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Taiwan, and this is a country that we talked about a lot. Taiwan Semiconductor, one of the most important companies on the stock market. A company that has done very well. I know it's in a lot of people's portfolio.
Tech Industry Analyst
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Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Will this push China over the edge and take in Taiwan? And, and, and Taiwan Semiconductor is the threat for TSM even higher now?
Tech Industry Analyst
Is there a time frame on when you saying this year?
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Well, he said, he said this year.
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Financial Market Analyst
No, no, true, go ahead.
Tech Industry Analyst
I was gonna say my answer is no. I don't think they, they take it over this year. I feel like the country, the country, they're not going to take over Taiwan. And when you hear him speak, it almost seems like he's speaking inevitably like at some point that is going to happen. I don't think it's now. I think in terms of war.
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Tech Industry Analyst
This would create war. You don't tell the enemy or the proposed land that you we're coming to take you over.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Well they Trump did it with Venezuela.
Tech Industry Analyst
Well he's different.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
He gave him a warning.
Tech Industry Analyst
Yeah, I think the dancer.
Financial Market Analyst
Well they already have loose on the ground but yeah I think war war.
Tech Industry Analyst
Here is the last resort. And because of the importance of what Taiwan semiconductor means to the world economy, including China's economy.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Well now we see what you don't got to go to war though. You could just do this Venezuela thing.
Financial Market Analyst
Well no.
Tech Industry Analyst
Well for them just because of you're talking about taking over the entire country. They went to go take the president. Right.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Like Trump said he's gonna. Trump said we're gonna run. We're gonna run the country. That's what Trump said.
Tech Industry Analyst
What I'm saying for for Taiwan is it's a little bit different.
Financial Market Analyst
Well he's going to do that remote if he installs the person he wants there.
Tech Industry Analyst
They don't necessarily want to obviously they want to take the land. But the most important asset is that company.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
But it's not just that though.
Tech Industry Analyst
But it's the most important.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
But they want the whole. They wanted the country. They wanted Taiwan before a long time before tsm.
Tech Industry Analyst
What's the number one? What's the most important asset asset right now?
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
But I'm saying this Taiwan thing goes predates tsm.
Tech Industry Analyst
I know that but I'm saying the number one asset they have is tsm. Why is that so important? Because the future of the world's economy relies on semiconductors relies on AI for sure. Is a race that they want to win. They feel like they have to win. They that's the most important piece. When you're talking about 90% of the world semiconductors being manufactured from a company that's a piece that we have to have and it's right there for us to take. It won't be an easy invasion. In fact I think was it two months ago Wall Street Journal put it out how they could do it. I'm like this is interesting. Why are we putting this out in November about how it could be done and how it wouldn't be an easy process. I don't think it happens. Number one again it's strategically it it to say it out loud and to try to go ahead and do it. I don't think that would be the way that historically how has China has done things right. I think they look at the long term vision of where the country wants to be and they know where they need to be, right? And so having TSM crumble would hurt not just our economy, it hurt theirs too. You so you you still need that.
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Tech Industry Analyst
Right. Even though there's been reports of Nvidia chips getting smuggled in and those were manufactured by tsm, you still need that company to function, to make sure that you don't fall as well.
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Tech Industry Analyst
Like, that's like cutting off your nose. Right?
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
You use the word crumble. What if they don't? I don't think the plan is the crumble. The thing, the plan is taking over.
Tech Industry Analyst
But so inside of that, that, that company, there's a kill switch. Right. So you can't just come into that space and say like, we're going to invade and we're going to take over this company and it's going to be run. There's a kill switch.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Unless you have people on the inside like America had in Venezuela. The inside. China got an. They got inside man.
Tech Industry Analyst
They've tried it. They've tried it a bunch of times and they're still trying.
Financial Market Analyst
That's why it's been toward it. Yeah, yeah.
Tech Industry Analyst
They tried it in the Netherlands with asml. They've tried it with Taiwan Semiconductor. They actually got. This is a guy they're trying to bring back from China. They're trying to say like, yo, we need him extradited back because he left Taiwan Semiconductor to try to give away the secrets of how they were manufacturing, how they were using the machines to manufacture. So they've tried it. They're still trying it. But that company's is still so important. It's still so important. Like you can, like I said, when you take apart a GPU or you break down one of your machines, it's not something that's like, hey, we can put this back together. There's certain details, there's certain intricacies that only this company is going to be able to do.
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Tech Industry Analyst
And this is why the investment inside the United States was strategic.
Financial Market Analyst
Right.
Tech Industry Analyst
It wasn't just by accident that yo, we want you to put fabs here. You know what? You did one here come now we need three of them. They understood the geopolitical issues that were at hand. I don't, I don't think they invade this year. I think they look long term. At some point they will try to season. But by that time, I think the fabs will be throughout the world and the impact won't be as great.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
But they all. Everybody's from Jensen's, from Taiwan and his cousin who's the CEO of amd she's from Taiwan.
Tech Industry Analyst
So the American citizens.
Financial Market Analyst
I'm wrap up both points because here's what's really important.
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Financial Market Analyst
45 of US GDP last year came from 42 tech stocks in around centered around Nvidia open AI. But the key cornerstone point in that TSM is responsible for 20% of that. So China feels as if this is the point Rashad is making because that province was taken away from us. You took away our chance to be the number one global leader. Anyway. Is there a kill switch in there?
Tech Industry Analyst
Yes.
Financial Market Analyst
Are there some reports of some espionage going on in case? Highly likely. So it's a global war and a tech war. But you took our most precious gym of a country and the tech Americanized it because without the AI trade we would have underperformed Europe. Not. No one's really talking about that.
Tech Industry Analyst
Like that's not fair. That's not fair. Only because it wasn't tech.
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Tech Industry Analyst
It was manufacturing first. Right. Nobody manufactures. Right. Like we grew up in that era when you got your sneakers like made in Taiwan.
Financial Market Analyst
Yeah. Right.
Tech Industry Analyst
AI is a new. A newer thing because of. And that was an American mistake.
Square Advertiser
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Tech Industry Analyst
Like for sure. Right.
Financial Market Analyst
Like intel dropped.
Tech Industry Analyst
Yeah, exactly. Dropped the ball on their engineer who then went to Taiwan to create Taiwan Semiconductor now in the from 88 on now like wait, they have a gem there now? It makes sense. Of course you would want that land back. Of course you went and once you saw the technology that's there, of course and you see where the future said of course you want it back. I just don't think they're taking it back.
Financial Market Analyst
And I, I don't think he'll do it this year. But if something were to happen in.
Tech Industry Analyst
27 for my, for my account sake.
Financial Market Analyst
Oh baby. If something happens in 27, he's not going to start the war. But if the war gets started, they gonna finish it.
Tech Industry Analyst
He's gonna. We can't. No All Joseph. We can't have that happen. We just can't have that happen.
Financial Market Analyst
No. Is there a kill switch? Yes. But is there some. We are seeing high level war games. Like the Venezuela thing. That's the entry. That's the kindergarten level of.
Tech Industry Analyst
So here's the interesting part.
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Tech Industry Analyst
S they take the president of Venezuela. It doesn't automatically warrant a response from China.
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Tech Industry Analyst
Yes. We want you to send them back. That was a illegal act of war. If they invade or try to invade Taiwan that's gonna and baits us to go home. Immediate responsibility now it's fine.
Financial Market Analyst
Sometimes you gotta go throw the snowball in your, in a little cousin's face to get him. Yeah, come on. What you want to do?
Tech Industry Analyst
Nah, that's going to be an immediate response. Now this is, that's war.
Economic/Geopolitical Commentator
Well, maybe not, maybe not immediate response because the New York Times, which is a pretty credible organization, they had a, they put out a whole thing of how America cannot beat China in a wall war. And they said the Pentagon went through 20 different war simulations and lost every time. So if you know you can't beat somebody and all it takes is somebody to actually call your bluff, that's all.
Tech Industry Analyst
Fair and fun and games, right? But the reality is this. You're talking about Nvidia, you're talking about Apple, you're talking about Microsoft, you're talking about Broadcom, you're talking about Meta, all your, your major companies catastrophe not going. You can't let it happen.
Financial Market Analyst
You mean us being involved in a Taiwan.
Tech Industry Analyst
If we don't get involved, that's what's at risk.
Financial Market Analyst
Or what if they get us involved to expose the lack of book management and Ponzi that's been going on in the country? There's a bunch of ways to.
Tech Industry Analyst
From those companies.
Financial Market Analyst
Overall market.
Tech Industry Analyst
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Financial Market Analyst
Overall market, not those companies. Those are fine. Even a hyper concentration for sure.
Tech Industry Analyst
You know what I'm saying? Can't risk it.
Financial Market Analyst
But 10 stocks account for 35 of US market value. And I'm a pro hyper concentration person. That's too much concentration. We've never, we haven't had a Santa Claus rally in three years. What their spells are for those who are watching there is gross mismanagement and corruption like we've never seen.
Tech Industry Analyst
That's interesting.
Financial Market Analyst
For every hedge fund, pension fund fund of Fund PE, VC angel to put all of their chips in to 10 when there's four or five thousand. And the thing that's not talked about it since the 80s, we have probably two or three thousand companies that have been delisted and have never come back. So we have a contraction and now we have all this hyper concentration in. Why? Because there's gross mismanagement somewhere.
Tech Industry Analyst
Do you, do you think the hyper concentration gets better in 26 or.
Financial Market Analyst
I think it's going to increase.
Tech Industry Analyst
It's going to get worse. It's going to get worse.
Financial Market Analyst
Going to get worse.
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Hosts: Rashad Bilal and Troy Millings (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: January 9, 2026
In this episode, Rashad Bilal, Troy Millings, and special guests dive into the escalating geopolitical tension between China and Taiwan, focusing on the potential for a military invasion and the implications for global markets. Central to the discussion is Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) and the pivotal role semiconductors play in the world economy. The conversation spans the market's vulnerability, strategic moves by the U.S., espionage rumors, the risk of hyper-concentration in tech stocks, and possible global consequences.
Host Introduction:
Likelihood and Timing of an Invasion
Strategic Restraint
Comparisons to Other Political Maneuvers
TSMC’s Centrality
Why TSMC Matters
Espionage and the ‘Kill Switch’
International Moves
Espionage and Intrigue
High Stakes for the Global Market
Hyper-Concentration in Stocks
Historical Context and Systemic Risk
On Inevitability and Long-Term Strategy:
On the Importance of TSMC:
On Espionage and the ‘Kill Switch’:
On U.S. Tech Dependency:
On Systemic Market Risk:
This episode masterfully unpacks the high-stakes drama surrounding Taiwan, China, and the semiconductor sector’s global importance. Through informed, candid conversation and real-market perspective, the hosts and their guests provide listeners a balanced exploration of risk, market exposure, and the geopolitical chess match reshaping the financial world. The underlying question—Will China invade Taiwan?—remains open-ended but fraught with implications that extend well beyond borders.