Luke (5:56)

So now did you coach it Blackhawk.

Jared Boyer (5:59)

For a little while? I did, yep. So when I graduated, I went to Blackhawk for two years. I went to Western for two years and I graduated. I actually went back to Kate's Farms in Indiana and I worked there for two years. And Dan Hogue called me. And my coach at the time, Brian Arnold, was going to take. I think he actually. I think at that time he went to the nsr and Dan asked if I would come back. And so I got the opportunity to go back. And I was at Blackhawk for four years. And I was trying to think of the other day when that would have been, but I think it was.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (6:47)

I.

Jared Boyer (6:48)

Want to say, like 2012-16, somewhere in that range. So I got the opportunity to coach really three teams. And then the, the fourth team we started, but I, we. I didn't finish with them.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (7:05)

Interesting. And so I guess more what I want to get out of that question is maybe what are some of the bigoted advice that you can offer me and Luke or some other kids that are in college and judging from a coach's mindset, to prepare us for a collegiate livestock judging career or more so, you know, preparation for sophomore year.

Jared Boyer (7:32)

That, I mean, it's, that's, that's a tough question. I, and I can think back to when I was at Blackhawk as a student myself. And the one thing I would tell you is I'm a very competitive person. And so even when I was in school, in high school, like, I never had the, the best grades. I kind of floated through high school a little bit, as you might say, and I had a very good team and I enjoyed my team when I was there. And a lot of very smart individuals and they academically were very proud of their academics and that type of stuff. And I just remember my competitiveness probably kicked in a little bit. And you know, whether it was, you know, and it kind of transpired from a lot of things, you know, it really doesn't matter. Whatever you're doing, you know, you want to be competitive. And I just remember, like, all through my college career, my grades actually got better as I went through college just because they were, they were smart and they tried and they applied themselves. And so I tried and I applied myself. You know, I remember when I graduated college, my mom was like, man, she's like, we're so proud of you. We didn't even think you were going to graduate high school. You know, And I did that with judging. You know, there were, we had a good team and there was a lot of really talented kids. And so I think we kind of fed off each other. And that was one thing that made us competitive. One thing I would tell you too. And then like when I went back to coach and I didn't teach a lot of classes, but I taught some. And you know, some of the students that I taught when I was there, I taught like the ag production classes. So like two year applied science classes. And even to this day I have a lot more respect and they've done a lot more, you know, the, the students that showed up went to class and, and I'm not necessarily saying they were the, the most academically prime students whatsoever, but they showed up and to Me, that was one thing. You know, whatever you're doing, whether it's judging or whether it's, you know, class or whatnot, just showing up and being accountable. You know, it's. It's interesting to me because a lot of those kids that continuously showed up, they're doing really good stuff right now, and I enjoy running into them from time to time when they, you know, I see them out at maybe a show or just in passing or whatnot. And some of them, you know, stayed in ag. Some of them are doing other things. But still, maybe their second priority is, you know, show pigs or sheep or cattle or whatnot. But I can honestly say those students that continually came to class and just applied themselves, I think they're in a lot better place at this point, too.

Luke (11:11)

Absolutely. That definitely, definitely makes a lot of sense. So now, kind of before we really jump into the big, heavy catt side of this episode, I seen y'. All, your side of the family, specifically owns a big greenhouse business, and it seems pretty insane. So do you want to kind of run us through some of that, maybe explain a bit of that?

Jared Boyer (11:28)

Yeah. So my mom and dad, they. They started it, and like I said, in the mid-80s, they actually just had their 40th anniversary last week. They had kind of an open house for that, but they. They started their greenhouse. And I would say this before we go further is a lot of growing up and seeing my parents do how they applied to their business is a lot what we do try to today. And I learned a lot from them from that standpoint of stuff. But they are a retail facility, and they both grew up in horticulture. My dad's parents, they actually grew tomatoes. For a long time it was called Boyert and Sons, and then they switched to wholesale kind of flowers where they would provide for growers, they'd be growers for other operations. And even at that point, my family kind of bought from them to bring back to their retail facilities. So. And then my mom's family, they kind of had a small greenhouse, did a lot of produce as well. And so they grew up a mile apart from each other in Cuyahoga county in Ohio, which would be north northeast Ohio, just really, honestly, just a little bit south of Cleveland.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (13:05)

And.

Jared Boyer (13:06)

And so they moved there and they started their business in Seville, Ohio, like I said, in the. In the mid-80s. And it was neat to watch it as a. As a kid, and you probably didn't appreciate it as much, but looking back now, they took a lot of risk in terms of just Growth. And now, you know, I think they told us three, four years ago that they were going to retire. And I think since they said they were going to retire, I think they built five or six more greenhouses since then. So I don't think it's really ain't slowing down much. They will never retire, let's just put it that way.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (13:48)

That's awesome.

Jared Boyer (13:50)

And it's, and it's awesome because, you know, the same way we look at cattle, you know, you have a crop and you, every year, you know, you're always like, next year is going to be great and this and that and you know, the same thing. You know, you go home and my parent, my dad especially, you know, he'll talk about like, man, that stuff looks awesome in the greenhouses. It looks great. You know, and that is one thing that has always stuck with me is just, you know, the pride in what you do, you know, no matter what it is, you know, take pride in your work. And so it's, it's interesting. It's, it's. I'll tell you this, if you've never been there, every once in a while we'll go home in the springtime and I'll put up some Snapchats and stuff because people ask me all the time, you know, what's it like? And it's really, you, you really can't imagine what it's like. It's, they've grown it so much and it's clean and it's, you know, everything that they've done, I think is with customer satisfaction in mind. And, you know, the interesting thing about them is they've had some people that have worked for them for, you know, a really, really long time. And even as we kind of. As for myself, as I went through high school, you know, some of those that worked for him for 30 years, you know, had kind of passed away and that kind of stuff. But they've always made it, I think, a very family, local oriented business. And it is, it's actually, it's if, if you ever get the chance and you're ever in Northeast Ohio, it is definitely worth stopping by because it's, it's pretty, a tremendous thing. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (15:48)

Real quick, you'd mentioned earlier you had mainly showed shorthorns. Did y' all have any other breeds or mainly just, you know, starting breeding off short horns and then progressing from there when coming to growing the operation.

Jared Boyer (16:09)

Say that one more time.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (16:11)

So you mainly started off showing shorthorns and when y' all started growing the operation. Is that what y' all strictly started with, or did you kind of gather some different breeds together to progress the operation.

Jared Boyer (16:25)

When we started. So actually, like, I think I'm trying to remember. So that first year, my dad bought two steers for my brother and sister. I wasn't old enough. I wasn't in 4H yet. And bought a steer and a heifer or two steers for my older brother and sister. And they showed them at the county fair. And he bought me a heifer that I showed in the open show at our county fair. And that was. That was. Yeah, that was our first year kind of showing. And then there's a May Anonymous. Yeah, I forget. Like a newspaper kind of covers kind of, I think Ohio in Pennsylvania, maybe Indiana. It's called, like the Dairyman. It was a. It was a pretty. Is an ag. Very much ag newspaper. And there was a advertisement in there for Kate's farm sale. And my dad, we. He went to the sale and we didn't really know it at the time. We. I. I didn't even know it. I just. I just remember him coming home. He bought a shorthorn steer in a cow calf pair. And I got to show the heifer calf on that cow. And I want to say that was like 1995. And then he didn't tell us, but they sold pick of. At that time, Tyler Cates was still showing and they sold pick of his showstring. And I know Fred. Fred Rip Burger ended up buying the pick. My dad talked to him afterwards and asked him if he could buy the other one. And so he didn't tell us that till later that fall. I think maybe after Louisville. I think it was actually around Christmas time when he told us that. And so that's how we kind of got hooked up with cases was a newspaper article. And that was 95. And I want to say probably, I mean, because I worked there for two years after that. So probably till like 2012, I would say. We showed all of our cattle came from Cates's throughout those years. And I mean, hey, when we started, we had no idea what we were doing. I remember that pair that we bought, the heifer calf. I clipped her one time. And my dad was gonna come home to Clipper, which, I mean, at that time he didn't really know much either. But I got tired of him waiting, waiting on him to come home. So I just clipped her. And I mean, I was young and I don't think I showed her until later that springtime because I Pretty much had sheared her back. But so it took us a long time. And honestly, even through my whole career, I didn't win a whole lot. I would say the most winning I did was my last year of showing. I had reserve bread. Known at Junior Nationals that. That was probably my highlight of my. My show career. And I. My younger brother Jake, you know, he. He did a little better. And honestly, you know, of my two brothers, that kind of. We do the cattle with, you know, Jake showed. I wouldn't say he showed as much as probably. And neither myself or Jake probably showed as much as Clayton, the. He and Clayton's the youngest, you know, and as we got to that kind of point, you know, end of Clayton's career, he started to show a few more different breeds. That's kind of when he showed some shorthorns and even some pluses. And honestly, when I was showing, it wasn't. You didn't go to three, four Junior Nationals in the summertime, you know, you had, like, one breed. You went to that one Junior Nationals, and that was kind of it. And it was really unheard of that one family would go to three or four different Junior Nationals. And as that kind of started, you know, Clayton, he probably showed a few more. I would say better cattle, and, I don't know better, but we kind of knew a little bit more what we were doing, and that helped. But, you know, so Clayton, he ended up. I mean, he had a very successful career at the end of his show career. And we. Even when he was. I coached his team at Blackhawk, and we messed around one year with some pigs. We. I asked him, you know, hey, let's show some guilts at Pork Expo. And our plan was we'd buy them and show them, and then we would sell them in those sales. And that first year, we did it, you know, Clayton, he had Champion Crossbred Guild at Pork Expo, and then he had, I want to say, third overall Purebred Guilt with a durock. And we sold them, and it went awesome. And we thought, hell, this is easy. We're gonna do it again. The next year, it didn't go quite as good, but the first year it was awesome. And, you know, it was. And so I. We just. I would say, like, as a family, we enjoyed showing livestock. And, I mean, when we showed back in our county fair days, I mean, we showed. We showed sheep, we showed pigs, we showed cattle. My mom and dad, I hated it, but we showed. We even showed meat. Chickens and turkeys.

Luke (22:38)

Oh, wow, look at everything.

Jared Boyer (22:40)

We showed Everything but our county fair premium auction was awesome. I mean, you'd buy like your chickens for 2 bucks a piece. You'd have about $5 to feed them, and they bring like 800 bucks. So that's why we always.

Luke (22:54)

It's a good investment.

Jared Boyer (22:55)

Yeah.

Luke (22:58)

So now kind of jumping ahead now you. You get married to your wife, Bailey, and y', all, I guess y' all kind of combined operations and made boy core cattle, right?

Jared Boyer (23:06)

Yep.

Luke (23:06)

So how do y' all kind of run that operation and kind of get that going to where the size and mass that it is now?

Jared Boyer (23:17)

Honestly, the whole thing is we've never really sat down and just like, hey, what's this? Or what's this look like? And I think the biggest thing was always just, you know, when. When I first moved out here, when I was at Blackhawk, I bought eight heifers. I took out a loan and I bought eight heifers from Horsley Brothers, which is just right outside of Kewaunee, Illinois. And they were primarily Angus based. There was maybe a couple percent semis. And I think I peeled off like two or three of those and I sold them. That was about the first year we had a sale. I sold two or three of them to kind of help pay for that group. And at that time we were probably buying a few more other breeds. And I had. I bought in the Charolay cow from Birches in Illinois. And I really had. And I don't know why, but I'd always really enjoyed the Charlay cattle. I just. I always liked them as cattle and cows. And, um. And so that was. That was. The first charolais that we bought was from Birchies. And I was still at Blackhawk at the time. We were having a sale. My oldest brother or my younger brother that right behind me, Jake. You know, the first two years Clayton was still in college, the first two years, Jake would come to Iowa and get the sail cattle ready because I was still teaching and coaching. And at that point after the second year, it was kind of either I was going to hire somebody to take care of my stuff or just move back. And I just. It took a lot. I actually had interviewed for a few positions. I think I went. Interviewed maybe with Vita firm and had an opportunity to take a position there. And I just told myself that if this was something that I really, really wanted to do, even if I failed, I was going to do it. And so I ended up. Like I said, I think I want to say it was 14. No, it was 16, 20, 16. That's when I ended up moving to Iowa and started full time. And so we didn't have a lot of cows. My in laws were kind of in a transition phase. You know, Bailey was done showing and her younger sister Kennedy was still showing a little bit. And they had probably focused a little bit more on their kids show careers at that time. So they didn't have a ton of cows. A lot of the ground that they had was probably. Some of it was crop ground that they had rented out. And when I moved back, you know, Bailey and I had eight cows and, you know, we really started to grow all that. You know, I was fortunate enough, my in laws, they took some of that crop ground that really was probably pasture ground. We put it back into pasture, we started running more cows. And then, you know, again, and I tell people this all the time, and I don't mean this in a. I not. And I don't want to say this in a, in a bragging way, but like that first year when I moved home, I mean, you're, you're obviously nervous, right? You know, you don't. You're not collecting a paycheck anymore. You know, you have to make your own income. And I started my steer sale that year. That was2016. And we, Bailey and I, well, I was still living by myself at that time in town. And Mark Hogue, who is my coach at Western, he called it the A frame because it was a tiny little house.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (27:40)

He said it looked like a little.

Jared Boyer (27:41)

A frame hog house. I had a Chevy Malibu that had close to 2,200,000 miles on it. And the night of my steer sale, I had $953 to my name and, and my steer sale went good, and then we had that heifer sale. But I mean, I, I remember, you know, like that first night just being like, man, I don't know how I'm gonna make this work. You know, I, I was, I was pretty nervous. And you know, you just, you just kind of keep plugging along and you keep trying to make things work and you, you know, I always tell anybody that asks my advice. You know, you just always try to make cash flow, whatever you're doing. And so, you know, at that time, you know, I started this deer sale, and then we had our heifer sale, and then we started a bread heifer sale, and then we started raising more Fallborns. And so throughout the year, you know, our goal was to continuously have something to offer to the public to sell. And that was one thing that probably really helped me get through a lot of that. And, you know, you add a couple embryo sales in or you try to, you know, raise a bull or something like that, and that was one thing. And you know, hey, sometimes the decisions you make financially are weighing on you and it's a struggle, you know, whether you're buying ground or you're buying cows or whatever you're doing. But the biggest thing I think that we really tried to do with whether it was my brothers is, you know, before we made any financial investment into anything, we tried to have a plan of how are we going to pay for that, you know. You know, how are you going to make money with that investment that you're talking about? And that, that was probably one thing. I'll be honest. My brother Jake, he's really very thorough in his thought process of all that, and I probably taken a lot of that away from him. Clayton and I are more like, yep, sounds good. Like, let's do it, you know, you know, jump in the dot, you know, the deep end. And Jake's more like, hey, let's, let's think about. And it's a good blend of personalities because, you know, like I said, without them and, and like I said, my, my in laws were very supportive, you know, from the beginning. I think, you know, they were excited. Obviously their daughter was, you know, gonna stay around the area and that I came back and, you know, know to help them, you know, keep their family operation. And you know, the thing about my in laws is like my father in law, Mark, his brother Phil, who passed away, but they raised some really nice Maine cattle through the 90s. And you know, like I said, they were at a point where their, their operation was probably more focused on their kids just showing. And so when I kind of came back, you know, for the first couple years was kind of helping them a little bit with their cows. And like I said, we went from eight to. I don't even know anymore. We kind of lose track sometimes, but it's, it's grown quite a bit. And I think the biggest thing that we've always kind of tried to keep in perspective of things is just like every decision that you, you make. And hey, we've made a lot of decisions that didn't work too. You kind of live with it and you roll up your sleeves and you kind of just keep moving along, but we work at it every day and we try to make it as, as good as possible. And biggest thing is too. And I've told a lot of people like this, you know, I've got a neighbor that his kids kind of, they just finished their show career at the state fair this year and we helped them a lot and he's helped us a lot and he's a lineman and so he's very good with electrician stuff and so he comes and helps us a lot on doing some things. And so we've tried to really surround ourselves with some people that are supportive of what we're trying to do and in return, you know, we try to support them as much as we can too.

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Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (35:22)

Well, and you'd said earlier that the Charolay cows was pretty much just a direct passion for you. I've heard from several people that Annie Lucal has been a huge impact for you. Can you elaborate or elaborate on her for me? Maybe the background on her, where you found her and how she's helped you develop some of your obvious best progeny.

Jared Boyer (35:47)

Yeah. So she originated from Plum Creek in Iowa and I think I was still at Blackhawk. I went up there and looked at her and I told Deb that there was a really nice Angus heifer and Deb went up there and Mark and Deb ended up buying her and my sister in law Kennedy showed her and she, she, they showed her. I want to say they showed her as a commercial a couple times. She maybe won the Angus at the state fair, was maybe fifth overall. She didn't really have a great big heifer career but she was always pretty out there for an Angus and I mean that's a hard breed to show anyways. Yeah. And so they had. It's been a while now because I mean she, she'd have been a, she'd have been a 2014 and I can't remember exactly but there was a couple Angus that we sold early and then here in recent years they had those, they were gronk any loose and I'm. This is gonna, I'm gonna struggle to remember the, the date of those but there was two of those and one of them Dave Locke bought with Wade Rogers and then the other one the Op family and Fred Brittberger and Indiana bought and I want to say the one, the first one, the one day block bought, she raised the steer on Nolan Ferguson's sale for like 150. He was a. Here I am. And then Dave Locke sold one for 20 something on his sale. Then that next year the ah family, the Flushmate sister, she raised one that we took back and put on our sale last year and he was actually the champion steer at Ohio State Fair this year. And so that cow has done a really nice job. There's a, there's a really nice set of main Angus heifer calves this year that will sell out of that cow. But you know Angus Simmentals Jared Arthur, his son Kelton showed a next level percent semi out of her that won the percent semi Junior Nationals. And so the cow's done a really nice job through multiple breeds. But yeah, she's definitely been something for us that has been very successful. Huh?

Luke (38:51)

That's nice. So now I want to know some of maybe y' all some of yalls favorite matings versus maybe some of yalls most successful matings. Or maybe just some of y' all most proven genetics in general. Too much?

Jared Boyer (39:07)

No, I. I would say. I mean, there's a couple things that probably came to mind. You know, obviously, you know, we just talked about the Annie Luke, how she's been very successful. The other one that comes to mind pretty easily is the 7311 Charlay. That would been the mother of Avery Sweeney's heifer. That was supreme in the open show at Louisville last year and fourth overall in the Junior show and won the Iowa State Fair. You know, that one a couple years prior to that. Carter Hogue. What a show to bread known out of her that won the bread knowns at Junior Nationals and then won the own show at Junior Nationals. She was reserved at Louisville and the supreme show. You know, that cow has been successful. The 701 Hereford cow. We have one Hereford cow. She's been awesome. She raised the lemonader heifer that won Kansas City, Louisville and Oklahoma City. Harwood showed one that was reserved at Oklahoma City. Avery Sweeney showing one this year. That is really nice. And Wonder division at Junior Nationals. And I don't put a lot of Hereford embryos in just because I don't have a huge clientele for Herefords. But that cow continually, you know, she's been. She's done her job, I would say, pretty successfully. But the biggest one, I would say for my brothers and I would be in the cow that probably really propelled us, the Tammy cow. She was probably. Realistically, what made all of this possible for us. And I know you guys can see, but like the picture right there in the background. We had a friend of ours that painted that picture for us and that cow for us. She was. She owes us nothing. And I've had several people that tried to buy her, and we. I just said no, and I bought her. When I was in. I was coaching at Blackhawk. We actually were going up to South Dakota State to judge the steers from their state fair. And we stopped at Sullivan's and she was on their pasture. So I think it was one of last year's other pasture sale And I looked at her twice and I bought her. I still remember Josh Elder was doing the foam bid off, and he told me I had to be 3, 500. And I was just like, man, that I'm done. Like, this is it. Put me in one more time. I can't do anymore. And I ended up buying her for 3,500. And actually Bailey showed her she was reserve at Iowa Beef Expo and reserve key at Louisville as a big bread. And after she did well at Iowa Beef Expo that year, John Sullivan, he sent me a. It was like a fake bill that said I still owe the money for this heifer that I bought too cheap. But I had a couple people ask me when Bailey was showing her if I would sell her. And they all joked with me and said, you know, that be a pretty nice down payment on a ring and this and that. I just said, nah, honestly, I bought her for a cow and I'm gonna keep her. And she raised a lot of really, really nice stuff. And I would say the neat thing about her is a lot of those daughters are doing really well for us. And I would say even if you looked at our heifer sale this fall, there's probably five or six daughters and those cattle look really, really nice right now. We haven't clipped much of them yet, but some of those, I think, will be some of the highlights. There was one of those that raised a couple steers. Some of the broker daughters we've kind of flushed. Here I am. And they've raised some really nice steers for us. And so that cow for us over the years, I mean, she was 2013. We've kind of slowed down, obviously, on flushing her. She's 12 now. But, you know, my brother's actually had one of those, a direct daughter of those at their house. And it's just, it's kind of crazy when you look back and you're like, man, that. That mating's almost 12 years old, but they're still really nice, you know, So I. I would say if you had an all time favorite, it would be her for sure. Just because, I mean, she's probably done as much as anything for us as an operation. That's awesome.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (44:30)

Now that we've talked about maybe some of your more substantial females, I want to ask you, it's obvious that, you know, your operation promotes a ton of big time promo bulls, and the warrior bulls have raised tons of show cattle and a lot of variety of breeds. I'd like to know maybe how y' all manage to keep up with that personally though, I think one of my favorites is white snake. I've never seen him in person, but I've seen multiple pictures of him and I've fallen in love with it. But I would love to come up there one day and check him out. Me and Luke have a cow that we own together. We thinking about probably flush and hurt a white snake. She's a char influence exotic cow. That's pretty sweet. But that's one of my favorites. Just me having talking. But yeah, talk to us maybe about some of yalls promo bulls.

Jared Boyer (45:26)

So for us I think and obviously there's, you know, there's a lot probably, I would say more people that probably do it on a larger scale. I think the biggest thing for us is we were getting enough cows and it was to the point where if we were gonna buy some bulls and hey, we bought bulls too, that just didn't work. But if we were gonna buy some bulls, we were gonna. It was kind of, I guess in the beginning was probably like, hey, we like the bull. You know, we can utilize him, we can breed cows to him, we can flush cows to him and then we can run them behind cows. And so that's kind of what started it. I'll be honest with you. When we first kind of went down that path, I was probably. My wife was still had a full time job at that point and it was getting to the point where I wasn't doing a very good job of keeping track of things or getting back to people if they wanted semen or this or that or getting things shipped or just any of the. The day to day stuff that you should be doing to be successful at that. I was terrible. So Bailey actually, when she initially came home to the farm, I told her that was one thing that we really needed help on. And she's kind of completely taken that over. And it's awesome because. And it's not that, it's not that, you know, you sometimes, you know, I'm always outside and so people might text you and say hey, can I get some of this? Or can I get some of that? And you're like, yep, sounds good. Well, that might be at like noon. And by the time you get in there that evening, the last thing you're thinking about is something like that. And so you forget about it. And then they'll text you three days later. And so I've just kind of gotten to the point now where I'm just like, hey, here's Bailey's number. Text her, she will take care of you. And, and I don't mean that in. I don't have time for you. It's just more or less like I'm probably going to forget. And so she's done a tremendous job of kind of taking that over. You know, I would say the first bull that we probably had any ounce of credibility on was outsider. And we bought him from the Thomas ranch after their dispersal. And that bull for us, I would say on the Charolais side of things, he really changed a lot. I would say he was probably a breed changer in that breed. And then we raised the sun called Outlier. That's been very successful for us. And then probably a couple years after that, we had two bulls next level and one for all that same year. And we bought next level from Beatles Baco Ranch in South Dakota. And we actually, my in laws actually raised one for all. And he was young. He was like a May, beginning of May end April calf. But he was always really nice. And Blaine Rogers ended up buying part of one for all. And those two bulls for the last two or three years, they've been very, very successful for us. And last year, you know, I don't have any progeny out of the I, I probably base a little bit more successfulness on those bulls as what they produce. And so some of the younger bulls, I don't have a huge amount, but I would say 100% of my charolay calf crop next year will be white snakes. And we raise that bull. And I'll be honest, that calving season, for whatever reason we were, I think we were 40%. Bailey and I in Iowa were 40% wrong on our sexed IVF matings. And they were all supposed to be heifers. And I mean, we just kept getting bull after bull after bull. And I mean, it was, it was getting frustrating. And you're just, you know, and I mean, honestly, I mean, it was, it for me, it was a, it was really stressful because it was just like every time you'd go to tag a calf, you're like a man kidding me. You know, I mean, obviously our, our main focus is making females and we just kept getting a lot of wrong sexes. And that bull, he was supposed to be a heifer. And you know, when he was a calf, I actually, throughout his whole life, I'd taken several Snapchat videos of him. But when he was a calf, you were just kind of like, yeah, he's, he's just okay, he's a nice Charolais bull. And then you kind of started to notice him a little bit, and you're like, yeah, he's pretty nice. If he's good enough here, he's this or that. And I remember one of the first people that had seen him was Jake Bloomberg. And he came by that summer, and we just went and looked at calves, and, you know, he said, man, that bull's really nice. And I said, yeah, you know, I like him. You know, I'm always pretty optimistic because by the time you wean them and by the time you break them and you put them on feed and this and that, a lot of times it just seems like the turnout rate on some of those bulls is pretty minimal. And so you don't want to get too pumped on one. But he just kind of kept getting better and kept getting better and kept getting better. And when we weaned him, it was kind of like, all right, you know, we. We got something here. And we. We ended up getting him pictured. And we sold them on embryos on snow, and Jim Bowling's now our partner on him. But, you know, even this spring, we took him, he made semen, and we brought him home and we ran them on our Charlotte cows. And again, like, he just. He continues to look better throughout his whole life, and. And just as he matures, I have a lot of hopes for that bull. And I think, you know, obviously, I hope he is not another piece within our charolais operation, but he's. I. He is something else to. Look, I told someone this the other day. I hope he's. And I've had some of these as females where they're so. You love them so much and they're phenotypically so great, but, you know, like, we have a limb, a limousine cow here that was an incredible show heifer, but has never raised a thing, you know, and so I. I told someone the other day, you know, I. I hope he's not one of those that you just. You like so much phenotypically that they don't raise anything. But I got a lot of faith in his mother. His mother's an awesome charolay cow, and. And the sire him was, you know, was very nice, too. So I'm really hoping that bull does us some good. And I guess we'll know more when we start Kevin, some of those out next spring.

Luke (53:31)

Yeah, absolutely. I think he could definitely be a unique piece in a bunch of different operations. So now I also see him another program y' all do as, like, a pregnant reset programmer.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (53:39)

Right.

Luke (53:41)

So you want to kind of explain some of that maybe expand on it and kind of what gave youall the inspiration behind it to start it.

Jared Boyer (53:50)

Like we talked a little about earlier, is when you buy things, you how do you pay for them? That, that was probably the biggest thing on that aspect of what we do. So a mile from where I live, there was. It was actually, it was an old organic dairy that was. It was all seeded down to grass. They did a lot of rotational grazing on it. And I think it was 290 acres. It was a mile from our house. We were getting to the point where we were kind of maxed out on some of our past year. Were obviously in the Midwest. And so crop production is a huge part of agriculture. And so find pasture to grow was challenging. And so I talked to my brothers. We had heard that. I had heard that place was coming up for sale. I talked to my brothers and said, hey, you know, this is a mile from our house. I think, you know, if we want to continue to grow, I think this is something, you know, and at that time, we were really wanting to grow, I would say, like our fall calving herd. We were maybe raising a third of what we were selling, and the other 2/3 we were going and getting from other people. And so we really wanted to develop a fall calving herd. And so we needed some more pasture ground. And then it was. It was kind of set up to where there was a big feeding pad and we could kind of do something like that. So my brothers and I, we bought that piece of ground. They bought half, and I, Bailey and I bought half. And one of the biggest things was, you know, how do we grow? How do we pay for this? And so that's kind of when we started. So we, I think the first year we bought 180 commercial open cows. And. And I told my brothers at that point, I'm like, hey, that's too much for me to handle. A hundred was a nice number.

Luke (56:02)

Yeah.

Jared Boyer (56:03)

So what we were doing was, you know, the first year, it was good, but it was just, it was a lot. You know, I actually had to rent out my neighbor's yard to feed some of them. And so you were just constantly feeding cattle all day long. And so we minimized it to a hundred. That's what that, that place, that feeding floor would handle. And our goal was, hey, we could buy these 100 commercial cows. We could put our own embryos in some of them to save some money. So we're not paying. I don't even know what a trans over reset cost now, but I think they're forty some hundred dollars. You know, we can buy these open cows. You know what the crazy thing is? The first year we bought those open cows, we probably averaged a little over $1,000 in them. The last year when we bought those cows, we were at 1900. So you know, over four years, you know, you're increasing $900. And so obviously the cattle market is something unheard of that we've never probably seen before at this point. But so that, that's kind of the reason we did that is we were able to grow cut of our expenses instead of buying, you know, those extreme, you know, which in reality sometimes you think about it and you're like, man, you know, that's a lot of money for that cow. But when you're not heat checking them and setting them up and doing all that kind of stuff, it's really honestly worth it. Yeah, yeah, it really is. And you're not, it's not like you're, you know, even when we were doing that, we weren't. I told everybody we didn't get rich off of selling pregnant recipes, but we saved money. Was probably the biggest thing that helped us was we saved a lot of money. We were able to cheapen up some of the recip cows that we got pregnant that we kept by selling, you know, part of those that we bought. But it's not like, hey, let's stop selling show efforts and we'll just sell pregnant receipts because I mean, that wouldn't keep us afloat but dang sure helped us kind of help again cash flow things and kind of keep things rolling. And honestly we had a, you know, a big talk about that this spring with my brothers and I and, and we'll probably continue to keep doing it. You know, you're buying open cows, so obviously there are, you know, some of those cows a bull might have went bad or this or that. But you know, you're buying open cows and they're probably open for a reason. And so in order to kind of maybe help increase our conception rates, we've actually done a lot of talking and I don't think we're probably going to buy, especially right now. I mean, you're taking a huge risk buying a $2,400 open cow.

Luke (59:09)

Yeah.

Jared Boyer (59:10)

And so I think, you know, and we actually have already bought some. We bought a group of like coming second cavers that are due, you know, early part of the year. And I think what we're going to do is probably try to buy 30 to 40 commercial pregnant, commercial cows. We'll cab them, sell those calves, and put our eggs back in them. And. And probably at this point, for us, it probably makes a little more sense to probably try to help increase your conception rates, and then also you get a nice young cow to put back in. But I think moving forward for us, we're probably gonna probably more so just do it for ourselves than. Than probably selling pregnant recips at this point. We'll still do the flush work at our place and all that, but I would say we'll probably just do more of our own transfers for ourselves than buying the extra cows to sell, right?

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (60:15)

Yes, sir. Yeah. And now that we've talked about multiple of your operations there and kind of what y' all do, obviously the main one is selling show heifers. And so I would like to know, from a personal aspect, feeding these heifers, how do y' all do it? And maybe there's some tips and tricks that you'd like to offer to the public about getting these things started and getting prepped for show.

Jared Boyer (60:40)

Like, good cattle are going to convert. Good cattle are going to have an appetite. And so, you know, if they. If you sit in there and you're like, man, they're not eating, they're not gaining, they're not doing this or that. They're probably just not good enough. And. And so for us, you know, that's probably one of the biggest things our biggest challenge is, you know, like, when we grew up and our. Like, our state fair wasn't a huge main focus for my brothers and I, you know, when we showed at our state fair, there wasn't a supreme heifer drive. It was, you went, you showed in your breed, and then if you did good, you were done. And so for us, as we kind of went through all that, I. I would say the biggest thing for us is we always enjoyed probably the full shows just a little bit more. And so the challenge that we face sometimes is trying to have your stuff ready to show in the summertime, but then also be able to be able to do it. And I explained this to a buddy of mine the other day. I said, like, you trying to have your Fort Worth steer that you want to win Fort Worth with ready to win a show in early December and then turn around and come back at the end of January and try to win Fort Worth. And so it's a challenge to do it, to keep them fresh enough and then continue on. But I don't know the perfect answer. And, hey, there's a lot of times I'm probably wrong at that too, where we've said, oh, yeah, you know, we're in good enough shape and then you go to the show and you look skinny. But it's to me is, is a challenge to keep them to where you can get as much mileage out of them as possible. And I think ultimately when we take care of or feed one, one is, you know, to be able to be competitive throughout the whole year. Yeah.

Luke (63:01)

So now I know like a lot of people when they're especially like trying to get ahead for full and get them there, they end up pushing them and get them too fat. Is there a way that you can kind of peel them back enough to kind of keep them fresh or is it kind of once you push them over the limit, you're kind of just out of luck?

Jared Boyer (63:20)

Yeah, I mean, yes and no. Again, I think it's just, and ultimately it probably boils down to what your goal is. Right. If your goal is to win your state fair or your goal is to win all the jackpot shows or, you know, I think before you start, you just probably need to say, hey, this is what I'm looking forward to do, and then kind of adjust things accordingly to what, what, what your endpoint goals might be. But yeah, I, I mean, it, it's hard to do. It's, it's, honestly, it's hard to stay committed to those endpoint goals, especially, you know, through maybe sometimes some of the jackpot shows and you get beat up on and you're like, all right, let's just go home. We'll, we'll turn her loose and, you know, start feeding her. But if, you know, if your goal is not to do, you know, jackpot shows, it's, it can be time and, and there's some cattle that are just really good that can make it all the way through. You know, it really probably depends on the cattle that you're feeding and it also depends on kind of maybe a little bit what your endpoint goals are.

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Luke (67:11)

So now like kind of to somebody that might still be like starting up their own program, do you find it's better to maybe like buy a potential, a potential donor and flush and build off of her or maybe like buy embryos and have a set of recips or buy a handful of bread heifers? Like what's kind of your opinion, kind of getting into it, kind of the best option to, to save you the least potential losses, if that makes sense.

Jared Boyer (67:35)

Whatever is feasible at the time for you. You know I got like I talked about our, our Tammy cow. I got lucky. She cost me 3, $500, right? But not Every one of them is gonna turn out. I've bought a lot of higher priced heifers since then that I put embryos in now, you know, and so I, you know, I mean, a little bit of both. Anything. I, you know, I think that was one of the things that, with us and our operation, you know, between my in laws and, and my brothers and I and Bailey, is we always kind of realistically, it didn't really matter what breed they were, if they were, if they were good and they were affordable. You know, we try to, you know, try to buy them or if they were embryos or, you know, they were good and they were affordable, you know, like the embryos on snow sale, hey, there's a lot of really, really good stuff in there, and I would like to buy a lot of them, but some of them cost a lot of money too, and rightfully so, you know, it's good stuff. And we just kind of sit there throughout the sale and we just kind of wait and see and watch it. And if there's something that we like that's affordable, you know, we try to buy it. And you know, I think that's our mentality too. Like, if, and I'm bad about this, like, if I drive somewhere and I go to a sale, I do not want to waste. I look at it as like, okay, I spent two days, I went to that sale, I looked at those cattle and I drove home, like, I'm gonna buy something because I make that a waste, you know. Right. And so I'm bad about that. But like, when I go to a sale, like, I'm not just like, hey, there was only one there. And if I don't get that one, like, I'm not buying anything. I, I'm bad about. Hey, there was, there was two or three I thought were awesome. There was one or two that I thought, hey, make really nice cows. And then there was about two or three others that I thought had a chance. And I'll sit there and watch that wholesale. And if any of those seven or eight I think are in the price range, like, I'm probably gonna bid on them or maybe try to buy them, you know?

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (70:07)

Right.

Jared Boyer (70:08)

I'm, I'm, I fight. Honestly, it's a good thing if I probably pull in your driveway and come look through your sale cat, I'm gonna, I'm gonna partake. Most times, I would say 99 of the time I'm gonna bid on something or, or something just because I, I don't like to go somewhere and not come Home empty handed. So. But for us, you know. And hey, every time you go somewhere, you know, not every animal is going to be the perfect animal. Sometimes you got to buy some pieces and some parts and in order to make progress too.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (70:44)

Yes, sir. And so you're talking about the dynamics of the type of cattle you like to buy and not buy or just.

Weston Hendricks (70:53)

Pieces per se, like you'd said.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (70:55)

But I want to talk about the way you've created these sales and maybe how you build your lineup on what type of cattle go and what sale. And maybe you've done tons of these sales. So when I say dynamic, I'd like you to describe how you find those dynamics in order to have terms of like sale prices and where they land in terms of lots and like, I.

Luke (71:17)

Think to kind of tackle the Wesson's question, kind of what calves do you find fit better in certain areas of the sale? Because I know not all, not all spots in each sale kind of go the same. It's like, where do you kind of put certain calves in the sale itself.

Jared Boyer (71:32)

So for us, like one of the biggest challenges was when we started we had multiple breeds. And so trying to obviously come up with a sale order was a little bit challenging. So what we did when we started was we just went alphabetical order by breed and then by age is how we kind of is how we do our sales. So, you know, every year lot one's gonna be the oldest Angus and then we're gonna go, you know, to Charolay's. And so that, that was something for us, that was, made it nice. And then so if you have a family that's coming to look at a Charolay, you know, all the Charolais on that sale site are right next to each other. But as far as what cattle go on what sale, honestly I would say a lot of times probably depends on one, genetics and two, flesh. And for us. And this year we put in, I don't know, our last transfer was for May 7th. We transferred, I think there was 40 some embryos we transferred that day. And typically at that time I would put some steer embryos in to try to sell. I put in all heifer matings this year. And my plan with those is moving forward. What I would like to do is our October heifer sale. I would like to sell all our January, February marches. If there's maybe a couple of the Aprils that are a little bigger and huskier and farther along, put those on that sale. But kind of the later April, May stuff, I Want to leave on the cow and then sell them in our pasture sale alongside of our steers is. Is my plan, you know, moving forward. You know, this year, we're going to have two sales. One in September, one in October. There'll be 100 and 100 on each sale. And like, the. The steer sale is in September, and there's. I think there's a little over 50 steers, but we added quite a few heifers to that, too, because as we can kind of continue to grow, a lot of the younger heifers that are still on the cow, we left them on the cow. We put them on that sale. If some of those heifers that we weaned were maybe not quite as far along, we could kick them back out on a feeder with those steers and they wouldn't get too chubby on us. And so a lot of times that's kind of a little bit how we look at some of that stuff. And then obviously, genetically, if they're appealing to one more, one sale or the other, you know, that clientele that's coming to maybe look at steers that might be interested in a heifer that's bred that way, you know, we kind of try to split them up a little bit like that.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (74:41)

And you're talking about, you know, pasture sale or these different types of sales. One thing I want to ask is, rather than just those, it is the.

Weston Hendricks (74:52)

Private treaty versus live sales or online sales. Like, is there a certain type that.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (74:58)

You would rather do or is just strictly what y' all been doing, pretty much what y' all are going to keep going with?

Jared Boyer (75:08)

The. The online sales has always worked for us. And the one thing I like about online sales and. And hey, I'm just like anybody else. I probably lose the bid on a lot of calves through the year because I fall asleep, right? Because sometimes they can get a little bit late in the evening and, you know, you get tired. And there's been a lot of times where I wake up in the morning and I'm like, gosh dang it, you know, I fell asleep. But the one thing that I do like, and we tried ourselves, you know, where we started extending bidding a little bit earlier in the day. And now I know, like, SC has the. I forget what they call it. Where. What is it called?

Luke (76:00)

I know what you're talking about. Drawing a blank.

Jared Boyer (76:03)

Yeah, I am, too. I don't. It's like the alert, basically part where I think after final bid, final bid, there you go, final bid. And they turn that on. Where the clock basically turns off so you can't see the clock. So you're kind of forced to bid because you don't know if it's going to be ending or not. So I, I know they're trying. Hey, we're trying, too. I, I just Wish Everybody at 5 o' clock would just. I mean, because that's the way I am. I get five o'.

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Jared Boyer (76:34)

Hey, I'm either gonna get her or I'm not. So, you know, but some people are like, oh, I'm gonna wait. And it works, obviously, because I fall asleep quite a bit. But, you know, they'll wait and, and try to wait for bidding, but, you know, so everybody's trying to do that. So that part of it is a little bit challenging. But the one thing I do like about it is, like, you have some families that are interested in a few heifers, and if you have to develop a sale order and it's a live sale, and those families are looking at three or four different heifers. Well, maybe the third choice is selling first and they could afford her, but they're like, I will wait. And then they wait, and then the next two heifers are out of their price range. So it's nice because they can kind of bounce around a little bit to be able to find kind of the animal that they want. And realistically, they don't have to develop an order for how they're going to sell. So I, I really like that. I think it's, I think it's really beneficial for the buyer to be able to get the animal that they want that they can afford. Yeah.

Luke (77:44)

So as we start to kind of bring this episode, Sorry to close. I know this industry can be tough and it can be hard and days can get long. So is there any quotes or Bible verses, songs, anything that kind of keeps you motivated and keeps you going every day?

Jared Boyer (77:59)

Oh, man. I, I, you know, I would say the biggest thing is just my family. You know, we're, we're pretty family oriented and just that keep you going. I am, you know, I have an incredible wife, and every morning when I get up, she's usually in her office reading her Bible and, and doing that kind of stuff. And, you know, she's always telling me I need to, to, you know, do more of that. And I try. I really do. I, I have, I, I have a full faith. And, and I am definitely, obviously, at that point. And I'll tell you this, like, growing up, you know, we, you go to church every Sunday, right? And I probably now more get more out of it than you did when you're a younger kid and you were kind of like, yeah, I don't want to go to church, you know.

Luke (79:07)

Yeah.

Jared Boyer (79:08)

But my wife probably for me has done a lot more for me from that aspect of things and she's always sharing things with me. But I don't preach about it just because I, for me, I know I'm still probably a work in progress. Right. We're all human beings and we all have imperfections. But the biggest driving force for me is, is honestly my family and our friends. And when I grew up, my family would always sit down, we'd have dinner, we'd say grace. And my family's grace was, God is good, God is great. Let us thank him for our food, family, friends, farm. Amen. And so for me, those things, you know, our farm, our food, our family and our friends, those things motivate me. And like I talked about when I was in college and I had a good and awesome group of, of of friends and teammates that, that pushed you, you know, to your limits, that pushed you to succeed, that pushed you to be competitive. You know, it's the same thing. Now is, is those, those same people, you know, they're always pushing you, those same friends or the people that you've met along the way that are doing the same thing you are. You know, like I said, I'm a competitive person and so we might be friends, but I still want to beat you, you know.

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Jared Boyer (80:46)

And, and so you know, those things. And like I said, we have my family, my parents and my brothers and sisters. Like I said, I, I got five brothers and sisters who've always been supportive whether they were part of the cattle part or not. And you know, like I said, all of them are back home helping my family and then my in laws and my brother in law and sister in law, you know, so that to me is, is probably my biggest driving force. And I just, I enjoy, I enjoy the livestock business. Doesn't matter what species it is, you know, like my, and just livestock in general, I don't care if they're show livestock or I get just as much as, you know, we've been, we started fall calving and like one thing right now that I'm just so pumped about is I had a, a recip cow. She had split embryo twin Africas. It was a hundred degrees when she calved and like she kept him in the shade every day for, you know, a week straight. And it's just like, just Things like that, you just. I know it sounds kind of stupid, but I enjoy that part of it. I enjoy just raising livestock and trying to. And I don't want to sound corny, but like, trying to be, you know, a good caretaker, whether that's the cattle that you're taking care of, whether it's the land that you're taking care of, you know, whatever it may be, quite honestly.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (82:36)

So we usually have a last ending question of essentially what empowers you to be better than who you were before. And I think just within that answer, you hit it nail on the head. But I mean, if there's something you want to add to that question, go for it. But I think that was awesome.

Jared Boyer (82:58)

I. I enjoy this, the business, and I enjoy working with young people. I am excited. You know, hopefully one, one day, you know, my kids take an interest in it and they want to do some showing. I hope some of my nieces and nephews, you know, do too. And, you know, there'll be a little bit of a challenge to balance some of that with customers and your own kids. But we've also, to this point, you know, we tried to help out a bunch of other younger individuals, you know, meet their goals and their expectations. And I. I enjoy that part of it, working with some of those kids. And our house is pretty much a. A hotel. It seems like there's people constantly coming and staying with us and coming for the summer or coming to help or whatever. And. And that's one thing. My kids enjoy it, my wife enjoys it. And like I said, the main thing for me is, is my family and my friends and. And we just. I think I'm very, very fortunate. I'm very blessed for the life that we live.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (84:21)

Absolutely. Yes, sir. And so we usually end the episode.

Weston Hendricks (84:25)

With a Bible version verse.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (84:26)

And I think the one that had we picked up for today's episode resonates with what you've said here recently. But it's from Deuteronomy 31:8 and it says, the Lord himself goes before you and will be with you. He will never leave you, nor forsake you. Do not be afraid and do not be discouraged. And really everything that you've said throughout this entire episode does replicate those words just from you saying you took, had the 900 to your name and the sale and not giving up and letting the Lord essentially guide you through your path. And I think it's just awesome. It's an awesome story. I didn't know you in any way, shape or form. You decided to come on and tell us your story. For that I'm awfully grateful for. But really, truly, we couldn't have asked for a better episode. Honestly, I think it's a great way to start off the season as well. So with that, Jared, I really appreciate everything you've done. I'd love to come up there one day and check the operation out. And I'm sure Luke would as well.

Luke (85:32)

Definitely.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (85:33)

So, with all this said, this can be the end of the episode with Mr. Boyer. And here's to empowering you with him. And we will see y' all next time.

Jared Boyer (85:43)

You bet. Thanks for having me. If you guys ever get up this way, let me know.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (85:46)

Yes, sir.

Jared Boyer (85:48)

Thank you.

Interviewer/Host (possibly a co-host) (85:49)

Yes, sir.

Weston Hendricks (85:51)

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