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Can I take another rabbit trail? In the Old Testament talks about the spirit of counsel. Before you give out counsel, you have to have the spirit of counsel. Believers don't have the spirit of counsel primarily for everybody else's life. The pastor may come under that spirit of. It's called a spirit of counsel. You got no business calling up your friend or calling the loved one in the church and giving them your counsel. Because you're a staff member or because you're a congregation member, you don't know what the pastor has said to them. And your counsel, if it's not under the spirit of counsel, will bring confusion into people who call people just so they can find someone to hear what they want them to say. The spirit of counsel is not in everyone's mouth. Just because you have an opinion, that doesn't make it the spirit of counsel. Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone spirit of counsel. And people's lives have gotten off course. And people counseling people on their finances, telling people how to run their finances, how to raise their children, how to do stuff, and they do it without the spirit of counsel. And they're going against what the Holy Spirit many times is trying to work in someone. So just because you see your pastor lay hands on people, that's not an invitation for you to do it other than lay hands on people sick and they shall recover. God's not telling you go and pardon people. Don't do that if your pastor ever has someone. Because there have been times that we would have people up here that after a service, if you need the prayer of agreement, we'd have people come and pray the prayer of agreement. Then I'd see them start laying hands on the people. No, I asked you to pray the prayer of agreement. I didn't ask you to lay hands on the people. You can pray the prayer of agreement, but I can tell you lay hands on the people. Unless it's for sickness, you can lay hands on them, but you can't lay hands on them for their business. Because now you're going to try to impart and you're not authorized to impart. You're not instructed to impart. You're instructed to lay hands on the sick. Don't take your liberties. Because what you, you see someone anointed to do is not an example for all the laymen. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Well, we got to be taught. We have to be told. You think, well, I'm a believer. Yes, but you need to stay within the believer's authority. And that's different than the five fold minister's authority. Praise the Lord. But sometimes with these matters of tangible things, these things of the spirit, where there's not a scripture that spells out specific things, you have to just kind of through experience learn some things. And you want to listen to people who have more experience than you know God better than you walked in this, better than you still in the middle of the road, not in a ditch, balanced. And it's good to discuss these things. Ministers dad Hagin would talk about how sometimes these old, these seasoned ministers and younger ministers would get together and they'd sit and have conversation in front of the younger ministers and they'd hear things just from experience and how it would help them. The reason why we discuss these things because we only know one part. We only have a part, but if we get together to somebody else who has a part and then another part, you get more parts. Amen. So a couple of weeks ago, I don't know how a couple weeks ago, I called Pastor J and I said, I want to talk to you. Why? Because if I can find somebody I can talk with, we can pull that thread on each other. And I want to get some utterances and some handles on some things with this because of having more experience with it. I want to label things right as these experiences grow and increase, because they should be growing and increasing with all of us in a measure. Amen. And so I had talked to him. So some of the things that I'm going to say tonight came out of our discussion together. And praise the Lord. I had been at home, and it was before a miracle crusade that we were doing our own. And all the week before the miracle crusade, all throughout maybe three to four days, not consistently 24 hours, but for a good chunk of time every day, that tangible anointing just in my hand, just in my hand. Then you get to the miracle crusade and nothing you're going. I thought, because I'm sensing that in my hand for days ahead, I thought, we're going to have a wing dinger of a, you know, that we're really going to have a demonstration of that. Then you get there and nothing. It was almost silent. And in talking about this, Pastor J and I, this statement came out, sometimes that anointing is just a confirmation. You're anointed to do what you're doing. And because the miracle crusades are a bit of a new arm of ministry, is God confirming. Right before you go see what I said, connect the dots, pay attention to what's happening going on around the time you're sensing these things. Because there was nobody in my house to lay hands on, God wasn't telling me to lay hands on anybody. Dandy can only take so much. Dandy's my dog. So I learned to just pay attention to it. Dad Hagin said that there were certain tangible ways, and I don't want to specify I know he articulated it more clearly, but I don't want to bring that aspect of it up tonight. But there were certain manifestations that would happen in a service that were beyond just him feeling that coal of fire or he would talk about it, felt like a warm glow at times in his hand. But there were manifestations beyond that. And he said other people, he saw it in the healing, in the healing revival, they would have that particular manifestation and they would start showing it out and people would get, ah, you know, it would draw attention to the man. Brother Hagin said, that manifestation did not come in my hand so that I could show the people. It came in my hand as a confirmation that he was anointed. And he said when that certain manifestation would happen, he said, I'd put my hand in my pocket so no one would see it, but others would show it. But he said, and dad Hagin, this is the safety of him. He was so safe not to draw the attention to him. It's safe great to draw the attention to the anointing. But if you show some things that shouldn't be shown and tell some things that shouldn't be told, then people start looking at the man and start getting impressed with the man. And that's a danger. That's not only a danger, that's wrong. Amen. Praise the Lord. So we never use that anointing to draw attention to ourselves. That's part of the safety of it. Yet you do have to talk about it in a measure to teach the people. There are so many times that I'll sense that anointing in my hand in a service. I never mention it. Why? Because I'm not trying to get the people to think I'm something spiritual. Because I guarantee I deal with my flesh and my mind just like you do. And I don't want people to think that there's a. That I've left the human realm. But people can get that when they're young, especially spiritually young, you know. And so I don't talk about it every time just because it's not necessary. I only talk about it when it's necessary. Amen. Turn with me to Luke, chapter four. Luke, chapter four, four, 16. And Jesus came to Nazareth where he had been brought up. And as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and he stood up to read in verse 17. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And went he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written. I always appreciate this. Here he was, this verse in manifestation. But he still took time to open the book and he still took time to find the place. It's fine to quote scriptures, but it doesn't take the place of opening the book. Not legalistically, but in the sense of always value that you get to find the place. And he found the place where it was written in verse 18. The spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted and preach deliverance to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind is set at liberty them that are bruised to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Jesus told the people that he was anointed. Then he listed the job description of that anointing. This is what the anointing was to work and accomplish what he was anointed to do. He was drawing the attention of the people to the anointing. Why? So that they would release their faith in it. He told dad Hagin on one occasion. He said, that was the first sermon I preached in every city. Because the people won't have faith in the anointing upon me if I don't tell them the anointing is upon me. So evidently a tangible anointing has to have faith joined to won't work. Apart from faith, the tangible anointing needs the faith of the person that is looking to receive. Amen. Jesus, in quoting the Rockwall vision that dad Hagin referred to, Jesus told Dad Hagin in the Rockwall vision that he said when he anointed him with healing power. He said, this anointing won't work unless you tell the people that I appeared to you, that you saw me, that I put the finger of my hand into each of the palms of your hands. In other words, just because it's there, it won't work unless we handle it right. Unless we inform the people. Amen. So dad Hagin always did that. He had to tell them why. So that they would release their faith. Not so they would be impressed with him seeing Jesus. But they needed to know this was of Jesus. If they reject this anointing, they're rejecting Jesus. If they receive this anointing, they're receiving what Jesus has for them, not just what a man has for them. Amen. So that healing anointing is God's power. And Paul tells us that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but that your faith should stand in the power of God. Any flow of God's power has to have faith joined to it. For it to work for us. Amen. So you could say this, that the tangible anointing won't work randomly in random locations in random settings. Even if you sense it, and I'm talking to those who may have a tangible anointing, you can sense it in your hand. If that's a random setting, it's not going to work. It's not going to flow out to someone. So just because you sense it is not a sign for you to go around and lay hands on people that are in proximity to you. This anointing has to have faith joined to it. You can be at the relatives for Christmas and half of them not like you. And that anointing, even if it comes in your hand, that's no sign for you to start laying hands on Uncle Herb who don't like you. Unless God says something different to you. You know, certainly what he says can always guide you. But otherwise, this anointing has to be received. Amen. Praise the lord. Hebrews chapter 6, Hebrews chapter 6 and verse 1, Hebrews 6:1. Therefore, leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection or maturity, not laying again the foundation. So he's talking now. What are the foundation, principles and truths? The foundation of repentance from dead works. The foundation of faith toward God in the foundation is the doctrine of baptisms. Plural. Here, look at this. And the foundation of laying on of hands. There is a ministry of the laying on of hands. That's not every believer. That's not lay hands on sick and they shall recover. That's not what this is referring to. This is for someone who has a ministry of the laying on of hands. And that's not even every minister. The tangible anointing is going to be. When somebody has a ministry of laying on of hands primarily, they're going to have a tangible anointing. And it's not just for the sick. It's a ministry of laying on of hands, not just ministering to the sick. Well, Pastor Nancy, if it's that tangible anointing isn't for the sick, well, what's it for? Well, Romans chapter 1 and verse 11. I'll just quote it. It says this for I long to see you, that I may impart. There are impartations. What are the impartations for that I may impart to you a spiritual gift to the end, or the end result being that you're established. You can be called, but you have to be established. In some things there's impartations, and I can tell people who have been around who their divine connection is. And when they've received impartations, there's an acceleration with them. People who are behind in their impartations, you have to explain it to them four or five times before they even kind of halfway know what you're talking about. They're lacking on some impartations of even what that. The light that. That comes out of your flow. Well, that's through the lane. That's through the ministry of the laying on of hands. You impart to people. So you see us in part. Don't every pastor go home and impart under the same approach? Now, don't misunderstand me. God said something to me years ago. I would at different times especially I remember doing this when we had the tent on the property because we were in a tent before this building was built. And sometimes I would say the. I'd just say all the ushers, I want to just lay my hands on you and bless you. I'm not imparting. I'm just blessing them from my parental position of the pastor. God said to me, and I started doing that because the Holy Ghost said to me. So every time he would prompt me to do that, I'd take maybe the children's workers and say, I just want to lay hands on the children's workers and bless them. Well, I would do that when the Holy Ghost would prompt me. But one day the Holy Ghost rebuked me and he said, you are the spiritual parent of this congregation. He said, as a parent at home, can't you lay your hands on your kids anytime you want? I said, I can. He said, a pastor has the same right. You don't have to wait for me to tell you to bless your congregation. You're authorized as the parental role of this local church to bless the people anytime you want to. Now, that's not the ministry of the laying on of hands. That is just simply the authority of the pastoral office. Does that make sense to you? So pastors do that, do that, do that. I remember something that I heard a pastor quoting Oral Roberts years ago. He said, or Oral Roberts used to say, he said when he would get together with ministers, he would say, lay your hands on the people. People long to feel the touch of their man of God. That's a good. That's something good. We need to honor that. It's not us. It's what flows through our office into their lives. Amen. So the ministry of the laying on of hands includes imparting that you lay hands on to impart last night you saw that. Amen. I remember the first time, I remember where I was. I remember the meeting and Ed was there. And I saw Ed impart to ministers all the time. And the Holy Ghost said to me, in part to ministers. I thought, I said, oh, no. Oh, he means Ed. So I said. He said, impart to ministers. So I'm thinking, ed, you're the one that imparts to ministers. Would you come up here and impart to the ministers? He said, no. God didn't tell me. He told you. And I go, oh, shoot. Because to me that was off limits. That was like. But there again, I didn't know. Within a few years he'd go home and there would be some other things God would move me into. But I tell you, there was a reverence for that. I didn't want to do it. Not out of disobedience, out of reverence. For that's a sober thing. The next thing that is in this ministry of the laying on of hands, God said to dad Hagin, the same anointing that heals also fills when spirit that you can lay hands on people to be filled with the Spirit. And Dad Hagin, remember, he'd talk about the success that he would have as he traveled to these churches. He said, we're just a few. And the church would have the experience of being filled. And he says when he would go, everybody in the church, people that have been seeking the Holy Ghost for 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, he said, my best record is somebody who'd been seeking the Holy Ghost for 50 years. But when dad Hagin came, they received. Why? Because he had a ministry of laying on of hands. And for those people who were difficult cases because they've been entrenched in their doctrines and things, that there was an extra help for them and they would be filled with the Holy Ghost. Another one is to bless the people. And this is not just the pastoral office blessing the people. This is blessing the people through the ministry of the laying on of hands. And as Jesus would, he would have the children come and he would bless them. He'd put his hands on them. Then you remember before he was taken up, he lifted his hands, amplified says, and he invoked a blessing on his disciples. He did it through his hands. I had gone to visit on one occasion someone who was terminally ill. And they were still as best as they knew how, they were believing God to be raised up. But they were within days of going home to be with the Lord. And I knew that they were going to go home. So when I went to visit them, I sensed that tangible anointing come in my hand. Now, see, if you don't understand that, you're going to go in there and tell them that tangible anointing's in my hand to raise you up. Because that's what they. They still had not resigned themselves to leaving till their last. They were believing God to raise them up. And here I am, just a couple days before they go home to be with the Lord. That tangible anointing comes in my hand. If you don't understand these things, you're going to mislead them. And then you'll hurt your faith because you'll lose confidence in this. Why didn't it. Why didn't it work? And you'll start questioning God. But see, I was there under the ministry of the laying on of hands, what to bless. To bless their departure, not their staying, not their healing, to bless their departure. Does that make sense? And if you don't understand that, you'll think God failed because they weren't raised up. And I knew it was not for them to be raised up, it was to bless their exit. Well, praise the Lord. If you've ever watched any of Kathryn Kuhlman's meetings, you know what she would say? She'd say, once you realize you're healed, get out of the. Get out of your chair, come up. Come to the platform. Well, and then they'd come up and they'd testify to healing. And then she'd lay hands on them after they're healed. Well, why'd she do that? She's blessing them. They'd fall out under the power. And it was something that was an earmark of her ministry. And it was something that, you know, really introduced some things into that charismatic movement. Right. Well, she wasn't laying hands on them to heal them. She was not laying hands on them under a tangible anointing. She was just blessing them. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. Other times I sense in my hand, I'll sense a tangible anointing. There's nobody around. I'll sense it. When God's wanting me to pray about something, there's a leading to pray. I use it almost as a word of knowledge. When I sense that, I go, I need to pray about something. You go, what about. I don't know, I gotta pray to find out what it's about, what that power is coming into manifestation for. And then in reading this, because, see, my thing was, I had to find out for myself how it operates through me. Now, I heard My husband. And anytime I heard him talk about it, it was always in connection with laying hands on the sick. But one time I heard him say that anointing's been in my hand. I'm going to impart to the people. So then I knew it was for impartation. But 99% of the time when I heard him, it was always for healing. But after he went home to be with the Lord, and I couldn't ask him these things, and I started having more experiences in this. I didn't just assume the way it operates through me is the way it operates through him or for the purpose of it. And I started recognizing that I would start praying. And while I was praying, the anointing would come in my hand. Well, what is it? It's just power, manifestation. It's not healing power, it's power in manifestation. Well, that's a good thing to have power, manifestation when you're praying. It doesn't hurt. Praise the Lord. Then I was reading something when dad Hagin had the experience of that vision where he was taken to heaven, the rock wall vision. And Jesus anointed him with healing power in his hand. And he said this after that experience. He said, my hands burned for three days, just like I had a coal of fire in each of them. And I noticed it's normally three days when it will come. It's interesting that I noted that it was three days. Then he said this. Now when I wait upon the Lord in prayer and fasting, the same anointing comes upon me again. He's not laying hands on the sick. He's not ministering to the sick. He says, when I'm in prayer and in fasting, when he's in the presence of power comes into manifestation. Another time that I've noticed. And I say these so we can identify what to do when these things happen. Now, maybe it operates with you differently. You got to find out. But let me tell you my part. It might help you with your part. Another is, yes, I'll sense it when to minister to the sick, but I'll sense it when I'm to pray. And sometimes if it's in my hand and I'm out and about and I'm doing something and it just stays and stays, I go, I'm going to have to find a place to pray. And you go, well, is it for prayer? I don't know, but let's try it. Sometimes you just have to experiment with these things of the spirit in a way that's safe, you know, but. And another Time that I notice when that tangible anointing will come into my hands. When an angel's present because I was sitting, you say, well, how did you first learn it? Well, I was sitting in the back room several years ago and I sensed an angel standing there. And God told me what that angel had come for. And when he said that, my hands started burning. Well, so see, I pay attention to that, connect the dots. So sometimes when that comes into manifestation, I check, is there an angel? I check in here. I'm not trying to see something, but I want to be sensitive. If there's a presence of an angel, I want to respond, Amen, praise the Lord. That tangible anointing for me acts as a word of knowledge. Let me explain it to you this way. Sometimes after a service, let's say I taught or I did something in a. Had a flow in a service, and I'll sit down, I've turned over my part, and all of a sudden there will just be a flash momentarily of that power in my hand. I'll feel it, it'll just flash, then it's gone. Well, I'm already done ministering. If you're not careful, you'll think God wants you to get back up because the service isn't dismissed, the pastor's up there closing. This has happened to me many times. Well, why does it flash after you sit down after you're done? Because I got a clear in my spirit that I'm done. Because I check my spirit. Am I done? And then once I get that, I sit down. Well, if you don't pay attention and connect the dots and you sense that, you'll think you're supposed to get back up there. Why do I sense it after I sit down? Because God's already on the next service. He's dealing with me about the next thing. Why he's in front. He's not behind something he's already on the next thing next go around. Well, I got another service tomorrow night and I already got direction. It acts as a word of knowledge. I know I'm to minister by word of knowledge. Regarding healing, you say, how do you know that? I just sensed that the first time I. The first time I felt it and then I remembered it and apply it every time. When there's just a flash, I know he's a. It acts as a word of knowledge for the next service. Sometimes I'll maybe on a. Let's say it's a Tuesday afternoon. I got a Tuesday night service. I'll be in my hotel room. It'll just flash for a moment. I'll go, okay, tonight. It acts like a word of knowledge. I'll be ministering to the sick. Well, my normal plan is this, is I will teach first. Why? Because that's a safe thing to do. Teach first. I was in a church on Saturday afternoon. I hadn't done my first service there yet. My first service was going to be Sunday morning. And Saturday afternoon, that flashed in my hand. So I go, okay, tomorrow morning. Because normally on Sunday mornings I don't minister by word of knowledge with healing, because a lot of times that's just not the flow. That's for that service. And so I go, okay, I'll minister by word of knowledge regarding healing. And so I intended. I'm sitting there in the service the next morning, and I intend. God knows I caught that cue. I caught that cue. And I have to remember, I don't get up there and forget it many times. If I have to, I'll write myself a note because what he says matters. It's easy to miss your cue. And so I will make sure I remember it well. On this one particular occasion, I never had this happen. But see, I learned every time I have something a little bit different experience, I pay attention to it. So I'm planning on getting up and teaching first. Then after the teaching, I'm going to yield to the whole ghost in that arena. I'm going to set my spiritual antenna up to go that direction. Well, right before, right while the pastor's introducing me, it flashed again. And I thought, now I know I'm to do that. Why did it flash again? Because he wanted me to do it first before I talk. He's instructing me to do it now. But see, you have to have your spirit open. Don't get locked into what you always keep your spiritual antenna up in case it's a bit different instruction with you. So I knew, okay, get up and start with the healing service. And it proved out, you know, and we just. And then after I did that, then I taught the word. So that's why he gave me a bit of an additional leading with that. Amen. Well, praise the Lord. Now you say, is it right to treat that as like a word of knowledge? Well, it would just flash in my hand. Well, remember what dad Hagin was told by Jesus? He said when he was up in heaven and he anointed him with healing power. He said, if you put your hand on the front and then one hand on the back and the fire jumps from hand to hand, you know, there's a presence, evil spirit. That's a word of knowledge based on tangibility of the anointing. Well, see, you have a scripture for that. No, but we have experience of men, and we add our parts to it. And then we start understanding our part when we pay attention to how their part functions. Praise the Lord. Pastor J said this so? Well in our conversation. He said, there's a difference, and we know this. There's a difference between being healed with a tangible anointing and being healed by gift of the spirit. The tangible anointing has to have faith attached to it, but a gift of the Spirit doesn't. Well, see the woman with the issue of blood, she said, if I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. She kept saying it. She used faith. And Jesus felt the power that virtue leave him. There was a tangibility of the anointing. Why? Because faith made a demand on that tangible anointing. But then he went to the pool of Bethesda, and there's a man there. Wilt thou be made whole? And the man answers, I have no one to put me in the water. That's not what Jesus. He didn't ask him, do you have somebody put you in the water? He says, will you be made whole? Oh, he had to say, yes, I want to be whole. That's all he had to say. But he didn't. He had his mind on the water. And Jesus said, rise, take up your bed and walk. And he did. And then later he was asked, who told you to carry your bed? And he said, that man is healed. Well, who is he? I don't know. He never heard. He didn't know who Jesus was. Never heard a sermon. There was no faith there. It was all a gift of the Spirit. That wasn't tangible anointing. That was a gift of the Spirit. And it required no faith on the part of the One. But then he did have instruction later. Go and sin no more. Jesus found him in the temple. Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you. Remember that. I've heard Richard Robertson. You know, I so value ministry. My, my, my, how the body of Christ in him has a developed. A developed minister in his office. He's precious in his office. And that evangelistic office, such a purity flow. And in listening to him, he would talk about. He would tell us even stories. And even his daughter said, she says, you go to a store with him and he's got like healing lines around him. Well, that's kind of about that evangelistic out when they're out among the people. You know, there's just a drawing with that evangelistic anointing that you won't maybe see that operate the other way with other fivefold offices. And so I texted him and because I wanted to get some clarity of how it functioned, because he had said to us in the back room, he said, in the 70s, you know, his dad was on television weekly, and everybody knew who Oral Roberts was. I mean, it didn't matter what denomination you. It was just part of your channel watching, you know. No, are you TV singers? That's something, you know. And Brother Richard made a statement in the back room because they did a study and they said his dad and that ministry had 90% recognition. Or is that the word name recognition in the United states, that means 90% of every American knew who Oral Roberts was. That's an amazing thing to think about. Well, because of that, people know who Richard Roberts is. They grew up seeing Richard Roberts with his dad. And so now when people. When he goes into stores and his daughter said, people just crowd around him, you know, basically wanting him to pray. It's not because he asked them. It's because they recognized him and they initiated. He was saying that, you know, he's so precious. He loves people. Oh, he's. He's such an example for us in this. He was talking about. He was going through the Chicago airport, and I don't know if you've ever been there. Those. Those escalators go deep under that tunnel. I mean, they're very. They're very. The angle is steep. And he said he was either going down or going up. And another lady was on the opposite, going this way, and she saw him, and she said, brother Richard, I've got cancer. Pray for me across their passing. That's. And he reaches out his hand, he said to her and says, I curse that cancer in Jesus name dry up in your body. Well, see, you shouldn't do that, because nobody knows you. He's a recognizable figure. So when people see him, they know what he's associated with, and they release faith. They're releasing faith by that request. I shouldn't do that just because I feel. Feel something in my hand. I'm not recognized. And it won't do any good because they won't release faith in someone they don't know and someone they don't recognize. And Jesus told Brother Hagin, this healing anointing won't work unless you tell them. They have to have some knowledge about you. God doesn't expect anybody to receive from someone Blindly know those who labor among you. Amen. He's a recognizable figure, so he can get by with stuff. So if you just hear him do stuff, that's not. Oh, bless God, he does. I can do it. No, you can't. Then let me read to you Matthew 14:34. And Pastor Jay brought this verse out. I loved it in connection with Brother Richard. Let me just read it to you. Matthew 14:34, 36. And it says, and when they were gone over, they came into the land of Gennesaret. And when the men of that place had knowledge of Jesus, the men of that location had knowledge of Jesus. They sent out into all that country roundabout and brought unto him all that were diseased. Jesus didn't go after these people. They came to him because he was a recognizable figure. They heard of him. They might have even been in some of his services before, but they knew he was there. He was recognizable in verse 36. And they besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment. And as many as touched were made perfectly whole. They recognized him and they knew what flowed from him and they wanted a piece of it. And that's what you see with Brother Richard. They recognize that ministry, that name, and it's earmarked and joined to the healing ministry. So when they're out in public, it's appropriate for him to minister to people in a way it wouldn't be appropriate for the average believer. So I contacted Sister Pat Harrison. I start, let me get apart dad Hagin's daughter. And I said, did you ever see your dad out in public, just in a public setting, lay hands on people? She said, never. Now, he had a strong, tangible anointing. Then she texted me back and she said, now, I'm not saying that we won't see things like this in this era, but I never saw him do it. Meaning this. Just because he sensed something was not his instruction to do something. If you're going to do something, you need the leading of the Spirit on that doing. Amen. And really, when it says they heard of Jesus and they started bringing their sick, really, that's when they see Brother Richard Roberts out in the public. The Bible says, there's any sick among you, let him call for the elders. Well, he is an elder in the public church. He's an elder in that healing ministry. He's an elder in that evangelistic office. And they can be in the grocery store and see him and call. And he's such a statesman and such a gentleman in this that he says I won't touch their body because I don't want to impose myself and violate personal space. He says, I'll just reach my hand in their direction. He said that's appropriate, but he says, not appropriate to just touch their body and, you know, jerking things around. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. You say, then why does that anointing come in your hand if you're not supposed to do something with it? Brother Norval Hayes made this statement. So great is God's longing and desire to heal that when in the presence of sickness, that anointing will just come into manifestation. Just because it's God's longing, it's not God's instruction. Praise the Lord. We were in an airport in Russia, I believe we were in Moscow, Ed and I, and we were in the security line. And, you know, when you're in another country, you mind your P's and Q's. You might think you something as American, but they don't. You know, you don't go over there demanding your rights and anything. Your right is to fall in line. That's your right. And so we were in line, minding our P's and Q's. We're going to behave. Anything you say. Yes, yes, yes, I speak Russian. Yes, whatever you say, that's what I do. You know, we do that in any country. Not just, you know, Rosie, you just mind yourself. And so I'm in line in front of Ed, but I'm turned around with my back to the front of the line and I'm talking to him. And so he's just standing in line and I'm talking face to face. And then he said, hmm, that healing anointing started burning in my hand. I said, look behind you. And they had just rolled up somebody in a wheelchair, and they were dwarfed. I mean, their body was very tiny, but they were curled up and twisted in that chair. They looked maybe in the face, maybe 25. They couldn't have been over this tall. And they're just twisted up in that chair. Well, I want to learn. And since that healing anointing is just burning, he said, like fire in my hand. And I said, are you going to lay hands on him? Are you going to pray for him? What are you going to do? He said, no. And I okay, I didn't ask anything else because when Ed's a bottom line guy, don't keep asking him questions. He will cut you off. Cut you off. So I didn't ask. But what was that? That was the longing of God, that there was a Need and the gift to meet the need was present. But that doesn't mean the faith to receive the gift was present. That was just the longing of God. He's always got help ready, but that doesn't mean there's faith. And not only that, the guys speak Russian. What you gonna say? You touch him, he'll. You mean touching people in other countries, they can't speak your language, and you tell them you're trying to bless them, they don't get your blessed hand off of me. You know, you don't presume because you're anointed. You don't presume because you're a believer. And you can overstep. Praise the Lord. Then Pastor Jay made this. These next few statements that I want to share with you, then I'll close this, he said. I noticed in the ministry of Jesus, in the Gospels, not one single time did the person fail to receive healing. If they came to Jesus and initiated.

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Their faith was on display through their initiative. But there were times. This is still Pastor J. There were times when Jesus went to the people in his own hometown and tried to initiate it and couldn't. Couldn't get them healed because they weren't initiating it. And he wanted for them to receive healing and offered it, and they didn't take it. And then he told me about a story I'd never heard. And he said, I believe. He said, I think I'm remembering it right. So there may be some details that are, you know, that aren't exact, but this is the import of it. He was telling a story about Brother T.L. osborne, of course, who was a missionary to many nations. And Brother Pastor J. Said T.L. osborne arrived in the airport and was walking through the airport with some of the pastors that came to meet him, that were supporting him in that crusade. They had put out big advertisement on the radio and in the airport with banners and pictures of T.L. osborne all over the city, that he was coming with a healing anointing to minister to the sick. As he walked through the airport, T.L. osborn said, suddenly the healing anointing came into manifestation while he's just walking through the airport, and he didn't know why. Within a moment or 2, someone behind TL Osborne started hollering and screaming, I'm healed. I'm healed. The man had heard the advertisement, saw the pictures of T.L. osborne, and when he saw the man he had faced, he had knowledge. He had knowledge of this man of God coming, and he released his faith. But just because T.L. osborne felt the anointing tangibly was not a sign for him to stop and have a healing service in the airport. You don't always act on what you feel. Note what you feel, but use. Use the leading of the spirit of what to do. Amen. And the man had heard the advertisement. He saw the pictures. And when he saw that he arrived and that he was the only white man in the airport, he concluded, this has to be him. And he touched TL Osborne from behind and was healed. TL Osborne did not initiate that. And although that power came into manifestation, TL Osborne didn't have to do anything with it. The one believing did something with it. And I've noticed this, the further I go in the spirit, the more experiences of this I have. So if we're in the flesh too much, we'll have less of it. Amen. I love something Pastor J. Pointed out in Acts chapter five, and you need to go back and read it later. But we can't read the whole passage for time's sake. In Acts chapter five is, the multitudes were healed as the shadow of Peter passed by. Remember, he was coming. They went and got all of the sick, and they laid him out in the street in the shadow of him passing by. Well, the religious leaders did not congratulate him. They pulled him before the council, imprisoned them. And while they're in prison, an angel comes and opens the door and said, go stand in the temple and tell. Speak the words of this life. So they go out preaching. And when they go to pull them out of jail the next morning, they're not there. And they said, the ones you imprison, they're out of the temple preaching. So they hauled him back before the council and threatened him not to do that anymore. And this is one statement that Peter made to that council. He said, we are his witnesses of these things. He's talking about Jesus, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that O and I love something, Pastor J. Said. He said, this passage says to me that the anointing of the Holy Ghost gets stronger on those who obey him, because Peter said so. The Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. He's not talking about the infilling of the Holy Ghost. He's talking about the manifestations of those miracles that happened. You have to know the context. He wasn't talking about people being filled with the Spirit. He's referring to the context of that shadow, that anointing that went out from a radius from him and raised up the sick. And he said, I was obeying God. You're telling me not to do it. And I was obeying God. Because I obeyed God, the anointing was strong on me. Amen. Amen. Praise the Lord. Sometimes, like I said, sometimes you have to experiment with some of these things. Now, for example, I would know by word of knowledge that there were healings taking place. And you might have seen. I'd be in a service and I'd say, maybe somebody's elbow's being healed or. Because I'd get the word elbow. So I'd say, who needs a healing in their elbow for a long time? I'd say, come up here and I'll lay hands on. Why? Because I was used to laying hands on people. And sometimes you can sense that anointing. So you think, I'm just supposed to lay hands on people. So I would do that. And I realized I'm getting worn out. I'm preaching. And then that tangible anointing going through you, it makes a draw on your strength. And it's almost to the point where you got. I hope there's not a lot of healings we call out tonight, you know, just for strength, strength purposes, you know, because I got to do preach in the morning and tomorrow night, you know, whatever. And so then when Brother Richard came, I noticed he didn't say, who needs it? I noticed he didn't call them forward. I noticed when he had a word, he would say, if it were elbow, he'd say, God is healing your elbow right now. I wouldn't. So I said, wait a minute. God hooked me up with him. I better be a student. Let me try it the way he does it. See, you gotta experiment. So I thought, I'm gonna do it the way he does it next time. He's got more experience in this flow than me. So I thought, okay, the next time that word of knowledge comes in the church, I'm gonna do it the way he does it. So I didn't say, who has a problem with your elbow? I would say, somebody's elbow's being healed, just receive it right there. And then I'd start calling out somebody, something else. I would always ask out the end, who in here can tell a difference in their body? I notice at least double were seeing results than those I'd laid hands on. So I saw even though the anointing is tangible, I still wasn't getting the amount of results with that tangible anointing by laying hands on them as I was by just doing it by word. Of knowledge and by words. Then I wasn't as tired. I just called it out and I was getting more results. You have to find out what gets the results. Praise the Lord. Are you helped in this? So when God had me to invite Brother Richard here, what a help it was to me to observe his flow. Now, I'm not saying that you go out and you automatically do it the way somebody else does it, But I'm saying this. It seemed to me when you're laboring over a certain flow, evidently there's another way to carry that flow out. And I was laboring over that flow in the sense of it was drawing a lot out of me. And I thought, surely there's another way I can do this better. And then when Brother Richard came and was doing it so skillfully, I go, wait a minute, wait a minute. So it does matter who you connect to. It does matter who you look to as an example. Because it could have taken me years of doing it the laborious way. Because just because I thought if I sensed it in my hand, it had to be my. Now, don't misunderstand me. If God tells me to do the hands, I'll do that. But I noticed this. When it comes to word of knowledge, it doesn't necessarily stay. It flashes. Why is it flash? Because it's not by the laying on of hands that the power is going to be administered to them. It's through that word of knowledge, the gift of the spirit, and they had released their faith. Amen. Are you helped tonight? Praise the Lord. That's all I know about that. Told you all I know about that. Amen. Because really, I assumed by listening to my husband, because he referred to that anointing so much in connection with healing. I assumed that all tangible anointing was for healing. It's not true. In my life, it's not true. Also notice it's in connection with. With prayer. It's in connection with angels, other manifestations and stuff. Well, praise the Lord. Stand with me to your feet. Praise the Lord, Father, how do you want me to do that? Let's just lift up our hands and worship the Lord. Father, we worship you. Thank you for your word. We're learning. We're learning. We're learning. Thank you for the help. Thank you, Father. The important thing, Father, is that we minister in the power of the spirit. These spiritual things are not. It takes experience with these things to be able to articulate some things. So thankful for all the men who have gone before us that led us through example. Thank you. For those examples, we'll be good students. We'll pay attention, we'll study these things. But Father, we thank you that there's even light for our era. And so we say we're hungry for them. We're hungry for the light that we need to walk in this era. Not ever discounting or dismissing what's been brought through previous years, but adding to it in this era. We say we're hungry for it. Hallelujah. Just raise up your hands and let's just worship the Lord. All the minister's children, if you're in here and you're a minister's child, come up here and I'll have the guys move.

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All ages. When I say children, I don't mean toddlers only. If you are here and you are a daughter, a son of a. Hallelujah. Now, I want to say something to the ministers and to the children, and that is this. God did not put your parents in one flow for you to go in a different flow. God is. It says he's the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They were all carrying on the next. The next leg of the race. So that means pay attention to where your parents feed, and you feed there. God's not changing your flow. He doesn't raise you in one flow so that when you get older, you can switch flows. So just know that you don't get on YouTube and find somebody else who's popular and make them your flow. They're not your flow. The flow is going to begin with the one in authority over you. What flow did God have them in? He's already showing you your flow. Don't get confused. Don't get sidetracked and taken off course. Pay attention to where your parents feed. Because God is authoring divine direction for future generations when he hooks your parents up to a certain place. And I'm not saying that about me hooking up to this ministry. I'm saying wherever God hooks your parents up, he intends for you to be familiar with that flow. And I would encourage parents, as much as you can, bring your children to the same meetings you go to so they can get impartations like you get. But if you leave them at home and they're never around the flow you're around, then it's gonna. They're gonna get interested in something else. And so it's your job to keep them around as much as you can. And I understand kids are in schools and different parts of life, but I'm saying as much as you can understand, they need to Be around what you're around so they can operate what you're operating in. Praise the Lord. I'm gonna have Stephen and Morgan come and lay hands on these. Hallelujah. Thank you, father. Thank you, father. Thank you, father. Sa. You know, one thing about my children is they've never expressed, if they've ever thought it, they've never expressed it to me, that they had to have their own ministry, that they wanted to start something on their own apart from our. Now, I'm not saying that every ministry, all the children always work together with the parent, but don't have the mindset. You got to have your own success. Your success is helping somebody else succeed. And that begins first at home. Amen. Don't find your worth by having your own. Find your worth by serving where God, God tells you to be. Amen. And take the head start that your parents gave you by not starting all over again in your own. And then it's hard. Amen. Praise the Lord. Father, we thank you tonight. We go ahead and bring this back. We thank you, Father. Father, we're learning. Learning. We thank you. We thank you for this classroom that we can come to. Thank you. That people are hungry to know and hungry to be skillful. You know, I'm reminded you have probably read after John Alexander Dowey, and you can't discredit the miracles and what was deposited as an example in the body of Christ. And he would take his congregation and they would go to whole communities, and I mean, they'd get a trainload of them, and they'd go to a community and have a revival because the people that worked with him had been taught how to cooperate with what God was doing. So it does matter that it's more than the ministers know how to cooperate with the anointing. Those present need to. You need to know how to function with your pastor. Know how the anointing works through them. Learn it. Learn how the anointing works through your pastor so that you can hook up and help your pastor go further in what he's anointed for. Not just sitting there and. And wait for the service to start, you know, but you gain skill with cooperating and assisting your man of God. Amen. Hallelujah. Father, we're so grateful. We're so, so grateful. Just lift up your voice and worship the Lord. Pastor Noel, come up here and just follow what's in your spirit.

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This year, Pastor Nancy prophesied about see, say and see. Oh, especially in ministers. Only great example I can say to you is Jeremiah, chapter 1 the Lord said he was in the spirit as we. It was in the spirit, said Jeremiah. What do you see? Jeremiah has to say it, what he's seeing. It's my heart to say to you before pastor called me that we are now in the place of the flow of this spirit of sin. And now. And the Lord said, it doesn't make sense what Jeremiah saw. He said, I see an almond tree. Remember that? It doesn't make sense. But he has to say what he sees. Even it doesn't make sense. A seeding pot. I mean, I just don't have the word right now, but you can see. But he has to say what he sees. This is the time of saying and seeing. And it's time now because hallelujah. I'm just a moko. I'm gonna get into the spirit so we can. I can know I can see something. Amen. Huh? You know, we have a. Our spirit can say, see things, say it. And God said, I will hasten my word to perform it. That's what the time we are in now. When you see in your spirit and say he'll perform it. The hunger. You get into the spirit. Spirit to see the hunger, the hunger to see the plan, the purpose. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see that, lord. Ha. Aha. Yes, lord. Aha. Yes, lord. Ah. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Yes, yes, yes, lord. Yes, lord. I see. I see in my spirit angels, angels, multitudes. Multitudes of angels ministering alongside ministers, especially those that have a healing anointing for his people. The longing of God for his people. For his people. I see it. I see. I see. I see. Ah. Oh. Yes, Lord. Yeah. Yes, lord. Yes, lord. Yeah. I see it, lord. Ah, yes, lord. Yeah. There's a degree some of us ministers are operating, but there will be an impartation tonight. I see. I see. Oh, yes, Lord. Yes, See, Pastor. I see, Pastor. Pastor Nancy, I'm not instructing my pastor. I love my pastor, but I see. I see, Pastor. Laying hands on the ministers, and the greater flow of the spirit of seeing and knowing will begin to flow. Ha ha. Yeah. Yes, lord. Yes, lord. Yes, lord. Lord. Haha. Yes, lord. Oh, my lord. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, lord. Yes, Pastor. Now he will hasten his word to perform it. As you lay hands on all of us ministers, the spirit of singing knowing will be in a greater flow.

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Will be in a greater flow. In your private time. Haha. You will see it it and you will speak. This is how the miracles will work in a greater way, in a greater measure. You'll see it and God will move. God will flow. The power of God will flow. The miracle power of God will flow. Whatever you he will hasten it will oh my God. It will be a spirit of acceleration. But you got to say what you see. You gotta let who live in that place in the spirit for us to see it. Amen.

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Jesus, we thank you for that which you have received. We purpose to be faithful stewards, but not only faithful stewards, good stewards, skillful stewards. So we look to the divine help that is always ours. We thank you for it. Thank you for making us a blessing that we may be a greater blessing. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Well, you don't want to miss in the morning, don't want to miss tomorrow night. Amen. Hallelujah. Well, turn around to somebody before you're dismissed and say, his plan gets me the best life and you can be dismissed. God bless you. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings. Share your testimony, become a partner or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of Dufresne Ministries.