Podcast Summary: Worship, The Proper Approach | Nancy Dufresne | May 12, 2019 | Merced, CA

Host: Dufresne Ministries
Speaker: Pastor Nancy Dufresne
Date: May 14, 2019

Overview

This episode centers on the theme of worship as the proper approach to God, exploring how intentional, heart-led worship affects the believer’s experience of God’s blessings, anointing, and guidance. Pastor Nancy Dufresne shares personal anecdotes, spiritual revelations, and teachings inherited from Brother Norvel Hayes, emphasizing the necessity of worship not as a segment of time, but as a continual, reverent lifestyle that fosters deep relationship and invites God’s presence and power.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Prophetic Encouragement and Spiritual Atmosphere

• (00:22) Nancy opens by relaying prophetic words and personal spiritual experiences, including a sense of ‘turnaround’ and ‘standing at the threshold of destiny.’
• Emphasizes recognizing God’s signals and corporate anointing in worship gatherings.

2. Legacy and Stewardship of Worship Revelation

• (04:15) Discusses Brother Norvel Hayes’ passing and feeling a call to steward his revelation on worship.
  • "Since Brother Norvel has gone to heaven, someone needs to steward the revelations he brought."
• Shares the significance of honoring anointed individuals and the tangible impacts of their spiritual lives (e.g., testimonies about the anointing lingering on objects).

3. Personal Spiritual Experiences

• (10:38) Recounts angelic visitations and the impartation of revelation, underscoring that spiritual 'messages' must dawn within the preacher to be effective.
  • Quote: "Just because you hear a sermon doesn't mean you have the anointing to deliver it. You have to have something dawn on your spirit so that it can hit the target with people."

4. Teaching from Brother Norvel on Worship & Blessing

• (14:18) God’s words to Norvel: "My children basically love me, but they live in poverty and sickness and defeat...because they don't worship me enough."
• Explains: Teaching, confession, and praying for the sick do not replace the unique effect of worship.
• The more time spent in worship, the more believers understand and experience spiritual realities.

5. The Principle of Time in Worship

• (19:10) "The more time you give to something, the more you'll understand it, the more you'll see it. It's the same thing with worship."
• Not about legalistic, scheduled devotion, but a devoted life woven throughout the day.

6. Lifestyle of Worship vs. Legalism

• (21:12) Worship should be a continuous, heartfelt flow, not a rigid duty:
  • Quote: "It's not about a devoted devotional time—it's about a devoted life."
  • Avoid turning worship into just a mental or legalistic activity.

7. Practical Habits of Worship

• (25:56) Use daily activities as cues for worship (e.g., praying every time you get in the car, as suggested by both Nancy and Kenneth Copeland).
• Worship is effective when it's heartfelt, not mechanical.

8. Proper Approach to God – Scriptural Illustrations

• (38:50) Explains the importance of coming to God with worship, not panic or crisis:

  • Jairus (Mark 5): Fell at Jesus’ feet and worshiped before making his request.

  • Syrophoenician Woman (Matt 15): First approached Jesus in panic and got no response; when she shifted to worship and humility, Jesus called her faith ‘great’ and granted her request.

  • "Worship moved her from fear and panic to great faith." (01:02:40)

  • Jesus responds to faith—revealed in worship—not panic or crisis mentality.

9. Worship: The Key to Living in the Spirit and in Victory

• (55:10) Worship keeps believers in faith, joy, and the spiritual realm, rather than mental cycles of fear, worry, or depression.
• "If we worship more, we worry less. If we worship more, we fear less."

10. Retraining Responses to Life’s Problems

• (01:06:30) Instead of defaulting to worry or panic in crises, believers are exhorted to train their first response to be worship and faith.
• Personal testimony: Worship was pivotal for Nancy in overcoming emotional struggles following her husband's passing.

11. Practical Application: Worship Out of the Heart

• (01:13:00) True worship comes from the spirit (the heart), not the mind.
  • "Worship that's mental misses the target... the anointing doesn't meet the mind; it meets faith, and faith is in your spirit."

12. Reverence and Respect in Worship

• (01:35:00) Cites Psalm 25:14 (Amplified):
  • "The secret of the sweet, satisfying companionship of the Lord have they who fear, revere, and worship Him."
• Shares stories illustrating the importance of posture, reverence, and tangible expressions of respect as aspects of true worship.

13. Call to Action: Living the Flow of Worship

• (01:44:40) Nancy calls for an intentional turn from worry to worship, emphasizing it is never about knowing all answers but knowing Who does.
• Worship is the spiritual habit that brings results.

14. Practical Advice: Advocate Specific, Thoughtful Worship

• (01:49:44) Encourages believers to worship intentionally, recalling and articulating specific acts of God’s faithfulness.
• "Put forth some effort beyond just reverting to just not being engaged mentally. Yes, it needs to come out of your heart, but your mind can recall and remember some things."

15. Conclusion and Worship Practice

• (01:55:00-end) Nancy leads the congregation in worship, modeling heartfelt gratitude and reverence, emphasizing the continual opportunity to choose worship and perspective, even in difficult times.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "The turnaround is right around the corner." (00:24, Nancy Dufresne)
• "Since Brother Norvel has gone to heaven, someone needs to steward the revelations he brought." (05:53, Nancy Dufresne)
• "Just because you hear a sermon doesn't mean you have the anointing to deliver it." (11:12, Nancy Dufresne)
• "My children basically love me, but they live in poverty and sickness and defeat...because they don't worship me enough." (14:32, God’s words to Norvel Hayes, relayed by Nancy)
• "The more time you give to something, the more you'll understand it...It's the same thing with worship." (19:10, Nancy Dufresne)
• "It's not about a devoted devotional time—it's about a devoted life." (21:12, Nancy Dufresne)
• "If we worship more, we worry less. If we worship more, we fear less." (55:15, Nancy Dufresne)
• "Worship moved her from fear and panic to great faith." (01:02:40, Nancy Dufresne)
• "Actions and words must match... God is not flattered into helping us." (01:01:27, Nancy Dufresne)
• "He will show them his glory, his covenant, and reveal to them its deep inner meaning." (01:35:51, Nancy Dufresne on Psalm 25:14)
• "If we'll worship Him, He'll get your answer to you..." (01:46:29, Nancy Dufresne)
• "How about we say that stops? I'm done responding that way. I don't have to have the answer; I know what to do—I worship Him." (01:45:35, Nancy Dufresne)

Important Timestamps for Segments

• Introduction & Prophetic Encouragement: 00:00 – 05:00
• Legacy & Worship Revelation: 05:00 – 11:30
• Personal Experiences & Holy Spirit Insights: 11:30 – 15:30
• Norvel Hayes on Worship: 14:15 – 21:00
• Devoted Life vs. Devotional Time: 21:00 – 28:00
• Practical Habits and Examples: 28:00 – 38:00
• Scriptural Case Studies (Jairus, Syrophoenician Woman): 38:50 – 1:11:00
• Effect of Worship on Faith and Experience: 1:11:00 – 1:36:00
• Reverence in Worship: 1:36:00 – 1:51:00
• Application & Call to Action: 1:51:00 – End

Tone and Language

Nancy Dufresne’s delivery is warm, instructive, and pastoral, combining practical anecdotes with scriptural exposition. She balances spiritual insight with accessible, everyday language, seeking to inspire both reverence and realistic application.

Summary Takeaways

• Worship is not a slot in our schedule; it is the flow of the believer’s life.
• Heartfelt, reverent worship attracts the anointing, destroys yokes, releases answers, and keeps the believer’s heart in faith and connection with God.
• Believers are invited to retrain their habitual responses—from worry and panic to worship and expectancy.
• Respect and specific, thoughtful gratitude deepen the experience of God’s companionship and revelation.

This episode provides a comprehensive, actionable blueprint for integrating the “proper approach” of worship into everyday life, ensuring believers walk in God’s best.