Episode Summary: Recognizing The Anointing

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Host/Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Event: Miracle Crusade 2022, Georgetown, TX
Date: September 12, 2022

Overview: Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers on recognizing, understanding, and responding to the anointing—the tangible presence and power of God—in Christian life and ministry. Pastor Nancy Dufresne uses scripture, practical ministry experiences, and lessons from spiritual forebears to illustrate how believers and ministers can become more skillful with the flow of the Holy Spirit. The aim is to call Christians to greater awareness of the anointing, encourage them to press into deeper moves of the Spirit, and highlight the generational responsibility to steward and perpetuate authentic spiritual flows.

Key Points & Insights

1. Ministry of Healing and the Power of Corporate Faith

• Tangible Anointing for Healing: The episode opens with Nancy explaining she feels a tangible anointing (sensation in her hand) meant for healing and instructs those in pain to receive by faith on the spot (00:45).
• Importance of Receiving Free from Distraction: "Pain is a distraction, not only a thief. It distracts you from receiving words." (00:26, Nancy)
• Corporate Faith Activation: She calls on the congregation to join faith together for healing, emphasizing the power of collective belief.
• Action Step: People act out their healing by moving in ways they previously couldn’t, and many report immediate improvement.
  • Memorable Moment: "Say this after me: I always receive. Because every time I release my faith, power always begins working in my behalf. It always works. Always works." (02:25, Nancy)

2. Lessons in Recognizing and Responding to the Anointing

• Following the Flow, Not Just the Program: Ministers are encouraged to prioritize following the flow of the anointing in the room over sticking to prepared sermons. (07:11)
• Sensitivity and Spiritual Etiquette:
  • Sensing the anointing does not automatically mean one should act on it; discernment is required to avoid disorder in services.
  • "Just because you sense it doesn’t mean you’re the one to minister it... That keeps people out of error, out of unsoundness." (09:40, Nancy)
• Learning by Association: Much of what one operates in comes by being near those with greater experience in the Spirit’s flow, not by being self-taught (15:20).
  • Quote: "God will train you under the umbrella of someone else’s anointing and flow, not because it’s yours, but because He’s letting you be in their classroom." (16:21, Nancy)

3. Scriptural Lessons on Generational Experience and Anointing

• Ezra’s Temple—The Danger of Inexperience:
  • Nancy draws from Ezra 1 and 3 (18:30–23:00) to illustrate how those leading after captivity only knew captivity—not the original glory of Solomon’s temple—and produced a lesser result, despite sincere celebration.
  • Key Insight: You have to experience a flow before you can adequately steward, replicate, or direct it.
  • "You cannot be all God, experience all God has for you, being self-taught—can’t happen." (27:32, Nancy)
• Isaiah 10:27—The Anointing Destroys Yokes:
  • True freedom and transformation come only from the anointing, not from mere religious activity or programs (29:19).

4. The Importance of Spiritual Associations & Mentorship

• Value of Spiritual Fathers and Connections:
  • Nancy recounts the roles of Kenneth Hagin, her late husband Ed Dufresne, and Kenneth Copeland in ongoing spiritual growth and impartation (44:10–52:00).
  • Quote: "Everything you need to reach the end is not on you. It’s on somebody else that you’re going to have to get around." (49:30, Nancy)
• Prioritizing the Anointing over Busyness:
  • Time and resources should be invested in being where the anointing is, rather than just in one’s own work.

5. Recognizing Authentic Anointing vs. Emotionalism or Imitation

• Skill with the Anointing Is Taught and Caught:
  • "The things of the Spirit, the things of the anointing, cannot just be taught through paper. They can’t just be taught through words. Words explain it, but you have to be around it and sense it to catch it." (34:15, Nancy)
• Dangers of Counterfeit or Shallow Religious Experience:
  • Nancy uses Ed Dufresne’s “dry riverbed” vision to warn against substituting hard spiritual labor and emotional hype for authentic flow (63:00–65:00).
  • Illustrative Quote: "They were in this cloud and they started shouting, ’Look, there’s the glory.' Something that their flesh worked up. And they called it the glory." (63:28, Nancy)

6. Generational Responsibility and Contending for Spiritual Demonstration

• Warning Against Losing the Move of the Spirit:
  • Nancy recalls God’s words to Kenneth Hagin: “Should I tarry my coming, that understanding [of the move of the Spirit] will be lost to future generations if you don’t teach them.” (60:00–61:30)
• The Need to Press for More:
  • “Once we have experienced the glory of God, the presence of God, the anointing of God—the flow of the flesh, you walk out cheated.” (26:00)
  • “If you’re not in a church that’s contending, there are things that belong to us that will be lost to us.” (62:06)

7. Practical Steps for Growth in the Anointing

• Becoming Skillful and Growing by Association:
  • Prioritize staying in right spiritual connections, being present where God has set you, and seeking to learn from those with proven spiritual depth (52:50–58:10).
  • “When God gives you an anointing he expects you to get around the right man to help develop that anointing. And if you don’t... you’ll get out of the will of God.” (54:38, Nancy)
• Maintaining Word and Spirit Together:
  • Churches should lay a solid Word foundation and marry it with the move of the Spirit; don’t rely solely on gifts (72:00).
  • Kenneth Hagin Quote: "Never pray more than your feet on the Word." (74:11, Nancy relays)

8. Living From the Flow of the Kingdom Here and Now

• Living in Righteousness, Peace, and Joy:
  • Nancy stresses the internal flow of the Kingdom—righteousness, peace, and joy in the Spirit (Gal. 5)—as the standard even in hardship (68:00).
  • “Not every circumstance will offer me joy. No problem. I brought my own.” (69:55, Nancy)
• Moving From Taste to Skill:
  • God gives tastes of higher anointings/flows to provoke hunger and growth, not for spiritual complacency (70:05).
• Skill Comes Through Experience, Not Just Good Intentions:
  • “What needs to become obvious to us, people are missing.” (56:00, Nancy on Hagin’s quote)

9. Songs & Memorable Moments

• Worship at the End: “We’re Not Rowing, We’re Just Flowing”
  • Captures the vision of being carried by the authentic move of the Spirit, rather than striving in the flesh (79:34–83:36).
  • Refrain: "We're not rowing, we're just flowing / We're riding in the river of God..."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Anointing and Receiving Healing

  • "I speak to every pain. I speak to every disease. I speak to every sickness. I speak to every symptom. You loose them and let them go. In Jesus name. You cannot have God's property."
    (01:31, Nancy)

• On Spiritual Etiquette in Ministry:

  • "Just because I know the song doesn't mean they've invited me to do the solo. Right? … It's the same thing with the anointing."
    (11:55, Nancy)

• On Spiritual Transmission:

  • “Everything you need to reach the end is not on you. It’s on somebody else that you’re going to have to get around.”
    (49:30, Nancy)

• On Living in the Kingdom Flow:

  • “Not every circumstance will offer me joy. No problem. I brought my own. The joy is in me. I don’t wait for circumstances to offer me joy.”
    (69:55, Nancy)

• On Staying Connected to the True Source:

  • “What a pastor needs is not for me to come to their church. Sometimes they need to get in the atmosphere where the anointing is… You can’t be so busy that you miss the anointing, because no amount of work…will make up for a lack of the anointing.”
    (36:45, Nancy)

• On Building on the Word and the Spirit:

  • “Never pray more than your feet on the Word. They have to be moving together equally to keep us in soundness.”
    (74:11, Nancy relaying Hagin)

Important Timestamps

• 00:20–03:40: Healing ministry, corporate faith, immediate testimonies
• 07:11–13:20: Lessons for ministers—recognizing flows, etiquette, story of Victory Thon
• 16:20–17:20: Training under others’ anointings
• 18:30–27:32: Ezra 1 & 3—spiritual lessons from rebuilding the temple
• 29:00–34:15: Isaiah 10:27, the destructive power of the anointing
• 44:10–53:00: Importance of spiritual fathers, mentors, association (Hagin, Copeland, Ed Dufresne)
• 54:00–56:30: Skill with the anointing, testing and proving spiritual flows
• 60:00–61:30: Generational stewardship and the warning to not lose the move of the Spirit
• 63:00–65:00: Vision of the dry riverbed, flesh vs. authentic Spirit flow
• 69:55–71:20: Living from the inner flow of the Kingdom
• 72:00–74:11: Foundational balance between Word and Spirit
• 79:34–83:36: “We’re not rowing, we’re just flowing”—musical illustration and recap

Tone and Style

Pastor Nancy Dufresne’s tone is both uplifting and practical, blending humor, warmth, and urgency. She draws on decades of experience, often referencing her own ministry mistakes and learnings, and balances encouragement for growth with strong exhortation against spiritual complacency.

Conclusion: Actionable Takeaways

• Value and prioritize genuine anointing—avoid settling for superficial flows or emotional imitations.
• Pursue spiritual connections and mentorships; recognize the generational chain of impartation.
• Build both on the Word and the Spirit—neither alone is enough; genuine moves of God must be rooted in scripture and sensitivity.
• Be present, teachable, and responsive in services to gain experiential knowledge of the anointing.
• Press for more—never become satisfied with the foundation when God offers greater fullness.
• Recognize the move of the Spirit is not just for ministers, but every believer is to grow skillful in yielding to God’s presence.

Final Encouragement:
"I'm not a rescue project. You're not a rescue project… I refuse to live anything less than days of heaven on earth." (69:33, Nancy)

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