A (9:47)

Absolutely. For sure. And also, have y' all done genetic defect testing on him yet?

B (9:53)

Yes. So he did. That's a good, that's a good question. So he tested him there before I bought him and he was a th carrier and he's a DS carrier, but he's pha free. And to be honest with you, when we clipped him and I shaved his head, he is smooth forehead and like no ridge, which is sometimes a tail on the th. And I joked with him the other day, I said we might want to rerun that DNA because I have seen them make mistakes at labs before. He does not have ridge on his forehead. That's normally very evident of a th carrier. I'm not saying that I think he's th free, but if they had made a mistake and he is, then we're talking like this is the most exotic.

A (10:28)

Versatility we've ever seen.

B (10:31)

So we're gonna run it again just to be certain. I don't think it's gonna change, but it didn't even make me question it until we shaved his head and realized that he didn't really have that real th head on him. And so which I think is a good thing. I mean, even if he is a carrier that I still think that's, that's quality, that's a quality trade in itself. But so he, he's pha free, but he's dirty on the other two, which in my opinion, like we just discussed, if he's th free, it makes him very unique. But I still think he probably serves more good as a carrier bull on clean cows that need changed. And just, you know, there's so many of those cows that we've been using with in God, and here I am and how great all these very high profile bulls. And I think this bull, if he's made it like those bulls and gets to be used on those same type of cows, I think that we really see the same, at least I hope, ability to generate like that because he's going to get used on those same types of, of genetic females. So.

A (11:25)

Yeah, and I had a conversation, I had a conversation with someone the other day and they were talking about how these show steers their head shape and the way they're designed just are starting to read a little more mature than normal. So what's interesting is if he can inject cattle that have a steer wise, and I don't want people to take this the wrong way, but more youthful and fresh, I think that's an even better plus, if that's what you want to say.

B (11:50)

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think, I think definitely with the way that things have progressed here from a market standpoint, we've seen a major difference in, let's just say, show weight that's appropriate to try to win some of these majors. It's definitely gotten to the point where now 1400 and up is where you got to be. And it used to be if you were at 1400 or over, it was like, oh, man, I think I'm too heavy. And so with the extra weight and the maturity, you're going to, you know, trying to keep those cattle fresh in terms of their head and skull, I think is going to be an advantage. And this bull has got an absolutely beautiful head on him. And so I'm hoping that that translates on, obviously, in his progeny, because I do think that there is some. When we talk about, you know, competing at the highest level, it's. It's little things like that that can separate a first and second place, you know, And I've seen that at some of these major shows that there's two that are just absolutely incredible. And the one that gets the nod to win the class and sometimes the division and the show by the end of it is the one that's the freshest in his appearance with the condition that they're at. And so the freshness thing definitely is a. Is a major player when it comes down to deciphering some of those really tight classes, for sure. So finding the kind of bulls that can sire stuff that hopefully can maintain some of that is definitely something that I think is valuable for sure.

A (13:04)

For sure. And you would know better than I would in terms of how he's bred, but would he have a red gene carrier by chance?

B (13:12)

So that's one thing that we're going to. We're going to look into as well. I want to find out some of the dilution testing stuff because his mother is a black and white cow and he is silver himself. And so there's not been a rat tail out of that meeting at all. So I don't know that he's got a red gene per se, but I don't think. And that's. I need to do some more investigating into that because I really do think that you can breed this bull to black cows and he'll, I think, make black calves, which would be very valuable to have a charolais colored bull that can make black calves out of black cows. So that, like, for example, within God we trust, that's something that you can't do. And so I think if we can have a son like that, that can. That just adds value. So I'm going to look into that. But that's how with Chad and I discussing it, we think that that is a possibility and I could be wrong. I'm not 100% versed in all that stuff. But we're going to look into that and get some testing done on that to see where we're at with that for sure.

A (14:06)

Awesome.

B (14:06)

Awesome.

A (14:07)

Well, everything we've talked about so far has got me really, really excited. But let's go through all the stats and describe people, everything in terms how he's related to all these other calves that have so much success.

B (14:20)

Yep, absolutely. Because let's be honest, when I start with my selection criteria, I definitely put an emphasis on being backed by a proven cow. I've tried to really make that something that's important. Because when we talk about semen selling and going around the country and mating these bulls to everybody's cows, not everybody has cows that have years and years and years of generational built up, you know, pedigrees like that. And so in order for me to provide bulls to them that can increase the consistency of the calf crop, it's in my best interest to have them out of cows that have not been one hit wonders because you're eliminating some of that risk there. And so if we're going to start mass breeding, you know, some of these bulls, cows all over the country, I think the more proven the cow family is behind those bulls, definitely the success rate is higher. And that's, I've seen that in real time. And that's why I definitely put some emphasis on that this bull is. No, that's not a thing that I didn't bring into consideration at all. That, oh, 75 cow. Like I talked earlier at Chad's, there's been four calf crops and like I said, there's some falls in there too because he does a fall deal as well. Those first four calf crops have grossed just over 750,000 and many of those were selling from 30 to 50k. So it's not like there was a couple of real, real high ones and then the rest were bringing 8 to 10. Like there's been a lot of them that have brought five digits. So that was something. And that's, that's all from my. There might have been. There was a couple in good as it gets, but most of those that are in that total are full sibs to this bull. The first time he did her that way, it just worked so good. He was like, well, just, just keep doing it. So I know they did do it as good as it gets. And he actually sold half interest in a heifer on his sale this Fall. I don't want to say the wrong number, but I know she brought upwards of 20,000 for half interest, and that was as good as it gets out of that cow as well. So it's not like she only works to one bull, but that mating has been printing money for sure. Like I said earlier, her. Her pedigree self is she's a here I am 79B. And so I can give you some stats on the 79B, because the here I Am mating to her has grossed well. It says here that the 79B cow herself has grossed over 2.2 million in progeny sales. And most of those, again, were Here I Am. They've done it as some other stuff. There's been some maternal maids and some different maternal stuff in there, too, but I would say the bulk of those have been Here I Am. So this Naughty By Nature's Mother would be a full sib then in blood to this is just a few of them. The 2025 Nebraska State Fair Grand Champion Market Animal, the 2025 Reserve at Wisconsin State Fair, 2025 State Fair of Iowa Champ, the 2024 Indiana State Fair Grand Champion Market Animal, the Division 3 Champion at the 2023American Royal, and the Grand Champion Steer at the 2022 Michigan Livestock Expo. So that's just a few of the. And those are major shows. Those were all Here I Am B's. And those are all full sibs to Naughty By Nature's Mother. So not only is he out of a cow that's grossed almost a million, she's a full sib to a cow that's grossed 2.2 million and has raised multiple state fair and national show champions herself. So I guess I don't need to say any more, really, on that. That's pretty proven. When it comes to the club calf world, this bull's genetics are definitely going to work. So. And that's without even including in God We Trust in his track record of obviously hundreds of champions and high sellers. And he needs no introduction as well. So we're combining all of that into one package. And then the rarity of how he's built and designed and just that's kind of the. The cherry on top.

A (17:56)

So also we can just go ahead and say it sucks to say but in God's Dead. So we have a.

B (18:03)

And there's been some sons and there's been some sons that have been quality and that they're doing their thing and that. And that's. I'm not going to take anything away from Any of those and try to, you know, think that my bull is going to be better than what's already been out there, or even surpassing God We Trust himself. Those are pretty hefty expectations. But what I will tell you is the progression of things has to be at some point. Whether it's a bull or a cow, the goal is to have them have a progeny that will outproduce themselves. So, I mean, God willing, this bull turns into something that can maybe surpass something one day. That's obviously a goal. Whether it'll happen, I don't know. Time will tell. There's still a lot of things that's got to go, right. He's got to, you know, freeze enough semen to get out and enough cows and flush enough cows, and those got to be good, and the traders got to buy them and got to end up in the right families and catch the right judge to win the major. And I get it. There's a lot of stuff that has to go into that here before we talk about, you know, hall of fame status. But. But it's also got to start somewhere. And I really do think the vehicle we're driving right now has got as much potential as any club calf bull I've ever promoted in my career. So.

A (19:06)

And the last time that you promoted a club calf bull there at Denver, it was life's a trip. Correct.

B (19:11)

That would have been a cattleman's congress. So the last one that we did would have been told you so. And he's been a very, very profitable animal as well.

A (19:17)

So what I'm getting with that is not only has it been a minute since you've taken a bull to Denver and promoted him, that should just go to show that one's just that much more special because you decided to look at this thing, say, hey, I think he's good enough. I think that he can be a game changer in some way, shape or form. I'm going to take him to Denver so people can get his. Get their eyes on him.

B (19:36)

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, truthfully, I was focusing on the main Andrew thing after told you so because that club calf bull was doing his own thing. I wasn't looking for another clean bull because he's triple clean. And he kind of filled that void in our industry and was. He's been very, very consistent in what he does. And we've been just absolutely thrilled with how successful he's been. And so I didn't go out looking for another clean bull to try to step on my own toes. I didn't think that that would be valuable to my business. And I didn't go out and try to find a, or I guess promote another carrier bull because truthfully, I didn't find one that I thought I had to have that I thought was that to the next level of what we had around. And so once I saw this one, I knew that was like, this is the year we're getting back into the club calf deal. Like, this is the bull I think can change some things. So I just, I've been a firm believer in promote the bulls you think that you need to have in your lineup. And so I thought some of the main bulls that we acquired were, were a great fit for what I needed at the time. And now by this year, something that I thought I could really use and need that had its own lane is another carrier club cap bull. And so when I, when I saw that one, it just kind of all come together and I just knew that that was definitely something we needed to have. So.

A (20:47)

Absolutely, for sure. So now I ter you've seen him in person, what do you think in terms of cows? Do you think that he can work to just, I mean, obviously he's thds. So the cow, essentially y' all are going to recheck these DS again, but that's another conversation need to be th free. And in my mind, DS on DS works.

B (21:10)

Yeah, I still think I say that confidently, but yeah, we can kind of play with a little bit of risk there on the DS thing. I do know it sucks when you get a DS calf, but I would say the th deal is definitely more volatile. So I think you can get away with flushing or breeding this bull to a DS carrier cow and taking your chances. The guys that are wanting to raise the show steers that are at that elite level, those are the guys that are taking those chances already. Those guys are flushing their DS carrier cows to, you know, all the proven bulls right now anyways. So I don't think that's going to scare anyone off. But I think, I guess a few of the things that I would think he will bring to the table is obviously look and presence. I'm not saying breed him to the most plain fronted cow and he's going to fix all of her issues, because that's hard to do. I mean, he's, he's half the equation. But I do think that this bull's neck attachment and just presence off his front end is so unique and a lot of his sibs have been that way that I feel confident that he will add value in that area of a mating. And so if you have a cow that's maybe a little shorter necked or maybe just a little plainer, he's definitely not going to take away and it any worse. I do think that on the average he will help you in that area. Definitely feet and legs that that animal is so crazy built in terms of his structure, like his angle from his shoulder to knee to pasture on his front end and the way he reaches is like a jaguar and his rear leg is the same. It just again, don't breed him to a super straight cow and then if they come out a little straight, go well, he, you know, he didn't fix it. The bull can only do so much. But I still think he's going to be beneficial on cattle in terms of keeping them really sound and functional or if they are a little bit rigid or upright. I do think he can still help in those areas. I don't know that he can take it all the way to a hundred at times because like I said, there's a lot of things that have to match up. But I think he's going to be a structure improver on the average in terms of just big feet, dense bones, flexibility out of his joints. He's smooth and he's not coarse in his shoulder. Just the way it's all laid in there, it's just very, very elite. And I think those things are hard to get and I hope that he'll push some of that through and I feel pretty confident because of like I said, a lot of the sibs have been that way as well. One thing I would say is he is, I wouldn't say he's a super long bodied bull, but he's not like a short, little jammed up, short ribbed one. He's got some length of spine which I like. They got to have that in terms of just having some loin and, and all that stuff. So same deal. If you breed him to a real long bodied cow, I don't know how much he's gonna, you know, just box them up. He will probably do some, but you have to use all this thing, these things in relativity, you know, you can't just take two polar opposites and hope it's going to land in the middle. And so I think I would still protect him a little bit on length of body at times. And it's just as far as don't bring him to a freight train length cow and expect that he's going to just make them short back because there's only so much he's going to be able to do in one generation. But I think the best things he's going to do is just structural integrity, look, presence, just density in terms of his feature and just making those wild looking ones the kind that just when they're out walking through the pen, they grab your attention. And that's from a sales perspective. When I'm selling livestock, I know when I have a customer walk in the pen, the one that prances around with his head in the air is the first one they're going to ask about. It's just human nature. I mean, the ones we notice are those ones we don't notice. The one that's walking around with his head halfway down in the dirt, those are the ones that on a halter sometimes. Okay, okay, I can see it now. But now the ones that are prancing around, those are the ones that grab attention. And so the more of those you can have your pen for sale, the better. And I think this bull is the kind of livestock that can generate those type of cattle.

A (24:45)

Absolutely, for sure. Well, with that said, what days will you arrive at Denver and will he be on display? So if people are that interested in going to make the trip up there, they can be able to know what days come find you?

B (24:57)

Yeah, absolutely. So we will be displaying him on the 16th and the 17th, which is a Friday, Saturday. And that'll be in the yards in Denver. We're going to be in our usual spot, the same spot we've had told you, so no hard feelings, claim to fame. That's our corner stall. We'll be there like usual. And so we encourage everyone that is going to be there, especially this year with the people that are exhibiting at Denver. That new building is right down there now, next to the yards versus up on the hill. And so we think there's hopefully going to be a lot more traffic from those people coming out as well. Because there was a lot of times where when you're up on the hill, it's like, man, I don't really want to walk all the way down there. I'd like to go look at them, but it's too far. You get busy. I think there'll be some more of that kind of traffic. And then there's obviously the people that frequent. There's just to come look at the livestock in the yards and the display bulls and all that stuff too. And we, we welcome everybody and, and definitely would like to, to visit with anyone that wants to know more information on the bull or any of our bulls that we carry. And. And I think it's going to be great weather by the looks of it, too, so that'll make it enjoyable as well. I know last year we had a bit of a blizzard and nobody could even display on Saturday. It was snowing so hard. And so looks a lot better this year. We're really looking forward to it and excited to get him out and show the public for sure.

A (26:08)

Well, everybody, I'm very, very glad that Raymond gave me the opportunity to do this. The bull himself is very, very impressive. And for Raymond to believe in this bull as much as he does and take him to Denver and promote him and let the public get to know him and then come on here and explain the details means a lot to me. And the fact that empower you gets to be a part of it in some way, shape, or form. Is there anything else that you want to kind of talk about or go over before we wrap this up?

B (26:34)

Sure. I mean, real, real briefly. There is going to be two other bulls, club calf bulls that we are going to release here after Denver. We're just going to kind of focus on one at a time just to not really flood everybody's timelines and just really get the full exposure on each one. And so the other two that we're going to be promoting this year as well are also from Chad Thompson. And one of those is a here I am 79B. So he's a full sib to Naughty by Nature's Mother. We're pretty excited about that one as well. And. And Chad's also excited because he's been looking forward to finding a bull like that that's bred like that, that he can also turn out on his cows because that mating's been so proven. And so that's definitely the plan for him is to get collected. And then Chad wants to run him himself on some cows as well. And then there's how great thou art out of the 735 donor, which would be the same cow that would have raised. Well, there's been quite a few state fair champions out of her as well. And she's also the mother of England's new world order bull. And so this bull's red. The here I am, 79B is black. And Chad owns both of those. And there's actually a partner on the red one as well. They were both in his fall sale. And then we're promoting them with him. And so we're gonna announce those after Denver once, you know, kind of the Buzz wears down from Naughty by Nature. And then we'll. We'll definitely show those to the public as well. I briefly put out a little video. We'd had a snowstorm blow through here, and I had all three of them washed and blowed out. And we kicked them out in the snow and let them run around in the snow. We put out a video and kind of showed real briefly this little bit of a teaser kind of a deal. And. And there was a lot of interest in both of those as well. And so I want to let everybody know that they are still around and we are still going to show the public those. But we've only got one display spot in Denver. We chose to bring Naughty By Nature just because we felt that he was the most elite of the three and the most unique. And so that's the one we're going to show off in person, all three of them. We encourage everyone to look at. At the bull studs, if you can get to those and go view them there. And also we are going to put out some video footage of all three of the bulls as well, just for people that if they can't get to the bull studs, at least that might help them see some more than just a, you know, just the side shot that a lot of people like to put out. We like to show a lot more than that and. And really get people a feel for all angles and structure and just all that stuff so they can make informed breeding decisions. We think that's really important. So. But yeah, just want to let everybody know that there is two more that we're going to release and announce. And we're really excited about those as well. But yeah, we look forward to Denver and everybody coming out to see us.

A (28:56)

Well, thank you for the opportunity, Raymond. I really appreciate it. I'm glad we get to talk about Naughty by Nature again. He'll be there and on display on the 16th and 17th there in Denver in the yards. Very excited. Can't wait to see what he does. And with all that said, very excited about this little new venture promoting sires, especially ones that are going there to Denver and can't wait to see what else we get to that's in store for the future. So with all this said, empowerment's here. Thank you all for tuning in. If you all have any questions at all, y' all know where to contact Raymond there. Competitive Ed Genetics. He got a website and they got Facebook and Instagram as well. Cannot wait to see his promo picture and everything. All the hype there at Denver. So with all this said, thank you all very much for tuning in, and we'll see you all next time.