B (3:29)

Yeah, I love that. Yeah, we need to reach so many people. You often say UB SIM is built by nurses for nurses. How important was that nurse led origin in shaping the product and its mission?

A (3:43)

So we are very proud about our origin and UB SIM really gives us the opportunity to serve nurses in a way that is generated to meet their specific needs. So we're very proud of our focus on nurses. Our nurses, our staff use the standards of best practice. We use the NCLEX test plan clinical judgment model and of course we adhere to an actual healthcare simulation standards of best practice. So our platform really allows us to meet nurses where they're at and help them extend their education and their competency truly throughout their career.

B (4:28)

You recently released some survey data showing 65% of hospital leaders say new grads aren't fully practice ready. What stood out to you in that research?

A (4:41)

So this is really exciting research for us. We know that nursing education and employer expectations don't always match. Right. We have this academic practice gap. And one of the things that we found was that it's not that academia is completely responsible and it's not that practice is completely responsible, but what we're finding is what it means to be day one ready looks different than it did 20 years ago when I became a new nurse. So in our research we found that in order to help really prepare our nurses for the practice setting that they're going to be encountering, where those expectations change and complexity increases almost daily. We really need to use the tools that we have available to us to enhance that through hands on experiences and building in things like AI ready skills that help them hit the ground running.

B (5:42)

Among the readiness issues highlighted, like interdisciplinary collaboration, time management, clinical judgment and AI assisted charting, which do you find the most pressing and how does UBSIM help address those?

A (6:00)

So I love this because I would like to say all of them, right, all of them are incredibly pressing. But I think what we're finding is it's really relevant for those hiring leaders that nurses come with clinical judgment. That's something that we hear time and again that we can't teach over a course of several weeks to months. Right. It's something that takes much longer to develop and even with our year long residency programs, we're still counting on that foundational knowledge and ability to apply it in those changing situations. In order to truly serve our population. So part of that I would always say, you know, clinical judgment is at the heart of everything we do at uvsim. And every scenario that we develop is going to test or provide learners with that experience from each step of the clinical judgment process that the NCSBN Clinical Judgment Measurement model defines for us. Then we reassess it in our post simulation assessment. So we're reinforcing that clinical judgment and how important it is to every encounter we have with real people. But first we get to do it in VR so we can make the mistake, learn from it, do it again, and do it right when it counts.

B (7:26)

I'm a little probably out of my comfort zone is talking about how in the nursing profession, health. I haven't really talked to too many people about this, but I have heard that AI could really help X ray techs. You know, it could be looking at X rays. How do you see the role of AI evolving in nursing education not just as a tech tool, but as a skill nurses must be prepared to work with?

A (7:53)

So I love this question because AI is everywhere now, right? Like everywhere we look, it's embedded in websites, it's embedded in our chats, it's embedded in our phones, it's everywhere. And what we're finding is that healthcare has a need for AI as well. And so not only do we introduce this in education, but we also see it in practice. So there's a couple key areas. The first is AI assisted charting. So if you've been to your doctor's office lately, you most likely encountered a provider who said, can I record this with my AI transcription while we're in the office? I know, I just did a couple weeks ago. So we actually surveyed leaders on the use of AI and the adoption of AI is rising quickly in hospitals. So they said, I want to say 69% of leaders said it's now considered essential that AI assisted charting piece. And that's up from 26% three years ago. So that actually was 165% increase in the use of AI assisted charting in the last three years. So wow, right? I mean, it's incredible. And it also helps us with workflow, right? So we can actually spend, spend more time at the bedside working with the people that we're providing care for. I recently heard a statistic about the amount of time that nurses spend charting. Nearly half of their time during the day is charting. And I want to say 30 some percent is kind of spent looking up information, right? Looking things up. So finding those things Faster and being able to streamline those processes. I mean, you're capturing so much more time that can be really instrumental to the outcome of the people that we're taking care of.

B (9:46)

Yeah. Wow, that's some real, a real shift in the perception of AI in edtech. Sometimes we talk about applied readiness and it can kind of refer to two main concepts like a student or teacher's capacity to use technology, digital tools effectively, and then the readiness of educational resources to be applied within various tech platforms. What does that look like in nursing? How does simulation bring it to life?

A (10:15)

Oh, I love this because I feel like simulation is the unsung hero of nursing education and even practice readiness. When we think about nursing and the training that we receive earlier in our careers, even 10 years ago, the use of simulation has become ubiquitous, if you will, within simulation and the educational experience. Now VR is doing the same thing. It's becoming just as essential as those mannequin based simulations, those role play or sps that we've used for years in nursing and other disciplines in healthcare. So one of the things that I'm noticing is this ability to be ready requires practice and exposure to situations and contexts that we can't easily ensure in real world clinical practice. So now we're able to do that with simulation. We can recreate something that could have detrimental outcomes, but allow you to kind of experience it in a safe way with no risk to patients. Right. So you can make mistakes, you can learn from them, you can engage in deliberate practice is a common element of simulation where you can go back and do it again and again until you get it right. And that's really what we're doing, is to kind of enhance safety at the outcome, but also build the confidence and competence in our nurses.

B (11:50)

Yeah, it makes so much sense. You're reducing risk significantly.

A (11:55)

That's the goal.

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A (12:41)

This is where I think immersive VR really shines. So we often look at the challenges that faculty are facing and our nursing professional development departments are facing when really just bringing together nurses with the resources they need to hone their practice. Part of that are those clinical sites and years ago, this is kind of exciting to think it's been over 10 years since the National Council State Boards of Nursing simulation study that looked at those national groups of programs and determined that you could safely replace up to 50% of clinical with simulation and achieve those same outcomes. And so we have kind of taken that forward now and we're building into those simulation programs a host of modalities that better replicate those real world experiences and in some ways are better than real world clinical experiences, because you can actually do a lot of the things in simulation and in VR that you can't do in clinical practice as a student. So I think part of it also allows us to have a scalability that you can't, especially in immersive VR. We're able to standardize the experiences and scale them to broad numbers. You know, we can go all over the world and be in the same room taking care of the same person in VR and you simply can't do that, you know, in your physical simulation space. So reducing the number of faculty needed to facilitate those sessions and the physical locations that create some of those budgetary constraints, as you know, these simcenters are incredibly resourceful, but they are expensive and we can't have these everywhere. So part of it is bringing the simulation to the learner, wherever they are, and being able to multiply the faculty impact so we can have fewer or lower overhead, if you will, and fewer demands on an individual faculty within their role to accomplish even more.

B (15:04)

Right. I'd love to hear a story of a university or a hospital that implemented UBSIM and saw measurable impact in learner outcomes or workforce readiness. Do you have any case studies or anything like that?

A (15:17)

Oh, absolutely. So we love sharing stories of success and we have a host of case studies that we are able to share both from nursing programs as well as hospitals. And I'd like to highlight one of our recent hospitals that we've worked with. So Grand Ronde in Oregon is a 25 bed critical access facility. And they adopted UBSIM as a way to help support their transition to practice or nurse residency program. And they are happy to boast a 96% retention rate for their nurses. And the cool thing about it is that the nurses that one of their groups of residents were the ones who actually asked for UB sim. They put together the proposal, they did a presentation and they brought it in and it's really made a difference in their access to those simulations. And as they say, we can take it into the break room and we can jump into a sim when they have 30 minutes, and they can experience or reinforce some of those things that they may need to validate a competency, or they just need a refresher because they haven't seen. Seen it, you know, in a community setting, it's difficult sometimes. Or a community hospital or what we think of those critical access facilities. You can encounter just about anything on any day of the week, but you might not see it week after week after week. So those refreshers have really made a difference.

B (16:43)

So, right. How do you think about the balance between simulation and live clinical experience? What's the right blend?

A (16:53)

Oh, this is a tricky question because it always. This is an educator's response. It depends on the objectives. So we don't choose the modality based upon, you know, we want to use that equipment or we want to use this piece of technology. We choose it based upon what are the needs of the group that we're serving and then what are the objectives for that experience and then choosing the modality. So I like to see it as a blended approach or as a supplement to an existing simulation program by creating a more experiential and immersive environment that really learners can experience anywhere. We can experience it from the comfort of our homes. We can go into a simulation center and have it set up in the other room. They're rotating between stations, so to speak. Or as we mentioned earlier, it can be in a conference room or meeting space where, you know, just step off the floor for a break and you're able to get some education in that time.

B (17:53)

Some might question if VR is real enough for nursing, how do you ensure that your simulations build skills that really translate to patient care?

A (18:05)

So this is where I really want to highlight our nurses. So we have experienced nurses on staff that design and test and trial and update every scenario that we build. And we also include additional subject matter experts to ensure that they are real and that they are exactly what you would anticipate the nurse's role in those situations. So one of the things that we think about is the nature of immersive VR makes it feel more real automatically. You know, you put the headset on, and you're not just seeing an image in front of you. You're immersed. You're seeing the entire space. You're looking around and you're in another place. The moment I put it on, when I first got my headset, I was like, oh, my goodness, here's my patient. I'm at the bedside. This is home, so to speak, for a nurse. Right? We're with. With the patient. So I think that's an automatic being in immersive space. And then comes the content, then comes the context of the simulation itself. And that's where I think our product nurses do an incredible job at doing things that I didn't even think of. Right. That they were able to intentionally design and vet every aspect of that simulation so that it does feel real and translate directly to patient care.

B (19:28)

There's been a growing pressure on both nursing programs and hospital systems to ensure that graduates are not just credentialed, but they're truly ready for the realities of patient care. And that's led to some, I think, some creative partnerships and technology driven training models. What trends are you seeing in how healthcare systems are working with nursing school to prepare graduates and how does that, how does simulation support those efforts?

A (19:57)

So this is one of the most exciting things I think that's happening right now in nursing education and in healthcare systems because we're finding that immersive VR bridges that gap. We are able to serve that preparatory space in academia as well as that transition to practice and beyond in health systems. So when we think about simulation, it's always been in both worlds. But what we're finding is there's this opportunity for us to partner even more intentionally to close that gap, if you will. And one of the things that we found when we were looking into the research, we found that I want to say 90% of healthcare systems are exploring co branded micro credential programs with nursing schools. So this is a huge shift in how hospitals are thinking about workforce pipelines and a place where I feel, and we are recognizing the role of experiential. Immersive learning is really taking center stage.

B (20:58)

With everything changing so quickly from clinical tech to accreditation expectations, I think yesterday's plans or playbook doesn't really prepare for tomorrow's nurses. If a dean or director or a nursing program came to you asking how to get future ready, what three things would you tell them to focus on right now?

A (21:23)

So I love this idea of being future ready because I always say can we ever be future ready? But I think that's part of where technology is helping us get there. And so I always say, you know, don't be afraid to investigate. Try everything, right? Try it out and see what is going to be the best fit for your, your learners. So of course we've talked about AI, right? So I think we are past the point of questioning. Is this here to stay right? It's just what's it going to help us do next? So I Think part of it is recognizing that not all AI is created equal. And so I think investigating how you want AI to help you and what you want it to do, and also what kind of guardrails are we giving it for those situations that we're using it in? I think first is that technology piece, right? And AI. And I kind of can't help but mention the role of experiential learning. So I heard from some amazing leaders in nursing years ago, talking about where we're going to be doing clinical in the future. And we're finding that it's coming true, you know, that we aren't going to be in those clinical sites doing everything like our predecessors did, even 10, 20 or more years ago. We are limited and partly because of the demands, the complexity of care, but also the safety or the risk to people, to those we serve. So creating opportunities for experiential learning is more and more important as our learners change, their needs change and even how they learn changes. And I think we have to embrace multiple perspectives and look beyond our individual area of expertise. So looking beyond just nursing education, but looking at other disciplines, other industries to help us as we're trying to reframe education, if we're trying to reframe that readiness transition and how we all work together, you know, because at the end of the day, we always say nursing is a team sport, nobody plays alone.

B (23:50)

So it's hard to imagine nursing labs five years from now looking anything like they do today with VR headsets on one side and AI driven feedback on the other. The whole training experience is being reimagined, I think when you look out three years or so in the future, what's your vision for how VR and AI come together in nursing education? What major shifts do you see coming?

A (24:16)

Oh, my goodness, you know, in a lot of ways, I see it as a coach, as an assistant, I guess, is what we have now, but more of a mentor in ways. But that doesn't take away from the role of the human. Right. So we still see a high need for human interaction, human skills, and the ability to engage in that reflective dialogue and conversation. We can do a lot of these things now and we can enhance them with AI. But what I think is going to happen is we're going to start to see an integration, kind of a symbiosis, if you will, between that immersive learning and that virtual reality, creating spaces for shared learning and individual growth, enhancing that with AI in a way that's truly meaningful and relevant and not just a bunch of characters on a screen. Right. And creating education that is individualized, I think will be one of the top things that we are moving towards. That's been a push for years now, but I think it's becoming more and more important that it's not just individualized, it's personalized and goal directed.

B (25:30)

What's one message you would want educators and ed tech leaders to take away from today's conversation? And where can they learn more if they want to explore VR simulation further?

A (25:41)

Oh, of course, of course. I feel like educators and ed tech leaders really need to start having a bigger conversation. I think part of it is recognizing that we both have something to give and to gain from that collaboration. I love it when I can sit down with educators and we can just talk about what's happening and envision, well, how could we help with that, you know, from the ed tech space? And I think that's something that a lot of us are looking for. You know, we're looking for those ways that we can help ease each other's burden, but also create the future of that educational experience for faculty, for students, for nurses as they practice in any space really where they're needing that development. And I would love to share more. If anybody is interested, they can check us out on our website@uvsymvr.com great.

B (26:37)

Then we'll put in the show notes too. And this has been a great look at how simulation, AI and collaboration are reshaping nursing education. Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective, Christy, and for helping all of us think a little more boldly about what's next. Thanks for being on the show.

A (26:53)

Thanks, Jeff.

B (26:56)

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