“What I'm interested in is how do I bring the voiceless to the table. How do I bring the invisible into the visible landscape and have those various views and opinions heard, recognised, and embraced? That's what I'm about.”

Do not listen to this podcast if you are in the business of saving lives. You will be left distressed.

But if you care about people and humanising work, there are many pearls of wisdom in this podcast:

why risk is a cultural construct that defies measurement and defining;
why there cannot be a formulae or recipe for an honest and open conversation;
what it takes to develop the curiosity of a child;
and why from experiencing injustice to sharing our truth takes so much more than what the tenets of psychological safety and just culture want us to believe.

And we don’t talk theories; instead we laugh, we joke and we share our lived stories.

But the most amazing part of this podcast is not the four ‘key takeaways’. It is watching and experiencing how human connection transcends time and space. Someone who sits ten thousand miles away would connect with such presence, attunement, love, compassion and wisdom. How does that make any sense? We will build up on this conversation in our forthcoming series on Leadership titled ‘Following-Leading’ in Risk.

In conversation with my dear friend Jenny Krasny.

Enjoy listening to Jen and find out how some wonderful people are quietly working to humanise work and make the world a better place.

Jen you are wise beyond words.