The Alarming TRUTH About The US Debt Spiral

Summary

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Earn Your Leisure Podcast

Episode: The Alarming TRUTH About The US Debt Spiral

Date: March 4, 2026
Hosts: Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings (Earn Your Leisure)
Guest: Economic Analyst

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Overview

This episode focuses on the growing crisis of the US national debt—often described as a “debt spiral”—and its wide-reaching implications for the country’s economy and global standing. Rashad, Troy, and a guest economic analyst analyze how debt-to-GDP ratios have soared, why government spending remains unchecked, comparisons with other nations, and discuss whether the US can ever reverse its trajectory. The conversation is candid and mixes accessible explanation with strong opinions on policymaking and geopolitics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Alarming US Debt Spiral

[02:23 – 03:26]

• Opening Question: The analyst sets the stage by highlighting how the US debt-to-GDP ratio has skyrocketed over time—from 35% when Bush left office (2009) to 81.5%, and projections reaching 300% by 2035.

  • "Some analysts say the normalized rate for the debt to GDP ratio in 2035 will be 300%. Do you think spending will ever come back down or what's the new norm that we should be facing?... the power of the dollar has went away dramatically just in our lifetime."
    — Economic Analyst, [02:31]

• Declining Purchasing Power: There’s a pointed remark about how Americans’ spending power keeps decreasing because of persistent government deficits and inflation.

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2. The Reality: The Spiral “Never Stops”

[03:26 – 03:47]

• Hopeless Outlook: The hosts and analyst admit frankly that there seems to be no end in sight:

  • "It's never going to stop. Never."
  • “I knew you was gonna say it, so I didn’t want to say it.”
    — Economic Analyst & Host, [03:26–03:34]

• Post-COVID Acceleration: They point out that the rate at which debt grows greatly increased after COVID-19, amplifying concerns.

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3. Geopolitical Spending & “Idiotic Things”

[03:47 – 05:33]

• Global Comparison: Referencing Ray Dalio, the team suggests the “New World Order” is already here, driven by out-of-control spending, especially on military interventions.

  • "Starting another war just so you don't have to release Epstein files. That's going to be billions of dollars."
  • "The amount of money that's going to be spent on the Iran debacle, that's gonna be another debacle for no reason. You're just finding ways to spend money. China... When's the last time China invaded a country?"
    — Economic Analyst, [03:47–04:18]

• China vs US Approaches: They draw a stark contrast between China, which focuses on economic development, and the US, which spends heavily on military operations and foreign interventions, often with questionable justification.

  • "They're focused on building their economy and we're focused on just doing completely idiotic things for no reason. Like the Iran thing... They have no nuclear capability. You already ruined that. Their nuclear capabilities. And the only reason why they even had the nuclear capabilities to begin with is because you reneged on the deal that was already in place for them to de-escalate their nuclear capabilities."
    — Economic Analyst, [04:19–05:04]

• Wasteful Military Spending: Even operations without “boots on the ground” cost staggering amounts, e.g., half a billion dollars to send ships to Iran.

  • "Just to send the ships over there. It's like a half a billion dollar operation." — Economic Analyst, [05:20]

• Comment on Secrecy: The analysts allude to political motivations and secretive policies.

  • "Well, there's a reason, but we can't say... Not on Al Gore's internet we won't."
    — Economic Analyst, [05:40–05:49]

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4. International Debt Comparisons

[05:54 – 06:26]

• Other Nations Have Discipline: The analysts highlight that both developed and developing nations manage to maintain much lower debt-to-GDP ratios:
  • Saudi Arabia: 20–27%
  • Norway: 30%
  • Switzerland: 30–40%
  • Indonesia: 39%
• Quote:
  • "It's not just third world countries that have low debts of GDP. Saudi Arabia and Switzerland has found a way to not inflate their way and move their debts of GDP to almost 200%, which is incredibly scary." — Economic Analyst, [05:56–06:26]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lasting Debt Spiral:
  "It's never going to stop. Never." — Economic Analyst, [03:26]

• On Policy Frustration:
  "We're focused on just doing completely idiotic things for no reason." — Economic Analyst, [04:19]

• On Military Spending Rationale:
  "Even if there's no military boots on the ground just to send the ships over there. It's like a half a billion dollar operation." — Economic Analyst, [05:20]

• On Opacity in Policy Motives:
  "There's a reason [for Iran], but we can't say... Not on Al Gore's internet we won't." — Economic Analyst, [05:40–05:49]

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Key Timestamps

• 02:23 – Discussion begins on ballooning US debt-to-GDP and loss of dollar’s purchasing power.
• 03:26 – Hosts emphasize that debt spiral is “never going to stop.”
• 03:47 – Connection to Ray Dalio’s “New World Order” and critique of wasteful military spending.
• 04:19 – Contrast with China’s focus on economic building versus US military spending.
• 05:54 – International comparisons: examples of low-debt countries.
• 06:26 – “It’s incredibly scary” commentary as discussion wraps before commercial interruption.

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Tone & Takeaways

The tone is part classroom, part candid roundtable—mixing data, frustration, and unfiltered opinions. The hosts and guest analyst call out US policymakers for persistently inflating debt, criticize foreign policy excesses, and question whether the system can ever course-correct. Their conclusion: the US is unlikely to return to fiscal discipline any time soon—raising concerns for future generations and the global economy.

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Transcript

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Let's talk about the US debt spiral. Alarming. What's the deal with the debt?

I just want to ask a question. Do. Okay. Like not saying he's a great president because I'm arguing that he may be less evil than Trump. So when Bush left office, that's GDP was at 35. In 2009, it was at 81.5%. Some analysts say the normalized rate for the debt to GDP ratio in 2035 will be 300%. Do you think spending will ever come back down or what's the new norm that we should be facing? Because if we're going to be very honest, the power of the dollars went away dramatically just in our lifetime. Spending power has decreased. Do you think we ever get back to a normal cycle or do you think the spiral continues on forever? And let's just talk like it's us at dinner, no audience.

It's never going to stop. Never. Will it stop?

Yeah, I mean I want.

I knew you was gonna say it, so I didn't want to say it.

Yeah.

I don't.

That's what we do. It's scary. And the rate of acceleration is. Is just post covet like.

Well, I think Ray Dalio put a post up. He said the New World Order is already happening. It's already in. And we could talk about this in blackout as well. But yeah, I mean, you know, we have massive debt. Starting another war just so you don't have to release Epstein files. That's going to be billions of dollars. The amount of money that's going to be spent on the Iran debacle, that's gonna be another debacle for no reason. You're just finding ways to spend money. China. When's the last time China invaded a country? Put in chat.

Yeah.

When's the last time China has been engaged in a war or a full fledged military operation outside of the borders of China or inside the borders of China. When's the last time that that's happened? Because they're focused on building their economy and we're focused on just doing completely idiotic things for no reason. Like the Iran thing. That's really for. That's not even this. That's for no reason. They have no nuclear capability. You already ruined that. Their nuclear capabilities. And the only reason why they even had the nuclear capabilities to begin with is because you reneged on the deal that was already in place for them to de. Escalate their nuclear capabilities. So You. This doesn't even make any, any sense at all. They have you literally. We already, we already took care of the nuclear situation in Iran. Why are you even doing this? Going to be so much money spent even if there's no military boots on the ground just to send the ships over there. It's like a half a billion dollar operation.

Chips, new technology, manpower. Yeah,

there's literally no reason for us to even be thinking about Iran right now.

Well, there's a reason, but we can't say.

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Yeah, not on Al Gore's Internet we won't.

In comparison,

countries with low debt to GDP Saudi Arabia 20 to 27 Norway 30% Switzerland 30 to 40% Indonesia 39% so it's not just third world countries that have low debts of GDP. Saudi Arabia and Switzerland has found a way to not inflate their way and move their debts of GDP to almost 200%, which is incredibly scary.

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