KT Smith: Breakups & Blessings

Summary

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Episode: KT Smith: Breakups & Blessings

Host: Bunnie XO
Date: June 4, 2026
Guest: KT Smith

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Overview

This episode features an in-depth, vulnerable conversation between Bunnie XO and influencer KT Smith. KT shares her story, from a tumultuous upbringing and traumatic experiences in youth, to high-profile relationships, motherhood, online hate, and her journey toward healing and self-awareness. The duo discusses family, faith, heartbreak, public scrutiny, and finding purpose through pain—with candid, relatable moments and a touch of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. KT’s Upbringing and Early Trauma

Timestamp: 06:06 – 21:30

• KT discusses growing up in Florida, moving to Tennessee, losing her father at age 4, and being raised primarily by women.
• Talks about changing her name after finding faith: “I always say it's like a before Christ and then after Christ.” (07:35, KT)
• Details her deep relationship with her mother and how a matriarchal family shaped her independence and “masculine energy.”
• KT opens up about childhood sexual abuse by a youth pastor, and the secondary trauma caused by victim-blaming in her church community.
  • "After some time passed, the youth pastor that I looked at as a father figure sexually abused me...that happened for about a year." (13:26, KT)
  • Describes being homeschooled because of the fallout and the judicial system failing her.
  • “In that time, I kind of just, like, really learned that church hurt comes from people and not from the Lord.” (15:09, KT)
• KT credits her ability to separate faith from people for helping her heal rather than blame God for her trauma.

2. Family Challenges & Early Independence

Timestamp: 23:42 – 29:23

• After escaping abuse, KT faced manipulation and addiction issues within her family—including a close family member’s opioid addiction and subsequent lies about cancer to cover for it.
  • “That’s where your severe independence comes from.” (27:54, Bunnie XO)
  • KT had to pay bills herself, ruining her credit and causing her to drop out of college.
• Relationship with her family was eventually mended after rehab and hard work.

3. Relationships, Public Scrutiny, and Identity

Timestamp: 29:48 – 53:10

• KT debunks rumors about her engagements (“Only been engaged three times. Not six.”), highlighting how the internet distorts her narrative. (31:25, KT)
• Details her relationship and engagement to country star Morgan Wallen:
  • Met in 2016 over Snapchat; engagement happened in a JCPenney parking lot for $75 ring—“Are we gonna do this or what?” (37:26, KT)
  • Relationship marred by infidelity as Wallen’s fame grew. KT expresses empathy for how the pressures of success affect behavior but admits the pain it caused.
  • “He still hung the moon and the stars for me...I don't blame him because I don't know what I would have done if I was put in that position.” (40:58, KT)
  • Describes trauma bond, repeated reconciliations, and eventual split.
• Pregnancy and single motherhood:
  • Found out she was pregnant after being sent home alone from tour while intoxicated.
  • Tells of being “hidden” publicly during their relationship and raising son Indigo mostly on her own until co-parenting improved.
  • “We talked maybe twice during my entire pregnancy...” (46:32, KT)
• Dispels rumors about reconciliation and co-parenting: “Absolutely not. No chance for us to get back together.” (50:02, KT)
• Rumors about songs: KT confirms some were inspired by her, including “You Make It Easy.” Considers Morgan her “twin flame,” though insists there will be no romantic return. (52:16, Bunnie XO; 52:17, KT)

4. Navigating Online Hate, Authenticity, and Plastic Surgery

Timestamp: 53:39 – 62:58

• KT describes the whirlwind of gaining a social media audience, the pressure to share, and harsh judgment—especially around her looks and “authenticity.”
  • “A lot of people don't think that I'm authentic on there...I'm an open book. Life is what it is.” (54:10, KT)
  • “You’re never going to be hated on by somebody who’s doing more than you.” (57:06, Bunnie XO)
• Addresses plastic surgery rumors:
  • Admits to veneers, Botox, and lip fillers—nothing more. “I get my lips done...Botox in my forehead, and that’s it.” (61:39, KT)
  • Candid about beauty standards and how old photos get misconstrued.

5. Healing, Therapy, and Relationship with Luke

Timestamp: 63:25 – 98:21

• Covers a car accident with friend Kaden (KT’s “not-dating bopping around” era), its impact, and subsequent close calls with mortality.
• Speaks on the much-discussed “pastor scandal”:
  • Details falling for a pastor she believed was divorcing, only to be ghosted and scapegoated by the church after his leadership discovered the relationship.
  • “The church started hating me, and I was like, why do they always attack the woman?” (79:53, KT)
  • Bunnie and KT critique how churches and patriarchy often protect men while blaming women: “You always trust men of the Lord, and you want to think this is a picture-perfect scenario.” (83:53, Bunnie XO)
• Marriage to Luke (“Montana Boy” from social media):
  • Describes quick progression of relationship after meeting at ACMs, cohabitation, and how age gap/social media careers created “ick.”
  • “With the social media stuff, how can I like, be attracted to you if I don’t see you as manly?” (95:27, KT)
  • Candid about co-dependency, needing therapy for deep-seated trauma, and learning to communicate and soften.
  • “I'm getting to the root of these issues...Let's work it out.” (96:51, KT)
  • Discusses the struggle to reconcile, KT’s willingness to fight for the marriage, age differences, and how self-awareness is the main takeaway.

6. Purpose, Volunteering, & Giving Back

Timestamp: 104:16 – 108:42

• KT volunteers at a juvenile justice ministry and an ALC (alternative learning school).
  • “There's so many signs...if at least the schools were more involved with mental health, then they could get through what they were going through. Absolutely no one cares enough to even do that.”
• Finds meaning in mentoring vulnerable teens, especially girls: “Be a kid. Talk to me about what you want to.” (107:53, KT)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Independence:
  “I think that's where a lot of my independence comes from, is having to be the man in my life.” (09:15, KT)

• On Trauma and Faith:
  “Church hurt comes from people and not from the Lord.” (15:09, KT)

• On Healing and Empathy:
  “I can’t speak on a season of life that I haven’t been through myself. And now I can.” (21:00, KT)

• On Public Scrutiny:
  “Are we using people’s engagements against them now?” (30:14, Bunnie XO)

• On Morgan Wallen and Fame:
  “I still can’t—I don’t blame him for it, just because I don’t know how it would be, to come into that much fame overnight…so I didn’t blame him for it.” (40:07, KT)

• On Being Open Online:
  “Life is what it is, and if it happened, I'll admit to it.” (54:16, KT)

• On Co-Parenting and Family:
  “We get along really well...If I am ever going through something and I need advice, that's who I go to.” (50:08, KT)

• On Learning and Growth:
  “You said something to me…if you don't learn the lesson, it'll keep presenting itself to you in different bodies.” (85:30, KT referencing Bunnie XO)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 06:06 – KT’s childhood and family background
• 13:26 – Church sexual abuse & fallout
• 23:42 – Manipulation and addiction in family
• 31:25 – Engagement rumors addressed
• 33:15 – Meeting and relationship with Morgan Wallen
• 37:26 – JCPenney parking lot proposal story
• 40:58 – Reflections on trauma bonds & staying in relationships
• 46:32 – Pregnancy, single mom era, co-parenting
• 52:16 – “Twin flame” & song rumors
• 54:10 – Social media, authenticity, and hate
• 61:39 – Plastic surgery confessions
• 63:55 – Car accident with Kaden
• 68:25 – The “pastor scandal” explained
• 79:53 – Church backlash, gender, and power
• 86:18 – Meeting and marrying Luke; gender roles, support issues
• 99:38 – Marriage, therapy, breaking patterns
• 104:16 – Volunteering, working with vulnerable teens

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Final Thoughts

Bunnie XO and KT Smith deliver a raw, authentic conversation about overcoming hardship and the power of self-awareness and healing. KT’s story dismantles internet rumors, gives voice to survivors of abuse, and models transformation for those facing similar battles. The episode is at turns light, heartbreaking, and hopeful, offering both wisdom and comfort for listeners navigating trauma, breakups, or public scrutiny.

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Find KT Smith Online

• Instagram: @JohnBoImKT
• TikTok & Snapchat: Same handle (comments currently off, but content still posted)

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Host closing advice:
“Don’t let these people dim your shine. You have such a light to shine, and God’s working through you in so many ways.” (109:17, Bunnie XO)

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Bunny XO Bunny XO.

[A]

Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy? Welcome to another episode of Don Blonde. Today I have the one, the only KT Smith in the house. Baby, hello. How are you?

[B]

I'm happy to be here.

[A]

You are stunning. When you walked in, I was like, oh my God, she's so pretty.

[B]

Thank you. No, I have some zits right now, but, you know, nobody can see those.

[A]

Stop it. You're beautiful though. Like, I feel like your beauty isn't captured online as much as as it is in person.

[B]

Wow. Thank you.

[A]

Is this our first time meeting or did have we met somewhere else? Because I can't remember.

[B]

I think we've been at the same places, but we've never met.

[A]

Okay, gotcha. Because I feel like I've met you before, but I don't know, maybe it's just because we feel like we know each other.

[B]

Yeah, we've talked plenty of times.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. So how are you doing?

[B]

Good. Is this, you know, living the dream?

[A]

This has been a long time coming. I feel like we've been talking about bringing you on the podcast forever and then we just finally were able to make it work this year.

[B]

We've had a few reschedules.

[A]

Yes, we have. We almost had a reschedule again today.

[B]

Literally. I was like, okay, maybe this isn't meant to be.

[A]

No. I was like. I felt so bad. I was like, tell her it's gonna smell like gas, but tell her. Just come on. The propane company, just for everybody, tried to tell me I didn't pay my bill, which is a lie. And they turned the propane off, and they said that our house smells like propane because as the tank drains. It was $21.

[B]

I just checked. What big spenders.

[A]

Are you kidding?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you believe that I'm gonna fight people whenever I get done with this podcast. I'm so mad. You have no idea, Katie, what I've been dealing with today.

[B]

Meanwhile, it's Antarctica in here.

[A]

It's so cold. I know. I feel so bad. I'm like, do you want my jacket? It's a Raiders jacket. She's like, no, thank you. So I want to get to know you. I did a little digging on you last night, and, you know, you're kind of like a, you know, enigma. You're this beautiful woman that's online that has a presence and all this stuff. Of course we know who your baby daddy is, but you have so much more to you, and I want everybody to know that about you. So I want to just kind of start from the beginning. Like, where did you grow up? Tell me a little bit about your childhood and all that stuff.

[B]

We're going through some childhood trauma therapy right now.

[A]

Oh, my God. What kind?

[B]

Mdr.

[A]

Okay. Yep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You told me that the other day.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, let me get some sessions in before I open my mouth.

[A]

No. Isn't it crazy that as adults, we're correcting things that we didn't ask to be done to us that.

[B]

But also, it's just, like. It's crazy how they even like me my whole life. I'm like, you have to work through this stuff, otherwise it'll come up later. And then you're like, oh, okay. So that's why I'm the way I am. But it's not bad. I mean, it is what it is, but I grew up in Florida and lived there for about nine years, and then I moved to Knoxville, Tennessee. My mom had been married prior to me being born, and so I have a half brother, which I don't think of it. It's like a half. But so we moved to Knoxville to be closer to him because that's where he lived and then lived there for, I guess. When did I move? I was 21. I had just turned 21 or 22, and then met someone and moved to Nashville. So I've been here for about eight years now.

[A]

I had read somewhere that you changed your name, like, the spelling of your name when you were younger. Why is that?

[B]

I did. So I started going by KT after I got saved. So I did it like Katie. I always say it's like a before Christ and then after Christ.

[A]

How old were you when you got saved?

[B]

Eighth grade.

[A]

Okay. So it was kind of like you were, like, shedding the old you.

[B]

Yeah, When I didn't change it then, I only changed it legally, like, three years ago.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But also it was literally Katie K A T I E. Smith. And anytime I went anywhere, there was like, 700,000 of them. Yeah. And that's kind of annoying. So now it's a little bit easier.

[A]

She's like, I want to be different. I need to set myself apart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love that, though. So growing up, what was your relationship like with your parents and your family?

[B]

My dad passed when I was 4, and so they weren't together, though. They were already divorced. And I found out. She says that I found out, like, soon after, but I'm pretty sure I found out a few years later. But, yeah, I was just raised by a single mom, and we've always had a really good relationship. She actually lives about 10 minutes from me, so we have a good relationship now. We've been through some rough patches, but other than that, it's just be. It's been me and her and my aunt and my nana, so they still live. Well. My aunt's been stationed in the Navy in different places, so where I grew up in Key west, she moved from there, so that was like, my happy place, like my home. But I haven't been back since she moved. But she lives in Hawaii now. But definitely always been surrounded by women, which I love.

[A]

I love that. So that automatically makes you a girl's girl whenever you grow around women like that. I've always had a core group of women just around me, too, and I just. I think there's nothing better than that feminine energy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just, like, you know, being able

[B]

to soak it up and being able to be. I think that's where a lot of my independence comes from, is having to be the man in my life. No, that also comes for, like, where I have issues where I'm too independent and I can't have that codependency. I'm just very much like, if I don't do it, it's not going to get done.

[A]

Type mindset because you're in your masculine energy. I am.

[B]

And I really want to enter the soft.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Era, and that's what we're working on right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I can't do that.

[A]

It takes time and it really. And I preach this to a lot of the girls that come on the podcast too, because I'm very in my masculine energy too. Like, I'm a boss. You have to. It's my way. Or the no way. Or like, I'm not going to ask anybody for help. But when I finally got with my husband, it softened me in a way that I can't even explain, because it was like, it was. I finally didn't have to take the lead anymore. Not saying that you need a man to be softened at all, because you don't. I. I did, because, you know, I just was fudgeing just balls to the wall. But you'll know. You'll. It'll hit you one day and you'll just be like, you know what? I just. You'll soften naturally.

[B]

I don't have to do it. All right. Yeah.

[A]

And I think once going through therapy, I think once you're done going through therapy and like, which, to me, therapy is just a forever journey anyways, I think once you get to a certain point in therapy, too, you'll. You'll have the coping skills and the knowledge of how you want to apply it.

[B]

So that's what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping because I. It's definitely taught me things about myself, and I'm like, okay, that stuff we can veto. Like, I don't want to carry that from the other generations. Like, I want to break that cycle and be able to let someone take care of me or, like, have decisions made together and it not just be like, okay, I'm the man here.

[A]

Yeah, I get it, though. And you're also a Scorpio, though, too, because you guys are, like, super headstrong. You guys are like. You guys are, like deep lovers, but at the same time, it's like, you

[B]

guys also have my way or the highway.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I get that.

[A]

So tell me about your relationship with Jesus. Because you talk about getting saved in eighth grade, and I. I do see that you carry that relationship now still into your everyday, like, online life also. So, you know, tell me about that relationship.

[B]

Yeah, it's always been really solid. So I didn't grow up necessarily in church. It was more of, like a holiday ish type, I always say, like, the Christmas family, but it was like Easter Christmas, whatever. And then when I moved to Tennessee, I was around people more that talked about it. Even, like, in fifth grade, like, a friend was like, oh, I got saved. And then I was like, oh, how do I do that? So I, like, when she mentioned, she was like, oh, you just have to, like, say a prayer. I, like, did it in the car one day after school, but it didn't really mean anything. And then I would go to summer camps and stuff because my mom worked full time, so I would go to all the summer camps, but I went to, like, Baptist church where I'd literally fall asleep. And then in eighth grade, I met someone on my softball team, and she took me to, like, this overnight, super fun, like, camping trip. And that's, like, where it really started. I was like, I like this a lot. So I started going to church with her. And it was all the time. Like, Sundays, Wednesdays, all the things. And we. It was a very close youth group to where we were always at the youth pastor at his family's house. I had a best friend that went through, like. She had a single mom, too, but it was, like, a little bit more rough. So she stayed with the youth pastor a lot, and I ended up staying there a lot with her just to, you know, do life. And it was a lot of fun. But after about a year of going, maybe it was. I don't know, it. I was around so often that felt like five years that I was there. But after some time passed, I. The youth pastor that I looked at as a father figure sexually abused me. And that was a lot to go through because that happened for about a year. And when I had told one of my other best friends, not the one that lived with them, after a little bit, she ended up telling her school counselor, and then, like, DCS got involved, and it was just like, a whole crap show that had happened. So I ended up 14.

[A]

You were 14? Okay.

[B]

13 and 14.

[A]

I'm so sorry that happened.

[B]

It's okay. It was definitely a lot. So I became homeschooled for a year because I loved that church. It was like, my family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And.

[A]

And people that you should be able to trust, you know, like that.

[B]

And then they blamed it on me.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. They were like, you're a home wrecker. All this stuff. When I was literally 13, I didn't, like, know what was going on, so I couldn't go back to that church. Of course he got fired, but it was still like, I'm being looked at the way I am. So that's why I was homeschooled is because it was just, like, this huge thing around it. And this is where I have an

[A]

issue with, like, because I grew up in a really religious home, too. I grew up Southern Pentecostal, believe it or not. And I just saw so much hypocrisy when it came to religion. That's why I always say, I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. Because it's like, these people were supposed to protect you and they were supposed to show you, like, you know, how to walk in life and, like, you know, faith and just. And that's an abuse of power, you know? But then to gaslight you and say that this was your fault, like, that's so disgusting and so not fair, and you didn't deserve that.

[B]

It was definitely hard to walk through. But, like, in that. Because, like, I also say, like, I'm not religious, but I have a relationship with the Lord because Christians have such a cloud of hypocrisy, like, around them. And I don't want to meet someone and then think that I'm automatically like that.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because there's just so many instances where I'm like, yes, certain things are in the Bible, but I'm not going to judge you for what you do. Like, I don't care what you do as long as you're not hurting other people. It's not my place to judge. And if all sins are counted equally, then I'm like, we're all weighing against each other here, and there's no reason to. But in that time, I kind of just, like, really learned that church hurt comes from people and not from the Lord. It's the people that have the higher powers, or so they think, and then they kind of ruin that perception of it. So it wasn't the Lord that did that. That to me, but we're supposed to be the church. It's not the church that did it, but everyone around it.

[A]

So that's so beautiful that you could take that kind of pain and still not be mad at the Lord, you know, because a lot of people will would be like, lord, why did you let that happen to me? You know, or, like. And for you to be able to separate that it was human error and not God having, you know, letting that happen to you is huge. Especially at 13, 14.

[B]

Like, that's why it was definitely hard. Yeah. Definitely battled with it. I definitely, like, went into, like, a dark period. And I mean, that trauma still somewhat carries with me with, like, my sleep schedule and stuff. Like, he would drive by even after that happened, he would work night shifts. He worked as a youth pastor, but also had an actual job. And he worked night shifts at a company that wasn't far away from where I lived. And he would drive by at 3am when he got off, over and over in his truck. And so, like, anytime, like, I hear that noise, I'm, like, still looking outside. And it's crazy because, like, 3am to me is, like, not the good hour. I'm like, as long as I can make it past 3am then I'm good and, like, safe.

[A]

But he is stalking you.

[B]

Yeah. And then a few years later, he actually reached out. I kept having someone call me in the middle of the night from a blocked number, and it would freak me out because I already hate that time. And finally when I answered, like, I would just hear, like, deep breathing, and I'm like, okay. Even sketchier, I got goosebumps.

[A]

Like, I want to beat this guy up. Like, you've already.

[B]

He's still a youth pastor, so.

[A]

Oh, my God. How are people letting him around children?

[B]

Well, we went through it. Had to go through, like, legal stuff, obviously, when DCS got involved. And after I had gone through that for about a year and a half of, like, talking to so many people and telling them the story over and over again, I was like, I can't heal if I'm just reliving this over and over again and nothing's happening.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so they were like, well, it'll be another until you're 18. Until, like, something was figured out. And so I was like, you know what? Just drop it, because I'm not dealing with it, because there was no evidence of it happening, even though it happened for so long.

[A]

So not. So not only did the church not protect you, the judicial system didn't protect you.

[B]

I don't feel like they protect many people.

[A]

No, they don't.

[B]

They kind of fell a lot of people. And I see it every day because I volunteer and see what these kids are going through.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, yeah, he reached out, and. I mean, he reached out a lot, but never said who it was. And then one day when I answered, he was like, it's me. Like, I'm sorry I put you through all that. Like, I'm in love with you. And I'm like, how did you even get my number?

[A]

And he was like, well, sorry, but how much older than you was?

[B]

33 when I was 13.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Wife, two young kids that, like, I literally would say were my brother and sister. They were the sweetest ever. And he's still with his wife and has kids. Well, that was when I looked. Forever ago. I'm sure they still are.

[A]

For a woman to stay with a man who does that to a little girl, that is so questionable to me. Like, I don't under. I. And I get a lot of slack for saying things like that on my podcast, but. Sorry. If you're a woman and your husband sexually abuses a 13, 14 year old and you stay with him, you are just as much of the problem as.

[B]

And you have a young daughter of your own. I'm shaking.

[A]

I'm so mad.

[B]

But when I asked him how I got my number, he was like, you tweeted it to someone, like, two years ago, and I found it. And, I mean, that's how long the calls were lasting that I would get in the middle of the night. And then I was just like, hey, I have evidence now of you reaching out. Because he sent me a text after that, too. I was like, I have evidence now of you reaching out. So, like, if you don't. If, like, just never contact me again, if so, I can use this as evidence, and it'll clear my name and people will know that you were at fault. So I'm going to get a restraining order. If you reach out again to call

[A]

you and say, it's me, I'm. I'm in love with you. I'm sorry for what happened. I'm in love with you. Like, how old were you when he.

[B]

17.

[A]

So you were 17. So he was almost in his 40s. And this woman is still with it.

[B]

I'm still underage.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God. That is disgusting. So did you finally get justice? Whenever. No. Nothing?

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Did he finally leave you alone?

[B]

Yeah. After that, I never heard from him again, thankfully.

[A]

But he's probably still stalking you online, I'm sure. I mean, if he knew. If he was holding onto a tweet from two years ago. Dude is still probably watching your every move. That is so scary, kt.

[B]

But he lives in Knoxville, so she's not close.

[A]

I'm so sorry. That is just. Really just. I'm just so sorry. You didn't deserve that. And I think, you know, you didn't deserve that now, too. So that. I love that for you, that you've been able to, you know, get to a point where you didn't blame the Lord for this, but you also, you know, held him accountable for what he's done. And you're speaking out about it now, which.

[B]

That he pulled me through it, and now I'm able to talk to people about the same thing. It's not, I always say like I can't speak on a season of life that I haven't been through myself. And now I can.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So when girls tell me about like what they've gone through, or I can either help them through it because I've been through it myself, or I can hopefully prevent it from happening and them know that they have so much more worth than what they think when you're that young.

[A]

I love that. And little girls need examples like you.

[B]

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[B]

Yeah. Prevents situations from happening for sure.

[A]

Absolutely. So moving on. You're 17, you're. You're picking up the pieces to your life. Where does 17 year old KT go from here?

[B]

Well, the other shoe dropped. Oh, no, I. No, it's okay. So I had a very serious boyfriend at that time and I was very close to his family as well. They were just what I wasn't used to. It's just like a full, huge family and it was just good to be around. So I felt safe. I definitely stayed. I think we were together for a little over four years and I stayed probably two years too long. But it was because their family felt so safe and great. So keep that in mind. He was with me through this whole scenario, him and his family. But I had a family member around that time get a little crazy. Just was like taking. I don't know if you know what tramadol is. It's like higher than ibuprofen, but it's prescription. But I didn't know what was going on. Like they had said they had cancer and quit their job. And the only reason I'm not saying who it was is just because I. It's a huge part of my story. But I also. They've changed so radically that I don't want them to. I don't want them to look bad or.

[A]

And it's your privacy that you're allowed to keep.

[B]

Yeah. It's just they've changed so much and I have so much respect for them that I wouldn't want them to go backwards from it.

[A]

Understandable.

[B]

But lied about having cancer, lied about all of this stuff. And I was having to pay the

[A]

bills

[B]

and them just. I had to move out because it was so bad and I moved out on my own and it was still going on to where it was like kind of suicidal. Like, well, if you don't help me, then this is going to happen. Or just crazy stuff. And it was just a lot.

[A]

That's a form of like trauma too. And it's manipulation. But that traumatizes the person that you're doing that to because they, they know that you love them and if they're Telling you that they're going to kill themselves, then you feel responsible for that.

[B]

Yeah. And it went on for about two years until, like, I was like, okay, I can't handle this anymore. Because it'd be like, oh, let me help you get a new car because ours got repossessed. Or, let me help you do this because otherwise our electricity won't be on, or I have to pay rent because we'll get evicted. My credit was absolutely demolished, and that's because everything was in my name. The apartment that we lived in, the utilities, the cable. If the cable bill, which I didn't know at the time, but, like, the cable bill wouldn't get paid, and then that would be mine in collections. Or the apartment that I thought was. I was paying that. I thought getting evicted from that and then having that on the credit. Let me help you get a car. Oh, wrecked it. Like, all this stuff is just piling on top of each other. And finally, like, once, like, the suicidal talk was happening. Like, I had just started college out of community college and I was going through exams and couldn't focus on anything, dropped out. But I finally got to a point and I was like, okay, you need help. So I went through emails and I realized that it was a lie. And, like, what was going on? Because I was like, what in the world could be going on? To act like this. To act like you got fired from your job for, like, a medical excuse, which at that time, like, that's. It would give too much information, but it just didn't make sense. And so I finally found out, like, called the doctor's office. Like, the doctor's office, like, didn't exist. Like, she wasn't a patient there.

[A]

This is where your severe independence comes from.

[B]

I had to be independent. Otherwise the other shoe. There were no shoes left to drop. Yeah. So I was like, you need to get help. They went to rehab, radically changed. So everything was amazing.

[A]

This is not to cut you off, but this was all. Okay. So you looked in those emails and you found out that this person was lying.

[B]

It was buying Tramadol online.

[A]

So it was an addiction, but they were covering up an addiction and saying all this other stuff so that they could cover up their addiction.

[B]

Yes. That's where all the money was going.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Because from when my dad died, we had money to. I think it was probably like 1100amonth. And that alone should have covered rent. Right. But I'm like, where in the heck is that going? Or if, like, when they had a job. And so it was Just a lot of dots that didn't line up. So that's when I was finally, like, okay, buying drugs online, lying about everything. That's where the money's going. It all made sense. So she ended up going to rehab, and it changed everything for the. It was so much better.

[A]

Oh, good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm glad because, you know, sometimes when people go the first time, it's not easy for them to come back and integrate into the world without, you know, falling back.

[B]

So. Yeah, well, I think they realized that it would. There was going to be a relationship mended or a relationship that would never be there again.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it completely. It took a lot of time to rebuild that trust, but it was completely built back up. Everything just seemed safe and clean and good.

[A]

So good. Well, I'm glad that that story has a happy ending. You had said that you. And during all of this, you're going to community college and you had to drop out. Did you end up going back to college after everything got better, or.

[B]

I went back a couple times, but never finished.

[A]

Never finished. So take me on the next journey of your life after you finally get through this. Does life calm down a little bit or.

[B]

Yeah. Where do we go from there? I feel like after that, that all of that, like, stress and trauma, I mean, I had broke up with my boyfriend that everyone thinks I was engaged to. Yeah. Never got engaged. Like, oh, she's been engaged six times. And I'm like, actually, yes, it has been three times, but not to him.

[A]

You can't help it that you're a bad bitch and people want to marry you.

[B]

Hello. Are we.

[A]

Are we using people's engagements against them now?

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes. Anything you see on me, see about me online is like, she's been engaged six times. I guess she's the problem. And I'm like, people, why do you have to write songs that literally try to, like, tie. Tie into my life? I guess she's a problem. And I'm like, okay, well, I just don't settle. So, yeah, for a little bit. And then I'm like, no.

[A]

Yeah, as you shouldn't. And I've learned with people online, they're gonna make up whatever they want. As far as I know, I'm a Trump supporter and I'm a racist. Like, I. And I'm like, haven't voted since I was 18. So I'm like, I don't know enough about politics to even give a opinion, you know, but it's like, they will label you and make up whatever they want about You. But if you ever fire back. Oh, heaven forbid.

[B]

You can't do that. Either you can't defend yourself, or it's a lie.

[A]

No. Ever. Yeah. Or it's like, look at, look at. We have her responding to us. It's like, they just love. You're. Damned if you do, damned if you're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you don't.

[B]

If you respond, they fuel it with fire. Yeah. If not, then they create the fires of their own.

[A]

Yes. So you were never engaged, he was just your boyfriend.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You've only been engaged three times.

[B]

Only.

[A]

So we're clear in the air. It's all right. I mean, I've been married three times. I. I hold that against me. I don't care. It's in my book. Like, you know what I'm saying? I think there's other things that you can hold against people than that. Like, that's crazy.

[B]

And I'm like, go for it. Like, what are you doing? Why are you so involved?

[A]

Yeah, like, what, are you guys jealous? You don't have three wedding. Or. What are they called? What do they call the engagement rings? You don't have three engagement rings. See, I don't even know because I've only just gone straight to marriage. I've never even been engaged.

[B]

Okay, see, I mean, that. I mean, I did that with Luke.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're gonna get to Lou, because I'm sure everybody wants to know about Luke, and I actually kind of want to know about Luke, too. But let's say. Okay, so let's dial back. So you broke up with him, and then where do we go from here?

[B]

I was working at a church at the time.

[A]

I love that you're always surrounded by the Lord.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think that's beautiful.

[B]

And it was amazing community, too. Like, I loved, love, loved that church. And that's where, like, my love for kids came, because I would volunteer in the nursery. But then, like, oh, my gosh. They. I guess they knew, and I didn't know, but they would give me, like, hey, can you stay after and, like, watch these kids? Like, they're really crazy like, this. Just. I was watching these two kids that have a parent that worked at the church. So when they were doing worship team, I would watch them. And then I ended up started working there, and I was still watching them, but she had two crazy boys, Very crazy. And they were like, you're the only one that can do it. And I'm like, all right, well, sign me up then. Well, you already have, but here I go. And my love for kids came from that. And then it's funny, because not only was I doing the kids ministry, but I was doing social media for them. Didn't think in a million years that I would be doing social media for a living. And then I met Morgan on Snapchat in 2016.

[A]

Not the old Snapchat romance.

[B]

Yes. And, I mean, we only snapped for about a month, and then we met right after my birthday.

[A]

And you met him before he was even Morgan Wallen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So you.

[B]

And I didn't know who he was. Right. He had. He had just been on the Voice. But I was. I didn't think that was cool or anything. Yeah. Yeah. When I showed the people that I worked with at the church, like, I was like, just don't judge, like, the way he looks because he had, like, long hair. And I was just like, just take it with a grain of salt. And she was like, oh, he's cute. And I was like, oh, you think so? So we started dating.

[A]

And how soon after you guys were snapping for that month? Like, what. What was the first.

[B]

A month later. We didn't have a first date.

[A]

Oh, so you guys just went straight into the frying pan.

[B]

Yeah. So I. He invited me to, like, his show, which wasn't really a show. There weren't many people there. Yeah. But it was with Josh Turner. And then we. He invited me to hang out afterwards at this bar. Shocker. And it was not. Did not go as expected.

[A]

Oh, no. What happened?

[B]

I was. He was not thrilled that I wouldn't go home with him.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And so I ended up going home by myself. But it did not end well in that aspect. Then my phone died. But then when I got home, he was like, I'm so sorry. Like, all this stuff. Like, I usually don't act like that.

[A]

Was he drinking? Whenever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yes, heavily.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

But then I was like, okay, whatever. We'll try again. So then we hung out again on Thanksgiving, and then a month later, we were like. We were pretty serious around this time, I guess. Pretty serious as in a month later. But, yeah, he invited me.

[A]

Jay and I got married a month after we met. So, I mean, you never know when you know. You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Or like. Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I've known a few times.

[A]

It's okay, though. Hopeless romantic is. I think it's a beautiful thing.

[B]

It can bite you in the bud. Yeah, it is, like, definitely great in the time being. Yeah. But a month later, he invited me to his family's Christmas and he was like, oh, it's just 15. I swear to this day, he still doesn't say that. It was only 15 minutes away. But I'm like, you told me that we were going 15 minutes away. It ended up being, like, an hour and a half drive with his, like, parents that I had never met in the car. And, I mean, it was a lot of fun, but I got there, and there's probably 100 people.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

I had to meet.

[A]

And so he did not prepare you at all for meeting the entire family?

[B]

Not at all. And then it got. It was really serious. We got engaged four months later in April. Which is funny because I always get engaged around Easter.

[A]

No more engagements around east coming up.

[B]

Easter's coming up.

[A]

Not doing it. I'm gonna call you that day and be like, listen, lady, not happening.

[B]

No, because my other two engagements were on Easter, and none of them knew prior. Like, oh, hey, she got engaged in Easter, like, two years ago.

[A]

Or.

[B]

Oh, she just. Yeah.

[A]

No, I wonder if it's a karmic pattern. I know you probably don't believe in that stuff, but I'll have to look into it.

[B]

Yeah. I want to know. Yeah. Because I need to stay safe. I need to, like, be in the clear.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll look it up for you later.

[B]

Thank you. Got engaged, and then.

[A]

So when you guys got engaged, were you, like, just head over heels for each other and you guys were just ready to start life together?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, throughout our relationship through, like, all the trauma and stuff, like, I thought he hung the moon in the stars. Like, everything that he did, I was, like, amazed by. But, yeah, he. We. My ring was from, like. What's that store in the mall? Store. Swarovski.

[A]

Swarovski.

[B]

Oh. So it was like a 75 ring. I didn't care. We. I was just like, I don't want a big ring. Like, you could do. It was like the whole, you could give me a ring pop thing. I don't care.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we. I was. Had to go to work right after that. So we had about five minutes, and in the parking lot, he said, are we gonna do this or what? And then we were engaged. No, that was their. That was the proposal at the JCPenney parking lot in Knoxville.

[A]

Listen, I think it's romantic.

[B]

Yeah. Not will you marry me?

[A]

Or anything, but are we gonna do this or not?

[B]

Yeah. I love that.

[A]

That's. That's sounds like something my husband would do.

[B]

And, I mean, I loved it. Yeah. And I was thrilled. And Then after work, we got pizza and celebrated. Yeah.

[A]

And then it's those simple things that, like, when you get to where, you know, he is now and, like, you know where my husband is now, we look back on those times and we're just like, dude, we kind of miss things being so simple.

[B]

It was so simple.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because now it'd be, like, expected to be some huge thing that. I mean, there's no point in all of that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know how long after that. I think 2017 is when he got asked to go on tour with fgl. So we went on tour together, did all that stuff. The engagement did not last long. We stayed together, but he wasn't the most faithful, and so I threw the engagement ring. But how were you.

[A]

How were you finding out that he was cheating?

[B]

Oh, I didn't find out, like, a lot of it until a lot later, but this time I had just walked out of the van, the little tiny van that we were in that we would be with all the stinky guys in for, like, 17 hours. And so it was actually before a long drive that I walked out and saw him with another girl in the parking lot.

[A]

While you were on tour with him?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, this was, like, very. This wasn't even, like, the tour yet. This was, like, one of his private shows at, like, one of the little hole in the wall bars. And, I mean, he was just, like, crying, sobbing, snotty. All the stuff in front of.

[A]

Was he, like, making out with her or were they banging? Okay. I was like, good lord, no.

[B]

It's just parking lot, like, a whole crowd of people and stuff, which.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I still say about the whole, like, I can't speak on something, like, a season that I haven't been through. And throughout, like, all of the cheating and stuff, like, I still can't. I don't. I'm going to say I don't blame him for it just because I don't know how it would be to come into that much fame, like, overnight and just be huge and have all the success, and then all these girls, like, throwing themselves at you. Like, I don't know how that is. So I didn't blame him for it.

[A]

Well, I think that there comes a sense of respect where you would break it off with the other person, like, hey, I don't know how to handle this, and I don't know how I'm going to handle this, and I don't want to hurt you.

[B]

Yeah, well, my therapist says that he just became that safe Space for me of, like, I'm not used to the stability of someone just, like, constantly, like, being around and being that person that I look to for comfort. And that's why I stayed, because she always. She's like, well, was it worth it? Like, all of that pain that he put you through? And I was like, yeah, like, he still hung the moon and the stars for me. And I. Like, I said, I don't blame him because I don't know what I would have done if I was put in that position. And, I mean, it just happened lots more times than that. And people always say, like, oh, she cheated on him, too. I wrote it in a blog. And I'm like, show me the blog. Because I never cheated on him. Like, I literally thought he hung the minute stars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I probably, like, put him on such a pedestal that above so many other things that I shouldn't have at the time.

[A]

Well, you loved him. You were in love with him.

[B]

I was very much in love with him. So the other times were like, dms, like, the hey, girl dms.

[A]

And I. I'm telling you, man, women love to rat out the dudes when they're doing something crazy. I tell my husband that all the time. I'm like, don't around, because if you don't think these girls are not building a case against you to just, you know.

[B]

And they were.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then do I. The one time it happened, I didn't believe it. Like, I was like, you know what? Because he would always say, like, don't ever respond to people, because then it makes our relationship look like it's, like, wobbly and like, you don't want. It's just embarrassing, basically. And I believe that. I was like, okay, If I respond and it is some, like, kooky person out there, then it does look like I'm insecure about the relationship. But then I had asked someone that had been around him often, another female, like a. A wife, and asked her. I was like, hey, I know you've been through this kind of stuff before, and you've been in the spotlight longer. What do you think? And she was like, I would ask for proof. And I was like, are you sure? Like, I don't want it to look bad on our part. And she was like, no, you need. It's time. It's time for you to ask for proof. And I did. And she sent me all a text of like, hey, what's your apartment code? Like, all this stuff. And he was there when I did all that and was like, I was in the bathtub and he was just like, bawling his eyes out. Like, I'm so sorry. It'll never happen again, all this stuff. And I think at that point I just kind of also felt stuck because we had an apartment together. And I mean, there was a lot of other times after that that stuff like that happened that were. That would put me in the fetal position on the floor. Like, so much anxiety. Didn't know what to do because I was in love with this man and then stayed.

[A]

But I think that's because a part of you feels like they're gonna change, you know?

[B]

And everyone around me would tell me that they were changing. Yeah, they'll change. Like, it's just like, part of it. Like, just wait, just wait. Or like, my husband didn't stop cheating until they got this age. Like, it's just part of it. And I believed it and I prayed all the time for that, but it just never happened. And that's fine. I mean, he's grown as a person now, and I respect him more now than I ever have. His life is extremely private. But what people don't see is that he has grown tremendously and he. I respect him so much as a person and he's a great dad and he lives a great life that's private and he can still do what he does while keeping it private. And I think that's great. And I'm. I love that he's had that radical change and it wasn't with me, but that's okay. He's a good dad and we can co parent.

[A]

Well, I love that you say that. So can you walk me through whenever you found out you were pregnant?

[B]

Yeah, That was a hard time. Oh, I had just gone on tour with him for like, the first time in forever. Because when you're hidden in a relationship, you don't get the hey, girl, dms. So I was hidden for a while so that people didn't know we were dating. And even though you guys reach out,

[A]

even though you guys had already been together and been public.

[B]

Yeah, it was like going public and then not being posted again ever. And I didn't post anything ever either. I randomly would, but no one followed me. No one knew who I was, so it didn't matter. And then so I went on tour. That was like the first time in a very long time, I guess. I mean, you can't really cheat on someone if they're not with you or if they are with you. And then it was near Halloween. It was the Luke Combs tour. And he got super drunk. I was drunk. He got mad about something and sent me home from Canada by myself while I was drunk. That was probably, like, the scariest, like, time that I went through because I am not airport savvy. And I was in an Uber, crying to the Uber about life.

[A]

Oh, God, yeah.

[B]

And then, like, getting to the airport and throwing up. All this stuff. No, getting home. And it was, like, the same thing as always, like, after it happens. I'm so sorry. All this stuff. I had blocked him at this point, even though we were still good and well dating, but I would block him, we'd get back together, and it was just a constant cycle of that.

[A]

Is that toxic passion?

[B]

Yes. And, yeah, definitely had that. I don't remember what it's called, but when you can't let go of it.

[A]

Trauma bond.

[B]

Trauma bond, yes. But I got the emails of, like, probably four days before I found out of, I'm ready to settle down. I want to start a family with you. I'll start posting you again. Like, I want you on tour with me. All this stuff. And then I found out and sent him a picture of my pregnancy test. And it all just kind of went to crap from there. And then we only talked probably, like, twice out of my entire pregnancy while everyone else was like, hey, he'll come back, like, once he meets the baby and, like, all this stuff, like, it'll be, like, a huge change, all of this. And it was not that.

[A]

So you told him that you were pregnant and then he just completely, like, wanted nothing to do with.

[B]

Yeah. Did he not? We went back and forth because when. Right when it happened, I was fighting him on, like, all the stuff that he would always say. I'm like, clearly it isn't true because of how this even happened. So I was fighting him of, like, this can't, like, we can't be together type stuff. The stuff I would always say to fight back to it so that he would fight even more. But then it kind of fizzled out from there of, like, okay, you're right. But I was still trying to make it work, and he had just kind of took his own path. And so we talked once. I'd had him come over when I was pregnant, and then we slept together. And then nothing else came from that again until, like, right before I was about to give birth. And then he came to the hospital right after I gave birth. It was during COVID so only one person could be in the room. And my mom was in the room with me. And he came right after that, saw Indigo, all that stuff, and nothing ever came from it. And 2020 was a wild year for him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it is what it is. And I mean, it took him a while to be where he is now, about, like, being on a good path. But it happened, thankfully, before Indigo was too old to realize it.

[A]

How did you come up with the name Indigo? Because that is such a beautiful name. I love it. Yeah.

[B]

I saw it in a dream and I was like, you know what? We're gonna run with this. And it was going to be Indigo James. Buddy was not a fan of the name Indigo. And so I was like, you know what? Fine, I'll change it. I changed it the day I got. I had him and I was like, I'll just make it Wilder because it's a family name for Morgan and he was always super close to his granddad and his granddad passed. So it was a very, like, special name for him. So just became Indigo Wilder. And it was a good compromise without having to change the whole thing. Yeah. But I love it because it is a family name. Yeah.

[A]

I love the name Indigo. So take me on this journey of being a new mommy. How was that for you?

[B]

It was good. It was a lot because I had no one knew who I was before that. I had my close friends and that was about it. And then he announced that he had a son and all of it came in and so it was a lot to. I think I remember that.

[A]

I remember when that all went down, actually. Yeah.

[B]

Because I didn't know about any of that. I didn't know about that lifestyle. And then just seeing Morgan go through it and then to be leaving the hospital with all of these news outlets coming in and like wanting a statement and all this stuff. And I was just like, I have like a two day old baby. Like, this is a lot. But it was during COVID so that was nice because it was just us at home being able to spend time together and my world had changed. Like, I didn't have FOMO anymore. Like, I was just good with being home with him. And the social media thing ended up working out because I didn't have to go back to work and it was nice. Yeah.

[A]

You started building your presence on social media. So to put all the rumors to rest, is there a chance for you and Morgan to ever get back together?

[B]

Absolutely not. No.

[A]

But you guys co parent now and are you guys friends?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Good.

[B]

We get along really well. We co parent really well. Like I said, he's a great person. I respect him with everything. If I am ever going through something and I need advice, that's who I go to. He's been through a lot. He has people that know more than I do, and we co parent enough to, like, go on school tours together and do that kind of stuff.

[A]

So I love that he's getting involved and, you know, being a dad. So that. That's awesome. Yeah. Do you ever feel like any of his songs are written about you? Because I. I see this online all the time. He's writing this song about her. This is a song to Katie, literally. And you're in the comments, like, fighting for your life, like, no, he would

[B]

never admit that any of them are. Yeah. But some. I'm like, that kind of hits too close to home. Yeah.

[A]

If you could think of any of his songs that you would think would be, like, you know, you inspired. We won't even say written about you that you could have possibly inspired. Which ones do you think it would be?

[B]

Well, I know you make it easy. The one that was given to Jason Aldean, he did. Because we were together when that happened. That one was about me. But the ones that. I'm not going to ask, but I'm like, are Band Aid on a bullet hole. And I don't know, there's probably. I wrote the book for sure. Because there's a spot in there where it says, like, she says, I'm good at everything, and I literally. He is good at everything. He does. He could have not ever touched a golf ball in his life, but hit a hole in one somehow. Yeah. It's crazy that the Lord decides to give all the talents and things to one person. Like, can. Can we share that? But. And then the one he just came out with, that it's called. I guess. I think. I think that's what it's called. There's a part in it that says, you hate that. When you're looking at me, see, like, you halfway see yourself. And I'm like, yeah, that could be.

[A]

Do you think you guys are twin flames?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Because there's usually always a runner and one that stays, and sometimes it flip flops back and forth. But like, with twin flames, there's always long periods of separation, too. And then you guys always seem to find your way back to each other. Not that I'm saying that will happen.

[B]

That part's not gonna happen. But I do think that, like, there is always, like, a person that kind of has half your soul in a way. Yes.

[A]

And you guys mirror each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You will mirror each other's traumas to each other.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I feel like there's not anyone else that can handle the inner demons, that we don't know what they are, but I feel like I. I feel them, and so definitely don't want to be with him. We don't want to be with each other, but I won't ever feel that way about anyone else.

[A]

Well, I think you're hot af. So Morgan lets you slip through the cracks. I don't know what's wrong with him, especially because you're already his baby's baby mama. But anyways, moving on from Morgan, let's talk about, like, how you started building your social media, because that's how I came to know you was. I think. I think maybe Instagram or Tick Tock is how I found you. And I was like, oh, my God, she's beautiful. And then I loved, like, your perspective on things, and I just started following you and just kind of fell in love with who you are, as did a lot of people. So take me on that journey.

[B]

Thank you. Well, it started from announcing that I had his baby, but after that, I just. Managers reached out and I had a different, Like, a few different managers that would get ads for me and stuff. But in order to get the ads, I had to keep up an online presence. And so, I mean, I feel like my followers have been through all of it with me. I did not know how to keep some things personal back then, so I would just kind of, you know, let it all out.

[A]

I think we all go through that when we first get social media followings. We're like, just word vomit. And then we're like, oh, okay, maybe

[B]

I can't say that literally. I'm like, what was I thinking? But it's okay because that's part of the spiciness that I can somehow try to hide now. But, I mean, I would just share my life. And as a lot of people don't think that I'm authentic on there, I'm not going to hide anything. I'm an open book. Life is what it is, and if it happened, I'll admit to it.

[A]

Okay, what exactly is being authentic and not authentic online? I feel like people are allowed to present what they want to. Like, you don't there? People are not entitled to receive. Oh, they are everybody's life. So who dubs it authentic or unauthentic?

[B]

Well, you share your story and they're like, oh, that's not true.

[A]

Oh, girl, trust me. I get told all the time. I'm like, do you think if I was going to embellish a story, I was going to be a Vegas hooker? Like, I would have fudgeing, graduated from Harvard and been a plastic surgeon if I was going to lie about my past?

[B]

You know, we could say a lot more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I could even share a lot more of my story. And I don't because it's like, y' all ain't gonna believe it anyway. That's why I, like, don't even defend myself anymore. I'm like, you know what y' all are gonna think, what you think. But, yeah, that was definitely hard to get adjusted to, was all of the hate, especially with, like, it and stuff. I stopped reading in 2022 or 3. No, it was definitely 2022. And. Because I would spiral when I read it, because it's just like, it's a

[A]

bunch of people who are just. And by the way, I blurp. I bleep out podcasts because I will never give them any credit or attention. I just think those people over there are sick. Like, something is wrong with you to sit there and just tear down somebody else's life that's doing way more than you ever could behind a fake screen

[B]

name with no profile picture and, like, where's your time? Like, these people, like, oh, I don't have all the time. I'm like, clearly you have a lot of time to investigate and to, like, see if someone's breathing wrong or, like, yeah, like, because there's, like, going. Going on social media and, like, commenting negative stuff on people's stuff. That. That's one thing I'm like, I would never in my life see a video that I like and comment something on it. I just scroll past it. I'm like, okay, whatever. Yeah. But then to start a page about someone that I'm like, literally have no lives and, like, for these people to have husbands and kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you okay?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, do your husbands know you're doing this?

[A]

Yeah. And sometimes what's even worse is the men that are on there tearing apart women. It's just so weird, dude. Like, I just. I don't get it. And I'm glad that you don't allow that in your life either.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. You can't, because you're. You're never going to be hated on by somebody who's doing more than you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or doing the same as you.

[B]

You know, even, like, with DMS and stuff, I always have to tell myself that I'm like, clearly they're not doing anything.

[A]

That's bold.

[B]

Better than that.

[A]

If they're DMing you hating, I mean, you got to give them a round of applause.

[B]

No, it's still a private account.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's still. No one's, like, actual.

[A]

I was like, damn, they're. Now they're getting bold. I was like, you got the brave ones.

[B]

No, it's always, like, there's one person that always uses the name Haley on there, but she's the one that. If there's something good posted about me on the Internet, she's on there fighting. Like, oh, my gosh. You know, she did this. She did this.

[A]

And I'm like, imagine.

[B]

Take a break.

[A]

Yeah. Imagine dedicating your life to just tearing somebody down. Like, I could never just wake up in the morning, have a cup of coffee and go. And fudgeing hate Like, I just couldn't do it.

[B]

Dedication. No, if you should be getting paid for that.

[A]

I don't like that much negative energy. I would feel so gross about myself. Like, there's no way. I would just never be able to leave a bad comment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, at least. I mean, they clearly have nothing to live for.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's sad on their part.

[A]

Well, since we're talking about, let's talk about all these plastic surgery accusations that I've seen that you have, because you're a beautiful woman.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And everybody's like, I don't know about all the. Okay.

[B]

Some. But not.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I've just. I've seen a couple things where people are like, she's had so much work done. You know, people say the same thing.

[B]

If they look at the picture from, like, 2007. There's this one dang red carpet picture. I was not supposed to walk on the red carpet. I was going with him to get ready for it, and then his manager was like, hey, she should walk with you. And I'm like, I look like a referee in a white and black striped jumpsuit. Barely any makeup on. Back then, I didn't even know how to wear makeup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My teeth were effed up. Like, yes, I got veneers. And that basically did change my whole face. Like, put veneers on that 2017 picture, and it would be so much better, regardless of being referee. Oh, and look how much cuter he looks then, too. I'm sorry. You guys aren't judging him.

[A]

Well, you know what it is? You guys have baby faces here. Like, we all. I think all women have their baby faces. And then, like, when you get to a Certain age, we lose, you know, that kind of chunk right here, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? But you look beautiful. The only thing that. If I were to look at this and judge it, I would say the only thing is that's different is your teeth. And maybe you got your lips.

[B]

Lips for sure. That's it.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

And I did not know how to put makeup on or smile. Like, that was actually, like, aesthetically pleasing. It was back then when, like, you smile, like, goofy happy.

[A]

No, I think. I think you look beautiful. And I think that if anybody could tell, it's literally just lips and veneers. That's it. That's the only difference.

[B]

No, I haven't had anything on. Yeah. If you type in our pictures, there are. Oh, there's Luke. There are some really cute ones that we have together that are like, okay. They are a really good looking couple.

[A]

I think you guys are a beautiful couple.

[B]

But.

[A]

And you guys make beautiful babies. We already know that. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why stop now?

[B]

Not that, but I'm like, can you at least, like, give me your sperm? Like, I don't have multiple baby daddies.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

That's the hardest part about co parenting, too, I think. It's just that it's like, I want.

[A]

And you got to have full half brothers and sisters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or full brothers and sisters.

[B]

Like, I could get past therapy has helped me, like, okay, no, like, you'll be fine if you have more kids. But it's just hard to think, like. And have to explain to Indigo why he has to leave and go somewhere else if other babies get to stay with me all the time. And that's, like, the hardest thing for me to think of. It's like, if it's that hard for me, like, I don't want it to be even harder for him to be, like, why do they get to stay with you? Like, why do I have to leave? Type thing. Um, but also, like, I love him so much and he's just so perfect and he's my entire world that. Is there going to be another child that compares to that or.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If it's not his, am I even going to like it as much? Right. Not because it's his, but, like, that's because what I know, like, is the way he is because he has such a mix of both of us. Yeah. And it's sweet. Like, he's very wild and sassy and funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But also, like, the sweetest kid in the entire world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's, like, the happiest boy in the entire world.

[A]

Maybe this is a conversation that you and Morgan need to have, okay? Like, hey, man, can you just freeze your sperm for me? And I'll do ivf?

[B]

Because then it would just come out looking like him. And then people would know.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Literally, be a spitting image still. Damn it.

[A]

So as far as, like, plastic surgery, what have you had done? So we can just get that off my lip.

[B]

I get my lips done, which I hadn't even had my lips done for the past two years. And then I recently got them done again because I was like, hey, if they're gonna say I have fake lips, I might as well get them.

[A]

I mean, and who cares?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Your face.

[B]

And then I get Botox in my forehead, and that's it.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah, I can tell. I'm sitting here looking at you, and I don't see, like, jaw surgeries or cheek implants or anything crazy.

[B]

I've always had big cheeks. And, like, in our photos together, you can see that. Especially, like, the close up one. Like, yeah, it's all cheeks. Same.

[A]

I've always had big cheeks. I actually. I think

[B]

not that. Not that close. And, like, the angle with my nose. I've never done anything to my nose. I used to hate my nose, but my mom would say I had my dad's nose, so I would never change it.

[A]

It's beautiful.

[B]

And sometimes I do wake up looking like an ogre in the morning, and you can tell that I never did anything to it.

[A]

Stop it. Stop it. Listen, we all wake up looking like ogres in the morning. I don't care who we are. None of us wake up looking gorgeous.

[B]

I mean, I didn't know how to contour back then.

[A]

Yeah, I saw.

[B]

I didn't even know how to put eyeliner on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I was just rolling out with. Taking on foundation and putting powder on top of it and mascara and no lipstick.

[A]

Listen, if I didn't have Haley, I'd be out here in these streets looking rough. Okay? Like, I don't know anything about makeup. Hair. Got you makeup. Cannot do it to save my life. Especially now. Like, there's so much, like, technique and shit that goes into it. There's.

[B]

I try to watch tutorials, and it never works, ever. Like, how do y' all do this? Yeah, like, if my makeup artist does my makeup, I'm like, okay, I've got it this time, like, locked in. Then I go home and do it. Absolutely not. Yeah.

[A]

No, I could never do. I've tried to do my makeup, but, like, how Haley does It does not work. Not at all. All right, so moving on from the plastic surgery, let's talk about the recent events that have happened in your life with a relationship that you got into about, I think, what, like nine months ago?

[B]

Okay, no, okay, first of all, we dated for almost two years. It'll be two years in May. Okay. So yes, we were only married. Well, we still are married technically, so nine months. Yeah, but. So we started dating in May of 2023.

[A]

How'd you guys meet?

[B]

We were at the ACMS, so I went with Whitney and Kaden.

[A]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I want to talk about that too. About you and Kaden and the car accident. Should we talk about that first?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about that.

[B]

Oh, today's two years. That happened two years ago today.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Gosh.

[A]

Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah, I posted a busted up picture on my face on my snap today.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, bring that up because I remember

[B]

I was so worried Rec pictures. And it'll definitely come up because I looked crazy.

[A]

Yeah, I think I text Kaden whenever you guys were going through that to make sure you guys were okay. So did you. You and Kaden ever date? Were you guys dating?

[B]

No, we were dating.

[A]

The smile is giving it away.

[B]

It wasn't dating, all right?

[A]

It was something. You guys were just hanging out?

[B]

Yeah, we were bopping around.

[A]

So what happened this night?

[B]

Morgan Wallen's ex. Fiance. At least it wasn't baby mama.

[A]

Right?

[B]

We were at a writers round and I. I liked Kaden a lot at the time.

[A]

He's a sweet boy.

[B]

Yes, he is very sweet.

[A]

He gets a lot of online too,

[B]

and I don't know why.

[A]

Yeah, like he's such a sweet dude.

[B]

It's very great. But I kind of like cut off like the whole situation at that time of wanting to be with him, but it not working out. But we were at the writers round together and I'm really bad at just like saying no to things, but my friend was like, how about you take him home? And I was like, whatever, fine. So I was on my way taking him home and we got hit. So we got smashed, ended up in the hospital. But it was super sweet. I mean, he like prayed over us in the hospital as we were leaving and I mean, nothing happened between us after that except. Well, then we went to Texas. Not as like a thing. We went to the ACMs and Whitney invited me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I went with Whitney and Kaden. Yeah, and I love that you and

[A]

Whitney were hanging out too.

[B]

Yeah. That definitely started a lot, but it was fun.

[A]

Well, because Whitney says that she's hooked up with Morgan too. So whenever you guys were together, I think that kind of like, set the Internet.

[B]

And I'm like, that's what I said. I was like, who hasn't? Like, it's fine. Like, I don't care if someone slept with him before.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, we bonded over it. Yeah.

[A]

And I mean, Whitney's a sweet girl. I think Whitney gets way too much hate. She doesn't fucking deserve it. She's granted. She plays into it and she, you know.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I would. She's beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. And she instigates it online. But in person, Whitney really is just a sweetheart.

[B]

Yes. And I was drawn to that. Like, she had those, like, so much potential and, I mean, she couldn't see it within herself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But she has. She has a lot of potential. Yeah. Because she is very sweet hearted and I know she cares a lot. Yeah.

[A]

She's got a good spirit. So back to this accident, though. So what happened? Like, somebody just cut you guys off and smashed into you? Because this is. Looks really freaking serious.

[B]

A semi is semi. Ish. I guess it was like a. It was a Penske truck. And. Yeah.

[A]

Is this.

[B]

That was my dream car. I loved her. That's Regina George. Is. I love that? Is.

[A]

Is this in a lawsuit?

[B]

Are you guys.

[A]

You know, it was over the time.

[B]

Yeah. It's been two years now.

[A]

Yeah. God, I can't believe that was two years ago. Do you miss her?

[B]

I do miss her.

[A]

Well, I'm glad you guys are safe. What happened? What injuries did you get from this?

[B]

My face was insane. Yeah.

[A]

Can we pull up a picture of her face? It's on your Snapchat right now.

[B]

Yeah, but it's probably on there. You type in face. Oh, I like that. It came up when you. Oh, yeah, look at that. It was like that for a while, too. I. Right here. They never said that if it was broken or not, but they thought my cheekbone was broken. But I had, like, this weird dent for, like, the longest time in my face, like when I would smile. And sometimes it actually still hurts, but my face was like, mainly the issue. Like, I was bruised and everything all over. But then Kaden, like, really messed up his elbow and had stitches and stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it definitely could have been a lot worse.

[A]

Way worse. Right? Especially getting hit by a Penske truck. That's crazy. Crazy.

[B]

Yeah. They were like, you guys should have been dead.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Definitely should have. But then there's, of course, people that. That I was drinking and driving, but obviously I would have been arrested.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kaden was definitely hammered, but he wasn't driving.

[A]

I do have to ask you about the pastor scandal. Can we have some insight and clarity on that whole situation?

[B]

Yeah. And if people didn't tune in for the past the baby mama drama, this is definitely what they're coming for. But if anything is ever said on social media, if I post anything or if anyone's like, you know what, like, she's such a great person, there's going to be those people that comment back immediately, within 5 seconds and be like, did you not hear that she slept with her pastor on a mission trip? And I shared it right after it happened because I don't even know how it got out. I guess one of, like, my friends had leaked it somewhere.

[A]

Those aren't friends.

[B]

Yeah. I don't even know who it was, but I know they're not in my life anymore. Yeah, they are. And I don't know, like, there's certain people that I share certain details with which, you know what? Like, it's not anything to hide. I shared part of my response to it right after it happened. But then I got married, and when these comments come up and people want me to talk about it, I just didn't think it was respectful to talk about when I'm married. And I also didn't want to hurt his image even more either, because, yes, he. So, long story short, I had been going to this church in Nashville since I lived here, so for a long time. And I honestly should have left, like, a while ago because I was leading a small group and I got pregnant and they told me to step down because I had a baby. I was having a baby out of wedlock, and I ended up just. I did step down, but I took the small group outside of the church and they stayed with me. They were like, that's bs, honestly, which it was. But I understand that you're held to a different standard, leading a small group, whatever. But I ended up going there, staying there for a long time. And a mission trip opportunity came up to go to Kenya. I was super back and forth about it, but I was excited about it. And I just felt like the devil was trying to make me not go just because it was out of my comfort zone. I didn't know anyone going on the trip. And then randomly, I always had this, like, there's campus pastors, and they're not the ones that, like, mainly speak, but they speak a few Times a year they come and give announcements on the stage. I randomly had one that would like randomly just like reply back to like my sermon post or like a biblical song or like whatever it is. I never thought anything of it. Like if he still had social media, I wish I could pull up those receipts where I didn't respond when he like liked like the story or whatever it was. But then he had reached out and I was like, hey, I'm like actually the one leading this trip. And I was like, oh, okay. Like he seems pretty cool, like maybe I should go. And I feel like I know him since he is always on stage or doing whatever. So I didn't really know him and I was still super nervous to go. It wasn't until like that week that we were leaving that I was like, everyone else is getting their vaccines and all this stuff and I'm like, eh, whatever, it'll work out. Ended up going. And I've always been one to like really read people. If someone's going through something, I feel like a weight on my chest. If like I'm in Walmart, I'll have like a random like weight on my chest. And I'm like, someone in here is going through something because like I know how to separate it now where I used to not I used to be like a. Okay, something's like going on. Like why do I have anxiety for no reason? But it's usually just someone else's weight. And I felt that. And we were all in a group chat for the mission trip. But then like when we were in the group at the airport, I had mentioned how like, like the WI fi sucks on planes and like we have like a 24 hour flight basically and I was hoping that the wifi didn't suck. But then we got on the plane, he messaged me outside of the group and was like, oh yeah, the WI fi does suck.

[A]

Haha.

[B]

And I was like, that's weird. So it kind of threw me off a little bit. But then I kept feeling that weight. Once we got there we all like split up into groups and all this stuff. And I was always in his group and so I mean I felt comfortable enough to ask. I was like, hey, I feel like you have a demon, like what's going on? And he was like, wait, what? And I was like, I don't know, I just like feel your vibes and I feel like there's something going on that you're not sharing. And he ended up telling me that he was going through a divorce and he was like, it's really hard because I can't be going through a divorce while being a pastor. Like, it's part of, like, our thing. Like, we'll get fired, all this stuff. And I totally understood that. And I was like, well, you're still wearing your ring and all this stuff. And I hadn't gone through a divorce before at this time. Like, I didn't. I thought it was kind of, like, cut and dry, like, whatever that saying is, whatever. And just thought, okay, they probably, like, signed papers because he had said they had papers that they had signed and, like, figured stuff out, but that not all the details were figured out yet. And he was still wearing his ring, and I was. And he was. He basically said that he was still wearing its ring because the son that he took on the mission trip didn't know in this. Like, he had a tradition to where each one of the kids got to go on a mission trip, and this was his son's first time doing that, and he didn't want to ruin the experience. All very believable. Like, I still believe a lot of it to this day. And so nothing happened on the trip. We did not sleep together on the trip. And technically, in my mind, he was getting divorced or divorced. Didn't really know. Like, he would show me messages. Like, we started when we got home, we hung out, and then things kind of, like, progressed a little bit to where I was getting feelings for him, just because to me, it seemed like he was responsible and he had kids, and, like, he kind of knew that life of, like, hey, I love the Lord, but, like, I'm going through a divorce, but I also know, like, how to be around children. And I don't really think that was, like, possible with other people. I don't know. I just didn't think anyone would be interested one in a single mom. But also, like, love Jesus and whatever. So he would show me messages and stuff about, like, the divorce and from his wife, I guess, at the time, about the divorce and, like, how he wasn't staying there, and, like, he would move out, but then, like, she had to get a job and all of this crazy stuff. But I was seeing it, so it was true. Like, it was happening. And then he was on sabbatical at the time, and so he was away from the church, I guess, like, off. I think it was, like, a month and a half. And his sabbatical was about to end, and he was like, I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna talk to the pastor there and meet with him. And let him know what's going on and kind of, like, put my notice in. And he was supposed to. He was going back on a Monday, and his meeting was on a Wednesday. He had gone in on that Monday and texted me and was like, I feel like something, like, weird is going on. And he asked me to meet today. And he was completely thrown off guard because he thought this was just a meeting and not, like, he wasn't quitting on this day. He was just going to see. And I was like, okay, well, whatever happens, like, I mean, it's gonna be fine regardless. Like, I'll be praying about it. But I was like, whatever you feel led to do, do it. Like, whatever it is. Like, I don't know all of the demons you're facing. Because clearly there was a lot more going on than what I was told. And at that time, I lived at my old house, and I had, like, a war room in there to where I would put all my prayers on the walls and stuff. And that was, like, all that. That was room that room was used for. And I even put on there, like, hey, Lord, like, if he's meant to be with his wife and they rekindle, like, that's amazing. Like, let that happen and let me be fine with it. Like, let it be okay. Like, let whatever decision he needs to do, like, let him do it. He texted me right after that meeting, and it was like, this very, like, generic message that was, like, unlike anything that he'd ever said. It was just like, I'm leaving for. I'm leaving for 30 to 60 days. I won't have my phone. I'm ending communication here.

[A]

What the hell?

[B]

And I was like, wait, what? And the crazier thing about it is that I responded and my message went through green. I was already blocked. So, like, out of, like, this whole time of, like, talking and, like, him talking to me about everything and, like, wanting a future with me, like, all this crazy stuff.

[A]

And you guys were having relations during this time? Yes, just not in Kenya.

[B]

Yeah, not in Kenya.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, I really did at the time like him a lot. And he was always talking about a future and, like, how, like, he wanted to start his own church that wasn't religion, like, based, but, like, relationship based. And just not, like, everyone can actually feel welcome to go. Right. And so I waited a while because I was in the dark, really, with. I didn't know what was going on. I was like, that message is weird. But, like, where is he getting sent off to? Like, why are you gonna be gone for 30 to 60 days, or 30, 60 to 90 days, actually. So I waited and waited and waited. Nothing ever came by it. And then one day, I remember I was sitting on my couch upstairs and I was praying. I was like, lord, like, I literally, like, I'm sorry for asking for so many signs because that shows, like, weakness and me not fully trusting in you. And I was like, so whatever. Like, don't give me a sign. Then he facetimes me randomly after, I think, probably a little over a month. And at first, I didn't answer because I was, like, bawling my eyes out. I was like, lord, what are you doing? And he was like, I only have, like, four minutes to talk. I'm at a rehab. They sent me here. I'm never. I never sent you that text. Like, the lead pastor sent it to you. They have your name blocked from any time. Like, you text or email me. Like, you're not allowed to reach out. They want me here to work on my marriage. Like, all this stuff. I love you, whatever. Like, I won't be able to communicate again, but just, like, know that I love you. And I was like, okay, so there's that me thinking kind of like, that was a sign. Like, it'll still work out. Because if he's telling me this, like, what's actually going on?

[A]

You finally answered the FaceTime, or did you leave us in a message?

[B]

Okay, yeah. And we didn't have long to talk. Like, I couldn't ask. Like, okay, like, so what's the plan here? Yeah, are you going back? Like, should I, like, peace out. Like, yeah, I can respect that. Like, be honest with me. So I waited again. This time, like, probably like a month and a half. And then my family had come in town for Thanksgiving that I was hosting, and I got this, like, very. An email sent from my wife. And you can tell because he had a new email, and it was him and his wife's name at gmail dot com. And I could tell that it was just like, I'm so sorry for everything. Like, not to me. I'm so sorry to my wife and to the church. Like, of everything that I ever did. Like, I shouldn't have hurt them that way. Like, don't reach out again. Don't risk. Like, don't do anything. Don't, like, mention anything about me. This is all a mistake. Like, very cut and dry. And then I honestly never heard from him again after that. So it was, like, very strange because, like, part of me was like, was he lying the whole time?

[A]

And Then, like, some you watch on Lifetime movies, like, this is wild.

[B]

It was insane, because the church started hating me, and I was like, why do they always.

[A]

Why do they always attack the woman? And the man never gets held to the same.

[B]

And I'm like, y' all should.

[A]

Accountability.

[B]

There were issues, like, mental issues going on with him before this, because they had mentioned that, like, oh, Drew had just been through a lot, and, like, we didn't, like, know what he was going through. And I'm like, y' all were walking with him every day. Y' all should have been mentors. Y' all should have been helping him and guiding him and, like, leading him in the right path, let alone letting

[A]

him go on church trips and. Yeah, church trips.

[B]

Like, what? I'm sorry. There's a disconnect there. But also, someone should have kept me in the loop here, right? Like, hey, I'm still married. I'm gonna work on my marriage. Or, like, I'm actually. I was like, all he could have said is, I was going through a divorce, but then I was led to stay with my family and rekindle that. Yeah, that would have been great, because I was also praying for that. So the whole time that I was kind of, like, in the dark, I was praying that if he decided to go back to his wife, that, like, his kids wouldn't have trauma from this. Like, I was praying for his kids, and, like, there was, like, a misconception. People are like, well, she said that he got kicked out of the church because his son was gay. And I'm like, first of all, I never said that people take whatever they want and they run with it. I was saying that he wanted to leave the church anyway because someone on staff there did have a child. And I didn't want to say his or her or anything just because I didn't want people to find out who it was and then them. Get them me out. Them, basically. And so I said someone else there had been a pastor and had a child that could have been gay, and that's fine. But he was telling me that he didn't appreciate that because they didn't get to preach as much because of that situation. It was Looked like it was frowned upon, and I didn't believe in that either. I was like, no, that sucks. That's wrong. And he was gonna leave anyway before he even met me or just. I wasn't the deciding factor on him getting divorced. When we met, he told me he was going through a divorce.

[A]

Yeah. And was even showing you text messages between him and his wife. Like, what are you supposed to believe?

[B]

Yeah. And so I believe that he was going through it, but I mean, I also think that he should have said, hey, I'm gonna work this out with her. Yeah. Like, yeah. But it didn't work out that way. And I think that they were still together, I would assume. Yeah, I hope so. At least that not all of that was for nothing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I hope that it was stronger and better than ever, but I just hate

[A]

that the church turned against you and the whole thing, you know? Like, I understand maybe his wife being upset, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Understandably. But just for the church to turn their backs on you, like, it's just crazy to me that, you know, this has happened to you numerous times in your life, you know, and it's like,

[B]

clearly she has something for pastors. And I'm like, okay, well, maybe. I don't know. Maybe I did. I.

[A]

Thank you, I think, because. And this is just my reading from your whole story that I've learned today is, you know, losing a dad at such a young age, it's. You're gonna carry that through life. And men that lead you, whether they're pastors or just leading you in life, you're always going to be attracted to that because that's.

[B]

I've always craved that.

[A]

That you have. Yeah. As a child. So, I mean, and listening to you explain this story, it makes 100% total sense, you know, why you. You were involved with this man because you truly believe that you guys had a future together. It's not like you went in there intentionally and was like, I'm going to break up a marriage. You know, this man came to you and said his marriage was over. And that's what people need to understand, and they need to stop judging you for just leading with your heart, you know, and you do trust. I have noticed you trust very easily. Whereas.

[B]

Which is wild. It should be the opposite.

[A]

Yeah. I think when it comes to men that are in a certain light, like, you know, you want to be able to trust men of. Of the Lord, and you want to be able to think that this is like a picture perfect scenario, and you don't want to think that they're lying, you know, and for him to have. To have gone away to rehab, obviously there was another situation going on.

[B]

You know, there was something going on that he wasn't telling me.

[A]

Yeah, there was.

[B]

Clearly I was not. I wasn't getting told a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Definitely dark a lot before I even realized that I was in the dark.

[A]

Yeah. Definitely more to the story there than. I think he had a lot more issues than just cheating on his wife, you know, especially to have to go away for 60 to 90 days. So I am thankful it didn't work out for you, because that sounds like it would have been a nightmare. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I think through all of this and all of the lessons that you're learning, I think you said you're tired of growing. Yeah, girl. Get used to it, man. I'm 45, and I still learn lessons. Like, it's. To this day, I'm just like, okay, Lord, I see what you're doing. All right? I know. I know where this lesson's coming back around. So you're never.

[B]

You're. You're.

[A]

You aren't growing if you aren't learning. So I think you just, you know, keep leading with love like you are, but maybe be a little more cautious when it comes to the.

[B]

You said something to me when I told you I was going through therapy, and you said it was something to do with our signs and that if I didn't change it or if I didn't fix it, it would keep coming back around.

[A]

Yeah. So if you don't learn. If you don't learn the lesson, it'll keep presenting itself to you in different bodies.

[B]

Yes. And I was like, okay. Thankfully, I realized that it was like, it was a me thing. And then I needed to fix it because I was like, this could not happen again. Yeah. I don't want to hurt anyone. Like, I want things to be stable. And thankfully, I'm like, okay, we're healing the root this time. Yes. So no more bodies, please, Lord. Like, just.

[A]

Well, I feel like. I feel like with Luke, you've kind of broken that pattern, though, a little bit. He's not like the other typical.

[B]

He's not. But I still was. Still me not healing from my trauma, right?

[A]

Absolutely. Yes. For sure. But as far as, like, the men go in your life, I feel like you've gone a different trajectory with Luke.

[B]

Luke. Thankfully, yes.

[A]

Which. Speaking of Luke, let's get into that.

[B]

We met at the ACM when I was with them, and it's funny because we met. The first time we met, we were downstairs at the hotel bar, and I didn't think anything of it because I was. I still liked Kaden.

[A]

Was Luca Montana boy, or was he anything like that?

[B]

No, he's in the tack house.

[A]

Okay. I knew he was in something.

[B]

Yeah. And I didn't know anything about him at all. Didn't know who he was because I never did tick tock back then. I still really don't even get on tick tock. My comments are off right now because people are rude, but I also just don't check it enough to do damage control.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I don't have to worry about it. And so when it got deleted, I was very excited for like, those five hours that it was gone.

[A]

Your tick tock?

[B]

Yes. I was like, oh, finally not to worry about it. And I was like, wait, I can just turn my comments off and not even have to think about it.

[A]

I hate that you even have to do that, though.

[B]

Well, people are much nicer on Instagram.

[A]

You can filter your comments so you don't have to turn them off.

[B]

Yeah. But then people can still look at the bottom and do review comments and then, like, love that.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I didn't even know that they.

[B]

They're still, like, on there to review. I'm like, I don't want to see them because then I'm gonna end up getting feisty. Yeah. Because I'll get real feisty if, like, something like, irks me. And I'm like, you know what? We're just gonna keep our mouth shut. Yeah. But I met him downstairs right after the acms and he asked me for my chapstick, which is. I didn't even. I didn't know who he was. And I was just like, okay, a

[A]

better woman than I had. I've been like, no.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't even know. I was just like, okay. So we started talking. I don't know, we talked like a lot that night. But I still didn't think anything of it because we were going to one of the well known saloons over there right after. And so I was going with Kaden and Whitney and then they were doing their own thing. They were. She was actually with Montana boys that night and wanted me to be with them. And I was like, absolutely not. And then Kaden was with someone else.

[A]

And so that's all we need is KT with the Montana boys.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, no, thank you.

[A]

She's like, I don't want that headline.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't want to, like, go back to their place like that. They were saying. I was just like, I'm not. I'm not feeling that. So I tried to go back in our hotel, but Kaden was occupying the room, couldn't get in, didn't have a key, and it was a lot. And so I don't remember how, but somehow I stayed in Luke's room with him and his friend Jackson. And we didn't even, really, like, talk that night. I was just telling them, like, what my situation was. I was like, I didn't want to go sleep with some random dude that I don't know. And then Kaden's doing Lord knows what their room. And so I stayed in their room the next morning. We had early flights, so the next morning I left my boots that I was wearing in their room and. Cause we didn't even really talk. I just kind of like up and left, like, hey, thanks for letting me sleep in here. Basically saved my life because where else was I gonna sleep that night? Yeah. And I was going to, like, leave the hotel room. I didn't even have Luke's number. And I. He had had, like, left my little boots by my hotel room door. And first of all, that never happens for me. People are just rude. And they would have just left him there when they were checking out too, but he, like, left my boots by the door and I was like, wow, that was nice. So then me and Whitney walked over to Cheesecake Factory before we had to leave, and I was like, you know what? Luke's actually pretty cute. And she was. She like went and snapped him. She was like, katie thinks you're cute. And then he responded back and was like, give me her number now. And so it went from there. We started talking, and a week later, he flew to Nashville, was supposed to stay for two days and stayed for two weeks and then went back to the tack house, told him that he was leaving, and then a few days later moved to Nashville and in with me. Yeah, you guys seemed like, you guys

[A]

were really, in the beginning, really, like, getting along and like, just like, just like good influences on each other. He seemed like he settled into your life pretty easy.

[B]

Oh, yeah. He was absolutely amazing with Indigo. Just the best. And I mean, I took a lot of security in that too, just because being a single mom, I feel like it's hard to even be in a relationship because you don't know how other people are going to be with kids.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Especially ones that are not their own. Right. And how it would be like and look future wise. But he stepped into that role and was absolutely amazing. Indigo loves him. He loves Indigo. It was just. It meshed really well. And I loved Luke. I love Luke. I'll always love Luke. I don't know, like, what will happen, but it was just a lot. So there's like, throughout our relationship, I just had issues with certain things and like, we both did social media, and that's basically. I feel, like, impossible for two people to both do that career and for it to be lasting for me. Like I had said earlier, like, I want to be in a soft girl era and not feel like I have to take care of so much. But I was taking care of the bills, and, like, all of the bills, except for half the rent. I would pay half the rent and then the rest. And that's just also who I am as a person. Like, I offer to do it, but then it gets to a point where it's like, I don't want to have to. You don't hold everything together.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Take care of the chickens and do, like, manly things like that and lawn work and all that stuff. And then, I don't know. I just wanted to enter my softer area. Yeah. But I. Social media thing was kind of an ick for me, and that was my fault for getting into it, knowing that he did that. I wasn't looking at it like that. I was just. I didn't care because I loved him so much.

[A]

Do you think that you also maybe are carrying some traumas from the Morgan relationship into this because of how, like,

[B]

you found out that social media, like,

[A]

cheating on you was through social media and girls DMing you? So it's like, you probably have that wound still.

[B]

Yes, and I told him that. So, like, the whole relationship, like, he didn't really understand why I had such an ick from it, and neither did I, because I was like. I don't know, like, one. I did. I did not like being in videos that were planned. Like, I didn't want to, like, act on social media. I'm, like, very authentic, and I don't want it to be like, oh, that looked bad. Let's redo it. I'd rather just, like, kind of do it or, hey, I'm gonna build this act, surprise when you see it type thing. I just didn't want to be part of that. And that, like, drove a wedge in our relationship of, like, hey, you make your own content. I'm gonna make my own. Don't involve me in it. Well, then he looks at that as not being supportive. And it. That was just, like, a huge thing for us was I wasn't gonna be in his videos. What would his videos be about? Like, views, likes, all this stuff. And then it wasn't until I started therapy after I announced, because I had always gone to therapy, but I was like, this time I need to work on me. Like, I need to figure out Why I am the way I am, why I can't be codependent, and why I just feel like I need control. And it wasn't until I started therapy that I was like, okay, the ick does come from a past trauma. And I didn't want Luke to feel, like, get all of his validation from all these strangers and women on the Internet and then turn into what it did in my prior relationship.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And secretly, I guess I was scared of that. Like, why are you seeking so much validation from all these people when I'm right here? And then it gets to where the whole thing, like my therapist says, is that I never felt like I was enough. And so I didn't want it to turn into that. And then guys hurt so much different. Once they're hurt, once they kind of build up a wall. So we had already announced that we were getting divorced. I was like, hey, let's work on things.

[A]

How did you guys make the decision to get to lead to divorce? Was it was that you that initiated it?

[B]

Well, we had talked about it multiple times. Because I would bring it up. I'm a runner, and I would. If something happened to me, it's like, okay, well, I won't have my peace unless I'm alone. And that's like, that. It's the freaking trauma of being independent. Like, nothing bad will happen if I'm by myself.

[A]

So big of you to be able to realize this, though. The. The self awareness that you have is really, like, awesome.

[B]

Thank you. Yeah. Well, I wish I would have had a little bit sooner, but I told him. I was like, I'm glad it happened the way it did, though, because I wouldn't have known that I needed to work on myself. I wouldn't have known that why I'm too independent with the family situation that happened, but also with Morgan. And I wouldn't know, like, why I hated social media so much and, like, why, like, all of this tied together. It's like, you didn't think I was supportive. I could have been a better wife. But with the social media stuff, how can I, like, be attracted to you if I don't see you as manly type thing with, like, the social media.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it was stuff that easily could have been worked out if we both knew where our issues stemmed from. And I was like, I'm getting to the root of this stuff. Like, let's work it out. Like, I didn't want you seeking validation. And that's the only reason I thought it was icky and I wanted to be able to be in a softer area instead of being, like, the head of the household. But after I announced it, he said that I disposed of him too easily and that he had never felt supported. So, like, he put up a wall. And so then it's been like, me fighting for a marriage and going through, like, the therapy. And he was like, forgive me if I never think that you'll heal or saying that, like, the Lord can't work miracles and stuff. And I'm like, you can't be on social media talking about, like, being a Christian and, like, doing all this stuff for your videos and for your views if you're not living it out. So I was like, you need to be real with this. Like, we can make it work and be each other's biggest supporters and cheerleaders, or it's toxic, and there's nothing in between because you can't keep me back and forth of like, hey, you see me at the gym and you, like, want to hug and, like, be all nice and, like, randomly text me about all this stuff. And then when I'm like, hey, come over, or let's. Let's work on this. Like, let's do this, let's do that. Nothing. And so it's been, even now, very in between, where it's like, hey, we either go through with a divorce or we work it out, and the ball's in your court. I was like, I was paying for an attorney anyway, but I'm not paying for divorce for a marriage that I've been fighting for. So if you wanted to get divorced, you can take it over.

[A]

He posted a video, and you can tell he's pretty sad, and he looks really sad, you know? And again, I don't know.

[B]

For the views.

[A]

Okay. I was gonna say, I didn't know if that was reviews or for the attention, but, you know, I can see where his feelings would be hurt now. Listening to the story, I can understand how he's feeling. He's probably scared, you know, and he. He probably doesn't want to let that wall down and come back. And then it happened again because it's gonna hurt even worse.

[B]

Yeah. When I don't want to let. I don't want that to happen either. Yeah. So it's like, at this point where it's just hard because now I'm like. Like, is he just gonna cut off and not. If he comes back and then we end up working it out, is there's. Is there going to be a cutoff point to where he just leaves and it's Fine. Or. And I'm gonna think, like, okay, well, all these times I was having panic attacks, like, where were you? Type thing, so I'm also scared. But it's something that. I mean, we signed up for this. We had. We made a covenant. Like, it is what it is. We should be fighting for it. And I wanted him to be like, hey, we're not going to try to make it work. We are going to make it work. And that let me down when that didn't happen, but I was like, okay, I'm not gonna let my trauma affect that. I'm still going to attempt to fight. But if he doesn't want to fight, then I'm gonna let it go. So I'm still very much in between with that. I'll be fine on my own. I know I will. I always have been.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm also gonna fight for a marriage that I signed up for.

[A]

Marriage is hard, and I think that's what a lot of people don't realize. And the first. I. I don't know if you've listened to my podcast before, but I've told this story a million times. The first. The first three years of Jay and I's relationship, I don't know how we made it through. Like, we had so many breakups. So much we did to each other. Like, it was just wild. I don't even know how we got those. People are not the same people that are in this marriage now. And, I mean, it's almost a decade,

[B]

and you had to work for it.

[A]

You have to. You have to fight for it. And that's where it got with Jay. And I was finally, that third year, we looked at each other and we said, either we're gonna make this work and we're gonna better ourselves and become better humans, or we're gonna go our separate ways. And that was all we both needed to start working on ourselves. And, you know, you're getting therapy. Maybe he needs to. You guys need to do therapy together. Because that's what helped Jay and I, too.

[B]

Like, I've asked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm trying to get him to that point of, like, hey, I'm not gonna force you to go, but, like, just come.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because my therapist has seen the worst of me, and she's seen the. The issues that I know I need to work on. Before, when we were going through our issues, I knew there was things I needed to work on, but I didn't know how to work on being a more supportive wife and being more affectionate for him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But now I'm like, I want to love you. Right. And I want to do this and I want to better myself. Like, I know that I'm capable of it and I want you. I want to establish roles in our marriage that it can work out. Like, you be the man and actually be a little bit softer.

[A]

Maybe he's scared of having to be the man.

[B]

You know, so, I mean, he's only 22. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know he was only. How old are you?

[B]

30.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So, okay. Okay, fair. He's gonna be 23 next month, so there's a seven year age gap, but he's very mature for his age. And I mean, if I can own up to all the issues that I've had and needing to be in control and just not being supportive of him doing social media for a living, like, a lot of people get through much worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's just having to fight for it. Yeah. Fighting for it takes work.

[A]

Your breakup wasn't scandalous. You know, the Internet tries to make it seem like it's like this big, huge, like, oh, my gosh. And this wow moment.

[B]

Somebody must have cheated or she's seeing someone new and I'm like, I'm married. I'm not seeing someone new.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah. And I. It's really just communication and just. Just you. You needed to grow a little bit. But I also remember how I was at 22 and I. Where I was at 22 and where I was at 30 were two different people. Same with you, I'm sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like, you know, even if it doesn't work out, at least the blessing from this relationship for you was the growth and being able to start working through all the. That has hurt you in the past. Because, Katie, I'm really blown away by your story. I didn't expect to hear all the things that I heard today from you. And you have a real testimony here, you know, and I think you're finally starting to realize that because now you're starting to love yourself. And, you know, doing the therapy, doing the work, and actually trying to heal is such a beautiful thing. And I feel like we're never fully healed. We're always going to be healing, but you're already on that journey. And maybe that's what Luke's purpose was in your life, was to send you on that journey.

[B]

Yeah. You know, so we've never seen those issues within myself, like, yeah, I would have gone to therapy, but. But anytime I'd gone to therapy before, it was very, like, situational, like, hey, this is what's going on now. Or like. And so when I went, I was like, we're not going to talk about, like, Luke right now. We're not going to talk about anything else. Let's get to the root of all these issues and then we can try to talk about it.

[A]

Yeah. Because you're ready. You. There's. There comes a time where you just get sick of yourself and you're like, I need to fix something. Some. Obviously something's broken.

[B]

Generational curse is not. Keep going. Like, we're stopping it now.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna pray for you and Luke, and I really hope that you guys can figure it out. And if not, just, you know, keep on this path that you're on for sure. Because I. You have a glow to you. And I mean, I just. I love seeing the. This transition in you because I have been watching you for the past couple of years. So I really love to see this version of you.

[B]

Thank you. Not my fireball. Yes. I like.

[A]

I mean, I like the fireball self too. So.

[B]

So what.

[A]

Where do you go from here? What's. What are you interested in doing for, you know, moving on as far as, like, moving on.

[B]

I want to buy a house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I want to have more farm animals.

[A]

Yes. What do you have right now? Tell everybody.

[B]

Chickens and ducks.

[A]

Chickens and ducks are chicken and Zuck, Mama.

[B]

Yes. I love them with everything in me. Right before I came here, actually, I was just giving them all their mealworms and just hand feeding them and, you know, just. Just being a mom because I dropped Indigo off right before that, so it's like, okay, well, what else am I gonna do? I have to be a mom somehow. If he's not here.

[A]

I get it. I don't even want to leave my animals. My entire content has turned into farming content, and it's the best. Dude, I. I can't wait to go home and squeeze crunch. Like, I'm just so excited to see my animals. So I. I know how it is. Whenever you're a farm mama.

[B]

They really do just bring all the joy that. I mean, I don't know. I would love to have more kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Beforehand I was a little bit scarred by that idea just because of, like, what I went through with pregnancy and then, like the whole co parenting thing. But I want more kids. I've always desired more kids. But if not. And if it's just me and Indigo and animals, that's great too.

[A]

I think you'll have More babies.

[B]

I hope so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because he's like in the phase now towards like. Okay. He'd be fine if I had another baby now.

[A]

How old is he now?

[B]

He's four and a half. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's gonna have his Indy 500 birthday in July.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[B]

So I'm super excited about that. But other than that, you know, just still volunteering and doing social media and hope to start my own business.

[A]

Let's talk about your volunteering because I, I think that's so beautiful. She was going to do the podcast a couple days ago and she was like, but this is when I volunteer at the jail. And I was just like, oh my God, she's so cute.

[B]

Yeah. So I work for a non profit called Youth for Christ and I have for three years and there's different branches of it under one big umbrella and there's like one where you work with teen moms. There's just like mostly like low income families and then there's a juvenile justice ministry. And I work in the juvenile justice justice ministry. So I go to, I used to go to a juvenile like all the time and then that got taken over after I got in my wreck. And so once I kind of saw that how good the person that came in was at that, I was like, you know what? Like, I don't need to be in that juvenile anymore. She's got that taken care of. So now I go to a prison that's in Murphy's Burrow. And a lot of people think that kids can't be in prison. Like they think it's like still like a juvenile, but this one's just like actual cells and like strictness and stuff. But it's ages 13 to 17. But the girl I work with in there, she's 13 and so I see her on Mondays and then on Wednesdays I go to an alternative learning school. And so it's just basically like a lot of people don't know what an ALC is. And it's just like, basically when you've either fought too much or got in trouble or there's drugs involved, you get kicked out and you have to go a different, stricter school with no freedom.

[A]

Tennessee does not have like a rehabilitative like program for teenagers like any. Like they really don't. There's nothing out here, especially for like mental health or like anything.

[B]

Not at all. No even care.

[A]

No.

[B]

They. Kids can be showing so many signs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's what leads to all this other stuff that's such like a Controversy in the world today.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like there's so many signs and I feel like mental health, if that was actually taken care of, yes, all of this would be alleviated because, like, yes, yes, you can come from bad homes and the, like, the system can fail you. But, like, if at least the schools were more involved with mental health, then they could get through what they were going through. Absolutely no one cares enough to even do that. That's what kind of where we step in is to where it's like, hey, I'm not a therapist, but I mean, I did go to school for psychology, but, like, I want to be able to be there for you. You can tell me anything. You can vent to me. I can talk to you about whatever it is and get beyond a surface level with you. Like a mentor. Yes, you can talk to me about anything. And no one else is going to help. So at least we let them, like, be kids. Like, we play a game with them. Yeah, we make bracelets. We do all that stuff.

[A]

I would love to come and help. Yeah, whatever I can do.

[B]

You would love it.

[A]

We'll definitely talk after this. But I would love to do something like that with you and even have Bailey come with us because I think she would get a. Just a kick out of it. She loves helping people like that, too.

[B]

She would love it, too, because, I mean, the prison's so much different than the alternative learning school, which I take snacks in there and hang out with her and stuff. It depends if people are coming in or going out. But there's one girl that's consistently in there because she got arrested for first degree murder. But at a young age, like, it's. It was a tough scenario, so we're praying for the best and all that. But at least while we're in there, she's getting loved on and knowing that she's worth it and that her future can be so much more than what happened when she was 10.

[A]

I want to love on these babies, too.

[B]

Yeah. And even at the alternative learning school, they're just. Yeah, they're sassy for a reason. They all have crazy upbringings and it's like, hey, for at least this hour and a half, like, be a kid. Talk to me about what you want to. Like, tell me what you're stressed about. Let's make bracelets. Let's eat snacks and just be girls. A girly pop time.

[A]

I love your heart. It's really cool. I love all that you pour into the world and it's all going to come back to you.

[B]

I love them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even if it's hard to get their life the way it is, like, right now, like, it just. It helps being with them.

[A]

Yeah. It's therapeutic for your soul, too.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

Yeah. I'm so proud of you and your story is really beautiful, and I really hope that this podcast opens up a lot of people's hearts and their eyes to who you really are as a human.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You're welcome. And you can come back anytime.

[B]

Of course. Then maybe it won't be as cold.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know, I'll pay my. Obviously, I'll pay my propane bill, so the $21. 21. But, Katie, thank you for being here. I appreciate you so much. Of course.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Of course. And if people want to find you, where can they find you?

[B]

Shout out your socials at John Bo. I'm KT on Instagram, and I think it's kind of the same. I don't really post on Tick Tock anymore, but same on Snapchat and Tick Tock.

[A]

Come back to Tick Tock. Do not let these people dim your shine.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

They don't. They don't deserve that. That's what they want. Like, you have such a light to shine, and God's working through you in so many ways. Like who. Who cares about the 10 people who have bad things? I mean, you know, to people. Who cares about all the shitbags who have anything to say when there's so many other people that just love you and embrace you, don't let them.

[B]

There are a lot of good. Yeah, there's a lot of good. It's more good than there is bad.

[A]

And it's always easy to pay attention to the bad. Trust me, I get it. But it's just. There's so much more positivity, you know, And I just don't think that I'll come back.

[B]

I post on there, but maybe one day soon I'll put my comments back on.

[A]

Come back. I mean, you don't even got to put the comments back on. Just come back and post and, you know, spread your sunshine.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I will.

[B]

Hopefully.

[A]

Till next time, my love.

[B]

Until next time.

[A]

Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.