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Empty Frames
Hosted by Crawlspace Media · EN
Season 1 is about the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum heist: In the early hours of March 18th, 1990, two thieves posing as police officers were admitted into the Gardner Museum in Boston. In 81 minutes they stole 13 pieces of artwork, among the paintings stripped from their frames were works by Vermeer, Degas, and Rembrandt.
Season 2 tackles other angles of art crime. We chat w/ owners of an antique store who found a famous stolen painting, we discuss a stolen da Vinci with Turbo, and we dig into Gardner heist minutia.
Season 3 is back to the Gardner!
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S3E23 - The Man Who Stole the Gods w/ Matthew Campbell
2w ago00:49:35Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Crawlspace Media's Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with author Matthew Campbell about his new book, The Man Who Stole the Gods: A True Story of War, Obsession, and a Global Art Conspiracy. Check out Matthew's site: https://www.matthew-campbell.com/. Pick up his book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/739182/the-man-who-stole-the-gods-by-matthew-campbell/. https://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Stole-Gods-Conspiracy/dp/0593716000. Check out Matthew's writing at Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/APrBP735mh8/matthew-campbell. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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S3E22 - Eric Ulis's Hunt For the Stolen Artwork Continues
Mar 3101:08:14Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Crawlspace Media's Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with Eric Ulis about his Gardner heist suspect Brian McDevitt. We revisit the history of McDevitt's connection to the heist before uncovering new information and new evidence that Eric is working on. Follow Eric Ulis: https://ericulis.com/. YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCewfNi-lPOshvd9t55NXbbA/. Twitter: https://twitter.com/ericulis. IG: https://www.instagram.com/ericulisofficial/. Last Seen's episode with Stephanie: https://www.wbur.org/lastseen/2018/11/05/flimflammer. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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S3E21 - Geoffrey Kelly on Thirteen Perfect Fugitives
Mar 1701:09:00Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Crawlspace Media's Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with retired FBI special agent and author Geoffrey Kelly about his new book, Thirteen Perfect Fugitives, about the 1990 Gardner Museum heist in Boston, Massachusetts. Geoff was head of the Gardner investigation for the FBI for many years and after his recent retirement he wrote this outstanding book. Check it out wherever you get your books! Links below. https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Thirteen-Perfect-Fugitives/Geoffrey-Kelly/9798895653173. https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Perfect-Fugitives-Murder-Largest/dp/B0FDGTZJH9. This interview was also recently published on Crawlspace and Missing. Check out Quince: https://quince.com/MISSING. Check out Kensington Publishing: https://www.kensingtonbooks.com. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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New // Louvre Heist
Nov 400:38:02Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak about the jewel heist at the Louvre in October of 2025. This episode was researched by Kathleen Studer. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Louvre_robbery https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7nrlkg0zxo https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/24/europe/louvre-heist-lift-maker-scli-intl https://abcnews.go.com/International/thieves-robbed-louvre-minutes-minute-minute-breakdown-daring/story?id=126719610 https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/20/style/france-louvre-heist-worrying-escalation-intl-hnk https://time.com/7326868/louvre-robbery-museum-crown-jewels/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2025/10/24/robbery-coins-french-museum-louvre-heist/86872594007/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/louvre-transfers-jewels-bank-france-after-heist-rtl-reports-2025-10-25/ https://apnews.com/article/louvre-jewels-heist-ap-photo-thibault-camus-06a43f6e6b46689754e7f57929d0151d https://nypost.com/2025/10/22/lifestyle/infamous-jewel-thief-slams-louvre-robbers-as-idiots-and-reveals-shocking-way-they-could-have-smuggled-gems-out-of-paris/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9d6e2wv884o https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20251024-dna-leads-and-video-trail-drive-search-for-stolen-louvre-crown-jewels https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/20/style/louvre-heist-which-jewels-stolen-intl-hnk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Crown_Jewels https://www.louvre.fr/en/explore/the-palace/sun-gold-and-diamonds https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgk0y97v0go https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/26/europe/louvre-robbery-france-arrests-intl Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447. Follow Crawlspace: IG: https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Bonus // The Million Dollar Car Detective
Sep 2101:02:19Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna welcome two new friends of the show to the conversation. Mr. Stayton Bonner & Mr. Joe Ford. Stayton wrote the book, The Million Dollar Car Detective and Joe Ford IS the Car Detective. The car in question is the stolen 1938 Talbot-Lago Teardrop, often described as the "most beautiful car in the world." This episode was previously published on Crawlspace on August 31st, 2025. Pick up your copy of The Million Dollar Car Detective: https://www.blackstonepublishing.com/products/book-d292 https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-million-dollar-car-detective-inside-the-worldwide-hunt-for-a-stolen-7-million-car-stayton-bonner/22452340?ean=9781982650681&next=t https://www.amazon.com/Million-Dollar-Car-Detective-Worldwide-Million/dp/1982650680 Follow Stayton https://x.com/staytonbonner?lang=en https://www.instagram.com/p/C50_Kx9Obvq/ Follow Crawlspace: IG: https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340. Follow Missing: IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Bonus // Ruby Red Handed
Aug 2800:49:51Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Tim Pilleri & Lance Reenstierna are joined by new friend of the show, executive producer and investigative journalist Maria Awes. Maria's production company, Committee Films, helmed the ABC News Studios doc, Ruby Red Handed: Stealing America's Most Famous Pair of Shoes. It's a wild and fascinating account of the theft and recovery of Judy Garland's ruby slippers from the classic movie, The Wizard of Oz. Watch Ruby Red Handed: Stealing America's Most Famous Pair of Shoes: https://www.hulu.com/series/ruby-red-handed-stealing-americas-most-famous-pair-of-shoes-4dd523b6-cfb6-4d4f-99c8-9febd2e4af68 Follow Maria Awes: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maria-awes-315b3329 https://x.com/maria_awes?lang=en Check out what Committee Films has going on: https://committeefilms.com/ We are going to CrimeCon in Denver CO. Sept. 5th - 7th! For 10% off your standard pass, use code "crawlspace" at checkout. Go to https://www.crimecon.com/CC25 Follow Crawlspace: IG: https://www.instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7iSnqnCf27NODdz0pJ1GvJ. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/crawlspace. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crawlspace-true-crime-mysteries/id1187326340. Follow Missing: IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0yRXkJrZC85otfT7oXMcri. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/missing/id1006974447. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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S3E20 - New Gardner Suspect & More
Jul 2701:03:42Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with Kerry Joyce AKA the Muddy River Fact Checker about his favorite suspect Rod Ramsay, was Abath involved and much more. Check out Kerry's site at https://gardnerheist.com/. Follow Kerry Joyce on X: https://x.com/gardnerheist. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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S3E19 - The 2025 Turbo Train
Jul 201:04:25Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with Turbo Paul Hendry aka Art Hostage. Turbo is a return guest, is no stranger to making shocking statements and this conversation is no different. Follow Turbo on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@arthostage8586. IG: https://www.instagram.com/arthostageturbopaul/. X: https://x.com/ArtHostage. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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S3E18 - The Devil Wears Rothko w/ Barry Avrich
Jun 2401:06:19Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with author and filmmaker Barry Avrich about his new book The Devil Wears Rothko about an intense forgery scheme involving priceless art. Get the book here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Devil-Wears-Rothko/Barry-Avrich/9798888454527. https://www.amazon.com/Devil-Wears-Rothko-Inside-Scandal/dp/B0DJKYT463. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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S3E17 - Any Day Now w/ Eric Aronson
Jun 2001:00:00Tap to summarizeIn this new episode, Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna speak with filmmaker Eric Aronson about his new movie, Any Day Now, based on the Gardner heist. We also speak about the publicity stunt that Eric and his team pulled in New York City this past winter in promotion of the movie. Watch Any Day Now: https://athome.fandango.com/content/browse/details/Any-Day-Now/4123611. https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/amzn1.dv.gti.35a370dd-3f7f-4aaf-bdd2-bb81d369d02c. https://tv.apple.com/us/movie/any-day-now/umc.cmc.30isextembf8w3fxo8c74tru3. Follow Any Day Now on IG: https://www.instagram.com/anydaynowfilm/. Visit the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/. Follow us on social media: https://twitter.com/empty_frames. https://www.facebook.com/EmptyFramespodcast/. https://www.instagram.com/emptyframespodcast/. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb4xoWHxXY1fWrK93A84zkg. Follow Missing: TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@missingcsm. YT: https://www.youtube.com/missingcsm. IG: https://www.instagram.com/MissingCSM/. X: https://twitter.com/MissingCSM. FB: https://www.facebook.com/MissingCSM. Follow Crawlspace: X: https://twitter.com/crawlspacepod. FB: https://www.facebook.com/Crawlspacepodcast. IG: https://www.Instagram.com/Crawlspacepodcast. TT: https://www.tiktok.com/@crawlspacepodcast. Check out our entire network at http://crawlspace-media.com/. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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