The Flyers Offer Sheet Leo Carlsson And Destroy The Ducks Future

Summary

Empty Netters Podcast: "The Flyers Offer Sheet Leo Carlsson And Destroy The Ducks Future"

Date: July 7, 2026
Hosts: Dan Powers & Co-hosts (Evan, Ev, and guests)
Produced by: Almost Friday Media

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into one of the wildest and most dramatic NHL contract stories in recent memory: the Philadelphia Flyers' offer sheet to Anaheim Ducks' star Leo Carlsson. The hosts provide heated analysis, player insights, and front-office speculation about how this move could send shockwaves through the league and devastate the Ducks' carefully built future. Along the way, there's the usual mix of hilarious banter, hot takes, and relatable fan moments—from passionate rants against stadium placements to a breakdown of contract drama and a closing beer league story.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter & City/Stadium Talk (00:00-14:00)

• Hosts riff on New York/New Jersey stadium naming
  • Critique the concept of “New York” teams playing in New Jersey, the feasibility of stadiums in Manhattan, and the absurdity of urban development taking over Central Park.
  • “If you don’t have the means to put a stadium in your general area, then you relinquish your rights to have a team, in my opinion.” – Dan Powers (01:32)
• Funny hypotheticals about suspended stadiums (“Quidditch Stadium/Cloud City”) and real estate consequences.

2. Soccer, Heritage, and National Fandom Debates (14:00-34:00)

• World Cup in the U.S. — crowd observations and “heritage rooting”:
  • Massive Brazilian and Colombian fan turnouts at games, and the authenticity of international fan identities.
  • Critique of Americans rooting for other nations instead of USA—what heritage means vs. lived nationality.
• Identity humor:
  • Personal stories about family heritage, awkward Thanksgiving introductions (“he’s Arab in here”), and the melting-pot nature of U.S. fandom.

3. Main Event: The Leo Carlsson/Flyers Offer Sheet (34:00-61:00)

The Shocking News (34:00-37:00)

• Flyers offer sheet:
  • “In the fucking dark of night, Danny Brière and the Philadelphia Flyers sent a five year, by $18 million per year offer sheet to Leo Carlsson, who signed it.” – Dan Powers (15:01)

Why Is This So Wild? (37:00-40:00)

• Layers of wackiness:
  • Ducks' GM Pat Verbeek previously claimed all offer sheets would be matched.
  • History: Flyers’ recent trades with Anaheim and the unexpected inter-team drama.
  • Dollar amount: “18 million per year is fucking nuts... This is a massive statement of a contract.” – Dan Powers (15:54, 22:34)

How Did It Get Here? (40:00-46:00)

• Contract details and failed negotiations:
  • Ducks reportedly offered $11.5–$12M; Carlsson’s camp wanted $15M; Flyers blew it all up with $18M.
  • Quote: “This actively fucks the Ducks... There is some animosity there.” – Co-host (18:18)
  • Massive escalation breaks trust and wrecks the Ducks’ cap planning.

Should Anaheim Match? Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don’t (46:00-53:00)

• If Ducks match:
  • They are financially crippled and may lose other stars (Cutter Gauthier, etc.).
  • “If you sign a deal in the year of our Lord 2026 for 18 mil a year, you are signing a contract that says, whatever team I am on will not win the Stanley cup.” – Dan Powers (21:30)
• If Ducks don’t match:
  • They lose a generational center for years of late first-round picks—little hope of getting a similar player back.
  • Front office looks “like a buffoon.”
  • “There is no fixing this situation. Zero, zilch. This is an unforgivable fuck up.” – Dan Powers (47:32)
• Comparison to NBA/NFL contracts & precedent:
  • Cap mechanics mean that “superstar money” makes winning exceedingly difficult; players who take these deals become cap “anchors,” not foundations.

What’s Leo Carlsson Thinking? Motives and Fallout (53:00-59:00)

• Player perspective:
  • Unprecedented sum, but “puts a massive target on his back”—team success vs. personal earnings debate.
  • “When you sign something like that to me, it does say you don’t care about the Ducks... If and when the Ducks don’t match, I am salivating for Leo Carlsson’s press conference.” – Dan Powers (56:20)
• Press conference advice:
  • Hosts agree: “Be real, dude. I want. I like teams hating each other, too. I want more of that.” (58:31)

4. Ripple Effects: Around the League (61:00-65:00)

• Offer sheets are the new normal:
  • The hosts argue, “This is the new league. Everyone gets offer sheeted.” (26:46)
• James (Jason) Robertson situation:
  • Exhaustion with monotonous contract narratives—players, teams, and fans all trapped by indecision, stalling, and arbitration’s negative vibes.

5. Beer League Hotline & Locker Room Politics (73:08-80:37)

• Beer league goalie drama:
  • A listener recounts getting cut for allegedly “not being focused” after years of play and delivering beer to the team; hosts humorously dissect what really happened, poking fun at “being the donkey” or the locker room outcast.
  • “You are despised on this team. This group of guys hate you.” – Dan Powers (75:51)
• Advice:
  • Look for the root cause—self-awareness or personal grudges—and ask for second opinions from teammates. “If you can’t spot the sucker at the table, you’re the sucker.” (74:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|--------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:32 | Dan Powers | “If you don’t have the means to... relinquish your rights to have a team.” | | 15:01 | Dan Powers | “In the fucking dark of night, Danny Brière and the Philadelphia Flyers sent a five year, by $18 million per year offer sheet to Leo Carlsson, who signed it.” | | 18:18 | Co-host | “This actively fucks the Ducks... There is some animosity there.” | | 21:30 | Dan Powers | “If you sign a deal... for 18 mil a year, you are signing a contract that says, whatever team I am on will not win the Stanley cup.” | | 22:34 | Dan Powers | “18 mil a year is going to be a lot on your cap. Five years from now, forever.” | | 34:35 | Dan Powers | “Fan base is not going to accept 67 points a season at 18 mil a year. Philadelphia Flyers fans.” | | 47:32 | Dan Powers | “There is no fixing this situation. Zero, zilch. This is an unforgivable fuck up.”| | 56:20 | Dan Powers | “It does say you don’t care about the Ducks. If and when the Ducks don’t match, I am salivating for Leo Carlsson’s press conference.” | | 58:31 | Co-host | “Be real, dude. I want. I like teams hating each other, too. I want more of that.” | | 73:51 | Dan Powers | “You are despised on this team. This group of guys hate you.” | | 74:22 | Co-host | “If you haven’t seen rounders, go see it. If in the first 10 minutes you can’t spot the sucker at the table, you’re the sucker.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Deep-dive on the offer sheet process: 15:01–28:33
• Impact on Ducks’ roster/cap: 28:33–40:15
• Should the Ducks match or not? 37:02–47:32
• League-wide impact/precedents: 61:00–65:00
• Beer league hotline story: 73:08–80:37

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

True to their roots as ex-players turned beer leaguers, the Empty Netters crew mixes sharp analysis with locker room humor and irreverence. The tone is critical yet empathetic towards players (hoping they “get every cent”), but there is no holding back when it comes to front offices bungling franchise talent or allowing irreparable contract situations.

The hosts stress—

• Transparency from players is refreshing and fans deserve explanations for decisions that alter a team’s course.
• Cap management trumps star power: No one is above the math, and huge deals can sink even the most promising rosters.
• Emotion and grudges shape both pro and rec hockey: it’s never just about numbers.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a must-listen (or must-read) for anyone who cares about NHL contracts, front-office strategy, or high-stakes hockey drama. The Flyers' offer sheet to Leo Carlsson isn’t just a headline; it’s a paradigm shift in how teams, agents, and fans view restricted free agency and roster building. If you’re a Ducks fan—you have permission to be in shambles.

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Transcript

[Dan Powers]

Welcome to the Empty Netters podcast.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Can you believe what this has become? There was a full 48 hours where

[Dan Powers]

I felt like I was like literally Superman. Jumbo loves playing Fortnite. So does he. Gets on the sticks. Did TR show you the sauna cycle or was that already.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

No, I invented that. Almost a year now that I haven't taken a body check. That's kind of nice.

[Dan Powers]

So we are back. We are horned up and we are going deep. Finished tonight with some chicken fingers and a few Guinnesses.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Ran into you guys.

[Dan Powers]

And that's where this pod came to life. Ice is ready. And we're back with another episode of the Empty Neighs podcast, brought to you by BetMGM. I'm your host, Dan Powers. The Doctor, yo.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Hello.

[Dan Powers]

Rocking a sick hat. And then fresh back from New Jersey.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Also a sick hat.

[Dan Powers]

The land of opportunity. CP as always.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I really don't like how they call that area New York, New Jersey. Cause they go, it's the New York stadium. So they go. They go, what's up, everybody? New York, New Jersey.

[Dan Powers]

And I'm like, no, I don't like that either.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Not a thing at all.

[Dan Powers]

I don't like it in general. Like, what are we doing? New York, you have room to put a football stadium in your state.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

But wouldn't you say this, that. Cause I had the same thought. You certainly have no room to put it in Manhattan, obviously.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

No.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So you could put it in, like, upstate New York, but it's actually way easier for the people of Manhattan to get. It's right there. It's.

[Dan Powers]

So if you don't have the means to put a stadium in your general area, then you relinquish your rights to have a team, in my opinion.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I don't hate the take that they should be called the New Jersey Jets. That's what I'm saying. I don't hate.

[Dan Powers]

You're not the New York Jets.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

You're not.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah. Okay. I like that.

[Dan Powers]

And like, I. I respect that. The Patriots are called the New England Patriots because, like, Foxborough ain't Boston, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

The New York New Jersey.

[Dan Powers]

You couldn't figure out putting a fucking football stadium in somewhere. And you know what? I'm kind of like, yes, you do have room in Manhattan, bro.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

You do build up. You got to put it above the

[Dan Powers]

skyscrapers, like, level some buildings, dog. Sorry.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

See you later, Central Park.

[Dan Powers]

The like, you're telling me that London has room for all of these state. Like, they. They made it work. I know they're old. Yeah, they. But like, I'm sorry, dude, there's plenty of places. You think they need the park in New York. Central Park. Put that.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Okay. That's a good take, too. I could do. I could get rid of Central park is ass. The problem is the real.

[Dan Powers]

Actually, I'm going to be honest. I know I'm not the biggest fan of New York City. Central park is incredible.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

It's actually. There's so much stuff in there. It's like, really cool. When you walk around, you're like, how is this in the middle of New York City?

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Guys got to put it up high. You got to make it in a sky.

[Dan Powers]

Suspend it, make it like a Quidditch Stadium.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That would be cool.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Like Cloud City and Star Wars.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Do you think some New York do. What do you think if your apartment. If your new Upper west side New York apartment now had the Meadowlands above it, does your property value go up or does it go down because you're in shade 247 because you're under the stadium down? Yeah, but. But then again, I'm like this. I'm.

[Dan Powers]

You're.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I'm under the 40.

[Dan Powers]

You're the mole person.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Like, you live.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Mole man.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, but you.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

If they give you season tickets to any event, that'd be pretty cool just by living there as like a. Sorry.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Sorry.

[Dan Powers]

If you lived in New York City and you got a notice that you were being displaced from your apartment because the building was being leveled because they were moving the jets and Giants Stadium to Manhattan and they went. As a result of this, you will be given five years of season tickets to jets and Giants games. Would you take it?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Fuck no.

[Dan Powers]

Why?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Because they stink.

[Dan Powers]

You're an idiot.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

You could sell those tickets, make a

[Dan Powers]

lot of money, and like, who knows? In five years, maybe they're sick.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

The jets have sucked for so long that they will quite literally never be good. So that's.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, the jets are dead, but the Giants are so.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I was talking to a guy in the cab in a New York, New Jersey cab.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Hell, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And he goes, what are you doing? I said, I'm going to the game. He said, I've been to the. I've been there. I've been to MetLife. And I was like, oh, yeah, sick. And he goes, I go to jets games sometimes. Cause people sell them for 30 bucks because the jets stink. And I was like, I can't believe you paid 30. So. Now that is cheap. 30 bucks for a Jets game?

[Dan Powers]

Crazy.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

But I believe it's darn less than a drink there. So Bad.

[Dan Powers]

That is dark. Did you have a good time?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, it was sick. It was, you know, it was a. It was a long. A lot of travel, but it was really cool to be there, dude. I couldn't remember if we had been there because we had been to the Meadowlands, but I was like, oh, have I been to MetLife? And I think I did go with Chatsky. We deduced that, but I forgot it's huge. Very cool. What's the guys, what's the black dude that he's yoked and he.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Terry Crews.

[Dan Powers]

Terry Crews.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Terry Crews was there and he was like yelling. You know, he was doing the yell thing. He took his shirt off.

[Dan Powers]

Terry Cruz, he's funny as hell.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

Didn't he.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Not to derail this. Didn't he try to. Me too, also, like, I think in the height of MeToo, Terry Crews went like this. I was also assaulted at everybody.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

He was. Yeah, he got like.

[Dan Powers]

He was fucking like. He was groped.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

He was groped on the team.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Not right now, Terry.

[Dan Powers]

You piece of shit.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah. You don't think Terry Crews can be.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, he sure can. That's just always my memory of him now in like the height of the.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Me too.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Terry Crews was like this also. Me.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Me too. Literally.

[Dan Powers]

You're a fucking scumbag, dude. You're such a fucking piece of shit.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

He was there. That was dope. Leo was there. Cool. Yep.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Pope Leo or Leo DiCaprio?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Leo DiCaprio.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Okay.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I think Toby was there too. And the dude who's in Inception, who's their boy?

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, dude. I was gonna say, if Leo was there, Toby was there.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep. And then also Brunson was there. Place went there.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, Saw that.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Oh, that's.

[Dan Powers]

Saw it on tv. And I was like, oh, hell yeah.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

It took. I think it was Landon on the call on tv. Took him a while. They were showing Brunson for like a full 30 seconds. And then he was like, Jalen Brunson, Congrats to him and the whole New York Knicks team.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, very cool. Good job. A lot of Knicks jerseys in the crowd. And Dan, I know you hate that shit, but that. I was kind of like, enjoy this. Like, it's not even a soccer jersey. It's not New York teams. But I was like, I love the Knicks jerseys.

[Dan Powers]

I love the Knicks. But I think I do not like that. I'm like, what?

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Just give him the summer just until.

[Dan Powers]

No, no. I mean, they can wear it wherever they want. But I think my bigger thing was, like, honestly, if USA were Playing in that game. I. I actually wouldn't hate it because I'm like, that's a US Team. Like, I. You know, but it was just Brazil, Norway, Knicks.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Or.

[Dan Powers]

Wait, were you at that game or. Yeah. You were at Brazil, Norway. Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Sick, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And, dude, it was.

[Dan Powers]

Some people are saying that you've gone to a lot of World cup games that you don't deserve to go to.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

A lot of people are saying that.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah. I think they're right.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah. I was gonna say.

[Dan Powers]

Who is.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Who is not saying that.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

What. What idiot fool is not a great.

[Dan Powers]

That you've deserved all of these moments.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That's crazy.

[Dan Powers]

The.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I was surprised by this.

[Dan Powers]

The.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I'm dead ass. There were. I bet there was a higher percentage of Brazil fans at that game than there were US Fans at the U. S. Bosnia game. The entire stadium was just yellow jerseys. Well, the.

[Dan Powers]

The Columbia game in Miami. Yeah. Was a true Colombian event.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Dude.

[Dan Powers]

That. That game was in Medellin. Yeah. That was not in Miami.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So I. I. Fuck.

[Dan Powers]

I heard. Nothing will compare to that.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I heard a sick stat about that. It's the first time Columbia. Fuck, I'm gonna mess it up. But there was some reason for that. It was like the first time blank. And then people went crazy, so. Cause Dean, as in Chatsky's Dean, was at that game and he was like, they had to check my ticket, like, 20 times. Because they were like, people are like, everyone on earth from Columbia is here trying to get into this game illegally. It was chaos in the streets.

[Dan Powers]

That's awesome.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I love it. Yeah. That was nuts. I did, though, think. And I don't begrudge this, because Brazil is. I've said this many times. Brazil is. Is what I think of when I think of the World Cup.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

It's their. Their. The iconic squad.

[Dan Powers]

They are the Ferrari. Yeah. Of.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And so it kind of was like. I didn't. I don't begrudge everyone rooting for Brazil, but I was like, none of you actually. Or a lot of you don't actually like Brazil. There were a ton of Brazilians there who. I was like, fuck. Yeah. But most of them are phony Brazil fans.

[Dan Powers]

I. Here's. This is a great discussion. This came up yesterday. Someone asked me today on Hockey Talk, and I loved the caveat. It was like, obviously, you're rooting for usa, but what other nations do you like and what other players do you like? And I was like, great question. I think that there is. I think it is very cool. We've Been talking all about international relations, this World cup, and I think it's awesome. It is an incredibly American thing to be like, I am 15% blank, therefore, I associate with blank. And I think that that's cool. I don't know why I did an Elmo voice there, but, like, it is. It's. That is cool. I think it's great to love your heritage now. I think it's great to love your heritage, but I think it is, in my opinion, I think it's interesting when things like international tournaments go on that the US Is in and there are people who are like, I'm actually rooting for Mexico.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And I'm like, are you Mexican? And they're like, no. But I'm like, my great grandfather was born in Mexico. I'm like, okay, are you rooting for the USA over Mexico? And they're like, no. I think that that's weird. I think it's cool to have teams that you root for after. Like, I really love Norway. That makes sense for us. I also really love England in the sense that when England is playing, I'm rooting for them because I love Chelsea, and I love a lot of the English players, and I love England in general. I love the country. But again, I'm not an England fan in terms of. I'm gonna buy an England kit and run around and be like, I'm rooting for England this World Cup. When they're playing, I'm like, this. You got my support, guys. Interestingly enough, England Norway is gonna be difficult for me.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Yesterday, after the Mexico England game, Alison and I walked down the street to grab ice cream, and there was just hordes of Mexico and England jerseys pouring out of the bars. And I was looking at a lot of these people, and without asking, this is an assumption, and I'm making an ass out of you and me when I do that. I was like, so many of these people are not British. So many of these people are not Mexican. Now, that's okay. It doesn't matter. But, like, I saw one dude with a backwards cap on, like, New Balance sneakers. He was like a very Venice dude. And he had an England kid on, no name, nondescript, probably bought it at the Nike store on 3rd Street Promenade fucking earlier that day. And I was staring at him, and I was like, that dude is not British. And then I heard him talk, and he was not British. And I almost went up to him because we were. I was standing in line waiting for my ice cream, and I almost went, what? What are you what's your deal? Not in a judgmental way, but like, what are you wearing that kit for? Because I am always curious. And without calling people out, we have friends who are you? You are from the United States. You are Estados Unidos, and they are rooting for another country. And I'm like, I think that is okay. Interesting choice.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Dude, I am so with you. And I'll take it even outside of sports, because it is also very cool that it's such a melting pot. And it's the best. Yeah. But I.

[Dan Powers]

It's my favorite thing about the US

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I get rattled when anyone could be someone I know or don't know. When they go, I am blank. Like, they say heritage. Like, I am British. And they go, because, you know, my mom and dad are from London and they met there and then they moved here and then had me. So I am British. And I'm like, no, no, you're not. In fact, you. They go, I'm 100% British. And I go, actually, in fact, you are 100% American. And again, what are you talking about?

[Dan Powers]

It's like, if we're talking your heritage, I'm like, yeah, exactly. But I'm like, you American, you're born here, and you spend every waking moment of your life.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

So funny.

[Dan Powers]

So just be clear about that.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Sandra's mom, Evan, when she. Sandra's mom's Egyptian from Egypt. And when before they had met me, the first time I met them was at a Thanksgiving that they hosted in Ohio.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Oh.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And per this part of it all, per my point that I just made, Sandra is 100% American, but her heritage is literally 50% Japanese, 50% Egyptian because her dad's side is all like, they're both the first to ever have been here. And then they have her.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I am going to the mom side in Ohio for Thanksgiving, and our mom's side is Lebanese. And we get this whole. When I'm on the way there to meet Sandra's mom for the first time, all the Egyptians, they go, sandra's bringing a boyfriend to Thanksgiving. And it's great news because he's Arab. And I like this. Hello. And they were like, excuse me. And I was like, I am. I am Jesus Christ.

[Dan Powers]

So funny.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Incredible, dude.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

So did they. Were they disappointed?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

No, because they said I was Arab in here.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, he's a unicorn here.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And it worked. Yeah. Totally played.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So good.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

When I look at you, I think Lebanese.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan Powers]

Right. We got a lot to talk about. Hockey wise. It was a crazy, crazy weekend. It Started on Friday. Thought we were going to have a nice, cool, calm Fourth of July weekend. But no. Philadelphia Flyers and Danny Brewer had other ideas. Let's start things off here with a Leo Carlson offer sheet. The biggest news of the weekend, no question about it. Said on Hockey Talk that you have to tune into the pod to hear our takes on this, and you do so to summarize, in the fucking dark of night, Danny Beer and the Philadelphia flyers sent a five year, by $18 million per year offer sheet to Leo Carlson, who signed it. Meaning that from that Friday, Pat Verbeek and the Ducks have seven days to either match or accept said offer sheet. This has been everything we've ever asked for as far as drama in the league and craziness. This is, in my opinion, one of the wackiest things that we have ever seen.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Okay, why did you use that word? Wacky? Yep.

[Dan Powers]

Because there are so many elements of this that are Looney Tunes.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

The. The fact that Pat Verbeek went out of his way to make a statement saying, any offer sheet we will match.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Don't even bother.

[Dan Powers]

The fact that he allowed Leo Carlson to get to July 3rd without an extension. I don't care what was going on. The fact that the Flyers, of all teams with the history with Travis Zeger's trade with Cutter Gautier. Shit, Jamie Drysdale, they are the ones to send the offer sheet. Incredible. And the fact that the Flyers gave Leo Carlson, whom we adore.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Powers]

18 million per year is fucking nuts. It's all amazing. It's so, so fun. The so.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I assume you saw this, too. What I heard was that they were offering around 12 and 13. Leo's camp wanted 15, and that was the. That was the impasse. That's what I heard.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That is being reported.

[Dan Powers]

But, like, we have sources, personal sources, that are saying that earlier this year, like towards the end of the season, Leo's camp heard an 11.5 to 12 number. And they were like, that would be. They were like, we're in.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And that was the similar thing to Cutter. That's why we have on the show multiple times said if these guys are smart, they will sign the same exact deal like Taves and Kane and the Ducks will win a million Stanley Cups. So I don't know if I believe the 15 number, but even if.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Let's.

[Dan Powers]

Let's live in that world. Go on.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So, yeah. And if that's the impasse or I guess the reason I brought it up is because that is not. Nothing like that is Kind of. That was Leo, if true going, I would like to be the high or the second highest paid player. And like I always forget that Karel has this insane deal, but you know, my minus that one astronomical outlier. I would like to be the highest played player in the league. And I don't totally hate Verbeek for going, okay, well can we make it 12, 13? Cause then we can keep cut. You know that is actually a normal numbers wise conversation to have between player and front office. That conversation should have been happening weeks ago. But that numbers wise, I go, yeah, okay, sounds good. I see why you're not just writing a check to Leo for 15. The only reason I semi believe it is it kind of justifies why Leo would sign the offer sheet. Because he's frustrated, right? Like he's going 15, they're going 12, he's going 15, they're going12. And then someone goes 18, he goes, Fine, bye. In my mind that logically makes sense. Whereas if they were all hunk. If everything was happy and, and rainbows and sunshine, then it's like, why would you. Because dude, not to get it twisted. And as you and I say a million times as a player's pot, I hope they get every cent. This was, this actively fucks the Ducks. Like he easily could have gone, I'm flattered. No thank you. And then worked something out, dude. So there is some animosity there.

[Dan Powers]

I, that's the thing I can't get. And I, I, we, we tweeted like a whole thing and at the end I was like, I'm also shocked that Leo signed and people were like, you're shocked? And yeah, I kind of stand by it. Me too.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Me too.

[Dan Powers]

Because I'm jumping ahead of my notes here that of things that I want to talk about. But I this ties.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

This will be perfect. Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Leo Carlson is 21 years old and he. We think the world of Leo Carlson. I think he is one of the. I think he's probably the second best young center in the National Hockey League as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Like I go macklin. And then.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, that's probably true.

[Dan Powers]

I think Leo is, has Anja Kopitar, Ryan Getzlav, Patrice Bergeron, Sasha Barkov elements in him. He is a franchise player. Say what you will about injuries with him. Like I know that there are some people who are worried that he is has injuries and this and that and the other. And what do you have? 67 points last year. So like this number is nuts. Like when you look at a Macklin Celebrini, who just had like fucking 119 points. And Leo Carlson who had like, again, I think it was like 67 points in like 70 something games. 67 and 70, yeah. The fact that he just signed $18 million a year is. Let's. It's. It's nuts. That is nuts. Again, I don't care how highly you think about the player, because we're in the camp. That's probably the highest. Yeah, like whatever table is this table. Everyone here thinks the highest of Leo Carlson. I'm at that table.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I'll have the steak, please.

[Dan Powers]

And 18 and 18 mil a year is crazy. I'll have the Swedish meatballs. Yeah, but it's like I, I'm just a little shocked because it's, it's felt like things in Anaheim were so great and everything and everyone was on the most upward trajectory of all time. And now all we've seen since the end of the season has just been calamity there. You lose McTavish for a couple of firsts to the Blues. Like we all thought McTavish might go in a deal that would get Auston Matthews or Connor McDavid or Dylan Larkin and then you just lose him for a couple of picks. So now McTavish is gone. After that whole thing of him sitting out and you finally sign him and he was supposed to be your second line center of the team.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Sold him as low as humanly possible.

[Dan Powers]

Sold him as low as humanly possible. Not for a massive player. And then John Carlson gets traded, his rights get traded. Then your entire John Carlson's bye bye. And then you trade Olin Zellweger for like a second round pick and he immediately signs it. It's such a palatable number in Buffalo. And then Truba's gone and Gudis is gone. And now Leo Carlson's fucking offer sheeted and it's. I'm just like, oh my God, dude, what is happening here? And this is why I'm surprised. I am surprised because it felt like things were going great. I thought Leo was super happy in Anaheim. Now him signing an offer sheet doesn't necessarily mean he's not happy in Anaheim, but it's clearly something is going on. Whether it be frustrations with the contract negotiations, whether it be frustrations with the gm, I don't know. But the fact that he signed this for me is nuts because, and I stand by this passionately, if you sign a deal in the year of our Lord 2026 for 18 mil a year, you are signing A contract that says, whatever team I am on will not win the Stanley cup, in my opinion. Ooh.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Ooh. Oh, my God. Nice.

[Dan Powers]

In my opinion.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Nice.

[Dan Powers]

I want players to get their deal. I want them to get all the money they can. But signing a deal for 18 million is a death sentence for your team. And for a guy who seems like such a team guy, it feels weird to me that he would go, either I'm going to say, hey, Ducks, peace. Like, not necessarily you, but like, kind of you.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

I would say, like, I'm signing this offer sheet, putting you guys in a crazy situation, and you, I'm out. I'm going to Philly. And you then go to Philly and go, give me all my monies. Yeah. Or you go, ducks match, and you have to walk back into the Ducks facility where they go, jesus Christ, pal. Thanks a lot. And he goes, give me all my monies. Because I'll tell you what, man.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

You know what?

[Dan Powers]

Fan base is not going to accept 67 points a season at 18 mil a year. Philadelphia Flyers fans. So you like, dude, you're the highest paid player in the NHL right now.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

You are McDavid now. And here's the thing. I have two things to say. One, even when someone signs for more than that, whether it be Quinn Hughes, cale Makar, Connor McDavid, doesn't matter, you are still in the top 5% highest paid players in the league, so you better fucking play like it. And two, there are so many people trying to rationalize this decision, whether it be a Flyers fan or a Ducks fan, regardless of how it shakes out, who go, dude, in three years, 18 mil is not that much. I have news for you. Yes, it is. Like, please get that idea out of your head. Because you know what, dude? Darnell nurse was making 9.25 mil and he signed that deal, what, four years ago. Still this year, Oilers fans are growing. That is so much fucking killing us, guys. 18 mil a year is going to be a lot on your cap. Five years from now, forever. Like, that is a lot of money. I do not care how the cap is going up. I don't care how much it is going up. This is a massive statement of a contract. And it's just like you. We look at the teams that we're seeing win the Stanley Cup. No one is even close to this number. When Vegas, like Jack Eichel, has one of the top five contracts in the NHL, he was not on this current contract when they won that Stanley Cup. Look at everyone in Florida. No one is making this kind of money. Look at everyone in Carolina. No one is making this kind of money. The league's changing for sure, and that's a great thing. But 18 mil a year is so much.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Do you think the. I imagine 17 is in the same boat? So the Wild are fucked and cannot win a cup because Kirill's making 17 and you're dead.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, I hear you.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And again, I don't want to sound like we're contradicting ourselves, because when he signed that, we were like, you have to keep the player. Yeah, I stand by that. The Minnesota Wild were forever. I don't want to say a middling team, but you were a smaller market team, and I think that's ass because it's fucking Minneapolis. It's the state of hockey. You should have a good team. And when you did well and you drafted well and you get players like Matt Boldy and you have this great roster, and you drafted Kril Kiprize off. It sucked. That Kirill Kaprizoff was immediately like, I am a sellsword. Like, he's done this twice now, where he was like, bro, I am going to fucking play hardball with you until you pay me every cent. But I believe in Krill Caprizov. So I'm like, pay him, dude. Like, you just got to. Because if you can keep Krill, then you have superstars in your team. The Ducks were different for me because I'm like, you're in Southern California. Everyone wants to be here. And you have drafted so well. You are like, you're in a good spot. And it felt like Leo was a guy that you didn't have to pay to keep around because he'd be like, I want to be around. We've got fucking Cutter and Becke and Jackson like, and Dosti and Net, like, we're fine. So this was shocking to me. So shocking. And again, dude, I will go back to my large. Thing is you. What are GMs doing?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

What are they doing by not signing their guys? Is that what you mean?

[Dan Powers]

And I promise you this, man, we saw it with the Blues with Broberg and Holloway, and we. We have now seen the Devils just offer sheet at Hayton in Utah. And we've seen this offer sheet. This is the new league.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And.

[Dan Powers]

And what's going to happen?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Sheeted, right? Like, we don't know.

[Dan Powers]

Speculation that he was going to get offer sheeted. So they gave him this.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So they were like, hey, dude, we're about to offer sheet this. So fucking.

[Dan Powers]

I don't.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That's my interpretation.

[Dan Powers]

I don't.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

My interpretation is they heard that an offer sheet was coming and this is. We're going to get to this because of Nemec. Yeah, but this is the new. Like, every year we see defenseman contracts. For a while, it was the 8 by 9 ish. Like that McAvoy signed is now 5 by by 7.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

We saw it with Brandt Clark and then, boom, Nemec and now, boom, Minchikov. And I think that they just gave him that because they were like, there's. There's a similar guy. He's 22. And I think that we'll come back. Yeah, we'll come back to. But I. I lost my train of thought because you derailed me. What was I talking.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

This is the new league. Everyone gets off.

[Dan Powers]

This is the new league.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Thank you.

[Dan Powers]

I listen, offer sheets are clearly coming. So I'm telling you, like, I would be shocked if Maclin Celebrini doesn't get a contract offer in the next day. Yeah, like, if I'm Greer, I'm like this. Obviously it's a bit dramatic, but I'm like, I'm not even letting you sniff. Getting close to being rfa. Are you fucking crazy? And it's like. I mean, Leo, by fucking January, it was clear who Leo is. How do you not just give them a deal? It's like when you have a player that you believe in. And I, again, I know, I know agents, and I have a take on agents here, too. It behooves them to wait. Because if your players on a rocket ship, you're like, we're gonna wait till the last second because that's when their value is the highest. But, dude, if you just, like, keep offering, because it could go the other way, right? You go. He could fall off a cliff. He could get hurt. Make offers when you believe in a fucking player. So I just continue to come back to Verbeek. I can't fucking fathom that he has let this happen. I can't fathom that he let all these guys get here. No one was signed. And now you've got the situation where you've just overpaid Menshikov. For sure.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

For sure.

[Dan Powers]

He had 20 fucking points last year and zero points in 12 playoff games. I love the player, but he underperformed last year.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, he did.

[Dan Powers]

And you just get like, do a simple comparison look at Brandt Clark seasons versus Pavel Menshikov season. It's. You've. You've now overpaid him. And the reality is, if you look at the Ducks right now with the ducks paying Michikov 7.2 per year and on, we're putting Leo Carlson's 18 mil on their books.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

You now have 9.9 to sign Cutter Gautier, which is probably not enough.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, it's not even. Not even nearly enough.

[Dan Powers]

Well, I don't know if I believe. And frankly, in my opinion, before all this mayhem, I would have said a good number for Cutter was. Let's. What. What number. What year do you want? What term do you want? Six, seven.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I would have maxed him as much as possible.

[Dan Powers]

So let's say seven. I would have said, like, seven by nine.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Would have been a good number for him. But, like, I understand people were pushing and especially if you wanted to do the match, because you could say, but, like, Cutter had a better year than Leo, stats wise. He had fucking 40 tucks. Like. Yeah. So let's say it's like 7 by 11. I can't believe they are now in the situation where they have 9.9 to sign cutter and Seneca.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Like, this is a disaster.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Well, stuff will come off because you don't have to sign Seneca right now.

[Dan Powers]

Stuff will come off, yes.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

But, like, I don't know what I haven't looked.

[Dan Powers]

The way you thought about it was those guys. These were the important guys, and now you don't have enough to sign one of them.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, dude, you like. So it is a. At a point now where you have to lose somebody, and maybe that's like a Troy Terry. Like, maybe you're like, okay, fuck, we have to lose Troy Terry to keep Seneca.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

It is a absolute clusterfuck. And I don't know, man. I have a lot of things to say. The. The stuff about Macklin where it's like, oh, my God, sign him. I'm kind of. I'm kind of thinking, if you're a player, though, you should almost just keep refusing offers till you get to rfa. Because then, you know some team is going to come from the parking lot and then give you an offer, and then you can either go, I don't like that team. I don't want it, or you go, amazing. I'm going to sign this because I'll either go there or I set the bar. My new team has been lowballing me, which they always are. That's their job.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So then I just wait for another team to go, fuck you. I don't have to lowball them. And then I go, sick. Now you have to match. Suck it And I'm like, that's amazing.

[Dan Powers]

But herein lies the rub, right? Because as guys who say, get every penny you can, I mean, it was funny having this conversation. You and I have been having this conversation with two of our basketball buddies and they couldn't believe how low hockey players are played. Yeah, it's like they were like, that's a lot. And I was like, it's literally the highest paid anyone is in the league. And they were like, what? Like Austin Reeves just signed for that. No disrespect, Austin Reeves, you're the band. But like, you know, wait till you

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

hear about MLB contracts.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

So I understand guys want to get what they are worth, but I don't like that take. I wouldn't do that because, dude, you fuck the team. And I'm not even saying take a discount, but I am saying so many of these guys are going, I want to win. I want to go somewhere and win. I'm telling you right now, you can't win like this. If you want to be fucking paid the most in the league, great. Good for you. You ain't winning, dude. Like, it's. There's a hard cap and it is that tough situation where I can't sit here and go, I want guys to get paid as much as they can and then also say this. But I am saying that in terms of like, dude, get paid as much as you can within reason of what you want. If you want to be the highest paid player in the league, go do it. Yeah.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

But if you also want to win, you have to think about this.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

You can't take that much because, dude,

[Dan Powers]

here's the other thing. This is what's so funny. I've been loving watching Flyers fans loving the chaos of this. So many Flyers fans are like, yeah, the Ducks. This is awesome.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Dan Powers]

And I'm like, hell yeah, dude. Like, I love that take. Let's say you get this, guys, and Leo Carlson is all of a sudden on your books for 18 mil, you have 29.5 million in cap space. Bye bye. Like immediate bye bye that turns to 11 mil. Like that. So now you only have 11 mil. And just a news flash, folks, you have not signed Zegris. You have not signed Jamie Drysdale. Yep. And like, if you all. 10 million is not going to sign those two.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, correct.

[Dan Powers]

So fucking wake up. Like, and. And I'm just curious what people would say to that. Like, would Flyers fans, you know, try to flip the script and be like, doesn't matter. We're so happy. Because I'm like.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

If you.

[Dan Powers]

If you say that, I'm like, okay, but, like, Menshikov needs to be signed next year. I don't know how you feel about him. Porton needs Portone. Porto Marton needs to be signed in two years. Like, dude, it's not. This isn't a good number. Yeah, like, this hurts the Flyers. It also hur. The Ducks.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So, yeah, the numbers are crazy high. I think if he takes it.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Or.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Sorry, if the Ducks don't match, which I'll get into in a second. I think it would be really funny that now you know how every time Cutter touches the puck, Philly fans just boo so ruthlessly. Now you'll have this situation where it's the exact. Like, when they play whoever's home, they'll either be booing Cutter ruthlessly or booing Leo ruthlessly. Because the Ducks will be so mad about this. As they should be, by the way. Ducks fans. In my opinion, if I'm a Ducks fan, the fact that he even signed it in the first place, I have soured. Like, we have a lot of Ducks fan friends out here who've been like, if he leaves, I'll be in shambles. And I'm like, you should already be in shambles. The fact that he was like this, fuck you. I'm out. That's what he just said. So. I can't believe you still love Leo Carlson. If you're a Ducks fan who was like, he'll ride for us. Ducks fly together. And I'm like, ducks fly? Never, bro. He's gone. Or that's what he would prefer.

[Dan Powers]

It is like, I am genuinely. It goes back to why I can't believe he signed this. Because, I mean, the guy must have fucking balls of steel.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Because unless in these five years, unless you are a perennial MVP candidate and bring at least two Cups, I mean that. Yeah, in said five years, you are fucking public enemy number one in Philly, too. Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

They go, we also hate you. That's what I'm saying. Again, I hate you. And so does Philly.

[Dan Powers]

Also, I promise you, dude, wild fans who are the kindest, most docile fans in the world.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

They will turn on Krill in one more year.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

They kind of were in the playoffs.

[Dan Powers]

They absolutely were. So, like, if next year, Krill is not an MVP candidate, and if you guys don't go to at least the Western Conference final, he will be turned on.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

And rightfully so.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I actually agree, Dan, rightfully so. Because you should not be asking for that amount of money and they shouldn't have given it to you. I think that when Jaylen Brown and

[Dan Powers]

Jason Tatum take the two biggest contracts in the NBA in their respective contract signing year and they then win a championship, I was like, good job.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

Like you, you have to deliver. They delivered.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

We say this on the show all the time. Timing matters huge. When contracts are signed, it doesn't matter if you are better than me and you sign a contract for 8mil and then in two years the cap goes up and I have a good year and I sign for 10. I'm not saying, look, I'm better than Dan now.

[Dan Powers]

I'm just saying, like, it's silly when people go, is Leo Carlson better than Leon Draisaitl? And I'm like, it's. That is not how this works.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

In this case, you are signing a contract at the exact same time as Cutter Gaultier. I don't know if they're boys. We are pretty friendly with both of them separately. But I don't know. I don't intend to talk about their relationship, but I imagine there has been some conversation about, this is sick. We're building something here. You know what offers you getting? I don't know. I would think, right?

[Dan Powers]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And for Leo to do this, it's. I don't even know how if I'm cutter, I'm not trying to make this overly dramatic, but if I'm cutter, I'm like, dude, I now either have to. I can't be on this team anymore or you have to make double me. Which I think is embarrassing.

[Dan Powers]

When. When I was making all. I made a series of story responses to this in the immediate and I started to make. I think I even posted because I hadn't seen yet. I was talking to you and Marty about it. I was like, I don't know if you've signed it. And I posted, I was like, if he hasn't signed. And then a bunch of people are like, I think he has. And I found the articles. And I was like, oh, shit. And I took it down and was like, yeah, he hasn't signed so. Or he signed it so. Holy fuck. There was a period where I was like, this might look so cool for both Leo and Verbeek.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

If Leo goes like this, you. I'm not signing that.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Like there was a period where I was like, this is going to be such a swaggy moment of like the Ducks future when Leo's like, take your 18 mil and shove it up your ass. I'm not Signing that verbeek, give me 14 mil and let's get to work here. But then he was like this. No, I'm signing it.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And again, no judgment on him.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Agreed. That's what I mean.

[Dan Powers]

I stand by. I am very surprised he signed it. There is no judgment. I am just surprised that he signed it because this is. It puts a massive target on his back and it says a lot about what is important to him, frankly, which is fine. There's no disrespect. It's just surprising to me.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And yeah, so. And to continue that train of thought, he doesn't owe Cutter anything. Right. Whatever. We play on the same. We work together, basically. You know, we are co workers, dude. That is all. But yeah, I just don't know. That would bum me out. If I was Cutter, where I'd go, dude, okay, then I get it. And we don't ever have to talk about it again. But I get it 100% because that's the sentiment here.

[Dan Powers]

100%.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I think that the Ducks shouldn't match it, dude. And I'm ready to fucking die on this hill. I think Leo, you just said, I think he's the second best young center in the league. And that's correct. We're at the table. We're having steak and Swedish meatballs. It's insane to draft a player like that to get as lucky that you drafted a player like that. And by the way, credit to Verbeek and his staff, because that was the Fantilli two year, you know, And I was like, oh, my son is going second, obviously. And they took Leo and Adam is incredible, but Leo is like on this rocket ship trajectory. It is insane to draft a player like that and lose him right now. Absolutely gutting. Because you never get that chance. These Philly picks theoretically won't be that good. Your picks theoretically won't be that good because you're pretty good. So is Philly. There's no two falling in your lap again.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

However, I just think you can turn. If you are good at your job, you can turn four extra first rounders plus your first rounder. Plus. Plus, plus whatever. I don't know what their prospect pool is into a very good. I think you can pry someone very, very good loose at a number that keeps your team relevant versus what you will hamstring yourself with by keeping Leo Carlson.

[Dan Powers]

And I know that's tough to swallow. I could talk about this situation forever. And we're going to because this is like, this is such a fun topic in the moment. We tweeted out and I was talking about it and I felt very much. I was like, this is a damned if you do. Damned if you do.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, it's fucking lose.

[Dan Powers]

I was like, the Ducks are. No matter what, everything you just said, give me 50 first round picks. You pray to God that you find a player like Leo. And frankly this is such a, such an interesting situation because the Flyers just made the playoffs.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Normally you would see something like this from a team who is bottom dwelling a little bit, but they are a playoff team. So presumably these next four year picks, especially if they get Leo Carlson in this is going to be like a 16 or higher pick. So those picks suck. Doo doo butter. Yeah, they're not good picks. So in that regard I'm like, if you let him go and you save the money, I don't give a shit about those picks. We don't like picks at all.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

They suck.

[Dan Powers]

So I'm like, this is a nightmare, dude. And you have lost. You had a franchise player who's 21 years old and you lost him. Now if you match it, you're also fucked because now you can't pay your current players and your cap is absolutely deaded for the foreseeable future. So it is truly a like, we're smoked, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

No matter what I have come around to, I. I also think you don't match. I think you go, you look like a buffoon.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yes.

[Dan Powers]

And here's the thing, Pat Verbeek, you look like a buffoon. You have let this get to this point. You didn't sign this guy. You didn't sign. Cutter, you didn't sign. It's already bit you with Mitchikov. It's. Now you know, you're. This is brutal, but I think you just have to go. Dude, I know I said I would match any offer, but 18mil is a death sentence. Like Brier. Okay? You're. You're fucking the joker over here. But like you take it, dude. Yeah, take that fucking 18 mil for five years and see how it works.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And you be petty about in your speech, you go, good luck. I hope you guys win a cup in the next five years.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, yeah. Like I would.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Because.

[Dan Powers]

Because got news for you, dude. Even if you keep Leo Carlson and after five years he's signing, what do you think's going to happen to that number? It's going to turn into 25.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I said he's going to be 26. So like go give me a raise.

[Dan Powers]

Like, you're fucking dead, dude. Like, what are you Doing.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Can you imagine that?

[Dan Powers]

Smart.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

When he goes, they go, hey, do you want to sign a seven year for 15? And he's like a pay cut. What are you fucking nuts?

[Dan Powers]

I said this when Auston Matthews. What does Auston Matthews make? 13.25 something. I said this when Matthew signed that deal because Matthew signed a bridge deal. And I was like, dude, this is insane. And the Leafs are fucked because he's going to need a raise after that. And what's funny is if you look at Austin Matthews numbers for the last two years and you realize that after this season he's up for an extension, you would probably go, his number's probably something close to 3.13.25.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

But that's what he's making right now.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

So he goes, so like that's a rate. So like that's a scary one. So here's, here's where I get to on this. I do think you almost have to go take it, Philly. Like fucking good luck, boys. But then literally the only thing you do from now until October 1st is desperately try to make a trade for someone with. Because you now have have six first round picks between McTavish and Leo Carlson. Yep. But the thing that's fucked, dude. I've seen a lot of people going into the petty wars, which I really love, and them going, they should let Philly take it and they should turn around and they should offer sheet Bedard number one. In this podcaster's opinion, I think Leo Carlson is a better player than Connor Bedard, but that's neither here nor there in order to send because I'm pretty sure The Blackhawks have $300 million in cap space. Is like. Is how it seems like what the.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Correct. Like, I think Chicago has 29.3. Like they had a, you know, they frankly, they had less than the Ducks to start this. But any number Chicago is going to match. And it's the same situation if you sent offer sheet to Chicago for a palatable number, let's call it 14 mil. Yeah. Chicago goes easy. It's probably what we're going to pay him anyway. Yeah. So there's no point in that. And the only way you make this a question like this one is sending him something absurd. And it's like, well, why wouldn't you just pay Leo that number?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

So the idea is either you also send something absurd just to hamstring Chicago and then set a waterfall of hamstrings, in which case I'd be like, fucking

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Why not the mayhem of that. But from a business decision, it's not smart. It is not smart to go, here you go, Chicago, 18 mil for Bedard. Because either they go, we're matching it and you've done nothing and now you hamstring a team. Or they go, not matching that and now you're paying a player that you think is worse probably than the player you could have had. So it's just a gamble. It's a huge gamble. So my point is tons of people being like, they should do. They should like accept it, take the picks, turn around and offer sheet someone. Some people said Fantilli, Fantilli is an RFA star.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Just gonna say that would actually be nice.

[Dan Powers]

Sure. You could do that, in my opinion. You brought up Matthews and, and McDavid. Yep. You were like, you need to take those picks and you literally need to take all six first round picks and go like this. Hey, Edmonton, give me, give me him. Toronto, give me him. The, the thing that spooks me about that is those are both players who are up for a new contract immediately.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And now with Leo Carlson making 18 mil, they are probably going to go, I mean, okay, I would like 18 million from you.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

You.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And you're like me. So you need in my opinion, to trade one of the. Or trade any sort. Not all the picks obviously, but use what you have now and you've got to go get like a Rob Thomas who's under contract for six more years. You've got to go get a Larkin who has five years left. Like, you need to go get a guy who is under contract and is somehow on the block.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Because otherwise you just, you, you, you are, you're trying to cover up a bullet wound with a band aid by being like, oh yeah, like, isn't it great we got a new player? And I'm like, yeah, but now you're about to pay that player the same amount because this fucking set off a chain reaction in the league. That is insanity.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And that is all true. And I think you're right though. You just, you just overpay because, because I know the Ducks fans are going to, listening to this going, so you want me to take the fucking four first round picks and one of mine, swing them to Detroit for fucking larks and then go, okay, how old's Dylan?

[Dan Powers]

29.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So I get 29 year old Dylan Larkin under a great term, but I have 29 year old Dylan Larkin and I had Leo Carlson and you want me to be fucking happy about that? And I'm going, yes, because. And this is trust. If you keep Leo, you're dead. And we don't know we're right about that. But that's what we're trying to tell you. We're saying if you keep Leo, Cutter now hates him and the team and gets underpaid. Or you lose Cutter or you lose Troy, everything's falling apart, whatever. Or you are right back to what you were building before with maybe you gave up some potential energy because the potential of Leo, people agree, is higher than what Dylan Larkin is currently giving you. And I'm like, I think I'd roll the dice like that. When you watch the teams that win, I think I'd roll the dice with, let's get back to where all the excitement we had and it's a little bit different because instead of Leo, it's

[Dan Powers]

a lot a bit different, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Well, for sure, but I turned out to be a dick.

[Dan Powers]

I know, but like, let's be real, you know, like I. We love the Ducks, but we have to be real on this situation. This is. This is fucking brutal, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And you know what's fucked, man? Let's say they did take. Let's say they took all four of those picks, nothing else, and they went Philly, take them. All four of Philly's first round picks sending to Toronto for Auston Matthews straight up. Yeah. Even then I don't think fans are happy.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, you're right. But they should be.

[Dan Powers]

It's Auston Matthews. I don't think so, dude. Because ultimately you get two years of Auston Matthews and then you have to pay Auston Matthews Somewhere between 15 and 18 million dollars, I would suspect.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

And you're now paying a drastically older player, basically the same contract.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, I bet he takes like a 15.

[Dan Powers]

Okay, let's call it 15. But the point is, you could have had Leo for less than that if Pat just did his job.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep. No, the initial fuck up is a

[Dan Powers]

disaster, but it can't be ignored. There is no fixing this situation. Zero, zilch. There is no way that you can do any move that makes you go. We're actually right back in the same spot. You are worse off no matter what happens here. That's why this is an unforgivable fuck up. There is nothing you come up with any, even somewhat realistic solution. There is nothing that puts you in a good position. Nothing.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Okay, so all. I'll push back on. Because you're right in. No matter how you shake it out. I think you're upset not you, the Ducks fans. I think you go, fuck, dude. But I'm just thinking, in my opinion, this is just what. I think there's a version where you go, fuck you for letting it get here. But I'm really. I'm ready to move forward with this and we have a real shot. And that, what you just described, I don't know if the Leafs would ever do that. But if. If you literally went by Leo, boom, four first rounders and ours to Toronto for Matthews, Will you sign a 5? Will you sign a 15 extension for max? And he goes, yes. Then I go like this, dude, you know what it feels a lot like? It feels a lot like Carolina where they go like, rant. And it's like. Like fucking body blows. And then you're like, we got Stank back and are we okay? And everyone goes, we're a little bit worse, but I think we're okay. And then they won the fucking Cup. I think that scenario can exist with the Ducks. It'll take a lot of wheeling and dealing, but it can exist. Everything else, I think is fucked.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, I just. I don't know, dude. Like, I. Again, it's like, when you think about realistic players, Auston Matthews had 53 points in 60 games last year. That's not very different from 67 and 70. And Austin Matthews is seven years older than Leo. I know. I'm sure a lot of Leafs fans right now are going, are you saying that Leo Carlson's as good as Auston Matthews? And I'm like, yeah, maybe. Like I. Are you. Are people looking at Leo Carlson and not telling me that he is going like this? And that's saying, I don't know if there's some injury that we don't know about. Because I have seen some takes from hockey. People who are like, there is a world where Verbeek knows about an injury to him that no one else knows about. And they're like, we're not fucking paying you 14, dude. And then this happened and Philly's going to look so dumb.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, that would be a nightmare.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

That would be a nightmare. I would love that personally.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, wouldn't that be great?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That would be great.

[Dan Powers]

Now, I don't know if that's the case. Let's. Maybe it is, but let's say it's not. Then Leo Carlson is going like this. So I stand by it. Dude, there. There is literally no solution that puts them. And I liked your comparison to Carolina. I am not sure that I would say when they flipped Rantnen for Stank and everything they did and then got Ehlers. Like, I don't think I wasn't.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I just meant that the Ehlers was after. Like, that was a great time.

[Dan Powers]

Sure.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I just meant like the rant in

[Dan Powers]

the moment you were like, we are not as good as we were with Rantnen. But there was the knowledge that you had to pay Rantnan something big and you avoided that. And you got younger players, you got Guy under insane. Like, I mean, dude, they are way better right now than they were with Ran. That is not happening here. There is no solution here.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

And that is what scares me. It's like you have all these draft picks and we know people overvalue draft picks. But you, the thing that's so nuts, dude, you had all of these players that you could have paired with picks to make for.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Like Zellweger and like Mitchikov and like McTavish. And then you fucking traded all of them and then overpaid one of them. So I'm like, now you have nothing but draft picks, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

It's.

[Dan Powers]

If this fucking team just goes through the next four years and uses these picks every year in the first round, I'm going to lose my ball at like 23.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

With the 23rd pick. The duck takes. The Ducks take. Who gives a fuck?

[Dan Powers]

Like, congratulations. So it's just again, I don't know what to do. I honestly think you maybe. I think you call their bluff, which is not even a bluff, and go enjoy it, dude. And I. I am with you. I would be so petty. Yeah. I would go, I hope that was worth it.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I'd be petty to both of them. I'd go, we were having, I thought, very constructive talks. This is exactly what I would say. I thought we were having. I regret not getting this done with Leo sooner. Of course. Here's my press conference.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Dude.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, do it. You're Pat Fabrique. Yeah.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Tap the mic too.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I'm going to read a prepared statement and I will not be taking any questions. Fuck yourselves. I regret not.

[Dan Powers]

Is this the press conference? You're laughing when you said that.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yes. I regret not getting done with something. Leo Carlson sooner, which put us in this situation. And I will own up to that.

[Dan Powers]

Don't look at me. Look at the cameras.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

No, I'm too scared to look at the camera.

[Dan Powers]

Then you're a bitch. And now I know this press conference is trash. You're looking at your PR agent. Am I doing good? How's it going?

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

What? On like the reception? You're Too sweaty. You're too sweaty.

[Dan Powers]

The camera, you horse's ass.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I'd go like this. I would go. I thought we were having very constructive conversations. And it is sad for us to see here that the player values one thing, which is money and not winning a Stanley cup, and the culture we all thought we were building here. I also wish the best of luck to Philly trying to possibly build a competitive team surrounding an $18 million anchor against your salary cap for the next five years. And I will eat my fucking shorts if they do better than we do in the foreseeable future. So to the player, enjoy your millions. To the team, enjoy your playoff failures. We will continue building the culture around the people that want to be here and try to get this back on track. Good day.

[Dan Powers]

I love it.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And I think legitimately, that is what they think, or that's what I would think. If I'm them, I'd go, bye, dude, you don't wanna be here. Dude. How often do you say that? You're like, I don't want the player that doesn't wanna be here. I'm like, leo Carlson does not wanna be a Duck. This is what I meant to bring up earlier, brother Minshikov. If there's speculation, I don't know, maybe he got off. I think he was going to get offshooted. There is a direct quote in the reports that said Menshikov was told them, my intention is to stay a duck. So just match it now so we don't have to deal with it. He said that out loud. So I'm like, menshikoff wants to be a duck. Leo Carlson does not want to be a duck.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, I. It's so fucked. Because it's something that we don't think about. Like, people forget that the player needs to sign.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

Like, can one of you Google this and check me on this? But, like, when Montreal issued a offer sheet for Ajo, Ajo signed, that had to have. Correct. Because from what I've seen is people are saying it doesn't become public unless the player signs. So, like, it's kind of that, like, people forget, like, a ho signed that offer sheet from.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yes, he signed the offer sheet from the Canadians and then he did not join the Canadians because the Hurricanes exercised their right to match the five year $42 million.

[Dan Powers]

So, like, that's kind of up. And like, the way that Carolina fans are in love with him. And like, he made all those comments where he was like. It was like, it was always here. And I'm like, well, not really.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, you tried to go to Montreal.

[Dan Powers]

Like, you tried to leave.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, like dead ass, dude. You tried to go.

[Dan Powers]

So I agree, man. That's why I was saying, like, I can't believe he's. And that number is so cuckoo banana sandwich that I can't believe he signed it. And I understand it's money on the. It's the bird in hand, right?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

It's money on the table. And you are right. If these negotiations were going so poorly, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a world where he and his agent were like, fuck you, Verbeek.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yes.

[Dan Powers]

Look at this. Team wants to pay me 18 mil, I'm signing it. Suck me. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if that was some of the emotion that went in here. But at the same time, I'm like, when that number is that high, you kind of got to be like, oh, I'm making a fucking boatload here, no matter what. And it then does suck if, like, they don't. They don't tender you. They keep fucking around and then you go to arbitrary. Like, that would be a nightmare.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I gotta believe, though, you are. You can go like this. Obviously people can lie to you, but I gotta believe you could go, hey, I just got offer sheeted. Like, I assume this isn't illegal. I'm asking. I imagine you are allowed to call your team and go, hey, no way.

[Dan Powers]

That's illegal. And even if it is, there's no way it is. But even if it is, Hundo P. You go and you go like, philly just fucking sent me 18 million, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So this is what I mean. Let's say those numbers are all real.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Leo's been going 15, Verbik's going 12. Neither will Butch. How do you not go, hey, dude, they are about to offer sheet me. Or they just offer sheeting me 18 million. I will decline it if I have your fucking word. I can have 15. Otherwise I will rinse you. You know what I mean? Like, and then. And then he goes, no problem. But. And again, I know he can lie and then just go psych 12, but

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

like, maybe he just wants to move to Philly.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Dude, we didn't think about that. Actually. Newport shmooport, you know, he'd been talking

[Dan Powers]

to Zegrus, dude, Zegs. And he's like, this dude, seasonal depression is real. We need cold weather, you know? You know, I put it this way, man. I am, I am. I'm with you. When you sign something like that to me, it does say you don't care about the Ducks. And I'm like, okay, dude, fucking buy. And I am. If and when the Ducks don't match this salivating. I am salivating for Leo Carlson's press conference.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Same.

[Dan Powers]

What do you say to this?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Because, dude, dude, you do Leo's.

[Dan Powers]

And I will reject any PR Answers. Yeah. Any bullshit. Dude. Like, what I. What I love about Cutter is he stood on business.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

When Cutter fucking made this move, he was like, dude, there. It's. It's my life. It's my career. I knew where I wanted to be and where I didn't. So I did what was I thought was right and informed people of how I felt. And I. I saw something happen. Like, he did not give anybody answer, and if Philly fans want to hate him for that, that's fine. But if Leo is like, oh, well, you know, the negotiate. Blah, dude, that brother. And this is someone who loves you. Say, what fucking happened, dude, we need more of that. Like, it's not petty to just say the truth. The truth is never petty.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Truth will say you free.

[Dan Powers]

I think more people need to know that. Like, the truth is not petty. It's what happened. And if Cutter, or excuse me, if Leo goes, here's the deal. I was drafted second overall by this team. I've really liked it here, and I believe that I am the franchise player of this team for the future. And I wanted $14 million. That's what me and my agent went in and said. And Pat Verbeek would not even come close to that. And it was incredibly frustrating. And the last thing I was willing to do at 21 years old as a restricted free agent peaking in my career was go to fucking arbitration and have that bullshit looming over my head. So a team sent an offer sheet who clearly values me, and I fucking signed it. And if they don't want to match it, that's fine. I'm excited to take my talents to Philly. That's exactly what I would say if that's what happened. That's what you should say. Yeah. Do not do some about, like, oh, well, the money. We couldn't come to term. Give me a break, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Just like, yep, yep. Be real, dude. I want. I like teams hating each other, too. I want more of that.

[Dan Powers]

Oh, dude.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I mean, like, they're all friends now,

[Dan Powers]

and it's like, Verbeek and Brier will never do business with each other.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

This is awesome. Like, I want it to be like, the. I know they're not in division or anything, but still, it's like, Anytime Philly and the Ducks play now, it's going

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

to be like two guaranteed good games a year.

[Dan Powers]

Let's quickly hear from BetMGM Chris and then we will jump into some Jason Robertson stuff.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

The World cup has been absolute numbies from start to finish. I've been to two games.

[Dan Powers]

Two games.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

A lot of people saying I don't deserve it, but I do deserve it because it's so fun. And if you want this to. You want to make this tournament one to remember, you need to use BetMGM's 2up early payout. It is incredible. It has been my favorite bet all tournament. I've been clean it up and I want you to clean up too. Just place a pre game match result bet on any World cup game. Literally all you have to do is say, I think this team is going to win this World cup game. And if at any point during that game they go up by two goals, you win. Done. It doesn't matter if you get these stoppage time goals, which I'm seeing every day. Every day I need something, there's a stoppage time thing that wrecks it for me. This does not matter for you. If they go up two goals, boom. It's just like you've won your bet. It's over, done, finished. It's money and you will get that money. It's awesome. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM, do that now and use code netters. That's N E T T E R S. When you sign up and you get a $1,500 new player offer, how much more can they give you? This is getting ridiculous. BetMGM. Make it legendary.

[Dan Powers]

All right. We really talked that one to the filter.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

It was worth it.

[Dan Powers]

It was worth it and it needed to happen. One of the other huge ones. You know what, let's finish with Robo and just quickly say the Simone Nemech deal because I just wanted to bring up this one specific thing. Nemet signs in Calgary after that trade. 5 years, 7.25 mil AAV. I wanted to bring this up only because. Good job Calgary getting that done.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

This is the new era. Yeah, we're seeing it with Clarkey's deal with Michikov's deal, Nemec Steel and on top of that, the Leo Carlson offer sheet. I am all of these guys, dude. Gone in my opinion is the day of people regularly signing seven eight year deals. Because it is so exciting to think like Leo, dude, Leo Carlson is going to make more money than anyone in the NHL. Yeah, because he is going to sign this five year deal, make fucking 90 mil and then when he's 26, be up for a new deal.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Insane.

[Dan Powers]

And like, then you sign a seven year deal, which is crazy because that'll be till he's like fucking 33, 34. Sign another one. Yeah, but it's like I do think all these guys who at like 21 used to sign these seven eight year deals, they're all going to, to sign five now.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah. And it's actually, it's smart. It's smart. I don't know why teams do like, I mean, maybe their camp is refusing. Like, maybe these players are like, I will not sign more than five. But I'm like, in my experience, players devour term. And I think these teams are dumb. Like, I'm like, sign them for seven, dude. You need to minimize the amount of contract. And again, I want the players to

[Dan Powers]

get paid similar to like the draft pick consistency. Wouldn't you agree that most. I don't know what category we're putting large contracts in, but wouldn't you agree that most of them, by the time they're up, people are like, nice, not, not like, oh shit, now we gotta pay him even more. Yeah, I'd say it's less frequent.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

It's hard. It's hard for me to think about contracts ever being like this. Man, that was a steal.

[Dan Powers]

It's like maybe like 50% at most.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

So I'm like, I think it behooves teams to do five.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, okay, fine. You get out of it early. Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

Either, you know, they are awesome.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I guess these numbers are so palatable to me. Like these ones, I'm like, for sure. Like Leo. Yes.

[Dan Powers]

I don't want to sign. Leo is not a good ex. Is such an insane outlier. But like, I think it's just like it's good for, good for the goo.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Like Clarky. I'm like, if you could get Clarky for 15 years at 7, I'd be like, yo, yeah, done.

[Dan Powers]

Amazing.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So I'm like, dude.

[Dan Powers]

So congrats to Namek. That's an awesome deal. Okay, let's get into Jason Robertson. This. Can I be honest?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I'm tired of this dude. Jason Roberts. This is, this is Netters.

[Dan Powers]

I'm sick of this. I'm so tired of this year.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

This is Netter's crossover. I don't know. There's. There's people out here that are going to get this. This is my Anaya Casey.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I am so over Jason Robertson. Jason Robertson. And The Dallas Stars are Anaya and Casey. And I'm. I'm so done with all of them.

[Dan Powers]

I want to give. I want to shout out. Our boy Robbie Gucci. Have you seen any of these? No heat, daddy. Shout out home by three. But Rob has been like, daily. He's been tweeting shit like, I gotta find it. But he's basically tweeting like, so here's my understanding of the Jason Robertson situation. Either Jason Robertson and the Dallas Stars can come to an agreement and he will sign there and continue to be a Dallas Star player, or he, as an rfa, might get traded and then he might play for another team. But if he does sign a contract with Dallas, he will remain in Dallas. And there's a chance, however, that if he gets traded, he will be playing for another team.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And he's just making fun of every knobhead journo who is daily being like, as it stands with Jason Robertson, I'm like, you don't know fuck all, dude. Everyone shut up. Like, I don't want to. I don't want to see Jason Robertson name on my timeline unless a deal of some sort.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, listen. Says year X money.

[Dan Powers]

Yes. I am so tired of this. And frankly, I'm also tired of it from him and from. Or let's call it his camp.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And from the stars. Like, you guys, this is so fucking pathetic when this shit happens. It's like, either come to an agreement or don't, dude. Like, move the fuck off.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

I think they lost him. Team was on a company trip, he got stranded. They don't know where he is, so they're just stalling. Like, he's out in the desert somewhere. We were doing a trip and we don't know where he is.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

We know where he. We know where he is. He will be right there. Give me one second. Dan, I have a take for you. I meant to bring this up earlier. I wish you brought this up when you were like, they ruined fourth of July. And this always happens because the way the NHL season works, you got to finish the fucking season, which goes so goddamn long, and we're adding games, and then we got to get these guys free agency started. But then it fucks up the fourth of July.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

The.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I actually wish that free agency. You know, in soccer there's a transfer window. Yeah, I wish free agency was like, it's open July 1 and closes at midnight on July 3. So it was like. It's like, get it done, dude. You fucking idiots. Like, oh, we're hemming and hawing. With Robo still, I'm like, okay, well then he can't play next year for anyone if he has unsigned by January 3rd.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And then they call us and they go, like, we get a call at 11:58 and go, do you want to play right wing for the Stars? Because we're fucked. And I go, I'll be right there

[Dan Powers]

because I would love that. And do the stock market.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Just get it done, dude. Like all this bullshit. It's like the Malcolm Gladwell thing. Your first instinct was the right instinct the whole time, you know, like, fucking pick your number. What do you want? Sit down at the table and go get it done. Hammer it out. Boom. And if you don't, Robo won't sign. Then you go, okay, see, I got to call somebody else. We don't have time for this. Yep.

[Dan Powers]

So Jason Robertson is going to be going to head to arbitration, which any player will tell you fucking sucks. This means that he cannot be offer sheeted unless it comes before the hearing. Which is interesting because I believe the hearing is set to go between July 20 and August 1.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

So he has a shitload of time to get off.

[Dan Powers]

He has so much time to get offer sheeted. So team should still do that. The reports are that RoboBo roughly wants 14 mil. The stars are okay with 12.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Blah, blah.

[Dan Powers]

It's the same we've been hearing all summer long. And dude, it's. It's like a lover scorn. Like, listen, if he wanted to marry you, he would marry you. Yeah, and I'm sorry, dude, they have 9.7 in cap space. They've got. I mean like Nate, Bastian, Michael, Bunting, Adam, Bernie, all are UFA. I don't know what their deal is going to be, but there's clear that they. It's clear that they have shit that they need to do. But I'm sorry, dude, if you wanted Jason Robinson, you would get him. And nothing has changed. There is a part of me that's. If I were them, I would understand. I'd be a little annoyed with him in that. Like, rantin's at 12. Just sign 12.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Especially because you said this. Once they chose, once they extended Rantin, that was their choice. I was basically going, we are choosing Rannon over you. If you want to stay, then you are certainly coming in at most equal to ran it, if not fucking less. And if you want more than that, good day. We made our choice.

[Dan Powers]

Like, it's also in Texas, brother. Take that 12 fucking million dollars. And yeah, if I were. If I were Dallas I'd be a little frustrated with him, and I'd be like, fuck off, dude. Like, you're traded.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

So, yeah, I suppose my message to Dallas is like, are you fucking seriously taking this guy to arbitration, dude, Man.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And that sucks, because everyone's like.

[Dan Powers]

Because also he's UFA now.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And I'm like, do you think after all, I mean, it's. It is one thing that has become, in my opinion, clear is that he is so desperate to stay in Dallas.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And that's weird, too, though, because I'm like, are you. If you are to your point, take the 12 and be happy. What are you going to get 14 from Montreal?

[Dan Powers]

That's what I'm saying.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Okay. You just got less money. If you want to be in Dallas, take the fucking deal.

[Dan Powers]

It is preposterous to me that this has continued to go on and we're adding to where for part of the problem, I. Dude, we're talking about.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I actually, this is now, dude, my eyes are opening right now. I'm just realizing the key to everything, the key to the entire NHL off season, was Love Island. They. They are Melanie and sincere. They're addicted to each other, but they're actually not right for each other. But the problem is us, everyone in the world going like this.

[Dan Powers]

Make it work.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

You can do it. I support you guys. We love you. And it's like, dude, no.

[Dan Powers]

That's why I'm saying, move on.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

No, no, break up if I'm down, break up.

[Dan Powers]

I'm like, move on. Dude, fucking trade the guy. Because here's the thing, he has no protection. Dude. Dude. So fucking trade him wherever the fuck you want and get something back for him. Because I'm. I'm. I'm sick of this. I'm sick of hearing all the. About him. I'm sick of hearing, like, he's this, he's that, he's. Whatever. Because it's. And frankly, if all that stuff is true and you're Dallas and you believe it, why haven't you traded him? Why are you going to arbitration? Yep. So I think this is super annoying. I want it to end. I'm done.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Dude, would you think. You know how sometimes hockey teams have done this? College hockey teams on this frats have done this. There's all these hazing events, and then there's always that one event where it goes, you know, show up with a spoon and, like, clothes you're not ready to that you can ruin, and like, six. And everyone's like, oh, God. And then it's like surprise ice cream Sunday night, you know, and it's like actually a fun one. It's like the hockey. You're gonna run three miles and it's like, actually, we're playing flip cup all day. Let's fucking go. And you're like, yes. I actually think it would be sick if the stars were like arbitration and Robertson was like, christ, here we go. I get to go sit down while they tell me all the reasons I suck. And they're like. And they see like fancy lawyers come in and he's ready to fight. And they just go, seven by 14.

[Dan Powers]

And he goes, oh, I mean, hell yeah. That's possible because, like, Robo files for arbitration.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

There is a chance that this happens and maybe this is like Robo's final bluff.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I don't know.

[Dan Powers]

But I'm just.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I think it's surprise ice cream Sunday day and he's gonna get all his money.

[Dan Powers]

Okay.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I like it and I'm happy for him.

[Dan Powers]

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[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Dude, I.

[Dan Powers]

That's got to be one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I hadn't seen it you texted? And I was like, what happened? And I read the article and I was like, no way. Then I saw them kind of all pig piling, and I assumed there was just a rogue body weight situation. Then I finally found a tweet of the video of it happening. First of all, brutal break. It looks terrible.

[Dan Powers]

He, like, really broke his arm.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Powers]

And it's so funny because. Sorry, it's not funny. It's so weird because it's not. I mean, he himself, he's an elite, elite athlete. He was one at every single level. And he will be the first to laugh about being like, the fact that I broke my arm doing that is so embarrassing. But when you watch it, his left hand just completely slips off that clearly wet, bad barrier and then just like lands right on it. And it just fucking did. But that is. I mean, the guy was kind of a vibes pick for this World cup squad. And when you've got players like Phil Foden and Cole Palmer and like, this who are being left home because Jordan Henderson needs to be in that locker room and he fucking shatters his arm jumping over an advertisement. It is so brutal.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Here's a question. They don't. You don't fill that spot, right? No, no, no. So my question is, they go, he's out the rest of the World cup fine. He probably wasn't playing.

[Dan Powers]

He has not played a single second.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That's what I'm saying. He probably wasn't going to play ever. Anyway. So now he's somehow even more of a glue guy to me. Like, oh, he's in the locker room. Like, he's like, I broke my arm.

[Dan Powers]

He's gonna be in a full hard cast. Oh, yeah, that is. That was probably screws. That was probably a compression fracture.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Like, that was so bad that screws. So, yeah, somehow he. He is. He's an even more of a locker room guy now that he's jacked up on morphine with Frankenstein arms.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I'm like, that's the guy I'm bringing to the World cup, dude.

[Dan Powers]

And I just like, I'm. I mean, if I'm Brentford too, I'm like, dude, Jordo.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

What are you doing? Like, did you just break your arm? It's like he. When Jordan Henderson goes. And you're Brentford, you're like this. Well, nice. We don't have to worry about him getting injured.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And then he's like, I did.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I did actually shatter my arm.

[Dan Powers]

I did break my arm.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I'm retiring so bad.

[Dan Powers]

All right, Ev, Close us on out here with a nice beer league hotline.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Okay. I was the goalie on the same beer league team for seven years. We won the title three times and went to the final six times. I've been playing with the captain since we were seven years old. Last season we lost three, two in the semis. And the next day my friend cut me. He said I wasn't focused. Excuse me? He said I wasn't focused enough because I messaged our team chat at 4pm before a 10pm game, asking who was on beer that night. Apparently that meant I wasn't locked in. This season, they are currently winless and had to forfeit three games because they didn't have a goalie. What is going on here?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

They hate you. I think.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

I think.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I think they don't like you. Is that correct?

[Dan Powers]

You know, every now and then when people see things, some blanket statements about friend groups and it's like, oh, every friend group has the donkey.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

No one really digs. And you go like this. My friend group doesn't have that bad news, pal.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

What?

[Dan Powers]

Should start eating hay because you are the donkey. This is this guy's moment of realizing that he is the worst luck locker room vibe on planet Earth.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

It's the rounders line. If you haven't seen rounders, go see it. If in the first 10 minutes you can't spot the sucker at the table, you're the sucker. You are the sucker, pal. But. But Dan, he's been playing with this guy since they were seven. Christopher. They're clearly buddies. Christopher.

[Dan Powers]

Well, that doesn't mean anything. It might just mean that you're from the same town. Maybe this guy, this goalie has been lingering around this captain for 20 years. Now, I don't want to assume all this, but I am saying, do you have any idea how drastic a situation needs to be to cut attendee?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, I mean, you need. Especially with that one waiting in the wings.

[Dan Powers]

You need to be in hell to be like, I am actively cutting attendee who's taken us to the semifinals. 6. How long did he say he's been playing here?

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

So, yeah, they've been playing on the same team for seven years and they've

[Dan Powers]

gone to the finals. They won the title.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

They won the title three times and went to the final six times. And it feels like he's a good player.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And it feels like this semifinal loss is the one year like they just lost in the 70s.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Three, two. So I'm like, he didn't even get lit up. It's not like they lost eight nothing in the semis. They lost three two in a beer league game. That's like three goals a D is a great.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

I thought three, two might have been the games.

[Dan Powers]

No.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Oh, I bet it was just the game.

[Dan Powers]

You're not doing.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

You're not doing seven game series or five game series in beer league.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That would be guests.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Oh, you're not.

[Dan Powers]

No, no, no, no.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That would be guests. Our league used to do best of three in the final, but they don't do it.

[Dan Powers]

I was gonna say, man, I regret to inform you that you are.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

You are.

[Dan Powers]

You are despised on this team. This group of guys hate you.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

What do you do here? Like, is there any avenue to go, boys? You don't even have a goalie. What are you talking about?

[Dan Powers]

Well, yeah, I mean, do you assume that he's on a new team? I imagine.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

No, it felt. Reading that felt like he is not. He would have. I feel like he would have said, by the way, I'm. I'm undefeated on my other team.

[Dan Powers]

It felt like an odd omission to not say, and I'm now on another

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

team because goalie is kind of hard just to be like, anyone need a goalie? Because everyone's like, no, but I mean, especially not you.

[Dan Powers]

Like, no. No offense to our tendee, who's one of our dear friends, but if like the team that won the ships or went to the ship six years in a row, their goalie was all of a sudden a free agent, I'd at least be like, hey, pal, you're doing a tandem with this guy.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. So. So why hasn't the other teams in the league called?

[Dan Powers]

Because we don't.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

We don't know that.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, we're not going to focus on that because I. I assume he's on another team.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Okay. Okay.

[Dan Powers]

And frankly, it fits his personality because he. He's not being personal about this. Like, he's. He's genuinely being like, what's going on? I think a petty person would be like, and I'm on a new team and I'm doing this. Well, like, I think this guy's like an. Yeah, I mean, like, I just want to know what happened.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Dude, I'm pretty sure, too. Let me see if I can find this submission.

[Dan Powers]

I can't fathom how shitty this dude must be in the locker room.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Okay, so this was also in the submission. Oh, he.

[Dan Powers]

You're omitting things from us.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

They're so long. He also. He brought the beer that night. So after going, anyone on beer? No one answers. He goes, I'll do it. Brings the beer himself. And then they go, you've been cut for asking who was on beer six hours before the fuck John.

[Dan Powers]

Chris. Chris.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Like, what a guy. He's actually the mayor, I think.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah, I agree with you, Chris.

[Dan Powers]

They fucking hate this dude. He asked, who's on beer? And they all ignored him.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Maybe. Maybe they said, you. Maybe they said, you're on beer. All I know is he brought the beer. They either ignored him and he took it upon himself, or they went like this.

[Dan Powers]

You're an unreliable narrator right here. Cause you just said they ignored. Ignored him. And then he brought be like, what does the message say?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

I just told you. He said, I brought the beer.

[Dan Powers]

Okay, well, so then we're going to assume that he was ignored, because otherwise, why would you bring beer?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

If you say maybe the answer went like this, you are on beer.

[Dan Powers]

Okay, so either way, they hate him.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Dan Powers]

Either they ignored him. Like, they're willing to let beer not be brought because they're like, no one responded to this guy. Or they just immediately went like this. You bring beer. He loser.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

And also for asking, you're cut. You're fired.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah, they hate this guy.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

How do you fix it? How do you become cooler?

[Dan Powers]

I mean, we have to find the root problem.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

We come up with jokes. We send it. We'll find a link of jokes.

[Dan Powers]

Actually, dude, I. I can't even. My mind's in a pretzel. Because goalies inherently. Sorry, Sway. Because you are the anomaly. Are weird.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

If you are a good goaltender, I do not care how weird you are. So this dude must be truly horrendous

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

to be around, but he isn't. Oh, oh, to be around. Yeah. I thought you meant at goal. I was like, he isn't to be around.

[Dan Powers]

Otherwise, this is insane. Oh, behavior. And I. Here is another one where I'm going to say if this story sounds familiar to your team, I need follow up. I need players on this team to follow up instantly and tell us what is going on. Yeah, like, did this goaltender fuck this guy's wife?

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah.

[Dan Powers]

And this is a personal issue.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Like, to me, it's either you're right and this goalie has a shit personality, in which case, I'm sorry. Yeah, but also, it could just be that this captain is kind of a fucking dick. I mean, maybe he's spiteful because they lost in the semis and just automatically, you know, turned on.

[Dan Powers]

Yeah. I thought about that. But if you care that much about winner, wins or losses, I think you would be smart enough to know that debting your goalie is not the move.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Especially now that they have no goalie on three games you don't have one, which is strange. So. Yeah, I don't know.

[Dan Powers]

But you're right. And we've gone too long without addressing this could be a personal grudge.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

[Dan Powers]

So you ask what is going on here? My answer is either, buddy, you're a brutal hang and that sucks and I'm sorry. And we hit us up. We can work on it.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

And also teammates hit us up and confirm or deny that.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

Yep.

[Dan Powers]

Or this is a personal grudge because I promise you this is not above board. You were not cut for a lack of attention or focus. That is not what happened.

[Guest or third co-host (possibly Ev)]

Yeah, that's excuse.

[Co-host (possibly Evan or another regular co-host)]

That's that. That's that. And look inside because if you. If there's a skeleton in your closet with you and this guy, then you got to figure this out and fix it.

[Dan Powers]

Correct. All right, that is it for this episode of the Empty Nerds podcast. Guys, like the video, like the video. Like the video. To quote locks, subscribe, please share the page around. And we got some great new merch. We've got unbelievable hoodies that we just dropped. We got hats coming out very soon this week. The hats are here, which is amazing. So please check all that stuff out. Please enjoy all that stuff. Also 5pm special back this week where we try some of the craziest pregame meals and cheat meals of players, personalities, whomever. It's super fun stuff, so make sure to check that out. And that's a reason to subscribe. And we've got a great new episode for you later this week. We're going to be touching on World cup stuff, doing our new fun series of people really liked Fraud Watch and Time Hits. So Fraud Watch top hits going on all summer. We can't wait to see you then. Until we do skate hard.