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Progressing In The Healing Anointing | Nancy Dufresne | Paducah, Kentucky | JTH Crusades 2025 | Wednesday PM
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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. You know, Jesus went to the temple and he wasn't pleased with what he saw there on one occasion, and he started breaking furniture, turning over tables, and that would have been a sight to behold, Right? Made a whip. Steven says that's a little bit of a process. Do that. And he's going through there like we're swinging because he said, my Father's house is a house of prayer, and you made it a den of feast. So what was. Was being robbed of its highest pur. And Jesus was not okay when God's temple was being robbed of its highest purpose. Well, I want you to know you're the temple. And Jesus is not okay when something tries to rob his temple of its highest purpose. Right. How many of you know, sickness and disease and symptoms and pain are trying to rob the temple of its highest purpose? And he's not okay with that. Amen. And what Morgan said, if you weren't here the other morning, you have to take your mind and beat it with the word, right? Take your body and beat it with the healing word. Beat those symptoms out. I mean, drive them. Drive them out, drive them out. Jesus told us and showed us and demonstrated how to deal with something that's trying to rob the temple of its highest purpose. And we can't be apathetic or half hearted, but we're aggressive and we're bold to not allow the temple to be robbed from. Because when the temple is robbed from, God's not getting his way, and we want God to have his way. Amen. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. So we deal with intruders the same way Jesus dealt with them. Amen. Kicking over, meaning aggressive. In the kingdom of heaven, it suffereth violence. What's that mean? It invites it. And then it tells what. What kind of violence? The violence of faith. And then it tells us what violent faith will do. The kingdom of heaven suffered violence and the violent. Take it, take it, take it. It's a violent taking. And God is pleased with that. Not taking it from God, but taking it back from the devil and taking our place in him, in God. Taking our place in Christ, taking our place in healing, taking our place in blessing. Amen. So it's up to us to do some taking. I said it's up to us to do some taking. And we take the word and we just make a wh. And we just start driving things out that we've been passive toward. And what we put up with. You'll remember Brother Norville's testimony that when his daughter Zona had, what was it, 43, 47 something growths on her hands, and he was the best he knew how, saying, oh, God, heal her. Oh, God, heal her. And he was so persistent in it that heaven had to answer. Didn't answer it with healing power. It answered it with correct and instruction. You know, when you don't know, even if you're doing it wrong, if you'll just stay with it, God will see the sincerity and bring you into what you need to know to be effective. So he did all he knew, and it wasn't enough. But if he kept doing all he knew, then God had permission, you know, to meet him and to help bring him into it. Because it's still faith. Faith to move forward. Even if not faith to receive. Faith to move forward. Kept saying and he kept saying and he kept saying. And so all of a sudden, he's walking through his house one day, and he's walking through the den, and he takes one step in his den, and the next step, he was in heaven, and he was before Jesus. And Jesus said, how long are you going to put up with those growths on your daughter's body? And he said, what? He said, how long are you going to put up with. So he was letting them know it's not about heaven doing something. It's about, what are you going. What are you going to do about this? And thank God we're learning what to do. Amen. We're learning what to do. Amen. Well, you can be seated. Praise the lord. Thank you, Ms. Reba. Thank you, Brother David and Destiny and all those. All those. All those songs, I think they either came out of Dottie or Reba. Is that right? All those that we heard that I Go to the Rock is. It's Mama, you know, it's such an anthem for the church and such a standard, but we don't really realize we got the author's daughter in here and. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Turn with me again. Let's go to Luke chapter four. Sometimes I have to get in the room to see what direction to take. And I got in the room and found out what direction to take. Hallelujah. Aren't you glad you're in the room tonight? I'm just glad I'm in the room tonight. Whoo. There are so many of you that travel distances just to be in the room. Well, God bless you. That blesses us. Hallelujah. Hungry people are great to feed. Yeah. There was on one occasion, the granddaughter of Smith Wigglesworth was invited to open a convention. On one occasion, a minister's convention. And when she was praying and opening the convention, she opened her eyes and Jesus had pulled up a chair and was sitting in the middle of the aisle. And I love the story, what he said to her. He said, tell me your stories. Because in telling the stories, heaven wants to hear what you remember about what heaven did for you. And Jesus wanted to hear her tell the stories. How much we loved when we would hear. I was born again at 20 minutes till 8 in the south bedroom of 405 North College street in the city of McKinney, Texas. And if we didn't hear that referred to in a crusade, we were cheated. Like you didn't tell us, you know, so brother Hagin's testimony, he told it over and over. And in telling the testimony testimony, he wasn't talking about himself. He was showing you how God moves in the life of his people. And it's not just about advertising somebody's life. It's about us hearing answers for our own life by listening to how God moved in someone else's life. And testimony is huge in the kingdom. It's huge in the kingdom. And when you have somebody like Paul who walked in, great revelation of the Word and he had the opportunity to be in front of King Agrippa, he did not pull out a deep revelation. He went back to, I was on the road to Damascus and there shined a light roundabout. And my husband made this statement on one occasion. He said, preachers, tell your testimony, then watch what God does. Your congregation's pastor need to know your testimony. They need to hear the journey. They need to hear what God said to you that got you to the place you're at. They need to hear what opposed you and what you did in the face of that opposition. They need to hear how you got out the whip, made the whip and started whipping it started kicking over tables. They need to hear how you started. Because faith is a walk. It's not just an arrival. That's right. It's a walk. It's a daily walk. And I remember something God said to me years ago. He said, receiving a manifestation of an answer is what everyone is focused on, which is completely correct. It's the Word. But he said, standing on the Word is as much a part of the Word as receiving a manifestation is part of the Word. So it's not just the arrival at something and the manifestation of something. We should have that. But I'm saying we also have to know that there's a process. What do you do in the passing of time? Because God has spoken some things in past ages that still have yet to come to pass. And he's holding fast. Amen. But to our redemption, there doesn't have to be a long process of standing, but just walking out this lifestyle of victory. There is a process knowing what to do in the time from the time you release your faith to the time you arrive at what your faith laid hold of. Amen. So that's why, pastors, your congregation needs to know your testimony. They need to know how you made it, how you almost missed it, and how the Holy Ghost kept you from missing it because you're not so great in faith. It's God's faith you're using anyway. So we can't take credit. Well, by faith, I did. No, by faith, God did. By faith, he put his faith in you that you're spending. So we gotta leave giving ourselves credit out out of that testimony. But we do have to show how God moves in men's lives. And I so appreciate that. Joel Osteen. Excuse me, John Osteen. Pastor John. Before his son took over the pastorate, John Osteen had so taught his congregation his testimony that he would say the opening phrase and they would say the second phrase, he would say the third phrase, they would say the fourth phrase, he would say the fifth phrase, they would say the sixth phrase, why he was driving God's dealings and a man's life in them. So that when they're at a time of crisis and emergency, they are already stocked with knowing what God will do in your life at a time of opposition. And you have to drive these truths into people's hearts, and you do it by driving it into their hearings. You have to hear over and over and over and over. And so you will hear something different every time you hear the same testimony. Why is that? Because you're at a different place of spiritual development. And every time we're at a different place of spiritual development, we hear something more. We hear something different. We have something that lands in us. So that's why you are to preach pastors, the same things over and over and over. And dad Hagin taught us, don't be afraid of that. Amen. And so Paul, when he stood before King Agrippa, he told his testimony, because if the King could hear how God moved in Paul's life, then the King has a sampling, an example of what God will do for all men. Amen. Who will respond to him, who will yield to him. And I love something that there was in centuries past, there was someone who was a spiritual force, a spiritual voice, and God spoke to them to go tell the man who sat on the throne of France that God was going to use him a certain way. And whenever this person said that to this man who was in leadership, who was ruling France at that time, the leader said to this spiritual leader said, you say God said that to you? Yes, God said that to me. Well, why doesn't he say it to me? And she said, oh, he does talk to you. You just haven't spent the time listening for him that I have. That's it. Come on. And people need to hear what God has said to you so that they recognize what God is saying to them. Boy. That's right. Amen. Amen. You'll remember that there was a famine in the days of Elijah. And God told him, go dwell by the brook, Cherith. And he drank of the brook. And twice a day the birds brought him meat and bread fully cooked. Why you can't bring flour and drop it like as a bird. It's got to be cooked for it to even be able to be carried. You carry it so it's cooked food. And I love what I think, Pastor Amy said. She said, I like thinking it was off of King Ahab's table. Everybody else is starving, but the king's eating good. So the bird went and helped themselves and came and fed the prophet of God. But then the water dried up, the river dried up, the brook dried up. And when the brook dried up, Elijah started asking questions. When something's drying up, find out why. Don't just sit by the brook, say, well, God told me to be here. God told him to be here. But he was also listening for the next thing God may tell him, amen. And so don't get rutted where God tells you to be, because a different season will send you sometimes in a different direction. And so he was by the brook, Cherith. It dried up. And so he said, what next, God? He said, I have commanded a widow woman in Zarephath to sustain thee. He just said, a widow woman. He didn't tell the prophet, she's starving, and she's got a child that's starving. Now you go receive your offering of them. And so when he gets to the city and he recognizes the woman, he recognizes who she is. She's gathering sticks, and he says, go fetch me some water. She goes to do that. That's a Public resource. Of course it's a public resource and shortage at that time, but it is a public resource. And so she goes with that argument. While she's on her way, he calls after and says, Anne, by the way, go bring me a piece of bread to eat, bake me something and bring it back. Now we got an argument. Because now you just stepped into my household. Yeah, right. Those are my personal resources, you see. And so then out of fear, she told him how she couldn't. But the thing is, she had all the resources to do what the prophet said. She had every bit of the resources. The problem was she had dog eared those resources for her own plan. See, when God tells you to do something, you say I can't do that. Yeah, if you'll get your dog ear off of, you know. And so anyway, so when the prophet told her what to do, remember what God said to the prophet? I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee. So the prophet could absolutely think, well when I get there, she's going to be expecting me. Because she's already been commanded. She's going to recognize that God spoke to her, maybe showed her a, a picture, a face of him in the dream or something. And she's there waiting and saying, God commanded me take care of you. Come on in, I got your food ready. But that's not any of it. She acted like she didn't even know what he's talking about. Now notice. But God had commanded her. What was it she needed? A man of God who knew God's voice to help her identify what God had already commanded of her because she didn't recognize it until the man of God, Amen. Gave utterance to it. That's why you need a pastor. That's exactly right. Amen. Amen. And that's why your pastor needs to tell the testimonies of his life and God's dealings. Because it's going to help you recognize. Oh, that's what God meant when he said that to me three years ago. Or that's what God wanted me to do when he gave this command. Because you'll hear like things like dealing with amen in the testimonies of your men of God. And so you need to. And don't, ladies, don't get, don't twitch over me not saying women of God. Don't get legalistic with me. When the Word is talking about a man, he's talking about mankind. You're part of it. So don't get into the women's lib thing. That stuff doesn't spend. And, yeah, if you'll ignore you're a woman, you know, others won't trip up over it. Yeah, seriously. I mean, I pastored for 25 years, and, you know, one guy said to me, he said, I don't believe in women preachers. I said, me neither. I don't believe in them. And I said, you know what else? I don't believe in men preachers. I said, I believe in anointed ones. Let's just cut all that mess out. Yeah. And so King Agrippa heard how God appeared to a man and set his life on course. Because God wanted to interrupt every man's life with his own purpose and bring him into his plan. So Jesus pulled up a chair that day and said to the granddaughter of Smith Wigglesworth, tell me your stories. So Heaven wanted to hear what she remembered and what she magnified of Heaven's movement in her life. Her stories, no doubt, were connected to her grandfather, who was the beginner of this flow of faith that got passed to generations. Well, I can't tell my testimony without going back to the beginner of it. And it is my husband who God visited in very spectacular ways because we're receiving in these services of something that didn't originate here with me, but originated with God's dealings in the life of my husband. And he taught us through what he learned. He taught us how to move with it, too. And we're receiving of his skill that he passed on to those of us who became his students. Amen. And so that's why you need to know the testimonies of those that God's put in your life, because it's going to be an instruction to you of how you're to move forward with God and what you're building. Amen. So you've heard the testimony, you're going to hear it again. Because your ears have grown up since the last time you've heard us. Your ears have matured. Hopefully you're developing and you're going to hear something. And know this, you don't just have to hear tonight what comes out of my mouth. Because the Spirit can say to you things that never came out of my mouth tonight. And in the atmosphere of the Word, you hear more words. In the atmosphere of Revelation, you hear further revelation. Amen. And In Luke chapter 4, verse 16, it reads, and Jesus came to Nazareth where he had been brought up, and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day. Now, see, people can say, I can be a Christian and not Go to church. Yes, that's true. But you can't be like Jesus and not go to church. Because Jesus went to church as was his custom. And if Jesus, the Son of God, the word of God, the bread of life, the light of the world, needed to go to church and submit to the leader of the synagogue, ringy dingy, we got a winner. That's what you need to. Right. If anybody could have bypassed the need for a local church, it would have been Jesus. And he didn't bypass it. And he stood up for to read. Now know this. It didn't shock the people that he stood up to read. So evidently that would have been a practice of his role in the synagogue because no one was baffled that he stood up to read. And verse 17. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias or Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written. It's real important to find. To find yourself in the Word. It's real important to turn to the Word and not just turn to your memory. Amen. Because when it goes in your eyes, you're giving God another opportunity to minister something further to you. So he found the place where it was written. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me. Listen, this is not the first time he had found it. No doubt he's reading Isaiah, Lamb taken, you know, to the slaughter. And all this laid upon him, that he was marred more than any man. He didn't even resemble a man. And no doubt he's saying because he was not born knowing who he was, he had to find himself in the Word, just like you and I. He grew in wisdom. He wasn't born with it. He grew in it. What wisdom? The wisdom of who he was in the Word. No doubt he's reading that for the first time at we don't know what age. And says, father, who's that talking about son? That's you. And he finds himself in the Word as the Lamb slain. And so he gets up and this is not his first time. He agrees with this. In verse 18, the spirit of the Lord is upon me. Listen, don't devalue. Let me talk to preachers. It'll get you in big trouble in many ways to start diminishing and devaluing the office you're called to and the anointing upon you. And it's not humility to devalue the anointing and the call. That's not humility. It's a strategy of the devil. And I'm not talking about being prideful and boasting and announcing it. I'm talking about not stepping back from it because it'll open the door to the devil on you. And so Jesus was not stepping back from. From this truth. The spirit of the Lord is upon me. And then he gave the job description of the anointing, of all that the anointing would accomplish through him. And he said, because he has anointed me to number one, preach the gospel to the poor. We said it the other night. What the poor need is the gospel. Money's not the cure for lack. The gospel's the cure for lack. If you're going to give people money, don't just give them money. Give them the cure. Or they're going to be back at your door needing more money. So preach the gospel to the poor. He sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives. And what does that mean, proclaim? To preach is to proclaim. So you proclaim to people that are bound. Did you know you're free? That's what he's saying here. I'm here to announce to those who are held captive, you're already free. I make you free. Recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book and he gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened upon him. And he began to say unto them, this day is this scripture, it's fulfilled. I'm the fulfillment. I'm the channel. I'm a carrier of the anointing that's going to do this in humanity. And none of them said, praise God, there's help that has arrived. No, they rose up. The entire congregation rose up, unified together, to go take him to the brow of a hill to push him off the cliff. Evidently they weren't hurting that bad. Because if you could have grabbed hold and said, I need healing and he's anointed for that. That had to be a devil to get you that stupid. Devils turn you so stupid. Oh, yes. Yes, they do. Yep. That you would take your answer and say, I'll throw it off a cliff. You'd take your help and dispose of it. Only a devil can make you that stupid. Right. And the devil got them in quick unit against him, took him to the brow of the hill. The King James said that he walked through the midst of them. In other words, they couldn't touch him. One translation said, he disappeared and showed up in another city, however God did it, they could not carry out their plan. Because no matter how many people the devil gets on his team to oppose, you can't win against anointing. Can't win against the anointing. And so Jesus on one occasion, now think of this, preached this sermon, and the devil gets all the people to take him to the edge of the hill to push him off. Why? He didn't just not like the sermon. He didn't like the anointing. It's the anointing that undoes everything. The devil's been working for years and decades and in families to bind people up with fear and sickness and strife and confusion. And he works for years and years to get people entrenched in that flow so that they begin to call it normal. And then one moment of contact with the anointing undoes everything in one moment. What the devil took years and decades to try to accomplish. No wonder we got to get this guy pushed off the cliff. So the devil was trying to intimidate Jesus through this crowd. Well, he would not be intimidated. Amen. Listen, when somebody does pastors, when somebody doesn't like your church and they leave your church, don't go home and say, well, maybe I shouldn't pastor. Don't use those tactics of unsoundness to try to get you to question the anointing on your life and the call on your life. I love what Ed would say to some people in his first church when he pastored that they would say, you know, we're leaving the church. You know, they're trying to hurt his feelings. He said, good, we need your seat. And so instead of turning and maybe I'm just not doing good, Jesus didn't even examine himself at this point. I'm not saying you shouldn't examine yourself. If you're messing up, examine yourself. But he did not automatically turn in on himself. And so on one occasion, when Jesus appeared to dad Hagin, Jesus said to Brother Hagin, this is the first sermon I preached in every city because I've got to announce to them what I'm anointed for so that they will have faith for it. They have to join their faith to that anointing on me. And if they don't know I'm anointed to do this, they won't have faith to receive of it. So he said, I would announce it. What's that mean? Jesus preached the same sermon every single preachers. It's all right to repeat. So he would announce this in every city. What Made him think the second city he went to to preach it, what's going to happen in this city? The devil was hoping to intimidate him to not preach that again. Because there's life in that, there's answers in that, there's anointing in that. And he does not want that announced. And so he's threatening him. So Jesus had the faith to say, I know what I'm preaching in every city. He didn't care who didn't receive it. He knew in some cities some would receive it, and they did, and they did. And he gave those that he loved that had a special place in his heart. He gave them first opportunity and they rejected the opportunity, but others took it. Amen. So he wanted them to receive. They would have to respond to what was upon him. That's why it's important that your pastors, your congregation, knows what's upon you so that they can receive of it. You're not talking about you, but you're talking about what the anointing upon you can accomplish. And there's equipment in that pastoral office that no other office has. Amen. Amen. Amen. And your congregation needs to know you can't leave at the office of the pastor and go follow the office evangelist and get the same thing. Can't do it. Can't go follow the office of a prophet and get the same thing that's contained in a pastor's office. Can't do it. Can't follow the office of an apostle and get the same thing that the pastoral office has for your life. Can't do it. Even though apostle may step into and be a prophet and they may weave in and out of these offices, he's still not going to occupy at a high level that pastoral office that a man who's born for the pastoral office will occupy. And so you have to tell your people these things so they don't get fickle and start following just the one who just moved into town and is moving out of town, and they just follow him too. You have to tell people Amen. And so anyway, that's to help somebody. Amen. So for me to put you in a place to where your faith can receive, I want to tell you how the healing anointing showed up on this family, the testimony of it. My husband was born into a family of alcoholism and mental illness. He left this earth as the voice of a general in the body of Christ. So what's that mean? It doesn't matter what what your start is. It doesn't matter what Kind of crazy you were born into. It doesn't matter what someone around you achieved or didn't achieve, your start in life will never dismiss you from the plan of God. The only thing that can dismiss you is you. That's right. No devil can dismiss you. You're the only one that can dismiss yourself. And so my husband did not have a stalwart spiritual start. He was born into a home of alcoholism and mental illness. And he saw his mother tied to gurneys and carted off to mental institutions on multiple occasions. And As a boy, 8, 9, 10 years old, there were five children in the family. He was the oldest. He had to take care of all the younger ones when he was a young boy. By the time he was, was 10, he was paying his dad rent to live there. He was buying his own clothes. He wasn't given anything by his parents, not because they were mean, they just didn't have anything and they needed every hand to help. He did not have an easy childhood. He did not have now. He talked about when his mother was healthy, mentally. He talked about what a good mother she was and thank God he had that. But it wasn't that all the time. And so I'm so impressed to see how far the Word can take someone, if we can, if we will give our cooperation and our response to the Word, how it will totally rewrite everything, not just for you, but for your children and your grandchildren. And he was born into this kind of a situation, Great depression in the home. Can you imagine? He talked about his mother would say, little Eddie, you see the monkeys in the bushes, she's seeing demon spirits. Her mind was so far gone. And can you imagine what that would mean to a little boy who had to listen to this times she tried to commit suicide. And all these things that he saw and you can imagine that he would be, it would have painted in his own thinking that my life cannot surpass this. But as he was a 25 year old, he was a construction worker, he found his life going the exact same direction. He was drinking heavily. He had no idea what to do with his life. He was deeply depressed and he went and set up an appointment with his priest, the Catholic priest. He was raised Catholic. He said himself he was a bad Catholic. You know, he'd go once a year and then lie on his income tax about how much he gave to the Catholic Church, you know, just like, you know, bad Catholic. And so he set up an appointment to go see his priest. And he told him, he said, my life is falling apart. And he told him, you know, some of the difficulties of his life. And the priest said to him, he said, well, you just need to get more involved in the church. He said, okay, I'll do that. Tell me how to do that. And he said, well, we want you. Why don't you get involved? This Saturday we're having a men's bake sale. Now, I paused there because I'm thinking about Ed's baking. We woke up every morning in our house when Ed was home to smells. And the smells were he would make himself toast and sausage link. He would cook. Ed was always in a hurry. So everything went on high. Every burner was turned to high, because if it's on high, it cooks faster. At least on the outside. Right, lady? Ed would put the toast in the toaster. It would toast, go through the cycle, pop up, and he'd push it down again because it wasn't black yet and he wanted it burned. And it's just a delightful smell. Completely burned. Crispy, crispy, crispy. And then he would put the sausage links on high in the pan, burn them up on the outside, but they're kind of partially raw inside. He burned up every pan he used. Burned it out. It's black, you couldn't get it off. And he'd say, you need to get me more pans. I said, no, that's your pan. Because I get you another pan, you're just gonna burn it out next time. Every day he burned out the pan. I tried to be nice and give him multiple pans, and he just treated them the same. So you get one burned out pan, keep burning it out, just burn it out. But these are the smells. Is that not true? It's the gospel truth. So whenever he said, you need to be part of the men's bake sale, that's what comes to me. It was cute, these fond memories. When he was building, he was starting. We have a ranch in Colorado, and he was building. Remember Stephen? He said, I'm going to build, put the island, and I'm gonna put the stove on the island. No, bad idea. That's where we're gonna sit and eat. We got kids and grandkids and you don't want the stove right there in front of them. No, I'm putting it in the island. And I said, why do you wanna put it in the island? He said, because when I'm cooking hot dogs, I just flip it on their plate right there. I go, oh, shoot. Remember that? We had a dog fight over that. You're not putting the island where the children sit. I mean, the stove where the children sit. You know, he just want it right there. This is not hibachi. That's what he wanted. Yeah, he wanted to. You can't do that. Joel Siegel Restaurant, Thanksgiving one year. I don't know if he recognizes it, but Ed said, we're going to go to the ranch and we're going to shoot a turkey, and we're going to eat turkey. And I go, I don't know anything about cleaning a turkey. And I know you don't either. I don't know how to cook anything. Whose legs aren't tied together with a string. Right. Every gizzard I know of is on the insides in a bag. And thankfully, he was living the dream about up here, up here, up here, up here. These are fond memories, right? And thankfully, Joel Siegel said, because we told Ed no, but he was intent, he was going to be John Wayne and eat off the land. And Joel Siegel said, Doctor, he said, those turkeys aren't like the ones in the super shit in the supermarket. They're hard. They're not. Yeah, they're tub. They're not fat. They've been running the land. You know, they're running for their life every day. They're not. They're not beefy. You know, they're just railing. He said, doctor, it won't taste the same. And for some reason, when he said that, it dawned on Ed and we all got our Thanksgiving rescue. Thank you. A million thanks. A million thanks. I don't know how good of a cook you are, but you at least saved our Thanksgiving. So when the priest said, you just need to be part of the men's bake sale. That's why I go back to those things. That's why I just stood there a moment, And he said, well, what do you want me to do there? And they said, well, we need someone to man the Budweiser booth. Oh, seriously? And Ed said, have you not been listening to me? That's my problem. I've been manning the Budweiser booth. I'm an alcoholic. That's not good. So he said, well, you need to go through catechism again. So he handed him catechism tracts, and Ed put them in his pocket and walked out. Can you imagine the hopeless feeling when you go to someone, the only spiritual source you know of, as you understand spirituality, and you ask for help and they offer you the Budweiser booth? That's not good. I'm not trying to make fun of them, but I'm just Saying when you don't have answers for people's lives, there's a hopelessness in the people that come to you. You know, Brother Hagin talked about, there was this pastor, he said he was a wonderful pastor and had a large church. And he said, but in all honesty, he couldn't preach his way out of a paper bag. He was not a good preacher, a good teacher, but his church flourished and said he was a wonderful pastor. And Brother Hagin said to him, to what you attribute the success of your pastorate. He said, brother Hagin, when people come to me for help, I have answers for them. They need answers. They just need answers. And I thought, how precious that is, you know. And so Ed walked out of that place with no answers. But he didn't know where to go to find them. So he went down to the bar again, walked out of the priest's office, went straight to the bar. And he's sitting there hopeless. And while he's sitting there, he evidently said something to God and God spoke audibly to him. See God, God, he'll meet you where you can hear him. And so he said, you're going to go all over the world and preach the gospel. Notice he didn't talk to him about his addictions. He didn't talk to him about difficulties. He talked to him of the plan. Because if you follow the plan, it'll deliver you past all the opposition, past all the hindrances, past all the difficulties if you focus on the plan. He didn't talk to him about his obstacles. He talked to him about the plan that eliminates the obstacles and overcomes. And so he just heard this voice, you're going to go all over the world and preach the gospel. Now you would have thought, God, I need something a little bit more for today, right? But he put a vision in him. Put a vision, and with that vision came hope. And with the hearing came faith. Because faith comes by hearing. And there had been a man that he worked in with on the job that had invited him to church every Sunday for a year and a half. And Ed had declined him every time. But now, no doubt with these words that God had spoken, there was faith enough to say, yes, I'll go with you to church. So the very next Sunday, he had told his co worker, I'll go to church with you if you'll leave me alone after that. So he went to church that next Sunday, Sunday, and heard the gospel message for the first time and was born again. Wow. He went back to his. To the church that night On Sunday night, they told him, come back. They said, bring your Bible. So he brought his big white Catholic Bible with the picture of Mother Mary on the front. They gave him a King James paperback one real quick that night. But I still have that Bible that he carried into church that night. And he said to the pastor after the service, he said, I've served the devil for 25 years, but now that I belong to Jesus, I want to serve him. What can I do? Now, see, that's where the word's working in you. What can I do? What can I do? Not, what do I have to do? Do I have to do something? No. What can I do? On the road to Damascus, we see something about how come God could deal with Paul the way he did. Because Paul's first response was, what would you have me do? That's the first thing he said, what would you have me do? He was a man of action. And so this is why I have no doubt that God could advance my husband so quickly, because his mentality is, what can I do? And not to earn salvation, but to move with what God had for him. And so the pastor said, well, we don't have anyone to clean the toilets. And Ed said, that's my job. Know this. Nothing is beneath the one in Christ. Don't you ever belittle any opportunity God gives you. Because when you do it in Christ and you do it to his glory, you just elevated it. Amen. That action was elevated by the heart behind it. So don't ever think that you're too educated, you're too advanced. Because really, people who serve, people who lead, they prefer to serve. They don't prefer to lead. Someone who prefers to lead hasn't served right yet. Amen. And I mean, if I had my way, I would be a great church secretary. Pastor Chris would hire me. I tell you what. Yes, yes, I can organize you, baby. I can organize you. And so he said, we don't have anyone to clean the toilets. And he said, that's my job. And he did it for a long period of time. And finally he was promoted to door greeter. And I guarantee you, with Ed's enthusiasm and zeal, they got greeted. And then he got promoted to deacon. And one Sunday morning, he was standing along with the deacons and they were distributing the communion elements. They were receiving communion that day, and their practice was the deacons would line up up front holding the elements, and the pastor would pray before the people would come and receive communion. And so the pastor was praying, and Ed said to God, he said, God, I don't even really understand what this is all about. He had never heard anything about healing. He had never heard of the different benefits that belong to us in Christ of prosperity. He had never heard that church. He was born again, though. And so as he said that, he's holding the communion elements and says, I don't even understand what communion is all about. And when he said that, he had an experience in God and the ceiling of that church building disappeared. And he saw what the prophet Isaiah saw. He saw Jesus hanging on the cross, but he saw words of sickness and disease that began flying through the air, and they would strike his body as they would near him, and his whole body would jolt and jar every time. And he was seeing the sickness of humanity being laid on him. And he said the words would come slow at first, and he had time to read them. And he said, then they came so fast he could not even recognize the words that came. And he said, I saw him distorted. And he became to where he did not even look like man hanging on that cross. And so he was showing him what it was that Jesus paid the price. And not long after that, the pastor announced that they needed to build a new church building. And God spoke to my husband because he was a builder. He was a. He had been foreman on jobs as a construction worker. And God said to him, I want you to build the church building. So he went to the pastor and he said, pastor, he said, God spoke to me that I'm to be the foreman and oversee the building of this next church building for our congregation. And the pastor said, yes, God told me the same thing. And Ed said, well. And the pastor said, the only thing is we don't have any money to pay you. So he went home and he said, God, they can't pay me. And God didn't answer him, meaning, what's that got to do with anything? Once God says something, negotiation's over, right? You can try. You might get a little somewhere, but you'll come back around to what he says. And so he began working on. And he told God, he said, I'll do it as long as my family's taken care of. But if my family ever starts doing without and I don't, and you don't meet my needs, he says, I'm going to work. I'm getting me a job. That's what I so appreciate about my husband. He understood the responsibility as head of the home. What was that? Not to be the provider, but he had to put his hand to something and not let his family suffer. And so he began the work on the building. And within a couple of weeks they had run out of money. They're in the home and they didn't have money to buy food. And I so love this. He went around behind Safeway and as they would put out day old bread and day old food, he would start going through there and he would collect it and take it home and feed his family. What is it? He never saw himself too good. If you think yourself too good to do something, there's something in there that will trip you up along the way in that mentality. And no, God doesn't expect us to eat out of the throwaways. But I am saying this is, God will meet you where you're at and he'll train you where you're at, and you have to be willing to do all you know to do. And my husband would always say, this faith will do whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. And so he was doing that for weeks. He was collecting food from behind the grocery store. And one day as he was out there, he said somebody startled him because they yelled out, hey, what are you doing? He turned around there and there was an employee of the grocery store. And Ed said, oh, I'm so sorry. I thought because it was thrown out, it was available to take. And Ed told him, he said, my family, we've run out of food. He said, you know, I'm helping my pastor build the church and I don't have the opportunity to work. And so he said, I'm coming here to get the food. And he told him his situation. And the worker said, come back tonight about seven o'. Clock. And so Ed had a pickup and he came back that night at 7 o' clock, and there were pallets of food laid out for him and he collected it all, stocked up his own kitchen, then went and started feeding other people in the church and dropping off food. And that man put out pallets on a regular basis of food for him. And he not only had his own home fully supplied, but he was now feeding people in the church. Because faith will do whatever it takes. And whatever it takes will not just feed your life, it'll feed someone else's. Listen, God never intended your faith only be enough for your life. Amen. Your faith will move into someone else's life and change it. And so anyway, so he did that for a period of time. But at the end of three months, he had food, he had that resource provided for. But he was three months behind on his mortgage and he got notice that he was going to. They were going to repossess his house. And so he said to God, he said, I told you, when I'm not taken care of, I'm going to go get a job. So he went down to the carpenter's union for them to assign him a job. And they assigned him a job. They gave him a piece of paper telling him where to go. And as he was walking out of the building, God said to him. He said, what are you doing? He said, I'm getting a job. He said, you have a job? And he said, yeah, and I told you I'd do that job as long as you took care of my family. And you're not taking care of my family. You know, it's okay to have it out with God because he knows what you're thinking anyway. But God didn't say anything back to him, and he just threw down that paper. And he said he was just weeping because there was a war between his head and his heart. And so he threw down that assignment, and he just went back to the church. And when he got back to the church, a man came up to him and said, ed. He said, I work for. I have a job with. And he named a certain business that he works for. And he says, we clean buildings at night, we clean restaurants at night. We clean dentist's office and doctor's offices, because they don't, you know, you can't be in there during the day cleaning those. So we come in and we clean at night. And we have so much business, but we need more workers. Would you be interested? I know you work here building the church during the day, but would you be open? Because we need more staff. And Ed said, I would love to. So Ed would build the church all day, and then all night he would go and he would clean, and he would sleep maybe two hours, then do it all over again. And that's what is faith will do whatever it takes. But if you'll do whatever it takes, you won't have to do that level for long. And so he did that for a period of time, and they got caught back up on his mortgage because now he had an income. But during doing that job, the owner of that cleaning company went through a divorce. And he was devastated with it, and he picked up and just left the business behind. And he got up and moved to a different state in the middle of the night, just left, and he was devastated. And so all the business was done. Now, Ed did not have a source of income, but a business that he had cleaned for called Ed and said, Ed said, y' all didn't show up last night night to clean in the building? And Ed said, yes. He said the business owner left the state. We don't have the equipment. It's locked up. There was no way I could get it. And they said, well, we want you to keep cleaning our business. And Ed said, I don't have any equipment to do that. And they said, well, we have all the equipment, we'll give it to you. So they gave him the equipment and he took over the jobs of this, the contract, so to speak, of all these people that they had cleaned for. Now he had a ready made business. And within just a short amount of time, he had 12 cleaning trucks and employees. And now he wasn't having to do cleaning at night because he had a whole staff doing it. And in the 60s, he was bringing in $10,000 a week. Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot. And so now he's funding whole households, you know, and his is completely caught up and he's got money to spare. But then the church ran out of money for the construction. And Ed knew this. If I don't get this church built, I can't ever get off this job. So he took the money from his cleaning business and he bought all the supplies he funded to finish that church, because he knew till the church is finished, I don't get to do anything else. So he's back at a place at least his family's taken care of. He was able to meet his own personal needs, but now he had no extra because he's putting it into the building of the church. He's paying for it himself. And so while he's finishing up the church, somebody comes up to him and says, God told me to bring you this brochure. And when he took it, it was a brochure advertising the Full Gospel Businessmen's World convention that would be held at the Hilton hotel in Denver, Colorado. And when they handed him that brochure, God spoke to him and said, I want you to go. And Ed said to God, I don't have the money to go. He only had enough for his own functioning needs, but not enough to fly to Denver and have a be in a hotel for a week and all the expenses connected with that. And God said to him, sell your house. Ah, see, none of y' all said, praise the Lord. Sell your house. You don't do something like that unless God tells you to. But if he tells you to, it's Connected to something much greater than you could ever imagine. Ed didn't know that that kind of dealing with God was connected to something great. He just obeyed. And he said to God, he said, God, that meeting's in 30 days. I can't get my house sold in 30 days and get the money. So God didn't say anything back to him. And so when God goes silent, just go ahead and do what he said. That's a big nugget for you right there. Just go with the last thing he said to you. So Ed put his house on the market that day, and the next day, day it sold for cash. And so he had a cash buyer the next day. And so he had the money within 30 days to go to that convention. And he now had to move out of the house. And he put his family in an apartment, and then he took off for Colorado. And when he got there, he heard for the first time time the Word of Faith message preached. He had never heard the Word of Faith message preached. And can I tell you what the Word of Faith message is? It's not just teaching on faith. Paul calls the word that new covenant, the Word of Faith. It's the whole of the new covenant is a word of faith. It's a faith covenant. And so he got there and he heard for the first time three preachers he'd never heard of before. Number one, Pastor John Osteen. And God said to him, follow him closely and observe him closely in pastoring. Because he said, one day you will pastor. And the next one was a man by the name of Kenneth Copeland. He had just started his traveling ministry. He did not even have any tapes there because he was a fan. At the last moment, someone else couldn't come, and they invited him at the last moment to come, and he came. And the third one that he heard for the first time was a man by the name of Kenneth Hagin. And God said, he's the real reason I brought you here, because he is to be your spiritual father, and you follow him until he goes home to be with the Lord. Amen. And so he did. And so he heard. He went down into what they called the dungeon. It was the basement of the hotel there, because all the meetings were there in different meeting halls in the hotel. So you could choose which meeting you wanted to go to in the morning or the afternoon. They had multiple speakers and they were doing multiple topics. So you got to choose which one you went to. Well, he worked himself into the youth meeting. He was not a youth. He's in his 30s. But he worked his way into the youth meeting, and he heard Brother Copeland preach a sermon called the Covenant Man David. And he came out of there on fire. Something in Brother Copeland's way of preaching landed in Ed. And Ed came home, you know, and he's putting on cowboy boots and stomping around, you know, because Brother Copeland wore cowboy boots. And he wanted to be. Ed always wanted to be a cowboy or a rancher or John Wayne or something like that. And so that suited him real good when he saw Brother Copeland wearing cowboy boots. And so he came out of that meeting and he said, does that man have any more sermons recorded on tape? And there was a little blonde woman that handed him a brochure and said, well, he sure does. And it was Gloria Copeland who had handed him that. And he was able to order all of those reel to reel to tapes of Brother Copeland that he had available. And after he got back home, he locked himself up in a garage for three months and listened to them over and over and over. And God began to author things in him that would change the whole direction of his life. But while he's there at that convention, he goes in one day, and he's going to walk into one of the meeting halls for a meeting that afternoon. And there's about three steps leading up to that meeting room. And so he walks over to go up there, but he recognizes there's a lady laying on those steps. She's just laying there on the ground. And he thought, she's had a physical episode here. So he thinks that emergency care needs to be given to her. And so there was a man standing there, and he said to the man, what's the matter with her? Because he's saying, you know, we're going to call 911 for her. And he said, well, she came up, she wanted to be filled with the Holy Ghost. I laid hands on her, and she fell out under the power of God. And she's laying there praying in tongues. Well, Ed never saw anything like that in his church. And he never saw anyone fall out under the power of God and laying there in public like that. And so he says to himself, God, I hope you never that word. Ooh, that'll bite you. That'll bite you. I hope you never do anything like that. And he meant to say to me, to himself, but before he even gets it stated to himself, a light flashed through that entire lobby, and he fell out under the power of God. And every person in the lobby fell out. Every single person. And then the blessing of the Lord was that a big woman fell on him, And he wanted to get up and couldn't because she was right on top of him, and he could not move. And he's laying there waiting for her to get up. But while he's laying there, Jesus walks in and puts a tangible healing anointing in his right hand. And his hand started burning like he's holding a coal of fire. So after a while, this woman gets up. So he gets up and she turns to him and she said, something happened to you while we were laying there? He said, yes. Jesus walked in and put something in my hand, and it's burning. She said, that's healing power. She said, the reason I'm so large is I have a cancerous tumor that's all the way around my midsection. She said, lay your hand on me and pray for me. And before he even said anything, he just touched her. And that thing popped like you popped a balloon. And her dress fell alongside of her, and she's normal size. And everyone in the lobby saw it, and they started running. And he said for the next hour, they were running to him saying, lay hands on me. Lay hands on me. And he said he was. He finally just took off his coat, and he's laying hands. He's just sweating, just laying hands on everybody that was coming to him. So he went back home after this event. Do you think it was worth it that he sold his home? Yes, I. It's worth everything to be where God tells you to be. Because you never know what is connected to where he told you to be. You have no idea. He could impart something to you. You could just hear one testimony. God could do something, something for your body. God could put something in your hand. I'm talking about a provision. Somebody could hand you something. You have no idea. You could hear something about your future sitting where God told you to be. You have no idea what's connected. So the devil knows. That's why he tries to get you distracted. And so anyway, he goes back home, he locks himself up with those Copeland tapes, and he listens for months at a time. He told his pastor about what happened, people. And he was head of the youth group in his church, and the kids were getting healed, and he got them laying hands on the sick. And the pastor didn't like it. And so because the pastor was against him ministering, healing, they didn't kick him out, but they shunned him out. You know, they just shunned him. So he had to leave, and he had to Leave that place to go to the next place to have the more that God was trying to bring him into. And so in doing that, he had to leave the church. And someone asked him, said, would you come and would you teach in our Bible study every week? So God opened that door for him. So he did that. But when he would come, he. He would load up his old reel to reel tape player and these big D cell batteries, you know, to run it. And he'd load it up in his car and he would get to the Bible study and he would set that tape player up and the people would be sitting out there and he would say, I'm going to lay hands and minister to the sick, but first Brother Copeland is going to preach to you. So he would push play and go sit down, and Brother Copeland would preach to that Bible study group. Ed did that for months. And so after a time, about three or four months into it, he's loading up his tape player and God spoke to him and says, leave your tape player at home today. So he knew he was going to have to preach. And so he went to that Bible study and he preached that day. And he said it lasted 15 minutes. He said, it was terrible. I messed up my words, I sounded terrible. Everything was an embarrassment about it. And he said, I was so mad at God for putting me in that situation. And so he said after it was over, he said, I went into a side room, slammed the door and I'm having out with God. And said, don't you ever have me to do that again. Not he didn't. Just the next 50 years. Yeah. And that was his sole occupation from then on. But while he's in that side room having it out with God, there's a knock that comes on the door. And he, in a very aggravated tone, said, come in. And there's a little mama in her mid to late 20s. She steps in and she has her little girl with her who's about 3 years old. And she said, brother Dufresne, can I show you something? He said, what? She said, look at my little girl's feet. And he said, well, what about them? And she said, you don't understand. When I brought her in today, her feet were club feet. They were completely backwards. That's what club feet are. They're born with completely turned around, and it's devastating. It's a devastating condition. And said, but while you were preaching, her feet turned around and straightened out and look, they're perfectly straight. And he said, you mean she got healed listening to that Sermon. It wasn't the sermon. It was the anointing. It was the anointing. So you know why the devil hates the anointing and why he tries to disappoint, dismantle everything in your life that would facilitate that anointing. Yeah. So good. And so from then on, Brother Copeland made this the next time when Brother Copeland had ever heard because he heard the story of how he preached. Ed and Brother Copeland were preaching partners there. Brother Copeland didn't know it, but he was. He was preaching for defresne Ministries, you know. And Brother Copeland said to him on one occasion, he said, ed, did you ever send me any offerings off all those sermons I preached for you? I told Brother Copeland, I'm trying to make up for that. Brother Copeland. But you can understand what a big deal it became to us that when Brother Copeland had been used those messages to preach with Ed, that one day then we were invited to preach with Brother Copeland. It came full circle. It's no small thing in our eyes to watch the thread of God get pulled and how he weaves things and weaves people into your lives, and you have no idea where they're going to end up in years down the road being central figures in your life. And it's such a blessing. Amen. And so Ed saw him in the 70s hanging off of a satellite. He had a vision, and he saw himself hanging off of a satellite declaring, jesus is the healer. So when the door opened for us to go on television, we knew what it had to be. Jesus the healer. And so what you get to receive of today didn't begin here. It began years, decades ago with somebody who obeyed God, with somebody who would go behind the grocery store, dig through the garbage just to obey God. Obedience today came because of obedience in yesteryear. Amen. Amen. And you have to progress in the anointing. And you never can take credit and say, oh, look what God's doing. God said something to me just weeks after Ed went home to be with the Lord. He said, under your leadership, the ministry will experience years as the years of Solomon. There'll be years of prosperity, peace, and wisdom. But then he said, this Solomon never could have had a reign of peace, prosperity, and wisdom if David hadn't fought the battles. And he said, you, husband, fought the battles so that you could have a leadership time of peace, prosperity, and wisdom. Amen. What's that mean? You don't get anywhere alone. Somebody paid a price to facilitate it. And you think about when we go back and we think about dad and mom hagin sleeping in chicken coops. We don't have to sleep in chicken coops because somebody paid the price and somebody taught the body how to treat the body. Amen. And other preachers had their offerings stolen from them. We don't have much of that going on because preachers that paid the price and taught people the honor and taught them how to tithe and taught them how to give and taught them right thinking and that prosperity was God's plan for them. So notice this. Anything you enjoy of your pastor's life, you didn't earn it. It came. It came to you through somebody else and maybe in yesteryear who paid the prices. Amen. For you to enjoy where you're at today, don't treat it lightly. Don't be uninterested. Don't treat it as a throwaway moment to be in church. A lot of people have paid and sacrificed to pay for the ceiling over our head, Right? People who used their faith and just kept giving and giving and giving just so we could be in a building. Everything we enjoy of goodness. Somebody obeyed God. Somebody had faith to move with God. So we don't ever want to treat that lightly. Amen. And don't ever forget where God met your family. That's right. He healed you in the church. He put your. Put your family back together in the church. Don't decide that. Oh, I think I'll go down the road sometime. And you better remember where God met you. And you honor that place. And you don't treat it as disposable because the devil would love to cause you to forget. Because what you forget, he steals from you. Well, praise the Lord. Right before my husband and I met, we met and married in 1984. And just weeks before we met, Ed was coming off of a commercial flight. He had a traveling ministry, of course. And he came off a commercial flight. And God said to him, turn around and look behind you. And as he was coming off the jetway, he turned around and he saw 100 angels behind him. They were two side by side, 50 rows of them. And he said to God, he said, what are those angels for? And he said, I have just dispatched these angels to work with you in the healing ministry. He said, they'll bring body parts. They'll adjust things. No, angels aren't the healers, but they cooperate with healing power. And just at the pull, like at the pool of Bethesda, the angel would come down and deposit healing power into that water. Enough for one. So heaven does. Heaven employs all of Its resources for us to receive. Amen. And so we saw dramatic things happen through that. Not just the healing anointing, but also those angels that were dispatched to work with the ministry. My husband went home to be with the Lord in October of 2013, and it was in February of 2014. I was finishing up a meeting one night, and God said to me, and I had forgotten about these angels that had worked with him, these 100 angels. And God said to me, he said, when your husband came back to earth, to heaven, he said, the angels, those 100 angels did not come with them because their ministry is in the earth. And he said, and 50 of them stayed with you. And he said, and if you will be. And he said, the other 50 were dispatched to other ministers with healing anointings on their life who were associated and connected to your husband. So does it matter who your husband connected to? It matters because you're receiving of what's upon them. And so he said, the 50 stayed with you. And he said, if you will be faithful with those 50, he said, more will come. And I thought to myself, how am I faithful with those 50? And before I could even voice it, because God knew what I was thinking, he answered it. And he said, that is talk about them. Tell the people that they've been assigned to work with you. Because he said, the more you will talk about it about them, the more you're giving them permission to work. Well, we give them permission to work. I said, we give them permission to work, don't we? Hallelujah. Well, did you receive something tonight? Yeah. The last two years, I would say of Ed's life, every time we would get into meetings, we would go and we'd stay for a week at a time. I would do the morning services primarily. He would do the evening services. And at least once in every meeting in the last two years, he would call me out and lay hands on me. And I thought, why with regularity, is he doing this? And there were endowments that were upon him, meaning anyone with heart conditions, back conditions, cancer, he would lay hands on them and part. Another one was metal rods, plates, and screws. And so he would call me out and he would say, that endowment to minister to those with heart conditions, it comes upon you. And I would go back to my seat and say, God, why are you doubling this? It's upon him. Why is it also upon me? And then he would call me out in another meeting, and he said, the endowment to minister to those with metal rods, plates, or screws is coming upon you. And I again said, God, why are you doubling this? He wasn't doubling it. He was downloading it. He was transferring it. Because God did not want anything of the anointing that had been received and developed. He did not want that lost. Amen. So it matters. These things happen toward the end. Can I tell you this, people? When God hooks you up with somebody, stay with them till the end. Unless God tells you differently. And I guarantee you offense can't tell you differently. Offense won't dismiss you. It's not permission from heaven. Yeah, you stay with them till the end. Let me tell you something about Norval Hayes. In 2011, God spoke to me and said, here I was, pastor of the church in Southern California. And he said, I want you to have Brother Norville into your church. Well, we'd been friends with Brother Norval for years. He'd preached for us at different times, but we hadn't seen him in recent years. And in 2011, God said to me, I want you to have Brother Norval in your church. But I had the sense of not to contact him. I just had the sense I was to accept it. And so after Ed went home to be with the Lord, and it was about two years later, after God originally said that Brother Norville called me one day and he said, nancy, I'm coming through. He said, I just was calling to see if you'd be interested in having me come Sunday. I said, brother Norville, come. We would absolutely love for you to come for the next four years. He came every year. And after Brother Norval went home to be with the Lord, I was preaching in central California. I was getting ready to start a camp meeting there. And right before I went to that camp meeting, I was led of the Spirit of God to watch the different videos online of Brother Norville having that revival in Dallas, Texas in the 80s. And he was just. I don't remember how many services, might be like 80 services or so. And I just watched one after the other. And the focus that Brother, that the Holy Ghost had, Brother Norval to stay on was worship and faith and healing and following the Holy Ghost. These were the central themes of his ministry. And so I had been reading some of his books. God had led me to just download and just saturate and soak in these messages and meditate on them. I wasn't looking to preach his sermons. I just looking to see what did God say to him. Because I recognized somebody's got to pick that up. This man's no longer here to say these things. And they're not to be lost. The body needs them. If they gave them to him, it's because we need them. The earth needs them. And so I wasn't preaching sermons. I preaching what God told him. And so I was getting ready to do that that night. For the first time, I was going to take something that God told Brother Norval regarding worship. And so as I was getting ready for the service that night about an hour and a half before it was time to leave, I looked and there was an angel. I didn't see it. I perceived it. And I knew where it was standing. And he was standing just on the other side of the hotel room door. And so I walked over and I stood there with my hands out and I said, I recognize you're here. What is it that you came to deliver? See, they have to be responded to. You have to say something. Amen. Amen. So it's not enough to perceive something. You have to respond because they will not work uninvited. And so I held out my hands and said, what is it that you have? And he said this. I have come to impart the utterance for the. I've come to impart the utterance of the revelation given to Brother Norville. So notice this. You can preach a sermon, but until heaven imparts the utterance, you won't say it. Right. There you go. So good it won't land right. And so I received that because that was what I had planned to preach that night. But now I had divine utterance for repeating what God said to Brother Norval. Then I sat down after that angel left. And I sat down. Then God spoke to me further. Now, listen to what he said. He said this. He said, because I knew this Brother Norville had said, said, contact different pastors in the region. Ask if they will have me. And most declined. But we took him, and we had Brother Tony. I don't know. Brother Tony's up there. And other staff members. I'd say, you stay with him, Brother Tony. They'd get a hotel room with two bedrooms and they would stay in the other room. They would cook for Brother Norville and his wife. They would feed them. They would take them around. They'd help them get dressed. They tended to them. And then when he would go to other churches, I sent them for two weeks with him. You just stay with him. You take care of him. Because they came on their own. And they were really struggling physically to be mobile. And we did not want them left without proper care. And when we see that it's wrong to ignore that. As a pastor, it's wrong to ignore that. And so when I sat back down after that angel had come in the room, I sat back down. God spoke to me and said, many ministers welcome a man of God when he's in his peak. But if he cannot, in his latter years, do what he used to could do, he said, they don't honor him enough to even welcome him anymore. And he said, if they will not stay with him till the end, they don't have enough honor to carry on the revelation that was given through the man. And he said, and I will not impart that to them because they don't have enough honor to stay with the man to the end. That's why God said to me, have Brother Norman. He was looking for somebody to pick up the message. He didn't tell me that till after I obeyed him. We took care of Brother Norval. We put out a lot of money taking care of him. The money didn't matter because of what he had brought to the body for decades. When I give a man of God an offering, I don't give him an offering for that service. I'm talking to you pastors. I don't give him an offering for that service. I give him an offering for his life, his life of faithfulness, his life of obedience. Amen. You would be shocked at some of the numbers that I will give out for one service, because I'm not paying him for that service. I'm honoring for what I'm honoring him for what he has been to the body of Christ. And we're partakers of all that years of faithfulness. And I've got to. I've got to show that tangibly. I will empty out accounts to do that. Amen. And so we did that with Brother Norville. We took care of him because we knew there was not others. And he may have had other income, not my business. But I was going to do all I could do to see to it. Why? To receive Revelation, honor has to. To be a flow of your life. You can't just want an anointing. And if you won't stay with them until the end and honor them to the end, you disqualify. Period. Period. You cannot have a double portion. You cannot to have a double portion, you have to see them when they go. That's right. You can't get in a healing line, a ministry line, and get a double. Double portion. Not possible. Doesn't work that way. It works by honor. It works by honor. Period. And Elijah said to Elisha, if you see me when I go, I don't care if you left the week before they go, you miss out. You could have served for 40 years. And if you leave the week before they go, you miss out because you weren't there to the end. Why? Because people are quitters. Yeah, that's right. And God will not trust revelations to quitters. I'm talking to ministers now. So the rest of you, you just sit back and go, I'm off the hook. But you're really not off the hook. Stay with the pastor God put you with. There's your hook right there. Same thing when people leave their pastor that God told them to be at, it'll show up in their family. It'll show up in their health. It'll show up in their finances. It'll show up in their. In their mind. It will show up in every single arena. Because when God tells us to be somewhere, we're anointed to be there. And we're anointed to hear what they say. And somebody else can preach a good word, but that doesn't mean they're anointed for my life. That's exactly right. You know who's anointed for my life? The one God told me to be with. I can't get offended at them and decide that they're not for my life anymore. Can't do that. You can't do it. No. Amen. Paul said. He said, I pray that the love of God abound in you. And then he said, and that you be free from offense till the day of the Lord Jesus Christ. Notice, he didn't say, I pray you be free from greed. I pray you be free from perversion. I pray you be free from lack. I pray you be free from sickness and disease. No, he said, offense. Why? Because offense disqualifies you for everything else. Come on. Amen. Amen. Amen. Praise the Lord. So I choose my man of God will never offend me. Never. I don't care what he says to me. I don't care what he does to me. Can I tell you, Brother Copeland has so kindly rebuked me, but rebuked me still. And he's not been harsh in his rebuke. He's been kind in his rebuke. But he came off of his airplane one time, and he would call me and say, nancy, you need an airplane? Yes, Brother Copeland. But I couldn't tell him everything God said. Because God said to me, someone's going to give you an airplane. Well, I'M not going to say that to Brother Copeland because I'm not dropping hints to fish. Faith doesn't fish out of somebody else's abundance. And Brother Copeland is so generous that I knew he would take action. And I'm not manipulating action, so I wouldn't say anything to him. And he would say, nancy, why don't you have an airplane? Oh, well, Brother Copeland, I can't tell you. You know, and he was so kind. He looked after me. He contacted me, looked after me all the time. And he got off the plane and said, nancy, got an airplane yet? No, Brother Copeland, he had just, you know, those eyes and then the. Well, I see I'm going to have to get involved. Oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry, you know, but rebuked. But kindly rebuked. But rebuked. Never the same, you know? And I need somebody in my life that will tell me what I need to hear, whether I invite it or not, whether I like or not. And you're not safe with somebody who won't put their finger in your face. They don't love you. Right? If they won't put their finger in your face. And you need somebody that God's hooked you up with, and you be there and you stay there. An offense is a decision. That's right. It's not a feeling. It's a decision. It's a decision. So before. You better decide before the opportunity to be offended comes, you make that decision. Because if you're going to wait until the moment offense is offered you to decide, you're going to choose wrong. You know. You know, Indiana Jones choose wives. So I decided long ago, my husband will never offend me. My pastor will never offend me. The man of God he's put me with will never offend me. That's a choice I make. I don't have to decide it. Once something is said to me, it's already been made. Amen. You have to choose. My pastor will never offend me. No matter what he says, he'll never offend me. And I've always scratched my head at people who would go out in the foyer and say, they're just hard. They're just mean. If you'd be quiet, nobody would know that you were the one needing the correction. Just don't say anything. My gosh. Just walk out and say, wasn't that good? Oh, my gosh. And it sounds like you're all together, like you don't need any correction. You got it going on, baby. But when you go out and Say I'm not fed here anymore. You're saying I'm the one he was talking about. Whom the Lord loves, he corrects. And correction is a flow of the love of God. And when you think, when you get into offense, you no longer see correction as a rescue. You see it as an offense. Well, praise the Lord. But God said to me about brother Norval, he said, people will not honor him to the. They did not honor him to the end. Therefore, they cannot be entrusted with the revelation. Why? It takes honor to carry revelation. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. And I tell you what, anything that happens in these meetings did not begin in these meetings. It began years ago with a man who said yes to cleaning the toilets. Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Well, I hope you were helped. I hope you hear something that helps you and receive because God's dealing with all of us. Us. He's bringing us into the plan of God, further and further and further. Stand with me if you would. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Aren't you thankful God is so patient with us, Helping us, helping us, helping us, and keeps dealing with us till we straighten up. And he'll tell us again and again and again. And we appreciate it. Hallelujah. Father, we thank you. We're so thankful for divine connections in our life. So much flows to us through those divine connections. And, Father, we're. We honor your word, we honor your movement. We honor your spirit. Spirit in this place. And we honor what you have for us. And, Father, these people have been so precious. They've come. Many of them have paid quite a large amount just to be able to be in the room. So thank you so much for their faithfulness, their hunger. And, Father, we could never earn of your goodness, but we can certainly honor. And so we thank you for these precious people who have honored this pastor, the congregation here, and all the people who have traveled to be a part of this. It's out of honor that we're here today, and we honor that anointing. We honor the healing power of God. We honor that we can look at Jesus back and know how much you long for our healing. And we thank you for providing that. Right now, what I want to do is I want to minister with that endowment. I talked about a few of the endowments that my husband ministered to me about. And tomorrow night, we'll minister to anyone who needs healing. But tonight I want to do more specific endowments. I like breaking it up a little bit because you don't. It's not as physically draining to do that, but I want to minister to those with heart conditions. Anything to do with your heart, High blood pressure, problems with valves, anything to do with the heart, come up here and we'll minister to you. Because that anointing destroys the yoke. Amen. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. This is not for emotional type situations. It's for physical heart conditions. Okay. Praise the Lord. The congregation, doesn't it matter to us that they receive? You know what the word says? It says, pray one for another, that you may be healed. What's that mean? He connects us to one another. That there's a harvest, that when we release our faith for someone else, it boomerangs back into our own health. You know, God said something to me several years ago. There was just some nagging symptoms that was bothering me, and I was talking to God about it, and he said this to me. He said, nancy, he said, you have sown into the health of others. Why don't you reap the harvest of healing in your own body? And I thought, well, isn't that interesting? I hadn't thought about that because I know this, that my healing is provided for in redemption. But he said, it's also a harvest on seed I've sown. Amen. So if I could say this to you, sow some seed in someone else's healing by extending your faith, being interested that they receive what they need. Amen. If it was you up here, you'd want the congregation interested, wouldn't you? Not disengaged and hoping they can hurry up and leave. But no, we're using our faith, extending our faith. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Those of you who are in the line, or you're going to be in the line, if you would just raise your hand towards heaven. And I want to say this. If you get up here in the line and you say, pastor Nancy, I'd be more comfortable if I knew that a chair was behind me. Let me tell you why. Sometimes people are struggling with certain things physically, and if they fall, it's not always easy for them to get back up. And I don't want them to be thinking of that. It's a distraction. When you go to minister to them and they're concerned that they're going to fall, I want to give instructions to the. To the ushers. You're not there to hold people up. If you push back against them, not letting them fall, the anointing comes right back out of them. And so you're there. You're a catcher. You're not a holder, okay? So you just. You. You don't prop them up. Another thing, when I come to you, don't be praying in the spirit. You can pray in the spirit if you want until I get to you. But I don't want you giving out. I want you receiving in when I come to you. Amen. Hallelujah. But I want you to say these words. Remember Jesus would walked up to different ones. He said, wilt thou be made whole? Or he would ask them, what is it that you need? He asked Von Bartimaeus, well, it's obvious when a man is blind that he blind. But he still asked him, what do you need? Why he needs our words. He knew what was the matter. He needs our words. So let's give him some words tonight. Amen. Father, we thank you. Those of you who are in the line, or you're going to be in the line, say this after me. Say, when the hands are laid on me, the healing power of God will go into my body. It will drive out pain and symptoms, sickness and disease, and I shall be whole. Hallelujah. And I receive that healing anointing because I am the healed. Therefore, that healing must manifest. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Congregation, reach your hands out toward these. The congregation can be praying in the spirit for them, if you would. Father, we thank you. We thank you for that anointing. Oh, there it went in. There it went in you. That healing anointing going. There it goes in you, love. There it goes in you. Be healed. There it goes in you. There it goes in, behold. And there it went in you, sir. It went in you. What's the matter with you, baby doll? Your heart races? Yeah. Father, we thank you. That heart. Be whole. Be normal. In Jesus name. In Jesus name. That went in your love, that went in you. We thank you for it, Father. Hallelujah. Behold, in Jesus name. There it went in you, love. Behold, in Jesus name. We thank you, Father. Behold, there it went in you. There it went in. There it went in. Be whole in Jesus name. Behold. Oh, there it went in, Eugenie. There it went in. Yeah. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Behold, spirit went in. There it went in. Be whole in his name. There it went in you, love. There it went in. Be whole in his name. He does. Yeah. Father, we thank you for that anointing going into this cloth. And when slate upon his body, he shall be whole in Jesus name, we thank you for wholeness. I love you. So good to see Jesus Christ. Behold, in Jesus name. Behold his name. Yes, there. There it went. There it went in. Right there. There it went in. Hallelujah. Behold in his name. There. There it goes. Jesus Christ. Behold in his name. There it went in. There it went in your love, Jesus, for him. All this life. Yeah. Father, we thank you that healing anointing go in your mouth, making the heart right. But Father, from the top of his head to the soles of his feet, we thank you for miracle power. We thank you for making whole. We thank you for those eyes that are straight. We thank you for that digestive cyst. Every part whole. And Father, it's so easy. So easy for you. We thank you for it. Hallelujah. We thank you for that miracle anointing. Brother Joel, come here. Put your hand on him. Put your hand on him. He's never eaten normally. He's been on. Thank you. We thank you for it, Father. Be whole in his name. Oh, there it goes in your love. Yeah, that went in you. Thank you, Father. That went in you love, Father. There it goes in. Thank you for holding us, Jesus. Name of Jesus Christ. His heart. Behold, there it goes in there. When in you. There went in you love. When in you. Yeah, we thank. Oh, there it goes. Yeah. Heart be whole. Thank you. Heart be whole. Yeah, there it goes our because stripes of Jesus Christ. That heartbeat, whole arm. There goes any love. Praise the Lord. You. Thank you, Father. And heart be whole. There it goes. There it goes. There it goes in you Heart be whole in Jesus name. Yeah, there goes. That. Heart be whole. Now, anybody with metal rods, plates or screws, come up here, causing you difficulty, causing you pain, causing loss, limitation, come up here. Or also, if you've been told you need a knee replacement, hip replacement, something of that nature, come up here. Hallelujah. Where is it for you, sir? Both hips have been replaced. What about your mobility? It's getting worse. Do you have pain with that? Ongoing pain continuously out. You have pain in it right now? Yeah. Father, we thank you making it right in Jesus name. We thank you. Making that right in Jesus name. Behold, in his name. What about you, sir? Plates and screws in my lower back. Your lower back? Yeah. And how does that affect you now? Just. It's really tight. It's been really tight this past week. So the doctor said that you'll develop arthritis. Yeah, sure, sure. Father, we thank you. We thank you. Oh, there it goes in. There it went in. What about you, sir? Both knees have been replaced, placed in both hips and rods and screws in your spine. I'm so grateful he has new parts. Amen. Hallelujah. Yes, Father, we thank you. We thank you. We thank you, Father. Hallelujah. I love something that Pastor Noel, who ministers with us sometimes, he made this statement, he was ministering to somebody. He said, don't expect that pain. Don't expect. You know, like in the morning, people wake up, they're used to pain being there, and they look for it without realizing they're looking for it or they move in such a way to accommodate it. Amen. We done expected, right? Yeah, Father, we thank you. Wholeness. Wholeness. In Jesus name. Now we expect wholeness. We expect wholeness. We expect freedom of movement. We expect no pain. Hallelujah. We change our expectation. We all have to learn that. I said we all have to learn that. What about you? Where is it? I got a bar in my leg down here and three screws. A bar and three screws. Does it cause you any difficulty in your knees? Yeah. Yeah. Father, we thank you for making it. Oh, there it goes in. There it goes in. What about you, love? I've had both hips replaced and I've got rods and screws in my back. Both hips replace rods and screws. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Father, we thank you for making it right in Jesus name. What about you, love? All the time, severe, constant pain. Yeah. Huh? Because it affects more than just that. Yes, Father, I thank. There. Oh, there it goes in. There goes that anointing in. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you. Thank you, Father. Thank you, Father. Thank you so much, Father. Thank you, Father. Do something. Move. Move something a little bit differently than you thought you could have before. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. We thank you for that power that's working. Thank you for that anointing. It destroys yokes. Destroys yokes. Hallelujah. That anointing went in you, love. It's working. Yeah, it's working. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. What about you, sir? Where is it? It's in my right hand. Ah, Yeah. Yeah. Father, we thank you for wholeness. Oh, there it goes in you. There it went in you. Oh, we thank you, Father. Yeah, we thank you, Father. Did you sense that go in you? Did you sense that anointing go in you? Yeah, it's working. You know, the anointing doesn't move for no purpose. It carries purpose with it. Amen. What about you, love, your knee? Do you have a knee replacement or just knee pain? They want to do a knee replacement. Yeah. Father, we thank you for. We thank you for a Whole knee. Knees that work as they ought. What about you, sir? I have a knee replacement and hip replacement. Knee and hip. Yeah. And my 48 year old son. Can I, can you get this to him? Yeah. Because the word talks about the cloth becomes a storage battery. Father, we thank you for that healing anointing going into this cloth. When it's laid upon the body of a son, we speak to that heart, be whole in Jesus name. And we believe in that anointing that destroys the yoke now. Father, I thank you for wholeness. Oh, there it goes in you wholeness. For him, in Jesus name, we thank you. What about you? How you doing love? Where is it? Did you have difficulty? Well, it replaced my left hip already. Okay. He said my right one has to be replaced because of genetics. They replaced my right shoulder. They say my left one has to be replaced. Father, we thank you. We thank you for all. We thank you for parts that are whole. We thank you for it. We thank you for it. Father, we glorify you. What about you, love? Both knees. They've told me to be replaced. So I get injection every three months. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to hold me out. I would like spare parts. That's exactly right. Yeah, sure it is. Sure it is. But there's an but. Then there's the anointing factor. That's right. Father, we thank you. Oh, there went in you love. We thank you Father, we thank you. What about you, sir? Three weeks ago you had a knee replacement. Swollen. Yeah, sure, sure. Father, we thank you. We thank you Father, for wholeness. A knee that functions whole. In Jesus name. We thank you for it. What about you sir? Now I want that lady. Grab her back, Jacob. I want her back. I'm scheduled to pay for back surgery in three weeks. Yeah. All of them I've already had. Yeah. How many have you had, do you know? Five. Five? Yeah. Father, we thank you for whole. Oh, we thank you. Making whole. Making whole in Jesus name. Thank you Father. Tell me. She had bone on bone in both knees. They wanted to do knee replacements in both knees. It would just crunch and it's not crunching them. Yeah. No pain. Before you came up, did you have pain? Yes. All the time. All the time you had pain. I will stare sideways because it hurts. Uh huh. Go up those stairs. Go up, go up and come down. It feels so good to feel good, doesn't it? No pain. The rest of you, you can do the same thing. I said you can do the same thing. The same anointing went in you Hallelujah Praise the Lord. God bless you. What about you, sir? The right foot, It's hurt for the last 12 years. Yeah. Yeah. We're done with that. We done with that. We decide. We're done. Father, we thank you for that anointing that destroys that yoke. Making whole in Jesus name. We thank you for it. We thank you for it, Father. What about you, love? Oh, really? Metal bands? Yeah. Father, we thank you for granting her her heart's desire. We thank you for wholeness in Jesus name. Ms. Reba, you got faith for this. She has metal bands around her tombs in the name. Yeah. We thank you for it. Thank you for it. Thank you, Lord. She flows. That's it, sweetheart. That's it. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Anybody else that had hands laid on you, do something you couldn't do. Amen. Something that would have been limiting, something that would have been difficult, difficulty. We thank you for it, Father. We thank you for it, Pastor. The power of God's on your knees. It's on your knees. Father, we thank you. We thank you that you have to carry him a good long time. We thank you for it, Father. Carrying him a good long time. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Some may say, well, we've heard that testimony before. There's not a stronger flow that comes until I tell that testimony. You want to hear it again, because it gets stronger under that testimony. Don't ever sit and say, I've heard that testimony. That's the testimony that brings in that healing anointing stronger than any other sermon, any other flow. So you want to say, can you tell it tomorrow night? I'm just telling you. People are so carnal in their thinking sometimes. Say, well, you've told it. I've heard it. It's about the flow. It's about the anointing that comes in. In the telling. Amen. We thank you, Father. Just lift up your hands, Kenny. Get right here. Get right there. Somebody get behind him. Father. No more. No more issues. No more issues. There's an angel working on you, Kenny. We thank you. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. Sa. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. The devil knew the strategic role God had for you in the plan. But no weapon formed against you. No weapons. No weapon. We thank you, Father. We thank you, Father. Do something. Do something. You know, can I tell you something? I don't just need my body working right. I need those around me, their bodies working right. I need it. If I Need it. God needs it. Can you tell a difference in things? Can you tell the difference? I don't quite know that. I know everything that has tried to hinder you, but, you know, but you can tell a difference. In what way? What ways did you have difficulties, Kenny? Right now I have a big hole right here from that and I touched it. Sorry. Yeah. I hope I didn't hurt it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it opened it up. So with that incision that they made, we were on a five week European trip. And at the early part of that, right. Something started showing up. And he didn't say a thing to anybody until he got back home. He's military, you know, military don't talk. And so when he got home, some kind of medical procedure addressed that, but I don't quite know where that left you. Just left. Just, just breathing difficulties. Okay. Muscular, probably mobility. You couldn't do that. You couldn't do. Brother Kenny was 30 years in the Navy. 30, 18 years in the Navy. And then he. I didn't know what he went into after that, what profession. But God spoke to me about him and said that he was to oversee our aviation department. And he oversees the miracle crusades, the organization of it and other Wears multiple hats. And I didn't know what he did with his previous job, but come to find out he oversaw what, 750 employees. Was it that? And in a air. An airplane aerospace manufacturing company. Right. Like no one of God said him over the aviation. I had no idea he was doing something like that, but I called him and I said, what I'm offering. And I said to him, I said, tell me what salary you need. I mean, how many kids you got? 94 now. No, tell them how many you got. Yeah. 10. 10 children. 10. And his wife, what was she, 52 when she got pregnant with her last, she went to the doctor and she said, I think I'm going through the change of life. He said, yeah, your life's going to change. But anyway, so I said, kenny, tell me, what do you need, you know, financially for you to live on? And he said, pastor Nancy, he said, I need the plan of God. So whatever this is the plan of God, whatever you do is fine. And I said, well, we'll take care of you. But anyway, when he gave the right answer, that matters. It matters. And so we need all of us running fit. God needs us. Amen. He needs us whole. He doesn't need us struggling. Amen. So we're not putting up with any. Remember what Jesus asked brother Noah, how long are you going to put up with those growths on your daughter's hands. Amen. And so he came back from heaven, went in her bedroom, laid hands on her, and they were still there. But for the next 40 days, he thanked God. He just thanked God. And one day, they all just disappeared in a moment. Why? Because a man decided he's not going to put up with it anymore. So we decide. We decide now. We're not putting up with anything that hinders us, that robs this temple of its highest purpose. Not going to put up with it anymore. Amen. And we just. We hold to that, no matter how long we. We hold to that the rest of our life, don't we? Hallelujah. Father, we praise you. We thank you, we trust you've enjoyed this message. 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