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Troy
Earners.
Rashad
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Well, top stocks of 2024 like Palantir and Mr. And Nvidia United Airlines, will they have similar success this year? I think Palantir would do great, even though I'm not theoretically. Shout out to Alex. Love Alex, a big fan of Peter. Intellectually. Palantir would do great. Nvidia would do great. Of course, Vistral, I don't think they have the same year that they did in 2024. I don't care if United Airlines goes up 7,000%.
Troy
I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you.
Alex
I don't give it. You can put Elon on every flight with me and I fly UAL all the time. To me, United Airlines is uninvestable. So that's a hard. That's if we bring back dead or alive. They'll always be dead to me. GEV will be okay.
Troy
Yeah.
Alex
But I think out of this category, the only two that have the same year or better will be Palantir and Nvidia. And I think Palantir, Nvidia and the real Starlink. That is going to end up being like a the new war index when all of those are publicly traded for sure.
Troy
Yeah, I agree with you on United Airlines, Palantir. I'm questioning why and I think it's relative. Right. If we're talking about having the same year or something similar. You're talking about 278 increase.
Alex
Well, yeah, that's gonna be tough to pull off. Right. So I can see a world where they do 100.
Rashad
That's.
Troy
But we just gotta keep things in perspective.
Alex
Right?
Troy
Well, it didn't get to 250. Yeah, well that doesn't usually happen. Right. So like if it does 70 next year, that's an amazing year. If it does 40%, that's still a really good year.
Rashad
I, I've been noticing a lot of.
Troy
Selling off happening in Palantir from execs, from CEO and I know obviously what Palantir does and we spoke about this for the past two years, especially when we were out in Davos and we went to Palantir and I'm like, wait, what they're doing?
Alex
Collect information?
Troy
Yeah. I don't think people really have a, a clear understanding of what this means. Especially when an agency like that, artificial intelligence working with the government surveillance, all that tied into one. I don't think people really have an understanding of it. But I'm, I put a question mark just because of the selling off from a lot of the execs. Obviously you're going to take profits when this company runs up. So yeah, question mark on that. Vista, I think is going to have another strong year. And again, relative. Right. This is the largest return on the S P500 last year. But I think it has another strong year because the AI demand is not going anywhere.
Alex
No, it's only going to increase.
Troy
It's only going to increase and they were in prime position to benefit from that increase. When you're talking about energy for data centers, I think they stay for the same reason that GEV stays. Right. That energy consumption and efficiency to power data centers, which will in turn power the AI revolution. So I like both feature NGEV and Nvidia, of course, if it has. So if Nvidia, I mean if it does 60, I still think it's a great year. It's at a 3 trillion dollar company. If it grows by 15, that's a really solid number. So question mark. Palantir, Vistra, gev, Nvidia for sure. United Airlines, you can, you can have it.
Alex
Yeah, I know we touched on it quickly, but what did you think about what Jensen said at CES in terms of quantum computing? Quantum computer. That was a hot take, but I agree. And the overall presentation on Nvidia, making PCs and Blackwell.
Troy
Yeah, when I was watching it, a couple things were interesting. Number one, I heard what I thought would happen. The presentation when he's talking about memory and Micron being a partner there, that was exciting news. When I heard him coming into the CPU space, I was like, okay, well that's AMD space now. So again, I know that there's, there's some family ties there, but this is like, nah, we've come to take it all. There's no laugh. This is not a laughing matter. Like we're coming to conquer everything. So we're already dominating GPUs and now we're coming. I know you thought we forgot about gaming, but no, here's what we're doing for gaming and we're coming back for your CPU market as well. So that was interesting. So watching amd, I was like, oh man, this is, this is not something.
Alex
But can you have it all? I mean, I'll ask you, Troy Amrashot, can a company dominate both sectors? Because at some point your attention has to go somewhere.
Troy
And I think that's the interesting part, right? Because yes, you can be great at some things, you just can't be great at everything.
Alex
Yep.
Troy
And they're great at, at the GPUs. It's been well documented. In fact, their market share will dictate that if they start focusing on lesser tier things, CPUs and mistake because the price points aren't going to be the same. But what you really want to do is stomp out the competition who is now taking the lead, right? Intel falls, AMD takes over. They announced their product Family ties, right? They, they announced the M. I think it's the M300.
Rashad
And then Nvidia has this whole, the first 15 minutes is not even talking.
Troy
About what they're doing. AI, it's about, yo, this is what we're coming to put inside of the computers. And for gaming. I was like, damn.
Rashad
Then I'm watching and presented.
Troy
I'm like, did he rehearse this? Did he like look at the slides? So the presentation part was a little tricky for me. And then obviously the quantum computing part was like, okay, what are we watching here? Is he setting this up for, for a pullback in this space? Because they're innovating and they're not ready to release that. And then obviously you saw what happened with the quantum computing stocks the next day. They all dropped. Some of them have recovered a little bit, but that was a hefty pullback in that space. And he said 20 to 30 years, right? And then you had a couple CEOs from the Quantum space saying, nah, he's Off. He's throwing you off. In fact, if he's talking about it, that means that they're working on it and they're not far from revealing what they've done, which sounds more like tech CEOs. They're not, they're not working on it and saying, hey, we're 30 years away. They're trying to find, figure out how to innovate faster than the competition.
Alex
I mean, and I'll say this again, I like that the quantum stocks rose, but when Google hasn't put out a demo of Willow yet, I don't think qu bts whoever has the solution and Google has not figured it out. But Rashad, if I'm your distant cousin, you're gonna start me out.
Troy
If I'm amd stomp you out.
Alex
No, they don't. You know, it's one of these things. They didn't, they didn't even know each other until they was like 40 years.
Troy
Old, but they know each other now.
Alex
40 years. They were like, we didn't grow up listening.
Rashad
I really know you, but I know you now.
Alex
It's different. That's a fact.
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Earn Your Leisure Podcast: Top Stock Predictions for 2025
Episode Title: Top Stock Predictions for 2025: Palantir, Nvidia, United Airlines & More!
Release Date: January 18, 2025
Hosts: Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings
Podcast Description: Earn Your Leisure provides behind-the-scenes financial insights into the entertainment and sports industries, highlights entrepreneur backstories, breaks down business models, and examines the latest finance trends. It's a blend of a college business class and pop culture, offering a unique and exciting look into the business world.
In this episode of Earn Your Leisure, hosts Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings delve into their top stock predictions for 2025. The discussion primarily centers around high-profile companies like Palantir, Nvidia, United Airlines, Vista, and GEV, analyzing their potential performance in the upcoming year. The conversation offers listeners valuable insights into market trends, company strategies, and the broader economic landscape influencing these predictions.
Alex's Initial Take on Stock Performances
At [03:57], Alex initiates the discussion by questioning whether previous top-performing stocks like Palantir and Nvidia, along with United Airlines, will sustain their success into 2025. He expresses skepticism about United Airlines' investment potential despite impressive hypothetical gains, stating:
"I don't give it. You can put Elon on every flight with me and I fly UAL all the time. To me, United Airlines is uninvestable."
—Alex [04:32]
Troy's Agreement and Extended Analysis
Troy concurs with Alex's stance on United Airlines and further explores the prospects of other companies. He acknowledges the impressive growth metrics mentioned by Alex but emphasizes the importance of maintaining perspective on achievable returns:
"We're only talking about having the same year or something similar. You're talking about 278 increase."
—Troy [05:09]
He rationalizes that while such exponential growth is challenging, a more modest but still substantial increase would be commendable:
"If it does 70 next year, that's an amazing year. If it does 40%, that's still a really good year."
—Troy [05:31]
Palantir: Balancing Promise and Concerns
The discussion delves into Palantir's potential, with Rashad highlighting ongoing executive selling that raises questions about the company's stability:
"I've been noticing a lot of selling off happening in Palantir from execs, from CEO and I know obviously what Palantir does..."
—Rashad [05:45]
Troy adds that despite these concerns, Palantir's involvement in AI and government surveillance could position it as a significant player:
"AI demand is not going anywhere. They were in a prime position to benefit from that increase."
—Troy [06:37]
Nvidia: Dominating the Future of AI and Computing
Nvidia emerges as a strong contender for continued growth. Alex praises Nvidia's strategic moves, including their foray into quantum computing and CPU markets:
"Palantir, Nvidia and the real Starlink. That is going to end up being like the new war index when all of those are publicly traded for sure."
—Alex [06:50]
Troy echoes this sentiment, highlighting Nvidia's dominance in GPUs and its aggressive expansion into CPUs:
"They announced their product Family ties, right? They announced the M. I think it's the M300."
—Troy [09:27]
United Airlines: A Divisive Pick
United Airlines remains a controversial pick. While hypothetical numbers are eye-catching, both hosts express reservations about its investment potential. Alex dismisses it as:
"To me, United Airlines is uninvestable."
—Alex [04:32]
Vista and GEV: Steady Performers in the AI Era
Vista and GEV are discussed as stable investments poised to benefit from the ongoing AI revolution. Troy emphasizes their roles in energy consumption and efficiency for data centers, which are critical for AI advancements:
"Energy for data centers, I think they stay for the same reason that GEV stays. Right. That energy consumption and efficiency to power data centers, which will in turn power the AI revolution."
—Troy [06:48]
Alex concurs, noting the increasing demand for AI and the strategic positioning of these companies:
"No, it's only going to increase."
—Alex [06:38]
Nvidia’s Strategic Moves
At CES, Nvidia unveiled significant advancements, particularly in memory partnerships and their entry into the CPU market. Troy reflects on the ambitious nature of these moves:
"When I heard him coming into the CPU space, I was like, okay, well that's AMD space now. So again, I know that there's, there's some family ties there, but this is like, nah, we've come to take it all."
—Troy [07:45]
Quantum Computing Speculations
The conversation shifts to Jensen Huang's comments on quantum computing, sparking mixed reactions. Rashad raises concerns about the practicality and timeline of quantum advancements:
"He said 20 to 30 years, right? And then you had a couple CEOs from the Quantum space saying, nah, he's Off."
—Rashad [09:32]
Troy interprets this as a potential setup for future pullbacks in the quantum sector, suggesting that true innovation may be closer than publicly stated:
"If he's talking about it, that means that they're working on it and they're not far from revealing what they've done."
—Troy [09:39]
Alex adds skepticism regarding quantum computing's immediate impact, citing Google's lack of concrete demonstrations:
"When Google hasn't put out a demo of Willow yet, I don't think qu bts whoever has the solution and Google has not figured it out."
—Alex [10:52]
The episode wraps up with a consensus that while certain stocks like Palantir and Nvidia hold strong potential due to their strategic positions in AI and technology, others like United Airlines may not offer the same investment viability despite impressive figures. The discussion underscores the importance of realistic growth expectations and the need to stay informed about company developments and market trends.
Final Thoughts:
"But what you really want to do is stomp out the competition who is now taking the lead, right? Intel falls, AMD takes over."
—Troy [09:05]
The hosts emphasize the significance of selecting companies with sustainable growth strategies and robust market positions, encouraging listeners to approach their investment decisions with both enthusiasm and caution.
Notable Quotes
This comprehensive analysis provides listeners and readers with a clear understanding of the hosts' perspectives on the stock market’s future, equipping them with the knowledge to make informed investment decisions.