents sick. And there was no such thing as. If you got hurt, Daddy would say if you said, my arm is hurting. I feel I hurt my arm. Come here. I'll cut it off. It won't hurt anymore. That was about all the sympathy you got. It was not. Oh, let's run to the doctor. We did not own Band Aids. We didn't own them. Mother wasn't buying Band Aids. Get some toilet paper. Wrap it around there till the bleeding stops. They did not coddle. They did not pay attention to. And the body of Christ pays too much attention to their flesh, to their mind, to. And because of that, they cater to it. They've got the best. I'm not against insurance, I'm not against health plans, but too many of us are using it. Have it, but don't need it. That's right. That's right. Amen. You know what I'm saying. Yes. And there used to be a mindset that God is enough. Yeah. Hallelujah. I'm of the kingdom. That is all sufficient.
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Yes. And we need to, if I could say this, as Jude said, earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. Because it's been in its diluted version, Right?
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It's watered down version, not the original version. Mixing a little bit. Amen. Am I against the medical field or medicine? No. Because thank God, it's helped some of us as we've been growing and renewing our mind. But many have shifted their faith from the word to vitamins, to their supplements, to their ongoing yearly checkup. And it has coddled us to a place that we've drifted, didn't get there overnight, drifting away, but just still drifting. Amen. Away from just sincere faith. Amen. That you've heard me tell the testimony of when the gal in the other country had a catastrophic car accident and the top of her head was cut off as she went through the windshield and the frontal lobe came out. And when they told the mother all she needs is a little bit of resurrection power. That's what I'm talking about. They go first to the kingdom.
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I would dare to say that probably wouldn't happen much in America, those statements. Because America has so much available to it that is so less than the highest flows now. I don't know why this week I've said a lot of things and I'm getting to the point where I just really don't give a royal rip. Because I'm not against something, I'm for something. And we've got to come away from. From this mindset. And I said it earlier, you've heard me say it this week, that I'm believing God for a breakthrough. I'm believing God for a breakthrough. I'm believing God for a breakthrough. As if Jesus breaking through was not enough. Come on. Yeah, that's right. I'm not against any message about that. In the sense the breakthrough is renewing your mind to that you're already through. Because we've been raised and seated far above all principalities and power and might dominion. How much more through can you get? Far above. But see this mindset and what did you call it? Spiritual jingles. Jingles, yeah. That people have fallen into these phrases that people cheerlead. They're cheerleading phrases. And I don't like those anymore. And I like cheerleading songs. Right, Come on. Now that it just happened up to people. But there's no substance, there's no weight, there's no anointing. It's just cheerleading of the flesh. And we don't tell the difference. Yeah, that's right. Praise the Lord. So I'm just addressing things nowadays because we're in Christ and if we don't address these things that don't depict who he is in us and who we are in him, it's going to rob us of the highest flow. I am not against. I am not against these things I'm against. I'm for the fullness of what's ours. Instead of us having a dumbed down diluted version of faith and of victory. Dad Hagin said this years ago. I remember listening to it. It was quite impactful tape. It was a cassette tape back then. So you know, God was in it. Because you could push, stop and come back an hour later. Push, play. And you left off at the same place you stopped. You Started again at where you left off. Anyway, I'm teasing. But anyway, he said, if you preach faith and medicine, you will have to live by faith and medicine. But if you preach. Excuse me, if you preach divine healing and medicine, you will have to live by divine healing and medicine. He said, that's why I preach divine healing, because I don't want to live by medicine. I want to live by divine healing only. I don't want to have to mix the two. Yet God is not against the two, but the one is the highest. And if we just settle for. As we're growing, we settle for that flow. We don't just put our foot down, so to speak, and say, this is my flow. And this is what our predecessors had to come to to get into some flows. Amen. They were not withholding medicine to try to get faith. They were withholding it because they had faith. Some are misunderstanding it. They think if I withhold it, I'm holding God to something. No, we don't withhold something that we may need to get faith. If you need it, use it. But I'm saying don't settle for God allows us and instructs us and even leads us to go the medical route at times because he's wanting to keep us alive long enough to get faith in us. That's exactly right. But it's not so we can coast with our faith and shift our faith. And I'm saying this with some people that have had faith to believe God, but they have been schooled and surrounded so much by medical help, and it has lulled the church into a lower flow. And I think some have died prematurely because they did not go with faith that they had. Dad Hagen talked about, he said years ago, you did not see all the kind of critical conditions physically in the body of Christ that you see today. And he said, but of course, they live more consecrated back then. And today we're so distracted. Every age has its own distractions. Every age we talk about the distractions of social media. And you know that people, People find on social media voice that no one should have given them, because used to you had an earned voice before you got broadcast out, but now it's a mindless voice. Just anybody can get on and be heard. And so that's a distraction of the age. But you know what was a distraction 100 years ago is you had to wash your clothes on the washboard and you had to haul your water up from the stream, and it was more physical. Every age has its own distractions, is what I'M saying there was so much labor involved. Now we don't have the same amount of labor, but different kind of distractions. But every age has had its distractions. They're just of a different kind. But we have an ease that it's easier to turn toward props. The prop of medicine, the prop of medical help, the prop of borrowing. They're props. God will allow us to have them as we're learning, but not so we can live at the level of the props. Because even Jesus told Dad Hagin, he said, if one of my children is under medical care, I will speed up the healing process. God's not against that. He's against us staying at that place. And that's what I'm talking about. That we have been. It's easier to stay in a lower flow than it is to press toward the mark. We have to press. And if we're not careful, that's why ministers and pastors just. We end up with just paying another man's mortgage instead of putting the press on and going and getting our own. I'm just saying. I will say this. Some Christians died because they didn't go to the doctor. And some Christians died because they did go to the doctor. You have to be led. That's what I'm saying. But I'm seeing a lulled condition of people's faith. We have to earnestly contend for the faith. What kind of faith? The faith that was once the original version of faith. Not the diluted version. Not the kind that's politically correct within the church. Yeah, Amen. The raw faith. The kind of faith that stood before Peter and said, where's the money? Ananias and Sapphira that you say you gave. That's right. And they're dropping dead. And nobody left the church over it. They just went out and buried old Ananias and came back and church was still going, waiting for Sapphira to show up. I'm talking about the original version. We're in dominion. The original version that walks in authority and refuses to put up with. And I never would have dreamed in a million years that the church would become confused about the issue of homosexuality. Come on.
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Come on. Amen.
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I'm not against homosexuals. I'm against what that does to their life. They're tormented people. And God said to me years ago, he said, I'll never send you to minister to someone you don't love. So it's not a love issue, but it's a. How did we get confused? Because if we're confused, how do we help the confused?
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Amen. Amen. Right? It's just we need to jerk ourselves by the nap of the neck and say, let's be who we are. Let's live as rich as we are. Let's walk as high as we've been raised. Amen. And quit putting up with ourselves of what we've been okay with. Because I'm really not talking about out here. I'm talking about here. That each one of us needs to say, I'm quit being okay with just relying on what's easy for my faith when it's really not easy for your faith. It's injuring your faith when we don't put a demand on it. And we're just using what's easy for the flesh, what's easy for the mind, what's easy for the soul. And we're living so far beneath. We are living far beneath because the kingdom is all sufficiency for us. Well, praise the Lord. Those things that we rely on are really God's mercy to the unsaved. And the saved have used them too freely. Yeah, that's right. Self included. But I'm just saying, I'm jerking myself. I'm kicking myself in the faith pants. Amen. Come on, somebody. Don't just sit there looking at me. Because we need to look back and say, how come I don't look too much different than five years ago? How come? How come my faith still all strifey and fighty and bickering? How come? How come I'm just as carnal and as touchy as I was last year? Seriously, how come? Because the church is too carnal. But there's a flow that awaits us. There's a flow that awaits us.
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But we have to leave the childish things behind. What? That makes it easy on the soul, makes it easy on the flesh. Not much of a demand on our faith. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. I love you. We love you, too. But sometimes we just have to have a sanity check. Well, we could call it a faith check. A faith check. A faith check. Amen. I want to go back to something. This has been living with me for a while. Dad, Hagin's book. I Believe in visions. The chapter called the Hospital Visitor. My favorite chapter in the book. That book is loaded. If you don't have that book, you must have it and go back to it periodically to read it. Because you know this. You receive different things based on what your maturity level is today. Six months from now, your maturity level will grow. So you will see something different. That's why you must do re reads. Not because they said something different, because you heard something different and saw something different based on your growth. And so Jesus appeared to dad Hagin. There are eight major visions referred to in this book. Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him, but it's for us. So I've taken it very personal in reading this. This is for me. Although it happened to him, it happened for the body. Amen. And in that passage, when dad Hagin had fallen and injured his elbow and just a muscle had gotten out of place, he had to be put back under anesthesia to set that muscle back in place. So they kept him overnight for observation is the only reason. And so as he's sitting in the hospital bed the next day, he hears footsteps coming down the corridor of the hospital, on the floor of the hospital. And so he assumes it's a nurse that he's hearing. He looks up to see Jesus walk into the room. He pulls up a chair and sits down next to his hospital bed and talks to him for an hour and a half. Now, that's worth reading about. In the course of that, Jesus said to dad Hagin, it is my will, it is my best that none of my children, none, none, none of my children, number one, ever be sick. Number two, ever be operated on. And I am not telling you if you need an operation that I'm telling you not to have it. I'm not telling you that. It's best if we could say it also this way that help you never need to be operated on. And then he said, it's my best that none of my children ever have accidents. Those three things. Never be sick, never be operated on, never have accidents. That means we should not be having things going wrong. If something goes wrong, check why it's going wrong. Because sometimes it's not always a cause of a demon. Sometimes you just use poor judgment, Not good wisdom. You know, just using poor judgment is an open door, Right? But this is his will. Never be sick, never be operated on, never have accidents. Well, others have them. That's not for God's children. That's right. Amen. And we get used to seeing it so much just around us that it becomes common. Not to God's people. We're of a different kingdom. That's right. Amen. I'll tell you this. My mother, she was of her own admission, my mother was not highly coordinated, athletic. No, none of that. And it was a comedy thing in our family because she would see a curb go to step off and still misjudge the distance. And the Chapman family was so sensitive that no one ran to help her up. We would all huddle and laugh. You just laughed. Your misfortune was our entertainment. You know, we would just, you know what I'm talking about. We'll help you up, but let us quit laughing a minute. So my mother at times would fall or trip, and she really was uncoordinated. And to give you an example.
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Daddy was on. The house they lived in was a two story house. So there was no way he could be on the roof without scaffolding. But off the back of the house there was a porch that had been enclosed and it had a low roof just on that section. And daddy was up there doing something, repairing maybe something of the roof. And he said, carolyn, throw me the hammer. It's only a one story height. It's not a two story, you know, just toss the hammer. It was not an un. You know, an inappropriate request. It was not dangerous. It was not anything. So she goes like this. And the thing is, she goes. And it goes behind her three times. She pick it up, it went behind her. And he said, carolyn, because he sees she can't release it in front of her. She's releasing it behind her. And I'm out there watching this scene. And I said, mother, he's there. That's the direction. He's not back there. She said, I can't tell when to release. Never dawned on me. You have to think about when to release it. But in her head, she had to think about when to release it. Well, that's. It wasn't a natural thing for her. That's what I'm trying to say. So he said, carolyn, turn around. So she turned around, went like that, and it reached him. He got it. He got it. So I'm just trying to tell you, she was not naturally coordinated, okay? So she was entertaining. And in that, as she got older. And your footing has to be more purposeful, you know, for her. And she was falling a lot, she was tripping a lot. And she was breaking things, ankles, wrists, ribs, cracking tailbone, this kind of thing. And the devil got in on that. You understand that? So after she went home to be with the Lord. And I'm not one to trip and fall. I'm not athletic like Morgan, but I can stay on my feet, you know, I don't struggle with that. And. And within two weeks, within two weeks, maybe a year ago, within two weeks, I fell three times. I don't do that. I've Never fallen like that. And I almost whipped my dog to pieces one time. One time I'm standing. I'm standing at a counter up my cabinet to get ready to leave the house. And there's a carpet there. So I'm holding a cup of hot tea, and I am. I've turned my body because I'm going to turn this way. The moment I go to turn, Dandy runs up a standard poodle and he slides on that carpet and he crumples it up around my feet so my body's already in motion, but my feet won't move. So I do a full side body slam. I don't do that. I don't do that. I got up roly ticked at that dog. I just dismissed it as the dog at first. And then within the next two weeks, I fell two more times. And it dawned on me. No. And I said, devil, you worked this on my mother. You'll never work it on me. And it's never happened again. We need to recognize this is not about age. This is not. No, no. You were that on her. And you took something that was a difficulty for her naturally, and you energized it. Because I don't have accidents. I don't trip and fall. I have angels that bear me up in their hands so I don't even stub my toes. That's right.
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You understand that you don't buy into this stuff, so good.
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Amen. And it never happened again because I recognize this is unnatural. I don't do this. And I stood up and I said, you're not doing this to me. And I recognize that this is something trying to affect my daily life, not doing it. And it hasn't happened again, and it won't. Because I recognize we need to recognize stuff. Recognize stuff. Because we are in our kingdom is all sufficiency, that we're not having this broken and that troubled and one problem after another and got to go to the emergency room in the middle of night and got to drive over to urgent care. Take my. No, I'm not living that crisis life. Amen. And if I take a vitamin, I take it because I want to. And if I don't take it, it's because I don't want to. I don't derive my health from it. You know, I'm not against taking stuff. But when you start shifting your faith to your powder, you're in trouble. And it is so easy for your faith to drift to the things that you rely on every day. And before long, you don't even have the original version of faith anymore. Amen. I'm not mad. I'm giving us all. Let's straighten up. Let's straighten up. Yeah. Praise the Lord. Because Jesus said it's my best. That none of my children. None of my children ever be sick. Amen. Ever be operated on. I'm not telling you not to have an operation. I'm telling you we need to put our faith on the best. Because you don't drift to the best. You get there by faith.
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You don't float there. You go there on purpose. That we have to set our faith. No more sickness, no operations, no accidents. And I don't have to invite fear. Plead the blood. I do it because I know the blood keeps me. And I say I'm kept by the power of God. I don't have to say no accidents will happen. No, I say I'm kept by the blood. I'm kept by the power of God. I don't get on the negative side and say what I won't have. I get on the positive and stay there and say what I do have. Because many say what they won't have in fear. Stay on the positive side. You don't have to say. You don't have to say. I won't have a drive by shooting or kidnapping or anything else. I don't say what I won't have. Because I'm kept by the positive flow, by the higher flow. I'm kept by the power of God. I don't even have to think about anything happening to my children like that. Amen. Stay on the positive. Stay on the positive. Stop. Say what's against you. What's for you, not what's against you. You heard me say it the other day. That's good, is this. So many people are so troubled by their circumstances because their circumstances are a big deal to them. That's your problem. I want you to know the devil and what he does is no big deal. It is no big deal. Why? Because he's nothing but a. He steals, he kills and destroys. You don't have to have any education. You don't have to have any kind of character. You don't have to have any kind of skill to tear up junk. Yeah, that's right. And that's all he does so good. He is no big deal. You know what the big deal is? The one who builds, the one who makes something. The one who creates something. The one who produces something. Amen.
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All the devil's Done is ever tear down health. All God's ever is give you health. Now that's the big deal. The blood of Jesus. That's the big deal. Healing power, that's the big deal. Provision all Jesus paid for you to have. That's the big deal. And people are troubled by their circumstances because they treat it like it's a big deal. Your opposition is no big deal. The big deal is who's in you and who's for you and what the flow that is yours. That's the big deal. And when you. This is exactly what that woman, when her daughter, she got the report. Your daughter has died. Her head's been cut up off at the top. The frontal lobe came out. All she needs. What'd she do? She treated it. She went right to the big deal. All she needs is a little bit of resurrection power. And she got it. And she got it. It's no big deal that you had an accident, but it swallows up people's whole life. And then it colors things for years and it treats. And it colors how they treat events and how they get in the car and they start pleading the blood over the car. No, you're doing that in fear because they treated a little deal like a big deal. And they treated the big deal like it didn't even matter. Jesus is the big deal. He is the big deal. The blood of Jesus is the big deal. The power of God is the big deal. We are in Christ. That's the big deal. Amen. Everything else is a little deal. And is it? In the book of Isaiah, it says, talking about the devil, we will look upon him narrowly as he is and say, is this the one that deceived the nations?
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Because we made a big deal out of a little deal. And when. I don't care what you feel when you wake up in the morning or something goes wrong, that is such a little deal.
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And I'm tapping into the big deal with my faith. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. In Psalm 105, 37. Psalm 105, verse 37. Thank you, Jesus. And listen, James, James wrote this. He said, is there. Is there any sick among you? Dad Hagin made a statement about that. He said if he was writing to the church today, he'd say, the 80 to 85% of you that are sick, that James said, is there implying that it's possible that there be none? Is there any sick among you? Psalm 105:37 says, God brought them forth also with silver and gold, and there was not one. Not One, not one feeble person among their tribes. See, you can't even watch how Hollywood did the Ten Commandments movie. Can't do it. Because they had them on a wagon pulling some people out. They were laying in the wagon pulling out the elderly out of Egypt. There no wagon, baby.
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I love this. You know what would help is if we say I'm going to Disneyland and I'm not pushing your wheelchair. That's right. So by Disneyland, you be out of that.
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I love. There was one woman, she was diagnosed with, with terminal cancer. She had no insurance, so the doctors wouldn't even treat her. That almost ended up being a kindness to her faith. Because now faith is not confused. Which way do I go? And she was laying on the bed and she was laying on the couch. She's living with her father. She was in her 40s, she's living with her father. She's from a weakened condition. And he walked in and he said, I love this. He walked in and said, physician, heal thyself. And he walked out. Not playing with you. What he's saying, get that word and you deal with it. You deal with it. Within 30 days, it's all gone. Why? Because somebody did not push her around. Yeah, that's right. Somebody was not helping her stay at a low level. He didn't walk in and cry and, you know, lay down there and just weep and intercede. Said, physician, heal thyself. There you go. Such a good word. Amen. Yeah, praise God. I like that. I was listening to one man, he, he wasn't in full time ministry, but he helps the ministry. And he was going through a divorce, a very difficult thing. In the midst of that, he had a physical condition that showed up very serious. And he just went, he was, he went and visited his dad and his dad. He said something to his dad, he said, the doctors have diagnosed me with this and I love the dad's statement. He says, well, we're just not having any of that. That's it. He didn't pray, he didn't labor. You know something? When people start going into great travail and prayer when someone's sick, I wonder, what do you know? What do you know? Come on, come on. You don't pray your way into hell. It's a faith, it's a faith issue. Now if you want to pray and ask God some things about how you got there, that's appropriate, but don't you think that prayer is ever going to do what faith is to do for you? Now the Prayer of faith I'm talking about. Many are trying to pray to get something that only faith. And that man said. He said, I went back to the doctor and he said, I really, you know, he said, I was quite overwhelmed because of what he was going through with his marriage, what he's going through with his body. And he said, he went back to the doctor and the doctor said, clean bill of health. All because the dad said, well, we're just not happy to do that. That's it. Treated it like no big deal. Why does it become big in the eyes of people? Is it because they think what the devil's doing is a big deal? What he's doing is nothing but stealing, killing and destroying. That's no big deal. Any old idiot can do it. Seriously. You don't have to be educated. You don't have to have any kind of value. You don't have to have any kind of moral character. You don't have to have anything to steal, kill and destroy, but to raise and build up, that's God action right there. And that's a big deal. And that's a big deal. Amen. There was a gal on our staff that was with us for years before she moved. And she was adopted from Nicaragua. And her mother had. Her mother ended up dying a few days after she was adopted, her birth mother and she was brought to New York. And her parents were not wealthy. They were, you know, they struggled financially. And when she was about six years old, she started having all kind of muscular problems. And the mother took her to the doctor and the doctor said, she has, I don't know, was it muscular dystrophy or something like that? It's something. Something that was detrimental. And the doctor said, well, she needs braces right now, and for the rest of her life, she's going to need more and more paraphernalia. And it's just going to get worse and worse and worse. And the mother said, thank you very much. She walked out of the doctor's office. They stood in the hall right before you go into the doctor's office. They just walked out of the doctor's office, stood in the hallway, and the mother turned around and said, listen here, little girl, I don't have time for this, and I don't have money for this, and I'm not having this. You're just going to have to get better. She was not born again. She did not know a healing scripture. And our staff member said, I never had another problem. Why? Is it because everyone, every human is the custodian of their body. And they have a right to say, you're not doing that. You can talk to sickness, saved or unsaved, and you can get the results. How much more it'll work for us that have authority and have the name and have the blood. And we say, I'm not putting up with this. We put up with too much. I said we put up with too much. And we talk about having healings and having miracles. Not with people who are putting up with stuff we shouldn't be putting up with. We're not going to be able to be used the way God wants us to be used. We're going to have to put a standard in place. And we say, the kingdom is all sufficient for my life. And we operate from that place because we believe it. We need to build that consciousness in us. Amen. And so here in Psalm 105, he brought them forth all with silver and gold, and there was not one. Not one. And they tell us that there would have been about 3 million Hebrews, but not one. Surely there's somebody that's dragging a leg. No, not one. Surely there's somebody that's crippled over at the waves. No, not one. Not one feeble. Which gives you the idea God doesn't want you to have to haul people around. And it gives you the idea that you don't want to be hauled around. God did not turn us into a liability. We're an asset everywhere we go. And I'm not being unkind and saying that if you need help, you're a liability. I'm saying God will turn you into an asset in every way. Amen. Hallelujah. But not if we put up with stuff. Not if we put up with stuff. Not if we just keep having the same old problems they've always had. And the pill can help us, so we're okay. And all that medical help has lulled us into a low level faith. And all the insurance. I'm not saying don't have insurance. I have insurance. But I believe I never have to use none of it. Keep all the money, I don't give a rip. To sell my body. Right? Amen. Because we have a God that not only heals us, but keeps us. And we have to, in the body of Christ, say, we're reaching for the best. We're reaching for the best. Now Jesus made this statement. He said, it is my best that none of my children ever be sick, ever, ever need an operation, ever be operated on. But he said, but very few ever live in my best. Now that's wrong. That's wrong on our part. And he said, the reason is, number one, most of my children don't know what belongs to them. Number two, if they do know what belongs to them, many of them haven't developed their faith to lay hold of it. So it's not enough that we possess it. We have to learn how to be a partaker of what we possess. Because you can possess something and never partake of it. You say, how can I possess something and not be a partaker? The same way you possess a car and you're not in it right now. Same way you have food in your kitchen and you're not eating it right now. You're in possession of it, but you're not partaking of it. And too many times the word will turn us into partakers, not just possessors. But he made us possessors so we would become partakers. Amen.
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That's right.
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That's right. But he said, number one, most of my children don't live in my bed because, number one, they don't know what belongs to them. Number two, if they do know what belongs to them, they don't develop their faith to partake of it. Number three, disobedience. But the thing is, all three of those are fixable. All three of those are fixable so that we can live in God's best. He's not just dangling his best in front of us and says, look what you don't have. No. He shows us his best so that we will come up and say, I'm not going to settle for anything less. Amen. Amen.
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Amen.
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Amen. Amen. Amen. But I will say this. We walked in the back room and Jesus talked to me about this when we were in St. Petersburg rush in 2018, when he. I had that visitation from him about the price of the double portion anointing. And when I walked in the back room on Monday night and Dr. Winston was back there, one of the first things he said is, he said, when you get further in the things of God, you don't have room for mistakes. So what am I saying? When you're younger, deal with all the mistakes, deal with all the faults, the failures, the weaknesses, because there's not the same root as the glory increases, as the anointing increases. Why? The greater the anointing, the smaller the margin for error. The greater the anointing, the smaller the margin for error. What's that mean? We have to continually come up. We can't talk the way we used to talk 10 years ago. We can't allow our mind to touch into things that we used to be touching into. We can't allow certain disposition. We can't allow ourselves to be complainers and all that stuff. We can't allow certain things because when we start dealing with the purity of what, of this power and of the glory of God, it calls for accuracy, accuracy of thought, accuracy of word. And then he said this to me, the last thing he said in that visitation, he said, walking in a double portion anointing does not require you to be a perfect. And he said, and when I say perfect, I mean without flaw. He said, but it does call for you to be perfectly submitted, meaning you're not kicking against anything. You're in complete compliance with the word, complete compliance with what he's commanded of your life, Complete compliance with the plan of God for your life, not kicking against it. And that's the first thing he told Paul. It's hard for you to kick against the pricks. You're making it hard. If life is hard, we're doing it wrong. It's not because the devil. We're doing it wrong. So just because the way you used to handle situations 10 years ago, you can't keep doing that. You lost your temper and you just kind of. You better get better at that. You better put your foot on the neck of that. Because saying we want to go into the full measure, the full flow. What did it say about in this last day revival, the gifts, the fivefold ministry gifts, operating at full potential power. But then we have to be. We have to be living at full potential, accuracy of the word. And we have the holy Ghost to do that. We can't be easy on ourselves.
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Paul.
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Paul said, I buffet my body. He was not permissive towards any weakness in him because he knew the devil would exploit that weakness. And what Dr. Sumrall said, he said, what you don't master when you're young will rule you when you're old. And I've seen it. What you don't master when you're young will rule you when you're old. Don't let ways of youngness. We have to become more accurate and more skillful because our health is connected to it. Living in God's best is connected to us coming up, contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. When God might have said, go to the doctor 10 years ago, he might not tell you that now. And we better have our faith in place. Why? Because he expects more of us. Praise the Lord. You just follow the way the Holy Ghost tells you. But sometimes the Holy Ghost has to counsel us at a low level. Right, Come on now, you're helping me. Because he's not going to counsel us above where our faith will go. That's right. And he has to stay on a lower plane of dealing with us sometimes. Well, praise the Lord. Yes, these are Holy Ghost meetings. But here again, he brought them forth also with silver and gold, and there was not one feeble person among them. Now remember, well, remember about this. These are slave bodies. These aren't bodies who have been treated kindly. They've been abused, they've been overworked, they've been neglected, they haven't been treated right. They didn't have proper medical treatment, proper nourishment. They have been. They have. They are lowest level of society of how they've treated their bodies, how their bodies have been treated. And yet there's not one feeble, not one feeble in God's best. Not one feeble. Not one feeble. Amen. And I'm going to read what I. I think I read it maybe Sunday morning or Sunday night, but I'm going to do it again because it gives us all a swift kick in the fake pants.
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Amen. Amen.
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When Dakes in his Bible referring to this not one feeble one among them, he said the reason there was not one feeble person in all their tribes was because God healed them. Such is the will of God for men under the new covenant. How many of you know they were under old covenant, but under the new covenant, God's will did not diminish. Amen. Such is the will of God for men under the covenant which is based upon better promises and is more glorious in power and provision than the old Mosaic covenant. So they walked out with the wealth and silver and gold of a nation and the health of God in their body under an old covenant. And then Dakes goes on and says, it is to the shame of the Church to fall so far behind Israel in receiving promised benefits. Is it not logical that New Covenant saints should meet the physical and spiritual qualifications of the Old Covenant? What then is wrong with the Church? That's what Dake said. What then is wrong with the Church that it does not get the superior blessing New covenant. It is because of unbelief and widespread rebellion against the teaching of the Word. Amen. We need to check ourselves. Amen. Not to diminish us, but to press to come up, press against opposition, press against wrong things, press against how we have lulled Ourselves. Amen. Amen. We look for the day when you call for a healing line, and it's only the unsaved that come up and get in. Amen. Praise God. Amen. That's what belongs to us. It doesn't belong to us. Listen, there's no expiration date on divine health. But you follow, you watch it. You watch all the commercials and stuff. And, brother, they'll have you on. They'll have you on collapsible canes that fold up in your purse and think that they've done you a favor. And you think, oh, isn't that nifty? No, that's not nifty. That's below what I've been raised to. Amen. And when Brother Norville is in his Baptist days and he was dealing with his daughter who had 47 growths on her hands, and he's saying, God, heal her. Oh, God, heal her. Oh, God, heal her. Oh, God, heal her. Well, he had a longing to have something better. But you have to know the ways of God. Amen. How does God do it? It's not enough to know his will. You have to know how. You have to know the ways of God. The will of God is only arrived at through the ways of God. And so he didn't know the way. He just talked about the will. Oh, God. Healer, Healer. Well, he knew God wanted her healed, but he didn't know the ways. So he's off on God. God, just do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Oh, God, do it, do it. And so he was so persistent that because he kept asking, at least God showed him. And so he's walking through his living room. He's taking a step as he's praying. Oh, God, heal Zona. Oh, God, heal Zona. Oh, God, heal Zona. And he's taking one step in the living room. The next step, he finds he's in heaven and he's before Jesus. And Jesus said, how long are you going to put up with those growths on your daughter's body? What are you living with? And we need to say to ourselves, how long am I going to put up with this? How long am I going to put up with this? Because if we don't say it to ourself, the devil will get the upper hand and energize that. Yes, he will. Yep. Yep. And Jesus basically taught him, you're of the authority in your home. You deal with that with your authority. And he was waiting for God to do it. And that's where most Christians still sit, even word of faith people. They're still waiting for God to do something. But you are in a kingdom of all sufficiency. There's nothing left to be yet done except you lay hold of the sufficiency of that kingdom and quit looking outside the kingdom for relief. The devil will give you relief all day long, just so you never arrive at real victory. He'll offer you relief. He sure will. Amen. But it's too easy on us to just deal with things in the natural. But when we say easy, it's really not easy. That means for the moment, but in the long term, it's sabotaging our faith. It's sabotaging our faith. Amen. And so he came back from that experience, and he did not. He walked right into Zona's bedroom. She was there with a friend. And he walked in and cursed those. And those things did not immediately disappear. But for the next 40 days, he said, thank God she's healed. Thank God she's healed. Thank God she's healed. Within 40 days, they all instantly disappeared in a moment. But he had to quit putting up with it. He had to quit putting up with it. We have to quit putting up. Quit putting up with it. Why? Because there's a higher flow for us. And if we're not going to deal with it in our body, how are we ever going to arrive there? With our finances and with our ministries and with the buildings God has for us. We've got to quit putting up with. Quit putting up with us paying another man's mortgage. Us just in the back room of somebody else's building.
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Amen. Come on.
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Amen. That's so true. How long are we going to put up with that? God will let us pay another man's mortgage for decades. But when we say, wait a minute, there's a sufficiency in the plan of God, that buildings belong to me, properties belong to me. Everything that I need to accomplish the will of God. But it's going to come because we're contending earnestly for the faith that was once delivered. The original version, not the diluted version, not the preached down version, and not the mentally analyzed version. Well, praise the Lord. I hope I'm not the only one being righteously miffed right now. I'm not mad at anybody. You know, I'm not trying to. I'm not saying it this way. I'm saying it this way. Let's all come up. I'm not doing this to you. I'm saying let's go to the Highest flow. Amen. We've got to quit being okay with what belongs to the world. It's a low flow that belongs to them, not to us. Not to us. Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. So listen to this. Colossians 2, verse 9, the Living Bible. For in Christ there is all of God in a human body. Talking about his human body, verse 10. So you have everything when you have Christ and you are filled with God through your union. Let's talk about. That's the big deal. I'm one with the Father, he's one with me. That is the big deal. And everything for my life flows out of that union. And I don't need to go to the world to get a support system. Have all the pets you want, but don't you ever bring a support pet in here. What is that called? The support animal. Emotional support animal. Emotionally support. Might take that dog out. That dog come up, say, would you please deliver me from this? How low do we sink? I'm talking about in the body of Christ. Well, see, we find that comical. I know some people. That's a big deal. That's serious. I'm not mocking people, but I'm saying that flow doesn't belong. That shouldn't even be something. But can I tell you this? Are we letting the medical field be that emotional support animal to us? I'm not against them. I'm not saying don't use them. I'm saying let's not stay there. Let's not stay there, Because how are we ever going to minister there if we don't even go there? First Corinthians, chapter 3, verse 21. First Corinthians 3. 21. The Living Bible. First Corinthians, 3. 21. This is the living Bible translation. It says Paul is writing. So don't be proud of following the wise men of this world, for God has already given you everything you need. He has given you Paul and Apollos and Peter as your helpers. Oh, look at that. In giving you everything you need, he gave you men filled with himself. Part of what you need is men that know God better than you. And he's given you that in your pastor. Your pastor is that someone that knows God better than you, and you need them and he gave them. That's why a preacher will get up and he's preaching one direction. All of a sudden he goes off as what dad Hagen called a rabbit trail. What was it? Because the preacher belongs to the people in that service, and their questions are calling out for the answers. That you carries. And so they drift into other statements and they go back to their sermon because they're helping. Don't neglect the helping men. God filled men. Men that know God better than you. Amen. So he said. He has given you.
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Look.
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He gave you. You know how you never become offended with your preacher call Yours. He has given you Paul and Apollos and Peter as your helpers. He has. Look at this. He has given you the whole world to use. Not for the world to use you, but you use the world. Amen. And life and even death are your servants. What's this mean? You say. You say when I leave. I say when I leave. No symptoms. Listen. The devil is always trying to get you to change your will. He can't change your will, but he puts pressure on your mind to try to get you to lower your will. That's why it says in Proverbs 4, verse 20, My son, attend to my words. Why? Because God's words will keep your will in the flow of God's will. The words of pain, the words of symptoms, the words of circumstances, the words of pressure will try to get you to change your will to something lower. No. I'm in command. I'm in command of life and death. You know something doesn't take something. Jesus showed us he had to lay down his life. Why? Because it couldn't take it. Death couldn't take it. He had to choose. Yeah, it says so. He has given you the whole world to use. And life and even death are your servants. Many think that they have no choice. They're letting these things boss them around. They're letting the things of the world boss them around. They're letting the habits of the flesh boss them around. They're letting the sin flow of the world boss them around. They're letting porno thing blossom around in their mind and trouble their mind. They're letting all these things boss them around. Yeah, you kick it back. He has given you all of the present and all of the future. Look at that. Notice he didn't mention any of your past. He didn't give you that. He took that. He took that. Praise God. He's given you all of the future. All are yours. And you belong to Christ. And Christ is God's. Yeah, look at that. And then look at this. Second Peter, chapter one. Second Peter, chapter one, Verse two. King James translation Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge. Yeah. Knowledge runs out ignorance. Right. Grace and peace is multiplied to you as you run out ignorance. And through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, or what belongs to you, because you are one with the Father and you are in Christ.
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Amen.
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Grace and peace is multiplied to you when you understand that. Verse 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue, whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises that by these we might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. The corruption of the world does not belong to us. Yeah. Amen.
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Amen.
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In Second Corinthians 9, 8. Don't just limit this. I know the setting is referring to finances, but it's still the flow of the kingdom. 2 Corinthians, chapter 9. The King James and God is able to make all grace abound to you that you always having.
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Always.
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Always having. Always having. Look at this. Always having what all. Always having all. All what all Sufficiency, spiritually, mentally, physically, materially. I always have all I need. I always have it. I always have. Well, it doesn't look like it. I talk it and it shows up. The amplified classic. And God is able to to make all grace, every favor and earthly blessing come to you in abundance.
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Ah.
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So that you may always and under all circumstances, in the face of all circumstances, no matter what shows up always and under all circumstances, and whatever the need, be self sufficient, possessing enough, look at this. To require no age. You know what all medical help is? Aid. Aid. Yes, it is. That's right. We can say I require no aid. You can look at the pills that you've had taken for years and say, I don't require this aid. Go ahead and take it. But keep saying, I don't require this aid. I don't require this aid. And all of a sudden the need for that aid will break off of you when you recognize that you don't require it anymore. I require no aid.
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Amen.
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Amen. I require no aid or support and I'm furnished in abundance for every good work. What about the good work of carrying out the plan of God for your life? That's a good work, don't you think? Yeah. Praise the Lord. Our kingdom is all sufficient. I said our kingdom is all sufficient. Quit putting up with how long. How long what? Jesus said to brother in law, how long are you going to put up with? How long? And then you fill in the blank. How long am I going to put up with my flesh pushing me around? How long am I going to Put up with that habit, robbing me of the highest flow. How long am I going to put up with that temper? How long am I going to put up with that undisciplined thought life you see? How long? Till you decide you're done with it? Till you decide you're done with it. Hallelujah. Well, are you helped tonight? I really had a sweeter sounding sermon. But you know what? There's too much available to us to allow ourselves to be cheated of it. Amen. Hallelujah. When Jesus. When mama Jenkins was 62 years old and she was sitting in a wheelchair, blind, in a wheelchair, unable to walk and blind. And Jesus stood in front of her and said, what are you doing in this wheelchair? Meaning you know too much. You have too much. And she lived to be a hundred. Got up out of that wheelchair until her dying day. She drove herself across country to go preach. Nobody with her at 104. That's what I'm talking about. Requiring no aid, no support. Not because you're using lack of wisdom, but you're not leaning. You're not a leaner. You're not a leaner. I'm not a leaner because in me is all sufficiency. Amen. I'm not leaning on the pity, on the sympathy of others. Amen. Praise the Lord. Well, the Lord is good. Stand with me if you would. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. The Lord is good. Praise the Lord. I'm done putting up with. And then make your list for 20, 26. It's not a New Year's resolution. It's a lifelong resolution. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Let's do something, David. Do something, brother. Do something. Give me all the singers come up here and we'll do something. We'll do something.
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Here you at.
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Say again. Hey, put her on. Praise God. Last night, yesterday in the meetings came up songs. Songs have been coming up songs. There's been enough word in here for us to write a hunter songs this week. Hallelujah. But songs coming up from the. The spirit of God makes a difference. That we sing it, that we say it, that we just don't hear it, but that it gets in our mouth and that it gets in our. Our. When we walk out the door and the enemy when. When sorrow or when heaviness or when a symptom or something comes.
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That it's in our mouth. That it's in our mouth with a song. That we never just come in and sing and let it fly by, but that we come in and say, I will lift my hands. I will lift my voice. I will sing what was preached tonight. Imperative that it be in our mouth, that it be in the song, that it be in us. Ha ha. And it's been stuck on the inside of me. It's time to move up and it's time to step in. It's time to step into a greater flow where we only win. It's time to speak the word, do the things we've heard. It's time to walk in a new level, not be concerned or consumed with some defeated devil.
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I keep hearing this.
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I'm moving up in the spirit. I'm moving up in the Word. I'm moving up in 20, 26. I'm gonna do those things that I know and that I've heard. Oh, God, I'm moving up. I'm moving up in here because he has already raised me up, Praise God, into a place where I win. I'm moving up in the spirit, Moving up in the flow. Moving up in the mighty power of the Holy Ghost. I'm taking my place I've been raised taking my place in Christ today. I'm moving up. I'm moving up. Come on, come on, come on. I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up. I'm taking my place in Christ to rule and reign. I'm using his name, using my authority I'm not gonna stay the same. Moving up, moving up, moving up. Sickness is under my feet Defeat is under my feet. Sorrow, poverty, they're under my feet. I've been raised in Christ to reign and he's given me his name. I'm moving up and I'm taking my place Come on. I'm moving up in the spirit Moving up, moving up. I'm moving up, moving up. Oh, tonight not going to be sad no, not going to be mad not look at my past I'm moving forward, taking my place in Christ. Come on, say I'm moving up. I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up, moving up right here tonight I'm taking my place running my race by his grace and mercy in this place.
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I'm moving up.
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Haight in Christ listen the devil, he's defeated. You've been raised and you've been seated Come on, come on Tonight say I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up. Gonna take my place where I rule and reign in him. He has called me to victory he has called me to win I'm moving up Moving up in here Somebody ought to shout. Somebody ought to dance Somebody else say it belongs to me tonight yes, it does yes, it does yes, tonight. Come on. I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm taking what he has bought for me I rule and reign Come on I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I am moving up in Christ today oh, come on, let's just shout somebody. Oh, yeah. It'll make you happy make you full of joy yes, it will there's one more thing.
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I kept hearing this, too.
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I'm moving up a higher plane and ba da da da da A higher place than I had found Lord, plant my feet and I'm yeah On higher ground Lord, lift me up. Got together yet Lord, lift me up Lord, lift me up and make me stay and let me stand on heaven's table Heaven's table. Higher place. My feet on higher One more time Lord, lift Lord, lift me up Lord, lift me up and make me yes, let me stand on heaven's table Heaven's table A higher flame. Come on, say it Fl my feet on higher ground Come on I move I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up I'm moving up A higher place Better way than I had Now I. Ground. Yeah.
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Hallelujah. Now, let me say this. People say, I know I need to change, Pastor. I know I need to come up. I know things need to change. You don't change it by just wanting to do better. You change it by saying the word. You say the word, you lay the word on it. You lay the word on it. You lay the word on it. You lay the word on it. You lay the word on it. It's not enough for you to want to be different or want that to be different or want that to change. You lay the word on it. Amen. The word changes it. Amen. Jesus said in John, chapter 15, verse 3, you are made clean by the word that I have spoken unto you. So you lay the word on it. Get the word in your mouth. Get the word in your mouth. Get the word in your mouth. Get the word in your mouth and don't back off of it. Amen. Well, tomorrow night, we're going to lay hands on anyone who needs healing. But tonight, if you say, pastor Nancy, I cannot be here tomorrow night, But I want hands laid on me for healing. Now, you want to come back tomorrow night, and if you're able to be ministered to then. But tonight, if you say I cannot, there's no way I can come back tomorrow night. We'll minister to you tonight. Is there anybody in here that. That would be you? Raise your hand real high. Let me see if that's anybody in here tonight. Hallelujah. Oh, good. So you're all coming back tomorrow night. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. And you know what? You say I can't come back tomorrow night. Well, change your schedule. Seriously, these things matter. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Are you helped tonight? Do I need to do anything else? You do? Anything. Okay. Praise the Lord. We're just not having any of that anymore. Just not gonna have that. Just not gonna have that. I'm not putting up with that anymore. Amen. Because my kingdom is all sufficient. My. I don't have to go outside my kingdom. Amen. It's all sufficient. Praise the Lord. Well, turn to somebody before you're dismissed and say, I always have all sufficiency and you can be dismissed. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us at defrainministries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings. Share your testimony, become a partner, or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries.
Date: January 20, 2026
Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Pastor Nancy Dufresne passionately challenges believers to contend for "the highest flow" of faith—living in the full sufficiency of God's kingdom and refusing to settle for less. The message emphasizes returning to raw, undiluted faith, not relying on the world’s substitutes (medicine, outward help, or emotional props), and living out the best that God has for His children in every aspect: health, provision, and authority.
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“We need to stop looking outside the kingdom for sufficiency because our kingdom is all sufficient because we are in the kingdom of more than enough.” — Nancy Dufresne [02:50]
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“I'm not against insurance, I'm not against health plans, but too many of us are using it. Have it, but don't need it. That's right. … There used to be a mindset that God is enough.” — Nancy Dufresne [05:35]
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"If you preach divine healing and medicine, you will have to live by divine healing and medicine. He said, that's why I preach divine healing, because I don't want to live by medicine. I want to live by divine healing only." — Nancy Dufresne recalling Kenneth E. Hagin, [10:50]
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"You worked this on my mother. You'll never work it on me. … I have angels that bear me up in their hands so I don't even stub my toes. … Recognize stuff. Because we are in our kingdom is all sufficiency, that we're not having this broken and that troubled and one problem after another..." — Nancy Dufresne [28:57]
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"When you start shifting your faith to your powder, you're in trouble. And it is so easy for your faith to drift to the things that you rely on every day. And before long, you don't even have the original version of faith anymore." — Nancy Dufresne [29:04]
Memorable Quote:
“Your opposition is no big deal. The big deal is who's in you and who's for you and what the flow that is yours. That's the big deal.” — Nancy Dufresne [33:04]
Quote from Dake’s Bible commentary:
“It is to the shame of the Church to fall so far behind Israel in receiving promised benefits. … It is because of unbelief and widespread rebellion against the teaching of the Word.” — Nancy Dufresne [50:46]
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"You change it by saying the word. You say the word, you lay the word on it." — Nancy Dufresne [79:37]
Passionate, direct, sometimes humorous, and always faith-filled. Nancy frequently admonishes herself and the congregation (“I’m kicking myself in the faith pants!”), and calls for active, joyful, and expectant faith. The tone is both exhortative and inviting—never shaming, but calling up to a higher standard.
Nancy Dufresne’s message is a clarion call to reject spiritual complacency, settle for nothing less than God’s best, and operate every day out of the fullness and all-sufficiency of the kingdom. Through scripture, testimonies, and persistent encouragement, she equips and inspires listeners to contend for original, undiluted faith—a faith that manifests in complete victory, healing, and provision.
Listen to the full message for an empowering, faith-stirring challenge to “move up” in Christ and experience a life of true sufficiency!