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Weston Hendricks
Welcome to season four of Empower youw and I'm your host, Weston Hendricks. And I developed this platform alongside my team with the objective of aiding to your interests as an individual in the livestock industry. Our goal is to empower you while gaining insights and trust and consuming it from some of the most significant people in our industry. With that said, a new episode is released every Friday with a sneak peek available on social media platforms a day prior to. So as usual, thank you for tuning in and enjoy the episode. Here's to empowering you.
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Colton Thigpen
All right, this is now the last episode of season four and man, I don't think it could end any better way. I don't know about you, Rory D. But this is pretty awesome. I don't think, I don't think anybody's ever gotten you on a podcast before. Our story's a little unique and I've known you I don't know how long, but thank Colton Dickin for that showing up in Jagger's graduation party. I guess the only thing I can say is we appreciate everything that you've done or that you've done for my life and being a good human being, Roy. So with all that said, I want you to introduce yourself to all these people that are listening to you and, and we'll go from there.
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Rory Dell
My name is Rory Dell. I live in Guadalupe County. I was born and raised here. My entire life I've lived within about a five mile circle of my family's farm and has never lived outside of that. We raised some cattle, maybe 20 head of cows as a kid. My grandfather and my dad had raised Polands through the 40s and 50s. And after my grandfather's passing and my dad was getting out of high school, the hogs were sold off and there were no hogs again until myself and my sisters started the show. And that would be right around 70, 18, 70, that's a minute ago. And so we started off buying a few crossbred Yorkshire Hampshire bears and gilts. And that's how we started showing. And then one gilt we showed my youngest sister, showed Teresa and she was champion gilt, so we kept her and that was the first sow that we had. And then we went on from that point. And as we went on we would, as we got a little older, we'd start showing American show steers. We showed all American show steers, never an exotic we. That's when all cattle showed with hair. And my dad didn't think we could compete being in the south, in humidity and with our, our weather the way it was with the haired cattle. So that's kind of where we went as we grew up. Next thing we're in junior high. One of the first steers I ever showed. We had a friend that ran a ranch and they ran all Bramer cows. Colton Thigpen calls them Brahman cows. And we all just called them Braymer cows. So anyway, he had a nice set of Braymer cows and a real meaty brown Swiss bull. So we had bought a steer that dogs had got down, ate one ear off and had scarred him all up on his face. And so we showed him at San Antonio. I did, and he would place. And so we took him to Houston and I played a few sports, a little bit of football, ran a little track. And so we're going to Houston and my sister showed him because I had a track meet. And so he ended up winning his class. That was. That was pretty awesome feat as time would go. We feed 10 or 12American steers every year and probably feed 15 to 20 show bearers, few gilts. And that's kind of how we went all the way through. We placed some pigs regularly, we placed some steers. It was rough. We just kept going and going. That's kind of how we got through maybe 10th grade, 11th grade, and we started gathering more sows, trying to put together a small sow herd, my father and I. And we had a good county agent, Guadalupe Canning, just for some that would travel with my dad at that time. They were. They were gathering a few young gilts that we would show and we'd keep the better ones as sows as time went on. I guess by the time I was 10th grade, 11th grade, I took over the hogs completely through that period of time as a man by the name of Ronnie Gert. And both he and my dad are passed. But Ronnie Gertz was a purebred man. And he kept probably 150 sows of all breeds. And so I was working there with about 10 sows. And he'd give me access. There's very little AI at that time. So he'd give me access to his bores. And I didn't return, do some chores for him. He treated me like a champ from first time I met him, the last time I saw him. And by having him there and having a base where I could go in and get some semen or use a bore, maybe buy guilt. It was a big jump at that time. So by then I was about out of high school and it was time to look here, there I. I was at a conference and Oklahoma and Earl Cain. I was in my late teens. Earl Kane had showed some boards from Sheridan, Iowa. And I was just amazed by the three boards he showed. All of them were out of our budgets. I came home, regrouped, went to the bank at a checking account. At the time, I was about 10 years old. Went to the bank, borrowed some money, got me airplane ticket. First time I ever flew. Flew to Des Moines. Snow, ice everywhere. Never seen that in South Texas but once. And at that time, so anyway, I rented a car, only car on the road. Drove about 50 miles. Cars rolled over in the bar, ditch, whatnot. I drove out there. Earl's family treated me like I was one of them. Bought a boar, and then they had him brought into Texas. And there's a big circle that goes around. So the last 10 years, Earl and I have been partners again on sows and bores. And so we've got a bunch of our boars that are in Sheridan, Iowa. We keep a small group here at the farm. But during my growing up and during my early years, that's pretty much how it went. And once my father turned those hogs over to me, he never asked me anything or never suggested I use this bore or do that. My dad was a great livestock person. He had shown or raised Champion Market Barrow, San Antonio, Houston. They had shipped Poland bores by rail car pretty much all over the United States. Anyway, they showed champion steers, Houston, San Antonio, champion bears. He had raised Champion Market goats when he was living. And so he was a very, very savvy livestock man. He didn't talk as much as I at times. And so he didn't like to sell them as much as I did. And that's where maybe. Maybe I had little advantage over him. But he never asked me. And so, but anyway, I borrowed my money, bought my boy from Earl, brought him back. Then from that point, we had a great relationship for all these years now and 45 years, I would say, and we're partners last years and have a great relationship. Have some sows with Earl or Darl, and we keep a small group of sows here. The population and growth of my area, New Braunfels, is one of the fastest growing places in the last 10 years in the United States. So they started to put some squeeze on us, and that's why we downsized our sow numbers here. So we just try to keep about three groups, three groups of 12 sows, 36 to 40 sows. And some 10 years ago, we sold down a Bunch of our breeding stock, our facilities. And that sums up a big part of my growing up, which I grew up on. Our home place of 61 acres, had the river below us, worked river, Lake Dunlap. So we got to enjoy fishing, hunting, water skiing. We did work. And that's one thing my father and mother did teach us how to work and how to do what we say and say what we mean. So from that point on, that sums up a lot of my through high school days.
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Colton Thigpen
So now you're done with high school, you're raising these show pigs. I guess what I really want to talk about at this point is showing these cattle and hogs back then. What does it look like now? Like, what are the differences? How did you evolve everything from, let's say, 20, 30 years ago, maybe more, to now? I mean, what separates the differences?
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Rory Dell
Yeah, let's talk more like. So my last year of showing in high school was 19. Oh, I'm not going to say the competition is stronger now because there's always been a lot of families that tried awful hard, individuals that tried hard. You know, you go with your 4H group, or you go with your FFA group or with your county group, and everybody helped each other. Everybody was for everybody. They wouldn't. There was no jealousy. There wasn't any groups. There wasn't a kid from South Texas hauling with somebody from west Texas. And everybody's got to do what suits themselves. But back in those days, that's how it went. When we went to Houston, everybody stayed together, Everybody pinned together. Everybody helped each other. And so we would. In the early days, we'd say San Antonio at a bunkhouse up above the cattle barn. So we'd stay there. The young men would stay there. At times, you know, in today's time, there's nothing like that, and there's not anything available to do that. The cattle, you know, they've changed several times in the last 45 years. Cattle today, are they better than they've ever been? Probably not. Places, yes. Places, no. You know, they. They've changed a lot. We've had long tall ones. We've had these moderate, bigger body, bigger ribbed cattle with more production in them. And so everybody's got to pick their poison. Some of it is from financial reasons. Some of it's strictly of wanting to win because you have unlimited funds. And so as myself, as I went through these periods of time, you know, I always wanted to make them the way I liked, so they were good to look at. So they were fun to look at. And you know, we wanted to win, we wanted to do good. Doing good was winning to me. Still is today. So the changes have gone from one end to the other. We've never jumped from one end to the other. We tried to swing in the bottom third of a horseshoe. Buddy Winter's always said that that's a safe place to be and to stay. And it makes a lot of sense as I'm looking back over 53 years of continuously raising cattle and show peaks show pigs being our hugest numbers were a big part of it. I've always raised cattle and you know, the cattle now last 10 years or so, we've put a little more time into them, maybe a little more effort, maybe you've had a little more luck, but. But that's kind of where we're moving.
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Brandon Horn
So now that we got you on the topic of breeding animals, I mean obvious in the swine in the hall and the cat cattle bar, you've been extremely successful. So it all starts at a base. So what do you feel like you need to breed into or start with to really get something going?
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Rory Dell
To get something going, I think if you don't have it, then you need to kind of step back and look around some and spend some time somewhere. A lot of people, they're not going to let you spend much time at their place. If you act right, you can stay here with me as long as you want. If you don't, you, you'll be asked to circle around the little barn and go right out the gate you came in and. But I was very fortunate. My dad for one, for two, Ronnie Girth David Kippen longtime ag teacher and friend, Somerset High School he, those, those three men would take me places. Ronnie Gert, my dad first, and Ronnie Girth and then David Kempen. David Kempen would get me into places that no one could get in except himself. And so in my later high school years, early late teens, early 20s, every now and then he'd drop me a bore off. He said, hey, I run across this boar, I think you can use him. I said, well, it depends if I can pay for him. He said, well, you can pay me what you can pay me a little later. But he'd never bring me nothing crazy cost wise. And every boar he brought me did work and generally took one pig to pay for it. And so he's been a long time help to get things established, to getting things where they were as far as the types. Earl Kane was also one of the first places I went to and spent some Time. These other men taught me, mentored me, and would take me. Earl Kane, I went to him. From the first time I met him. We've been personal friends. 45 years later, none of that's changed. Earl's fortunate. His two sons came home, two grandsons came home. So he's got a heck of a crew. So anyway, I'm weighing this out. I'm traveling, I'm looking, trying to find females that were moderate in their kind. Always, you got to have a big forearm. You got to have full rib back then. Now, how far do you push it? I don't think you ever have too big a forearm or you never have too much rib for rib. Rib in general, badly. We don't need their belly dragging the ground. They've got to have some production in them. So we would try to keep our females looking real similar. Sound moderate, no problems. And on the male side, on the hogs, when we were going hard and heavy at 450 sows, and so we, we. At one time, 80% of those sows were out of one sow, our daughters of this sow, our granddaughters or great granddaughters. And I used 18 sons of this one sow, and all of those sows were moderate in frame. Sound functional? To get around the boars, I'm raising market bears. I wasn't into selling breeding gilts, bread gilts. I was into selling terminal market hogs. And so if you get a bear swaying 265 pounds and he's sound enough, he's going to be. He's going to be two days, three days, he sound enough. I feel the same way on a market steer. Once he gets to 1450 pounds today and he's getting around, good enough. I think that's okay. Your cows, your sows, your females, they have to have some longevity. They have to live on concrete, live in the pasture. And so some guys will talk about a bear and say, you know, this. This guy's third. They'll talk about him for 30 minutes. And first and second, they don't talk about much, but they say, well, this guy's third because we know he's got some sisters out there. Well, at that moment, we're not really judging their sisters, and we're judging terminal market hogs. And those sisters really all should go to slaughter as well. It's pretty simple fact, and it is the truth. So, anyway, those are my thoughts. That's what I followed. We've done well. There's other guys done better, done great, good for them. But all of it Sums down to females will carry your load. You can use the average bore and you'll still have a good season. You can get a bull that just don't quite do it. If your cows are good, calves would be good enough to sell. Get ribbons. Getting ribbons is winning to me. Some guys, they got to get a banner good for them. And that's, that's a good place to end up at. But it doesn't happen overnight. And there's only so many they give away anyway. Females, moderate, sound, functional, big forearm, big fore rib. Everything else will be there if they have those two things. Bulls, bores. I've used stress positive bores more than anybody years ago. But when I breed them to clean sows, lots of winners came out of that. But not many people would use a stress positive bore. And we would. And some of these bulls, you know, they really need to be able to get out there and breed a cow. And all of our bulls can do that. But everybody has, again, different thoughts. And I guess you got to do what works for yourself. Absolutely.
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Colton Thigpen
So I want to talk about now, kind of, let's go back a couple years. You went to the climb sale of Colton's. You bought real, real good red cow, rock B10, all of them. Why did you go after those types of cattle and what has it done for you since then?
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Rory Dell
Okay, Rock to start with. We bid on him for a steer for a friend of mine. And we, we didn't think he would get big enough to be a breed champion, but we thought he could win a class for sure and he was awesome. And we got out on the upper end and I told my buddy, that's just enough for a light middle steer. And so anyway, then, you know, he had a bull steer option. Well, he ended up as a steer, as a bull. And so I had him in mind for the next two or three years after we bid on him as a calf. And then the 5319 cow Brandon, Brandon was selling as a red heifer. And I was there and I had been bidding on her and Brandon, Brandon was looking on what was what. And anyway, Colton was bidding on that ever as well. He had told me that. And so I quit bid. And I said, I said, well, I don't need to bid against that young guy. I said, he got a better plan than me anyway. So that's why, I'm not saying that's why I stopped, but that's, that's probably why I stopped. And so anyway, when Colton came up to have her for sale, well, the Cow was already proven in several breeds. And so we bought her maybe, maybe one of the cheapest cows we ever bought. And she's Produced, I think, 12 breed or reserve breed champions at major stock shows. I've kept, I don't know, 15, 20 heifers out of her. I've sold a couple half blood heifers.
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Weston Hendricks
I've.
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Rory Dell
I haven't sold any others. The B10, when we bought her, she was bred to the Rock and that calf sold and paid for her. Then we had tried a couple other bulls. We bred her back to the Rock ever good. And then we flushed her to a bull I raised here called Big Iron Sugar Bear Son. And we had gotten one bull calf and one heifer. And then that steer was the one that was champion American and grand overall at Fort Worth this past year or this year, 20, 25. And so we locked in them too. And then we bought a couple others. But those were the two main two that I was gonna buy. And I was gonna buy the Rock even if I just put him up on the hill and drove out there and looked at him every evening and had him with 10 cows just so I could look at him because he's an awesome creature. Still winning classes, still placing lots of kids in top five. And so he's done a really good job. Yeah. Cool.
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Brandon Horn
I mean, you've proven your success in the. In the hog and the cattle barn and breeding these. I know you've had like a strong run, the swine. And you've been extremely hot with the steers recently, the Texas majors. Do you kind of rather stick to what you've been doing, if that's proven and proving your genetics or you like to venture out and see what else.
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Colton Thigpen
You can get, make them even better.
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Rory Dell
Than they were before? Well, if it works, I keep doing it for sure. If the cow flush is good, will flush her to two or three bulls. 53, 19. You know, we flushed her to exotic bulls. We've had class winners. We flushed her to Raymer bulls to make Brahmin show steers. And they've been breed champions. We've bred her to make Gertz. They've been breed champions. So that cow will continue to flush her. We'll have maybe 15 to 20 calves born out of her coming up. And definitely some big irons. And there'll be several other bulls, some half bloods for sure. If it works and it's been working, I just stick with it. And, you know, a lot of people say it may work once, but it'll never work again. Well, that's their thoughts, not mine.
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Weston Hendricks
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Brandon Horn
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Weston Hendricks
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Brandon Horn
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Weston Hendricks
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Brandon Horn
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Weston Hendricks
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Brandon Horn
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Weston Hendricks
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Brandon Horn
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Weston Hendricks
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Rory Dell
That's good worry about.
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Colton Thigpen
All right now I want to talk to you about the type of people that we try to involve ourselves with. Your circle from outsider looking in is kind of, well, not kind of. It is small, but you've got all the right people. How did you make those connections? What did you do to establish a relationship and earn their trust? Kind of talk to us about.
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Rory Dell
What.
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Colton Thigpen
You think us as people can do better.
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Rory Dell
Well, first to do better, we've got to work hard because it's when people come and look at a steer, think about a steer, you know, it's 10 months a year project. Some of these guys are buying them where it's a 14 month project, 16 month, 2 year project. You know, you got to have a lot of commitment to have that long of a project. And some, some people that are on, on a win, I tell them maybe you ought to show something with a shorter amount of feeding period than cattle. You know, pigs as a rule always were four to five months. Some of them now they're showing these hogs a little bit older. So the feeding period and the breeding period has changed. The buying period has gotten earlier and earlier. In order to get good people here or get our livestock into good hands, you know, a lot a Lot of people will come and they want to pick their own. A lot of people will come for years and they trust me because my word's good and if I say it, I do it. And they say I need two bears. My county shows in January and this is our budget. And so can you, can you just pick us a gilt crossbred and a Hampshire gilt for a county because it's the only place we show. And I said, well come in tomorrow and I'll show you a couple and you may like one better than the other. They said no, you pick them, it's fine. And so I bet I sell pig wise 80% that way. And so I. The cattle Brandon Horn is where a huge percentage of these cows came from. You know, Brandon and I've been partners, friends 28 or 9 years, get along really well. And so he's got some homes far Texas, I'm far south. It's five mile hours, five hours from here. Brandon Holmes, that's a big difference. And so he'll get a handful of steers that he, that he'll take there and he'll put out in the good families or he'll sell them to. There's a lot of good families. And so he'll sell them to someone that suits him. That's his call. Colton big pen helps me with the half bloods. So I'll keep a few here and he'll take the rest of them and get them into good haunts. These Walrup boys down here, they live close to me. I've known them since they were kids. They'll come in here when they've got somebody that needs a certain steer or this or that and they'll take a few and they work hard, they're young, young men. And so that works good and then. But I sell 80% of the steers here. And so some guys, some people think, oh, they all went to Brandon, they all went here or they all went there. Well, that's not the fact. The fact is I sell 80% of them right here. And I live in south central Texas, which I'm a long way from Hereford, Texas. But you're not driving here to just look at six or eight. We've been selling about 150 steers the last five or six Falls Summers, Springs. I'm sorry. And you know, I've got 15 steers on hand. I get people that call daily wanting a steer and said, hey, we can't get one in our barn till school's out. Same thing with state fair pigs September, October, showing pigs, they won't let them bring them any school farms or in certain facilities until school's out. And so we'll have good trade. And some of it will just kick in the very end of May because they will not come until school is out. Other people that have their own facility, they have another plan and they can do what they want at an earlier time. So that's pretty much how we sell the pigs. The cattle, the pigs, of course, they are good, better feeders. They're people that try harder. Okay, there's people that will check their pigs twice a day. Some people check them three times a day. There's some people that'll put feed in a self feeder and check their pig once a week, check their water, I hope more than that, but that's probably about it. And not peeing, not saying those people cannot place and do good. But it's a little different than a kid that checks his pig every morning before school and works with him every day after school. We, we try to, we want them in good homes. And, and I'll answer my phone, you call me unless I'm tied up and then I'll call you back, try to communicate with you some form or fashion and just kind of go from there.
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Brandon Horn
Yeah, that's great customer service right there. Raising and selling the stock is one thing, but I feel like the families you get these stock into is probably just as important. So what do you look for in a family and what do you expect of them during the journey with that project?
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Rory Dell
As far as a family, you know, you know, it's important that they want to work hard and that they have a plan. You got to have a plan. Whatever you do, if we've got to write it down for them, if we got to text it to them, we'll do it. They need us to trim their hooves. We'll trim their hooves. If they need us to tell us how to feed them, we'll do it. Best of our ability times. I've got to call Brandon, get him on the horn and get, get some answers out of him or what we need to do with the Pacific steer that's doing a certain thing. Pigs, we have that covered real good. There's guys out there that are awesome in today's time. Great feeders. They can get one tuned in and get them really right. But, but we try to help them in every way from feeding to protein levels. Makes such a huge difference when you need to blast them to try to get a little more rib, a little more belly you know, it seems like you can't get enough full rib in one. And a lot of that's because they're not bred in them. You know, a lot of these, a lot of these animals, they're not born with a big full rib. They're not going to ever have one. You can feed a little more into them, long as you can get them to have a good appetite and eat good. But there are definitely families that, you know, they eat and sleep this stuff. There's families that, you know, they're involved in so much and they still do a good job. And you have to pick your priorities at time. If it's, is it more important for me to take care of these four pigs or is it more important for me to pump it up at baseball practice? And a lot of families can do both, but there are, there's history that always repeats. And, you know, some of these guys that get along and get along, get along well, they try hard and they're going to continue to get along. And so if you can get a steer, any species into their hands, it is definitely a plus.
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Colton Thigpen
So I want to talk to you now. You said these relationships, they matter. They help you. What's some good old stories that you can tell us? Maybe between you whore, you digpen, you know, whatever. I don't matter.
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Rory Dell
You know, I know you like a couple stories I'm gonna back up. Okay. Where I did learn some stuff. I had a neighbor directly across where I grew up, and he was a trader, older gentleman. He trade cow, sheep, this out, whatever. Anyway, my dad had opened me a bank account, took me down there, opened a bank account when I was about 9 or 10, I guess by the time I was 14, I could call my banker mister, I needed to borrow $3,000. He'd put it in my account and he said, you get down here and sign these papers in a few days and go from there. And so anyway, my first purchase from him was a Jersey cow that had three calves nursing on her. So I bought this cow, I might have been 11 or 12. I bought this calf for $420 and I let her across the street. The three calves followed Farmworks rope. And so I kicked them out with my dad's cows. And then when those calves got big enough to sell, I sold two of them. And I got back my 420 plus and I still had another cat to sell. So that worked out pretty good. So that was my first trade on any type of cattle. And he would, he'd also bring home goats Scare goats. A lot of people don't know what a scare goat is, but a scare goat is if you sneak up behind them. A lot of people call them Tennessee walking goats. So you sneak up behind them and you go to hollering, try to scare them, and. And they'll run about four steps, and they'll get so stiff and their muscles lock up and they'll just fall over sideways. So. But they had a lot of muscle, a lot of expression of muscle. So I would trade with this old gentleman, feed me like a champ. And so I would do some of that stuff. That's pretty good story. As we went to gathering some hogs, there's a couple of guys I met, eight breeders. One of them would be Jerry McLemore in Oklahoma. I'd never met him. Oh, it has to be 35, 40 years, 40 years ago. Anyway, I call him and I talked to him, talked to him. He raised all purebred Hampshires. No patrons had ever come in our country or maybe into the big commercial farms. And. And they did come into those farms. So anyway, I asked a couple guys said, hey, what's that guy like? What's he. What Kind of gets him going? I said, man, he's like you. He loves to drink a lot of beer. And so I figured out what kind of beer he drank. And I. I had me old single cab pickup, and I had a hog hauler on back that would fit like a camper so you could haul a lot of stocking. So I had a big cooler full of beer, mainly. And so I drive up there and I tell him who I am. This nest handed him a beer, and he had to have 10 or 12 people there. He says, come on, Rory, let me, Let. Let me. Let me show you something over here. I said, no, you finished your people? He said, oh, that. They've been here. They'll be here a minute. So he showed me a bore, too. And that time he had all pure hampshires. It's probably 80, 90 boards. That was a big part of his market, selling commercial bores, pure Red Hampshire bores. So anyway, I bought a boar and he had his pig sale. And by then is always second, third week in November. So I went to a sale and I bought every pig I could buy in my budget because we were out of pigs. And so then we just. We had homes for them, so we put them out. So Jerry didn't have a ramp. He said, how are we gonna load this hog? This Boar probably weighed 450 or so. I said, well, we'll just pick him up, I guess. And so he got on one side, I got on the other. We picked him up, put him in a box and loaded our pigs. Sun was coming up the next morning about the time I hit Austin, Texas. That was a good story of Jerry's. Great breeder, great friend. That's where like one of my real powerful show pig boards came from. More called Barracuda. And then he was the sire of Alley Cat. And so a lot of those hogs, one and one. The one time at San Antonio, Alley Cat would throw a lot of times what the sow looked like color years up or down. And so one time at San Antonio, we had breed, one year breed or reserve breed, champion of every breed except the Durocs. That was out of Alley Cat or an alley cat, son. Wow. And so that's impressive. That was a one of a kind hog. We still have frozen semen on him. I still use him a little bit. There'll be a place somewhere where maybe a little bit that can be used, maybe not. But that's a good story there for from that time on, I told Jerry, I said, man, you got to get you some loose owls or something different in here. And he could sell a fire out of them. It'd need my help for sure. And from that point on, he always had some crossbred s on. And anyway, at that time, a few years after that, Steve Cobb raised all purebred Yorkshires in Arkansas. I'd call Steve and call him all these guys. A lot of guys tell you something because they don't want you to go there. So Steve Cobb, all these guys said, man, you can't get along with him. You're not going to buy a boar, he won't sell you a boar. So I called Steve and talked to him and I said, steve, I'd like to buy one boar. Told him a budget. And I said, maybe two or three gilts. He said, yeah, that's fine. He said, you can come. And all these places that I went, I went by myself because I didn't need. I didn't need nothing dragging on. I didn't need nobody talking out of school. I didn't need nobody reaching over and turning my radio louder are lower. Okay, so. So I travel by myself anyway. So I go to Steve Cobbs, tell him who I am, tell him what all these other men said about him. Didn't tell him their names, but I told him. He said, well, that's not me. I said, well, I don't think it is either. And so anyway, I bought a boar and another boar came out. I bought him too. And I had to get him to hold a check on that one. And, and I asked him about the gilts. He said, well, he said, these are just my replacement gilts down here. And this was way before validation. So it was in 1st of December, give or take. And I said, what about those bears down there? So we looked real quick and he said, ah, but you can have any guilt in that pin. So I looked in that pen and they had a swirl, they had an extra foot, extra dew call. But they're all intensely lined red hogs. So I wasn't real concerned what they looked like. I just needed to get a couple of them. And anyway, one of his replacement gills had jumped over by three pins and was in that pin. So I pushed four gills out of that pin. He said, you have any guilt in that pen? I pushed four gilts out, pushed them toward my pickup. He said, oh, I'm sorry. He said, that's one of my replacements that came over. Four pins. I said, I get it. So I cut her out. And he said, no. I said, you could have anything that pin. You take her. So I took her anyway. Those females worked out great. The boar's name was number seven. And he did an awesome job anyway. Good people and it worked out well. Sweet, sweet.
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Brandon Horn
So what was the most pivotal, pivotal decision you made that you think created the most success in your life and how's that just influenced you so far?
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Rory Dell
Okay. Probably the biggest thing that I did, the biggest change I made was when I quit working construction full time 35 years ago and I went to running my farm. And full time, I continued to help my dad on big jobs half a day. A day, whatever he needed me, I'd continue to do that. But I put a really good farm crew together and then it got time to either take over that business or sell it. So we sold it some 30, 32, 3, 4 years ago. And. And then I was full time hog man. Few cows, still did a little construction and most all my own building. I'm almost 10. I could well pour concrete, build anything, carpet work. But learned all that from my dad. My dad always had some awesome men work for him that would teach me this, that you name it. I had buddies that would help me and they liked me. And just like a lot of my customers, reason they did business with me is because they like me and a lot of people don't like me. But that's, that's all right. I still love them. All but I say the truth. But the biggest change was when I was able to spend more time here. There were times I'd sell in 35 plus pig sales every fall, have 6 of my own sales. At times I'd sell 200 show pigs, have a few guest consignors that had other breeds than I, Kyle Stevens, Mike Clay, men like that, Weldon Walsher and my good friend Ronnie Girth. That helped me from, from time to, as a teenager on it was just a bomb. And, and I always, during that period I, I started using a few sales guys because I had so many hogs. So a man that grew up here in town was ag teacher, Houston area, did a little list and that Todd elbow, he would help, help me sell some hogs in the Houston area. So that was a big change. We'd sell hogs to the Midwest into 35, 6, 7 states because I had a couple buddies up there. We'd have a couple places where we'd send a trailer load of pigs and they'd have a week to get them picked up. That was a big change. When Brandon Horne started helping me. He covered a lot of west Texas area. He delivered anywhere he could sell as good as anybody. And he was good. Those two men were really good. I had a man, Matt Nielsen in Minnesota. We take a, he fly down here, we put a 120 head of hogs in the trailer, take him back and, and he put them out and then my man would turn around and come back. Kevin Mock. I sell some goats. He helped me through his college, college days and some years after that. And when he worked for me. He's awesome team player, got after it and I'm sure I'm missing lots of guys that helped me but, but that was a change when I had some guys because I couldn't talk to all of them once we got to a certain point. And they all brought a lot to the table. I think that's probably the biggest term. Huh. I like that.
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Brandon Horn
I just want to bring it back to the show ring for a second in, in the hog worlds. I mean, as you know, fitting and stuff in the cattle world is no stranger. What do you think about them starting to pull eggs and fit on pigs now? I kind of like see your opinion on that.
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Rory Dell
You, you know, I'd say if I had kids showing today, I'd have to think heavy on it. We still sell a lot of show pigs that are shown. You know, I, I just don't have any thoughts. I think people got to do what they got to do, you know, I don't think you're going to see me down on my knees pulling up, no hair on the pig's legs. And if we get that far that it has to be done, I don't think we're going to do it. And there'll be some guys that will always do it, do it. They'll always do anything to give them an edge. And that's what you're supposed to do when they're working hard and doing that. So it's for some people, I guess it's not for me.
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Colton Thigpen
Ain't nothing wrong with that.
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Rory Dell
Right, right. Everybody's gotta pick, pick their poison. Everybody's got different priorities, but a lot of them will get you to the end point, the same endpoint. But still it goes down to working hard, being dedicated, a part of dedication. My kids, we never fed many pigs, but there'd be a lot of times Miles and Sarah, they'd be walking those pigs 11 at night after basketball practice or after this. That way anyway, you got to work hard, you got to put some time in it, some effort in it. But it's hard for a little 10 year old kid to go out there and do it all. He's got to have a bigger sibling, a mother, father that'll help him, the whole team that'll kind of step in there now and then. Right.
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Colton Thigpen
I'm going to ask you now, there's a lot of pictures in this office of a lot of good, good hogs. I want to know which one was.
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Rory Dell
Your favorite, you know, you know, it's hard, hard to say because as the digital time came and you get these pictures on a computer, we don't have near as many on the wall as there should be, but probably one of the very best Bears, the best two Bears was in 07. Miles was a junior and he had a black frost and he wins the black crosses and wins the show. He was an awesome bear. He was out of 24, nine direct alley cat son on his mother. And then the same bear he showed. Not the same bear, the, the bear he showed same year at Houston, that was reserve grand champion cross and reserve brand blue Barrel. That's probably the best one my kids show. Times have change of the change. Some of these hogs would still be competitive. They just have to be fed a little different, maybe put a little more cover on them, feed them a little harder, feed them a little so they have a little bigger belly. You know, you can be 310 pounds today. That's pretty monster of A pig.
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Colton Thigpen
I want to ask you, what do you think we lack or needs to be improved in both the hog and cattle world today? There's, I don't, I don't want to step on toes or anything like that. I just want to know kind of what you think on the flaws in our industry.
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Rory Dell
Well, I think in the cattle world, if you wanted to go buy you 10 red heifers that were bred similar, looked alike, and were still affordable for a young person or older person, but were affordable, you know that spot, they're, they're at a handful of places, but they're not affordable. And there's not enough places where you can go and find them for one, and for two, they're just too costly for someone that wants to try to start up and get going. I know what they cost. In the last five to 10 years, I bought what I thought was some of the best American type heers, some of the best Charlay exotic heifers, and they're high. And then I have snuck a few out. And they don't have to cost a lot to be good, but your odds of finding a sleeper somewhere are pretty slim.
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Brandon Horn
Yeah, I mean, looking at online sales and stuff, it's, it's sad, it's, it's not even crazy to see sometimes calves.
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Rory Dell
Go for 100 plus. Yes.
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Brandon Horn
Do you think that that animal is just that good and it's worth every penny of that, or what do you kind of think?
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Rory Dell
You know, some people, some people, money's not an option because they have lots of it. And then you take so many that I dealt with over the years. And I always prided myself in a. Selling a high, high percentage of a litter of pigs or a high percentage of my steer crop. I wasn't ever that concerned with selling a heifer because if I cream the top 25% of the heifers, other heifers are real nice, but not many people really want them. They want, they want this donor type cow, but those are the ones I keep. But, but I sold the half blood two years ago, and I think that guy sold 110, $20, $20,000 of steers out of her this time. And she did sell for a premium, but they paid for five, six times over and on the first crop. And so how much is too much? It just kind of depends on your plan. But for someone that wants to do that, as far as the hogs, if you want to go somewhere and buy 10 or 20 crossbred gilts, you know, there's probably a handful of places, but there aren't many out there. Years ago, when I wanted to buy me 10, 20, I sold a huge percentage of my hogs as show pigs. We would keep the best females out of the best sows, best females out of the best cows. And then we could get in some of these places that raise strictly Hampshire Yorkshire Cross gilts and buy 20 of them. And we could buy them for a fair price. And then you could come back and put a black boar on. That's, that would be Hampshire boards because there were no, no patrons in the country anyway. I think that's where we need a little help for someone that wants to start out. You can go buy one guilt here, two gills here. A lot of them sell them as little pigs. You know, just because they, they say they're out of litter a 10 doesn't mean she's going to be a good female. A lot of these hogs are bred to be terminal animals. Our production has been taken out of them. Some guys raise lots of pigs, still, some guys don't.
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Brandon Horn
So to take it back to the cattle world, you just previously raised a steer. That one, Fort Worth, the American steer. How did that make you feel? Was that one of your favorite steers or do you have a favorite that you've raised?
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Rory Dell
That. That really was my favorite from the day he was born. And that was the only B10 big iron in that calf crop as far as a bull calf. And so we have a full sister to him and three or four full sisters from this time. And he was a stud from day one. Yeah, I truly thought to myself it'd be, it's going to be hard to beat this one anyway. And I know there's 13, 1400, 1500 at Fort Worth, but I've had a lot of worse odds anyway. But I did tell Brandon and Colton all along that once I win a major show with an American, I'm gonna sell my cows.
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Colton Thigpen
You don't sell your cows.
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Rory Dell
I'll sell my cows. They are for sale as we speak. So anyway, I've told Brandon that in Colton and they just haven't brought me a buyer yet. So we're working on that. There you go.
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Brandon Horn
We might need to go make a lap through a press the pastures.
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Colton Thigpen
We might have to go make a lap through the pasture here, but well, next to wrap it all up just a little bit, I mean I'd want to ask you, Rory, through your career, who were some of your biggest mentors and now how can you give advice to the people listening to find a mentor?
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Rory Dell
Okay. Some of some of my biggest mentors to start for sure. My dad, Ronnie Girth, David Kempen, Earl Kane that I met when I was a teenager. And we've come full circle and I'm partners with today on some boards and sows adeid hog Advice from Jerry McLemore. The My finances. My dad was really good with money. Ronnie Gertz was a great businessman. I would sit with them for hours and asking questions or they would pretty much just tell me. I didn't get to ask many questions to be honest. But they tell me how financing worked, how to borrow money, how to collect money. I don't go on collecting money. It's too easy to collect money. Everybody should be a member of Texas Southwest Cattle Raisers association out there. And one of the best associations, the best association I belong to. And I got a real close friend of mine, Les Broyles, my age, grew up in San Saba. Same history as me. Joan Steers real modest family growing up. But he's a banker, he's a realtor, he's a money man. He coaches me on any question I have today, yesterday and in past times. Some of it I had to learn on my own. Borrowing money. After I I bought my first house in the early 80s, 19 and a half percent interest because I had bad credit. That's a little bit pull it up. That's what it was. I mean that's 45 years ago. OXYN went to school, student loans, had a good, good job when she got out. You know cars were three year financing during that period they went to five year financing but interest rate on vehicles back then were 14, 16%. And so the first farm I bought is, is my pig farm here. And I bought it 32 years ago and it was in the state and the family owner financed it to me at a low, low interest rate. And that's where on the other ends I saw how high interest could be. But on this end I could see how much you could save by getting a low interest rate. And so world of difference interest each plum up. We always try to live in our means and don't go off of any more barred money than you have to and especially high interest loans. But I've got a lot of mentors. Brandon Horne mentored me on lots of this cattle stuff nowadays. Cattle stuff, what to do, what not to do. He's been a great friend and we've been great partners. Never had a crossword all these years and that we will. You know, I had several great high school football coaches that Were great mentors. Still see them today. Coach Coach Simmons, Coach Shredy from New Braunfels High School. Those guys, they would keep a guy like me as a young age straight and wanted to play. Had to kind of walk the line. So, you know, I know I'm missing half of them, more than half of them. But if someone would give me their time, I listened. I listen to them today. If they're 10 years old or 80 years old, there's something always be learned somewhere. And at times when I was working on a facility, a new fairing house, how to build a nursery, and I built most all of those things myself. And with men, I have very talented men. The being able to build our own stuff. We built it for 30 cents on a dollar, and that makes a big difference. But those handful of men, they sure kept me straight, taught me right from wrong. All good livestock people, but all good people, period. And that's bottom line. Yeah.
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Brandon Horn
No matter how young, how old, what you're doing, no matter what it is, you can always learn something.
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Rory Dell
That is no doubt how many times people will turn around and walk away from somebody right when they're trying to tell them something and they're missing out. Absolutely.
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Brandon Horn
So since we're talking about all these people, I'd like to know how you meeting Horn, Dick, Pin Cromwell, How'd that lead to us now sitting in a room with you and Peewee because he.
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Colton Thigpen
Kind of gave me a little brief.
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Brandon Horn
Summary of y' all first time meeting. So I want to hear that story from you.
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Rory Dell
Well, you know, first time we met, was it Brandon's? But you know, I'm not 100% how I said it, so he may have to remind me. But, you know, meeting Brandon some 28, nine years ago, he, you know, we just hooked up automatic and there it was. And then Colton, I called him one time and told him who I was. And he said, he said, are you Rory Orange?
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Brandon Horn
Rory?
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Rory Dell
I said, yeah, Rory. Rory D. He said, man, man, I've been wanting to talk to you. I said, well, get talking. What were you talking about? Anyway, we just visited a little backing in. So we get along good, Horn. We get along good. You know, Rent Cromwell, he got a lot of hustle in him. He goes fast. He got a big. He got a big motor in him. He goes and goes. He's a good stockman, good businessman. We get along real, real good. But, you know, I get along good with most people, you know, that's. That's kind of where that is.
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Colton Thigpen
So now we're Going to try to wrap this up a little bit.
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Rory Dell
Tell me, tell me. Remind me of that. Yeah, but. Yeah, but I need. You need to refresh me.
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Colton Thigpen
It was Jagger's graduation. It was Jagger's graduation party. You were over there standing beside Horn, and Thigpen walks up and says, I got a young buck over here that needs a talking to.
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Rory Dell
Yeah.
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Colton Thigpen
You looked at me and you said, you're skinny, bro. You need to learn how to fight. He told me how to throw, punch them and kick him in the nuts.
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Rory Dell
And yeah, it was bad. Yeah. Yeah.
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Colton Thigpen
No, no, no.
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Rory Dell
Yeah.
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Brandon Horn
Well, you think you put on any weight since then or what?
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Rory Dell
Only he's got a rock in each of one of his pockets.
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Colton Thigpen
Well, now I want to ask you. We can help you out. A favorite quote of yours that you.
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Rory Dell
Like to go by.
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Colton Thigpen
Got it written down.
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Rory Dell
I've always had this similar thought in my mind, and I still do today. But this. This defines me and my thoughts as a young person to being an old person, older person. I'm gonna live another 40 years. Get ready. But anyway. Defend the weak and the fatherless. Uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. I can't say that's my favorite, but it's one that comes to heart. That's me.
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Colton Thigpen
That's you.
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Rory Dell
I just. I just. Man, that's just unacceptable. Yeah. To do that to someone. I. I don't say I don't want to. Pub. You know, I don't know how many people in the winter. A lot of women seem to buy from our show. I'll take them to Salvation army women's shelter, buying breakfast. Buy them this. Try to get them somewhere. But there's somebody that'll help you if you accept the help. You know, some people are too proud. They'll freeze your ass off and starve to death. There's. There's help. Poor people, you know, this net. So any. Anyway, there's something we miss, something we need to put in there. Whatever you think.
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Colton Thigpen
What empowers you to be better than you were yesterday? That's what I want to know.
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Rory Dell
Okay. What makes me want to be better than I was yesterday? It is. You know, I look forward. I pray every morning through the day. I want things to be better for myself. I. I get wound up at times. Father died of a heart attack at 61. My grandfather died at 48. So as of today, I'm the longest living down in six generations. Ale. And we haven't had a downborn, a male born in five and a half years. Miles will Have a son this summer. So we're going to have us a down.
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Colton Thigpen
Heck, yeah.
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Rory Dell
Awesome. And so that'll be good.
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Colton Thigpen
Awesome.
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Rory Dell
And my daughter has two kids, and so there's four and six. And so we try to move forward and they share. Make you young. My wife, she goes 100 miles an hour still. And I've been married 43 years come middle of May, the same woman. And you know, I've got a lot of outlaw in me. I was raised that way, and that's nothing new. I've just tried to stay a little more out of sight. And if I'm out of sight, maybe I'm out of mind. Makes me a little bit better guy. You know, I do got a good store on horn. We need to add in there somewhere. Let me tell you what it is real quick. So anyway, Aaron, she won every major show you can win. Okay. Who? My daughter?
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Colton Thigpen
Yeah.
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Rory Dell
Okay. And I think Miles won three randoms are certainly ran every time. But sarin looked the same from third grade time. She's five years old till five till today, 34 years old. She cut her air coolers just like she did. And. And, you know, boys change a lot more. Young men change. But anyway, so she had won Houston, like in 05, let's say. But any. Anyway, the year don't matter. So she said, I want to steer. I'm a show steer. She done on Fort Worth, and she had won Houston. She won Dallas. Yeah, she just. Just. But anyway, I got a story on horn because he brought us a calf for Sarah to show. And anyway, I'll tell you the story if you want to hear it. It's worth hearing.
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Colton Thigpen
Let's hear it. Let's hear it.
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Rory Dell
You ready? Yeah. Okay. So anyway, Aaron had won about three of the big market bearer shows, and she decided she wanted to show steer. So I. I tell Brandon. That's Brandon. I said, bring me a steer for sarin. I said, will you show it? Houston. Target Houston. But we got to do good. And if we can't do good, don't break one. So anyway, he drops one off at my mother's. We still have cow pens there. When I was a kid and I was at the farm. So he said, hey, hey. He called me. He's on his way to Corpus. He said, take a look at that steer. See what you're thinking. So I went and looked, and he was a red Angus. So I called him. I said, hey, man, looks good. Good. But what about. What about this red Angus deal? He said, man, he classes. He's Winning the show, winning debris. And I said, if. I said, that's a big word, man. I said, you know, I don't need that kind of bullshit. And he said, he said, what do you want to do? I said, well, I said, you need to pick him up. I'm not going to go through a whole year that stuff. Just coincidentally, he had a customer in Corpus and her daughter steer had broke a leg just right then and there, give or take. And she was a senior. So he had told me about that. I said, why don't you take that steer, that family? And he did. And sure enough, he was free champion at Easter. But that's good. She was a senior. We had a lot of years yet. So that was a start and end of our show steer showing about two days. That was good on him. I think if there's one other one, you keep them cut. What about big pin?
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Colton Thigpen
You know, you gotta have something good on.
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Rory Dell
Think 10. I don't know if I got one. I can. I don't think I got one. Calling off. I said, yeah. I said, yeah, my little egg. Just a ass egg. Oh, I did did ask him, you on. I said, hey, when you figure out use a big Aggie football player. He said, well, when I looked at the name on the locker next to mine and it said Von Miller. I said, well, that. That sounds like that. That's a winner right there. Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, that's. I don't got too much mud on him. He crazy go out there. I guess he's a sweetwater.
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Colton Thigpen
How about them weather updates?
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Rory Dell
Yeah, but yeah, he's good. Some of them guys say, hey, how long you get? How you get along with Colton? I said, good. They said, man, guy's hard to read. I said, I said, I ain't got no problem. And they said, you ever get on your ass about this? I said, never. Anyway, hey, it's pretty easy. Look. And then guys that give you some. That red button we all got, you just push that, you hang on say, and that's a. Or two or next day you talk to man, I dropped off a hill or something. I don't know what the happened, man. Just roll on.
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Colton Thigpen
It's real long.
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Rory Dell
Yeah. But anyway, that was good. That short. It was good. All right.
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Colton Thigpen
I'm gonna end it.
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Rory Dell
Yeah, end it. Hope we covered enough. We did. Oh, he did. There you go. All right.
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Colton Thigpen
This is gonna be the last episode of season four on Empower.
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Rory Dell
You make sure to check out our.
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Weston Hendricks
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Colton Thigpen
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Colton Thigpen
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Weston Hendricks
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