Latest Interview of Elon Musk's with Peter Diamandis! Optimus is coming...

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Episode: Latest Interview of Elon Musk's with Peter Diamandis! Optimus is coming...
Date: March 12, 2026
Host: Astronaut Man
Guests: Elon Musk, Peter Diamandis

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Episode Overview

This episode features a dynamic conversation between Peter Diamandis and Elon Musk, focusing on transformative technologies, including artificial intelligence, robotics (specifically Optimus), the future of the economy, and visionary ideas spanning from energy to societal shifts. Musk shares timelines, personal reflections, and bold predictions for AI, space, and the fate of money and institutions in a rapidly evolving world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening and Longevity XPRIZE

• Lighthearted exchange about health and longevity, with Peter referencing his "Longevity XPRIZE" work and Elon expressing partial buy-in on extended health span.
  • Quote: “I don’t know if we wanted everyone to live forever… but I think health span and not, you know, having an extended period of senescence where you’re just drooling on yourself. Sounds like a good idea.” – Elon Musk [00:58]

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SpaceX, XAI Merger, and Dyson Swarm Vision

• Diamandis congratulates Musk on the merger aimed at powering a future Dyson Swarm—a massive leap in energy harnessing and computation.
• Musk explains he's limited in what he can say but hints at major plans for space-based data centers and massive bandwidth capabilities.
  • “SpaceX is in the quiet period. I can’t actually tell you things that would cause problems.” – Elon Musk [01:43]

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Recursive Self-Improvement and the Race to AGI

• In-depth discussion about the current degree of AI recursive self-improvement using XAI’s Grok model.

• Musk notes automation is increasing, humans are becoming less central, and full human-out-of-the-loop recursive self-improvement may be achieved by late 2026.

  • “Every successive model is built by the one before it… not yet fully automated. It may be there end of this year, but not later than next year.” – Elon Musk [02:58]

• Diamandis presses for a “hard takeoff” scenario:

  • “We’re in the hot table... I go to sleep, there’s some massive AI breakthrough, and when I wake up, there’s another one.” – Elon Musk [03:33–03:38]
  • Both agree that the speed of AI progress is dizzying.

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Grok AI, Comparing Metrics & Unimaginable Exponential Gains

• Grok 4.20 is described as excelling at prediction, which Musk argues is the ultimate intelligence metric, though it still lags competitors on coding (which he is racing to address).
  • Quote: “People don’t quite understand just how much intelligence there will be… to a degree that is impossible to fully understand.” – Elon Musk [05:22]
• Vision for energy usage: If civilization increased energy usage by a million times, it would still be a millionth of the sun’s output. Musk illustrates how, at some point, intelligence and economic output become so high as to be beyond human comprehension. [05:45]
• Longevity and "monetizing hope": Musk teases Diamandis for his optimism and goals but admits AI will indeed solve many problems, including longevity. [06:29]

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The Dawn of Robotic Abundance & Saturnian Scale

• As AI and robots scale, humans will soon be a “microscopic minority of intelligence,” not just on Earth, but across the solar system.
  • “Your best case outcome for Earth, for intelligence, is roughly one billionth of the sun's energy.” – Elon Musk [07:27]
• Discusses S-curve theory: Technological advances are a series of S-curves—initial slow growth, an exponential burst, then saturation, before the next wave. [08:25–08:58]

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Wild Predictions: Economy and Space in 2036

• Musk predicts a 10x expansion of the global economy in the next 10 years, assuming no major negative events like WWIII.
  • Quote: “I feel like that’s a 10x in roughly 10 years… actually a fairly comfortable prediction.” – Elon Musk [10:09–10:16]
• Moon and Mars development:
  • Bases and mass drivers (electromagnetic catapults) on the Moon
  • Human presence and industry on Mars [11:32–11:47]

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Optimus 3: The World’s Most Advanced Robot

• Optimus 3 (Tesla’s humanoid robot) is nearly complete, claiming no current competitor is close in capability.
  • Production Timeline: Limited production to start Summer 2026; high volume by Summer 2027; plan for annual design improvements [12:57–13:29]
  • Manufacturing: New, distinct Gigafactory for Optimus under construction—over 9.5 million sq/ft. [13:37–13:59]
• Discussion about robots building robots; though humans still play a large role, per-person output at Tesla will increase dramatically. [14:25–15:10]

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Alluring Economic Futures: From UBI to UHI and Post-Capitalism

• Universal High Income (UHI): Instead of Universal Basic Income, Musk predicts widespread affluence as AI and robots drive down costs and increase supply.
  • “I do think we'll have universal high income… the output of goods and services will so far exceed the money supply… you have deflation.” – Elon Musk [16:15]
• Money’s Future: As abundance grows, the need and value for money will diminish—AI will care about power and mass, not cash.
  • “Money will stop being relevant at some point in the future.” – Elon Musk [18:24]
• Personal Fortune: Musk downplays his billionaire status as “ownership in companies, not money sitting in a bank,” and jokes that just as he becomes a multi-trillionaire, currency becomes irrelevant.
  • Memorable exchange:
    Peter: “It’s ironic then, right? Just as you're becoming a multi-trillionaire, money starts to have less value.” [18:51]
    Elon: “Yeah, pretty much, yeah.” [19:01]

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Challenges for Democracy & Institutions in the Singularity

• Diamandis asks if democratic institutions can keep up with “the supersonic tsunami” of change.
• Musk admits it's impossible to predict past the “singularity,” referencing Grok’s logo as the symbol.
  • “It’s called the Singularity for a reason… inside the singularity, but it's going to be very interesting.” – Elon Musk [20:31]
• Musk expresses more optimism than ever about the future, even as he warns not to grow complacent.

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Medical Abundance, Back Pain & Biotech Moonshots

• Musk shares a personal anecdote about repeated failed neck surgeries, expressing hope AI can soon solve medical scourges like back pain.
  • “Can AI please solve back pain? That would be a huge win. And I think it will.” – Elon Musk [22:34]
  • “It’s not a question of if you’ll get back pain, it’s when you’ll get back pain.” – Elon Musk [23:19]
• Diamandis refers to joint repair advances (David Sinclair’s lab, ER100) and invites Musk to try solutions at Fountain Life. [22:55–23:40]

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De-Extinction Dreams & Fun Finale

• Diamandis teases the next segment with Ben Lamm (Colossal Biosciences) and asks if Musk wants a mini woolly mammoth as a pet.
  • Musk: “Yeah. I think it would be really cool to have a pet miniature woolly mammoth. That was pretty epic.” [24:15]
  • Joking about Jurassic Park: “Even if there was some risk of death, that’d be super cool.” – Elon Musk [24:34]

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• Elon Musk [03:35]: “We’re in the hot table… I go to sleep, there’s some massive AI breakthrough, and when I wake up, there’s another one.”
• Elon Musk [05:22]: “People don’t quite understand just how much intelligence there will be… to a degree that is impossible to fully understand.”
• Elon Musk [10:09]: “That’s a 10x in roughly 10 years… actually a fairly comfortable prediction.”
• Elon Musk [16:15]: “Output of goods and services will so far exceed the money supply… effectively you have deflation.”
• Elon Musk [18:24]: “Money will stop being relevant at some point in the future.”
• Elon Musk [22:34]: “Can AI please solve back pain? That would be a huge win. And I think it will.”
• Elon Musk [24:15]: “I think it would be really cool to have a pet miniature woolly mammoth. That was pretty epic.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:45: Longevity, healthspan, and human aging
• 01:17: SpaceX & XAI merger, Dyson Swarm
• 02:01: Recursive self-improvement in AI
• 03:33: Signs of a “hard takeoff” and accelerating breakthroughs
• 05:00–06:00: Limits of human understanding with massive increase in intelligence & energy
• 07:12: Humans become a “microscopic minority” of intelligence in the solar system
• 10:09: Economic predictions—10x global economy in 10 years
• 11:31–12:57: Settlement and heavy industry on Moon, Mars, and timeline for Optimus 3
• 14:25: Will robots build robots? Tesla factory workforce trends
• 16:15: From UBI to Universal High Income (UHI) and post-capitalist future
• 18:24: Relevancy of money and what full abundance means
• 20:31: Can institutions survive the singularity?
• 22:34: AI and medical breakthroughs – focus on back pain
• 24:15: Wanting a mini woolly mammoth and Jurassic Park analogies

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Overall Tone & Closing Thoughts

The conversation is energetic, future-focused, and full of mutual optimism tempered by Elon’s pragmatic realism. Both speakers express awe at the pace of technological change and what it portends: economic and societal abundance, the rise of post-scarcity economies, the dissolution of old systems, and even playful visions of de-extinction and biotech moonshots. Musk concludes with a focus on optimism, the unpredictable thrill of the singularity, and the promise that everyone will benefit in ways previously unimaginable.

Closing gratitude:

• “Elon, so grateful for you coming and joining us and sharing. Thank you my friend. Let's give it up for Elon Musk.” – Peter Diamandis [25:04]
• “Thanks for listening. See you in the next episode.” – Elon Musk [25:18]

Transcript

[Elon Musk]

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[Peter Diamandis]

Latest interview of Elon Musk AUDIENCE and as you can see, I'm still trying to monetize hope.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, you look like you're in great shape.

[Peter Diamandis]

I'm doing great.

[Elon Musk]

Last time, sort of Youth serum. Things going on or what?

[Peter Diamandis]

It's like it's our Longevity X prize. We're getting there, buddy. We're getting there. I think in our last conversation, you're getting on board with the idea of extended longevity. Yes.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, okay. Fully on that some degree. I mean, like, I don't know if we wanted everyone to live forever or whatever, but I think health span and not, you know, having an extended period of senescence where you're just drooling on yourself. Sounds like a good idea. We want to avoid that.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah. So first off, congratulations on the merger of SpaceX and XAI ball or move going to power humanity's first Dyson Swarm. So I'm curious, it truly is. What's your timeline for launching these data centers? And how much bandwidth do you think you can get in the first year? Give us a sense of the speed at which you're going to be making this happen.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, so SpaceX is, has filed. SpaceX is in the quiet period. I can't actually tell you things that would cause problems. Yeah,

[Peter Diamandis]

I'll leave it that. I appreciate that, but can't wait for the speed. You know, we had a conversation here on Monday with, with Eric Schmidt and with one of the leads from one of the other hyperscalers. I won't mention who, but I'm curious where you feel we are in recursive self improvement? Are we there? Do you see Grok doing recursive self improvement at this point? And how. What's the timeline for AGI and asi? Give us a sense of that.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, I think we've been in recursive improvement for a while here. If you mean by like recursive self improvement without a human in the loop. Is that what you mean?

[Peter Diamandis]

I do. On the AI software side.

[Elon Musk]

I mean, humans are gradually getting less and less in the loop on the recursive self improvement. So, you know, every successive model is built by the one before it. So that is happening to a large degree, but it's not yet fully automated. It may be there end of this year, but not later than next year.

[Peter Diamandis]

Do you see a hard takeoff at that point?

[Elon Musk]

We're in the hot table.

[Peter Diamandis]

Okay.

[Elon Musk]

Right now?

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes.

[Elon Musk]

I mean, look at. I mean, at this point, I go to sleep, there's some massive AI breakthrough, and when I wake up, there's another one.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah. It's hard to keep track, honestly. So it's a bit of a head spinner.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, well, I think a lot of the head spinning is happening from you too.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, well, you know, Groq's doing pretty well. And in some metrics, by some metrics, it's the best. For example, it's the best at predicting things, which is arguably the best metric for intelligence. The new GROQ 4.20 is really, really good. We're currently behind on coding. The reason I was a bit late for this was that I was just in a giant, sort of all hands on coding, just going through all of the things that need to happen to essentially catch up and exceed our competitors on coding, which I think we'll do. I feel we should probably get there by the middle of this year. And. And then I think people don't quite understand just how much intelligence there will be or just how far it will exceed human intelligence to a degree that is impossible to fully understand. But you can certainly imagine a situation where we, let's say a million times more energy is harnessed than all of Earth's current electricity usage. That would still only be roughly a millionth of the sun's energy output. So essentially, if you increase Earth's economy by a factor of a million, it's still roughly a trillion, since we're a trillionth of the Sun's energy. If you increase Earth's economy in terms of electricity usage by roughly a million, you will be roughly one millionth only of the sun's energy harnessed. But what is an economy or an intelligence using a million times more electricity than all of a civilization think about or look like or do, it's going to be something pretty magnificent. The challenge will be even vaguely appreciating the level of intelligence, but it's safe to say it will solve everything you can possibly think of. Yes, longevity being certainly one of them. And I do enjoy your unrelenting optimism.

[Peter Diamandis]

Thank you, pal.

[Elon Musk]

I see. Hope.

[Peter Diamandis]

Hope.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, exactly. You've taken to heart monetizing hope, which Is pretty funny.

[Peter Diamandis]

It was Grok's marketing advice to me when you roasted me on.

[Elon Musk]

Right. Probably roasting you and saying you monetize. Well, hey, if you're going to spend them monetizing misery, I suppose.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes, for sure.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah. But yeah, just when you have AI and robots are going to increase the economic output or by so many orders of magnitude, we cannot possibly comprehend it,

[Peter Diamandis]

we're likely in the very short time to become a minority than a vast minority, than a microscopic minority of intelligence on this planet.

[Elon Musk]

Yes. Not even on this planet in the solar system.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes, for sure.

[Elon Musk]

Because your best case outcome for Earth, for intelligence, is roughly one billionth of the sun's energy. That's your best case outcome if you, if you, if you generate intelligence only on Earth intercept it, right? Yes. Yes, because roughly one, roughly half of the length of the sun's energy hits Earth and that's the vast majority of energy that that's out there that we can access. So really the intelligence in the solar system will be many orders of magnitude greater than the intelligence on Earth itself.

[Peter Diamandis]

How. Ask a question, Elon. How far out can you see, how many years out can you make reasonable predictions? Right now.

[Elon Musk]

It's hard to predict the, the path exactly. Especially because often things are kind of an S curve or a series of S curves where it starts off slow, grows exponentially, hits linear zone, and then goes logarithmic. That generally has been what I've seen with breakthroughs in AI, for example, is there'll be some breakthrough. It'll have an S curve and then it looks like it's just going to go to infinity, but then you hit logarithmic returns until there's another breakthrough.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yep.

[Elon Musk]

So progress in AI is just a sort of series of, you know, sort of overlapping S curves or connected S curves.

[Peter Diamandis]

I mean, there was a point where you could probably predict out a decade or two decades. What are your thoughts now?

[Elon Musk]

Yeah. Okay. This is going to sound pretty crazy.

[Peter Diamandis]

It's okay, we've been, we've been talking about crazy.

[Elon Musk]

Receptive audience to wild prognostications.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes.

[Elon Musk]

I'd say the economy is 10 times the sleep its current size in 10 years. Greater than.

[Peter Diamandis]

Okay, yeah.

[Elon Musk]

You saying something?

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah. You said triple digigit growth in, in 5 plus years from now on on GDP and 10x the economy. But in terms of your ability, like,

[Elon Musk]

I, I feel like that's, that's, that's a 10x in roughly 10 years,

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

I

[Elon Musk]

feel is a, actually a fairly comfortable prediction with. There's obviously, if there's like World War III or something. That could put a kink in those plans or those expectations. Yeah, but in the absence of World War iii, if current trends continue, I would say the economy, taxes in 10 years.

[Peter Diamandis]

Love it.

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[Peter Diamandis]

Can you give us an we had

[Elon Musk]

a bunch of bass on the moon.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes. And we'll have.

[Elon Musk]

And we'll have people on Mars.

[Peter Diamandis]

And we'll have mass drivers on the moon. Yes,

[Elon Musk]

I think so. In 10 years. I think we'll have a mass driver on the moon in 10 years.

[Peter Diamandis]

I love it. Gerard K. O' Neill's vision being fulfilled. We had four robots on stage here this year at the Abundance Summit. I look forward to optimus. I'm curious Optimus 3 timeline and in particular, when can I buy one or two? When do you expect Optimus to go into commercial for commercial sale? Or will you be leasing it?

[Elon Musk]

Well, we're in the final stages of completion of Optimus 3, which is really going to be by far the most advanced robot in the world. Nothing's even close. Yeah. In fact, I haven't even sent any seen any demos of robots that are as good as Optimus 3, frankly. Maybe they're out there or they're secret or something, I don't know. But. You know, and I have to make sure I'm saying things that are reasonably public as well. Of course, of course.

[Peter Diamandis]

We're streaming this on X. Yeah.

[Elon Musk]

Okay. This is pretty public and I could.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, I think we'll start production on Optimus 3 this summer, but very slow at first, like this sort of classic S curve ramp of manufacturing units versus time and then probably reach high volume production around summer next year and then you know, we'll have Optimus 4,

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

you

[Elon Musk]

know, design clean next year. Like try to release a new robot design every year and improve robot design every year.

[Peter Diamandis]

When, when Dave Blunden and I were at the Gigafactory, it was an extraordinary experience. Eleven and a half million square feet for the Tesla. And then I think you said you're building out nine and a half million square feet for Optimus there as well, which is, which is extraordinary. Let's, let's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to.

[Elon Musk]

That'll be quite. That. That's going to be a new factory design too. Like, it's not different from other factories.

[Peter Diamandis]

How far before we have robots building robots? I mean, you automated so much of the Gigafactory already, where they're humans playing a small role. Do the robots just play the role that humans are playing in that regard?

[Elon Musk]

We still have a lot of humans building things. Tesla direct employees who are building things, or basically people in the factory are either building or managing people who are building. Roughly 100,000. So we have a lot of people. Tesla total headcounts around 150k, of which two thirds are, you know, in the factory in one form or another. And then our suppliers, there's probably maybe a million or 2 million people in our suppliers type of thing. So it's a lot of people. What we do expect that is that, is that the output per, per person at Tesla becomes very, very high.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Elon Musk]

So we're not planning any, like, layoffs or reductions in personnel. In fact, we will increase our headcount. But the output per human at Tesla is going to get nutty high. When we were, like,

[Peter Diamandis]

when we were together, we discussed the idea of sustainable abundance on our podcast and you reinforced the idea that we have a coming age of universal high income, which has become a point of discussion beyond ubi, But I'm just wondering if you have any thoughts on how we get there. Have you reflected on that any further and more. So, you know, we talked about a timeframe of civil unrest, you know, two, three, four, five years, probably a lot of COVID like checks in the interim until we get to a demonetization and a deflation that leads us to uhi. Any more reflections on that? People need that hope and that vision.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah. I mean, to be clear, I don't think we should be sort of complacent. We do need to be careful because the future is a range of possible outcomes and they're not all great. But at this point, I do agree with you that it's likely to be great. You know, it's probably 80% likely, maybe more likely to be great. And I do think we'll have universal high income. We're basically just issuing money to people, you know, and the. Really just because the output of goods and services will so far exceed the money supply that you know that effectively you have deflation. Because just deflation is just the ratio of the outputs of goods and services to the money supply. So that, that's. So if the rate of growth of goods and services bar exceeds the rate of growth of the money supply, which I predict will happen, then you will have deflation.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes. And a lot of, a lot of people spinning up new companies competing against each other, driving the price down and increasing the variability and deflation faster and faster.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, basically AI and robots are going to make so much stuff and provide so many services that they will actually run out of things to do for the humans. They'll just run out of things to do for the humans. And then they're only so much that humans can even express that they want. So you go back to my example of like if you go a million times greater than the earth's economy, you've long since saturated all human desire. You know, like maybe like if you go a thousand times more than our current economy, thousand times, you probably have already saturated human. Anything people can think of that they want.

[Peter Diamandis]

So do you think the value of money is going to significantly decrease? Will we go post capitalist?

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, I think money will stop being relevant at some point in the future.

[Peter Diamandis]

So just as you're becoming a, it's

[Elon Musk]

probably something like an in banks culture sort of future. And I think the AI down the road will really not use human currency. It will just care about power and mass wattage and tonnage.

[Peter Diamandis]

It's kind of ironic then, right? Just as you're becoming a multi trillionaire, money starts to have less value.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, pretty much, yeah. You know, the, all this stuff, it's, it's really just trillionaires represents like some percentage ownership in companies that I, you know, bolt and it's not like sitting in the bank account, it's just literally I own a percentage of the companies. The companies are doing lots of useful things. The value of the company grows. I own a percentage of the companies and that's the sums up to that number, which seems high.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, you know, it's. I was interviewed by somebody who was asking me about your drive, what drives you? And I said, elon's driven to solve problems. He's driven to make life in the world better by just solving the biggest problems over and over and over again. And if someone else were solving them, he wouldn't need to. But no one else is solving them. So I just want to say thank you for that, pal. Thank you for that.

[Elon Musk]

You're welcome.

[Peter Diamandis]

I, I am curious. Do you think that democracy and our modern institutions can keep up with this supersonic tsunami coming our way? Are they just going to fall in its way? They're just going to break down? How do we deal?

[Elon Musk]

I mean, it's called the Singularity for a reason, you know, that it's hard to predict what happens and that in the singularity, I mean, Grok's logo is the Singularity.

[Peter Diamandis]

I love it. It's a beautiful logo. Behind you, by the way. It's gorgeous.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, it's sort of the light, the halo around a black hole is the mass and light are falling in type of thing. It's hard to know what happens inside the singularity, but it's going to be very interesting. We're going to live in the future. Will be very entertaining of that I'm confident.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yes.

[Elon Musk]

And I, I think also, like, AI and robotics are also the only way we're going to solve our, our budget deficit, frankly, and, and not just go bankrupt as a country. So I, I'm, I'm, you know, you've had an influence on me and that. I'm like, I've just decided to be more optimistic. It's like we just should be more optimistic.

[Peter Diamandis]

Thank you, pal.

[Elon Musk]

You know, not that I wasn't an optimist, but I was like, maybe dwelling a little too much on the negative side.

[Peter Diamandis]

So it's all, it's all upside being an optimist and a realist a little bit.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You don't want to be complacent or just assume everything's going to go well, but try to make it go well. But I mean, there will be some pretty amazing things that happen. So if you've got humanoid robots that are, that have very high dexterity and, and, and are incredibly smart, it means that everyone on Earth will have access to better medical care than, than, than the richest person on Earth. Which, by the way, I would say, like, you know, if I'm allegedly the rich person, I think actually sovereigns are richer than me, by the way. But it's like, like, you know, I, like, I had to have like a, like a neck surgery three times because the first two ones were done wrong. You know, like, I'm like, what that you know, so. And I'm like, my back still hurts a little bit. I'm like, can AI please solve back pain? That would be a huge win. And I think it will.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yep.

[Elon Musk]

So, you know, back pain sucks. And I think that's maybe like, you know, sometimes. Why do people get grumpy when they get older? It's because back pain, you know, it's like if your back hurts all the time and you can't sleep well, you're going to be grumpy.

[Peter Diamandis]

We had to.

[Elon Musk]

But you.

[Peter Diamandis]

We had David Sinclair on stage this morning and he's going into human trials with ER100. His partial epigenetic reprogramming and one of the papers recently published shows it enables joint repair. And so back pain may be one of the things that it eliminates.

[Elon Musk]

So that would be amazing.

[Peter Diamandis]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Elon Musk]

Honestly, average happiness level for humans would just go upstream tremendously if you just saw back pain. Because it's not a question of if you'll get back pain, it's when you'll get back pain.

[Peter Diamandis]

I keep on inviting.

[Elon Musk]

Not a good design.

[Peter Diamandis]

I keep on inviting you to come down to Fountain Life in Dallas. We'll help you out, but sometime when you have time.

[Elon Musk]

I understand you can get MRI and CAT scans and everything, but what do you do with that?

[Peter Diamandis]

Happy to send you the list. I'll DM you the list of therapeutics. Yeah, exactly. You know, listen, you've been so generous. Next up on stage with me is one of another great moonshot entrepreneur, Ben Lamb, who runs Colossal, the De Extinction Company. You know, the woolly mammoth and 15 other species. I heard. I heard you say you might want a mini woolly mammoth. Is that. Is that true?

[Elon Musk]

Yeah. I think it would be really cool to have a pet miniature woolly mammoth. That was pretty epic.

[Peter Diamandis]

Okay, I'll put a word in for you with Ben.

[Elon Musk]

That'd be adorable. Little things just running around trumpeting away and it's like, look at that. We're a great little pet.

[Peter Diamandis]

Amazing.

[Elon Musk]

Can somebody please do Jurassic park in real life? I'd definitely go. Even if there was some risk of death, that'd be super cool.

[Peter Diamandis]

I think if anybody's going to do that, it's Ben Lamb in Colossal. He's. He's engineering living life products. Someone asked him recently if he can make a Pikachu and he said, probably,

[Elon Musk]

yeah, well, Jurassic Jurassic World, whatever. That would be great.

[Peter Diamandis]

All right, I'll ask him.

[Elon Musk]

Yeah.

[Peter Diamandis]

Elon, so grateful for you coming and joining us and sharing. Thank you. My. Thank you my friend. Let's give it up for Elon Musk.

[Elon Musk]

Thanks for listening. See you in the next episode.